Saturn in 7th house (Material for thought)

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Dear All,

To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs -

RESULTS, related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify one thing in the outset itself. They

are NOT my opinian; but only a collection (from various sources) to enrich the

discussion. The section given below contains derivations that will fructify;

and some that will not. I HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from

the major texts I depend upon regarding the same in providing these results;

neither I am trying to present the logic followed behind the derivations by

various authors, nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing

ones. Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th house. The section below contains both gems as well as trash.

Collect and separate the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we

will try analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason for failure

and success as well. The books I didn't add (and which I depend

upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') are texts such as Brigu

sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, Saravali and BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics and quotes from the above texts later -

but for now, just providing material for the fire of discussion to burn with

full light. :=) And here it goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.

==========================

If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from

wife and wealth would be less. The native will not give much importance to

dress and may wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress

codes. He will suffer much in life,

travel much and will suffer scarcity of wealth many times in life. (But note

that hard working people at times even turns –ve traits/things positive, in

this world of culprits, Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in

education (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If Saturn is

in Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this could be

death or divorce) during Saturn dasa.

Except in Libra, Capricorn and Aquarius the chance of losing all wives

is high (emphasis will demand other combinations indicating the same to be

present). Except in these signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in

marriage (provided the dasa of Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not

aspected by benefics).

If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough

health and happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a wife

(his wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad away from

wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear shabby cloths or

will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will commit sins, and

will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of Saturn. (This result is sure to

materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn is not in own house or exalted and

also if not aspected by benefics and is aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn

is exalted or in own house then too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result

will materialize to a limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.

If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics

then the death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But instead it

should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl with much age

difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually she is (in

looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a girl who is not

beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be delay in marriage.

(If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the marriage would he delayed

– it is only a possibility). It is also possible that at the end the marriage

will happen with a person in relation – i.e. from among the relative, or with a

person to whom a relation was present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th aspected by Moon,

it can point to the fact that the native may marry a girl/boy who is a

divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have such an experience

(provided other combinations also support the same) or that he/she will marry

more than once.

If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper

wife/husband – at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good

wife/husband (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good

wife/husband) he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not live

long. This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted or in own

house.

If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is

aspected by Saturn, then there is a chance that the native may have diseases

related to Pancreas, Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal

diseases) or Sugar.

If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may

not have children or may have some disease or problems related to Ultras or

Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's horoscope,

the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband with much age

difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or exalted.

Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is

sure to give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if Saturn's

dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo lagna in

Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife (death of wife or

divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also occurs.

Since the current

discussion is based on Aries Lagna with Saturn in 7th, a special

reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.

If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native

will have a serious attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in

a mature manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth, and

will love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the sexual

urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of males this can

cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is present then during the dasa of

Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation from wife. But this result

shouldn't be told if there is an exchange between 5th and 7th

lords, and the native will have a love marriage and would be much dedicated

towards his wife. He will have happy married life, with wife children, good

house, enough reputation and wealth. In

the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative activities

trying to improve his own position, repute and power. This gives Sasa Yoga (one

among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives all good results related to the same.

It should be noted that, 7th lord indicates the wife, and also that

exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his beneficial qualities to the

native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and well placed, (for Venus

12th is good placement for any lagna), the native will live a happy

and healthy life along with his wife – but still the un-satisfaction in sexual

life etc certainly applies to this case – because his wife will have a cold

attitude towards the same; where as the native will have high sexual urge (a

quality of Aries lagna). But if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated,

then things may go upside down with the native indulging in all kinds of mean

business and deeds (with can turn profitable as well, if other planetary

positions support the same), his wife not getting enough attention.

==========================

Please note the following points -

* The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of this

discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn will give if

that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also what would be the effects

if conjunction with other planets in 7th is present for Saturn.

* At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of experimenting

with the derived results by the use of "Blind charts with Saturn in

7th house", and the participants who enriched their understanding about

"Saturn in 7th house" should then participate in the quiz to predict

the possible result - and the later the facts should be revealed for everyone

to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji, Sunil ji etc to keep some

charts ready for this later round - now itself. Let us learn through experience and experimenting.

* I request all "Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions)" ; so

that the trick of "explaining away anything" played by some can be

avoided.

* Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we

will accept and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT

USING EXTRA PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.

Regards,

Sreenadh

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:

 

Re: Re: sani in 7th house

 

Dear All,

Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:

1) As natural

malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage, marital grief,

separation from husband, if wife husband treating her like slave,

grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc

 

2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not good looking and strong.

 

3)

by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th house,

Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles etc -

meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he does

he will not enjoy the same.

 

4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house

from him, which is the 9th house, Saturn will cause a person who is not

spiritual and does not believe in God and consequently less punya.However, I beg to differ with her specific results

1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause the bad results above. IF saturn is

exalted in 7th house, he will give good spouse, good wealth and good punya.If

its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house in 7H it

will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage may be a

bit late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The

native will project a good image to others.

But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have to go by lagna:

an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an inimical aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.

It

will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may cause harm to

mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth place.

 

It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not be very good for father.

On

the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is debilitated and thus

would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna on tula sign

will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, similarly it will

aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very good for 4H

affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H and hence

will be good for 9H affairs.

We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.

Regards

Neelam

 

 

 

On 19/01/2008, Kiran R <kiran.rama

> wrote:

Sreenadhji,here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:Saturn in 7th house can give following results:1)

As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,

marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating her

like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc

2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not good looking and strong.3)

by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th house,

Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles etc -

meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he does

he will not enjoy the same. 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house

from him, which is the 9th house, Saturn will cause a person who is not

spiritual and does not believe in God and consequently less punya.Now what are the exceptions:

1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause the bad results above. IF saturn is

exalted in 7th house, he will give good spouse, good wealth and good punya.2)

If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good spouse/married

life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) which is in

exaltation

3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not

harm the 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic

aspect the 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and

spirituality. Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will

not be good looking

4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest assured extreme results with no marriage, or divorce5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a lesser degreeAnother

exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g: Saturn for

Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth lord).

For such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st and

2nd lord is going to sustana.I

request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, Chandrashekarji to confirm my analysis.regardskiranNow

Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he will destroy

the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to the 7H.

Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?Saturn

represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant etc: and Saturn in

the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, grief from spouse,

unfulfilled desires etc.

Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?Now

let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect the lagna

(7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal uncle, real

estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause problems of

wealth

Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?Saturn in 7H will

malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house stands for occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in societySO the learned sages were correct, mehtajiSreenadh <

sreesog wrote:

 

Dear All,

This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body sure

what to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members

like Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this long

thread for

short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our current

location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the various

possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some tangible and

solid RESULTS.

I will post my reading on the same in the next mail. It

is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka and numerous

other things + the say too much but mean nothing words like

good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - What is the RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be

clear in your answers and be practical - and for sure we will validate

anyone's reading with practical chart examples in our collection with

the same combination.

So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in 7th,

more valuable and creative. And please note -

* NO out of context mentioning of

divisions, naskshatras, karakamsas and so on.

* Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any house); at the

most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding ownhouse,

exaltation, debilitation etc (if any).

* Speak about the RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc

* AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear

on what you know and what you don't; what you trust and what you not.

* Check all your books, but don't be bothered by them; if the

CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection and

actual

experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever names or books

you quote - that would be rejected.

So the

ground is ready, rules clear - let us march! Find the

thief and hang him, for all to view! Love and regards, Sreenadh

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

According to NH1 theory, Sa placed in 7H will be an exalted Saturn

and hence leading to conjugal bliss and other positive things

attributable to 7H.

 

NH2 theory: [if I reverse it..]

 

Saturn in 7H = 6th house lord in 7th house

= In KP 6th house is Virgo; thus we take Virgo as lagna;

6th house from Virgo is Aquarius, owner Saturn;

[as we placed Mercury in various houses when 2HL was

discussed, I suppose we can consider Saturn similarly

as far as 6H of KP per NH2 theory is considered]

Hence we arrive at Sa,6H lord for Virgo placed in 7H.

 

Now coming to general theory, 6HL in 7H gives mostly negative

results as per 7H is considered.

[a]. 6HL is the lord of adversities.

. for 7H, 6HL is the 12th lord from it.

Wild imagination...Right????? I am not sure whether I have grasped

your NH2 theory properly after so many instructions given by you.

But opening my mind..I am sure I will get it right even after many

failed attempts.

blessings

Renu

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

>

> Dear All,

> To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - RESULTS,

> related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify one

thing

> in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a

collection

> (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section given

below

> contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will not. I

> HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I

depend

> upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I am

trying

> to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various

authors,

> nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing ones.

> Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are

> conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th house.

The

> section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and

separate

> the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we will try

> analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason for

> failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and which I

> depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') are

texts

> such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, Saravali

and

> BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics and

> quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing

material

> for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And here

it

> goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.

> ==========================

>

> If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and wealth

> would be less. The native will not give much importance to dress

and may

> wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress

codes. He

> will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity of

wealth

> many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times

even

> turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,

> Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in education

> (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If Saturn

is in

> Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this

could be

> death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, Capricorn

and

> Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will

demand

> other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except in

these

> signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the

dasa of

> Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by benefics).

>

> If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and

> happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a

wife (his

> wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad away

from

> wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear shabby

cloths

> or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will

commit

> sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of Saturn.

(This

> result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn is

not in

> own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and is

> aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own house

then

> too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize to a

> limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.

>

> If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics then

the

> death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But instead it

> should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl with

much

> age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually

she is

> (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a girl

who is

> not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be

delay in

> marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the

marriage

> would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also possible

> that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in

relation –

> i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a relation

was

> present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th aspected by

> Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a

girl/boy who

> is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have such

an

> experience (provided other combinations also support the same) or

that

> he/she will marry more than once.

>

> If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper wife/husband –

> at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good

wife/husband

> (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good

wife/husband)

> he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not live

long.

> This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted or in

own

> house.

>

> If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, then

there

> is a chance that the native may have diseases related to Pancreas,

> Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) or

Sugar.

>

> If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have

> children or may have some disease or problems related to Ultras or

> Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's horoscope,

> the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband with

much

> age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or

exalted.

>

> Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is sure

to

> give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if

> Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo

lagna

> in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife (death

of

> wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also

> occurs.

> Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with Saturn

in 7th,

> a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.

> If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a

serious

> attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a

mature

> manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth,

and will

> love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the

sexual

> urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of

males

> this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is present

then

> during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation

from

> wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange

> between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love

marriage and

> would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy

married

> life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and

wealth. In

> the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative

> activities trying to improve his own position, repute and power.

This

> gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives all

good

> results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord

indicates

> the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his

beneficial

> qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and well

> placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the

native

> will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but still

> the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to this

case

> – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same;

where

> as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries

lagna). But

> if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go upside

down

> with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and deeds

(with

> can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions support

the

> same), his wife not getting enough attention.

> ==========================

>

> Please note the following points -

> * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of this

> discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn

will

> give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also what

would

> be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is present

for

> Saturn.

> * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of

> experimenting with the derived results by the use of " Blind

charts with

> Saturn in 7th house " , and the participants who enriched their

> understanding about " Saturn in 7th house " should then participate

in the

> quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts

should be

> revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji,

Sunil ji

> etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now

itself. Let

> us learn through experience and experimenting.

> * I request all " Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions) " ; so that

the

> trick of " explaining away anything " played by some can be avoided.

> * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we will

accept

> and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT USING

EXTRA

> PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.

> Regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " neelam gupta "

> <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> Re: Re: sani in 7th house

> Dear All,

> Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:

> 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,

> marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating

her

> like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc

> 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not

good

> looking and strong.

> 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th

house,

> Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles

etc -

> meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he

does

> he will not enjoy the same.

> 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th

house,

> Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not

believe in

> God and consequently less punya.

>

> However, I beg to differ with her specific results

> 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause

the bad

> results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good

> spouse, good wealth and good punya.

>

> If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house in

7H it

> will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage may be

a bit

> late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The

native

> will project a good image to others.

> But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have to

go by

> lagna:

> an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an inimical

> aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.

> It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may cause

harm to

> mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth

place.

> It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not be

very

> good for father.

> On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is debilitated

and

> thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna on

tula

> sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, similarly

it

> will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very good

for 4H

> affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H and

hence

> will be good for 9H affairs.

> We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

> On 19/01/2008, Kiran R <kiran.rama

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> JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:

> Sreenadhji,

>

> here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:

>

> Saturn in 7th house can give following results:

> 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,

> marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating

her

> like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc

> 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not

good

> looking and strong.

> 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th

house,

> Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles

etc -

> meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he

does

> he will not enjoy the same.

> 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th

house,

> Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not

believe in

> God and consequently less punya.

>

> Now what are the exceptions:

> 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause

the bad

> results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good

> spouse, good wealth and good punya.

> 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good

spouse/married

> life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) which

is in

> exaltation

> 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not

harm the

> 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic

aspect the

> 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and spirituality.

> Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be good

> looking

> 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest

assured

> extreme results with no marriage, or divorce

> 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a

lesser

> degree

>

> Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g:

Saturn for

> Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth

lord). For

> such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st and

2nd

> lord is going to sustana.

>

> I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, Chandrashekarji

to

> confirm my analysis.

>

> regards

> kiran

>

> Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he will

> destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to

the 7H.

>

> Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?

>

> Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant etc: and

> Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, grief

from

> spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.

>

> Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?

> Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect the

lagna

> (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal uncle,

real

> estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause problems of

> wealth

>

> Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?

> Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house stands

for

> occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in society

>

> SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji

>

> Sreenadh < sreesog

> <../../../../post?

postID=Z_RG1gaxZbRl7yKlthGvQPlsmXs1upj0TjKJsDqfq5Rs1dz\

> AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:

> Dear All,

> This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body

sure what

> to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members

like

> Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this long

thread

> for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our current

> location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the

various

> possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some tangible

and

> solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next

mail.

> It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka and

> numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words

like

> good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - What

is the

> RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your

answers

> and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's reading

with

> practical chart examples in our collection with the same

combination.

> So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in

7th, more

> valuable and creative.

> And please note -

> * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, naskshatras,

> karakamsas and so on.

> * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any house); at

the

> most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding ownhouse,

> exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak about the

> RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc

> * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you know

and what

> you don't; what you trust and what you not.

> * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by them; if

the

> CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection and

> actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever

names or

> books you quote - that would be rejected.

> So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march!

Find the

> thief and hang him, for all to view!

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

Forgot to mention...what I wanted to point out from my earlier

posting i.e. NH1 & NH2 [provided it is correct] is that each and

every planet gives benefic AND malefic significations irrespective

of its placement. Hence as you have once taught no planet is

inherently benefic or malefic.

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

>

> Dear All,

> To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - RESULTS,

> related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify one

thing

> in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a

collection

> (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section given

below

> contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will not. I

> HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I

depend

> upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I am

trying

> to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various

authors,

> nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing ones.

> Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are

> conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th house.

The

> section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and

separate

> the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we will try

> analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason for

> failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and which I

> depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') are

texts

> such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, Saravali

and

> BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics and

> quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing

material

> for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And here

it

> goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.

> ==========================

>

> If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and wealth

> would be less. The native will not give much importance to dress

and may

> wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress

codes. He

> will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity of

wealth

> many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times

even

> turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,

> Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in education

> (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If Saturn

is in

> Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this

could be

> death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, Capricorn

and

> Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will

demand

> other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except in

these

> signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the

dasa of

> Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by benefics).

>

> If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and

> happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a

wife (his

> wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad away

from

> wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear shabby

cloths

> or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will

commit

> sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of Saturn.

(This

> result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn is

not in

> own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and is

> aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own house

then

> too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize to a

> limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.

