Bhava Nash Karo Jeeva...Bhava Vriddhhi Karau Shani...

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Dear friends,

 

Sani, Rahu and Guru have always fascinated me.

I did some work on Rahu and that quest also led me to some thinking

on Karakatwa.

 

I am reposting about Jupiter from my old files for the benefit of new

members.

Please view and test the adage with an open mind with your data base.

 

 

IS GURU A BENIGN/DIVINE PLANET ??

 

Brum Bruhaspataye Namah:

 

Some time back I had stated that we need to take a fresh look at

Karakatwa of planets. I did some startling work on Rahu and my quest

for Karaktwa is continuing.

I had mentioned that I will be working on Rahu, Guru and Shani.

So keeping up the tempo of my investigation in Karakatwa of Guru, I

am writing the first instalment of work on Guru.

 

I have taken the following from my article on Rahu which speaks

about need to have a rethink on Karakatwa of Rahu, Guru and Shani.

 

" It is but human nature to paint any shade in to darker and darker

shade . A small time thief becomes a demonic murderer, cheat etc.

once the story is told and retold over a period of time. A mole hill

is converted into a mountain.

 

Everything Fair in colour is seen as Fair, beautiful, good and

benign in nature and everything black is associated with worst

things you can imagine. Thus black people are termed as cheats,

crooks, dumb, fools, low in caste, of low character , menials,

diseased etc.

This obsession with dark and black has been well adopted by

astrologers of yore.

Thus Saturn, Rahu and Ketu have become mlechheas, sudras, thieves,

labourers,crooks, and whatever bad you can think of.

 

So when it came to allotting Karakatwa , venus, Jupiter, Mercury and

Sun took the best of the portfolios. Rules of astrology were formed

to fit their brightness . Sometimes square pegs were put in round

holes.

 

Jupiter, the planet shares the same name Guru , meaning Large as

Guru meaning Teacher. At some point of time, Guru the planet,

Guru , the teacher and Brihaspati, the Teacher of immortal Devas

became one .

 

Brihaspati, the Deva Guru , supposed to be of most benign nature,

pious, intelligent, Brahmin, was given many portfolios. Out of that,

portfolios of 2nd house and 5th house were also given to him. But

Guru, even though was made karaka for house of wealth, whenever he

was in 2nd bhava, the man turned into a pauper lost wealth or

suffered financially. He was given karakatva of 5th house , Santana

Bhava.But when he sits in Santana Bhava, he is found to bring the

lineage to the end.The person becomes childless.

 

How can a minister of finance occupying his own office in the place

ruled by him destroy the finances of the country ? How can the Putra

Karaka deny a son to the person if in 5th bhava ?

 

They also found that BAD Sani , increased wealth when in 2nd bhava.

 

It is like a Menial low caste servant occupying the seat of finance

in the ministry increase the wealth of the country. !!!

 

How paradoxical !!!!

 

So the old Astrologers made a byrule

to explain.

 

BHAVA NASH KARO JEEVA,

BHAVA VRIDDHHI KARAU SHANI:

 

Meaning, Jupiter destroys the bhava he occupies and saturn increases

the bhava he occupies.

 

I remember the story of olden times when a child wants Moon, the

mother brings a plate of water and asks the child to take the

reflection of Moon. "

 

And since the child believes in Mother, he accepts that moon and

stops crying. People accepted all the so called Exceptions to the

rule without questioning. In respect to Brihaspati, I found that he

is a misfit in most of the places he sits.

 

 

According to my thinking, Guru acts as a Parasite , and draws

strength from the house he occupies and distributes its goodness in

form of aspectual fruits.

In my original research on Planets and Element's Periodic table,

Jupiter becomes the lord of 6th Group.

 

JUPITER AS LORD OF 6th GROUP

 

Jupiter means JEEVA, meaning LIFE. He is the savior of Life on

earth. Oxygen means Life. No Oxygen means no life. You find oxygen

in 6th group. In astrology, Guru's aspect removes all problems and

prevents Balarishta (Infant Mortality).

 

Jupiter is Yellow in colour , he adores yellow clothes. His stone is

Yellow sapphire. He resides in a ASTHAKONA HOUSE.

 

You will find Yellow Sulphur listed in this group. Outermost shell

has 8 electrons. So he resides in ASHTKONA house. Chromium salts are

yellow.

 

Oxygen in moderation gives life.But same oxygen kills at higher

doses.Water is disinfected using over dose of oxygen .!!

