Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My Reading)

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Dear All, My reading for 2nd lord in 3rd, based on sage quotes is given below. Please build on top of this basic material. If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous, intelligent and will have many good qualities. He would be soft hearted (especially towards women), interested in girls and love. He may have sexual relationships outside marriage, will spend money without stinginess and will not have greed for other's wealth. It is also possible that he would be interested in capturing other's wealth through fight. He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes and will not have much radiance. He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be humble. He will be capable and will have many talents, but will not have an income according to his capabilities. He will trust in the divine will, i.e. fate - and will accept it without complaint, at extreme situations and would be righteous. If 2nd lord in 3rd is conjunct with malefic then the native will not respect deities and belief in good and may say bad words against deities.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:

Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think?

 

Dear Vinita ji, It is always as usual, very interesting to read your post. That was a very good and beautiful mail. As you have guessed rightly "u do make us slog, don't u...". To be true - Yes I do. You know "slow and study wins the race" - so we have to be SLOW to win the race!!! And so I am - intentionally making all 'slow' in the race of learning astrology. Actually it seems that, it helps a lot. That was a good try and for sure you got many points right, in my opinian. To list a few - *1*> Third house stands for courage, valour, younger brother, etc. > Mercury is a planet of intellect, quick thinking, youth(?), > playfullness, etc.> So naturally, these characteristics will be strengthened > considerably with NH lord occupying its own house. *2*> It is 3rd to NH of self...so it should signify some kind of self > growth? My answer: Yes. *3*> It is 2nd to NH of wealth...so it should provide support / > sustenance to wealth? My answer: Yes. Plus the curious thoughts presented==>> But then it is 12th to the 4th house of Cancer implying that it is > not good for mother or material comforts, or domestic matters??> > So far as 5th house from Gemini is concerned, the lord is Venus, a > benefic and friendly planet to Mercury...so should the native be > fortunate in the matter of children????dunno, coz Venus also owns > the 12th house to Gemini....so loss of children???<== I am unsure about these points - but we can inquire to people with this combination. Any way I am giving my final readering, intially itself for 2nd lord in 3rd excersise; because going the other way round caused some trouble in the '2nd lord in 2nd' exersise. Love and regards,Sreenadh> > , "vinita kumar"> shankar_mamta@ wrote:> >> > Dear Shreenadh,> >> > u do make us slog, don't u....but it is fun too.> >> > u can see i'm struggling and struggling and still not getting it> > right in terms of NH1 and NH2 because the use of these techniques is> > still not in my grasp.> >> > Third house stands for courage, valour, younger brother, etc.> >> > It is an Upachaya house of growth.> >> > It is a sustana.> >> > Going by the principle of NH2, as u have said, it is second lord> > from NH Taurus (Mercury) going to third house from Aries (Gemini).> >> > Mercury is a planet of intellect, quick thinking, youth(?),> > playfullness, etc.> >> > So naturally, these characteristics will be strengthened> > considerably with NH lord occupying its own house.> >> > It is 3rd to NH of self...so it should signify some kind of self> > growth?> >> > It is 2nd to NH of wealth...so it should provide support /> > sustenance to wealth?> >> > But then it is 12th to the 4th house of Cancer implying that it is> > not good for mother or material comforts, or domestic matters??> >> > So far as 5th house from Gemini is concerned, the lord is Venus, a> > benefic and friendly planet to Mercury...so should the native be> > fortunate in the matter of children????dunno, coz Venus also owns> > the 12th house to Gemini....so loss of children??? I'm totally> > confused!> >> > Mars owned 6th and 11th houses to Gemini are both houses of> > growth...but there may be struggles, enemies to be won, before> > results could accumulate in matters signified by these houses.> >> >> > Both 7th and 10th houses to Gemini are owned by Jupiter....so maybe> > some good / expansive influence may be there in these areas...who> > knows?????> >> > So let us know how all this should be analysed!> >> > i have given it my best shot...but unfortunately i am totally in the> > dark > >> > warm regards,> >> > vinita> >> >> >> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Renu ji,> > > As per NHT2, 2nd lord in 3rd is similar to - 2nd lord from> > Taurus> > > going to 3rd house from Aries; i.e. Mercury in Gemini.> > > Note that as per NHT2 we earlier said-> > > 1) 2nd lord lagna is similar to - 2nd lord from Taurus going> > to 1rd> > > house from Aries; i.e. Mercury in Aires.> > > 2) 2nd lord 2nd is similar to - 2nd lord from Taurus going to> > 2nd house> > > from Aries; i.e. Mercury in Taurus.> > > So naturally -> > > 3) 2nd lord 3rd is similar to - 2nd lord from Taurus going to> > 3nd house> > > from Aries; i.e. Mercury in Gemini.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > >> > > > As per NHT2, 2HL in 3H is similar to 2HL from Taurus, i.e.> > Mercury> > > going> > > > to Cancer lagna. Mercury will be 3HL & 12HL for Cancer lagna.> > > >> > > > 1. Thus Mercury 3HL of courage will be placed in lagna. Hence> > when the> > > > 2HL is in 3H, the native will be courageous.> > > >> > > > 2. Also 3HL signifying siblings will be in lagna. Hence the> > native> > > life> > > > will be centred around his/her siblings.> > > >> > > > 3. 3HL signifying aesthetic tendencies ill be in lagna giving> > birth to> > > a> > > > native talented in these fields.> > > >> > > > Sorry for replying to your querie in parts.> > > >> > > > blessings> > > >> > > > Renu> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear SreenadhjiThanks for your valuable insight and knowledge sharing.regardsSandeep

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

Let me apply a real life situation, a horoscope of a known person.... to your reading on 2nd lord in 3rd house. Just want to mention that in this particular case 2nd lord is conjunct with 3rd lord in 3rd house.

If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous, intelligent and will have many good qualities.

Not valorous, not quite intelligent but fairly good qualities.

He would be soft hearted (especially towards women), interested in girls and love.

I will give 50 % to this.

He may have sexual relationships outside marriage,

possible

will spend money without stinginess

100% correct

and will not have greed for other's wealth.

true

It is also possible that he would be interested in capturing other's wealth through fight.

not at all.

He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes

These traits are visible.

He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be humble.

Gosh!...you are correct here.

He will be capable and will have many talents, but will not have an income according to his capabilities.

Exactly.

He will trust in the divine will, i.e. fate - and will accept it without complaint, at extreme situations and would be righteous.

cannot say anything about this.

Things may differ to the basic rules since 3HL is also conjunct with 2HL in this case. blessings

Renu , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear All,> My reading for 2nd lord in 3rd, based on sage quotes is given below.> Please build on top of this basic material.> > If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous,> intelligent and will have many good qualities. He would be soft hearted> (especially towards women), interested in girls and love. He may have> sexual relationships outside marriage, will spend money without> stinginess and will not have greed for other's wealth. It is also> possible that he would be interested in capturing other's wealth through> fight. He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes and will not> have much radiance. He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be> humble. He will be capable and will have many talents, but will not have> an income according to his capabilities. He will trust in the divine> will, i.e. fate - and will accept it without complaint, at extreme> situations and would be righteous.> If 2nd lord in 3rd is conjunct with malefic then the native will not> respect deities and belief in good and may say bad words against> deities.> > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think?> > Dear Vinita ji,> It is always as usual, very interesting to read your post. That was> a very good and beautiful mail. As you have guessed rightly "u do> make us slog, don't u...". To be true - Yes I do. [] You know "slow> and study wins the race" - so we have to be SLOW [] to win the> race!!! And so I am - intentionally making all 'slow' in the race of> learning astrology. [] Actually it seems that, it helps a lot. > []> That was a good try and for sure you got many points right, in my> opinian. [] To list a few -> *1*> > Third house stands for courage, valour, younger brother, etc.> > Mercury is a planet of intellect, quick thinking, youth(?),> > playfullness, etc.> > So naturally, these characteristics will be strengthened> > considerably with NH lord occupying its own house.> *2*> > It is 3rd to NH of self...so it should signify some kind of self> > growth?> My answer: Yes.> *3*> > It is 2nd to NH of wealth...so it should provide support /> > sustenance to wealth?> My answer: Yes.> > Plus the curious thoughts presented> ==>> > But then it is 12th to the 4th house of Cancer implying that it is> > not good for mother or material comforts, or domestic matters??> >> > So far as 5th house from Gemini is concerned, the lord is Venus, a> > benefic and friendly planet to Mercury...so should the native be> > fortunate in the matter of children????dunno, coz Venus also owns> > the 12th house to Gemini....so loss of children???> <==> I am unsure about these points - but we can inquire to people with> this combination. > Any way I am giving my final readering, intially itself for 2nd lord in> 3rd excersise; because going the other way round caused some trouble in> the '2nd lord in 2nd' exersise. []> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> >> > , "vinita kumar"> > shankar_mamta@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shreenadh,> > >> > > u do make us slog, don't u....but it is fun too.> > >> > > u can see i'm struggling and struggling and still not getting it> > > right in terms of NH1 and NH2 because the use of these techniques is> > > still not in my grasp.> > >> > > Third house stands for courage, valour, younger brother, etc.> > >> > > It is an Upachaya house of growth.> > >> > > It is a sustana.> > >> > > Going by the principle of NH2, as u have said, it is second lord> > > from NH Taurus (Mercury) going to third house from Aries (Gemini).> > >> > > Mercury is a planet of intellect, quick thinking, youth(?),> > > playfullness, etc.> > >> > > So naturally, these characteristics will be strengthened> > > considerably with NH lord occupying its own house.> > >> > > It is 3rd to NH of self...so it should signify some kind of self> > > growth?> > >> > > It is 2nd to NH of wealth...so it should provide support /> > > sustenance to wealth?> > >> > > But then it is 12th to the 4th house of Cancer implying that it is> > > not good for mother or material comforts, or domestic matters??> > >> > > So far as 5th house from Gemini is concerned, the lord is Venus, a> > > benefic and friendly planet to Mercury...so should the native be> > > fortunate in the matter of children????dunno, coz Venus also owns> > > the 12th house to Gemini....so loss of children??? I'm totally> > > confused!> > >> > > Mars owned 6th and 11th houses to Gemini are both houses of> > > growth...but there may be struggles, enemies to be won, before> > > results could accumulate in matters signified by these houses.> > >> > >> > > Both 7th and 10th houses to Gemini are owned by Jupiter....so maybe> > > some good / expansive influence may be there in these areas...who> > > knows?????> > >> > > So let us know how all this should be analysed!> > >> > > i have given it my best shot...but unfortunately i am totally in the> > > dark > > >> > > warm regards,> > >> > > vinita> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > As per NHT2, 2nd lord in 3rd is similar to - 2nd lord from> > > Taurus> > > > going to 3rd house from Aries; i.e. Mercury in Gemini.> > > > Note that as per NHT2 we earlier said-> > > > 1) 2nd lord lagna is similar to - 2nd lord from Taurus going> > > to 1rd> > > > house from Aries; i.e. Mercury in Aires.> > > > 2) 2nd lord 2nd is similar to - 2nd lord from Taurus going to> > > 2nd house> > > > from Aries; i.e. Mercury in Taurus.> > > > So naturally -> > > > 3) 2nd lord 3rd is similar to - 2nd lord from Taurus going to> > > 3nd house> > > > from Aries; i.e. Mercury in Gemini.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "renunw"> <renunw@>> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > >> > > > > As per NHT2, 2HL in 3H is similar to 2HL from Taurus, i.e.> > > Mercury> > > > going> > > > > to Cancer lagna. Mercury will be 3HL & 12HL for Cancer lagna.> > > > >> > > > > 1. Thus Mercury 3HL of courage will be placed in lagna. Hence> > > when the> > > > > 2HL is in 3H, the native will be courageous.> > > > >> > > > > 2. Also 3HL signifying siblings will be in lagna. Hence the> > > native> > > > life> > > > > will be centred around his/her siblings.> > > > >> > > > > 3. 3HL signifying aesthetic tendencies ill be in lagna giving> > > birth to> > > > a> > > > > native talented in these fields.> > > > >> > > > > Sorry for replying to your querie in parts.> > > > >> > > > > blessings> > > > >> > > > > Renu> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Renu ji,

That was nice feed back. Instead of commenting on the

feedback I will give you 1 more example individual with 2nd lord in 3rd

Ya - none but our moderator Srinivas ji... lol.... (of course me too...) .

OK - Srinivas ji's horoscope also could be an exception, since he got 2nd lord

in 3rd in own house - i.e Saturn in Aquarius.

