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Dear learned members,

 

The following I learnt from a learned astrologer sometimes back.

 

" unless the lagna lord has benefic aspects, it may mean that the

native is born outside matrimony...........

Generally speaking, the lagna should have the aspect of either

Jupiter, Sun, 9th lord or the lagna lord, OR the lagna lord should

be aspected by benefics, 9th lord, Jupiter, or Sun for normal

horoscopes. It is a tricky rule which should be carefully applied. "

 

I would like if anyone could expand his views on the above, with

examples. How far is this statement valid?

 

Thanks..

 

blessings

 

Renu

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Dear Renu ji, This is a very sensitive and controvertial subject to handle over internet. The question is how do we source the examples? Do we have clearly established cases of illegitimate children and their known birth details? I can't think of any. But, if we get such a chart, it would intersting to verify the quoted shloka. I am trying to understand the dictum. It talks about three specific planets - 9th lord, Jupiter and Sun. 9th lord stands for dharma. Jupiter and Sun are co-karaka's of the 9th house that represents dharma. Sun is also a karaka for father - could represent 'legitimate father' in this context. Hence, the native (lagna/ lagna lord) should have the blessings of dharma or the blessings of the 'legitimate father' to have a legitimate birth. This is my crude understanding. Others could probably put it in a better way. Regards, Krishna Regards, Krishnarenunw <renunw wrote: Dear learned members,The following I learnt from a learned astrologer sometimes back. "unless the lagna lord has benefic aspects, it may mean that the native is born outside matrimony...........Generally speaking, the lagna should have the aspect of either Jupiter, Sun, 9th lord or the lagna lord, OR the lagna lord should be aspected by benefics, 9th lord,

Jupiter, or Sun for normal horoscopes. It is a tricky rule which should be carefully applied."I would like if anyone could expand his views on the above, with examples. How far is this statement valid?Thanks..blessingsRenu

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Dear Renu ji, Determining a child born outside matrimony is not that easy, and not much important. There are numerous bhanga yogas for such combinations. And the plane fact remains that the combination mentioned by the said astrologer is NOT a combination to determine 'a child born outside matrimony' - he seems to be plane ignorant about the presence of numerous bhanga yogas related to the same; No truly learned astrologer will make such assertions. But then, there is another point, his assertion is important in another context - what he wants to tell or indicate is that - "Beneficial aspect for the lagna or lagna lord is very very important for the fruitful growth of the life of the child. The beneficial aspects to lagna lord saves him like the parents of the native (put a bit poetically)". In a teaching context the said astrologers statement is valid because he is trying to put across a point stressing its importance; but in the context of 'determining the child born outside matrimony' his statement is simply bogus, ignorant and stupid. I know that several old astrologers are of the similar mould - and listened properly in proper context the messages they pass on is important; but in the out of context direct meaning, usually useless and irrelevant. The point is usually they didn't mean what they say - but instead are trying to drive home a point. In this case "the importance of benefic aspects to lagna or lagna lord". Love and regards,Sreenadh , "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear learned members,> > The following I learnt from a learned astrologer sometimes back. > > "unless the lagna lord has benefic aspects, it may mean that the > native is born outside matrimony...........> Generally speaking, the lagna should have the aspect of either > Jupiter, Sun, 9th lord or the lagna lord, OR the lagna lord should > be aspected by benefics, 9th lord, Jupiter, or Sun for normal > horoscopes. It is a tricky rule which should be carefully applied."> > I would like if anyone could expand his views on the above, with > examples. How far is this statement valid?> > Thanks..> > blessings> > Renu>

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Dear Krishna ji,

 

I must tell you that as far as I am concerned any child is a child,

whether legitimate or illegitimate. The rule I mentioned in my

earlier mail was a reply to a querie posted by me to a well known

astrologer in VA forum, sometimes back. What I wanted to know was

the result of unaspected lagna in a horoscope. Well, that was the

answer I got.

 

Anyway if you need an example chart I will provide one of an adopted

child, who had been left by the mother in the hospital, soon after

the birth. The mother would have left the child since she would not

have wanted anyone to know that she gave birth to a baby. Hence I

suppose the following chart could be taken as an example. It

satisfies the conditions laid down but I don't know how far the

rules are valid. Besides one example would not lead us anywhere. But

if you are interested...go on and test the following horoscope.

 

August 9, 1993 @ 7.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

 

, Krishnamurthy

Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji,

>

> This is a very sensitive and controvertial subject to handle

over internet. The question is how do we source the examples? Do we

have clearly established cases of illegitimate children and their

known birth details? I can't think of any. But, if we get such a

chart, it would intersting to verify the quoted shloka.