Excess amount of oxygen in form of FREE RADICALS has been found to

be extremely harmful to human/all living things. Free Radicals have

been found to lower immunity and accelerate ageing process.

And this is the handiwork of Planet known as JEEVA.

 

I am posting on effects of Guru in 2nd,5th 9th and 10th houses today

to illustrate that he destroys the houses which he occupies.

 

EFFECT OF GURU IN 5TH HOUSE.

 

Male

DOB: 28.9.1954

TOB: 18.30 Hrs

POB: Madras

 

Asc: Pisces

Ketu: Gemini

Jupiter: Cancer

Moon,Sun: Virgo

Sat/Merc/Ven: Libra

Rahu/Mars: Saggitarius

 

 

Mark Guru in cancer a Female sign in 5th where Guru is in exaltation.

He has malefics in 10th house which denotes no progeny to light

funeral pyre.

 

This person is childless .

 

CASE # II

 

Male

 

DOB: 6TH July 1935

Tob : 5.34 AM

POB: Teng-t'a

101 E 12

36 N 32

 

Gemini: Asc

Gemini: Sun/Merc/Ketu

Leo: Moon/venus

Virgo : Mars

Libra : Jupiter

Saggi: Rahu

Aquarius: Saturn

 

This person has Guru in 5th house.He is unmarried and has no

children due to religious abstinence.

This horoscope belongs to His Holiness Dalai Lama.

 

CASE # III

 

GURU IN 2ND HOUSE DHANA BHAVA

 

MALE

Born ...10th Nov 1955

 

 

Janma Lagna Kataka

Vrishabha...........ketu

Simha ..............Guru

Kanya...............Moon, Mars

Tula................Saturn, Mercury, Sun

Vrischik............Rahu , Shukra

 

 

VIMSHOTTARI DASAS EXPERIENCED SO FAR,

Moon, Mars, Rahu, Guru (Presently).

 

This person has Guru in 2nd house in Leo.

 

RESULT:

 

The jataka , except for a very brief period in Guru dasa, has failed

in everything he has done. Extremely bad with money. Owes people

huge sums, no property , no permenet jobs, avoided by world and also

his own family.poverty does not leave him and presently looked after

by father inlaw.

 

 

GURU IN 8TH , AYUSHYA BHAVA.

 

Guru is termed as Jeeva, Ayushya karaka, remover of illness, when

comes and occupies 8th bhava, destroys the Ayushya or Life of a

person.

I will give two examples of such people who were killed by Guru.

 

CASE #1

 

Male:

DOB: 27.3.1972

TOB: 9.07 AM

POB: Udaipur Rajasthan

 

Taurus: Asc

Taurus: Mars/Sat

Cancer: Ketu

Leo: Moon

Saggi: Jupiter

Capri: Rahu

Pisces: Sun/Merc

 

Mark presence of Guru in the 8th bhava. The person died in a tragic

road accident in year 2001.

 

CASE # 2

 

Male

DOB: 9.11.1915

TOB: 12.15 am

POB: Porbandar India

 

Cancer : Asc

Cancer: Mars/ketu

Libra: Merc/Sun

Scorpio: Moon/Venus

Capri: Rahu

Aquarius: Jupiter

Gemini: Saturn

 

Mark Jupiter in 8th bhava.

 

The person in question died of TB at the age of 24 years.

 

To Be Continued.

 

BRUM BRUHASPATAYE NAMAH:

[Guest guest]

True. Nobody denies the fact that we paint the planets in extreme colours. Jupiter is also harmfull and the Bhava nasha capabilities are well known.

However the mere aspect of Jupiter can.... to use a correct word extract a person from his predicament when he { a certain house } is full of malefics upto no good.

Also I know a person who has Guru in the 8th house who is still alive and older to the unfortunate person in your example.

I have said it a few times in this group that rarely have I seen a person as crooked , with a twisted mind as a Debilitated Jupiter.

Also your take on Jupiter belonging to the 6th house would be interesting to explore as it is said to be powerless in that sthan.

We also forget a scientific fact of the size ( largest), gravitational pull (gurutvakarshan), and normal chaal/motion of Jupiter ( forward, retrogade retracing a majority of first forward move and then forward covering the zodiac in approx 4 months very fast- atichari).