>

> If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics then

the

> death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But instead it

> should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl with

much

> age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually

she is

> (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a girl

who is

> not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be

delay in

> marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the

marriage

> would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also possible

> that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in

relation –

> i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a relation

was

> present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th aspected by

> Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a

girl/boy who

> is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have such

an

> experience (provided other combinations also support the same) or

that

> he/she will marry more than once.

>

> If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper wife/husband –

> at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good

wife/husband

> (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good

wife/husband)

> he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not live

long.

> This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted or in

own

> house.

>

> If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, then

there

> is a chance that the native may have diseases related to Pancreas,

> Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) or

Sugar.

>

> If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have

> children or may have some disease or problems related to Ultras or

> Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's horoscope,

> the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband with

much

> age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or

exalted.

>

> Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is sure

to

> give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if

> Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo

lagna

> in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife (death

of

> wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also

> occurs.

> Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with Saturn

in 7th,

> a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.

> If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a

serious

> attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a

mature

> manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth,

and will

> love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the

sexual

> urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of

males

> this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is present

then

> during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation

from

> wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange

> between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love

marriage and

> would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy

married

> life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and

wealth. In

> the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative

> activities trying to improve his own position, repute and power.

This

> gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives all

good

> results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord

indicates

> the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his

beneficial

> qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and well

> placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the

native

> will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but still

> the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to this

case

> – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same;

where

> as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries

lagna). But

> if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go upside

down

> with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and deeds

(with

> can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions support

the

> same), his wife not getting enough attention.

> ==========================

>

> Please note the following points -

> * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of this

> discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn

will

> give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also what

would

> be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is present

for

> Saturn.

> * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of

> experimenting with the derived results by the use of " Blind

charts with

> Saturn in 7th house " , and the participants who enriched their

> understanding about " Saturn in 7th house " should then participate

in the

> quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts

should be

> revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji,

Sunil ji

> etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now

itself. Let

> us learn through experience and experimenting.

> * I request all " Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions) " ; so that

the

> trick of " explaining away anything " played by some can be avoided.

> * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we will

accept

> and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT USING

EXTRA

> PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.

> Regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " neelam gupta "

> <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> Re: Re: sani in 7th house

> Dear All,

> Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:

> 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,

> marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating

her

> like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc

> 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not

good

> looking and strong.

> 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th

house,

> Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles

etc -

> meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he

does

> he will not enjoy the same.

> 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th

house,

> Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not

believe in

> God and consequently less punya.

>

> However, I beg to differ with her specific results

> 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause

the bad

> results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good

> spouse, good wealth and good punya.

>

> If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house in

7H it

> will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage may be

a bit

> late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The

native

> will project a good image to others.

> But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have to

go by

> lagna:

> an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an inimical

> aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.

> It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may cause

harm to

> mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth

place.

> It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not be

very

> good for father.

> On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is debilitated

and

> thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna on

tula

> sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, similarly

it

> will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very good

for 4H

> affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H and

hence

> will be good for 9H affairs.

> We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

> On 19/01/2008, Kiran R <kiran.rama

> <../../../../post?postID=P767P6WYrOKRqDLo-

Nqbo_BDHHHNbw2vM3gcBffOndZc2Ze\

> JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:

> Sreenadhji,

>

> here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:

>

> Saturn in 7th house can give following results:

> 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,

> marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating

her

> like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc

> 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not

good

> looking and strong.

> 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th

house,

> Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles

etc -

> meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he

does

> he will not enjoy the same.

> 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th

house,

> Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not

believe in

> God and consequently less punya.

>

> Now what are the exceptions:

> 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause

the bad

> results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good

> spouse, good wealth and good punya.

> 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good

spouse/married

> life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) which

is in

> exaltation

> 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not

harm the

> 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic

aspect the

> 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and spirituality.

> Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be good

> looking

> 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest

assured

> extreme results with no marriage, or divorce

> 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a

lesser

> degree

>

> Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g:

Saturn for

> Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth

lord). For

> such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st and

2nd

> lord is going to sustana.

>

> I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, Chandrashekarji

to

> confirm my analysis.

>

> regards

> kiran

>

> Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he will

> destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to

the 7H.

>

> Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?

>

> Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant etc: and

> Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, grief

from

> spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.

>

> Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?

> Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect the

lagna

> (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal uncle,

real

> estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause problems of

> wealth

>

> Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?

> Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house stands

for

> occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in society

>

> SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji

>

> Sreenadh < sreesog

> <../../../../post?

postID=Z_RG1gaxZbRl7yKlthGvQPlsmXs1upj0TjKJsDqfq5Rs1dz\

> AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:

> Dear All,

> This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body

sure what

> to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members

like

> Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this long

thread

> for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our current

> location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the

various

> possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some tangible

and

> solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next

mail.

> It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka and

> numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words

like

> good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - What

is the

> RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your

answers

> and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's reading

with

> practical chart examples in our collection with the same

combination.

> So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in

7th, more

> valuable and creative.

> And please note -

> * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, naskshatras,

> karakamsas and so on.

> * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any house); at

the

> most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding ownhouse,

> exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak about the

> RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc

> * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you know

and what

> you don't; what you trust and what you not.

> * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by them; if

the

> CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection and

> actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever

names or

> books you quote - that would be rejected.

> So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march!

Find the

> thief and hang him, for all to view!

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

[Guest guest]

Namaste Sreenadh ji..

 

''''will face break in education (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn

comes in due time).''''

 

I do not comprehend why shani in 7H will affect the break in

education..

 

Yet I have a chart where this is the case and the native is

currenting running the Shani MD.. Retro Shani in capricorn 7H,

conjuct rahu.. Lagna cancer,,

 

Regards

Sheevani

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

>

> Dear All,

> To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - RESULTS,

> related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify one

thing

> in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a collection

> (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section given

below

> contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will not. I

> HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I

depend

> upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I am

trying

> to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various

authors,

> nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing ones.

> Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are

> conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th house.

The

> section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and

separate

> the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we will try

> analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason for

> failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and which I

> depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') are

texts

> such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, Saravali and

> BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics and

> quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing

material

> for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And here it

> goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.

> ==========================

>

> If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and wealth

> would be less. The native will not give much importance to dress

and may

> wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress

codes. He

> will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity of

wealth

> many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times even

> turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,

> Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in education

> (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If Saturn

is in

> Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this

could be

> death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, Capricorn

and

> Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will

demand

> other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except in

these

> signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the dasa

of

> Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by benefics).

>

> If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and

> happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a wife

(his

> wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad away

from

> wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear shabby

cloths

> or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will

commit

> sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of Saturn.

(This

> result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn is

not in

> own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and is

> aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own house

then

> too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize to a

> limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.

>

> If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics then

the

> death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But instead it

> should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl with

much

> age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually she

is

> (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a girl

who is

> not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be

delay in

> marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the

marriage

> would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also possible

> that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in relation –

> i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a relation

was

> present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th aspected by

> Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a girl/boy

who

> is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have such an

> experience (provided other combinations also support the same) or

that

> he/she will marry more than once.

>

> If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper wife/husband –

> at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good

wife/husband

> (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good

wife/husband)

> he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not live

long.

> This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted or in

own

> house.

>

> If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, then

there

> is a chance that the native may have diseases related to Pancreas,

> Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) or

Sugar.

>

> If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have

> children or may have some disease or problems related to Ultras or

> Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's horoscope,

> the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband with

much

> age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or

exalted.

>

> Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is sure to

> give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if

> Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo lagna

> in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife (death

of

> wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also

> occurs.

> Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with Saturn in

7th,

> a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.

> If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a

serious

> attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a mature

> manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth, and

will

> love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the

sexual

> urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of

males

> this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is present

then

> during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation from

> wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange

> between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love marriage

and

> would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy married

> life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and

wealth. In

> the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative

> activities trying to improve his own position, repute and power.

This

> gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives all

good

> results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord

indicates

> the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his beneficial

> qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and well

> placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the native

> will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but still

> the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to this

case

> – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same; where

> as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries

lagna). But

> if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go upside

down

> with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and deeds

(with

> can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions support

the

> same), his wife not getting enough attention.

> ==========================

>

> Please note the following points -

> * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of this

> discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn will

> give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also what

would

> be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is present

for

> Saturn.

> * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of

> experimenting with the derived results by the use of " Blind charts

with

> Saturn in 7th house " , and the participants who enriched their

> understanding about " Saturn in 7th house " should then participate

in the

> quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts

should be

> revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji,

Sunil ji

> etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now

itself. Let

> us learn through experience and experimenting.

> * I request all " Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions) " ; so that

the

> trick of " explaining away anything " played by some can be avoided.

> * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we will

accept

> and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT USING

EXTRA

> PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.

> Regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " neelam gupta "

> <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> Re: Re: sani in 7th house

> Dear All,

> Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:

> 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,

> marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating her

> like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc

> 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not

good

> looking and strong.

> 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th

house,

> Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles

etc -

> meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he

does

> he will not enjoy the same.

> 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th

house,

> Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not

believe in

> God and consequently less punya.

>

> However, I beg to differ with her specific results

> 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause the

bad

> results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good

> spouse, good wealth and good punya.

>

> If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house in 7H

it

> will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage may be

a bit

> late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The native

> will project a good image to others.

> But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have to go

by

> lagna:

> an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an inimical

> aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.

> It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may cause

harm to

> mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth

place.

> It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not be

very

> good for father.

> On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is debilitated

and

> thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna on

tula

> sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, similarly

it

> will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very good

for 4H

> affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H and

hence

> will be good for 9H affairs.

> We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.

> Regards

> Neelam

>

>

>

> On 19/01/2008, Kiran R <kiran.rama

> <../../../../post?postID=P767P6WYrOKRqDLo-

Nqbo_BDHHHNbw2vM3gcBffOndZc2Ze\

> JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:

> Sreenadhji,

>

> here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:

>

> Saturn in 7th house can give following results:

> 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,

> marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating her

> like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc

> 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not

good

> looking and strong.

> 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th

house,

> Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles

etc -

> meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he

does

> he will not enjoy the same.

> 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th

house,

> Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not

believe in

> God and consequently less punya.

>

> Now what are the exceptions:

> 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause the

bad

> results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good

> spouse, good wealth and good punya.

> 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good

spouse/married

> life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) which

is in

> exaltation

> 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not

harm the

> 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic

aspect the

> 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and spirituality.

> Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be good

> looking

> 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest

assured

> extreme results with no marriage, or divorce

> 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a lesser

> degree

>

> Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g:

Saturn for

> Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth

lord). For

> such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st and 2nd

> lord is going to sustana.

>

> I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, Chandrashekarji to

> confirm my analysis.

>

> regards

> kiran

>

> Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he will

> destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to the

7H.

>

> Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?

>

> Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant etc: and

> Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, grief

from

> spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.

>

> Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?

> Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect the

lagna

> (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal uncle,

real

> estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause problems of

> wealth

>

> Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?

> Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house stands

for

> occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in society

>

> SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji

>

> Sreenadh < sreesog

> <../../../../post?

postID=Z_RG1gaxZbRl7yKlthGvQPlsmXs1upj0TjKJsDqfq5Rs1dz\

> AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:

> Dear All,

> This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body

sure what

> to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members like

> Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this long

thread

> for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our current

> location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the

various

> possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some tangible

and

> solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next

mail.

> It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka and

> numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words like

> good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - What

is the

> RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your

answers

> and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's reading

with

> practical chart examples in our collection with the same

combination.

> So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in 7th,

more

> valuable and creative.

> And please note -

> * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, naskshatras,

> karakamsas and so on.

> * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any house); at

the

> most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding ownhouse,

> exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak about the

> RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc

> * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you know

and what

> you don't; what you trust and what you not.

> * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by them; if

the

> CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection and

> actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever

names or

> books you quote - that would be rejected.

> So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march!

Find the

> thief and hang him, for all to view!

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji,

"If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo lagna in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife (death of wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also occurs. "

When I went through your 'material for thought' for the second time...this struck me. [i may be a tube light.... ].......Don't you think we can explain the logic behind above dictum through NH2 theory???

i. e. 6HL placed in 7H = Taking Virgo, the 6H in KP as lagna and placing 6HL from it namely Saturn, in 7H ..Pisces.

blessings

Renu

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear All,> To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - RESULTS,> related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify one thing> in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a collection> (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section given below> contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will not. I> HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I depend> upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I am trying> to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various authors,> nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing ones. > Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are> conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th house. The> section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and separate> the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we will try> analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason for> failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and which I> depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') are texts> such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, Saravali and> BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics and> quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing material> for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And here it> goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.> ==========================> > If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and wealth> would be less. The native will not give much importance to dress and may> wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress codes. He> will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity of wealth> many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times even> turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,> Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in education> (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If Saturn is in> Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this could be> death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, Capricorn and> Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will demand> other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except in these> signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the dasa of> Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by benefics).> > If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and> happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a wife (his> wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad away from> wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear shabby cloths> or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will commit> sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of Saturn. (This> result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn is not in> own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and is> aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own house then> too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize to a> limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.> > If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics then the> death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But instead it> should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl with much> age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually she is> (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a girl who is> not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be delay in> marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the marriage> would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also possible> that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in relation –> i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a relation was> present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th aspected by> Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a girl/boy who> is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have such an> experience (provided other combinations also support the same) or that> he/she will marry more than once.> > If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper wife/husband –> at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good wife/husband> (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good wife/husband)> he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not live long.> This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted or in own> house.> > If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, then there> is a chance that the native may have diseases related to Pancreas,> Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) or Sugar.> > If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have> children or may have some disease or problems related to Ultras or> Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's horoscope,> the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband with much> age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or exalted.> > Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is sure to> give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if> Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo lagna> in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife (death of> wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also> occurs.> Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with Saturn in 7th,> a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.> If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a serious> attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a mature> manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth, and will> love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the sexual> urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of males> this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is present then> during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation from> wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange> between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love marriage and> would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy married> life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and wealth. In> the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative> activities trying to improve his own position, repute and power. This> gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives all good> results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord indicates> the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his beneficial> qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and well> placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the native> will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but still> the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to this case> – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same; where> as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries lagna). But> if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go upside down> with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and deeds (with> can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions support the> same), his wife not getting enough attention.> ==========================> > Please note the following points -> * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of this> discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn will> give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also what would> be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is present for> Saturn.> * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of> experimenting with the derived results by the use of "Blind charts with> Saturn in 7th house", and the participants who enriched their> understanding about "Saturn in 7th house" should then participate in the> quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts should be> revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji, Sunil ji > etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now itself. Let> us learn through experience and experimenting.> * I request all "Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions)" ; so that the> trick of "explaining away anything" played by some can be avoided.> * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we will accept> and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT USING EXTRA> PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.> Regards,> Sreenadh> > , "neelam gupta"> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> Re: Re: sani in 7th house> Dear All,> Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:> 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,> marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating her> like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not good> looking and strong.> 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th house,> Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles etc -> meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he does> he will not enjoy the same.> 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th house,> Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not believe in > God and consequently less punya.> > However, I beg to differ with her specific results> 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause the bad> results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good> spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house in 7H it> will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage may be a bit> late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The native> will project a good image to others.> But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have to go by> lagna:> an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an inimical> aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.> It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may cause harm to> mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth place.> It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not be very> good for father.> On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is debilitated and> thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna on tula> sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, similarly it> will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very good for 4H> affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H and hence> will be good for 9H affairs.> We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.> Regards> Neelam> > > > On 19/01/2008, Kiran R kiran.rama > <../../../../post?postID=P767P6WYrOKRqDLo-Nqbo_BDHHHNbw2vM3gcBffOndZc2Ze\> JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:> Sreenadhji,> > here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:> > Saturn in 7th house can give following results:> 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,> marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating her> like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not good> looking and strong.> 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th house,> Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles etc -> meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he does> he will not enjoy the same.> 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th house,> Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not believe in > God and consequently less punya.> > Now what are the exceptions:> 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause the bad> results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good> spouse, good wealth and good punya.> 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good spouse/married> life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) which is in> exaltation> 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not harm the> 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic aspect the> 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and spirituality.> Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be good> looking> 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest assured> extreme results with no marriage, or divorce> 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a lesser> degree> > Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g: Saturn for> Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth lord). For> such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st and 2nd> lord is going to sustana.> > I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, Chandrashekarji to> confirm my analysis.> > regards> kiran> > Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he will> destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to the 7H.> > Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?> > Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant etc: and> Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, grief from> spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.> > Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?> Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect the lagna> (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal uncle, real> estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause problems of> wealth> > Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?> Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house stands for> occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in society> > SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji> > Sreenadh < sreesog <../../../../post?postID=Z_RG1gaxZbRl7yKlthGvQPlsmXs1upj0TjKJsDqfq5Rs1dz\> AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:> Dear All,> This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body sure what> to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members like> Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this long thread> for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our current> location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the various> possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some tangible and> solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next mail.> It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka and> numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words like> good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - What is the> RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your answers> and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's reading with> practical chart examples in our collection with the same combination. > So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in 7th, more> valuable and creative.> And please note -> * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, naskshatras,> karakamsas and so on.> * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any house); at the> most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding ownhouse,> exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak about the> RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc> * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you know and what> you don't; what you trust and what you not.> * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by them; if the> CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection and> actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever names or> books you quote - that would be rejected.> So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march! Find the> thief and hang him, for all to view! > Love and regards,> Sreenadh>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sreenadh ji,

Let me give my opinion on the following based on a known male native. I would reserve a female chart for later submission. After all, why not for a change...'gentlemen first"....to satisfy male ego????

