Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Dear friends, i was glancing thru this very, very looooooong chain on Saturn in 7th and thought whether it is possible to have a discussion on Saturn in various houses, or am i jumping the gun...? but then if we were to take one planet at a time poor Saturn would come at the very end of the list, won't it?.... that would be a long wait indeed!!!! So could we jump all other planets and discuss Saturn???? i had compiled a little write-up on Saturn some time back which may kick off some thoughts...maybe...?! According to Dr. Robert Svoboda: " Saturn represents boundaries, limits, structure, discipline, responsibility, honor, and integrity, among other things. His rings are symbolic of those limits, forming a band around the planet, symbolic of the iron band we form around ourselves as a result of our actions, our karma. Saturn represents the material plane. In astrology he has the ability to crystallize things into the physical. It is also interesting that Saturn with its rings looks like an atom with electrons swirling around it. Atoms are the building blocks of material, of matter. Svoboda defines Saturn (Shani) as " the planet in charge of fate, which forces you to experience your karmas whether you want to or not " . Saturn is the brother of Yama, the god of righteousness and death. The great sage and father of Vedic astrology, Parasara, linked Saturn with Brahma. It is said that until you have completely conquered and gained control of your inner nature, Saturn can still affect you and you are at his mercy. Saturn searches out the weaknesses in our personality and will expose these weaknesses and limitations. This is where some of the positive aspects of Saturn, such as self- discipline, come in handy to help people pull in the reigns and control their lower nature. In Greek mythology, Saturn was called Cronus. He was ruler of the Titans, or Elder Gods, the youngest son of Uranus and Gaea. Cronus' father, Uranus, regarded his offspring with horror and cast them into the depths of earth when they were born. When Cronus was born, at the prompting of his mother, he rebelled against his father and mutilated him with a sickle. We see the themes of rebellion and independence, which are normally associated with Uranus, but here they are carried out by Cronus. The blend of the stories of Cronus and Uranus helps us see how Saturn is associated with both Aquarius, which represents the elements of rebellion, liberation and freedom, and Capricorn, which is normally associated with Saturnian qualities. It is said in esoteric teaching that Saturn is the planet of discipleship. " A disciple is someone who learns by surrendering to Reality, who studies minute by minute everything that Saturn has to teach, be it bitter or sweet. True disciples attempt to control their own nature, that they may influence Saturn's influence on themselves. " Saturn is like the stern look of the guru. When you look into his eyes you see the mirror of your folly and your human creation. There can be fear in this experience, but if you let the transmutive fires of Saturn's gaze go through you, you will come out the other side free from the substance and the habit patterns that got you there in the first place. Saturn dries you up and parches your thirst to where you feel nothing-that is nothing that is not real. When karma is due, the swiftness of how it descends, sometimes with great terror, just like what happened to King Vikramaditya, can be devastating. That is why Saturn is viewed with fear and terror. However, he delivers nothing that hasn't been ordered. He is simply the messenger and harbinger of our fate. When he comes to our door, time is up and putting off the inevitable of paying for our mistakes is not possible. However, once the karma is balanced and time is served, there is wonderful relief to the soul. The key is to learn the lesson that Saturn teaches and not repeat the behavior. It is imperative that you get wise and become conscious of the fact that what is delivered to your doorstep can't be blamed on anyone else, that you have to vomit that part of yourself out of the subconscious like Saturn did and face it. Otherwise, you will continue to weave a karmic web that you will eventually experience as fate or karma returning just as Carl Jung said-i.e. what is not brought to the conscious mind is lived out as fate. When in the grips of Saturn, i.e. your own karma, you may feel hopeless, depressed, trapped. And you will be trapped for as long as necessary. However, there is hope in the midst of it. Be humble, look at the circumstances for what they are and know that it is coming around for a reason. You are experiencing something that you have done unto another and now it is time to learn the lesson of what it feels like to be on the receiving end. Look inside yourself as to the causes, don't blame another, open your heart to Saturn as your teacher, and it can be one of the most rewarding experiences of a lifetime. The sooner you learn that no one does anything to you, that you essentially do it to yourself, the sooner you are released from Saturn's grip. Soon we begin to welcome Saturn into our life because we know that after his cycle is complete, we have paid a certain debt that will leave us freer and happier, and hopefully wiser, to live our lives unencumbered by karma hanging over our heads. Saturn can be your greatest friend in that he shows you the tangible results of your actions so that you can make corrections, serve your time and turn around and do it right the next time. The stern gaze of Saturn is only stern to those who have something to fear, something to lose. That loss is the loss of their human creation, a creation that is not real in the first place and exists only in the sands of time and space. " But probably this is from a practitioner of Western Astrology. What do our sages say abt. Saturn??? Any thoughts??? , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Renu ji, > ==> > NH2 theory: [if I reverse it..] > Saturn in 7H = 6th house lord in 7th house > = In KP 6th house is Virgo; thus we take Virgo as lagna; > 6th house from Virgo is Aquarius, owner Saturn; > [as we placed Mercury in various houses when 2HL was > discussed, I suppose we can consider Saturn similarly > as far as 6H of KP per NH2 theory is considered] > Hence we arrive at Sa,6H lord for Virgo placed in 7H. > <== > I don't understand what you are saying. Please don't use NH2 as of > now - till you see what it is. NH2 is given only to decipher the results > related to " House lords " (i.e House base results); and here you are > trying to use it(?) related to Planet-House base result derivation; they > two are distinctly different things. So as of now please forget NH2 - > and let us not confuse ourselves and others. We will use and understand > it in detail later. > ==> > > According to NH1 theory, Sa placed in 7H will be an exalted Saturn > > and hence leading to conjugal bliss and other positive things > > attributable to 7H. > <== > This I agree - presented well; But still don't forget that it is > Saturn, with all the possibilities of giving bad results as well, if > other conditions are even slightly favorable. Remember the chart > provided by you in which Saturn in own house in Capricorn created a > womanizer. That is a pointer to the fact that - even when providing > material comforts - Saturn CAN certainly cause bad results - if not for > him, but for others. For Aries lagna - think what if the 7th lord Venus > is debilitated (in 6th) while Saturn is exalted. Similar results? > What if Saturn in 7th is aspected by Moon? Two marriages or is it that > his or his wife's parents would be twice married? What if another > malefic (such as Mars or Sun) is present along with Saturn in 7th in > Libra? Lose of wife? What if there is a mutual exchange between 5th and > 7th lords which Saturn is in 7th in Libra? A love marriage, sincerity > and a happy married life? What if Saturn, and Sun is in 7th - and Sun's > dasa running? Marriage in time or would it be a late marriage? Check > your sample data collection. [] > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > , " renunw " <renunw@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > According to NH1 theory, Sa placed in 7H will be an exalted Saturn > > and hence leading to conjugal bliss and other positive things > > attributable to 7H. > > > > NH2 theory: [if I reverse it..] > > > > Saturn in 7H = 6th house lord in 7th house > > = In KP 6th house is Virgo; thus we take Virgo as lagna; > > 6th house from Virgo is Aquarius, owner Saturn; > > [as we placed Mercury in various houses when 2HL was > > discussed, I suppose we can consider Saturn similarly > > as far as 6H of KP per NH2 theory is considered] > > Hence we arrive at Sa,6H lord for Virgo placed in 7H. > > > > Now coming to general theory, 6HL in 7H gives mostly negative > > results as per 7H is considered. > > [a]. 6HL is the lord of adversities. > > . for 7H, 6HL is the 12th lord from it. > > > > Wild imagination...Right????? I am not sure whether I have grasped > > your NH2 theory properly after so many instructions given by you. > > But opening my mind..I am sure I will get it right even after many > > failed attempts. > > > > blessings > > > > Renu > > , " Sreenadh " > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - RESULTS, > > > related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify one > > thing > > > in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a > > collection > > > (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section given > > below > > > contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will not. I > > > HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I > > depend > > > upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I am > > trying > > > to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various > > authors, > > > nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing ones. > > > Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are > > > conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th house. > > The > > > section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and > > separate > > > the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we will try > > > analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason for > > > failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and which I > > > depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') are > > texts > > > such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, Saravali > > and > > > BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics and > > > quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing > > material > > > for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And here > > it > > > goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same. > > > ========================== > > > > > > If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and wealth > > > would be less. The native will not give much importance to dress > > and may > > > wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress > > codes. He > > > will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity of > > wealth > > > many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times > > even > > > turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits, > > > Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in education > > > (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If Saturn > > is in > > > Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this > > could be > > > death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, Capricorn > > and > > > Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will > > demand > > > other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except in > > these > > > signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the > > dasa of > > > Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by benefics). > > > > > > If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and > > > happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a > > wife (his > > > wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad away > > from > > > wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear shabby > > cloths > > > or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will > > commit > > > sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of Saturn. > > (This > > > result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn is > > not in > > > own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and is > > > aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own house > > then > > > too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize to a > > > limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs. > > > > > > If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics then > > the > > > death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But instead it > > > should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl with > > much > > > age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually > > she is > > > (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a girl > > who is > > > not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be > > delay in > > > marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the > > marriage > > > would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also > possible > > > that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in > > relation – > > > i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a relation > > was > > > present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th aspected by > > > Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a > > girl/boy who > > > is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have such > > an > > > experience (provided other combinations also support the same) or > > that > > > he/she will marry more than once. > > > > > > If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper wife/husband > – > > > at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good > > wife/husband > > > (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good > > wife/husband) > > > he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not live > > long. > > > This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted or in > > own > > > house. > > > > > > If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, then > > there > > > is a chance that the native may have diseases related to Pancreas, > > > Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) or > > Sugar. > > > > > > If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have > > > children or may have some disease or problems related to Ultras or > > > Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's horoscope, > > > the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband with > > much > > > age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or > > exalted. > > > > > > Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is sure > > to > > > give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if > > > Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo > > lagna > > > in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife (death > > of > > > wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also > > > occurs. > > > Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with Saturn > > in 7th, > > > a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below. > > > If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have a > > serious > > > attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a > > mature > > > manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth, > > and will > > > love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the > > sexual > > > urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of > > males > > > this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is present > > then > > > during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation > > from > > > wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange > > > between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love > > marriage and > > > would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy > > married > > > life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and > > wealth. In > > > the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative > > > activities trying to improve his own position, repute and power. > > This > > > gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives all > > good > > > results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord > > indicates > > > the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his > > beneficial > > > qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and well > > > placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the > > native > > > will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but > still > > > the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to this > > case > > > – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same; > > where > > > as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries > > lagna). But > > > if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go upside > > down > > > with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and deeds > > (with > > > can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions support > > the > > > same), his wife not getting enough attention. > > > ========================== > > > > > > Please note the following points - > > > * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of this > > > discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn > > will > > > give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also what > > would > > > be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is present > > for > > > Saturn. > > > * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of > > > experimenting with the derived results by the use of " Blind > > charts with > > > Saturn in 7th house " , and the participants who enriched their > > > understanding about " Saturn in 7th house " should then participate > > in the > > > quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts > > should be > > > revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji, > > Sunil ji > > > etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now > > itself. Let > > > us learn through experience and experimenting. > > > * I request all " Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions) " ; so that > > the > > > trick of " explaining away anything " played by some can be avoided. > > > * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we will > > accept > > > and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT USING > > EXTRA > > > PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow. > > > Regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " neelam gupta " > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote: > > > Re: Re: sani in 7th house > > > Dear All, > > > Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn: > > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage, > > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating > > her > > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc > > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not > > good > > > looking and strong. > > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th > > house, > > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles > > etc - > > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he > > does > > > he will not enjoy the same. > > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th > > house, > > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not > > believe in > > > God and consequently less punya. > > > > > > However, I beg to differ with her specific results > > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause > > the bad > > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good > > > spouse, good wealth and good punya. > > > > > > If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house in > > 7H it > > > will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage may be > > a bit > > > late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The > > native > > > will project a good image to others. > > > But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have to > > go by > > > lagna: > > > an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an inimical > > > aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna. > > > It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may cause > > harm to > > > mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth > > place. > > > It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not be > > very > > > good for father. > > > On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is debilitated > > and > > > thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna on > > tula > > > sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, similarly > > it > > > will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very good > > for 4H > > > affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H and > > hence > > > will be good for 9H affairs. > > > We can derive similar results for all the lagnas. > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > On 19/01/2008, Kiran R kiran.rama@ > > > <../../../../post?postID=P767P6WYrOKRqDLo- > > Nqbo_BDHHHNbw2vM3gcBffOndZc2Ze\ > > > JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote: > > > Sreenadhji, > > > > > > here is my analysis with exceptions outlined: > > > > > > Saturn in 7th house can give following results: > > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in marriage, > > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband treating > > her > > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc > > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is not > > good > > > looking and strong. > > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the 4th > > house, > > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real estate/vehicles > > etc - > > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even if he > > does > > > he will not enjoy the same. > > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the 9th > > house, > > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not > > believe in > > > God and consequently less punya. > > > > > > Now what are the exceptions: > > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause > > the bad > > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give good > > > spouse, good wealth and good punya. > > > 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good > > spouse/married > > > life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) which > > is in > > > exaltation > > > 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not > > harm the > > > 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic > > aspect the > > > 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and spirituality. > > > Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be good > > > looking > > > 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest > > assured > > > extreme results with no marriage, or divorce > > > 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a > > lesser > > > degree > > > > > > Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g: > > Saturn for > > > Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth > > lord). For > > > such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st and > > 2nd > > > lord is going to sustana. > > > > > > I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, Chandrashekarji > > to > > > confirm my analysis. > > > > > > regards > > > kiran > > > > > > Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he will > > > destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to > > the 7H. > > > > > > Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th? > > > > > > Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant etc: and > > > Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, grief > > from > > > spouse, unfulfilled desires etc. > > > > > > Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th? > > > Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect the > > lagna > > > (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal uncle, > > real > > > estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause problems of > > > wealth > > > > > > Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts? > > > Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house stands > > for > > > occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in society > > > > > > SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji > > > > > > Sreenadh < sreesog@ > > > <../../../../post? > > postID=Z_RG1gaxZbRl7yKlthGvQPlsmXs1upj0TjKJsDqfq5Rs1dz\ > > > AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote: > > > Dear All, > > > This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body > > sure what > > > to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members > > like > > > Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this long > > thread > > > for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our current > > > location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the > > various > > > possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some tangible > > and > > > solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next > > mail. > > > It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka and > > > numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words > > like > > > good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - What > > is the > > > RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your > > answers > > > and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's reading > > with > > > practical chart examples in our collection with the same > > combination. > > > So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in > > 7th, more > > > valuable and creative. > > > And please note - > > > * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, naskshatras, > > > karakamsas and so on. > > > * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any house); at > > the > > > most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding ownhouse, > > > exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak about the > > > RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc > > > * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you know > > and what > > > you don't; what you trust and what you not. > > > * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by them; if > > the > > > CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection and > > > actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever > > names or > > > books you quote - that would be rejected. > > > So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march! > > Find the > > > thief and hang him, for all to view! > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Dear Vinita ji, That was a nice introduction - poetic and literary. But where are the results?!!! This is the very reason people like Sunil ji used to laugh at western astrology, because they have nothing else to say except personality traits. ==> > But probably this is from a practitioner of Western Astrology. What > do our sages say abt. Saturn??? <== Yes, we can go through that; but I am worried about - * What will happen to 2nd lord in 3rd? * What will happen to all the other plants in between? * We have already started eating the middle peace of Saturn (i.e. Saturn in 7th house) - and so can we get up without finishing the lunch? Any way the prime points to start with as per the sages is - * Saturn is the significator of Tamas Guna and Air tatwa. * Saturn in the owner of 10th (Job) and 11th (gain) in Natural horoscope. * Saturn is exalted in 7th house (Desire/Naval) in natural horoscope and is debilitated in head - and may be that is why becoming servant ;=) * Significance of several things such as Darkness, sadness, black color, long body, strong nerves, hard work, road/air/water - travel, dry skin, birds (like crow) and many more are assigned to Saturn to help us derive the results. It is the point from which we should start and possibly not from the stories; and the emphasis should be in results - as per sages. Actually it was Mihira, he was against "Prasna pratiprasna katha prasanga". Tto be descriptive, his pointer is - he was against puranic stories with questions and answers reaching noware and hiding the facts in the heap of hay; and story telling which makes the student confused rather than focused on astrological methodologies and effort to arrive at sharp results. So even though interesting and refreshing, when we want to see "what the sages said" - then our attitude usually will have to take a 180 degree turn from the western mere psychological path of story telling and fitting to any one personality traits. Love and regards, Sreenadh , "vinita kumar" <shankar_mamta wrote:>> Dear friends,> > i was glancing thru this very, very looooooong chain on Saturn in > 7th and thought whether it is possible to have a discussion on > Saturn in various houses, or am i jumping the gun...?