It is, to use a similie, like an elephant - wise, satvik, big, powerfull yet mostly gentle except when it becomes angry or is a rogue ! --- On Sat, 19/1/08, nameisego <nameisego wrote:

nameisego <nameisego Bhava Nash Karo Jeeva...Bhava Vriddhhi Karau Shani... Date: Saturday, 19 January, 2008, 5:30 PM

 

 

Dear friends,Sani, Rahu and Guru have always fascinated me.I did some work on Rahu and that quest also led me to some thinking on Karakatwa.I am reposting about Jupiter from my old files for the benefit of new members.Please view and test the adage with an open mind with your data base.IS GURU A BENIGN/DIVINE PLANET ??Brum Bruhaspataye Namah:Some time back I had stated that we need to take a fresh look atKarakatwa of planets. I did some startling work on Rahu and my questfor Karaktwa is continuing.I had mentioned that I will be working on Rahu, Guru and Shani.So keeping up the tempo of my investigation in Karakatwa of Guru, Iam writing the first instalment of work on Guru.I have taken the following from my article on Rahu which speaksabout need to have a rethink on Karakatwa of Rahu, Guru and Shani."It is but human nature to paint any shade in to darker and

darkershade . A small time thief becomes a demonic murderer, cheat etc.once the story is told and retold over a period of time. A mole hillis converted into a mountain.Everything Fair in colour is seen as Fair, beautiful, good andbenign in nature and everything black is associated with worstthings you can imagine. Thus black people are termed as cheats,crooks, dumb, fools, low in caste, of low character , menials,diseased etc.This obsession with dark and black has been well adopted byastrologers of yore.Thus Saturn, Rahu and Ketu have become mlechheas, sudras, thieves,labourers,crooks, and whatever bad you can think of.So when it came to allotting Karakatwa , venus, Jupiter, Mercury andSun took the best of the portfolios. Rules of astrology were formedto fit their brightness . Sometimes square pegs were put in roundholes.Jupiter, the planet shares the same name Guru ,

meaning Large asGuru meaning Teacher. At some point of time, Guru the planet,Guru , the teacher and Brihaspati, the Teacher of immortal Devasbecame one .Brihaspati, the Deva Guru , supposed to be of most benign nature,pious, intelligent, Brahmin, was given many portfolios. Out of that,portfolios of 2nd house and 5th house were also given to him. ButGuru, even though was made karaka for house of wealth, whenever hewas in 2nd bhava, the man turned into a pauper lost wealth orsuffered financially. He was given karakatva of 5th house , SantanaBhava.But when he sits in Santana Bhava, he is found to bring thelineage to the end.The person becomes childless.How can a minister of finance occupying his own office in the placeruled by him destroy the finances of the country ? How can the PutraKaraka deny a son to the person if in 5th bhava ?They also found that BAD Sani , increased wealth when

in 2nd bhava.It is like a Menial low caste servant occupying the seat of financein the ministry increase the wealth of the country. !!!How paradoxical !!!!So the old Astrologers made a byruleto explain.BHAVA NASH KARO JEEVA,BHAVA VRIDDHHI KARAU SHANI:Meaning, Jupiter destroys the bhava he occupies and saturn increasesthe bhava he occupies.I remember the story of olden times when a child wants Moon, themother brings a plate of water and asks the child to take thereflection of Moon."And since the child believes in Mother, he accepts that moon andstops crying. People accepted all the so called Exceptions to therule without questioning. In respect to Brihaspati, I found that heis a misfit in most of the places he sits.According to my thinking, Guru acts as a Parasite , and drawsstrength from the house he occupies and distributes its goodness inform of

aspectual fruits.In my original research on Planets and Element's Periodic table,Jupiter becomes the lord of 6th Group.JUPITER AS LORD OF 6th GROUPJupiter means JEEVA, meaning LIFE. He is the savior of Life onearth. Oxygen means Life. No Oxygen means no life. You find oxygenin 6th group. In astrology, Guru's aspect removes all problems andprevents Balarishta (Infant Mortality).Jupiter is Yellow in colour , he adores yellow clothes. His stone isYellow sapphire. He resides in a ASTHAKONA HOUSE.You will find Yellow Sulphur listed in this group. Outermost shellhas 8 electrons. So he resides in ASHTKONA house. Chromium salts areyellow.Oxygen in moderation gives life.But same oxygen kills at higherdoses.Water is disinfected using over dose of oxygen .!!Excess amount of oxygen in form of FREE RADICALS has been found tobe extremely harmful to human/all living things. Free