"Aries Lagna with Saturn in 7th, a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.

If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a serious attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a mature manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth, and will love his wife.

Yes, to all above with both hands raised.

He will have happy married life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and wealth. In the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative activities trying to improve his own position, repute and power. This gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives all good results related to the same.

Yes, without any hesitation.

It should be noted that, 7th lord indicates the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his beneficial qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and well placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the native will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife

Yes, the native enjoys a happy life along with his wife. Minor heart ailments are present, yet under complete control.

– but still the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to this case – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same

No, but I think the wife's palcement of planets would balance in this particular native.

blessings

Renu

My answers are based on a known , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear All,> To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - RESULTS,> related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify one thing> in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a collection> (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section given below> contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will not. I> HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I depend> upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I am trying> to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various authors,> nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing ones. > Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are> conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th house. The> section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and separate> the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we will try> analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason for> failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and which I> depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') are texts> such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, Saravali and> BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics and> quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing material> for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And here it> goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.> ==========================> > If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and wealth> would be less. The native will not give much importance to dress and may> wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress codes. He> will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity of wealth> many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times even> turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,> Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in education> (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If Saturn is in> Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this could be> death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, Capricorn and> Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will demand> other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except in these> signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the dasa of> Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by benefics).> > If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and> happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a wife (his> wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad away from> wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear shabby cloths> or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will commit> sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of Saturn. (This> result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn is not in> own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and is> aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own house then> too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize to a> limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.> > If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics then the> death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But instead it> should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl with much> age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually she is> (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a girl who is> not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be delay in> marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the marriage> would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also possible> that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in relation –> i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a relation was> present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th aspected by> Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a girl/boy who> is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have such an> experience (provided other combinations also support the same) or that> he/she will marry more than once.> > If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper wife/husband –> at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good wife/husband> (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good wife/husband)> he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not live long.> This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted or in own> house.> > If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, then there> is a chance that the native may have diseases related to Pancreas,> Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) or Sugar.> > If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have> children or may have some disease or problems related to Ultras or> Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's horoscope,> the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband with much> age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or exalted.> > Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is sure to> give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if> Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo lagna> in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife (death of> wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also> occurs.> Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with Saturn in 7th,> a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.> If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a serious> attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a mature> manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth, and will> love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the sexual> urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of males> this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is present then> during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation from> wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange> between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love marriage and> would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy married> life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and wealth. In> the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative> activities trying to improve his own position, repute and power. This> gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives all good> results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord indicates> the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his beneficial> qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and well> placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the native> will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but still> the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to this case> – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same; where> as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries lagna). But> if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go upside down> with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and deeds (with> can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions support the> same), his wife not getting enough attention.> ==========================> > Please note the following points -> * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of this> discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn will> give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also what would> be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is present for> Saturn.> * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of> experimenting with the derived results by the use of "Blind charts with> Saturn in 7th house", and the participants who enriched their> understanding about "Saturn in 7th house" should then participate in the> quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts should be> revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji, Sunil ji > etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now itself. Let> us learn through experience and experimenting.> * I request all "Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions)" ; so that the> trick of "explaining away anything" played by some can be avoided.> * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we will accept> and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT USING EXTRA> PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.> Regards,> Sreenadh> > , "neelam gupta"> neelamgupta07@ wrote:> Re: Re: sani in 7th house> Dear All,> Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:> 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,> marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating her> like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not good> looking and strong.> 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th house,> Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles etc -> meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he does> he will not enjoy the same.> 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th house,> Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not believe in > God and consequently less punya.> > However, I beg to differ with her specific results> 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause the bad> results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good> spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house in 7H it> will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage may be a bit> late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The native> will project a good image to others.> But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have to go by> lagna:> an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an inimical> aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.> It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may cause harm to> mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth place.> It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not be very> good for father.> On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is debilitated and> thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna on tula> sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, similarly it> will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very good for 4H> affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H and hence> will be good for 9H affairs.> We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.> Regards> Neelam> > > > On 19/01/2008, Kiran R kiran.rama > <../../../../post?postID=P767P6WYrOKRqDLo-Nqbo_BDHHHNbw2vM3gcBffOndZc2Ze\> JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:> Sreenadhji,> > here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:> > Saturn in 7th house can give following results:> 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,> marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating her> like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not good> looking and strong.> 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th house,> Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles etc -> meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he does> he will not enjoy the same.> 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th house,> Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not believe in > God and consequently less punya.> > Now what are the exceptions:> 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause the bad> results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good> spouse, good wealth and good punya.> 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good spouse/married> life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) which is in> exaltation> 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not harm the> 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic aspect the> 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and spirituality.> Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be good> looking> 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest assured> extreme results with no marriage, or divorce> 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a lesser> degree> > Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g: Saturn for> Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth lord). For> such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st and 2nd> lord is going to sustana.> > I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, Chandrashekarji to> confirm my analysis.> > regards> kiran> > Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he will> destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to the 7H.> > Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?> > Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant etc: and> Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, grief from> spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.> > Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?> Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect the lagna> (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal uncle, real> estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause problems of> wealth> > Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?> Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house stands for> occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in society> > SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji> > Sreenadh < sreesog <../../../../post?postID=Z_RG1gaxZbRl7yKlthGvQPlsmXs1upj0TjKJsDqfq5Rs1dz\> AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:> Dear All,> This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body sure what> to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members like> Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this long thread> for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our current> location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the various> possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some tangible and> solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next mail.> It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka and> numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words like> good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - What is the> RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your answers> and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's reading with> practical chart examples in our collection with the same combination. > So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in 7th, more> valuable and creative.> And please note -> * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, naskshatras,> karakamsas and so on.> * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any house); at the> most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding ownhouse,> exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak about the> RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc> * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you know and what> you don't; what you trust and what you not.> * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by them; if the> CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection and> actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever names or> books you quote - that would be rejected.> So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march! Find the> thief and hang him, for all to view! > Love and regards,> Sreenadh>

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Renuji,

 

I think to your last point

" No, but I think the wife's palcement of planets would balance in this

particular native "

 

depends on his/her placement of planets.

 

Esp in marriage, both charts are important. IF wife has very good

chart and husband very bad chart, it will give mixed results for marriage.

 

Of course, need not always because it is said Motital Nehru married

Jawaharlal to a lady whose horoscope was very good - it was said that

the lineage of that lady would become kings to lead the country.

That the Nehru family was disastrous for the country is another matter....

 

Regards

kiran

 

, " renunw " <renunw

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> Let me give my opinion on the following based on a known male native. I

> would reserve a female chart for later submission. After all, why not

> for a change...'gentlemen first " ....to satisfy male ego????

>

> " Aries Lagna with Saturn in 7th, a special reading regarding Aries lagna

> is given below.

>

> If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a serious

> attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a mature

> manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth, and will

> love his wife.

>

> Yes, to all above with both hands raised.

>

> He will have happy married life, with wife children, good house, enough

> reputation and wealth. In the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in

> new and creative activities trying to improve his own position, repute

> and power. This gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and

> gives all good results related to the same.

>

> Yes, without any hesitation.

>

> It should be noted that, 7th lord indicates the wife, and also that

> exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his beneficial qualities to the native's

> wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and well placed, (for Venus 12th is

> good placement for any lagna), the native will live a happy and healthy

> life along with his wife

>

> Yes, the native enjoys a happy life along with his wife. Minor heart

> ailments are present, yet under complete control.

>

> – but still the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies

> to this case – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards

> the same

>

> No, but I think the wife's palcement of planets would balance in this

> particular native.

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

> My answers are based on a known

> , " Sreenadh "

> <sreesog@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear All,

> > To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - RESULTS,

> > related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify one thing

> > in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a collection

> > (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section given

> below

> > contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will not. I

> > HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I depend

> > upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I am

> trying

> > to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various

> authors,

> > nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing ones.

> > Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are

> > conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th house. The

> > section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and

> separate

> > the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we will try

> > analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason for

> > failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and which I

> > depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') are texts

> > such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, Saravali and

> > BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics and

> > quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing

> material

> > for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And here it

> > goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.

> > ==========================

> >

> > If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and wealth

> > would be less. The native will not give much importance to dress and

> may

> > wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress codes. He

> > will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity of

> wealth

> > many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times even

> > turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,

> > Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in education

> > (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If Saturn is

> in

> > Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this could

> be

> > death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, Capricorn and

> > Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will demand

> > other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except in these

> > signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the dasa of

> > Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by benefics).

> >

> > If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and

> > happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a wife

> (his

> > wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad away

> from

> > wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear shabby

> cloths

> > or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will commit

> > sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of Saturn.

> (This

> > result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn is not

> in

> > own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and is

> > aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own house then

> > too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize to a

> > limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.

> >

> > If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics then the

> > death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But instead it

> > should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl with much

> > age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually she is

> > (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a girl who

> is

> > not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be delay

> in

> > marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the

> marriage

> > would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also possible

> > that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in relation

> –

> > i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a relation was

> > present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th aspected by

> > Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a girl/boy

> who

> > is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have such an

> > experience (provided other combinations also support the same) or that

> > he/she will marry more than once.

> >

> > If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper wife/husband

> –

> > at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good wife/husband

> > (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good wife/husband)

> > he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not live

> long.

> > This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted or in own

> > house.

> >

> > If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, then there

> > is a chance that the native may have diseases related to Pancreas,

> > Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) or

> Sugar.

> >

> > If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have

> > children or may have some disease or problems related to Ultras or

> > Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's horoscope,

> > the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband with much

> > age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or exalted.

> >

> > Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is sure to

> > give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if

> > Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo lagna

> > in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife (death of

> > wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also

> > occurs.

> > Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with Saturn in

> 7th,

> > a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.

> > If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a

> serious

> > attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a mature

> > manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth, and

> will

> > love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the sexual

> > urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of males

> > this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is present then

> > during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation from

> > wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange

> > between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love marriage

> and

> > would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy married

> > life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and wealth. In

> > the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative

> > activities trying to improve his own position, repute and power. This

> > gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives all

> good

> > results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord

> indicates

> > the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his beneficial

> > qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and well

> > placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the native

> > will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but still

> > the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to this case

> > – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same;

> where

> > as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries lagna).

> But

> > if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go upside down

> > with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and deeds

> (with

> > can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions support the

> > same), his wife not getting enough attention.

> > ==========================

> >

> > Please note the following points -

> > * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of this

> > discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn will

> > give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also what

> would

> > be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is present for

> > Saturn.

> > * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of

> > experimenting with the derived results by the use of " Blind charts

> with

> > Saturn in 7th house " , and the participants who enriched their

> > understanding about " Saturn in 7th house " should then participate in

> the

> > quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts should

> be

> > revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji, Sunil ji

> > etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now itself.

> Let

> > us learn through experience and experimenting.

> > * I request all " Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions) " ; so that the

> > trick of " explaining away anything " played by some can be avoided.

> > * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we will accept

> > and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT USING EXTRA

> > PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.

> > Regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " neelam gupta "

> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > Re: Re: sani in 7th house

> > Dear All,

> > Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:

> > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,

> > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating her

> > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc

> > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not

> good

> > looking and strong.

> > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th

> house,

> > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles etc -

> > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he

> does

> > he will not enjoy the same.

> > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th

> house,

> > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not believe

> in

> > God and consequently less punya.

> >

> > However, I beg to differ with her specific results

> > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause the

> bad

> > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good

> > spouse, good wealth and good punya.

> >

> > If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house in 7H it

> > will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage may be a

> bit

> > late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The native

> > will project a good image to others.

> > But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have to go by

> > lagna:

> > an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an inimical

> > aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.

> > It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may cause harm

> to

> > mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth place.

> > It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not be very

> > good for father.

> > On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is debilitated and

> > thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna on tula

> > sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, similarly it

> > will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very good for

> 4H

> > affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H and

> hence

> > will be good for 9H affairs.

> > We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

> >

> >

> > On 19/01/2008, Kiran R kiran.rama@

> >

>

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> \

> > JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:

> > Sreenadhji,

> >

> > here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:

> >

> > Saturn in 7th house can give following results:

> > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,

> > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating her

> > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc

> > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not

> good

> > looking and strong.

> > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th

> house,

> > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles etc -

> > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he

> does

> > he will not enjoy the same.

> > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th

> house,

> > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not believe

> in

> > God and consequently less punya.

> >

> > Now what are the exceptions:

> > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause the

> bad

> > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good

> > spouse, good wealth and good punya.

> > 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good

> spouse/married

> > life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) which is

> in

> > exaltation

> > 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not harm

> the

> > 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic aspect

> the

> > 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and spirituality.

> > Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be good

> > looking

> > 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest assured

> > extreme results with no marriage, or divorce

> > 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a lesser

> > degree

> >

> > Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g: Saturn

> for

> > Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth lord).

> For

> > such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st and 2nd

> > lord is going to sustana.

> >

> > I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, Chandrashekarji to

> > confirm my analysis.

> >

> > regards

> > kiran

> >

> > Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he will

> > destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to the

> 7H.

> >

> > Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?

> >

> > Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant etc: and

> > Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, grief from

> > spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.

> >

> > Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?

> > Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect the

> lagna

> > (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal uncle, real

> > estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause problems of

> > wealth

> >

> > Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?

> > Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house stands for

> > occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in society

> >

> > SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji

> >

> > Sreenadh < sreesog@

> >

>

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> \

> > AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:

> > Dear All,

> > This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body sure what

> > to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members like

> > Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this long

> thread

> > for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our current

> > location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the

> various

> > possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some tangible and

> > solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next mail.