 

Note: Apart from whether the readings are corrent or not, another thing

we should ponder is 'what was the logic behind deriving those results?'

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:

 

Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My Reading)

Dear Sreenadh ji,

Let me apply a real life situation, a horoscope of a known

person.... to your reading on 2nd lord in 3rd house. Just want to

mention that in this particular case 2nd lord is conjunct with 3rd lord

in 3rd house.

If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous, intelligent and will have many good qualities.

Not valorous, not quite intelligent but fairly good qualities.

He would be soft hearted (especially towards women), interested in girls and love.

I will give 50 % to this.

He may have sexual relationships outside marriage,

possible

will spend money without stinginess

100% correct

and will not have greed for other's wealth.

true

It is also possible that he would be interested in capturing other's wealth through fight.

not at all.

He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes

These traits are visible.

He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be humble.

Gosh!...you are correct here.

He will be capable and will have many talents, but will not have an income according to his capabilities.

Exactly.

He will trust in the divine will, i.e.

fate - and will accept it without complaint, at extreme situations and

would be righteous.

cannot say anything about this.

Things may differ to the basic rules since 3HL is also conjunct with 2HL in this case. blessings

Renu

 

> , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > My reading for 2nd lord in 3rd, based on sage quotes is given below.> > Please build on top of this basic material.> >> > If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous,> > intelligent and will have many good qualities. He would be soft> hearted> > (especially towards women), interested in girls and love. He may have> > sexual relationships outside marriage, will spend money without> > stinginess and will not have greed for other's wealth. It is also> > possible that he would be interested in capturing other's wealth> through> > fight. He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes and will not> > have much radiance. He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be> > humble. He will be capable and will have many talents, but will not> have> > an income according to his capabilities. He will trust in the divine> > will, i.e. fate - and will accept it without complaint, at extreme> > situations and would be righteous.> > If 2nd lord in 3rd is conjunct with malefic then the native will not> > respect deities and belief in good and may say bad words against> > deities.> >> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

This is indeed interesting. When the 1st thing I noticed and the

only thing with which I could agree 100% when 2HL in 3H is........

 

" He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be humble. "

 

.......You tell me that the 2 most active, most learned and most

generous members of the forum has this placement????? Now it's my

turn to laugh :) :)Should ask about this from the respective

wives.[humour ...pardon me]

 

Anyway as you have mentioned I would be more interseted in the logic

behind the results. Hope everyone will participate and expect a good

explanation from you and Sreeram ji, who would be able to reason out

the results more than anyone else

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

>

> Dear Renu ji,

> That was nice feed back. Instead of commenting on the

feedback I

> will give you 1 more example individual with 2nd lord in 3rd

Ya -

> none but our moderator Srinivas ji... lol.... (of course me

too...) . OK

> - Srinivas ji's horoscope also could be an exception, since he got

2nd

> lord in 3rd in own house - i.e Saturn in Aquarius.

>

> Note: Apart from whether the readings are corrent or not, another

thing

> we should ponder is 'what was the logic behind deriving those

results?'

>

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

> , " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My Reading)

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> Let me apply a real life situation, a horoscope of a known

person....

> to your reading on 2nd lord in 3rd house. Just want to mention

that in

> this particular case 2nd lord is conjunct with 3rd lord in 3rd

house.

>

> If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous,

intelligent

> and will have many good qualities.

>

> Not valorous, not quite intelligent but fairly good qualities.

>

> He would be soft hearted (especially towards women), interested in

girls

> and love.

>

> I will give 50 % to this.

>

> He may have sexual relationships outside marriage,

>

> possible

>

> will spend money without stinginess

>

> 100% correct

>

> and will not have greed for other's wealth.

>

> true

>

> It is also possible that he would be interested in capturing

other's

> wealth through fight.

>

> not at all.

>

> He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes

>

> These traits are visible.

>

> He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be humble.

>

> Gosh!...you are correct here.

>

> He will be capable and will have many talents, but will not have an

> income according to his capabilities.

>

> Exactly.

>

> He will trust in the divine will, i.e. fate - and will accept it

without

> complaint, at extreme situations and would be righteous.

>

> cannot say anything about this.

>

>

> Things may differ to the basic rules since 3HL is also conjunct

with 2HL

> in this case.

> blessings

> Renu

>

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > sreesog@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > > My reading for 2nd lord in 3rd, based on sage quotes is given

below.

> > > Please build on top of this basic material.

> > >

> > > If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous,

> > > intelligent and will have many good qualities. He would be soft

> > hearted

> > > (especially towards women), interested in girls and love. He

may

> have

> > > sexual relationships outside marriage, will spend money without

> > > stinginess and will not have greed for other's wealth. It is

also

> > > possible that he would be interested in capturing other's

wealth

> > through

> > > fight. He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes and

will

> not

> > > have much radiance. He may lie, his mind wavering and will not

be

> > > humble. He will be capable and will have many talents, but

will not

> > have

> > > an income according to his capabilities. He will trust in the

divine

> > > will, i.e. fate - and will accept it without complaint, at

extreme

> > > situations and would be righteous.

> > > If 2nd lord in 3rd is conjunct with malefic then the native

will not

> > > respect deities and belief in good and may say bad words

against

> > > deities.

> > >

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

>

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Dear Renu ji,

You are absolutely right at the out set. But it is

here that one of the most interesting facts about astrology comes into light.

Astrology tells us NOT mainly about the persona, but about the real individual

behind!

I would agree that the reading tallies ot almost 80 to 90%

in my case; and I feel almost the same would be true in Srinivas case - even

though both of us don't have any extra material affair; I don't think as

individuals we deny the underlying trend in us ;=) Even though due to various

factors, won't prefer the same. Possibly all other factors also true,

with the exception that we identify it and see it through, as we could see our

own egos - and thus helping us to limit/control the same.

So the point is - this capability of astrology to 'look into the

individual' rather than to 'projected image' IS important and should be

considered while evaluating the astrological statements provided by sages.

Note: By the way the only major statement I would disagree in the above

reading in my case is - "He may lie, his mind wavering" and

everything else I would agree as part of my basic human trait.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > This is indeed interesting. When the 1st thing I noticed and the > only thing with which I could agree 100% when 2HL in 3H is........> > "He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be humble."> > ......You tell me that the 2 most active, most learned and most > generous members of the forum has this placement????? Now it's my > turn to laugh :) :)Should ask about this from the respective > wives.[humour ...pardon me]> > Anyway as you have mentioned I would be more interseted in the logic > behind the results. Hope everyone will participate and expect a good > explanation from you and Sreeram ji, who would be able to reason out > the results more than anyone else > > blessings> > Renu> > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > That was nice feed back. Instead of commenting on the > feedback I> > will give you 1 more example individual with 2nd lord in 3rd > Ya -> > none but our moderator Srinivas ji... lol.... (of course me > too...) . OK> > - Srinivas ji's horoscope also could be an exception, since he got > 2nd> > lord in 3rd in own house - i.e Saturn in Aquarius. > > > > Note: Apart from whether the readings are corrent or not, another > thing> > we should ponder is 'what was the logic behind deriving those > results?'> > > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My Reading)> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > Let me apply a real life situation, a horoscope of a known > person....> > to your reading on 2nd lord in 3rd house. Just want to mention > that in> > this particular case 2nd lord is conjunct with 3rd lord in 3rd > house.> > > > If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous, > intelligent> > and will have many good qualities.> > > > Not valorous, not quite intelligent but fairly good qualities.> > > > He would be soft hearted (especially towards women), interested in > girls> > and love.> > > > I will give 50 % to this.> > > > He may have sexual relationships outside marriage,> > > > possible> > > > will spend money without stinginess> > > > 100% correct> > > > and will not have greed for other's wealth.> > > > true> > > > It is also possible that he would be interested in capturing > other's> > wealth through fight.> > > > not at all.> > > > He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes> > > > These traits are visible.> > > > He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be humble.> > > > Gosh!...you are correct here.> > > > He will be capable and will have many talents, but will not have an> > income according to his capabilities.> > > > Exactly.> > > > He will trust in the divine will, i.e. fate - and will accept it > without> > complaint, at extreme situations and would be righteous.> > > > cannot say anything about this.> > > > > > Things may differ to the basic rules since 3HL is also conjunct > with 2HL> > in this case.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > My reading for 2nd lord in 3rd, based on sage quotes is given > below.> > > > Please build on top of this basic material.> > > >> > > > If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous,> > > > intelligent and will have many good qualities. He would be soft> > > hearted> > > > (especially towards women), interested in girls and love. He > may> > have> > > > sexual relationships outside marriage, will spend money without> > > > stinginess and will not have greed for other's wealth. It is > also> > > > possible that he would be interested in capturing other's > wealth> > > through> > > > fight. He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes and > will> > not> > > > have much radiance. He may lie, his mind wavering and will not > be> > > > humble. He will be capable and will have many talents, but > will not> > > have> > > > an income according to his capabilities. He will trust in the > divine> > > > will, i.e. fate - and will accept it without complaint, at > extreme> > > > situations and would be righteous.> > > > If 2nd lord in 3rd is conjunct with malefic then the native > will not> > > > respect deities and belief in good and may say bad words > against> > > > deities.> > > >> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> >>

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Sagi- Saturn in Aqua (long life but a passive and often, lazy life always spending time in brilliant but useless thoughts)You would see that this is what I have said about Saturn in Aqua for a sagi lagna.

With respect to Srinivasji, you would note that exact tamasic aspects of the Saturn being in its own and passive sign have been drastically countered by well positioned Jupiter and Mercury. I dont know the chart of Sreenadh and hence, I can not comment. Kishore patnaik On Jan 17, 2008 2:38 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Renu ji,

That was nice feed back. Instead of commenting on the

feedback I will give you 1 more example individual with 2nd lord in 3rd

Ya - none but our moderator Srinivas ji... lol.... (of course me too...) .

OK - Srinivas ji's horoscope also could be an exception, since he got 2nd lord

in 3rd in own house - i.e Saturn in Aquarius.

 

Note: Apart from whether the readings are corrent or not, another thing

we should ponder is 'what was the logic behind deriving those results?'

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, " renunw " <renunw wrote:

 

Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My Reading)

Dear Sreenadh ji,

Let me apply a real life situation, a horoscope of a known

person.... to your reading on 2nd lord in 3rd house. Just want to

mention that in this particular case 2nd lord is conjunct with 3rd lord

in 3rd house.

If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous, intelligent and will have many good qualities.

Not valorous, not quite intelligent but fairly good qualities.

He would be soft hearted (especially towards women), interested in girls and love.

I will give 50 % to this.

He may have sexual relationships outside marriage,

possible

will spend money without stinginess

100% correct

and will not have greed for other's wealth.

true

It is also possible that he would be interested in capturing other's wealth through fight.

not at all.

He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes

These traits are visible.

He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be humble.

Gosh!...you are correct here.

He will be capable and will have many talents, but will not have an income according to his capabilities.

Exactly.

He will trust in the divine will, i.e.

fate - and will accept it without complaint, at extreme situations and

would be righteous.

cannot say anything about this.

Things may differ to the basic rules since 3HL is also conjunct with 2HL in this case. blessings

Renu

 

> , " Sreenadh " > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear All,> > My reading for 2nd lord in 3rd, based on sage quotes is given below.

> > Please build on top of this basic material.> >> > If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous,> > intelligent and will have many good qualities. He would be soft

> hearted> > (especially towards women), interested in girls and love. He may have> > sexual relationships outside marriage, will spend money without> > stinginess and will not have greed for other's wealth. It is also

> > possible that he would be interested in capturing other's wealth> through> > fight. He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes and will not> > have much radiance. He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be

> > humble. He will be capable and will have many talents, but will not> have> > an income according to his capabilities. He will trust in the divine> > will, i.e. fate - and will accept it without complaint, at extreme

> > situations and would be righteous.> > If 2nd lord in 3rd is conjunct with malefic then the native will not> > respect deities and belief in good and may say bad words against> > deities.