>

> I am trying to understand the dictum. It talks about three

specific planets - 9th lord, Jupiter and Sun. 9th lord stands for

dharma. Jupiter and Sun are co-karaka's of the 9th house that

represents dharma. Sun is also a karaka for father - could

represent 'legitimate father' in this context. Hence, the native

(lagna/ lagna lord) should have the blessings of dharma or the

blessings of the 'legitimate father' to have a legitimate birth.

This is my crude understanding. Others could probably put it in a

better way.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> renunw <renunw wrote:

> Dear learned members,

>

> The following I learnt from a learned astrologer sometimes back.

>

> " unless the lagna lord has benefic aspects, it may mean that the

> native is born outside matrimony...........

> Generally speaking, the lagna should have the aspect of either

> Jupiter, Sun, 9th lord or the lagna lord, OR the lagna lord should

> be aspected by benefics, 9th lord, Jupiter, or Sun for normal

> horoscopes. It is a tricky rule which should be carefully applied. "

>

> I would like if anyone could expand his views on the above, with

> examples. How far is this statement valid?

>

> Thanks..

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

 

> Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

>

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

"Determining a child born outside matrimony is................... not much important. "

I totally agree with it. But as I have mentioned to Krishna ji, it was an answer I got to a question as to the significance of an unaspected lagna.

"Beneficial aspect for the lagna or lagna lord is very very important for the fruitful growth of the life of the child. The beneficial aspects to lagna lord saves him like the parents of the native (put a bit poetically)".

I take this as a better and proper explanation to my question regarding unaspected lagna.

blessings

Renu

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Renu ji,> Determining a child born outside matrimony is not that easy, and not> much important. There are numerous bhanga yogas for such combinations.> And the plane fact remains that the combination mentioned by the said> astrologer is NOT a combination to determine 'a child born outside> matrimony' - he seems to be plane ignorant about the presence of> numerous bhanga yogas related to the same; No truly learned astrologer> will make such assertions. But then, there is another point, his> assertion is important in another context - what he wants to tell or> indicate is that - "Beneficial aspect for the lagna or lagna lord is> very very important for the fruitful growth of the life of the child.> The beneficial aspects to lagna lord saves him like the parents of the> native (put a bit poetically)". In a teaching context the said> astrologers statement is valid because he is trying to put across a> point stressing its importance; but in the context of 'determining the> child born outside matrimony' his statement is simply bogus, ignorant> and stupid. I know that several old astrologers are of the similar> mould - and listened properly in proper context the messages they pass> on is important; but in the out of context direct meaning, usually> useless and irrelevant. The point is usually they didn't mean what they> say - but instead are trying to drive home a point. In this case "the> importance of benefic aspects to lagna or lagna lord".> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> > Dear learned members,> >> > The following I learnt from a learned astrologer sometimes back.> >> > "unless the lagna lord has benefic aspects, it may mean that the> > native is born outside matrimony...........> > Generally speaking, the lagna should have the aspect of either> > Jupiter, Sun, 9th lord or the lagna lord, OR the lagna lord should> > be aspected by benefics, 9th lord, Jupiter, or Sun for normal> > horoscopes. It is a tricky rule which should be carefully applied."> >> > I would like if anyone could expand his views on the above, with> > examples. How far is this statement valid?> >> > Thanks..> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >>

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Dear Renu ji, Thanks for sharing the chart. Though I am not keen on searching more charts of this type, it was amazing to see the applicability of the dictum in toto for his particular chart! I tried to find some link of Sun/Jup/9th lord somehow, but failed! Regards, Krishna renunw <renunw wrote: Dear Krishna ji,I must tell you that as far as I am concerned any child is a child, whether legitimate or

illegitimate. The rule I mentioned in my earlier mail was a reply to a querie posted by me to a well known astrologer in VA forum, sometimes back. What I wanted to know was the result of unaspected lagna in a horoscope. Well, that was the answer I got.Anyway if you need an example chart I will provide one of an adopted child, who had been left by the mother in the hospital, soon after the birth. The mother would have left the child since she would not have wanted anyone to know that she gave birth to a baby. Hence I suppose the following chart could be taken as an example. It satisfies the conditions laid down but I don't know how far the rules are valid. Besides one example would not lead us anywhere. But if you are interested...go on and test the following horoscope.August 9, 1993 @ 7.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.blessingsRenu , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:>> Dear Renu ji,> > This is a very sensitive and controvertial subject to handle over internet. The question is how do we source the examples? Do we have clearly established cases of illegitimate children and their known birth details? I can't think of any. But, if we get such a chart, it would intersting to verify the quoted shloka.> > I am trying to understand the dictum. It talks about three specific planets - 9th lord, Jupiter and Sun. 9th lord stands for dharma. Jupiter and Sun are co-karaka's of the 9th house that represents dharma. Sun is also a karaka for father - could represent 'legitimate father' in this context. Hence, the native (lagna/ lagna lord) should have the blessings of dharma or the blessings