> > It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka and

> > numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words like

> > good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - What is

> the

> > RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your answers

> > and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's reading with

> > practical chart examples in our collection with the same combination.

> > So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in 7th,

> more

> > valuable and creative.

> > And please note -

> > * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, naskshatras,

> > karakamsas and so on.

> > * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any house); at the

> > most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding ownhouse,

> > exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak about the

> > RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc

> > * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you know and what

> > you don't; what you trust and what you not.

> > * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by them; if the

> > CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection and

> > actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever names

> or

> > books you quote - that would be rejected.

> > So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march! Find the

> > thief and hang him, for all to view!

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Renu ji,

==>

NH2 theory: [if I reverse it..]

Saturn in 7H = 6th house lord in 7th house

= In KP 6th house is Virgo; thus we take Virgo as lagna;

6th house from Virgo is Aquarius, owner Saturn;

[as we placed Mercury in various houses when 2HL was

discussed, I suppose we can consider Saturn similarly

as far as 6H of KP per NH2 theory is considered]

Hence we arrive at Sa,6H lord for Virgo placed in 7H.

<==

I don't understand what you are saying. Please don't use NH2 as

of now - till you see what it is. NH2 is given only to decipher the results

related to "House lords" (i.e House base results); and here you are

trying to use it(?) related to Planet-House base result derivation; they two

are distinctly different things. So as of now please forget NH2 - and let

us not confuse ourselves and others. We will use and understand it in

detail later.

==>

> According to NH1 theory, Sa placed in 7H will be an exalted Saturn

> and hence leading to conjugal bliss and other positive things

> attributable to 7H.

<==

This I agree - presented well; But still don't forget that it is

Saturn, with all the possibilities of giving bad results as well, if other

conditions are even slightly favorable. Remember the chart provided by

you in which Saturn in own house in Capricorn created a womanizer. That

is a pointer to the fact that - even when providing material comforts - Saturn

CAN certainly cause bad results - if not for him, but for others. For

Aries lagna - think what if the 7th lord Venus is debilitated (in 6th) while

Saturn is exalted. Similar results? What if Saturn in 7th is aspected

by Moon? Two marriages or is it that his or his wife's parents would be twice

married? What if another malefic (such as Mars or Sun) is present along

with Saturn in 7th in Libra? Lose of wife? What if there is a mutual exchange

between 5th and 7th lords which Saturn is in 7th in Libra? A love marriage, sincerity

and a happy married life? What if Saturn, and Sun is in 7th - and Sun's dasa

running? Marriage in time or would it be a late marriage? Check your

sample data collection.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > According to NH1 theory, Sa placed in 7H will be an exalted Saturn > and hence leading to conjugal bliss and other positive things > attributable to 7H.> > NH2 theory: [if I reverse it..]> > Saturn in 7H = 6th house lord in 7th house> = In KP 6th house is Virgo; thus we take Virgo as lagna;> 6th house from Virgo is Aquarius, owner Saturn;> [as we placed Mercury in various houses when 2HL was > discussed, I suppose we can consider Saturn similarly> as far as 6H of KP per NH2 theory is considered]> Hence we arrive at Sa,6H lord for Virgo placed in 7H.> > Now coming to general theory, 6HL in 7H gives mostly negative > results as per 7H is considered. > [a]. 6HL is the lord of adversities.> . for 7H, 6HL is the 12th lord from it.> > Wild imagination...Right????? I am not sure whether I have grasped > your NH2 theory properly after so many instructions given by you. > But opening my mind..I am sure I will get it right even after many > failed attempts.> > blessings> > Renu> , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear All,> > To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - RESULTS,> > related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify one > thing> > in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a > collection> > (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section given > below> > contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will not. I> > HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I > depend> > upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I am > trying> > to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various > authors,> > nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing ones. > > Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are> > conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th house. > The> > section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and > separate> > the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we will try> > analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason for> > failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and which I> > depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') are > texts> > such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, Saravali > and> > BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics and> > quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing > material> > for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And here > it> > goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.> > ==========================> > > > If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and wealth> > would be less. The native will not give much importance to dress > and may> > wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress > codes. He> > will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity of > wealth> > many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times > even> > turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,> > Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in education> > (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If Saturn > is in> > Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this > could be> > death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, Capricorn > and> > Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will > demand> > other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except in > these> > signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the > dasa of> > Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by benefics).> > > > If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and> > happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a > wife (his> > wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad away > from> > wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear shabby > cloths> > or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will > commit> > sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of Saturn. > (This> > result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn is > not in> > own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and is> > aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own house > then> > too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize to a> > limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.> > > > If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics then > the> > death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But instead it> > should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl with > much> > age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually > she is> > (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a girl > who is> > not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be > delay in> > marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the > marriage> > would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also possible> > that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in > relation –> > i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a relation > was> > present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th aspected by> > Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a > girl/boy who> > is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have such > an> > experience (provided other combinations also support the same) or > that> > he/she will marry more than once.> > > > If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper wife/husband –> > at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good > wife/husband> > (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good > wife/husband)> > he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not live > long.> > This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted or in > own> > house.> > > > If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, then > there> > is a chance that the native may have diseases related to Pancreas,> > Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) or > Sugar.> > > > If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have> > children or may have some disease or problems related to Ultras or> > Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's horoscope,> > the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband with > much> > age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or > exalted.> > > > Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is sure > to> > give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if> > Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo > lagna> > in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife (death > of> > wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also> > occurs.> > Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with Saturn > in 7th,> > a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.> > If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a > serious> > attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a > mature> > manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth, > and will> > love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the > sexual> > urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of > males> > this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is present > then> > during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation > from> > wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange> > between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love > marriage and> > would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy > married> > life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and > wealth. In> > the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative> > activities trying to improve his own position, repute and power. > This> > gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives all > good> > results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord > indicates> > the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his > beneficial> > qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and well> > placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the > native> > will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but still> > the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to this > case> > – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same; > where> > as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries > lagna). But> > if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go upside > down> > with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and deeds > (with> > can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions support > the> > same), his wife not getting enough attention.> > ==========================> > > > Please note the following points -> > * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of this> > discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn > will> > give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also what > would> > be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is present > for> > Saturn.> > * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of> > experimenting with the derived results by the use of "Blind > charts with> > Saturn in 7th house", and the participants who enriched their> > understanding about "Saturn in 7th house" should then participate > in the> > quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts > should be> > revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji, > Sunil ji > > etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now > itself. Let> > us learn through experience and experimenting.> > * I request all "Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions)" ; so that > the> > trick of "explaining away anything" played by some can be avoided.> > * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we will > accept> > and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT USING > EXTRA> > PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.> > Regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > , "neelam gupta"> > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > Re: Re: sani in 7th house> > Dear All,> > Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:> > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,> > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating > her> > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not > good> > looking and strong.> > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th > house,> > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles > etc -> > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he > does> > he will not enjoy the same.> > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th > house,> > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not > believe in > > God and consequently less punya.> > > > However, I beg to differ with her specific results> > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause > the bad> > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good> > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > > > If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house in > 7H it> > will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage may be > a bit> > late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The > native> > will project a good image to others.> > But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have to > go by> > lagna:> > an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an inimical> > aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.> > It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may cause > harm to> > mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth > place.> > It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not be > very> > good for father.> > On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is debilitated > and> > thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna on > tula> > sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, similarly > it> > will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very good > for 4H> > affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H and > hence> > will be good for 9H affairs.> > We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.> > Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > On 19/01/2008, Kiran R kiran.rama@ > > <../../../../post?postID=P767P6WYrOKRqDLo-> Nqbo_BDHHHNbw2vM3gcBffOndZc2Ze\> > JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:> > Sreenadhji,> > > > here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:> > > > Saturn in 7th house can give following results:> > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,> > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating > her> > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not > good> > looking and strong.> > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th > house,> > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles > etc -> > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he > does> > he will not enjoy the same.> > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th > house,> > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not > believe in > > God and consequently less punya.> > > > Now what are the exceptions:> > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause > the bad> > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good> > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good > spouse/married> > life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) which > is in> > exaltation> > 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not > harm the> > 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic > aspect the> > 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and spirituality.> > Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be good> > looking> > 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest > assured> > extreme results with no marriage, or divorce> > 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a > lesser> > degree> > > > Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g: > Saturn for> > Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth > lord). For> > such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st and > 2nd> > lord is going to sustana.> > > > I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, Chandrashekarji > to> > confirm my analysis.> > > > regards> > kiran> > > > Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he will> > destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to > the 7H.> > > > Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?> > > > Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant etc: and> > Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, grief > from> > spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.> > > > Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?> > Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect the > lagna> > (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal uncle, > real> > estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause problems of> > wealth> > > > Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?> > Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house stands > for> > occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in society> > > > SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji> > > > Sreenadh < sreesog@> > <../../../../post?> postID=Z_RG1gaxZbRl7yKlthGvQPlsmXs1upj0TjKJsDqfq5Rs1dz\> > AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:> > Dear All,> > This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body > sure what> > to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members > like> > Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this long > thread> > for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our current> > location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the > various> > possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some tangible > and> > solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next > mail.> > It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka and> > numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words > like> > good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - What > is the> > RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your > answers> > and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's reading > with> > practical chart examples in our collection with the same > combination. > > So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in > 7th, more> > valuable and creative.> > And please note -> > * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, naskshatras,> > karakamsas and so on.> > * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any house); at > the> > most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding ownhouse,> > exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak about the> > RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc> > * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you know > and what> > you don't; what you trust and what you not.> > * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by them; if > the> > CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection and> > actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever > names or> > books you quote - that would be rejected.> > So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march! > Find the> > thief and hang him, for all to view! > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Renu ji,

Even though your and my understanding on NH2 differ.

For me -

6th house lord in 2nd house from it (6th house lord in 7th) is

equivalent to = 6th house lord from Virgo in 2nd house from Virgo.

i.e it is as if Saturn is in Libra for Virgo lagna; causing

a house wreck.

 

For you -

6th house lord in 7th house is equivalent to = 6th house

lord from Virgo in 7th house from Virgo.

i.e it is as if Saturn is in Pisces for Virgo lagna; causing

a house wreck.

 

Note the difference in our use and understanding of NH2.

 

Any way what ever logic we follow if we can arrive at the result and

explain the result derived by the sage - then it is OK. If we can explain

the derivation (and thus the actual event) without resorting to any NH1 or NH2,

then that much better.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > "If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo lagna in Pisces, aspected by malefics,> then for sure lose of wife (death of wife or divorce) is certain –> provided the dasa of Saturn also occurs. "> > When I went through your 'material for thought' for the second> time...this struck me. [i may be a tube light.... [] ].......Don't> you think we can explain the logic behind above dictum through NH2> theory???> > i. e. 6HL placed in 7H = Taking Virgo, the 6H in KP as lagna and placing> 6HL from it namely Saturn, in 7H ..Pisces.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear All,> > To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - RESULTS,> > related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify one thing> > in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a collection> > (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section given> below> > contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will not. I> > HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I depend> > upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I am> trying> > to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various> authors,> > nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing ones.> > Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are> > conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th house. The> > section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and> separate> > the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we will try> > analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason for> > failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and which I> > depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') are texts> > such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, Saravali and> > BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics and> > quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing> material> > for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And here it> > goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.> > ==========================> >> > If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and wealth> > would be less. The native will not give much importance to dress and> may> > wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress codes. He> > will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity of> wealth> > many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times even> > turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,> > Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in education> > (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If Saturn is> in> > Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this could> be> > death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, Capricorn and> > Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will demand> > other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except in these> > signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the dasa of> > Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by benefics).> >> > If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and> > happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a wife> (his> > wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad away> from> > wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear shabby> cloths> > or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will commit> > sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of Saturn.> (This> > result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn is not> in> > own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and is> > aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own house then> > too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize to a> > limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.> >> > If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics then the> > death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But instead it> > should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl with much> > age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually she is> > (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a girl who> is> > not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be delay> in> > marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the> marriage> > would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also possible> > that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in relation> –> > i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a relation was> > present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th aspected by> > Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a girl/boy> who> > is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have such an> > experience (provided other combinations also support the same) or that> > he/she will marry more than once.> >> > If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper wife/husband> –> > at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good wife/husband> > (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good wife/husband)> > he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not live> long.> > This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted or in own> > house.> >> > If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, then there> > is a chance that the native may have diseases related to Pancreas,> > Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) or> Sugar.> >> > If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have> > children or may have some disease or problems related to Ultras or> > Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's horoscope,> > the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband with much> > age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or exalted.> >> > Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is sure to> > give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if> > Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo lagna> > in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife (death of> > wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also> > occurs.> > Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with Saturn in> 7th,> > a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.> > If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a> serious> > attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a mature> > manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth, and> will> > love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the sexual> > urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of males> > this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is present then> > during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation from> > wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange> > between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love marriage> and> > would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy married> > life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and wealth. In> > the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative> > activities trying to improve his own position, repute and power. This> > gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives all> good> > results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord> indicates> > the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his beneficial> > qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and well> > placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the native> > will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but still> > the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to this case> > – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same;> where> > as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries lagna).> But> > if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go upside down> > with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and deeds> (with> > can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions support the> > same), his wife not getting enough attention.> > ==========================> >> > Please note the following points -> > * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of this> > discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn will> > give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also what> would> > be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is present for> > Saturn.> > * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of> > experimenting with the derived results by the use of "Blind charts> with> > Saturn in 7th house", and the participants who enriched their> > understanding about "Saturn in 7th house" should then participate in> the> > quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts should> be> > revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji, Sunil ji> > etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now itself. > Let> > us learn through experience and experimenting.> > * I request all "Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions)" ; so that the> > trick of "explaining away anything" played by some can be avoided.> > * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we will accept> > and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT USING EXTRA> > PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.> > Regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , "neelam gupta"> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > Re: Re: sani in 7th house> > Dear All,> > Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:> > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,> > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating her> > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not> good> > looking and strong.> > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th> house,> > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles etc -> > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he> does> > he will not enjoy the same.> > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th> house,> > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not believe> in> > God and consequently less punya.> >> > However, I beg to differ with her specific results> > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause the> bad> > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good> > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> >> > If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house in 7H it> > will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage may be a> bit> > late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The native> > will project a good image to others.> > But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have to go by> > lagna:> > an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an inimical> > aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.> > It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may cause harm> to> > mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth place.> > It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not be very> > good for father.> > On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is debilitated and> > thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna on tula> > sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, similarly it> > will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very good for> 4H> > affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H and> hence> > will be good for 9H affairs.> > We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> >> > On 19/01/2008, Kiran R kiran.rama@> >> <../../../../post?postID=P767P6WYrOKRqDLo-Nqbo_BDHHHNbw2vM3gcBffOndZc2Ze\> \> > JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:> > Sreenadhji,> >> > here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:> >> > Saturn in 7th house can give following results:> > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,> > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating her> > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not> good> > looking and strong.> > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th> house,> > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles etc -> > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he> does> > he will not enjoy the same.> > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th> house,> > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not believe> in> > God and consequently less punya.> >> > Now what are the exceptions:> > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause the> bad> > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good> > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good> spouse/married> > life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) which is> in> > exaltation> > 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not harm> the> > 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic aspect> the> > 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and spirituality.> > Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be good> > looking> > 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest assured> > extreme results with no marriage, or divorce> > 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a lesser> > degree> >> > Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g: Saturn> for> > Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth lord).> For> > such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st and 2nd> > lord is going to sustana.> >> > I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, Chandrashekarji to> > confirm my analysis.> >> > regards> > kiran> >> > Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he will> > destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to the> 7H.> >> > Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?> >> > Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant etc: and> > Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, grief from> > spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.> >> > Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?> > Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect the> lagna> > (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal uncle, real> > estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause problems of> > wealth> >> > Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?> > Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house stands for> > occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in society> >> > SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji> >> > Sreenadh < sreesog@> >> <../../../../post?postID=Z_RG1gaxZbRl7yKlthGvQPlsmXs1upj0TjKJsDqfq5Rs1dz\> \> > AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:> > Dear All,> > This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body sure what> > to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members like> > Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this long> thread> > for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our current> > location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the> various> > possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some tangible and> > solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next mail.> > It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka and> > numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words like> > good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - What is> the> > RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your answers> > and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's reading with> > practical chart examples in our collection with the same combination.> > So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in 7th,> more> > valuable and creative.> > And please note -> > * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, naskshatras,> > karakamsas and so on.> > * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any house); at the> > most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding ownhouse,> > exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak about the> > RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc> > * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you know and what> > you don't; what you trust and what you not.> > * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by them; if the> > CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection and> > actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever names> or> > books you quote - that would be rejected.> > So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march! Find the> > thief and hang him, for all to view! > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Renu ji,

That was nice. OK - now comes the cute question -

if Saturn in 7th in Libra for Aries lagna usually gives beneficial results

(especially if Venus is well placed), then why people with the same combination

is reporting bad life incidents as well? For example look at the mail of

Sourabh Sharma ji.