> >> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >

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Dear Kishore ji,

Brilliant thoughts are never useless and Useless thoughts are never

brilliant. :=) I wonder what is meant and also to which

category the above statement should be put into. ;=)

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Sagi- Saturn in Aqua (long life but a passive and often, lazy life always> spending time in brilliant but useless thoughts)> > > You would see that this is what I have said about Saturn in Aqua for a sagi> lagna.> > With respect to Srinivasji, you would note that exact tamasic aspects of> the Saturn being in its own and passive sign have been drastically countered> by well positioned Jupiter and Mercury.> > I dont know the chart of Sreenadh and hence, I can not comment.> > Kishore patnaik> > > On Jan 17, 2008 2:38 PM, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Renu ji,> > That was nice feed back. Instead of commenting on the feedback I> > will give you 1 more example individual with 2nd lord in 3rd Ya - none> > but our moderator Srinivas ji... lol.... (of course me too...) . OK -> > Srinivas ji's horoscope also could be an exception, since he got 2nd lord in> > 3rd in own house - i.e Saturn in Aquarius. > >> > Note: Apart from whether the readings are corrent or not, another thing we> > should ponder is 'what was the logic behind deriving those results?' > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , "renunw" renunw@> > wrote:> > Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My Reading)> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > Let me apply a real life situation, a horoscope of a known person.... to> > your reading on 2nd lord in 3rd house. Just want to mention that in this> > particular case 2nd lord is conjunct with 3rd lord in 3rd house.> >> > *If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous, intelligent> > and will have many good qualities. *> >> > *Not valorous, not quite intelligent but fairly good qualities.*> >> > *He would be soft hearted (especially towards women), interested in girls> > and love. *> >> > *I will give 50 % to this.*> >> > *He may have sexual relationships outside marriage, *> >> > *possible*> >> > *will spend money without stinginess*> >> > *100% correct*> >> > * and will not have greed for other's wealth. *> >> > *true*> >> > *It is also possible that he would be interested in capturing other's> > wealth through fight. *> >> > *not at all.*> >> > *He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes *> >> > *These traits are visible.*> >> > *He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be humble. *> >> > *Gosh!...you are correct here.*> >> > *He will be capable and will have many talents, but will not have an> > income according to his capabilities. *> >> > *Exactly.*> >> > *He will trust in the divine will, i.e. fate - and will accept it without> > complaint, at extreme situations and would be righteous.*> >> > *cannot say anything about this.> > *> >> > *Things may differ to the basic rules since 3HL is also conjunct with 2HL> > in this case.*> > blessings> > Renu> >> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > My reading for 2nd lord in 3rd, based on sage quotes is given below.> > > > Please build on top of this basic material.> > > >> > > > If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous,> > > > intelligent and will have many good qualities. He would be soft> > > hearted> > > > (especially towards women), interested in girls and love. He may have> > > > sexual relationships outside marriage, will spend money without> > > > stinginess and will not have greed for other's wealth. It is also> > > > possible that he would be interested in capturing other's wealth> > > through> > > > fight. He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes and will not> > > > have much radiance. He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be> > > > humble. He will be capable and will have many talents, but will not> > > have> > > > an income according to his capabilities. He will trust in the divine> > > > will, i.e. fate - and will accept it without complaint, at extreme> > > > situations and would be righteous.> > > > If 2nd lord in 3rd is conjunct with malefic then the native will not> > > > respect deities and belief in good and may say bad words against> > > > deities.> > > >> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> >> > > >>

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

Thanks for beautifully explaining...as usual. I like the following:"Astrology tells us NOT mainly about the persona, but about the real individual behind! "

Ultimately it is the real individual behind .....that every wife tries hard to understand. After all the thoughts of a wife are centred [7H kendra] around her husband's every action.

" So the point is - this capability of astrology to 'look into the individual' rather than to 'projected image' IS important ...."

Isn't the projected individual shown by Arudha Lagna.?...just a second..I may be wrong here.

Note: By the way the only major statement I would disagree in the above reading in my case is - "He may lie, his mind wavering" and everything else I would agree as part of my basic human trait.Even if you didn't mention it ...I would have taken your word without the slightest doubt So is Sreeram ji's. It is not difficult to see through a persons writings :)

blessings

Renu , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Renu ji,> You are absolutely right at the out set. But it is here that one> of the most interesting facts about astrology comes into light.> Astrology tells us NOT mainly about the persona, but about the real> individual behind!> I would agree that the reading tallies ot almost 80 to 90% in my> case; and I feel almost the same would be true in Srinivas case - even> though both of us don't have any extra material affair; I don't think as> individuals we deny the underlying trend in us ;=) Even though due to> various factors, won't prefer the same. Possibly all other factors> also true, with the exception that we identify it and see it through, as> we could see our own egos - and thus helping us to limit/control the> same. > So the point is - this capability of astrology to 'look into the> individual' rather than to 'projected image' IS important and should be> considered while evaluating the astrological statements provided by> sages. > Note: By the way the only major statement I would disagree in the> above reading in my case is - "He may lie, his mind wavering" and> everything else I would agree as part of my basic human trait.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > This is indeed interesting. When the 1st thing I noticed and the> > only thing with which I could agree 100% when 2HL in 3H is........> >> > "He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be humble."> >> > ......You tell me that the 2 most active, most learned and most> > generous members of the forum has this placement????? Now it's my> > turn to laugh :) :)Should ask about this from the respective> > wives.[humour ...pardon me]> >> > Anyway as you have mentioned I would be more interseted in the logic> > behind the results. Hope everyone will participate and expect a good> > explanation from you and Sreeram ji, who would be able to reason out> > the results more than anyone else > >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> >> > >> > > Dear Renu ji,> > > That was nice feed back. Instead of commenting on the> > feedback I> > > will give you 1 more example individual with 2nd lord in 3rd > > Ya -> > > none but our moderator Srinivas ji... lol.... (of course me> > too...) . OK> > > - Srinivas ji's horoscope also could be an exception, since he got> > 2nd> > > lord in 3rd in own house - i.e Saturn in Aquarius. > > >> > > Note: Apart from whether the readings are corrent or not, another> > thing> > > we should ponder is 'what was the logic behind deriving those> > results?'> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > > wrote:> > > Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My Reading)> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > Let me apply a real life situation, a horoscope of a known> > person....> > > to your reading on 2nd lord in 3rd house. Just want to mention> > that in> > > this particular case 2nd lord is conjunct with 3rd lord in 3rd> > house.> > >> > > If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous,> > intelligent> > > and will have many good qualities.> > >> > > Not valorous, not quite intelligent but fairly good qualities.> > >> > > He would be soft hearted (especially towards women), interested in> > girls> > > and love.> > >> > > I will give 50 % to this.> > >> > > He may have sexual relationships outside marriage,> > >> > > possible> > >> > > will spend money without stinginess> > >> > > 100% correct> > >> > > and will not have greed for other's wealth.> > >> > > true> > >> > > It is also possible that he would be interested in capturing> > other's> > > wealth through fight.> > >> > > not at all.> > >> > > He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes> > >> > > These traits are visible.> > >> > > He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be humble.> > >> > > Gosh!...you are correct here.> > >> > > He will be capable and will have many talents, but will not have an> > > income according to his capabilities.> > >> > > Exactly.> > >> > > He will trust in the divine will, i.e. fate - and will accept it> > without> > > complaint, at extreme situations and would be righteous.> > >> > > cannot say anything about this.> > >> > >> > > Things may differ to the basic rules since 3HL is also conjunct> > with 2HL> > > in this case.> > > blessings> > > Renu> > >> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > My reading for 2nd lord in 3rd, based on sage quotes is given> > below.> > > > > Please build on top of this basic material.> > > > >> > > > > If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous,> > > > > intelligent and will have many good qualities. He would be soft> > > > hearted> > > > > (especially towards women), interested in girls and love. He> > may> > > have> > > > > sexual relationships outside marriage, will spend money without> > > > > stinginess and will not have greed for other's wealth. It is> > also> > > > > possible that he would be interested in capturing other's> > wealth> > > > through> > > > > fight. He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes and> > will> > > not> > > > > have much radiance. He may lie, his mind wavering and will not> > be> > > > > humble. He will be capable and will have many talents, but> > will not> > > > have> > > > > an income according to his capabilities. He will trust in the> > divine> > > > > will, i.e. fate - and will accept it without complaint, at> > extreme> > > > > situations and would be righteous.> > > > > If 2nd lord in 3rd is conjunct with malefic then the native> > will not> > > > > respect deities and belief in good and may say bad words> > against> > > > > deities.> > > > >> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > >> >>

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Brilliant thoughts remaining only thoughts are useless. Similarly, if I have no personal discipline or control in case of my finances but have brilliant thoughts of how to run Indian Economy, how is it going to be useful for anyone???

ie the person's ideas might be great but they either are out of place or not going to be put to use etc. nothing personal in this. regards, Kishore patnaik

On Jan 18, 2008 2:53 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Kishore ji,

Brilliant thoughts are never useless and Useless thoughts are never

brilliant. :=) I wonder what is meant and also to which

category the above statement should be put into. ;=)

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Sagi- Saturn in Aqua (long life but a passive and often, lazy life always

> spending time in brilliant but useless thoughts)> > > You would see that this is what I have said about Saturn in Aqua for a sagi> lagna.> > With respect to Srinivasji, you would note that exact tamasic aspects of

> the Saturn being in its own and passive sign have been drastically countered> by well positioned Jupiter and Mercury.> > I dont know the chart of Sreenadh and hence, I can not comment.> > Kishore patnaik> > > On Jan 17, 2008 2:38 PM, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > > Dear Renu ji,> > That was nice feed back. Instead of commenting on the feedback I

> > will give you 1 more example individual with 2nd lord in 3rd Ya - none> > but our moderator Srinivas ji... lol.... (of course me too...) . OK -> > Srinivas ji's horoscope also could be an exception, since he got 2nd lord in

> > 3rd in own house - i.e Saturn in Aquarius. > >> > Note: Apart from whether the readings are corrent or not, another thing we> > should ponder is 'what was the logic behind deriving those results?'

> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , " renunw " renunw@

> > wrote:> > Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My Reading)> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > Let me apply a real life situation, a horoscope of a known person.... to

> > your reading on 2nd lord in 3rd house. Just want to mention that in this> > particular case 2nd lord is conjunct with 3rd lord in 3rd house.> >> > *If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous, intelligent

> > and will have many good qualities. *> >> > *Not valorous, not quite intelligent but fairly good qualities.*> >> > *He would be soft hearted (especially towards women), interested in girls

> > and love. *> >> > *I will give 50 % to this.*> >> > *He may have sexual relationships outside marriage, *> >> > *possible*> >> > *will spend money without stinginess*

> >> > *100% correct*> >> > * and will not have greed for other's wealth. *> >> > *true*> >> > *It is also possible that he would be interested in capturing other's

> > wealth through fight. *> >> > *not at all.*> >> > *He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes *> >> > *These traits are visible.*> >

> > *He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be humble. *> >> > *Gosh!...you are correct here.*> >> > *He will be capable and will have many talents, but will not have an

> > income according to his capabilities. *> >> > *Exactly.*> >> > *He will trust in the divine will, i.e. fate - and will accept it without> > complaint, at extreme situations and would be righteous.*

> >> > *cannot say anything about this.> > *> >> > *Things may differ to the basic rules since 3HL is also conjunct with 2HL> > in this case.*> > blessings

> > Renu> >> > > , " Sreenadh " > > > sreesog@ wrote:

> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > My reading for 2nd lord in 3rd, based on sage quotes is given below.> > > > Please build on top of this basic material.> > > >

> > > > If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous,> > > > intelligent and will have many good qualities. He would be soft> > > hearted> > > > (especially towards women), interested in girls and love. He may have

> > > > sexual relationships outside marriage, will spend money without> > > > stinginess and will not have greed for other's wealth. It is also> > > > possible that he would be interested in capturing other's wealth

> > > through> > > > fight. He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes and will not> > > > have much radiance. He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be> > > > humble. He will be capable and will have many talents, but will not

> > > have> > > > an income according to his capabilities. He will trust in the divine> > > > will, i.e. fate - and will accept it without complaint, at extreme> > > > situations and would be righteous.

> > > > If 2nd lord in 3rd is conjunct with malefic then the native will not> > > > respect deities and belief in good and may say bad words against> > > > deities.> > > >

> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> >> > > >>

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It is not new for me that my words are misunderstood or the messages got jumbled up. (my mercury)But I am running Ketu Rahu Ketu in which very interestingly, the people are coming back to me ask what do I mean. It is not only happening on the groups of Vedic astrology and other interests (such as ancient Indian history and linguistics) but also at home and office. Ketu and Budha share something in common as I have always considered Ganesha and Vsnu to be replicas of each other. kishore patnaik

[Guest guest]

Dear

Renu ji,

Arudha supposedly belived to be told by Parasara in BPHS and some

Jaimini is NOT part of ancient system of astrology followed by Rishi Hora

whether it be Arsha School, Jain School or Yavana school. Arudha

the word means (On which the native sat or stand), is used as a referel

point (starting point) similar to lagna in Prashna in south india.