> > but then if we were to take one planet at a time poor Saturn would > come at the very end of the list, won't it?....> > that would be a long wait indeed!!!!> > So could we jump all other planets and discuss Saturn????> > i had compiled a little write-up on Saturn some time back which may > kick off some thoughts...maybe...?!> > According to Dr. Robert Svoboda:> > "Saturn represents boundaries, limits, structure, discipline, > responsibility, honor, and integrity, among other things. His rings > are symbolic of those limits, forming a band around the planet, > symbolic of the iron band we form around ourselves as a result of > our actions, our karma. Saturn represents the material plane. In > astrology he has the ability to crystallize things into the > physical. It is also interesting that Saturn with its rings looks > like an atom with electrons swirling around it. Atoms are the > building blocks of material, of matter. > > Svoboda defines Saturn (Shani) as "the planet in charge of fate, > which forces you to experience your karmas whether you want to or > not". Saturn is the brother of Yama, the god of righteousness and > death. The great sage and father of Vedic astrology, Parasara, > linked Saturn with Brahma. > > It is said that until you have completely conquered and gained > control of your inner nature, Saturn can still affect you and you > are at his mercy. Saturn searches out the weaknesses in our > personality and will expose these weaknesses and limitations. This > is where some of the positive aspects of Saturn, such as self-> discipline, come in handy to help people pull in the reigns and > control their lower nature. > > In Greek mythology, Saturn was called Cronus. He was ruler > of the Titans, or Elder Gods, the youngest son of Uranus and Gaea. > Cronus' father, Uranus, regarded his offspring with horror and cast > them into the depths of earth when they were born. When Cronus was > born, at the prompting of his mother, he rebelled against his father > and mutilated him with a sickle. We see the themes of rebellion and > independence, which are normally associated with Uranus, but here > they are carried out by Cronus. The blend of the stories of Cronus > and Uranus helps us see how Saturn is associated with both Aquarius, > which represents the elements of rebellion, liberation and freedom, > and Capricorn, which is normally associated with Saturnian > qualities. > > It is said in esoteric teaching that Saturn is the planet of > discipleship. "A disciple is someone who learns by surrendering to > Reality, who studies minute by minute everything that Saturn has to > teach, be it bitter or sweet. True disciples attempt to control > their own nature, that they may influence Saturn's influence on > themselves." > > Saturn is like the stern look of the guru. When you look > into his eyes you see the mirror of your folly and your human > creation. There can be fear in this experience, but if you let the > transmutive fires of Saturn's gaze go through you, you will come out > the other side free from the substance and the habit patterns that > got you there in the first place. > > Saturn dries you up and parches your thirst to where you > feel nothing-that is nothing that is not real. When karma is due, > the swiftness of how it descends, sometimes with great terror, just > like what happened to King Vikramaditya, can be devastating. That is > why Saturn is viewed with fear and terror. However, he delivers > nothing that hasn't been ordered. He is simply the messenger and > harbinger of our fate. When he comes to our door, time is up and > putting off the inevitable of paying for our mistakes is not > possible. However, once the karma is balanced and time is served, > there is wonderful relief to the soul. > > The key is to learn the lesson that Saturn teaches and not > repeat the behavior. It is imperative that you get wise and become > conscious of the fact that what is delivered to your doorstep can't > be blamed on anyone else, that you have to vomit that part of > yourself out of the subconscious like Saturn did and face it. > Otherwise, you will continue to weave a karmic web that you will > eventually experience as fate or karma returning just as Carl Jung > said-i.e. what is not brought to the conscious mind is lived out as > fate. > > When in the grips of Saturn, i.e. your own karma, you may > feel hopeless, depressed, trapped. And you will be trapped for as > long as necessary. However, there is hope in the midst of it. Be > humble, look at the circumstances for what they are and know that it > is coming around for a reason. You are experiencing something that > you have done unto another and now it is time to learn the lesson of > what it feels like to be on the receiving end. > > Look inside yourself as to the causes, don't blame another, > open your heart to Saturn as your teacher, and it can be one of the > most rewarding experiences of a lifetime. The sooner you learn that > no one does anything to you, that you essentially do it to yourself, > the sooner you are released from Saturn's grip. Soon we begin to > welcome Saturn into our life because we know that after his cycle is > complete, we have paid a certain debt that will leave us freer and > happier, and hopefully wiser, to live our lives unencumbered by > karma hanging over our heads. > > Saturn can be your greatest friend in that he shows you the > tangible results of your actions so that you can make corrections, > serve your time and turn around and do it right the next time. The > stern gaze of Saturn is only stern to those who have something to > fear, something to lose. That loss is the loss of their human > creation, a creation that is not real in the first place and exists > only in the sands of time and space."> > > But probably this is from a practitioner of Western Astrology. What > do our sages say abt. Saturn???> > Any thoughts??? > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > ==>> > NH2 theory: [if I reverse it..]> > Saturn in 7H = 6th house lord in 7th house> > = In KP 6th house is Virgo; thus we take Virgo as lagna;> > 6th house from Virgo is Aquarius, owner Saturn;> > [as we placed Mercury in various houses when 2HL was> > discussed, I suppose we can consider Saturn similarly> > as far as 6H of KP per NH2 theory is considered]> > Hence we arrive at Sa,6H lord for Virgo placed in 7H.> > <==> > I don't understand what you are saying. Please don't use > NH2 as of> > now - till you see what it is. NH2 is given only to decipher the > results> > related to "House lords" (i.e House base results); and here you are> > trying to use it(?) related to Planet-House base result > derivation; they> > two are distinctly different things. So as of now please forget > NH2 -> > and let us not confuse ourselves and others. We will use and > understand> > it in detail later. > > ==>> > > According to NH1 theory, Sa placed in 7H will be an exalted > Saturn> > > and hence leading to conjugal bliss and other positive things> > > attributable to 7H.> > <==> > This I agree - presented well; But still don't forget that it > is> > Saturn, with all the possibilities of giving bad results as well, > if> > other conditions are even slightly favorable. Remember the chart> > provided by you in which Saturn in own house in Capricorn created a> > womanizer. That is a pointer to the fact that - even when > providing> > material comforts - Saturn CAN certainly cause bad results - if > not for> > him, but for others. For Aries lagna - think what if the 7th lord > Venus> > is debilitated (in 6th) while Saturn is exalted. Similar > results? > > What if Saturn in 7th is aspected by Moon? Two marriages or is it > that> > his or his wife's parents would be twice married? What if another> > malefic (such as Mars or Sun) is present along with Saturn in 7th > in> > Libra? Lose of wife? What if there is a mutual exchange between > 5th and> > 7th lords which Saturn is in 7th in Libra? A love marriage, > sincerity> > and a happy married life? What if Saturn, and Sun is in 7th - and > Sun's> > dasa running? Marriage in time or would it be a late marriage? > Check> > your sample data collection. []> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > According to NH1 theory, Sa placed in 7H will be an exalted > Saturn> > > and hence leading to conjugal bliss and other positive things> > > attributable to 7H.> > >> > > NH2 theory: [if I reverse it..]> > >> > > Saturn in 7H = 6th house lord in 7th house> > > = In KP 6th house is Virgo; thus we take Virgo as > lagna;> > > 6th house from Virgo is Aquarius, owner Saturn;> > > [as we placed Mercury in various houses when 2HL > was> > > discussed, I suppose we can consider Saturn > similarly> > > as far as 6H of KP per NH2 theory is considered]> > > Hence we arrive at Sa,6H lord for Virgo placed > in 7H.> > >> > > Now coming to general theory, 6HL in 7H gives mostly negative> > > results as per 7H is considered.> > > [a]. 6HL is the lord of adversities.> > > . for 7H, 6HL is the 12th lord from it.> > >> > > Wild imagination...Right????? I am not sure whether I have > grasped> > > your NH2 theory properly after so many instructions given by you.> > > But opening my mind..I am sure I will get it right even after > many> > > failed attempts.> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - > RESULTS,> > > > related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify > one> > > thing> > > > in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a> > > collection> > > > (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section > given> > > below> > > > contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will > not. I> > > > HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I> > > depend> > > > upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I > am> > > trying> > > > to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various> > > authors,> > > > nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing > ones.> > > > Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are> > > > conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th > house.> > > The> > > > section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and> > > separate> > > > the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we > will try> > > > analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason > for> > > > failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and > which I> > > > depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') > are> > > texts> > > > such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, > Saravali> > > and> > > > BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics > and> > > > quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing> > > material> > > > for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And > here> > > it> > > > goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.> > > > ==========================> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and > wealth> > > > would be less. The native will not give much importance to > dress> > > and may> > > > wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress> > > codes. He> > > > will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity > of> > > wealth> > > > many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times> > > even> > > > turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,> > > > Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in > education> > > > (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If > Saturn> > > is in> > > > Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this> > > could be> > > > death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, > Capricorn> > > and> > > > Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will> > > demand> > > > other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except > in> > > these> > > > signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the> > > dasa of> > > > Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by > benefics).> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and> > > > happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a> > > wife (his> > > > wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad > away> > > from> > > > wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear > shabby> > > cloths> > > > or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will> > > commit> > > > sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of > Saturn.> > > (This> > > > result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn > is> > > not in> > > > own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and > is> > > > aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own > house> > > then> > > > too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize > to a> > > > limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.