of the 'legitimate father' to have a legitimate birth. This is my crude understanding. Others could probably put it in a better way.> > Regards,> Krishna> > > Regards,> Krishna> > renunw <renunw wrote:> Dear learned members,> > The following I learnt from a learned astrologer sometimes back. > > "unless the lagna lord has benefic aspects, it may mean that the > native is born outside matrimony...........> Generally speaking, the lagna should have the aspect of either > Jupiter, Sun, 9th lord or the lagna lord, OR the lagna lord should > be aspected by benefics, 9th lord, Jupiter, or Sun for normal > horoscopes. It is a tricky rule which should be carefully applied."> > I would like if anyone could expand his views on the above, with > examples. How far is this statement valid?> >

Thanks..> > blessings> > Renu> > > > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.>

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Dear Krishna ji,

 

" amazing to see the applicability of the dictum in toto for his

particular chart! "

 

I agree. Yet another point in this chart...the girl's adopted father

got a stroke in March 17, 2000 and has been an ivalid ever since

then. For your information....Sri K. N. Rao's famous double transit

thoery of Jupiter + Saturn is applicable to 9H representing father

of this girl at that particular time!

 

Then again her adopted mother underwent a major operation lasting

eleven hours in the theatre, the consequences of which, the poor

lady still suffers. This occurred in December 2002, when Jupiter +

Saturn double trasit affected her 4H representing mother!

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Krishnamurthy

Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji,

>

> Thanks for sharing the chart. Though I am not keen on searching

more charts of this type, it was amazing to see the applicability of

the dictum in toto for his particular chart!

>

> I tried to find some link of Sun/Jup/9th lord somehow, but

failed!

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> renunw <renunw wrote:

> Dear Krishna ji,

>

> I must tell you that as far as I am concerned any child is a

child,

> whether legitimate or illegitimate. The rule I mentioned in my

> earlier mail was a reply to a querie posted by me to a well known

> astrologer in VA forum, sometimes back. What I wanted to know was

> the result of unaspected lagna in a horoscope. Well, that was the

> answer I got.

>

> Anyway if you need an example chart I will provide one of an

adopted

> child, who had been left by the mother in the hospital, soon after

> the birth. The mother would have left the child since she would

not

> have wanted anyone to know that she gave birth to a baby. Hence I

> suppose the following chart could be taken as an example. It

> satisfies the conditions laid down but I don't know how far the

> rules are valid. Besides one example would not lead us anywhere.

But

> if you are interested...go on and test the following horoscope.

>

> August 9, 1993 @ 7.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

> , Krishnamurthy

> Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renu ji,

> >

> > This is a very sensitive and controvertial subject to handle

> over internet. The question is how do we source the examples? Do

we

> have clearly established cases of illegitimate children and their

> known birth details? I can't think of any. But, if we get such a

> chart, it would intersting to verify the quoted shloka.

> >

> > I am trying to understand the dictum. It talks about three

> specific planets - 9th lord, Jupiter and Sun. 9th lord stands for

> dharma. Jupiter and Sun are co-karaka's of the 9th house that

> represents dharma. Sun is also a karaka for father - could

> represent 'legitimate father' in this context. Hence, the native

> (lagna/ lagna lord) should have the blessings of dharma or the

> blessings of the 'legitimate father' to have a legitimate birth.

> This is my crude understanding. Others could probably put it in a

> better way.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > renunw <renunw@> wrote:

> > Dear learned members,

> >

> > The following I learnt from a learned astrologer sometimes back.

> >

> > " unless the lagna lord has benefic aspects, it may mean that the

> > native is born outside matrimony...........

> > Generally speaking, the lagna should have the aspect of either

> > Jupiter, Sun, 9th lord or the lagna lord, OR the lagna lord

should

> > be aspected by benefics, 9th lord, Jupiter, or Sun for normal

> > horoscopes. It is a tricky rule which should be carefully

applied. "

> >

> > I would like if anyone could expand his views on the above, with

> > examples. How far is this statement valid?

> >

> > Thanks..