But there is no similarity or relation between the Jaiminian/Parasarian

Arudha and the South Indian concept of Arudha. In any case the Rishi Horas DOES

NOT speak about Arudha. So if we DON'T FIND the coherence of subject matter

found with in Rishi horas in tw0 texts of doubtful origin (such as BPHS

and Jaimini Sutra), I w0uld prefer to accept the matter which tallies with the

other Rishi horas and discard the other - which without doubt the south indian

astrologers were doing in recent centuries.

The current form of BPHS and Jaimini Sutra with numerous references

to weird concepts such as Arudha, Pranapada, Argala, Rasi drishti and so on

could be a creation from Varanasi

after 5th century AD. This is my personal opinion. Of course these texts may

contain much valid material and valuable content - I am not against them

- but it should be accepted that these texts are NOT in tune with

"Traditional Ancient Indian Astrology". This is one of the

fundamental reasons for the rejection of BPHS and Jaimini sutra by many

scholars and preferring Brihat Jataka and Saravali as base texts - especially

in South India. What ever I

told above are facts, even though more than 60% of the group members may not

agree with it, and even though it may cause turbulant arguments.

Note: I request members to consider the above as my individual opinion

and neglect this mail. I don't want a controversy - but just wanted to convey

my sincere opinion.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:

 

Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My Reading)

 

Dear Sreenadh ji,

Thanks for beautifully explaining...as usual. I like the following:"Astrology tells us NOT mainly about the persona, but about the real individual behind! "

Ultimately

it is the real individual behind .....that every wife tries hard to

understand. After all the thoughts of a wife are centred [7H kendra]

around her husband's every action.

" So

the point is - this capability of astrology to 'look into the

individual' rather than to 'projected image' IS important ...."

Isn't the projected individual shown by Arudha Lagna.?...just a second..I may be wrong here.

Note:

By the way the only major statement I would disagree in the above

reading in my case is - "He may lie, his mind wavering" and everything

else I would agree as part of my basic human trait.Even

if you didn't mention it ...I would have taken your word without the

slightest doubt So is Sreeram ji's. It is not difficult to see

through a persons writings :)

blessings

Renu

[Guest guest]

The ideal is the reality, the events are already past. We ought to

express the ideal when it fits, and it is good to us as individuals to

contemplate on the ideals, because if we are doing this we will

determine, a far more better life in the future than the life the events

happening show.

 

So many times to be useless is to be essentially useful.

 

Politicians do the attainable, but be careful, the most attainable thing

is destruction.

 

Ilias

 

 

kishore patnaik wrote:

>

> Brilliant thoughts remaining only thoughts are useless.

>

> Similarly, if I have no personal discipline or control in case of my

> finances but have brilliant thoughts of how to run Indian Economy,

> how is it going to be useful for anyone???

>

> ie the person's ideas might be great but they either are out of place

> or not going to be put to use etc.

>

> nothing personal in this.

>

> regards,

>

> Kishore patnaik

On Jan 18, 2008 2:53 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog

> <sreesog> wrote:

>

> Dear Kishore ji,

> /*Brilliant thoughts are never useless and Useless thoughts are

> never brilliant.*/ :=) I wonder what is meant and also to which

> category the above statement should be put into. ;=)

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

>

> , " kishore

> patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

> >

> > Sagi- Saturn in Aqua (long life but a passive and often, lazy

> life always

> > spending time in brilliant but useless thoughts)

> >

> >

> > You would see that this is what I have said about Saturn in Aqua

> for a sagi

> > lagna.

> >

> > With respect to Srinivasji, you would note that exact tamasic

> aspects of

> > the Saturn being in its own and passive sign have been

> drastically countered

> > by well positioned Jupiter and Mercury.

> >

> > I dont know the chart of Sreenadh and hence, I can not comment.

> >

> > Kishore patnaik

> >

> >

> > On Jan 17, 2008 2:38 PM, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Renu ji,

> > > That was nice feed back. Instead of commenting on the

> feedback I

> > > will give you 1 more example individual with 2nd lord in 3rd

> Ya - none

> > > but our moderator Srinivas ji... lol.... (of course me too...)

> . OK -

> > > Srinivas ji's horoscope also could be an exception, since he

> got 2nd lord in

> > > 3rd in own house - i.e Saturn in Aquarius.

> > >

> > > Note: Apart from whether the readings are corrent or not,

> another thing we

> > > should ponder is 'what was the logic behind deriving those

> results?'

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> , " renunw " renunw@

> > > wrote:

> > > Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My Reading)

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > >

> > > Let me apply a real life situation, a horoscope of a known

> person.... to

> > > your reading on 2nd lord in 3rd house. Just want to mention

> that in this

> > > particular case 2nd lord is conjunct with 3rd lord in 3rd house.

> > >

> > > *If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous,

> intelligent

> > > and will have many good qualities. *

> > >

> > > *Not valorous, not quite intelligent but fairly good qualities.*

> > >

> > > *He would be soft hearted (especially towards women),

> interested in girls

> > > and love. *

> > >

> > > *I will give 50 % to this.*

> > >

> > > *He may have sexual relationships outside marriage, *

> > >

> > > *possible*

> > >

> > > *will spend money without stinginess*

> > >

> > > *100% correct*

> > >

> > > * and will not have greed for other's wealth. *

> > >

> > > *true*

> > >

> > > *It is also possible that he would be interested in capturing

> other's

> > > wealth through fight. *

> > >

> > > *not at all.*

> > >

> > > *He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes *

> > >

> > > *These traits are visible.*

> > >

> > > *He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be humble. *

> > >

> > > *Gosh!...you are correct here.*

> > >

> > > *He will be capable and will have many talents, but will not

> have an

> > > income according to his capabilities. *

> > >

> > > *Exactly.*

> > >

> > > *He will trust in the divine will, i.e. fate - and will accept

> it without

> > > complaint, at extreme situations and would be righteous.*

> > >

> > > *cannot say anything about this.

> > > *

> > >

> > > *Things may differ to the basic rules since 3HL is also

> conjunct with 2HL

> > > in this case.*

> > > blessings

> > > Renu

> > >

> > > >

> , " Sreenadh "

> > > > sreesog@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear All,

> > > > > My reading for 2nd lord in 3rd, based on sage quotes is

> given below.

> > > > > Please build on top of this basic material.

> > > > >

> > > > > If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous,

> > > > > intelligent and will have many good qualities. He would be

> soft

> > > > hearted

> > > > > (especially towards women), interested in girls and love.

> He may have

> > > > > sexual relationships outside marriage, will spend money

> without

> > > > > stinginess and will not have greed for other's wealth. It

> is also

> > > > > possible that he would be interested in capturing other's

> wealth

> > > > through

> > > > > fight. He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes

> and will not

> > > > > have much radiance. He may lie, his mind wavering and will

> not be

> > > > > humble. He will be capable and will have many talents, but

> will not

> > > > have

> > > > > an income according to his capabilities. He will trust in

> the divine

> > > > > will, i.e. fate - and will accept it without complaint, at

> extreme

> > > > > situations and would be righteous.

> > > > > If 2nd lord in 3rd is conjunct with malefic then the

> native will not

> > > > > respect deities and belief in good and may say bad words

> against

> > > > > deities.

> > > > >

> > > > > Love and regards,

> > > > > Sreenadh

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

>

>

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Dear Ilias ji,

Beautifully said!

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, Ilias <d_s_8 wrote:

 

Re: Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My Reading)

 

 

 

The ideal is the reality, the events are already past. We ought to

express the ideal when it fits, and it is good to us as individuals to

contemplate on the ideals, because if we are doing this we will

determine, a far more better life in the future than the life the events

happening show.

 

So many times to be useless is to be essentially useful.

 

Politicians do the attainable, but be careful, the most attainable thing

is destruction.

 

Ilias

> > > kishore patnaik wrote:> >> > Brilliant thoughts remaining only thoughts are useless.> >> > Similarly, if I have no personal discipline or control in case of my > > finances but have brilliant thoughts of how to run Indian Economy, > > how is it going to be useful for anyone???> >> > ie the person's ideas might be great but they either are out of place > > or not going to be put to use etc.> >> > nothing personal in this.> >> > regards,> >> > Kishore patnaik> >> > > >> >> >> >> > On Jan 18, 2008 2:53 PM, Sreenadh sreesog > > <sreesog wrote:> >> > Dear Kishore ji,> > /*Brilliant thoughts are never useless and Useless thoughts are> > never brilliant.*/ :=) I wonder what is meant and also to which> > category the above statement should be put into. ;=)> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > > > < , "kishore> > patnaik" kishorepatnaik09@ wrote:> > >> > > Sagi- Saturn in Aqua (long life but a passive and often, lazy> > life always> > > spending time in brilliant but useless thoughts)> > >> > >> > > You would see that this is what I have said about Saturn in Aqua> > for a sagi> > > lagna.> > >> > > With respect to Srinivasji, you would note that exact tamasic> > aspects of> > > the Saturn being in its own and passive sign have been> > drastically countered> > > by well positioned Jupiter and Mercury.> > >> > > I dont know the chart of Sreenadh and hence, I can not comment.> > >> > > Kishore patnaik> > >> > >> > > On Jan 17, 2008 2:38 PM, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > That was nice feed back. Instead of commenting on the> > feedback I> > > > will give you 1 more example individual with 2nd lord in 3rd> > Ya - none> > > > but our moderator Srinivas ji... lol.... (of course me too...)> > . OK -> > > > Srinivas ji's horoscope also could be an exception, since he> > got 2nd lord in> > > > 3rd in own house - i.e Saturn in Aquarius. > > > >> > > > Note: Apart from whether the readings are corrent or not,> > another thing we> > > > should ponder is 'what was the logic behind deriving those> > results?' > > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > > > > < , "renunw" renunw@> > > > wrote:> > > > Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My Reading)> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > >> > > > Let me apply a real life situation, a horoscope of a known> > person.... to> > > > your reading on 2nd lord in 3rd house. Just want to mention> > that in this> > > > particular case 2nd lord is conjunct with 3rd lord in 3rd house.> > > >> > > > *If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous,> > intelligent> > > > and will have many good qualities. *> > > >> > > > *Not valorous, not quite intelligent but fairly good qualities.*> > > >> > > > *He would be soft hearted (especially towards women),> > interested in girls> > > > and love. *> > > >> > > > *I will give 50 % to this.*> > > >> > > > *He may have sexual relationships outside marriage, *> > > >> > > > *possible*> > > >> > > > *will spend money without stinginess*> > > >> > > > *100% correct*> > > >> > > > * and will not have greed for other's wealth. *> > > >> > > > *true*> > > >> > > > *It is also possible that he would be interested in capturing> > other's> > > > wealth through fight. *> > > >> > > > *not at all.*> > > >> > > > *He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes *> > > >> > > > *These traits are visible.*> > > >> > > > *He may lie, his mind wavering and will not be humble. *> > > >> > > > *Gosh!...you are correct here.*> > > >> > > > *He will be capable and will have many talents, but will not> > have an> > > > income according to his capabilities. *> > > >> > > > *Exactly.*> > > >> > > > *He will trust in the divine will, i.e. fate - and will accept> > it without> > > > complaint, at extreme situations and would be righteous.*> > > >> > > > *cannot say anything about this.> > > > *> > > >> > > > *Things may differ to the basic rules since 3HL is also> > conjunct with 2HL> > > > in this case.*> > > > blessings> > > > Renu> > > >> > > > > > > < , "Sreenadh"> > > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear All,> > > > > > My reading for 2nd lord in 3rd, based on sage quotes is> > given below.> > > > > > Please build on top of this basic material.> > > > > >> > > > > > If 2nd lord is in 3rd house, the native would be valorous,> > > > > > intelligent and will have many good qualities. He would be> > soft> > > > > hearted> > > > > > (especially towards women), interested in girls and love.> > He may have> > > > > > sexual relationships outside marriage, will spend money> > without> > > > > > stinginess and will not have greed for other's wealth. It> > is also> > > > > > possible that he would be interested in capturing other's> > wealth> > > > > through> > > > > > fight. He would be hard working, will be fond of disputes> > and will not> > > > > > have much radiance. He may lie, his mind wavering and will> > not be> > > > > > humble. He will be capable and will have many talents, but> > will not> > > > > have> > > > > > an income according to his capabilities. He will trust in> > the divine> > > > > > will, i.e. fate - and will accept it without complaint, at> > extreme> > > > > > situations and would be righteous.> > > > > > If 2nd lord in 3rd is conjunct with malefic then the> > native will not> > > > > > respect deities and belief in good and may say bad words> > against> > > > > > deities.> > > > > >> > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > > Sreenadh> > > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadhji,

 

I think you also find mention of Arudha and Jaimini) in Uttara

Kalamrita which is certainly a text from South of India. I am sure

Jyotish in south is much more ancient than the times of Varaha Mihira

and Saravali, for them to be the only standards to be followed there. I

remember that there are many astrologers in Andhra who predict on the

basis of Jaimini and that is also South India. Of course this is my

personal opinion and others could hold a different view.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

Sreenadh wrote:

 

 

 

Dear

Renu ji,

Arudha supposedly belived to be told by Parasara in BPHS and some

Jaimini is NOT part of ancient system of astrology followed by Rishi

Hora

whether it be Arsha School, Jain School or Yavana school. Arudha

the word means (On which the native sat or stand), is used as a

referel

point (starting point) similar to lagna in Prashna in south india.