> > > >> > > > If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics > then> > > the> > > > death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But > instead it> > > > should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl > with> > > much> > > > age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually> > > she is> > > > (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a > girl> > > who is> > > > not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be> > > delay in> > > > marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the> > > marriage> > > > would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also> > possible> > > > that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in> > > relation –> > > > i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a > relation> > > was> > > > present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th > aspected by> > > > Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a> > > girl/boy who> > > > is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have > such> > > an> > > > experience (provided other combinations also support the same) > or> > > that> > > > he/she will marry more than once.> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper > wife/husband> > –> > > > at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good> > > wife/husband> > > > (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good> > > wife/husband)> > > > he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not > live> > > long.> > > > This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted > or in> > > own> > > > house.> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, > then> > > there> > > > is a chance that the native may have diseases related to > Pancreas,> > > > Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) > or> > > Sugar.> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have> > > > children or may have some disease or problems related to > Ultras or> > > > Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's > horoscope,> > > > the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband > with> > > much> > > > age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or> > > exalted.> > > >> > > > Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is > sure> > > to> > > > give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if> > > > Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo> > > lagna> > > > in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife > (death> > > of> > > > wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also> > > > occurs.> > > > Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with > Saturn> > > in 7th,> > > > a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.> > > > If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have > a> > > serious> > > > attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a> > > mature> > > > manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth,> > > and will> > > > love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the> > > sexual> > > > urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of> > > males> > > > this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is > present> > > then> > > > during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation> > > from> > > > wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange> > > > between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love> > > marriage and> > > > would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy> > > married> > > > life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and> > > wealth. In> > > > the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative> > > > activities trying to improve his own position, repute and > power.> > > This> > > > gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives > all> > > good> > > > results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord> > > indicates> > > > the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his> > > beneficial> > > > qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and > well> > > > placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the> > > native> > > > will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but> > still> > > > the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to > this> > > case> > > > – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same;> > > where> > > > as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries> > > lagna). But> > > > if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go > upside> > > down> > > > with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and > deeds> > > (with> > > > can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions > support> > > the> > > > same), his wife not getting enough attention.> > > > ==========================> > > >> > > > Please note the following points -> > > > * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of > this> > > > discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn> > > will> > > > give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also > what> > > would> > > > be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is > present> > > for> > > > Saturn.> > > > * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of> > > > experimenting with the derived results by the use of "Blind> > > charts with> > > > Saturn in 7th house", and the participants who enriched their> > > > understanding about "Saturn in 7th house" should then > participate> > > in the> > > > quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts> > > should be> > > > revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji,> > > Sunil ji> > > > etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now> > > itself. Let> > > > us learn through experience and experimenting.> > > > * I request all "Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions)" ; so > that> > > the> > > > trick of "explaining away anything" played by some can be > avoided.> > > > * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we > will> > > accept> > > > and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT > USING> > > EXTRA> > > > PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.> > > > Regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > > > Re: Re: sani in 7th house> > > > Dear All,> > > > Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:> > > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in > marriage,> > > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband > treating> > > her> > > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is > not> > > good> > > > looking and strong.> > > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the > 4th> > > house,> > > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real > estate/vehicles> > > etc -> > > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even > if he> > > does> > > > he will not enjoy the same.> > > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the > 9th> > > house,> > > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not> > > believe in> > > > God and consequently less punya.> > > >> > > > However, I beg to differ with her specific results> > > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause> > > the bad> > > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give > good> > > > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > > >> > > > If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house > in> > > 7H it> > > > will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage > may be> > > a bit> > > > late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The> > > native> > > > will project a good image to others.> > > > But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have > to> > > go by> > > > lagna:> > > > an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an > inimical> > > > aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.> > > > It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may > cause> > > harm to> > > > mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth> > > place.> > > > It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not > be> > > very> > > > good for father.> > > > On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is > debilitated> > > and> > > > thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna > on> > > tula> > > > sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, > similarly> > > it> > > > will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very > good> > > for 4H> > > > affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H > and> > > hence> > > > will be good for 9H affairs.> > > > We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 19/01/2008, Kiran R kiran.rama@> > > > <../../../../post?postID=P767P6WYrOKRqDLo-> > > Nqbo_BDHHHNbw2vM3gcBffOndZc2Ze\> > > > JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:> > > > Sreenadhji,> > > >> > > > here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:> > > >> > > > Saturn in 7th house can give following results:> > > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in > marriage,> > > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband > treating> > > her> > > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is > not> > > good> > > > looking and strong.> > > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the > 4th> > > house,> > > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real > estate/vehicles> > > etc -> > > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even > if he> > > does> > > > he will not enjoy the same.> > > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the > 9th> > > house,> > > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not> > > believe in> > > > God and consequently less punya.> > > >> > > > Now what are the exceptions:> > > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause> > > the bad> > > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give > good> > > > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > > > 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good> > > spouse/married> > > > life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) > which> > > is in> > > > exaltation> > > > 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not> > > harm the> > > > 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic> > > aspect the> > > > 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and > spirituality.> > > > Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be > good> > > > looking> > > > 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest> > > assured> > > > extreme results with no marriage, or divorce> > > > 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a> > > lesser> > > > degree> > > >> > > > Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g:> > > Saturn for> > > > Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth> > > lord). For> > > > such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st > and> > > 2nd> > > > lord is going to sustana.> > > >> > > > I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, > Chandrashekarji> > > to> > > > confirm my analysis.> > > >> > > > regards> > > > kiran> > > >> > > > Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he > will> > > > destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to> > > the 7H.> > > >> > > > Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?> > > >> > > > Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant > etc: and> > > > Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, > grief> > > from> > > > spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.> > > >> > > > Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?> > > > Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect > the> > > lagna> > > > (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal > uncle,> > > real> > > > estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause > problems of> > > > wealth> > > >> > > > Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?> > > > Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house > stands> > > for> > > > occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in > society> > > >> > > > SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji> > > >> > > > Sreenadh < sreesog@> > > > <../../../../post?> > > postID=Z_RG1gaxZbRl7yKlthGvQPlsmXs1upj0TjKJsDqfq5Rs1dz\> > > > AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > > This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body> > > sure what> > > > to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members> > > like> > > > Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this > long> > > thread> > > > for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our > current> > > > location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the> > > various> > > > possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some > tangible> > > and> > > > solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next> > > mail.> > > > It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka > and> > > > numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words> > > like> > > > good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - > What> > > is the> > > > RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your> > > answers> > > > and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's > reading> > > with> > > > practical chart examples in our collection with the same> > > combination.> > > > So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in> > > 7th, more> > > > valuable and creative.> > > > And please note -> > > > * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, > naskshatras,> > > > karakamsas and so on.> > > > * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any > house); at> > > the> > > > most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding > ownhouse,> > > > exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak > about the> > > > RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc> > > > * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you > know> > > and what> > > > you don't; what you trust and what you not.> > > > * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by > them; if> > > the> > > > CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection > and> > > > actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever> > > names or> > > > books you quote - that would be rejected.