/message/6866. To

quote the relevant portion from his mail,

==>

> In another chart of my friend - he has Saturn exalted in Libra in

the 7th house.

> His marriage is the worst and ended in divorce within 2 years.

<==

Here is the point where we need to address the major and one of

the most important questions regarding Saturn in 7th house - i.e. Why sages

always gave special importance to conjunction of Saturn with other planets in

7th house? Look at any standard text, unlike the results given for other

planets, when they deal with Saturn and especially with Saturn in 7th or 8th - definitely

they will give conjunction result of Saturn with other planets in that house as

well. Why?! Because, similar to Mercury, such conjunctions can drastically

change the quality of Saturn in 7th; this is some thing unique that should be

kept in mind while dealing with Saturn in 7th house! Another point to

note is that - even though Saturn in 7th in Libra from Aries lagna will give

good results for the native - if Saturn's dasa comes that will certainly

provide some unconventional behavior, attitudes and habits to the

native (such as shabby cloths, not following dress codes, loss of interst in

sex, boredom from social norms and acts and as a result opting for new

areas of activity and so on) . If a Saturn providing such trends are affected

by malefics, and if the dasa of saturn comes then for sure the native may go

for extra marital affairs or divorce may materialize!!! So provided the

conditions are met (i.e. malefic conjunct or aspect+dasa o Saturn) - the

exalted Saturn which is supposed to give all the good results can provide/create

the worst scenario; think what if it is also retrograde!

Note: I request Sourabh Sharma ji to provide the details of the

above horoscope, so that it could be verified, whether was it the fact

regarding the said horoscope.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:

 

Re: Saturn in 7th house (Material for thought)

 

Dear Sreenadh ji,

Let me give my opinion on the following based on a known male

native. I would reserve a female chart for later submission. After

all, why not for a change...'gentlemen first"....to satisfy male ego????

"Aries Lagna with Saturn in 7th, a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.

If Saturn is in 7th

for Aries lagna, then the native will have a serious attitude towards

everything; will make the native behave in a mature manner. He would be

dedicated in work, will have enough wealth, and will love his wife.

Yes, to all above with both hands raised.

He will have happy married life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and wealth. In

the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative

activities trying to improve his own position, repute and power. This

gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives all good

results related to the same.

Yes, without any hesitation.

It should be noted that, 7th lord indicates the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his beneficial qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and well placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the native will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife

Yes, the native enjoys a happy life along with his wife. Minor heart ailments are present, yet under complete control.

–

but still the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to

this case – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same

No, but I think the wife's palcement of planets would balance in this particular native.

blessings

Renu

My answers are based on a known

 

> , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear All,> > To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - RESULTS,> > related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify one thing> > in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a collection> > (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section given> below> > contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will not. I> > HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I depend> > upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I am> trying> > to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various> authors,> > nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing ones.> > Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are> > conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th house. The> > section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and> separate> > the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we will try> > analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason for> > failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and which I> > depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') are texts> > such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, Saravali and> > BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics and> > quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing> material> > for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And here it> > goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.> > ==========================> >> > If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and wealth> > would be less. The native will not give much importance to dress and> may> > wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress codes. He> > will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity of> wealth> > many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times even> > turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,> > Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in education> > (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If Saturn is> in> > Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this could> be> > death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, Capricorn and> > Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will demand> > other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except in these> > signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the dasa of> > Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by benefics).> >> > If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and> > happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a wife> (his> > wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad away> from> > wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear shabby> cloths> > or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will commit> > sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of Saturn.> (This> > result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn is not> in> > own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and is> > aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own house then> > too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize to a> > limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.> >> > If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics then the> > death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But instead it> > should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl with much> > age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually she is> > (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a girl who> is> > not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be delay> in> > marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the> marriage> > would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also possible> > that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in relation> –> > i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a relation was> > present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th aspected by> > Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a girl/boy> who> > is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have such an> > experience (provided other combinations also support the same) or that> > he/she will marry more than once.> >> > If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper wife/husband> –> > at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good wife/husband> > (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good wife/husband)> > he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not live> long.> > This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted or in own> > house.> >> > If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, then there> > is a chance that the native may have diseases related to Pancreas,> > Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) or> Sugar.> >> > If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have> > children or may have some disease or problems related to Ultras or> > Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's horoscope,> > the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband with much> > age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or exalted.> >> > Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is sure to> > give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if> > Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo lagna> > in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife (death of> > wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also> > occurs.> > Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with Saturn in> 7th,> > a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.> > If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a> serious> > attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a mature> > manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth, and> will> > love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the sexual> > urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of males> > this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is present then> > during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation from> > wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange> > between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love marriage> and> > would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy married> > life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and wealth. In> > the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative> > activities trying to improve his own position, repute and power. This> > gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives all> good> > results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord> indicates> > the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his beneficial> > qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and well> > placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the native> > will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but still> > the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to this case> > – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same;> where> > as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries lagna).> But> > if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go upside down> > with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and deeds> (with> > can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions support the> > same), his wife not getting enough attention.> > ==========================> >> > Please note the following points -> > * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of this> > discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn will> > give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also what> would> > be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is present for> > Saturn.> > * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of> > experimenting with the derived results by the use of "Blind charts> with> > Saturn in 7th house", and the participants who enriched their> > understanding about "Saturn in 7th house" should then participate in> the> > quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts should> be> > revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji, Sunil ji> > etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now itself. > Let> > us learn through experience and experimenting.> > * I request all "Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions)" ; so that the> > trick of "explaining away anything" played by some can be avoided.> > * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we will accept> > and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT USING EXTRA> > PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.> > Regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , "neelam gupta"> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > Re: Re: sani in 7th house> > Dear All,> > Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:> > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,> > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating her> > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not> good> > looking and strong.> > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th> house,> > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles etc -> > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he> does> > he will not enjoy the same.> > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th> house,> > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not believe> in> > God and consequently less punya.> >> > However, I beg to differ with her specific results> > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause the> bad> > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good> > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> >> > If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house in 7H it> > will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage may be a> bit> > late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The native> > will project a good image to others.> > But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have to go by> > lagna:> > an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an inimical> > aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.> > It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may cause harm> to> > mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth place.> > It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not be very> > good for father.> > On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is debilitated and> > thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna on tula> > sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, similarly it> > will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very good for> 4H> > affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H and> hence> > will be good for 9H affairs.> > We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> >> > On 19/01/2008, Kiran R kiran.rama@> >> <../../../../post?postID=P767P6WYrOKRqDLo-Nqbo_BDHHHNbw2vM3gcBffOndZc2Ze\> \> > JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:> > Sreenadhji,> >> > here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:> >> > Saturn in 7th house can give following results:> > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,> > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating her> > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not> good> > looking and strong.> > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th> house,> > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles etc -> > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he> does> > he will not enjoy the same.> > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th> house,> > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not believe> in> > God and consequently less punya.> >> > Now what are the exceptions:> > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause the> bad> > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good> > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good> spouse/married> > life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) which is> in> > exaltation> > 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not harm> the> > 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic aspect> the> > 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and spirituality.> > Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be good> > looking> > 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest assured> > extreme results with no marriage, or divorce> > 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a lesser> > degree> >> > Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g: Saturn> for> > Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth lord).> For> > such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st and 2nd> > lord is going to sustana.> >> > I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, Chandrashekarji to> > confirm my analysis.> >> > regards> > kiran> >> > Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he will> > destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to the> 7H.> >> > Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?> >> > Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant etc: and> > Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, grief from> > spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.> >> > Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?> > Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect the> lagna> > (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal uncle, real> > estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause problems of> > wealth> >> > Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?> > Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house stands for> > occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in society> >> > SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji> >> > Sreenadh < sreesog@> >> <../../../../post?postID=Z_RG1gaxZbRl7yKlthGvQPlsmXs1upj0TjKJsDqfq5Rs1dz\> \> > AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:> > Dear All,> > This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body sure what> > to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members like> > Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this long> thread> > for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our current> > location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the> various> > possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some tangible and> > solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next mail.> > It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka and> > numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words like> > good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - What is> the> > RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your answers> > and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's reading with> > practical chart examples in our collection with the same combination.> > So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in 7th,> more> > valuable and creative.> > And please note -> > * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, naskshatras,> > karakamsas and so on.> > * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any house); at the> > most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding ownhouse,> > exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak about the> > RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc> > * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you know and what> > you don't; what you trust and what you not.> > * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by them; if the> > CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection and> > actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever names> or> > books you quote - that would be rejected.> > So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march! Find the> > thief and hang him, for all to view! > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >>

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

> I don't understand what you are saying. Please don't use NH2 as of> now - till you see what it is. NH2 is given only to decipher the results> related to "House lords" (i.e House base results); and here you are> trying to use it(?) related to Planet-House base result derivation; they> two are distinctly different things. So as of now please forget NH2 -> and let us not confuse ourselves and others. We will use and understand> it in detail later.

If you don't understand...... it simply means that I've got everything confused. So as you say let's forget about it:)

Thanks for the other vital clues given in arriving at the results, when Sa is placed in 7H.

What if there is a mutual exchange between 5th and> 7th lords which Saturn is in 7th in Libra? A love marriage, sincerity> and a happy married life? As a matter of fact the wife of Aries lagna native with exalted Saturn in the 7th house & 7HL Venus in Lagna, has a mutual exchange between 5th & 7th lords in her horoscope. So this is an additional strength to their happy married life, I assume.

blessings

Renu

> > According to NH1 theory, Sa placed in 7H will be an exalted Saturn> > and hence leading to conjugal bliss and other positive things> > attributable to 7H.> >> > NH2 theory: [if I reverse it..]> >> > Saturn in 7H = 6th house lord in 7th house> > = In KP 6th house is Virgo; thus we take Virgo as lagna;> > 6th house from Virgo is Aquarius, owner Saturn;> > [as we placed Mercury in various houses when 2HL was> > discussed, I suppose we can consider Saturn similarly> > as far as 6H of KP per NH2 theory is considered]> > Hence we arrive at Sa,6H lord for Virgo placed in 7H.> >> > Now coming to general theory, 6HL in 7H gives mostly negative> > results as per 7H is considered.> > [a]. 6HL is the lord of adversities.> > . for 7H, 6HL is the 12th lord from it.> >> > Wild imagination...Right????? I am not sure whether I have grasped> > your NH2 theory properly after so many instructions given by you.> > But opening my mind..I am sure I will get it right even after many> > failed attempts.> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear All,> > > To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - RESULTS,> > > related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify one> > thing> > > in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a> > collection> > > (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section given> > below> > > contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will not. I> > > HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I> > depend> > > upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I am> > trying> > > to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various> > authors,> > > nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing ones.> > > Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are> > > conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th house.> > The> > > section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and> > separate> > > the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we will try> > > analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason for> > > failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and which I> > > depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') are> > texts> > > such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, Saravali> > and> > > BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics and> > > quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing> > material> > > for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And here> > it> > > goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.> > > ==========================> > >> > > If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and wealth> > > would be less. The native will not give much importance to dress> > and may> > > wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress> > codes. He> > > will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity of> > wealth> > > many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times> > even> > > turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,> > > Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in education> > > (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If Saturn> > is in> > > Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this> > could be> > > death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, Capricorn> > and> > > Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will> > demand> > > other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except in> > these> > > signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the> > dasa of> > > Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by benefics).> > >> > > If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and> > > happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a> > wife (his> > > wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad away> > from> > > wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear shabby> > cloths> > > or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will> > commit> > > sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of Saturn.> > (This> > > result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn is> > not in> > > own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and is> > > aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own house> > then> > > too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize to a> > > limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.> > >> > > If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics then> > the> > > death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But instead it> > > should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl with> > much> > > age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually> > she is> > > (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a girl> > who is> > > not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be> > delay in> > > marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the> > marriage> > > would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also> possible> > > that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in> > relation –> > > i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a relation> > was> > > present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th aspected by> > > Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a> > girl/boy who> > > is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have such> > an> > > experience (provided other combinations also support the same) or> > that> > > he/she will marry more than once.> > >> > > If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper wife/husband> –> > > at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good> > wife/husband> > > (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good> > wife/husband)> > > he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not live> > long.> > > This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted or in> > own> > > house.> > >> > > If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, then> > there> > > is a chance that the native may have diseases related to Pancreas,> > > Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) or> > Sugar.> > >> > > If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have> > > children or may have some disease or problems related to Ultras or> > > Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's horoscope,> > > the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband with> > much> > > age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or> > exalted.> > >> > > Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is sure> > to> > > give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if> > > Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo> > lagna> > > in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife (death> > of> > > wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also> > > occurs.> > > Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with Saturn> > in 7th,> > > a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.> > > If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a> > serious> > > attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a> > mature> > > manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth,> > and will> > > love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the> > sexual> > > urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of> > males> > > this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is present> > then> > > during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation> > from> > > wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange> > > between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love> > marriage and> > > would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy> > married> > > life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and> > wealth. In> > > the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative> > > activities trying to improve his own position, repute and power.> > This> > > gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives all> > good> > > results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord> > indicates> > > the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his> > beneficial> > > qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and well> > > placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the> > native> > > will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but> still> > > the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to this> > case> > > – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same;> > where> > > as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries> > lagna). But> > > if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go upside> > down> > > with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and deeds> > (with> > > can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions support> > the> > > same), his wife not getting enough attention.> > > ==========================> > >> > > Please note the following points -> > > * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of this> > > discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn> > will> > > give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also what> > would> > > be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is present> > for> > > Saturn.> > > * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of> > > experimenting with the derived results by the use of "Blind> > charts with> > > Saturn in 7th house", and the participants who enriched their> > > understanding about "Saturn in 7th house" should then participate> > in the> > > quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts> > should be> > > revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji,> > Sunil ji> > > etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now> > itself. Let> > > us learn through experience and experimenting.> > > * I request all "Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions)" ; so that> > the> > > trick of "explaining away anything" played by some can be avoided.> > > * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we will> > accept> > > and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT USING> > EXTRA> > > PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.> > > Regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "neelam gupta"> > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > > Re: Re: sani in 7th house> > > Dear All,> > > Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:> > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,> > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating> > her> > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not> > good> > > looking and strong.> > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th> > house,> > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles> > etc -> > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he> > does> > > he will not enjoy the same.> > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th> > house,> > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not> > believe in> > > God and consequently less punya.> > >> > > However, I beg to differ with her specific results> > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause> > the bad> > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good> > > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > >> > > If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house in> > 7H it> > > will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage may be> > a bit> > > late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The> > native> > > will project a good image to others.> > > But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have to> > go by> > > lagna:> > > an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an inimical> > > aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.> > > It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may cause> > harm to> > > mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth> > place.> > > It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not be> > very> > > good for father.> > > On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is debilitated> > and> > > thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna on> > tula> > > sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, similarly> > it> > > will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very good> > for 4H> > > affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H and> > hence> > > will be good for 9H affairs.> > > We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > > On 19/01/2008, Kiran R kiran.rama@> > > <../../../../post?postID=P767P6WYrOKRqDLo-> > Nqbo_BDHHHNbw2vM3gcBffOndZc2Ze\> > > JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:> > > Sreenadhji,> > >> > > here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:> > >> > > Saturn in 7th house can give following results:> > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,> > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating> > her> > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not> > good> > > looking and strong.> > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th> > house,> > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles> > etc -> > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he> > does> > > he will not enjoy the same.> > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th> > house,> > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not> > believe in> > > God and consequently less punya.> > >> > > Now what are the exceptions:> > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause> > the bad> > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good> > > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > > 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good> > spouse/married> > > life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) which> > is in> > > exaltation> > > 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not> > harm the> > > 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic> > aspect the> > > 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and spirituality.> > > Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be good> > > looking> > > 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest> > assured> > > extreme results with no marriage, or divorce> > > 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a> > lesser> > > degree> > >> > > Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g:> > Saturn for> > > Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth> > lord). For> > > such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st and> > 2nd> > > lord is going to sustana.> > >> > > I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, Chandrashekarji> > to> > > confirm my analysis.> > >> > > regards> > > kiran> > >> > > Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he will> > > destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to> > the 7H.> > >> > > Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?> > >> > > Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant etc: and> > > Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, grief> > from> > > spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.> > >> > > Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?> > > Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect the> > lagna> > > (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal uncle,> > real> > > estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause problems of> > > wealth> > >> > > Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?> > > Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house stands> > for> > > occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in society> > >> > > SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji> > >> > > Sreenadh < sreesog@> > > <../../../../post?> > postID=Z_RG1gaxZbRl7yKlthGvQPlsmXs1upj0TjKJsDqfq5Rs1dz\> > > AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:> > > Dear All,> > > This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body> > sure what> > > to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members> > like> > > Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this long> > thread> > > for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our current> > > location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the> > various> > > possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some tangible> > and> > > solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next> > mail.> > > It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka and> > > numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words> > like> > > good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - What> > is the> > > RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your> > answers> > > and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's reading> > with> > > practical chart examples in our collection with the same> > combination.> > > So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in> > 7th, more> > > valuable and creative.> > > And please note -> > > * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, naskshatras,> > > karakamsas and so on.> > > * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any house); at> > the> > > most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding ownhouse,> > > exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak about the> > > RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc> > > * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you know> > and what> > > you don't; what you trust and what you not.> > > * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by them; if> > the> > > CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection and> > > actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever> > names or> > > books you quote - that would be rejected.> > > So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march! > > Find the> > > thief and hang him, for all to view! > > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> >>