But there is no similarity or relation between the Jaiminian/Parasarian

Arudha and the South Indian concept of Arudha. In any case the Rishi

Horas DOES

NOT speak about Arudha. So if we DON'T FIND the coherence of subject

matter

found with in Rishi horas in tw0 texts of doubtful origin (such as

BPHS

and Jaimini Sutra), I w0uld prefer to accept the matter which tallies

with the

other Rishi horas and discard the other - which without doubt the south

indian

astrologers were doing in recent centuries.

The current form of BPHS and Jaimini Sutra with numerous references

to weird concepts such as Arudha, Pranapada, Argala, Rasi drishti and

so on

could be a creation from Varanasi

after 5th century AD. This is my personal opinion. Of course these

texts may

contain much valid material and valuable content - I am not against

them

- but it should be accepted that these texts are NOT in tune with

"Traditional Ancient Indian Astrology". This is one of the

fundamental reasons for the rejection of BPHS and Jaimini sutra by many

scholars and preferring Brihat Jataka and Saravali as base texts -

especially

in South India. What ever I

told above are facts, even though more than 60% of the group members

may not

agree with it, and even though it may cause turbulant arguments.

Note: I request members to consider the above as my individual

opinion

and neglect this mail. I don't want a controversy - but just wanted to

convey

my sincere opinion.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

,

"renunw" <renunw wrote:

 

Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My Reading)

 

Dear Sreenadh ji,

Thanks for beautifully explaining...as usual. I like the

following:"Astrology tells

us NOT mainly about the persona, but about the real individual behind! "

Ultimately

it is the real individual behind .....that every wife tries hard to

understand. After all the thoughts of a wife are centred [7H kendra]

around her husband's every action.

" So

the point is - this capability of astrology to 'look into the

individual' rather than to 'projected image' IS important ...."

Isn't

the projected individual shown by Arudha Lagna.?...just a second..I may

be wrong here.

Note:

By the way the only major statement I would disagree in the above

reading in my case is - "He may lie, his mind wavering" and everything

else I would agree as part of my basic human trait.

 

Even

if you didn't mention it ...I would have taken your word without the

slightest doubt So is Sreeram ji's. It is not difficult to see

through a persons writings :)

blessings

Renu

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji,

Thanks so much for your opinion. It is going to be helpful..no doubt:)

" Arudha the word means (On which the native sat or stand), "

blessings

Renu , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Renu ji,> Arudha supposedly belived to be told by Parasara in BPHS and some> Jaimini is NOT part of ancient system of astrology followed by Rishi> Hora whether it be Arsha School, Jain School or Yavana school. Arudha> the word means (On which the native sat or stand), is used as a referel> point (starting point) similar to lagna in Prashna in south india. But> there is no similarity or relation between the Jaiminian/Parasarian > Arudha and the South Indian concept of Arudha. In any case the Rishi> Horas DOES NOT speak about Arudha. So if we DON'T FIND the coherence of> subject matter found with in Rishi horas in tw0 texts of doubtful> origin (such as BPHS and Jaimini Sutra), I w0uld prefer to accept the> matter which tallies with the other Rishi horas and discard the other -> which without doubt the south indian astrologers were doing in recent > centuries.> The current form of BPHS and Jaimini Sutra with numerous references to> weird concepts such as Arudha, Pranapada, Argala, Rasi drishti and so on> could be a creation from Varanasi after 5th century AD. This is my> personal opinion. Of course these texts may contain much valid material> and valuable content - I am not against them - but it should be> accepted that these texts are NOT in tune with "Traditional Ancient> Indian Astrology". This is one of the fundamental reasons for the> rejection of BPHS and Jaimini sutra by many scholars and preferring> Brihat Jataka and Saravali as base texts - especially in South India. > What ever I told above are facts, even though more than 60% of the group> members may not agree with it, and even though it may cause turbulant> arguments.> Note: I request members to consider the above as my individual opinion> and neglect this mail. I don't want a controversy - but just wanted to> convey my sincere opinion.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My Reading)> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Thanks for beautifully explaining...as usual. I like the> following:"Astrology tells us NOT mainly about the persona, but about> the real individual behind! "> > Ultimately it is the real individual behind .....that every wife tries> hard to understand. After all the thoughts of a wife are centred [7H> kendra] around her husband's every action.> > " So the point is - this capability of astrology to 'look into the> individual' rather than to 'projected image' IS important ...."> > Isn't the projected individual shown by Arudha Lagna.?...just a> second..I may be wrong here.> > Note: By the way the only major statement I would disagree in the above> reading in my case is - "He may lie, his mind wavering" and everything> else I would agree as part of my basic human trait.> > Even if you didn't mention it ...I would have taken your word without> the slightest doubt So is Sreeram ji's. It is not difficult to see> through a persons writings :) > > blessings> Renu>

[Guest guest]

Arudha means what can be seen from a distance ie some thing too obvious.

 

The dilemma of Sreenadh arose particularly for this reason(at least, I think so) that Arudha the obvious is used to mean for two different things in Jatakam and Prsna.

 

Sreenadh being more acquainted with the technical nomenclature of Temple Questions, he sees Arudha in a different way than the people who are more aquainted with Arudha systems in jataka paramparas.

 

Arudha in prsna simply means what you can see from the enquirer- in very basic way, the place(the sign) where he is sitting(from the jyotish). Sreenadh is more competent to elaborarate on this. These are the things which are too obvious in prsna-where the enquirer is sitting, what are his expressions, what is his body language and how eager or fidgety he is to express his thoughts

 

 

On the other hand, Arudha in jataka method is the too obvious about the Self.

 

You are not one but three-

 

The one who others think you are

The one who you think you are

The One who you really are.

 

Similary, in Astrology also, you are not one three or even four.

 

The Sun position shows your behaviourall patterns

The Moon position shows your mental patterns

The Arudha position shows what others percieve you- the too obvious portion of your Self

And it is the Lagna that shows you really are.

 

Hope this helps,

 

kishore patnaik

[Guest guest]

Sorry to forget the last point:

 

concepts of Arudha systems are traditionally very famous in Upper south like Andhra pradesh (Rajahmundhry ) and borders of AP and Orissa. I have learnt this sytem(or more appropriately heard of it) when I was eight !

 

 

Late Divakaruni Venkata Subba raoji , under who one very senior astrologer from Hyderabad has studied astrology, was highly proficient in Arudha systems. One more name that immediately springs to my mind is Patelji whose book System of Arudha predictions is very useful for both beginners and advanced studies alike.

 

hope this helps,

 

Kishore patnaik

 

 

On 1/19/08, kishore patnaik <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

 

Arudha means what can be seen from a distance ie some thing too obvious.

 

The dilemma of Sreenadh arose particularly for this reason(at least, I think so) that Arudha the obvious is used to mean for two different things in Jatakam and Prsna.

 

Sreenadh being more acquainted with the technical nomenclature of Temple Questions, he sees Arudha in a different way than the people who are more aquainted with Arudha systems in jataka paramparas.

 

Arudha in prsna simply means what you can see from the enquirer- in very basic way, the place(the sign) where he is sitting(from the jyotish). Sreenadh is more competent to elaborarate on this. These are the things which are too obvious in prsna-where the enquirer is sitting, what are his expressions, what is his body language and how eager or fidgety he is to express his thoughts

 

On the other hand, Arudha in jataka method is the too obvious about the Self.

 

You are not one but three-

 

The one who others think you are

The one who you think you are

The One who you really are.

 

Similary, in Astrology also, you are not one three or even four.

 

The Sun position shows your behaviourall patterns

The Moon position shows your mental patterns

The Arudha position shows what others percieve you- the too obvious portion of your Self

And it is the Lagna that shows you really are.

 

Hope this helps,

 

kishore patnaik

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandrasekhar ji,

Possibly astrology the south has a better ancient history

than Brihat Jataka of 6th century and Saravali of 10th century - as

evident from the fact that may Kalidina Ahargana mentioned there dates far

back, and also because the at least the south indian tradition of normal

astrology dates back to the period of Vararuchi who is supposed to be the

originater of KTPY system of number notation. Further Nadi system of astrology

must have been popular there as evident from the fact that Chandra Kala nadi,

Surya nadi and Chandra nadi etc are of Kerala origin. Further numerous

sage quotes from Skanda hora, Brihat Prajapatya, Sounaka hora, Vasishta hora

etc is available in south which seems to be unavailable in north - and the

kerala astrologers makes extensive use of them. But the point I wanted to

make is that Brihat Jataka and Saravali are considered the continuation of this

great ancient tradition of sage told astrology in South India;

while BPHS and Jaimni sutra are not at all popular. Even though scholars

value the knowledge present in Uttara kalamrita, that too is NOT considered as

a popular and dependable reference in Kerala; actually that text got translated

in to Malayalam script recently only. But on the other hand Madhaveeya,

Krishneeya, Dasadhyayi, Muhurta Padavi, Prasna anushtna padhati,

Prasnamarga, Phaladeepika etc are well popular, extensively used, and

well accepted. Jataka parijata is popular but it seems that

scholars are selective in accepting the quotes from it too. As far as

siddhantic tradition is concerned Kerala follows the Aryabhateeya school and

the texts like Drig ganita and Karana paddhati and numerous later day texts

originated in Kerala itself.

==>

> I remember that there are many astrologers in Andhra who predict on the

> basis of Jaimini and that is also South India.

<==

Yes, you could be right. On seeing the extensive use of KTPY system in

Jaimini sutra, I have even the feeling that the text itself could be a creation

of some south indian scholar who was well versed in the system. But the

background info regarding this text is so misty. I don't have any idea

about the facts such as -

* In which region of India

this system was practiced and popular earlier?

* From where and when the manuscript is retrieved and who

published Jaimini sutra first?

* What were the efforts and results of dating

Jaiminisutra till date?

and so on.

 

I was reading through the Vasishta samhita published by

Girija sankar sastri recently and came to know of facts such as -

* The actual name of the text is "Jagan

Mohana" ('Jagan mohana' is a text name mentioned by many dependable scholars

of by gone past)

* The text mentions the use "Saka year" for

some calculation and as such should be a creation after the beginning of Saka

era; i.e. after 1st century AD.

* The text is supposed to be written by some Vriddha

Vasishta but certainly this text is NOT the ancient Vasishta samhita from which

some quotes are available to us, quoted by many ancient scholars.

So I usually have a relectance in accepting texts as authentic, if

not they are really authentic; and proves their credibility when applied in

actual prediction. The same must have been the attitude of Kerala scholars and

I don't see any specialty in their approach - because they can't do anything

else in a place astrology is practical science used daily, respected by people,

and solid derivations are demanded from the astrologer. Thus the astrologer is

forced to identify which book is trustworthy and which is not - of course accepting

the fact that some gems would be present even in trash.