> > > > So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march! > > > Find the> > > > thief and hang him, for all to view! > > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 That was an excellent one Sreenadhji on SaturnHope I am not asking for spoonfeeding here - Can we expect a similar post for all planets ?ny way the prime points to start with as per the sages is - * Saturn is the significator of Tamas Guna and Air tatwa. * Saturn in the owner of 10th (Job) and 11th (gain) in Natural horoscope. * Saturn is exalted in 7th house (Desire/Naval) in natural horoscope and is debilitated in head - and may be that is why becoming servant ;=) * Significance of several things such as Darkness, sadness, black color, long body, strong nerves, hard work, road/air/water - travel, dry skin, birds (like crow) and many more are assigned to Saturn to help us derive the results. Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Vinita ji, That was a nice introduction - poetic and literary. But where are the results?!!! This is the very reason people like Sunil ji used to laugh at western astrology, because they have nothing else to say except personality traits. ==> > But probably this is from a practitioner of Western Astrology. What > do our sages say abt. Saturn??? <== Yes, we can go through that; but I am worried about - * What will happen to 2nd lord in 3rd? * What will happen to all the other plants in between? * We have already started eating the middle peace of Saturn (i.e. Saturn in 7th house) - and so can we get up without finishing the lunch? Any way the prime points to start with as per the sages is - * Saturn is the significator of Tamas Guna and Air tatwa. * Saturn in the owner of 10th (Job) and 11th (gain) in Natural horoscope. * Saturn is exalted in 7th house (Desire/Naval) in natural horoscope and is debilitated in head - and may be that is why becoming servant ;=) * Significance of several things such as Darkness, sadness, black color, long body, strong nerves, hard work, road/air/water - travel, dry skin, birds (like crow) and many more are assigned to Saturn to help us derive the results. It is the point from which we should start and possibly not from the stories; and the emphasis should be in results - as per sages. Actually it was Mihira, he was against "Prasna pratiprasna katha prasanga". Tto be descriptive, his pointer is - he was against puranic stories with questions and answers reaching noware and hiding the facts in the heap of hay; and story telling which makes the student confused rather than focused on astrological methodologies and effort to arrive at sharp results. So even though interesting and refreshing, when we want to see "what the sages said" - then our attitude usually will have to take a 180 degree turn from the western mere psychological path of story telling and fitting to any one personality traits. Love and regards, Sreenadh , "vinita kumar" <shankar_mamta wrote:>> Dear friends,> > i was glancing thru this very, very looooooong chain on Saturn in > 7th and thought whether it is possible to have a discussion on > Saturn in various houses, or am i jumping the gun...?> > but then if we were to take one planet at a time poor Saturn would > come at the very end of the list, won't it?....> > that would be a long wait indeed!!!!> > So could we jump all other planets and discuss Saturn????> > i had compiled a little write-up on Saturn some time back which may > kick off some thoughts...maybe...?!> > According to Dr. Robert Svoboda:> > "Saturn represents boundaries, limits, structure, discipline, > responsibility, honor, and integrity, among other things. His rings > are symbolic of those limits, forming a band around the planet, > symbolic of the iron band we form around ourselves as a result of > our actions, our karma. Saturn represents the material plane. In > astrology he has the ability to crystallize things into the > physical. It is also interesting that Saturn with its rings looks > like an atom with electrons swirling around it. Atoms are the > building blocks of material, of matter. > > Svoboda defines Saturn (Shani) as "the planet in charge of fate, > which forces you to experience your karmas whether you want to or > not". Saturn is the brother of Yama, the god of righteousness and > death. The great sage and father of Vedic astrology, Parasara, > linked Saturn with Brahma. > > It is said that until you have completely conquered and gained > control of your inner nature, Saturn can still affect you and you > are at his mercy. Saturn searches out the weaknesses in our > personality and will expose these weaknesses and limitations. This > is where some of the positive aspects of Saturn, such as self-> discipline, come in handy to help people pull in the reigns and > control their lower nature. > > In Greek mythology, Saturn was called Cronus. He was ruler > of the Titans, or Elder Gods, the youngest son of Uranus and Gaea. > Cronus' father, Uranus, regarded his offspring with horror and cast > them into the depths of earth when they were born. When Cronus was > born, at the prompting of his mother, he rebelled against his father > and mutilated him with a sickle. We see the themes of rebellion and > independence, which are normally associated with Uranus, but here > they are carried out by Cronus. The blend of the stories of Cronus > and Uranus helps us see how Saturn is associated with both Aquarius, > which represents the elements of rebellion, liberation and freedom, > and Capricorn, which is normally associated with Saturnian > qualities. > > It is said in esoteric teaching that Saturn is the planet of > discipleship. "A disciple is someone who learns by surrendering to > Reality, who studies minute by minute everything that Saturn has to > teach, be it bitter or sweet. True disciples attempt to control > their own nature, that they may influence Saturn's influence on > themselves." > > Saturn is like the stern look of the guru. When you look > into his eyes you see the mirror of your folly and your human > creation. There can be fear in this experience, but if you let the > transmutive fires of Saturn's gaze go through you, you will come out > the other side free from the substance and the habit patterns that > got you there in the first place. > > Saturn dries you up and parches your thirst to where you > feel nothing-that is nothing that is not real. When karma is due, > the swiftness of how it descends, sometimes with great terror, just > like what happened to King Vikramaditya, can be devastating. That is > why Saturn is viewed with fear and terror. However, he delivers > nothing that hasn't been ordered. He is simply the messenger and > harbinger of our fate. When he comes to our door, time is up and > putting off the inevitable of paying for our mistakes is not > possible. However, once the karma is balanced and time is served, > there is wonderful relief to the soul. > > The key is to learn the lesson that Saturn teaches and not > repeat the behavior. It is imperative that you get wise and become > conscious of the fact that what is delivered to your doorstep can't > be blamed on anyone else, that you have to vomit that part of > yourself out of the subconscious like Saturn did and face it. > Otherwise, you will continue to weave a karmic web that you will > eventually experience as fate or karma returning just as Carl Jung > said-i.e. what is not brought to the conscious mind is lived out as > fate. > > When in the grips of Saturn, i.e. your own karma, you may > feel hopeless, depressed, trapped. And you will be trapped for as > long as necessary. However, there is hope in the midst of it. Be > humble, look at the circumstances for what they are and know that it > is coming around for a reason. You are experiencing something that > you have done unto another and now it is time to learn the lesson of > what it feels like to be on the receiving end. > > Look inside yourself as to the causes, don't blame another, > open your heart to Saturn as your teacher, and it can be one of the > most rewarding experiences of a lifetime. The sooner you learn that > no one does anything to you, that you essentially do it to yourself, > the sooner you are released from Saturn's grip. Soon we begin to > welcome Saturn into our life because we know that after his cycle is > complete, we have paid a certain debt that will leave us freer and > happier, and hopefully wiser, to live our lives unencumbered by > karma hanging over our heads. > > Saturn can be your greatest friend in that he shows you the > tangible results of your actions so that you can make corrections, > serve your time and turn around and do it right the next time. The > stern gaze of Saturn is only stern to those who have something to > fear, something to lose. That loss is the loss of their human > creation, a creation that is not real in the first place and exists > only in the sands of time and space."> > > But probably this is from a practitioner of Western Astrology. What > do our sages say abt. Saturn???> > Any thoughts??? > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Renu ji,> > ==>> > NH2 theory: [if I reverse it..]> > Saturn in 7H = 6th house lord in 7th house> > = In KP 6th house is Virgo; thus we take Virgo as lagna;> > 6th house from Virgo is Aquarius, owner Saturn;> > [as we placed Mercury in various houses when 2HL was> > discussed, I suppose we can consider Saturn similarly> > as far as 6H of KP per NH2 theory is considered]> > Hence we arrive at Sa,6H lord for Virgo placed in 7H.> > <==> > I don't understand what you are saying. Please don't use > NH2 as of> > now - till you see what it is. NH2 is given only to decipher the > results> > related to "House lords" (i.e House base results); and here you are> > trying to use it(?) related to Planet-House base result > derivation; they> > two are distinctly different things. So as of now please forget > NH2 -> > and let us not confuse ourselves and others. We will use and > understand> > it in detail later. > > ==>> > > According to NH1 theory, Sa placed in 7H will be an exalted > Saturn> > > and hence leading to conjugal bliss and other positive things> > > attributable to 7H.> > <==> > This I agree - presented well; But still don't forget that it > is> > Saturn, with all the possibilities of giving bad results as well, > if> > other conditions are even slightly favorable. Remember the chart> > provided by you in which Saturn in own house in Capricorn created a> > womanizer. That is a pointer to the fact that - even when > providing> > material comforts - Saturn CAN certainly cause bad results - if > not for> > him, but for others. For Aries lagna - think what if the 7th lord > Venus> > is debilitated (in 6th) while Saturn is exalted. Similar > results? > > What if Saturn in 7th is aspected by Moon? Two marriages or is it > that> > his or his wife's parents would be twice married? What if another> > malefic (such as Mars or Sun) is present along with Saturn in 7th > in> > Libra? Lose of wife? What if there is a mutual exchange between > 5th and> > 7th lords which Saturn is in 7th in Libra? A love marriage, > sincerity> > and a happy married life? What if Saturn, and Sun is in 7th - and > Sun's> > dasa running? Marriage in time or would it be a late marriage? > Check> > your sample data collection. []> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > >> > > According to NH1 theory, Sa placed in 7H will be an exalted > Saturn> > > and hence leading to conjugal bliss and other positive things> > > attributable to 7H.> > >> > > NH2 theory: [if I reverse it..]> > >> > > Saturn in 7H = 6th house lord in 7th house> > > = In KP 6th house is Virgo; thus we take Virgo as > lagna;> > > 6th house from Virgo is Aquarius, owner Saturn;> > > [as we placed Mercury in various houses when 2HL > was> > > discussed, I suppose we can consider Saturn > similarly> > > as far as 6H of KP per NH2 theory is considered]> > > Hence we arrive at Sa,6H lord for Virgo placed > in 7H.> > >> > > Now coming to general theory, 6HL in 7H gives mostly negative> > > results as per 7H is considered.> > > [a]. 6HL is the lord of adversities.> > > . for 7H, 6HL is the 12th lord from it.> > >> > > Wild imagination...Right????? I am not sure whether I have > grasped> > > your NH2 theory properly after so many instructions given by you.> > > But opening my mind..I am sure I will get it right even after > many> > > failed attempts.> > >> > > blessings> > >> > > Renu> > > , "Sreenadh"> > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear All,> > > > To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - > RESULTS,> > > > related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify > one> > > thing> > > > in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a> > > collection> > > > (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section > given> > > below> > > > contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will > not. I> > > > HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I> > > depend> > > > upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I > am> > > trying> > > > to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various> > > authors,> > > > nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing > ones.> > > > Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are> > > > conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th > house.> > > The> > > > section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and> > > separate> > > > the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we > will try> > > > analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason > for> > > > failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and > which I> > > > depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') > are> > > texts> > > > such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, > Saravali> > > and> > > > BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics > and> > > > quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing> > > material> > > > for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And > here> > > it> > > > goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.