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

 

I AM learning from you..so your logic here as to NH2 should

obviously be correct

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

>

> Dear Renu ji,

> Even though your and my understanding on NH2 differ.

> For me -

> 6th house lord in 2nd house from it (6th house lord in 7th) is

> equivalent to = 6th house lord from Virgo in 2nd house from Virgo.

> i.e it is as if Saturn is in Libra for Virgo lagna; causing a

house

> wreck.

>

> For you -

> 6th house lord in 7th house is equivalent to = 6th house lord

from

> Virgo in 7th house from Virgo.

> i.e it is as if Saturn is in Pisces for Virgo lagna; causing

a house

> wreck.

>

> Note the difference in our use and understanding of NH2.

>

> Any way what ever logic we follow if we can arrive at the

result and

> explain the result derived by the sage - then it is OK. If we can

> explain the derivation (and thus the actual event) without

resorting to

> any NH1 or NH2, then that much better.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

> , " renunw " <renunw@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > " If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo lagna in Pisces, aspected by

malefics,

> > then for sure lose of wife (death of wife or divorce) is

certain –

> > provided the dasa of Saturn also occurs. "

> >

> > When I went through your 'material for thought' for the second

> > time...this struck me. [i may be a tube light.... [:

(] ].......Don't

> > you think we can explain the logic behind above dictum through

NH2

> > theory???

> >

> > i. e. 6HL placed in 7H = Taking Virgo, the 6H in KP as lagna and

> placing

> > 6HL from it namely Saturn, in 7H ..Pisces.

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> >

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > sreesog@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear All,

> > > To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - RESULTS,

> > > related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify one

> thing

> > > in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a

collection

> > > (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section

given

> > below

> > > contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will

not. I

> > > HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I

> depend

> > > upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I

am

> > trying

> > > to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various

> > authors,

> > > nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing

ones.

> > > Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are

> > > conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th

house. The

> > > section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and

> > separate

> > > the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we

will try

> > > analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason

for

> > > failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and which

I

> > > depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house')

are

> texts

> > > such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora,

Saravali and

> > > BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics

and

> > > quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing

> > material

> > > for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And

here it

> > > goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.

> > > ==========================

> > >

> > > If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and

wealth

> > > would be less. The native will not give much importance to

dress and

> > may

> > > wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress

codes.

> He

> > > will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity

of

> > wealth

> > > many times in life. (But note that hard working people at

times even

> > > turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,

> > > Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in

education

> > > (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If

Saturn is

> > in

> > > Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this

could

> > be

> > > death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra,

Capricorn and

> > > Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will

> demand

> > > other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except

in

> these

> > > signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the

dasa

> of

> > > Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by

benefics).

> > >

> > > If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and

> > > happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a

wife

> > (his

> > > wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad

away

> > from

> > > wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear

shabby

> > cloths

> > > or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will

> commit

> > > sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of

Saturn.

> > (This

> > > result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn

is not

> > in

> > > own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and

is

> > > aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own

house

> then

> > > too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize

to a

> > > limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.

> > >

> > > If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics

then

> the

> > > death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But

instead it

> > > should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl

with

> much

> > > age difference; or that the wife looks much older than

actually she

> is

> > > (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a

girl

> who

> > is

> > > not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be

delay

> > in

> > > marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the

> > marriage

> > > would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also

> possible

> > > that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in

relation

> > –

> > > i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a

relation

> was

> > > present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th

aspected by

> > > Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a

girl/boy

> > who

> > > is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have

such an

> > > experience (provided other combinations also support the same)

or

> that

> > > he/she will marry more than once.

> > >

> > > If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper

wife/husband

> > –

> > > at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good

> wife/husband

> > > (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good

> wife/husband)

> > > he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not

live

> > long.

> > > This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted

or in

> own

> > > house.

> > >

> > > If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn,

then

> there

> > > is a chance that the native may have diseases related to

Pancreas,

> > > Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases)

or

> > Sugar.

> > >

> > > If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have

> > > children or may have some disease or problems related to

Ultras or

> > > Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's

horoscope,

> > > the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband

with

> much

> > > age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or

> exalted.

> > >

> > > Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is

sure to

> > > give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if

> > > Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo

lagna

> > > in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife

(death

> of

> > > wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also

> > > occurs.

> > > Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with

Saturn in

> > 7th,

> > > a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.

> > > If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have

a

> > serious

> > > attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a

mature

> > > manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough

wealth, and

> > will

> > > love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the

> sexual

> > > urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of

> males

> > > this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is

present

> then

> > > during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer

separation from

> > > wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange

> > > between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love

marriage

> > and

> > > would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy

married

> > > life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and

wealth.

> In

> > > the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative

> > > activities trying to improve his own position, repute and

power.

> This

> > > gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives

all

> > good

> > > results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord

> > indicates

> > > the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his

beneficial

> > > qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and

well

> > > placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the

native

> > > will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but

> still

> > > the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to

this

> case

> > > – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same;

> > where

> > > as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries

lagna).

> > But

> > > if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go

upside

> down

> > > with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and

deeds

> > (with

> > > can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions

support

> the

> > > same), his wife not getting enough attention.

> > > ==========================

> > >

> > > Please note the following points -

> > > * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of this

> > > discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results

Saturn will

> > > give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also

what

> > would

> > > be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is

present

> for

> > > Saturn.

> > > * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of

> > > experimenting with the derived results by the use of " Blind

charts

> > with

> > > Saturn in 7th house " , and the participants who enriched their

> > > understanding about " Saturn in 7th house " should then

participate in

> > the

> > > quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts

should

> > be

> > > revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji,

Sunil

> ji

> > > etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now

itself.

> > Let

> > > us learn through experience and experimenting.

> > > * I request all " Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions) " ; so that

the

> > > trick of " explaining away anything " played by some can be

avoided.

> > > * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we will

accept

> > > and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT

USING

> EXTRA

> > > PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.

> > > Regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " neelam gupta "

> > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > Re: Re: sani in 7th house

> > > Dear All,

> > > Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:

> > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in

marriage,

> > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband

treating her

> > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc

> > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is

not

> > good

> > > looking and strong.

> > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the

4th

> > house,

> > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real

estate/vehicles etc

> -

> > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even

if he

> > does

> > > he will not enjoy the same.

> > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the

9th

> > house,

> > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not

believe

> > in

> > > God and consequently less punya.

> > >

> > > However, I beg to differ with her specific results

> > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not

cause the

> > bad

> > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give

good

> > > spouse, good wealth and good punya.

> > >

> > > If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house

in 7H

> it

> > > will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage

may be a

> > bit

> > > late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The

native

> > > will project a good image to others.

> > > But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have

to go

> by

> > > lagna:

> > > an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an

inimical

> > > aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.

> > > It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may

cause

> harm

> > to

> > > mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth

> place.

> > > It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not

be

> very

> > > good for father.

> > > On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is

debilitated

> and

> > > thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna

on

> tula

> > > sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects,

similarly

> it

> > > will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very

good for

> > 4H

> > > affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H

and

> > hence

> > > will be good for 9H affairs.

> > > We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.

> > > Regards

> > > Neelam

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > On 19/01/2008, Kiran R kiran.rama@

> > >

> >

> <../../../../post?postID=P767P6WYrOKRqDLo-

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> \

> > \

> > > JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:

> > > Sreenadhji,

> > >

> > > here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:

> > >

> > > Saturn in 7th house can give following results:

> > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in

marriage,

> > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband

treating her

> > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc

> > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is

not

> > good

> > > looking and strong.

> > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the

4th

> > house,

> > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real

estate/vehicles etc

> -

> > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even

if he

> > does

> > > he will not enjoy the same.

> > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the

9th

> > house,

> > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not

believe

> > in

> > > God and consequently less punya.

> > >

> > > Now what are the exceptions:

> > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not

cause the

> > bad

> > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give

good

> > > spouse, good wealth and good punya.

> > > 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good

> > spouse/married

> > > life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1)

which is

> > in

> > > exaltation

> > > 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will

not harm

> > the

> > > 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic

aspect

> > the

> > > 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and

spirituality.

> > > Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be

good

> > > looking

> > > 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest

> assured

> > > extreme results with no marriage, or divorce

> > > 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a

lesser

> > > degree

> > >

> > > Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g:

Saturn

> > for

> > > Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth

lord).

> > For

> > > such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st

and 2nd

> > > lord is going to sustana.

> > >

> > > I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji,

Chandrashekarji to

> > > confirm my analysis.

> > >

> > > regards

> > > kiran

> > >

> > > Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he

will

> > > destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour

to the

> > 7H.

> > >

> > > Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?

> > >

> > > Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant

etc: and

> > > Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse,

grief

> from

> > > spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.

> > >

> > > Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?

> > > Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect

the

> > lagna

> > > (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal

uncle,

> real

> > > estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause

problems of

> > > wealth

> > >

> > > Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?

> > > Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house

stands

> for

> > > occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in

society

> > >

> > > SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji

> > >

> > > Sreenadh < sreesog@

> > >

> >

> <../../../../post?

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> \

> > \

> > > AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:

> > > Dear All,

> > > This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body

sure what

> > > to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members

like

> > > Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this

long

> > thread

> > > for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our current

> > > location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the

> > various

> > > possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some

tangible

> and

> > > solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next

mail.

> > > It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka and

> > > numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing

words like

> > > good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is -

What is

> > the

> > > RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your

answers

> > > and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's

reading

> with

> > > practical chart examples in our collection with the same

> combination.

> > > So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in

7th,

> > more

> > > valuable and creative.

> > > And please note -

> > > * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, naskshatras,

> > > karakamsas and so on.

> > > * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any house); at the

> > > most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding

ownhouse,

> > > exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak about the

> > > RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc

> > > * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you know and

what

> > > you don't; what you trust and what you not.

> > > * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by them; if the

> > > CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection

and

> > > actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever

names

> > or

> > > books you quote - that would be rejected.

> > > So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march! Find the

> > > thief and hang him, for all to view!

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Renu ji,

It seems that my previous message was incomplete. So posting it again.

==>

What if there is a mutual exchange between 5th and

> 7th lords which Saturn is in 7th in Libra? A love marriage, sincerity

> and a happy married life?

 

As a matter of fact the wife of Aries lagna native

with exalted Saturn in the 7th house &

7HL Venus in Lagna, has a mutual exchange between 5th & 7th lords in her

horoscope. So this is an additional

strength to their happy married life, I assume.