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> >

 

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Dear Renu ji,

That is curious! What is this Double Transit theory of KN Rao ji?

Please explain.

Regards,

Sreenadh

, " renunw " <renunw

wrote:

>

> Dear Krishna ji,

>

> " amazing to see the applicability of the dictum in toto for his

> particular chart! "

>

> I agree. Yet another point in this chart...the girl's adopted father

> got a stroke in March 17, 2000 and has been an ivalid ever since

> then. For your information....Sri K. N. Rao's famous double transit

> thoery of Jupiter + Saturn is applicable to 9H representing father

> of this girl at that particular time!

>

> Then again her adopted mother underwent a major operation lasting

> eleven hours in the theatre, the consequences of which, the poor

> lady still suffers. This occurred in December 2002, when Jupiter +

> Saturn double trasit affected her 4H representing mother!

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

>

, Krishnamurthy

> Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renu ji,

> >

> > Thanks for sharing the chart. Though I am not keen on searching

> more charts of this type, it was amazing to see the applicability of

> the dictum in toto for his particular chart!

> >

> > I tried to find some link of Sun/Jup/9th lord somehow, but

> failed!

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > renunw renunw@ wrote:

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > I must tell you that as far as I am concerned any child is a

> child,

> > whether legitimate or illegitimate. The rule I mentioned in my

> > earlier mail was a reply to a querie posted by me to a well known

> > astrologer in VA forum, sometimes back. What I wanted to know was

> > the result of unaspected lagna in a horoscope. Well, that was the

> > answer I got.

> >

> > Anyway if you need an example chart I will provide one of an

> adopted

> > child, who had been left by the mother in the hospital, soon after

> > the birth. The mother would have left the child since she would

> not

> > have wanted anyone to know that she gave birth to a baby. Hence I

> > suppose the following chart could be taken as an example. It

> > satisfies the conditions laid down but I don't know how far the

> > rules are valid. Besides one example would not lead us anywhere.

> But

> > if you are interested...go on and test the following horoscope.

> >

> > August 9, 1993 @ 7.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy

> > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renu ji,

> > >

> > > This is a very sensitive and controvertial subject to handle

> > over internet. The question is how do we source the examples? Do

> we

> > have clearly established cases of illegitimate children and their

> > known birth details? I can't think of any. But, if we get such a

> > chart, it would intersting to verify the quoted shloka.

> > >

> > > I am trying to understand the dictum. It talks about three

> > specific planets - 9th lord, Jupiter and Sun. 9th lord stands for

> > dharma. Jupiter and Sun are co-karaka's of the 9th house that

> > represents dharma. Sun is also a karaka for father - could

> > represent 'legitimate father' in this context. Hence, the native

> > (lagna/ lagna lord) should have the blessings of dharma or the

> > blessings of the 'legitimate father' to have a legitimate birth.

> > This is my crude understanding. Others could probably put it in a

> > better way.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > renunw <renunw@> wrote:

> > > Dear learned members,

> > >

> > > The following I learnt from a learned astrologer sometimes back.

> > >

> > > " unless the lagna lord has benefic aspects, it may mean that the

> > > native is born outside matrimony...........

> > > Generally speaking, the lagna should have the aspect of either

> > > Jupiter, Sun, 9th lord or the lagna lord, OR the lagna lord

> should

> > > be aspected by benefics, 9th lord, Jupiter, or Sun for normal

> > > horoscopes. It is a tricky rule which should be carefully

> applied. "

> > >

> > > I would like if anyone could expand his views on the above, with

> > > examples. How far is this statement valid?

> > >

> > > Thanks..

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Never miss a thing. Make your homepage.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with

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Dear Sreenadh & Renuji

The double transit phenomenon in short is - the slow moving planets i.e. Transit Jupiter & Transit Saturn together aspect a house, event pertaining to that house is predicted....

Coming to the main hororscope of the adopted girl, as per classics understanding, the houses for adopted mother & father are different. Need to verify that the biological parents of this girl if known, to verify the events as revealed by Dasha or Double transit.