> > > > ==========================> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and > wealth> > > > would be less. The native will not give much importance to > dress> > > and may> > > > wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress> > > codes. He> > > > will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity > of> > > wealth> > > > many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times> > > even> > > > turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,> > > > Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in > education> > > > (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If > Saturn> > > is in> > > > Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this> > > could be> > > > death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, > Capricorn> > > and> > > > Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will> > > demand> > > > other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except > in> > > these> > > > signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the> > > dasa of> > > > Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by > benefics).> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and> > > > happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a> > > wife (his> > > > wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad > away> > > from> > > > wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear > shabby> > > cloths> > > > or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will> > > commit> > > > sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of > Saturn.> > > (This> > > > result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn > is> > > not in> > > > own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and > is> > > > aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own > house> > > then> > > > too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize > to a> > > > limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.> > > >> > > > If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics > then> > > the> > > > death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But > instead it> > > > should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl > with> > > much> > > > age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually> > > she is> > > > (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a > girl> > > who is> > > > not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be> > > delay in> > > > marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the> > > marriage> > > > would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also> > possible> > > > that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in> > > relation –> > > > i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a > relation> > > was> > > > present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th > aspected by> > > > Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a> > > girl/boy who> > > > is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have > such> > > an> > > > experience (provided other combinations also support the same) > or> > > that> > > > he/she will marry more than once.> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper > wife/husband> > –> > > > at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good> > > wife/husband> > > > (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good> > > wife/husband)> > > > he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not > live> > > long.> > > > This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted > or in> > > own> > > > house.> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, > then> > > there> > > > is a chance that the native may have diseases related to > Pancreas,> > > > Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) > or> > > Sugar.> > > >> > > > If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have> > > > children or may have some disease or problems related to > Ultras or> > > > Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's > horoscope,> > > > the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband > with> > > much> > > > age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or> > > exalted.> > > >> > > > Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is > sure> > > to> > > > give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if> > > > Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo> > > lagna> > > > in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife > (death> > > of> > > > wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also> > > > occurs.> > > > Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with > Saturn> > > in 7th,> > > > a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.> > > > If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have > a> > > serious> > > > attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a> > > mature> > > > manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth,> > > and will> > > > love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the> > > sexual> > > > urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of> > > males> > > > this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is > present> > > then> > > > during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation> > > from> > > > wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange> > > > between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love> > > marriage and> > > > would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy> > > married> > > > life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and> > > wealth. In> > > > the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative> > > > activities trying to improve his own position, repute and > power.> > > This> > > > gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives > all> > > good> > > > results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord> > > indicates> > > > the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his> > > beneficial> > > > qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and > well> > > > placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the> > > native> > > > will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but> > still> > > > the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to > this> > > case> > > > – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same;> > > where> > > > as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries> > > lagna). But> > > > if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go > upside> > > down> > > > with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and > deeds> > > (with> > > > can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions > support> > > the> > > > same), his wife not getting enough attention.> > > > ==========================> > > >> > > > Please note the following points -> > > > * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of > this> > > > discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn> > > will> > > > give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also > what> > > would> > > > be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is > present> > > for> > > > Saturn.> > > > * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of> > > > experimenting with the derived results by the use of "Blind> > > charts with> > > > Saturn in 7th house", and the participants who enriched their> > > > understanding about "Saturn in 7th house" should then > participate> > > in the> > > > quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts> > > should be> > > > revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji,> > > Sunil ji> > > > etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now> > > itself. Let> > > > us learn through experience and experimenting.> > > > * I request all "Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions)" ; so > that> > > the> > > > trick of "explaining away anything" played by some can be > avoided.> > > > * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we > will> > > accept> > > > and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT > USING> > > EXTRA> > > > PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.> > > > Regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > > > Re: Re: sani in 7th house> > > > Dear All,> > > > Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:> > > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in > marriage,> > > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband > treating> > > her> > > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is > not> > > good> > > > looking and strong.> > > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the > 4th> > > house,> > > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real > estate/vehicles> > > etc -> > > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even > if he> > > does> > > > he will not enjoy the same.> > > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the > 9th> > > house,> > > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not> > > believe in> > > > God and consequently less punya.> > > >> > > > However, I beg to differ with her specific results> > > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause> > > the bad> > > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give > good> > > > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > > >> > > > If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house > in> > > 7H it> > > > will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage > may be> > > a bit> > > > late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The> > > native> > > > will project a good image to others.> > > > But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have > to> > > go by> > > > lagna:> > > > an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an > inimical> > > > aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.> > > > It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may > cause> > > harm to> > > > mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth> > > place.> > > > It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not > be> > > very> > > > good for father.> > > > On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is > debilitated> > > and> > > > thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna > on> > > tula> > > > sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, > similarly> > > it> > > > will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very > good> > > for 4H> > > > affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H > and> > > hence> > > > will be good for 9H affairs.> > > > We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > On 19/01/2008, Kiran R kiran.rama@> > > > <../../../../post?postID=P767P6WYrOKRqDLo-> > > Nqbo_BDHHHNbw2vM3gcBffOndZc2Ze\> > > > JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:> > > > Sreenadhji,> > > >> > > > here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:> > > >> > > > Saturn in 7th house can give following results:> > > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in > marriage,> > > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband > treating> > > her> > > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is > not> > > good> > > > looking and strong.> > > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the > 4th> > > house,> > > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real > estate/vehicles> > > etc -> > > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even > if he> > > does> > > > he will not enjoy the same.> > > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the > 9th> > > house,> > > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not> > > believe in> > > > God and consequently less punya.> > > >> > > > Now what are the exceptions:> > > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause> > > the bad> > > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give > good> > > > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > > > 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good> > > spouse/married> > > > life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) > which> > > is in> > > > exaltation> > > > 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not> > > harm the> > > > 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic> > > aspect the> > > > 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and > spirituality.> > > > Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be > good> > > > looking> > > > 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest> > > assured> > > > extreme results with no marriage, or divorce> > > > 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a> > > lesser> > > > degree> > > >> > > > Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g:> > > Saturn for> > > > Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth> > > lord). For> > > > such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st > and> > > 2nd> > > > lord is going to sustana.> > > >> > > > I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, > Chandrashekarji> > > to> > > > confirm my analysis.> > > >> > > > regards> > > > kiran> > > >> > > > Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he > will> > > > destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to> > > the 7H.> > > >> > > > Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?> > > >> > > > Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant > etc: and> > > > Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, > grief> > > from> > > > spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.> > > >> > > > Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?> > > > Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect > the> > > lagna> > > > (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal > uncle,> > > real> > > > estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause > problems of> > > > wealth> > > >> > > > Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?> > > > Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house > stands> > > for> > > > occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in > society> > > >> > > > SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji> > > >> > > > Sreenadh < sreesog@> > > > <../../../../post?