Radicals havebeen found to lower immunity and accelerate ageing process.And this is the handiwork of Planet known as JEEVA.I am posting on effects of Guru in 2nd,5th 9th and 10th houses todayto illustrate that he destroys the houses which he occupies.EFFECT OF GURU IN 5TH HOUSE.MaleDOB: 28.9.1954TOB: 18.30 HrsPOB: MadrasAsc: PiscesKetu: GeminiJupiter: CancerMoon,Sun: VirgoSat/Merc/Ven: LibraRahu/Mars: SaggitariusMark Guru in cancer a Female sign in 5th where Guru is in exaltation.He has malefics in 10th house which denotes no progeny to lightfuneral pyre.This person is childless .CASE # IIMaleDOB: 6TH July 1935Tob : 5.34 AMPOB: Teng-t'a101 E 1236 N 32Gemini: AscGemini: Sun/Merc/KetuLeo: Moon/venusVirgo : MarsLibra : JupiterSaggi: RahuAquarius: SaturnThis person has Guru in 5th

house.He is unmarried and has nochildren due to religious abstinence.This horoscope belongs to His Holiness Dalai Lama.CASE # IIIGURU IN 2ND HOUSE DHANA BHAVAMALEBorn ...10th Nov 1955Janma Lagna KatakaVrishabha... ........ketuSimha ............ ..GuruKanya....... ........Moon, MarsTula........ ........Saturn, Mercury, SunVrischik.... ........Rahu , ShukraVIMSHOTTARI DASAS EXPERIENCED SO FAR,Moon, Mars, Rahu, Guru (Presently).This person has Guru in 2nd house in Leo.RESULT:The jataka , except for a very brief period in Guru dasa, has failedin everything he has done. Extremely bad with money. Owes peoplehuge sums, no property , no permenet jobs, avoided by world and alsohis own family.poverty does not leave him and presently looked afterby father inlaw.GURU IN 8TH , AYUSHYA BHAVA.Guru is termed as Jeeva, Ayushya karaka,

remover of illness, whencomes and occupies 8th bhava, destroys the Ayushya or Life of aperson.I will give two examples of such people who were killed by Guru.CASE #1Male:DOB: 27.3.1972TOB: 9.07 AMPOB: Udaipur RajasthanTaurus: AscTaurus: Mars/SatCancer: KetuLeo: MoonSaggi: JupiterCapri: RahuPisces: Sun/MercMark presence of Guru in the 8th bhava. The person died in a tragicroad accident in year 2001.CASE # 2MaleDOB: 9.11.1915TOB: 12.15 amPOB: Porbandar IndiaCancer : AscCancer: Mars/ketuLibra: Merc/SunScorpio: Moon/VenusCapri: RahuAquarius: JupiterGemini: SaturnMark Jupiter in 8th bhava.The person in question died of TB at the age of 24 years.To Be Continued.BRUM BRUHASPATAYE NAMAH:

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Dear Nameisego ji,

I am enthused by your observations and providing a contrasting set of birth details, for your reference & any comments if any. Focus is on Jupiter only.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Male

 

Male

 

Male

 

 

Date of birth

 

31-Dec-1915

 

7-Aug-1975

 

 

 

 

Time of birth

 

19:44 hrs

 

15:30hrs

 

 

 

 

Place of birth

 

Ahmedabad

 

New Delhi

 

 

 

 

Ascendant

 

Cancer

 

Scorpio

 

Aquarius

 

 

1H

 

Ketu

 

Rahu

 

 

 

 

2H

 

Mars

 

 

 

 

 

 

3H

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

4H

 

Moon

 

 

 

Saturn®

 

 

5H

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

6H

 

Mercury, Sun

 

Jupiter

 

Jupiter

 

 

7H

 

Rahu, Venus

 

Ketu, Mars

 

Rahu

 

 

8H

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

Sun, Venus, Mars, Mercury®

 

 

9H

 

 

 

Sa, Me, Su, Moon

 

Moon

 

 

10H

 

 

 

Venus ®

 

 

 

 

11H

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

12H

 

Saturn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

80+yrs life

 

Earning a fair amount settled abroad

 

Fairly good money

 

 

 

 

 

Female

 

Male

 

Male

 

Male

 

 

06-Sept-1967

 

12-Dec-1975

 

28-May

 

8-Aug-1912

 

 

17:00hrs

 

 

 

 

 

19:35

 

 

Ahmedabad

 

 

 

Gudivada

 

 

 

 

Capricon

 

Leo

 

Libra

 

Aquarius

 

 

 

 

 

 

Moon, Jupiter

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rahu

 

 

Sat®

 