<==

 

If 7HL Venus is in Aries Lagna - how can there be a mutual exchange

between 5th lord Sun and 7th lord Venus - I wonder!!! Anyway if there is

an exchange i am happy and would request you to share that chart with life details.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, "renunw" <renunw wrote:>> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > I don't understand what you are saying. Please don't use NH2 as of> > now - till you see what it is. NH2 is given only to decipher the> results> > related to "House lords" (i.e House base results); and here you are> > trying to use it(?) related to Planet-House base result derivation;> they> > two are distinctly different things. So as of now please forget NH2 -> > and let us not confuse ourselves and others. We will use and> understand> > it in detail later. > > If you don't understand...... it simply means that I've got everything> confused. So as you say let's forget about it:)> > Thanks for the other vital clues given in arriving at the results, when> Sa is placed in 7H.> > What if there is a mutual exchange between 5th and> > 7th lords which Saturn is in 7th in Libra? A love marriage, sincerity> > and a happy married life?> > As a matter of fact the wife of Aries lagna native with exalted Saturn> in the 7th house & 7HL Venus in Lagna, has a mutual exchange between 5th> & 7th lords in her horoscope. So this is an additional strength to their> happy married life, I assume.> > blessings> > Renu> > > > > According to NH1 theory, Sa placed in 7H will be an exalted Saturn> > > and hence leading to conjugal bliss and other positive things> > > attributable to 7H.> > >> > > NH2 theory: [if I reverse it..]> > >> > > Saturn in 7H = 6th house lord in 7th house> > > = In KP 6th house is Virgo; thus we take Virgo as lagna;> > > 6th house from Virgo is Aquarius, owner Saturn;> > > [as we placed Mercury in various houses when 2HL was> > > discussed, I suppose we can consider Saturn similarly> > > as far as 6H of KP per NH2 theory is considered]> > > Hence we arrive at Sa,6H lord for Virgo placed in 7H.> > >> > > Now coming to general theory, 6HL in 7H gives mostly negative> > > results as per 7H is considered.> > > [a]. 6HL is the lord of adversities.> > > . for 7H, 6HL is the 12th lord from it.> > >> > > Wild imagination...Right????? I am not sure whether I have grasped> > > your NH2 theory properly after so many instructions given by you.> > > But opening my mind..I am sure I will get it right even after many> > > failed attempts.> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - RESULTS,> > > > related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify one> > > thing> > > > in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a> > > collection> > > > (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section given> > > below> > > > contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will not. I> > > > HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I> > > depend> > > > upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I am> > > trying> > > > to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various> > > authors,> > > > nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing ones.> > > > Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are> > > > conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th house.> > > The> > > > section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and> > > separate> > > > the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we will> try> > > > analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason for> > > > failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and which I> > > > depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') are> > > texts> > > > such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, Saravali> > > and> > > > BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics and> > > > quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing> > > material> > > > for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And here> > > it> > > > goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.> > > > ==========================> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and> wealth> > > > would be less. The native will not give much importance to dress> > > and may> > > > wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress> > > codes. He> > > > will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity of> > > wealth> > > > many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times> > > even> > > > turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,> > > > Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in education> > > > (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If Saturn> > > is in> > > > Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this> > > could be> > > > death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, Capricorn> > > and> > > > Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will> > > demand> > > > other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except in> > > these> > > > signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the> > > dasa of> > > > Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by benefics).> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and> > > > happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a> > > wife (his> > > > wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad away> > > from> > > > wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear shabby> > > cloths> > > > or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will> > > commit> > > > sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of Saturn.> > > (This> > > > result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn is> > > not in> > > > own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and is> > > > aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own house> > > then> > > > too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize to a> > > > limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.> > > >> > > > If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics then> > > the> > > > death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But instead it> > > > should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl with> > > much> > > > age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually> > > she is> > > > (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a girl> > > who is> > > > not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be> > > delay in> > > > marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the> > > marriage> > > > would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also> > possible> > > > that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in> > > relation –> > > > i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a relation> > > was> > > > present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th aspected by> > > > Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a> > > girl/boy who> > > > is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have such> > > an> > > > experience (provided other combinations also support the same) or> > > that> > > > he/she will marry more than once.> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper wife/husband> > –> > > > at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good> > > wife/husband> > > > (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good> > > wife/husband)> > > > he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not live> > > long.> > > > This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted or in> > > own> > > > house.> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, then> > > there> > > > is a chance that the native may have diseases related to Pancreas,> > > > Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) or> > > Sugar.> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have> > > > children or may have some disease or problems related to Ultras or> > > > Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's horoscope,> > > > the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband with> > > much> > > > age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or> > > exalted.> > > >> > > > Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is sure> > > to> > > > give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if> > > > Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo> > > lagna> > > > in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife (death> > > of> > > > wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also> > > > occurs.> > > > Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with Saturn> > > in 7th,> > > > a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.> > > > If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a> > > serious> > > > attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a> > > mature> > > > manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth,> > > and will> > > > love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the> > > sexual> > > > urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of> > > males> > > > this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is present> > > then> > > > during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation> > > from> > > > wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange> > > > between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love> > > marriage and> > > > would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy> > > married> > > > life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and> > > wealth. In> > > > the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative> > > > activities trying to improve his own position, repute and power.> > > This> > > > gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives all> > > good> > > > results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord> > > indicates> > > > the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his> > > beneficial> > > > qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and> well> > > > placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the> > > native> > > > will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but> > still> > > > the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to this> > > case> > > > – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same;> > > where> > > > as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries> > > lagna). But> > > > if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go upside> > > down> > > > with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and deeds> > > (with> > > > can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions support> > > the> > > > same), his wife not getting enough attention.> > > > ==========================> > > >> > > > Please note the following points -> > > > * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of this> > > > discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn> > > will> > > > give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also what> > > would> > > > be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is present> > > for> > > > Saturn.> > > > * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of> > > > experimenting with the derived results by the use of "Blind> > > charts with> > > > Saturn in 7th house", and the participants who enriched their> > > > understanding about "Saturn in 7th house" should then participate> > > in the> > > > quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts> > > should be> > > > revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji,> > > Sunil ji> > > > etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now> > > itself. Let> > > > us learn through experience and experimenting.> > > > * I request all "Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions)" ; so that> > > the> > > > trick of "explaining away anything" played by some can be avoided.> > > > * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we will> > > accept> > > > and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT USING> > > EXTRA> > > > PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.> > > > Regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > > > Re: Re: sani in 7th house> > > > Dear All,> > > > Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:> > > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in> marriage,> > > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating> > > her> > > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not> > > good> > > > looking and strong.> > > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th> > > house,> > > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles> > > etc -> > > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he> > > does> > > > he will not enjoy the same.> > > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th> > > house,> > > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not> > > believe in> > > > God and consequently less punya.> > > >> > > > However, I beg to differ with her specific results> > > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause> > > the bad> > > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give> good> > > > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > > >> > > > If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house in> > > 7H it> > > > will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage may be> > > a bit> > > > late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The> > > native> > > > will project a good image to others.> > > > But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have to> > > go by> > > > lagna:> > > > an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an> inimical> > > > aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.> > > > It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may cause> > > harm to> > > > mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth> > > place.> > > > It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not be> > > very> > > > good for father.> > > > On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is debilitated> > > and> > > > thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna on> > > tula> > > > sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, similarly> > > it> > > > will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very good> > > for 4H> > > > affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H and> > > hence> > > > will be good for 9H affairs.> > > > We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 19/01/2008, Kiran R kiran.rama@> > > > <../../../../post?postID=P767P6WYrOKRqDLo-> > > Nqbo_BDHHHNbw2vM3gcBffOndZc2Ze\> > > > JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:> > > > Sreenadhji,> > > >> > > > here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:> > > >> > > > Saturn in 7th house can give following results:> > > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in> marriage,> > > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating> > > her> > > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not> > > good> > > > looking and strong.> > > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th> > > house,> > > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles> > > etc -> > > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he> > > does> > > > he will not enjoy the same.> > > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th> > > house,> > > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not> > > believe in> > > > God and consequently less punya.> > > >> > > > Now what are the exceptions:> > > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause> > > the bad> > > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give> good> > > > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > > > 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good> > > spouse/married> > > > life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) which> > > is in> > > > exaltation> > > > 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not> > > harm the> > > > 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic> > > aspect the> > > > 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and spirituality.> > > > Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be> good> > > > looking> > > > 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest> > > assured> > > > extreme results with no marriage, or divorce> > > > 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a> > > lesser> > > > degree> > > >> > > > Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g:> > > Saturn for> > > > Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth> > > lord). For> > > > such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st and> > > 2nd> > > > lord is going to sustana.> > > >> > > > I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, Chandrashekarji> > > to> > > > confirm my analysis.> > > >> > > > regards> > > > kiran> > > >> > > > Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he will> > > > destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to> > > the 7H.> > > >> > > > Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?> > > >> > > > Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant etc:> and> > > > Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, grief> > > from> > > > spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.> > > >> > > > Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?> > > > Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect the> > > lagna> > > > (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal uncle,> > > real> > > > estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause problems of> > > > wealth> > > >> > > > Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?> > > > Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house stands> > > for> > > > occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in> society> > > >> > > > SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji> > > >> > > > Sreenadh < sreesog@> > > > <../../../../post?> > > postID=Z_RG1gaxZbRl7yKlthGvQPlsmXs1upj0TjKJsDqfq5Rs1dz\> > > > AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > > This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body> > > sure what> > > > to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members> > > like> > > > Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this long> > > thread> > > > for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our current> > > > location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the> > > various> > > > possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some tangible> > > and> > > > solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next> > > mail.> > > > It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka and> > > > numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words> > > like> > > > good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - What> > > is the> > > > RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your> > > answers> > > > and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's reading> > > with> > > > practical chart examples in our collection with the same> > > combination.> > > > So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in> > > 7th, more> > > > valuable and creative.> > > > And please note -> > > > * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, naskshatras,> > > > karakamsas and so on.> > > > * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any house); at> > > the> > > > most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding> ownhouse,> > > > exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak about the> > > > RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc> > > > * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you know> > > and what> > > > you don't; what you trust and what you not.> > > > * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by them; if> > > the> > > > CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection and> > > > actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever> > > names or> > > > books you quote - that would be rejected.> > > > So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march! > > > Find the> > > > thief and hang him, for all to view! > > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Sreenadh ji,

Gosh! ....I'm sorry...it may be the wrong phrasing and pausing in my statement that gave you the misconception.

"As a matter of fact the wife of Aries lagna native with exalted Saturn in the 7th house & 7HL Venus in Lagna, has a mutual exchange between 5th & 7th lords in her horoscope. So this is an additional strength to their happy married life, I assume.<==

If 7HL Venus is in Aries Lagna - how can there be a mutual exchange between 5th lord Sun and 7th lord Venus - I wonder!!! Anyway if there is an exchange i am happy and would request you to share that chart with life details. "

Let me please clarify it:

Husband = Aries lagna, exalted Saturn in 7H aspected by 7HL Venus placed in lagna.

Wife = exchange of 5 and 7 house lords. i.e. Capricorn lagna - Venus in 7H & Moon in 5h.

Hope it is clear now.

blessings

Renu

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Renu ji,> It seems that my previous message was incomplete. So posting it> again.> > ==>> What if there is a mutual exchange between 5th and> > 7th lords which Saturn is in 7th in Libra? A love marriage, sincerity> > and a happy married life?> > As a matter of fact the wife of Aries lagna native with exalted Saturn> in the 7th house & 7HL Venus in Lagna, has a mutual exchange between 5th> & 7th lords in her horoscope. So this is an additional strength to their> happy married life, I assume.> <==> > If 7HL Venus is in Aries Lagna - how can there be a mutual exchange> between 5th lord Sun and 7th lord Venus - I wonder!!! Anyway if there> is an exchange i am happy and would request you to share that chart with> life details.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > > , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> >> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> >> > > I don't understand what you are saying. Please don't use NH2 as> of> > > now - till you see what it is. NH2 is given only to decipher the> > results> > > related to "House lords" (i.e House base results); and here you are> > > trying to use it(?) related to Planet-House base result derivation;> > they> > > two are distinctly different things. So as of now please forget NH2> -> > > and let us not confuse ourselves and others. We will use and> > understand> > > it in detail later. > >> > If you don't understand...... it simply means that I've got everything> > confused. So as you say let's forget about it:)> >> > Thanks for the other vital clues given in arriving at the results,> when> > Sa is placed in 7H.> >> > What if there is a mutual exchange between 5th and> > > 7th lords which Saturn is in 7th in Libra? A love marriage,> sincerity> > > and a happy married life?> >> > As a matter of fact the wife of Aries lagna native with exalted Saturn> > in the 7th house & 7HL Venus in Lagna, has a mutual exchange between> 5th> > & 7th lords in her horoscope. So this is an additional strength to> their> > happy married life, I assume.> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> >> > > > According to NH1 theory, Sa placed in 7H will be an exalted Saturn> > > > and hence leading to conjugal bliss and other positive things> > > > attributable to 7H.> > > >> > > > NH2 theory: [if I reverse it..]> > > >> > > > Saturn in 7H = 6th house lord in 7th house> > > > = In KP 6th house is Virgo; thus we take Virgo as lagna;> > > > 6th house from Virgo is Aquarius, owner Saturn;> > > > [as we placed Mercury in various houses when 2HL was> > > > discussed, I suppose we can consider Saturn similarly> > > > as far as 6H of KP per NH2 theory is considered]> > > > Hence we arrive at Sa,6H lord for Virgo placed in 7H.> > > >> > > > Now coming to general theory, 6HL in 7H gives mostly negative> > > > results as per 7H is considered.> > > > [a]. 6HL is the lord of adversities.> > > > . for 7H, 6HL is the 12th lord from it.> > > >> > > > Wild imagination...Right????? I am not sure whether I have grasped> > > > your NH2 theory properly after so many instructions given by you.> > > > But opening my mind..I am sure I will get it right even after many> > > > failed attempts.> > > >> > > > blessings> > > >> > > > Renu> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - RESULTS,> > > > > related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify one> > > > thing> > > > > in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a> > > > collection> > > > > (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section> given> > > > below> > > > > contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will not.> I> > > > > HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I> > > > depend> > > > > upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I am> > > > trying> > > > > to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various> > > > authors,> > > > > nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing> ones.> > > > > Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are> > > > > conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th house.> > > > The> > > > > section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and> > > > separate> > > > > the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we will> > try> > > > > analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason> for> > > > > failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and which I> > > > > depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') are> > > > texts> > > > > such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, Saravali> > > > and> > > > > BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics> and> > > > > quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing> > > > material> > > > > for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And here> > > > it> > > > > goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.> > > > > ==========================> > > > >> > > > > If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and> > wealth> > > > > would be less. The native will not give much importance to dress> > > > and may> > > > > wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress> > > > codes. He> > > > > will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity> of> > > > wealth> > > > > many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times> > > > even> > > > > turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,> > > > > Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in> education> > > > > (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If> Saturn> > > > is in> > > > > Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this> > > > could be> > > > > death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, Capricorn> > > > and> > > > > Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will> > > > demand> > > > > other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except in> > > > these> > > > > signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the> > > > dasa of> > > > > Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by benefics).> > > > >> > > > > If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and> > > > > happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a> > > > wife (his> > > > > wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad> away> > > > from> > > > > wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear> shabby> > > > cloths> > > > > or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will> > > > commit> > > > > sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of> Saturn.> > > > (This> > > > > result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn is> > > > not in> > > > > own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and is> > > > > aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own house> > > > then> > > > > too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize to> a> > > > > limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.> > > > >> > > > > If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics> then> > > > the> > > > > death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But instead> it> > > > > should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl> with> > > > much> > > > > age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually> > > > she is> > > > > (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a> girl> > > > who is> > > > > not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be> > > > delay in> > > > > marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the> > > > marriage> > > > > would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also> > > possible> > > > > that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in> > > > relation –> > > > > i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a> relation> > > > was> > > > > present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th aspected> by> > > > > Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a> > > > girl/boy who> > > > > is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have> such> > > > an> > > > > experience (provided other combinations also support the same)> or> > > > that> > > > > he/she will marry more than once.> > > > >> > > > > If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper> wife/husband> > > –> > > > > at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good> > > > wife/husband> > > > > (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good> > > > wife/husband)> > > > > he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not> live> > > > long.> > > > > This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted or> in> > > > own> > > > > house.> > > > >> > > > > If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, then> > > > there> > > > > is a chance that the native may have diseases related to> Pancreas,> > > > > Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) or> > > > Sugar.> > > > >> > > > > If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have> > > > > children or may have some disease or problems related to Ultras> or> > > > > Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's> horoscope,> > > > > the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband with> > > > much> > > > > age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or> > > > exalted.> > > > >> > > > > Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is> sure> > > > to> > > > > give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if> > > > > Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo> > > > lagna> > > > > in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife> (death> > > > of> > > > > wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn> also> > > > > occurs.> > > > > Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with Saturn> > > > in 7th,> > > > > a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.> > > > > If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a> > > > serious> > > > > attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a> > > > mature> > > > > manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth,> > > > and will> > > > > love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the> > > > sexual> > > > > urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of> > > > males> > > > > this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is present> > > > then> > > > > during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation> > > > from> > > > > wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange> > > > > between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love> > > > marriage and> > > > > would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy> > > > married> > > > > life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and> > > > wealth. In> > > > > the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative> > > > > activities trying to improve his own position, repute and power.> > > > This> > > > > gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives> all> > > > good> > > > > results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord> > > > indicates> > > > > the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his> > > > beneficial> > > > > qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and> > well> > > > > placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the> > > > native> > > > > will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but> > > still> > > > > the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to this> > > > case> > > > > – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the> same;> > > > where> > > > > as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries> > > > lagna). But> > > > > if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go upside> > > > down> > > > > with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and> deeds> > > > (with> > > > > can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions> support> > > > the> > > > > same), his wife not getting enough attention.> > > > > ==========================> > > > >> > > > > Please note the following points -> > > > > * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of this> > > > > discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn> > > > will> > > > > give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also> what> > > > would> > > > > be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is> present> > > > for> > > > > Saturn.> > > > > * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of> > > > > experimenting with the derived results by the use of "Blind> > > > charts with> > > > > Saturn in 7th house", and the participants who enriched their> > > > > understanding about "Saturn in 7th house" should then> participate> > > > in the> > > > > quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts> > > > should be> > > > > revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji,> > > > Sunil ji> > > > > etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now> > > > itself. Let> > > > > us learn through experience and experimenting.> > > > > * I request all "Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions)" ; so that> > > > the> > > > > trick of "explaining away anything" played by some can be> avoided.> > > > > * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we will> > > > accept> > > > > and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT USING> > > > EXTRA> > > > > PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > > > > Re: Re: sani in 7th house> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:> > > > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in> > marriage,> > > > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating> > > > her> > > > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > > > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is> not> > > > good> > > > > looking and strong.> > > > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th> > > > house,> > > > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles> > > > etc -> > > > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if> he> > > > does> > > > > he will not enjoy the same.> > > > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th> > > > house,> > > > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not> > > > believe in> > > > > God and consequently less punya.> > > > >> > > > > However, I beg to differ with her specific results> > > > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause> > > > the bad> > > > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give> > good> > > > > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > > > >> > > > > If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house in> > > > 7H it> > > > > will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage may> be> > > > a bit> > > > > late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The> > > > native> > > > > will project a good image to others.> > > > > But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have to> > > > go by> > > > > lagna:> > > > > an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an> > inimical> > > > > aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.> > > > > It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may cause> > > > harm to> > > > > mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth> > > > place.> > > > > It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not be> > > > very> > > > > good for father.> > > > > On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is> debilitated> > > > and> > > > > thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna on> > > > tula> > > > > sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects,> similarly> > > > it> > > > > will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very good> > > > for 4H> > > > > affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H> and> > > > hence> > > > > will be good for 9H affairs.> > > > > We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.> > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On 19/01/2008, Kiran R kiran.rama@> > > > > <../../../../post?postID=P767P6WYrOKRqDLo-> > > > Nqbo_BDHHHNbw2vM3gcBffOndZc2Ze\> > > > > JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:> > > > > Sreenadhji,> > > > >> > > > > here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:> > > > >> > > > > Saturn in 7th house can give following results:> > > > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in> > marriage,> > > > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating> > > > her> > > > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > > > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is> not> > > > good> > > > > looking and strong.> > > > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th> > > > house,> > > > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles> > > > etc -> > > > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if> he> > > > does> > > > > he will not enjoy the same.> > > > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th> > > > house,> > > > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not> > > > believe in> > > > > God and consequently less punya.> > > > >> > > > > Now what are the exceptions:> > > > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause> > > > the bad> > > > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give> > good> > > > > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > > > > 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good> > > > spouse/married> > > > > life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1)> which> > > > is in> > > > > exaltation> > > > > 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not> > > > harm the> > > > > 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic> > > > aspect the> > > > > 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and> spirituality.> > > > > Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be> > good> > > > > looking> > > > > 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest> > > > assured> > > > > extreme results with no marriage, or divorce> > > > > 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a> > > > lesser> > > > > degree> > > > >> > > > > Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g:> > > > Saturn for> > > > > Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth> > > > lord). For> > > > > such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st and> > > > 2nd> > > > > lord is going to sustana.> > > > >> > > > > I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji,> Chandrashekarji> > > > to> > > > > confirm my analysis.> > > > >> > > > > regards> > > > > kiran> > > > >> > > > > Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he> will> > > > > destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to> > > > the 7H.> > > > >> > > > > Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?> > > > >> > > > > Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant etc:> > and> > > > > Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, grief> > > > from> > > > > spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.> > > > >> > > > > Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?> > > > > Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect> the> > > > lagna> > > > > (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal> uncle,> > > > real> > > > > estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause problems> of> > > > > wealth> > > > >> > > > > Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?> > > > > Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house> stands> > > > for> > > > > occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in> > society> > > > >> > > > > SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji> > > > >> > > > > Sreenadh < sreesog@> > > > > <../../../../post?> > > > postID=Z_RG1gaxZbRl7yKlthGvQPlsmXs1upj0TjKJsDqfq5Rs1dz\> > > > > AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body> > > > sure what> > > > > to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members> > > > like> > > > > Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this long> > > > thread> > > > > for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our current> > > > > location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the> > > > various> > > > > possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some> tangible> > > > and> > > > > solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next> > > > mail.> > > > > It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka and> > > > > numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words> > > > like> > > > > good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is -> What> > > > is the> > > > > RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your> > > > answers> > > > > and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's> reading> > > > with> > > > > practical chart examples in our collection with the same> > > > combination.> > > > > So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in> > > > 7th, more> > > > > valuable and creative.> > > > > And please note -> > > > > * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, naskshatras,> > > > > karakamsas and so on.> > > > > * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any house); at> > > > the> > > > > most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding> > ownhouse,> > > > > exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak about the> > > > > RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc> > > > > * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you know> > > > and what> > > > > you don't; what you trust and what you not.> > > > > * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by them; if> > > > the> > > > > CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection> and> > > > > actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever> > > > names or> > > > > books you quote - that would be rejected.> > > > > So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march! > > > > Find the> > > > > thief and hang him, for all to view! > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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HI,