> > > postID=Z_RG1gaxZbRl7yKlthGvQPlsmXs1upj0TjKJsDqfq5Rs1dz\> > > > AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:> > > > Dear All,> > > > This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body> > > sure what> > > > to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members> > > like> > > > Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this > long> > > thread> > > > for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our > current> > > > location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the> > > various> > > > possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some > tangible> > > and> > > > solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next> > > mail.> > > > It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka > and> > > > numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words> > > like> > > > good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - > What> > > is the> > > > RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your> > > answers> > > > and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's > reading> > > with> > > > practical chart examples in our collection with the same> > > combination.> > > > So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in> > > 7th, more> > > > valuable and creative.> > > > And please note -> > > > * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, > naskshatras,> > > > karakamsas and so on.> > > > * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any > house); at> > > the> > > > most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding > ownhouse,> > > > exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak > about the> > > > RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc> > > > * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you > know> > > and what> > > > you don't; what you trust and what you not.> > > > * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by > them; if> > > the> > > > CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection > and> > > > actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever> > > names or> > > > books you quote - that would be rejected.> > > > So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march! > > > Find the> > > > thief and hang him, for all to view! > > > > Love and regards,> > > > Sreenadh> > > >> > >> >> Now you can chat without downloading messenger. 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Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 Dear Kiran ji, We shouldn't expect anything taught the sages - I believe. Love and regards, Sreenadh , Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote:>> That was an excellent one Sreenadhji on Saturn> > Hope I am not asking for spoonfeeding here - Can we expect a similar post for all planets ?> > ny way the prime points to start with as per the sages is - > * Saturn is the significator of Tamas Guna and Air tatwa.> * Saturn in the owner of 10th (Job) and 11th (gain) in Natural horoscope. > * Saturn is exalted in 7th house (Desire/Naval) in natural horoscope and is debilitated in head - and may be that is why becoming servant ;=) > * Significance of several things such as Darkness, sadness, black color, long body, strong nerves, hard work, road/air/water - travel, dry skin, birds (like crow) and many more are assigned to Saturn to help us derive the results. > > Sreenadh sreesog wrote: > Dear Vinita ji,> That was a nice introduction - poetic and literary. But where are the results?!!! This is the very reason people like Sunil ji used to laugh at western astrology, because they have nothing else to say except personality traits. > ==>> > But probably this is from a practitioner of Western Astrology. What > > do our sages say abt. Saturn???> <== > Yes, we can go through that; but I am worried about - > * What will happen to 2nd lord in 3rd? > * What will happen to all the other plants in between? > * We have already started eating the middle peace of Saturn (i.e. Saturn in 7th house) - and so can we get up without finishing the lunch? > Any way the prime points to start with as per the sages is - > * Saturn is the significator of Tamas Guna and Air tatwa.> * Saturn in the owner of 10th (Job) and 11th (gain) in Natural horoscope. > * Saturn is exalted in 7th house (Desire/Naval) in natural horoscope and is debilitated in head - and may be that is why becoming servant ;=) > * Significance of several things such as Darkness, sadness, black color, long body, strong nerves, hard work, road/air/water - travel, dry skin, birds (like crow) and many more are assigned to Saturn to help us derive the results. > It is the point from which we should start and possibly not from the stories; and the emphasis should be in results - as per sages. Actually it was Mihira, he was against "Prasna pratiprasna katha prasanga". Tto be descriptive, his pointer is - he was against puranic stories with questions and answers reaching noware and hiding the facts in the heap of hay; and story telling which makes the student confused rather than focused on astrological methodologies and effort to arrive at sharp results. So even though interesting and refreshing, when we want to see "what the sages said" - then our attitude usually will have to take a 180 degree turn from the western mere psychological path of story telling and fitting to any one personality traits. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh > , "vinita kumar" shankar_mamta@ wrote:> >> > Dear friends,> > > > i was glancing thru this very, very looooooong chain on Saturn in > > 7th and thought whether it is possible to have a discussion on > > Saturn in various houses, or am i jumping the gun...?> > > > but then if we were to take one planet at a time poor Saturn would > > come at the very end of the list, won't it?....> > > > that would be a long wait indeed!!!!> > > > So could we jump all other planets and discuss Saturn????> > > > i had compiled a little write-up on Saturn some time back which may > > kick off some thoughts...maybe...?!> > > > According to Dr. Robert Svoboda:> > > > "Saturn represents boundaries, limits, structure, discipline, > > responsibility, honor, and integrity, among other things. His rings > > are symbolic of those limits, forming a band around the planet, > > symbolic of the iron band we form around ourselves as a result of > > our actions, our karma. Saturn represents the material plane. In > > astrology he has the ability to crystallize things into the > > physical. It is also interesting that Saturn with its rings looks > > like an atom with electrons swirling around it. Atoms are the > > building blocks of material, of matter. > > > > Svoboda defines Saturn (Shani) as "the planet in charge of fate, > > which forces you to experience your karmas whether you want to or > > not". Saturn is the brother of Yama, the god of righteousness and > > death. The great sage and father of Vedic astrology, Parasara, > > linked Saturn with Brahma. > > > > It is said that until you have completely conquered and gained > > control of your inner nature, Saturn can still affect you and you > > are at his mercy. Saturn searches out the weaknesses in our > > personality and will expose these weaknesses and limitations. This > > is where some of the positive aspects of Saturn, such as self-> > discipline, come in handy to help people pull in the reigns and > > control their lower nature. > > > > In Greek mythology, Saturn was called Cronus. He was ruler > > of the Titans, or Elder Gods, the youngest son of Uranus and Gaea. > > Cronus' father, Uranus, regarded his offspring with horror and cast > > them into the depths of earth when they were born. When Cronus was > > born, at the prompting of his mother, he rebelled against his father > > and mutilated him with a sickle. We see the themes of rebellion and > > independence, which are normally associated with Uranus, but here > > they are carried out by Cronus. The blend of the stories of Cronus > > and Uranus helps us see how Saturn is associated with both Aquarius, > > which represents the elements of rebellion, liberation and freedom, > > and Capricorn, which is normally associated with Saturnian > > qualities. > > > > It is said in esoteric teaching that Saturn is the planet of > > discipleship. "A disciple is someone who learns by surrendering to > > Reality, who studies minute by minute everything that Saturn has to > > teach, be it bitter or sweet. True disciples attempt to control > > their own nature, that they may influence Saturn's influence on > > themselves." > > > > Saturn is like the stern look of the guru. When you look > > into his eyes you see the mirror of your folly and your human > > creation. There can be fear in this experience, but if you let the > > transmutive fires of Saturn's gaze go through you, you will come out > > the other side free from the substance and the habit patterns that > > got you there in the first place. > > > > Saturn dries you up and parches your thirst to where you > > feel nothing-that is nothing that is not real. When karma is due, > > the swiftness of how it descends, sometimes with great terror, just > > like what happened to King Vikramaditya, can be devastating. That is > > why Saturn is viewed with fear and terror. However, he delivers > > nothing that hasn't been ordered. He is simply the messenger and > > harbinger of our fate. When he comes to our door, time is up and > > putting off the inevitable of paying for our mistakes is not > > possible. However, once the karma is balanced and time is served, > > there is wonderful relief to the soul. > > > > The key is to learn the lesson that Saturn teaches and not > > repeat the behavior. It is imperative that you get wise and become > > conscious of the fact that what is delivered to your doorstep can't > > be blamed on anyone else, that you have to vomit that part of > > yourself out of the subconscious like Saturn did and face it. > > Otherwise, you will continue to weave a karmic web that you will > > eventually experience as fate or karma returning just as Carl Jung > > said-i.e. what is not brought to the conscious mind is lived out as > > fate. > > > > When in the grips of Saturn, i.e. your own karma, you may > > feel hopeless, depressed, trapped. And you will be trapped for as > > long as necessary. However, there is hope in the midst of it. Be > > humble, look at the circumstances for what they are and know that it > > is coming around for a reason. You are experiencing something that > > you have done unto another and now it is time to learn the lesson of > > what it feels like to be on the receiving end. > > > > Look inside yourself as to the causes, don't blame another, > > open your heart to Saturn as your teacher, and it can be one of the > > most rewarding experiences of a lifetime. The sooner you learn that > > no one does anything to you, that you essentially do it to yourself, > > the sooner you are released from Saturn's grip. Soon we begin to > > welcome Saturn into our life because we know that after his cycle is > > complete, we have paid a certain debt that will leave us freer and > > happier, and hopefully wiser, to live our lives unencumbered by > > karma hanging over our heads. > > > > Saturn can be your greatest friend in that he shows you the > > tangible results of your actions so that you can make corrections, > > serve your time and turn around and do it right the next time. The > > stern gaze of Saturn is only stern to those who have something to > > fear, something to lose. That loss is the loss of their human > > creation, a creation that is not real in the first place and exists > > only in the sands of time and space."> > > > > > But probably this is from a practitioner of Western Astrology. What > > do our sages say abt. Saturn???> > > > Any thoughts??? > > > > > > > > > > > > , "Sreenadh" > > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > > > > Dear Renu ji,> > > ==>> > > NH2 theory: [if I reverse it..]> > > Saturn in 7H = 6th house lord in 7th house> > > = In KP 6th house is Virgo; thus we take Virgo as lagna;> > > 6th house from Virgo is Aquarius, owner Saturn;> > > [as we placed Mercury in various houses when 2HL was> > > discussed, I suppose we can consider Saturn similarly> > > as far as 6H of KP per NH2 theory is considered]> > > Hence we arrive at Sa,6H lord for Virgo placed in 7H.> > > <==> > > I don't understand what you are saying. Please don't use > > NH2 as of> > > now - till you see what it is. NH2 is given only to decipher the > > results> > > related to "House lords" (i.e House base results); and here you are> > > trying to use it(?) related to Planet-House base result > > derivation; they> > > two are distinctly different things. So as of now please forget > > NH2 -> > > and let us not confuse ourselves and others. We will use and > > understand> > > it in detail later. > > > ==>> > > > According to NH1 theory, Sa placed in 7H will be an exalted > > Saturn> > > > and hence leading to conjugal bliss and other positive things> > > > attributable to 7H.> > > <==> > > This I agree - presented well; But still don't forget that it > > is> > > Saturn, with all the possibilities of giving bad results as well, > > if> > > other conditions are even slightly favorable. Remember the chart> > > provided by you in which Saturn in own house in Capricorn created a> > > womanizer. That is a pointer to the fact that - even when > > providing> > > material comforts - Saturn CAN certainly cause bad results - if > > not for> > > him, but for others. For Aries lagna - think what if the 7th lord > > Venus> > > is debilitated (in 6th) while Saturn is exalted. Similar > > results? > > > What if Saturn in 7th is aspected by Moon? Two marriages or is it > > that> > > his or his wife's parents would be twice married? What if another> > > malefic (such as Mars or Sun) is present along with Saturn in 7th > > in> > > Libra? Lose of wife? What if there is a mutual exchange between > > 5th and> > > 7th lords which Saturn is in 7th in Libra? A love marriage, > > sincerity> > > and a happy married life? What if Saturn, and Sun is in 7th - and > > Sun's> > > dasa running? Marriage in time or would it be a late marriage? > > Check> > > your sample data collection. []> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > , "renunw" <renunw@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > >> > > > According to NH1 theory, Sa placed in 7H will be an exalted > > Saturn> > > > and hence leading to conjugal bliss and other positive things> > > > attributable to 7H.