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote: Dear Renu ji, That is curious! What is this Double Transit theory of KN Rao ji? Please explain. Regards, Sreenadh , "renunw" renunw@ wrote: Dear Krishna ji, "amazing to see the applicability of the dictum in toto for his particular chart!" I agree. Yet another point in this chart...the girl's adopted father got a stroke in March 17, 2000 and has been an ivalid ever since then. For your information....Sri K. N. Rao's famous double transitthoery of Jupiter + Saturn is applicable to 9H representing father of this girl at that particular time! Then again her adopted mother underwent a major operation lasting eleven hours in the theatre, the consequences of which, the poor lady still suffers. This occurred in December 2002, when Jupiter + Saturn double trasit affected her 4H representing mother!blessings Renu

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

" What is this Double Transit theory of KN Rao ji? "

 

I think Sreeram ji has given the answer to this :)

 

" The double transit phenomenon in short is - the slow moving planets

i.e. Transit Jupiter & Transit Saturn together aspect a house,

event pertaining to that house is predicted.... "

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

>

> Dear Renu ji,

> That is curious! What is this Double Transit theory of KN Rao

ji?

> Please explain.

> Regards,

> Sreenadh

> , " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Krishna ji,

> >

> > " amazing to see the applicability of the dictum in toto for his

> > particular chart! "

> >

> > I agree. Yet another point in this chart...the girl's adopted

father

> > got a stroke in March 17, 2000 and has been an ivalid ever since

> > then. For your information....Sri K. N. Rao's famous double

transit

> > thoery of Jupiter + Saturn is applicable to 9H representing

father

> > of this girl at that particular time!

> >

> > Then again her adopted mother underwent a major operation lasting

> > eleven hours in the theatre, the consequences of which, the poor

> > lady still suffers. This occurred in December 2002, when Jupiter

+

> > Saturn double trasit affected her 4H representing mother!

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , Krishnamurthy

> > Seetharama krishna_1998@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renu ji,

> > >

> > > Thanks for sharing the chart. Though I am not keen on searching

> > more charts of this type, it was amazing to see the

applicability of

> > the dictum in toto for his particular chart!

> > >

> > > I tried to find some link of Sun/Jup/9th lord somehow, but

> > failed!

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > renunw renunw@ wrote:

> > > Dear Krishna ji,

> > >

> > > I must tell you that as far as I am concerned any child is a

> > child,

> > > whether legitimate or illegitimate. The rule I mentioned in my

> > > earlier mail was a reply to a querie posted by me to a well

known

> > > astrologer in VA forum, sometimes back. What I wanted to know

was

> > > the result of unaspected lagna in a horoscope. Well, that was

the

> > > answer I got.

> > >

> > > Anyway if you need an example chart I will provide one of an

> > adopted

> > > child, who had been left by the mother in the hospital, soon

after

> > > the birth. The mother would have left the child since she would

> > not

> > > have wanted anyone to know that she gave birth to a baby.

Hence I

> > > suppose the following chart could be taken as an example. It

> > > satisfies the conditions laid down but I don't know how far the

> > > rules are valid. Besides one example would not lead us

anywhere.

> > But

> > > if you are interested...go on and test the following horoscope.

> > >

> > > August 9, 1993 @ 7.10 AM in Colombo, Sri Lanka.

> > >

> > > blessings

> > >

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > , Krishnamurthy

> > > Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Renu ji,

> > > >

> > > > This is a very sensitive and controvertial subject to handle

> > > over internet. The question is how do we source the examples?

Do

> > we

> > > have clearly established cases of illegitimate children and

their

> > > known birth details? I can't think of any. But, if we get such

a

> > > chart, it would intersting to verify the quoted shloka.

> > > >

> > > > I am trying to understand the dictum. It talks about three

> > > specific planets - 9th lord, Jupiter and Sun. 9th lord stands

for

> > > dharma. Jupiter and Sun are co-karaka's of the 9th house that

> > > represents dharma. Sun is also a karaka for father - could

> > > represent 'legitimate father' in this context. Hence, the

native

> > > (lagna/ lagna lord) should have the blessings of dharma or the

> > > blessings of the 'legitimate father' to have a legitimate

birth.

> > > This is my crude understanding. Others could probably put it

in a

> > > better way.

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Regards,

> > > > Krishna

> > > >

> > > > renunw <renunw@> wrote:

> > > > Dear learned members,

> > > >

> > > > The following I learnt from a learned astrologer sometimes

back.

> > > >

> > > > " unless the lagna lord has benefic aspects, it may mean that

the

> > > > native is born outside matrimony...........

> > > > Generally speaking, the lagna should have the aspect of

either

> > > > Jupiter, Sun, 9th lord or the lagna lord, OR the lagna lord

> > should

> > > > be aspected by benefics, 9th lord, Jupiter, or Sun for normal

> > > > horoscopes. It is a tricky rule which should be carefully

> > applied. "

> > > >

> > > > I would like if anyone could expand his views on the above,

with

> > > > examples. How far is this statement valid?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks..

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > >

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