 

 

Would like to discuss a horoscope of a girl....Aquarian Lagna and Saturn in 7th house along with Mars aspected by Moon in lagna.

 

In my opinion it would make a person a big lier and not a good sign with perpective of person's wit and jest towards life and marriage.

Regards

SG

On Jan 20, 2008 11:01 AM, kiran.rama <kiran.rama wrote:

 

 

 

 

 

Renuji,I think to your last point " No, but I think the wife's palcement of planets would balance in thisparticular native " depends on his/her placement of planets. Esp in marriage, both charts are important. IF wife has very good

chart and husband very bad chart, it will give mixed results for marriage.Of course, need not always because it is said Motital Nehru marriedJawaharlal to a lady whose horoscope was very good - it was said that

the lineage of that lady would become kings to lead the country.That the Nehru family was disastrous for the country is another matter....Regardskiran

, " renunw " <renunwwrote:>> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Let me give my opinion on the following based on a known male native. I

> would reserve a female chart for later submission. After all, why not> for a change...'gentlemen first " ....to satisfy male ego????> > " Aries Lagna with Saturn in 7th, a special reading regarding Aries lagna

> is given below.> > If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a serious> attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a mature> manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth, and will

> love his wife.> > Yes, to all above with both hands raised.> > He will have happy married life, with wife children, good house, enough> reputation and wealth. In the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in

> new and creative activities trying to improve his own position, repute> and power. This gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and> gives all good results related to the same.> > Yes, without any hesitation.> > It should be noted that, 7th lord indicates the wife, and also that> exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his beneficial qualities to the native's> wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and well placed, (for Venus 12th is

> good placement for any lagna), the native will live a happy and healthy> life along with his wife> > Yes, the native enjoys a happy life along with his wife. Minor heart> ailments are present, yet under complete control.

> > – but still the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies> to this case – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards> the same> > No, but I think the wife's palcement of planets would balance in this

> particular native.> > blessings> > Renu> > My answers are based on a known>

, " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote:> >> >> > Dear All,> > To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - RESULTS,> > related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify one thing

> > in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a collection> > (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section given> below> > contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will not. I

> > HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I depend> > upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I am> trying> > to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various

> authors,> > nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing ones.> > Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are> > conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th house. The

> > section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and> separate> > the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we will try> > analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason for

> > failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and which I> > depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') are texts> > such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, Saravali and

> > BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics and> > quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing> material> > for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And here it

> > goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.> > ==========================> >> > If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and wealth> > would be less. The native will not give much importance to dress and

> may> > wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress codes. He> > will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity of> wealth> > many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times even

> > turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,> > Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in education> > (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If Saturn is

> in> > Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this could> be> > death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, Capricorn and> > Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will demand

> > other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except in these> > signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the dasa of> > Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by benefics).

> >> > If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and> > happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a wife> (his> > wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad away

> from> > wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear shabby> cloths> > or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will commit> > sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of Saturn.

> (This> > result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn is not> in> > own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and is> > aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own house then

> > too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize to a> > limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.> >> > If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics then the

> > death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But instead it> > should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl with much> > age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually she is

> > (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a girl who> is> > not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be delay> in> > marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the

> marriage> > would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also possible> > that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in relation> –> > i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a relation was

> > present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th aspected by> > Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a girl/boy> who> > is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have such an

> > experience (provided other combinations also support the same) or that> > he/she will marry more than once.> >> > If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper wife/husband

> –> > at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good wife/husband> > (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good wife/husband)> > he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not live

> long.> > This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted or in own> > house.> >> > If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, then there> > is a chance that the native may have diseases related to Pancreas,

> > Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) or> Sugar.> >> > If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have> > children or may have some disease or problems related to Ultras or

> > Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's horoscope,> > the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband with much> > age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or exalted.

> >> > Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is sure to> > give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if> > Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo lagna

> > in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife (death of> > wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also> > occurs.> > Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with Saturn in

> 7th,> > a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.> > If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a> serious> > attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a mature

> > manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth, and> will> > love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the sexual> > urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of males

> > this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is present then> > during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation from> > wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange

> > between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love marriage> and> > would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy married> > life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and wealth. In

> > the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative> > activities trying to improve his own position, repute and power. This> > gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives all

> good> > results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord> indicates> > the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his beneficial> > qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and well

> > placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the native> > will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but still> > the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to this case

> > – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same;> where> > as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries lagna).> But> > if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go upside down

> > with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and deeds> (with> > can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions support the> > same), his wife not getting enough attention.

> > ==========================> >> > Please note the following points -> > * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of this> > discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn will

> > give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also what> would> > be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is present for> > Saturn.> > * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of

> > experimenting with the derived results by the use of " Blind charts> with> > Saturn in 7th house " , and the participants who enriched their> > understanding about " Saturn in 7th house " should then participate in

> the> > quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts should> be> > revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji, Sunil ji> > etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now itself.

> Let> > us learn through experience and experimenting.> > * I request all " Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions) " ; so that the> > trick of " explaining away anything " played by some can be avoided.

> > * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we will accept> > and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT USING EXTRA> > PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.

> > Regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , " neelam gupta "

> > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > Re: Re: sani in 7th house> > Dear All,> > Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:> > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,

> > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating her> > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not

> good> > looking and strong.> > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th> house,> > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles etc -

> > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he> does> > he will not enjoy the same.> > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th> house,

> > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not believe> in> > God and consequently less punya.> >> > However, I beg to differ with her specific results> > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause the

> bad> > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good> > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> >> > If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house in 7H it

> > will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage may be a> bit> > late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The native> > will project a good image to others.

> > But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have to go by> > lagna:> > an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an inimical> > aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.

> > It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may cause harm> to> > mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth place.> > It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not be very

> > good for father.> > On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is debilitated and> > thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna on tula> > sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, similarly it

> > will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very good for> 4H> > affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H and> hence> > will be good for 9H affairs.

> > We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.> > Regards> > Neelam> >> >> >> > On 19/01/2008, Kiran R kiran.rama@> >><../../../../post?postID=P767P6WYrOKRqDLo-Nqbo_BDHHHNbw2vM3gcBffOndZc2Ze\

> \> > JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:> > Sreenadhji,> >> > here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:> >> > Saturn in 7th house can give following results:

> > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage,> > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating her> > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc

> > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not> good> > looking and strong.> > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th> house,

> > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles etc -> > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he> does> > he will not enjoy the same.> > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th

> house,> > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not believe> in> > God and consequently less punya.> >> > Now what are the exceptions:> > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause the

> bad> > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good> > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good> spouse/married

> > life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) which is> in> > exaltation> > 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not harm> the> > 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic aspect

> the> > 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and spirituality.> > Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be good> > looking> > 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest assured

> > extreme results with no marriage, or divorce> > 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a lesser> > degree> >> > Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g: Saturn> for> > Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth lord).> For> > such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st and 2nd> > lord is going to sustana.

> >> > I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, Chandrashekarji to> > confirm my analysis.> >> > regards> > kiran> >> > Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he will

> > destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to the> 7H.> >> > Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?> >> > Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant etc: and

> > Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, grief from> > spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.> >> > Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?> > Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect the

> lagna> > (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal uncle, real> > estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause problems of> > wealth> >> > Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?

> > Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house stands for> > occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in society> >> > SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji

> >> > Sreenadh < sreesog@> >><../../../../post?postID=Z_RG1gaxZbRl7yKlthGvQPlsmXs1upj0TjKJsDqfq5Rs1dz\> \> > AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:

> > Dear All,> > This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body sure what> > to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members like> > Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this long

> thread> > for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our current> > location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the> various> > possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some tangible and

> > solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next mail.> > It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka and> > numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words like

> > good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - What is> the> > RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your answers> > and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's reading with

> > practical chart examples in our collection with the same combination.> > So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in 7th,> more> > valuable and creative.> > And please note -

> > * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, naskshatras,> > karakamsas and so on.> > * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any house); at the> > most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding ownhouse,

> > exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak about the> > RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc> > * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you know and what

> > you don't; what you trust and what you not.> > * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by them; if the> > CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection and

> > actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever names> or> > books you quote - that would be rejected.> > So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march! Find the

> > thief and hang him, for all to view! > > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >>

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Dear Renu ji,

Thanks for clarifying.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, " renunw " <renunw

wrote:

>

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> Gosh! ....I'm sorry...it may be the wrong phrasing and pausing in my

> statement that gave you the misconception.

>

> " As a matter of fact the wife of Aries lagna native with exalted

Saturn

> in the 7th house & 7HL Venus in Lagna, has a mutual exchange between

5th

> & 7th lords in her horoscope. So this is an additional strength to

their

> happy married life, I assume.

> <==

>

> If 7HL Venus is in Aries Lagna - how can there be a mutual

exchange

> between 5th lord Sun and 7th lord Venus - I wonder!!! Anyway if there

> is an exchange i am happy and would request you to share that chart

with

> life details. "

>

> Let me please clarify it:

>

> Husband = Aries lagna, exalted Saturn in 7H aspected by 7HL Venus

placed

> in lagna.

>

> Wife = exchange of 5 and 7 house lords. i.e. Capricorn lagna - Venus

in

> 7H & Moon in 5h.

>

> Hope it is clear now.

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

>

>

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> sreesog@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renu ji,

> > It seems that my previous message was incomplete. So posting it

> > again.

> >

> > ==>

> > What if there is a mutual exchange between 5th and

> > > 7th lords which Saturn is in 7th in Libra? A love marriage,

> sincerity

> > > and a happy married life?

> >

> > As a matter of fact the wife of Aries lagna native with exalted

Saturn

> > in the 7th house & 7HL Venus in Lagna, has a mutual exchange between

> 5th

> > & 7th lords in her horoscope. So this is an additional strength to

> their

> > happy married life, I assume.

> > <==

> >

> > If 7HL Venus is in Aries Lagna - how can there be a mutual exchange

> > between 5th lord Sun and 7th lord Venus - I wonder!!! Anyway if

there

> > is an exchange i am happy and would request you to share that chart

> with

> > life details.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

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7th is the 4th from the 4th house. How is the person's grandmom?---