Just sharing my awareness about Kerala astrologers and the systems

followed and accepted there.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

 

, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > I think you also find mention of Arudha and Jaimini) in Uttara Kalamrita > which is certainly a text from South of India. I am sure Jyotish in > south is much more ancient than the times of Varaha Mihira and Saravali, > for them to be the only standards to be followed there. I remember that > there are many astrologers in Andhra who predict on the basis of Jaimini > and that is also South India. Of course this is my personal opinion and > others could hold a different view.> > Chandrashekhar.> > Sreenadh wrote:> >> > Dear Renu ji,> > Arudha supposedly belived to be told by Parasara in BPHS and some > > Jaimini is NOT part of ancient system of astrology followed by Rishi > > Hora whether it be Arsha School, Jain School or Yavana school. > > Arudha the word means (On which the native sat or stand), is used as > > a referel point (starting point) similar to lagna in Prashna in south > > india. But there is no similarity or relation between the > > Jaiminian/Parasarian Arudha and the South Indian concept of Arudha. > > In any case the Rishi Horas DOES NOT speak about Arudha. So if we > > DON'T FIND the coherence of subject matter found with in Rishi horas > > in tw0 texts of doubtful origin (such as BPHS and Jaimini Sutra), I > > w0uld prefer to accept the matter which tallies with the other Rishi > > horas and discard the other - which without doubt the south indian > > astrologers were doing in recent centuries. > > The current form of BPHS and Jaimini Sutra with numerous references > > to weird concepts such as Arudha, Pranapada, Argala, Rasi drishti and > > so on could be a creation from Varanasi after 5th century AD. This is > > my personal opinion. Of course these texts may contain much valid > > material and valuable content - I am not against them - but it should > > be accepted that these texts are NOT in tune with "Traditional Ancient > > Indian Astrology". This is one of the fundamental reasons for the > > rejection of BPHS and Jaimini sutra by many scholars and preferring > > Brihat Jataka and Saravali as base texts - especially in South India. > > What ever I told above are facts, even though more than 60% of the > > group members may not agree with it, and even though it may cause > > turbulant arguments. > > Note: I request members to consider the above as my individual > > opinion and neglect this mail. I don't want a controversy - but just > > wanted to convey my sincere opinion.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , "renunw" renunw@ > > wrote:> > Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My Reading)> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > Thanks for beautifully explaining...as usual. I like the > > following:"Astrology tells us NOT mainly about the persona, but about > > the real individual behind! "> >> > Ultimately it is the real individual behind .....that every wife > > tries hard to understand. After all the thoughts of a wife are > > centred [7H kendra] around her husband's every action.> >> > " So the point is - this capability of astrology to 'look into the > > individual' rather than to 'projected image' IS important ...."> >> > Isn't the projected individual shown by Arudha Lagna.?...just a > > second..I may be wrong here. > >> > Note: By the way the only major statement I would disagree in the > > above reading in my case is - "He may lie, his mind wavering" and > > everything else I would agree as part of my basic human trait.> >> > Even if you didn't mention it ...I would have taken your word > > without the slightest doubt So is Sreeram ji's. It is not > > difficult to see through a persons writings :) > >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kishore ji,

Regarding the meaning of the word Arudha is -

"Arudhatwal Prischakena rasir arudha uchyate" (It is

because the qurent sits/stands on it, that is why that sign is called arudha) tells Prasnamarga.

Actually this meaning of the word 'Arudha' is not a simple contextual meaning

alone but a Nirukta based one - i.e 'Arudyte iti arudha'. The roof

of a building (the the roof Skelton) is also known as Arudha due to the

very same reason; because it climbes up and sits on top of the walls.

 

But you have started mentioning some new meaning to this word

based on some one's words; I don't know from where the reference comes.

==>

> On the other hand, Arudha in jataka method is the too obvious about the

> Self. You are not one but three-

> The one who others think you are

> The one who you think you are

> The One who you really are.

<==

I request you to provide the related authentic quote - i.e. sloka

or sutra from ancient texts.

Also the quote regarding the following as well.

==>

> Similary, in Astrology also, you are not one three or even four.

> The Sun position shows your behaviourall patterns

> The Moon position shows your mental patterns

> The Arudha position shows what others percieve you- the too obvious

portion

> of your Self

> And it is the Lagna that shows you really are.

<==

Since we are dealing with ancient indian astrology - here in

this group we are supposed to go only based on clear references and quotes.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Arudha means what can be seen from a distance ie some thing too obvious.> > The dilemma of Sreenadh arose particularly for this reason(at least, I think> so) that Arudha the obvious is used to mean for two different things in> Jatakam and Prsna.> > Sreenadh being more acquainted with the technical nomenclature of Temple> Questions, he sees Arudha in a different way than the people who are more> aquainted with Arudha systems in jataka paramparas.> > Arudha in prsna simply means what you can see from the enquirer- in very> basic way, the place(the sign) where he is sitting(from the jyotish).> Sreenadh is more competent to elaborarate on this. These are the things> which are too obvious in prsna-where the enquirer is sitting, what are his> expressions, what is his body language and how eager or fidgety he is to> express his thoughts> > On the other hand, Arudha in jataka method is the too obvious about the> Self.> > You are not one but three-> > The one who others think you are> The one who you think you are> The One who you really are.> > Similary, in Astrology also, you are not one three or even four.> > The Sun position shows your behaviourall patterns> The Moon position shows your mental patterns> The Arudha position shows what others percieve you- the too obvious portion> of your Self> And it is the Lagna that shows you really are.> > Hope this helps,> > kishore patnaik>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kishore ji,

Where would have been this system of 'Arudha'

originated? I mean the state - any solid suggestions? As per your

opinian - will it be in Andhra or in Orissa?

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "kishore patnaik" <kishorepatnaik09 wrote:>> Sorry to forget the last point:> > concepts of Arudha systems are traditionally very famous in Upper south> like Andhra pradesh (Rajahmundhry ) and borders of AP and Orissa. I have> learnt this sytem(or more appropriately heard of it) when I was eight !> > Late Divakaruni Venkata Subba raoji , under who one very senior astrologer> from Hyderabad has studied astrology, was highly proficient in Arudha> systems. One more name that immediately springs to my mind is Patelji> whose book System of Arudha predictions is very useful for both beginners> and advanced studies alike.> > hope this helps,> > Kishore patnaik> > > > > On 1/19/08, kishore patnaik kishorepatnaik09 wrote:> >> > Arudha means what can be seen from a distance ie some thing too obvious.> >> > The dilemma of Sreenadh arose particularly for this reason(at least, I> > think so) that Arudha the obvious is used to mean for two different things> > in Jatakam and Prsna.> >> > Sreenadh being more acquainted with the technical nomenclature of Temple> > Questions, he sees Arudha in a different way than the people who are more> > aquainted with Arudha systems in jataka paramparas.> >> > Arudha in prsna simply means what you can see from the enquirer- in very> > basic way, the place(the sign) where he is sitting(from the jyotish).> > Sreenadh is more competent to elaborarate on this. These are the things> > which are too obvious in prsna-where the enquirer is sitting, what are his> > expressions, what is his body language and how eager or fidgety he is to> > express his thoughts> >> > On the other hand, Arudha in jataka method is the too obvious about the> > Self.> >> > You are not one but three-> >> > The one who others think you are> > The one who you think you are> > The One who you really are.> >> > Similary, in Astrology also, you are not one three or even four.> >> > The Sun position shows your behaviourall patterns> > The Moon position shows your mental patterns> > The Arudha position shows what others percieve you- the too obvious> > portion of your Self> > And it is the Lagna that shows you really are.> >> > Hope this helps,> >> > kishore patnaik> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Kishore,

 

If memory serves me right, Arudha means mounted it is derived from

"ruh". By the way, in Prashna the place where the querist is sitting is

not the only way of finding out the Arudha.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

kishore patnaik wrote:

 

 

Arudha means what can be seen from a distance ie some thing too

obvious.

 

The dilemma of Sreenadh arose particularly for this reason(at

least, I think so) that Arudha the obvious is used to mean for two

different things in Jatakam and Prsna.

 

Sreenadh being more acquainted with the technical nomenclature

of Temple Questions, he sees Arudha in a different way than the people

who are more aquainted with Arudha systems in jataka paramparas.

 

Arudha in prsna simply means what you can see from the enquirer-

in very basic way, the place(the sign) where he is sitting(from the

jyotish). Sreenadh is more competent to elaborarate on this. These

are the things which are too obvious in prsna-where the enquirer is

sitting, what are his expressions, what is his body language and how

eager or fidgety he is to express his thoughts

 

 

On the other hand, Arudha in jataka method is the too obvious

about the Self.

 

You are not one but three-

 

The one who others think you are

The one who you think you are

The One who you really are.

 

Similary, in Astrology also, you are not one three or even four.

 

 

The Sun position shows your behaviourall patterns

The Moon position shows your mental patterns

The Arudha position shows what others percieve you- the too

obvious portion of your Self

And it is the Lagna that shows you really are.

 

Hope this helps,

 

kishore patnaik

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadhji,

 

It seems you were referring to only Kerala astrologers when you said

South India astrologers. By the way, I have an old manuscript that is

Krishnananda Saraswati's commentary on Jaimini but nowhere does it

mention the name of the text as Jagan mohan. Gopal Nawathe also found

one manuscript in Pen in distant history and he too does not mention

the name Jagan Mohan. There are umpteen commentaries on Jaimini sutras

including one by a contemporary of Varaha Mihira. This means it

predates or is contemporary to Varaha Mihira and certainly predates

Saravali. There is no mention of Shaka in the texts. So the name

referred to in Vasishtha-samhita by Girija Shankar does not appear to

refer to Jaimini sutras.

 

One question that troubles me no end, when people swear by Varaha

Mihira and Saravali being continuation of great ancient tradition of

Sage told astrology, is that whereas Varaha Mihira mentions Rahu and

Ketu, Saravali does not. How is this anomaly rationalized? Surely the

sages did not change their views on Rahu and Ketu after Varaha Mihira.

 

Regards,

Chandrashekhar.

 

 

 

Sreenadh wrote:

 

 

 

Dear

Chandrasekhar ji,

Possibly astrology the south has a better ancient history

than Brihat Jataka of 6th century and Saravali of 10th century - as

evident from the fact that may Kalidina Ahargana mentioned there dates

far

back, and also because the at least the south indian tradition of

normal

astrology dates back to the period of Vararuchi who is supposed to be

the

originater of KTPY system of number notation. Further Nadi system of

astrology

must have been popular there as evident from the fact that Chandra Kala

nadi,

Surya nadi and Chandra nadi etc are of Kerala origin. Further numerous

sage quotes from Skanda hora, Brihat Prajapatya, Sounaka hora, Vasishta

hora

etc is available in south which seems to be unavailable in north - and

the

kerala astrologers makes extensive use of them. But the point I wanted

to

make is that Brihat Jataka and Saravali are considered the continuation

of this

great ancient tradition of sage told astrology in South India;

while BPHS and Jaimni sutra are not at all popular. Even though

scholars

value the knowledge present in Uttara kalamrita, that too is NOT

considered as

a popular and dependable reference in Kerala; actually that text got

translated

in to Malayalam script recently only. But on the other hand

Madhaveeya,

Krishneeya, Dasadhyayi, Muhurta Padavi, Prasna anushtna padhati,

Prasnamarga, Phaladeepika etc are well popular, extensively used, and

well accepted. Jataka parijata is popular but it seems that

scholars are selective in accepting the quotes from it too. As far as

siddhantic tradition is concerned Kerala follows the Aryabhateeya

school and

the texts like Drig ganita and Karana paddhati and numerous later day

texts

originated in Kerala itself.

==>

> I remember that there are many astrologers in Andhra who predict

on the

> basis of Jaimini and that is also South India.

<==

Yes, you could be right. On seeing the extensive use of KTPY system

in

Jaimini sutra, I have even the feeling that the text itself could be a

creation

of some south indian scholar who was well versed in the system. But

the

background info regarding this text is so misty. I don't have any idea

about the facts such as -

* In which region of India

this system was practiced and popular earlier?

* From where and when the manuscript is retrieved and who

published Jaimini sutra first?

* What were the efforts and results of dating

Jaiminisutra till date?

and so on.

 

I was reading through the Vasishta samhita published by

Girija sankar sastri recently and came to know of facts such as -

* The actual name of the text is "Jagan

Mohana" ('Jagan mohana' is a text name mentioned by many dependable

scholars

of by gone past)

* The text mentions the use "Saka year" for

some calculation and as such should be a creation after the beginning

of Saka

era; i.e. after 1st century AD.

* The text is supposed to be written by some Vriddha

Vasishta but certainly this text is NOT the ancient Vasishta samhita

from which

some quotes are available to us, quoted by many ancient scholars.

So I usually have a relectance in accepting texts as authentic, if

not they are really authentic; and proves their credibility when

applied in

actual prediction. The same must have been the attitude of Kerala

scholars and

I don't see any specialty in their approach - because they can't do

anything

else in a place astrology is practical science used daily, respected by

people,

and solid derivations are demanded from the astrologer. Thus the

astrologer is

forced to identify which book is trustworthy and which is not - of

course accepting

the fact that some gems would be present even in trash.