Venus, Rahu

 

 

 

 

 

 

Rahu

 

Sun

 

 

 

Saturn, Moon

 

 

 

 

Mercury

 

Ketu

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sun

 

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

Venus

 

Venus, Mercury, Mars

 

 

Sun, Ven®

 

Moon, Jup

 

Sun, Mercury

 

Ketu

 

 

Moon, Mercury

 

Ketu

 

Mars

 

 

 

 

Mars

 

 

 

 

 

Jupiter

 

 

 

 

Mars®

 

Rahu

 

 

 

 

 

 

Sa ®

 

Saturn

 

 

 

 

With husband doing well & happy family

 

Rich person

 

Enjoyed money, position & popularity

 

Enjoyed money, position & popularity

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

[Guest guest]

dear friends

 

similar debate happened in other groups earlier, where i demonstrated

my positive bias towards jupiter to prove that this myth of bhava

nasha does not hold water. there are thousands of horoscopes in

database of my customers and can provide dozens of birth details

where people are wealthy with jupiter in their second house, people

had two or three children with jupiter in thier fifth house, to

supplement sreeramji; but then astrologers will come up with other

rules of exceptions and overriding principles which precluded jupiter

from destroying that bhava. this exercise of for and against birth

charts is of little use unless we are flexible in not IMPOSING a rule

as a thumbrule

 

there is a byerule that has been taught by the traditional

astrologers of the past that says mercury in kendra can negate 500

doshas, venus in kendra can negate 5000 doshas and jupiter in kendra

can negate one lakh doshas.

 

hence i submit that these rules of bhava vriddhi and bhava nasha are

as applicable as the neecha bhanga rajayoga and uchha bhanga daridra

yoga rules are.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

www.rudraksharemedy.com

 

, " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> Dear Nameisego ji,

>

> I am enthused by your observations and providing a contrasting set

of

> birth details, for your reference & any comments if any. Focus is

on

> Jupiter only.

>

>

>

>

> Male

>

> Male

>

> Male

>

> Date of birth

>

> 31-Dec-1915

>

> 7-Aug-1975

>

>

>

> Time of birth

>

> 19:44 hrs

>

> 15:30hrs

>

>

>

> Place of birth

>

> Ahmedabad

>

> New Delhi

>

>

>

> Ascendant

>

> Cancer

>

> Scorpio

>

> Aquarius

>

> 1H

>

> Ketu

>

> Rahu

>

>

>

> 2H

>

> Mars

>

>

>

>

>

> 3H

>

4H

>

> Moon

>

>

>

> Saturn®

>

> 5H

>

6H

>

> Mercury, Sun

>

> Jupiter

>

> Jupiter

>

> 7H

>

> Rahu, Venus

>

> Ketu, Mars

>

> Rahu

>

> 8H

>

> Jupiter

>

>

>

> Sun, Venus, Mars, Mercury®

>

> 9H

>

>

>

> Sa, Me, Su, Moon

>

> Moon

>

> 10H

>

>

>

> Venus ®

>

>

>

> 11H

>

12H

>

> Saturn

>

80+yrs life

>

> Earning a fair amount settled abroad

>

> Fairly good money

>

>

>

> Female

>

> Male

>

> Male

>

> Male

>

> 06-Sept-1967

>

> 12-Dec-1975

>

> 28-May

>

> 8-Aug-1912

>

> 17:00hrs

>

>

>

>

>

> 19:35

>

> Ahmedabad

>

>

>

> Gudivada

>

>

>

> Capricon

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> Leo

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> Libra

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> Aquarius

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>

>

>

>

> Moon, Jupiter

>

>

>

Rahu

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> Sat®

>

> Venus, Rahu

>

>

>

>

>

> Rahu

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> Sun

>

>

>

> Saturn, Moon

>

>

>

> Mercury

>

> Ketu

>

>

>

Sun

>

> Jupiter

>

>

>

> Venus

>

> Venus, Mercury, Mars

>

> Sun, Ven®

>

> Moon, Jup

>

> Sun, Mercury

>

> Ketu

>

> Moon, Mercury

>

> Ketu

>

> Mars

>

>

>

> Mars

>

>

>

>

>

> Jupiter

>

>

>

> Mars®

>

> Rahu

>

>

>

>

>

> Sa ®

>

> Saturn

>

>

>

> With husband doing well & happy family

>

> Rich person

>

> Enjoyed money, position & popularity

>

> Enjoyed money, position & popularity

>

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>