Just sharing my awareness about Kerala astrologers and the systems

followed and accepted there.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

 

,

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> I think you also find mention of Arudha and Jaimini) in Uttara

Kalamrita

> which is certainly a text from South of India. I am sure Jyotish

in

> south is much more ancient than the times of Varaha Mihira and

Saravali,

> for them to be the only standards to be followed there. I remember

that

> there are many astrologers in Andhra who predict on the basis of

Jaimini

> and that is also South India. Of course this is my personal

opinion and

> others could hold a different view.

>

> Chandrashekhar.

>

> Sreenadh wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renu ji,

> > Arudha supposedly belived to be told by Parasara in BPHS and

some

> > Jaimini is NOT part of ancient system of astrology followed

by Rishi

> > Hora whether it be Arsha School, Jain School or Yavana

school.

> > Arudha the word means (On which the native sat or stand), is

used as

> > a referel point (starting point) similar to lagna in Prashna

in south

> > india. But there is no similarity or relation between the

> > Jaiminian/Parasarian Arudha and the South Indian concept

of Arudha.

> > In any case the Rishi Horas DOES NOT speak about Arudha. So

if we

> > DON'T FIND the coherence of subject matter found with in

Rishi horas

> > in tw0 texts of doubtful origin (such as BPHS and Jaimini

Sutra), I

> > w0uld prefer to accept the matter which tallies with the

other Rishi

> > horas and discard the other - which without doubt the south

indian

> > astrologers were doing in recent centuries.

> > The current form of BPHS and Jaimini Sutra with numerous

references

> > to weird concepts such as Arudha, Pranapada, Argala, Rasi

drishti and

> > so on could be a creation from Varanasi after 5th century AD.

This is

> > my personal opinion. Of course these texts may contain much

valid

> > material and valuable content - I am not against them - but

it should

> > be accepted that these texts are NOT in tune with

"Traditional Ancient

> > Indian Astrology". This is one of the fundamental reasons for

the

> > rejection of BPHS and Jaimini sutra by many scholars and

preferring

> > Brihat Jataka and Saravali as base texts - especially in

South India.

> > What ever I told above are facts, even though more than 60%

of the

> > group members may not agree with it, and even though it may

cause

> > turbulant arguments.

> > Note: I request members to consider the above as my

individual

> > opinion and neglect this mail. I don't want a controversy -

but just

> > wanted to convey my sincere opinion.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ,

"renunw" renunw@

> > wrote:

> > Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My Reading)

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > Thanks for beautifully explaining...as usual. I like the

 

> > following:"Astrology tells us NOT mainly about the

persona, but about

> > the real individual behind! "

> >

> > Ultimately it is the real individual behind .....that every

wife

> > tries hard to understand. After all the thoughts of a wife

are

> > centred [7H kendra] around her husband's every action.

> >

> > " So the point is - this capability of astrology to 'look

into the

> > individual' rather than to 'projected image' IS important

....."

> >

> > Isn't the projected individual shown by Arudha Lagna.?...just

a

> > second..I may be wrong here.

> >

> > Note: By the way the only major statement I would disagree in

the

> > above reading in my case is - "He may lie, his mind wavering"

and

> > everything else I would agree as part of my basic human trait.

> >

> > Even if you didn't mention it ...I would have taken your word

 

> > without the slightest doubt So is Sreeram ji's. It is not

> > difficult to see through a persons writings :)

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Chandrasekhar ji,

==>

> I have an old manuscript that is

> Krishnananda Saraswati's commentary on Jaimini but nowhere does it

> mention the name of the text as Jagan mohan. Gopal Nawathe also found

> one manuscript in Pen in distant history and he too does not mention the

> name Jagan Mohan.

<==

Who said that Jaimini Sutra is Jagan mohan? -You? I never said so!

Please read the mail and answer. What I mentioned in the course of

writing was that - "The text with the name 'Vasishta Samhita' published

recently is actually a well popular text named 'Jagan Mohana' " - that

statement has nothing to do with Jaimini sutra!

What happened to you - it seems that you started typing without reading

the mail itself - providing the assumed meaning from your mind. Ya, it happens to us all at times.

==>

> There are umpteen commentaries on Jaimini sutras

> including one by a contemporary of Varaha Mihira. This means it predates

> or is contemporary to Varaha Mihira and certainly predates Saravali.

<==

That is a good news. Please give commentators name and from where the said comentry can be availed. Thanks for the info.

==>

> There is no mention of Shaka in the texts. So the name referred to in

> Vasishtha-samhita by Girija Shankar does not appear to refer to Jaimini

> sutras.

<==

You are again utterly confused - please note and

know that Vasihsta samhita and Jaimini sutra are different texts.

The story related to recently published 'Vasishta Samhita' is

given just to show that many texts of recent origin got ascribed to

ancient sages.

==>

> One question that troubles me no end, when people swear by Varaha Mihira

> and Saravali being continuation of great ancient tradition of Sage told

> astrology, is that whereas Varaha Mihira mentions Rahu and Ketu,

> Saravali does not. How is this anomaly rationalized? Surely the sages

> did not change their views on Rahu and Ketu after Varaha Mihira.

<==

There are many yogas in Saravali that mentions and

uses Rahu and Ketu. Further which version of Saravali you are having?

60 chapter version? 108 chapter version? Or is it the 90 chapter

version?

Note that Kalyanavarma himself tells to us in Saravli that the book is

being written to COMPLIMENT Varaha hora. I hope you see the

point.

I don't think, except the statement of the author of Saravali itself

and the dependablity of Saravali quotes, we don't need a third

party clarification to see the point that Saravali is a continuation of

the Rishi Hora tradition.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > It seems you were referring to only Kerala astrologers when you said > South India astrologers. By the way, I have an old manuscript that is > Krishnananda Saraswati's commentary on Jaimini but nowhere does it > mention the name of the text as Jagan mohan. Gopal Nawathe also found > one manuscript in Pen in distant history and he too does not mention the > name Jagan Mohan. There are umpteen commentaries on Jaimini sutras > including one by a contemporary of Varaha Mihira. This means it predates > or is contemporary to Varaha Mihira and certainly predates Saravali. > There is no mention of Shaka in the texts. So the name referred to in > Vasishtha-samhita by Girija Shankar does not appear to refer to Jaimini > sutras.> > One question that troubles me no end, when people swear by Varaha Mihira > and Saravali being continuation of great ancient tradition of Sage told > astrology, is that whereas Varaha Mihira mentions Rahu and Ketu, > Saravali does not. How is this anomaly rationalized? Surely the sages > did not change their views on Rahu and Ketu after Varaha Mihira.> > Regards,> Chandrashekhar.> > > > Sreenadh wrote:> >> > Dear Chandrasekhar ji,> > Possibly astrology the south has a better ancient history than > > Brihat Jataka of 6th century and Saravali of 10th century - as > > evident from the fact that may Kalidina Ahargana mentioned there dates > > far back, and also because the at least the south indian tradition of > > normal astrology dates back to the period of Vararuchi who is supposed > > to be the originater of KTPY system of number notation. Further Nadi > > system of astrology must have been popular there as evident from the > > fact that Chandra Kala nadi, Surya nadi and Chandra nadi etc are of > > Kerala origin. Further numerous sage quotes from Skanda hora, Brihat > > Prajapatya, Sounaka hora, Vasishta hora etc is available in south > > which seems to be unavailable in north - and the kerala astrologers > > makes extensive use of them. But the point I wanted to make is that > > Brihat Jataka and Saravali are considered the continuation of this > > great ancient tradition of sage told astrology in South India; while > > BPHS and Jaimni sutra are not at all popular. Even though scholars > > value the knowledge present in Uttara kalamrita, that too is NOT > > considered as a popular and dependable reference in Kerala; actually > > that text got translated in to Malayalam script recently only. But on > > the other hand Madhaveeya, Krishneeya, Dasadhyayi, Muhurta Padavi, > > Prasna anushtna padhati, Prasnamarga, Phaladeepika etc are well > > popular, extensively used, and well accepted. Jataka parijata is > > popular but it seems that scholars are selective in accepting the > > quotes from it too. As far as siddhantic tradition is concerned > > Kerala follows the Aryabhateeya school and the texts like Drig ganita > > and Karana paddhati and numerous later day texts originated in Kerala > > itself.> > ==>> > > I remember that there are many astrologers in Andhra who predict on the> > > basis of Jaimini and that is also South India.> > <==> > Yes, you could be right. On seeing the extensive use of KTPY system > > in Jaimini sutra, I have even the feeling that the text itself could > > be a creation of some south indian scholar who was well versed in the > > system. But the background info regarding this text is so misty. I > > don't have any idea about the facts such as -> > * In which region of India this system was practiced and popular > > earlier?> > * From where and when the manuscript is retrieved and who > > published Jaimini sutra first?> > * What were the efforts and results of dating Jaiminisutra till > > date? > > and so on. > >> > I was reading through the Vasishta samhita published by Girija > > sankar sastri recently and came to know of facts such as -> > * The actual name of the text is "Jagan Mohana" ('Jagan mohana' > > is a text name mentioned by many dependable scholars of by gone past)> > * The text mentions the use "Saka year" for some calculation and > > as such should be a creation after the beginning of Saka era; i.e. > > after 1st century AD.> > * The text is supposed to be written by some Vriddha Vasishta but > > certainly this text is NOT the ancient Vasishta samhita from which > > some quotes are available to us, quoted by many ancient scholars.> > > > So I usually have a relectance in accepting texts as authentic, if > > not they are really authentic; and proves their credibility when > > applied in actual prediction. The same must have been the attitude of > > Kerala scholars and I don't see any specialty in their approach - > > because they can't do anything else in a place astrology is practical > > science used daily, respected by people, and solid derivations are > > demanded from the astrologer. Thus the astrologer is forced to > > identify which book is trustworthy and which is not - of course > > accepting the fact that some gems would be present even in trash.> > Just sharing my awareness about Kerala astrologers and the systems > > followed and accepted there. > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , Chandrashekhar > > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadhji,> > >> > > I think you also find mention of Arudha and Jaimini) in Uttara > > Kalamrita> > > which is certainly a text from South of India. I am sure Jyotish in> > > south is much more ancient than the times of Varaha Mihira and > > Saravali,> > > for them to be the only standards to be followed there. I remember that> > > there are many astrologers in Andhra who predict on the basis of > > Jaimini> > > and that is also South India. Of course this is my personal opinion and> > > others could hold a different view.> > >> > > Chandrashekhar.> > >> > > Sreenadh wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > > Arudha supposedly belived to be told by Parasara in BPHS and some> > > > Jaimini is NOT part of ancient system of astrology followed by Rishi> > > > Hora whether it be Arsha School, Jain School or Yavana school.> > > > Arudha the word means (On which the native sat or stand), is used as> > > > a referel point (starting point) similar to lagna in Prashna in south> > > > india. But there is no similarity or relation between the> > > > Jaiminian/Parasarian Arudha and the South Indian concept of Arudha.> > > > In any case the Rishi Horas DOES NOT speak about Arudha. So if we> > > > DON'T FIND the coherence of subject matter found with in Rishi horas> > > > in tw0 texts of doubtful origin (such as BPHS and Jaimini Sutra), I> > > > w0uld prefer to accept the matter which tallies with the other Rishi> > > > horas and discard the other - which without doubt the south indian> > > > astrologers were doing in recent centuries.> > > > The current form of BPHS and Jaimini Sutra with numerous references> > > > to weird concepts such as Arudha, Pranapada, Argala, Rasi drishti and> > > > so on could be a creation from Varanasi after 5th century AD. This is> > > > my personal opinion. Of course these texts may contain much valid> > > > material and valuable content - I am not against them - but it should> > > > be accepted that these texts are NOT in tune with "Traditional > > Ancient> > > > Indian Astrology". This is one of the fundamental reasons for the> > > > rejection of BPHS and Jaimini sutra by many scholars and preferring> > > > Brihat Jataka and Saravali as base texts - especially in South India.> > > > What ever I told above are facts, even though more than 60% of the> > > > group members may not agree with it, and even though it may cause> > > > turbulant arguments.> > > > Note: I request members to consider the above as my individual> > > > opinion and neglect this mail. I don't want a controversy - but just> > > > wanted to convey my sincere opinion.> > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "renunw" renunw@> > > > wrote:> > > > Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My Reading)> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > >> > > > Thanks for beautifully explaining...as usual. I like the> > > > following:"Astrology tells us NOT mainly about the persona, but about> > > > the real individual behind! "> > > >> > > > Ultimately it is the real individual behind .....that every wife> > > > tries hard to understand. After all the thoughts of a wife are> > > > centred [7H kendra] around her husband's every action.> > > >> > > > " So the point is - this capability of astrology to 'look into the> > > > individual' rather than to 'projected image' IS important ...."> > > >> > > > Isn't the projected individual shown by Arudha Lagna.?...just a> > > > second..I may be wrong here.> > > >> > > > Note: By the way the only major statement I would disagree in the> > > > above reading in my case is - "He may lie, his mind wavering" and> > > > everything else I would agree as part of my basic human trait.> > > >> > > > Even if you didn't mention it ...I would have taken your word> > > > without the slightest doubt So is Sreeram ji's. It is not> > > > difficult to see through a persons writings :) > > > >> > > > blessings> > > >> > > > Renu> > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadhji,

 

You wrote about Jagan mohan and Vashistha hora in the same stream,

where you were questioning the efforts to date Jaimini sutras. If you

think I am writing without reading the mails, I have no desire to

remain on the list to which you invited me.

 

Since you do not seem to be interested in knowing about other texts

than Prashna Marga, it is futile to give you the commentators names.

 

If as you claim Saravali has different editions with different number

of chapters, then the reason that BPHS is questioned is equally applied

here. How can then one take the word of Saravali author (who, by the

way, is from North India, as is Varaha Mihira) to be sacrosanct?

 

I am sure you will reflect on this sometime.

 

I take your and the groups leave now.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

Sreenadh wrote:

 

 

Dear Chandrasekhar ji,

==>

> I have an old manuscript that is

> Krishnananda Saraswati's commentary on Jaimini but nowhere does it

 

> mention the name of the text as Jagan mohan. Gopal Nawathe also

found

> one manuscript in Pen in distant history and he too does not

mention the

> name Jagan Mohan.

<==

Who said that Jaimini Sutra is Jagan mohan? -You? I never said so!

Please read the mail and answer. What I mentioned in the course of

writing was that - "The text with the name 'Vasishta Samhita' published

recently is actually a well popular text named 'Jagan Mohana' " - that

statement has nothing to do with Jaimini sutra!

What happened to you - it seems that you started typing without reading

the mail itself - providing the assumed meaning from your mind. Ya, it happens to us all at times.

==>

> There are umpteen commentaries on Jaimini sutras

> including one by a contemporary of Varaha Mihira. This means it

predates

> or is contemporary to Varaha Mihira and certainly predates

Saravali.

<==

That is a good news. Please give commentators name and

from where the said comentry can be availed. Thanks for the info.

==>

> There is no mention of Shaka in the texts. So the name referred to

in

> Vasishtha-samhita by Girija Shankar does not appear to refer to

Jaimini

> sutras.

<==

You are again utterly confused - please note and

know that Vasihsta samhita and Jaimini sutra are different texts.

The story related to recently published 'Vasishta Samhita' is

given just to show that many texts of recent origin got ascribed to

ancient sages.

==>

> One question that troubles me no end, when people swear by Varaha

Mihira

> and Saravali being continuation of great ancient tradition of Sage

told

> astrology, is that whereas Varaha Mihira mentions Rahu and Ketu,

> Saravali does not. How is this anomaly rationalized? Surely the

sages

> did not change their views on Rahu and Ketu after Varaha Mihira.

<==

There are many yogas in Saravali that mentions and

uses Rahu and Ketu. Further which version of Saravali you are having?

60 chapter version? 108 chapter version? Or is it the 90 chapter

version?

Note that Kalyanavarma himself tells to us in Saravli that the book is

being written to COMPLIMENT Varaha hora. I hope you see the

point.

I don't think, except the statement of the author of Saravali itself

and the dependablity of Saravali quotes, we don't need a third

party clarification to see the point that Saravali is a continuation of

the Rishi Hora tradition.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

,

Chandrashekhar <sharma.chandrashekhar wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> It seems you were referring to only Kerala astrologers when you

said

> South India astrologers. By the way, I have an old manuscript that

is

> Krishnananda Saraswati's commentary on Jaimini but nowhere does it

 

> mention the name of the text as Jagan mohan. Gopal Nawathe also

found

> one manuscript in Pen in distant history and he too does not

mention the

> name Jagan Mohan. There are umpteen commentaries on Jaimini sutras

 

> including one by a contemporary of Varaha Mihira. This means it

predates

> or is contemporary to Varaha Mihira and certainly predates

Saravali.

> There is no mention of Shaka in the texts. So the name referred to

in

> Vasishtha-samhita by Girija Shankar does not appear to refer to

Jaimini

> sutras.

>

> One question that troubles me no end, when people swear by Varaha

Mihira

> and Saravali being continuation of great ancient tradition of Sage

told

> astrology, is that whereas Varaha Mihira mentions Rahu and Ketu,

> Saravali does not. How is this anomaly rationalized? Surely the

sages

> did not change their views on Rahu and Ketu after Varaha Mihira.

>

> Regards,

> Chandrashekhar.

>

>

>

> Sreenadh wrote:

> >

> > Dear Chandrasekhar ji,

> > Possibly astrology the south has a better ancient history

than

> > Brihat Jataka of 6th century and Saravali of 10th century -

as

> > evident from the fact that may Kalidina Ahargana mentioned

there dates

> > far back, and also because the at least the south indian

tradition of

> > normal astrology dates back to the period of Vararuchi who is

supposed

> > to be the originater of KTPY system of number notation.

Further Nadi

> > system of astrology must have been popular there as evident

from the

> > fact that Chandra Kala nadi, Surya nadi and Chandra nadi etc

are of

> > Kerala origin. Further numerous sage quotes from Skanda hora,

Brihat

> > Prajapatya, Sounaka hora, Vasishta hora etc is available in

south

> > which seems to be unavailable in north - and the kerala

astrologers

> > makes extensive use of them. But the point I wanted to make

is that

> > Brihat Jataka and Saravali are considered the continuation of

this

> > great ancient tradition of sage told astrology in South

India; while

> > BPHS and Jaimni sutra are not at all popular. Even though

scholars

> > value the knowledge present in Uttara kalamrita, that too is

NOT

> > considered as a popular and dependable reference in Kerala;

actually

> > that text got translated in to Malayalam script recently

only. But on

> > the other hand Madhaveeya, Krishneeya, Dasadhyayi, Muhurta

Padavi,

> > Prasna anushtna padhati, Prasnamarga, Phaladeepika etc are

well

> > popular, extensively used, and well accepted. Jataka parijata

is

> > popular but it seems that scholars are selective in accepting

the

> > quotes from it too. As far as siddhantic tradition is

concerned

> > Kerala follows the Aryabhateeya school and the texts like

Drig ganita

> > and Karana paddhati and numerous later day texts originated

in Kerala

> > itself.

> > ==>

> > > I remember that there are many astrologers in Andhra who

predict on the

> > > basis of Jaimini and that is also South India.

> > <==

> > Yes, you could be right. On seeing the extensive use of KTPY

system

> > in Jaimini sutra, I have even the feeling that the text

itself could

> > be a creation of some south indian scholar who was well

versed in the

> > system. But the background info regarding this text is so

misty. I

> > don't have any idea about the facts such as -

> > * In which region of India this system was practiced and

popular

> > earlier?

> > * From where and when the manuscript is retrieved and who

> > published Jaimini sutra first?

> > * What were the efforts and results of dating Jaiminisutra

till

> > date?

> > and so on.

> >

> > I was reading through the Vasishta samhita published by

Girija

> > sankar sastri recently and came to know of facts such as -

> > * The actual name of the text is "Jagan Mohana" ('Jagan

mohana'

> > is a text name mentioned by many dependable scholars of by

gone past)

> > * The text mentions the use "Saka year" for some calculation

and

> > as such should be a creation after the beginning of Saka era;

i.e.

> > after 1st century AD.

> > * The text is supposed to be written by some Vriddha Vasishta

but

> > certainly this text is NOT the ancient Vasishta samhita from

which

> > some quotes are available to us, quoted by many ancient

scholars.

> >

> > So I usually have a relectance in accepting texts as

authentic, if

> > not they are really authentic; and proves their credibility

when

> > applied in actual prediction. The same must have been the

attitude of

> > Kerala scholars and I don't see any specialty in their

approach -

> > because they can't do anything else in a place astrology is

practical

> > science used daily, respected by people, and solid

derivations are

> > demanded from the astrologer. Thus the astrologer is forced

to

> > identify which book is trustworthy and which is not - of

course

> > accepting the fact that some gems would be present even in

trash.

> > Just sharing my awareness about Kerala astrologers and the

systems

> > followed and accepted there.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ,

Chandrashekhar

> > sharma.chandrashekhar@ wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > >

> > > I think you also find mention of Arudha and Jaimini) in

Uttara

> > Kalamrita

> > > which is certainly a text from South of India. I am sure

Jyotish in

> > > south is much more ancient than the times of Varaha

Mihira and

> > Saravali,

> > > for them to be the only standards to be followed there.

I remember that

> > > there are many astrologers in Andhra who predict on the

basis of

> > Jaimini

> > > and that is also South India. Of course this is my

personal opinion and

> > > others could hold a different view.

> > >

> > > Chandrashekhar.

> > >

> > > Sreenadh wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Renu ji,

> > > > Arudha supposedly belived to be told by Parasara in

BPHS and some

> > > > Jaimini is NOT part of ancient system of astrology

followed by Rishi

> > > > Hora whether it be Arsha School, Jain School or

Yavana school.

> > > > Arudha the word means (On which the native sat or

stand), is used as

> > > > a referel point (starting point) similar to lagna

in Prashna in south

> > > > india. But there is no similarity or relation

between the

> > > > Jaiminian/Parasarian Arudha and the South

Indian concept of Arudha.

> > > > In any case the Rishi Horas DOES NOT speak about

Arudha. So if we

> > > > DON'T FIND the coherence of subject matter found

with in Rishi horas

> > > > in tw0 texts of doubtful origin (such as BPHS and

Jaimini Sutra), I

> > > > w0uld prefer to accept the matter which tallies

with the other Rishi

> > > > horas and discard the other - which without doubt

the south indian

> > > > astrologers were doing in recent centuries.

> > > > The current form of BPHS and Jaimini Sutra with

numerous references

> > > > to weird concepts such as Arudha, Pranapada,

Argala, Rasi drishti and

> > > > so on could be a creation from Varanasi after 5th

century AD. This is

> > > > my personal opinion. Of course these texts may

contain much valid

> > > > material and valuable content - I am not against

them - but it should

> > > > be accepted that these texts are NOT in tune with

"Traditional

> > Ancient

> > > > Indian Astrology". This is one of the fundamental

reasons for the

> > > > rejection of BPHS and Jaimini sutra by many

scholars and preferring

> > > > Brihat Jataka and Saravali as base texts -

especially in South India.

> > > > What ever I told above are facts, even though more

than 60% of the

> > > > group members may not agree with it, and even

though it may cause

> > > > turbulant arguments.

> > > > Note: I request members to consider the above as my

individual

> > > > opinion and neglect this mail. I don't want a

controversy - but just

> > > > wanted to convey my sincere opinion.

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > > ,

"renunw" renunw@

> > > > wrote:

> > > > Re:2nd lord in 3rd house - what do you think? (My

Reading)

> > > >

> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > >

> > > > Thanks for beautifully explaining...as usual.

I like the

> > > > following:"Astrology tells us NOT mainly about

the persona, but about

> > > > the real individual behind! "

> > > >

> > > > Ultimately it is the real individual behind

......that every wife

> > > > tries hard to understand. After all the thoughts of

a wife are

> > > > centred [7H kendra] around her husband's every

action.

> > > >

> > > > " So the point is - this capability of astrology to

'look into the

> > > > individual' rather than to 'projected image' IS

important ...."

> > > >

> > > > Isn't the projected individual shown by Arudha

Lagna.?...just a

> > > > second..I may be wrong here.

> > > >

> > > > Note: By the way the only major statement I would

disagree in the

> > > > above reading in my case is - "He may lie, his mind

wavering" and

> > > > everything else I would agree as part of my basic

human trait.

> > > >

> > > > Even if you didn't mention it ...I would have taken

your word

> > > > without the slightest doubt So is Sreeram ji's.

It is not

> > > > difficult to see through a persons writings :)

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

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