> > > >> > > > NH2 theory: [if I reverse it..]> > > >> > > > Saturn in 7H = 6th house lord in 7th house> > > > = In KP 6th house is Virgo; thus we take Virgo as > > lagna;> > > > 6th house from Virgo is Aquarius, owner Saturn;> > > > [as we placed Mercury in various houses when 2HL > > was> > > > discussed, I suppose we can consider Saturn > > similarly> > > > as far as 6H of KP per NH2 theory is considered]> > > > Hence we arrive at Sa,6H lord for Virgo placed > > in 7H.> > > >> > > > Now coming to general theory, 6HL in 7H gives mostly negative> > > > results as per 7H is considered.> > > > [a]. 6HL is the lord of adversities.> > > > . for 7H, 6HL is the 12th lord from it.> > > >> > > > Wild imagination...Right????? I am not sure whether I have > > grasped> > > > your NH2 theory properly after so many instructions given by you.> > > > But opening my mind..I am sure I will get it right even after > > many> > > > failed attempts.> > > >> > > > blessings> > > >> > > > Renu> > > > , "Sreenadh"> > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > To enritch the discussion I am providing some inputs - > > RESULTS,> > > > > related to Saturn in 7th house. But I would like to clarify > > one> > > > thing> > > > > in the outset itself. They are NOT my opinian; but only a> > > > collection> > > > > (from various sources) to enrich the discussion. The section > > given> > > > below> > > > > contains derivations that will fructify; and some that will > > not. I> > > > > HAVEN'T included the quotes or sections from the major texts I> > > > depend> > > > > upon regarding the same in providing these results; neither I > > am> > > > trying> > > > > to present the logic followed behind the derivations by various> > > > authors,> > > > > nor trying to protect any of those derivations as unfailing > > ones.> > > > > Another set of results that is not included intentionlay are> > > > > conjenction results of Saturn with various planets in 7th > > house.> > > > The> > > > > section below contains both gems as well as trash. Collect and> > > > separate> > > > > the gems based on reality experienced. And mean while - we > > will try> > > > > analyzing the logic behind each derivations - and their reason > > for> > > > > failure and success as well. The books I didn't add (and > > which I> > > > > depend upon for derivations regarding 'X planet in Y house') > > are> > > > texts> > > > > such as Brigu sutra, Chamatkara Chintamani, Garga hora, > > Saravali> > > > and> > > > > BrihatJataka. Of course I will provide an analysis with logics > > and> > > > > quotes from the above texts later - but for now, just providing> > > > material> > > > > for the fire of discussion to burn with full light. :=) And > > here> > > > it> > > > > goes. Note that this NOT a FINAL reading, regarding the same.> > > > > ==========================> > > > >> > > > > If Saturn is in 7th house the sexual happiness from wife and > > wealth> > > > > would be less. The native will not give much importance to > > dress> > > > and may> > > > > wear shabby cloths or will not follow society-accepted dress> > > > codes. He> > > > > will suffer much in life, travel much and will suffer scarcity > > of> > > > wealth> > > > > many times in life. (But note that hard working people at times> > > > even> > > > > turns –ve traits/things positive, in this world of culprits,> > > > > Indulging in marketing and business) will face break in > > education> > > > > (provided the dasa/antara of Saturn comes in due time). If > > Saturn> > > > is in> > > > > Mars (Aries and Scorpio) then he will lose all his wives (this> > > > could be> > > > > death or divorce) during Saturn dasa. Except in Libra, > > Capricorn> > > > and> > > > > Aquarius the chance of losing all wives is high (emphasis will> > > > demand> > > > > other combinations indicating the same to be present). Except > > in> > > > these> > > > > signs, Saturn in 7th may cause delay in marriage (provided the> > > > dasa of> > > > > Saturn comes, also provided Saturn is not aspected by > > benefics).> > > > >> > > > > If Saturn is in 7th, the native may not have enough health and> > > > > happiness, and he will not experience the pleasure of having a> > > > wife (his> > > > > wife will die, or get divorced, or the native may live abroad > > away> > > > from> > > > > wife), and he may suffer monetary downfalls, and will wear > > shabby> > > > cloths> > > > > or will not follow society accepted dress cords in public, will> > > > commit> > > > > sins, and will indulge in non-descent jobs in the dasa of > > Saturn.> > > > (This> > > > > result is sure to materialize in the dasa of Saturn if Saturn > > is> > > > not in> > > > > own house or exalted and also if not aspected by benefics and > > is> > > > > aspected by malefics). Even if Saturn is exalted or in own > > house> > > > then> > > > > too if the dasa of Saturn comes this result will materialize > > to a> > > > > limited extend provided the dasa of Saturn occurs.> > > > >> > > > > If Saturn is exalted (i.e. Libra) and is aspected by benefics > > then> > > > the> > > > > death of wife (or divorce) should not be predicted. But > > instead it> > > > > should be predicted that the native will marry either a girl > > with> > > > much> > > > > age difference; or that the wife looks much older than actually> > > > she is> > > > > (in looks/behavior/sexual attitude); or that he will marry a > > girl> > > > who is> > > > > not beautiful as per his own standards; or that there would be> > > > delay in> > > > > marriage. (If Saturn is exalted it should not be said that the> > > > marriage> > > > > would he delayed – it is only a possibility). It is also> > > possible> > > > > that at the end the marriage will happen with a person in> > > > relation –> > > > > i.e. from among the relative, or with a person to whom a > > relation> > > > was> > > > > present for long (i.e. love marriage). A Saturn in 7th > > aspected by> > > > > Moon, it can point to the fact that the native may marry a> > > > girl/boy who> > > > > is a divorcee/widow or that his/her father/mother would have > > such> > > > an> > > > > experience (provided other combinations also support the same) > > or> > > > that> > > > > he/she will marry more than once.> > > > >> > > > > If Saturn is in 7th the native will not get a proper > > wife/husband> > > –> > > > > at least as per society norms. Even if he/she gets a good> > > > wife/husband> > > > > (means there is a possibility that he/she may get a good> > > > wife/husband)> > > > > he/she (i.e. wife/husband) may have some disease, or may not > > live> > > > long.> > > > > This result too should not be predicted if Saturn is exalted > > or in> > > > own> > > > > house.> > > > >> > > > > If Saturn is in 7th, or if 7th house is aspected by Saturn, > > then> > > > there> > > > > is a chance that the native may have diseases related to > > Pancreas,> > > > > Liver, Buttocks (Fistula, skin troubles or venereal diseases) > > or> > > > Sugar.> > > > >> > > > > If Saturn is in 7th in a women's horoscope, she may not have> > > > > children or may have some disease or problems related to > > Ultras or> > > > > Hip/Naval area. If Saturn is present in 7th in a girl's > > horoscope,> > > > > the chance of marriage getting delayed or getting a husband > > with> > > > much> > > > > age difference is high, even if Saturn is in its own house or> > > > exalted.> > > > >> > > > > Any way in which sign Saturn is, in the dasa of Saturn it is > > sure> > > > to> > > > > give family problems; but this result shouldn't be told if> > > > > Saturn's dasa is not happening. If Saturn is in 7th from Virgo> > > > lagna> > > > > in Pisces, aspected by malefics, then for sure lose of wife > > (death> > > > of> > > > > wife or divorce) is certain – provided the dasa of Saturn also> > > > > occurs.> > > > > Since the current discussion is based on Aries Lagna with > > Saturn> > > > in 7th,> > > > > a special reading regarding Aries lagna is given below.> > > > > If Saturn is in 7th for Aries lagna, then the native will have > > a> > > > serious> > > > > attitude towards everything; will make the native behave in a> > > > mature> > > > > manner. He would be dedicated in work, will have enough wealth,> > > > and will> > > > > love his wife. If Venus or Mars is present with Saturn then the> > > > sexual> > > > > urge of the native would be high, and especially in the case of> > > > males> > > > > this can cause extra material affairs. If Sun or Rahu is > > present> > > > then> > > > > during the dasa of Sun or Rahu the native may suffer separation> > > > from> > > > > wife. But this result shouldn't be told if there is an exchange> > > > > between 5th and 7th lords, and the native will have a love> > > > marriage and> > > > > would be much dedicated towards his wife. He will have happy> > > > married> > > > > life, with wife children, good house, enough reputation and> > > > wealth. In> > > > > the dasa of Saturn the native will indulge in new and creative> > > > > activities trying to improve his own position, repute and > > power.> > > > This> > > > > gives Sasa Yoga (one among the 5 Maha purusha yogas) and gives > > all> > > > good> > > > > results related to the same. It should be noted that, 7th lord> > > > indicates> > > > > the wife, and also that exalted Saturn in 7th imparts his> > > > beneficial> > > > > qualities to the native's wife. Thus if 7th lord is strong and > > well> > > > > placed, (for Venus 12th is good placement for any lagna), the> > > > native> > > > > will live a happy and healthy life along with his wife – but> > > still> > > > > the un-satisfaction in sexual life etc certainly applies to > > this> > > > case> > > > > – because his wife will have a cold attitude towards the same;> > > > where> > > > > as the native will have high sexual urge (a quality of Aries> > > > lagna). But> > > > > if Venus, the 7th lord is debilitated, then things may go > > upside> > > > down> > > > > with the native indulging in all kinds of mean business and > > deeds> > > > (with> > > > > can turn profitable as well, if other planetary positions > > support> > > > the> > > > > same), his wife not getting enough attention.> > > > > ==========================> > > > >> > > > > Please note the following points -> > > > > * The expected output of the discussion is - by the end of > > this> > > > > discussion we should be able to say, in 7th what results Saturn> > > > will> > > > > give if that 7th happened to be any of the 12 signs, and also > > what> > > > would> > > > > be the effects if conjunction with other planets in 7th is > > present> > > > for> > > > > Saturn.> > > > > * At the end of the discussion, I will suggest another round of> > > > > experimenting with the derived results by the use of "Blind> > > > charts with> > > > > Saturn in 7th house", and the participants who enriched their> > > > > understanding about "Saturn in 7th house" should then > > participate> > > > in the> > > > > quiz to predict the possible result - and the later the facts> > > > should be> > > > > revealed for everyone to check. I request Renu ji, Neelam ji,> > > > Sunil ji> > > > > etc to keep some charts ready for this later round - now> > > > itself. Let> > > > > us learn through experience and experimenting.> > > > > * I request all "Not To Use any VARGAS (Divisions)" ; so > > that> > > > the> > > > > trick of "explaining away anything" played by some can be > > avoided.> > > > > * Facts are facts and if derivations fail; they fail we > > will> > > > accept> > > > > and will modify the rules to reflect the reality - WITHOUT > > USING> > > > EXTRA> > > > > PARAMETERS. This is the path we need to follow.> > > > > Regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > , "neelam gupta"> > > > > <neelamgupta07@> wrote:> > > > > Re: Re: sani in 7th house> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > Kiranji has rightly pointed out the malefic effects of saturn:> > > > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in > > marriage,> > > > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband > > treating> > > > her> > > > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > > > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is > > not> > > > good> > > > > looking and strong.> > > > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the > > 4th> > > > house,> > > > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real > > estate/vehicles> > > > etc -> > > > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even > > if he> > > > does> > > > > he will not enjoy the same.> > > > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the > > 9th> > > > house,> > > > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not> > > > believe in> > > > > God and consequently less punya.> > > > >> > > > > However, I beg to differ with her specific results> > > > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause> > > > the bad> > > > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give > > good> > > > > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > > > >> > > > > If its well placed e.g in exaltation/own house/friend's house > > in> > > > 7H it> > > > > will boost the effects of 7H and give good, stable marriage > > may be> > > > a bit> > > > > late as shani represents delay, good partners, trade etc. The> > > > native> > > > > will project a good image to others.> > > > > But to derive the results for other houses (1,4 & 9), we have > > to> > > > go by> > > > > lagna:> > > > > an exalted saturn in 7H means aries lagna. It will have an > > inimical> > > > > aspect on lagna hence it will not benefit lagna.> > > > > It will have an inimical aspect on 4H of cancer, hence may > > cause> > > > harm to> > > > > mother, property etc. and may push the native out of his birth> > > > place.> > > > > It will similarly have a retarding effect on luck and may not > > be> > > > very> > > > > good for father.> > > > > On the other hand say for tula lagna, saturn in 7H is > > debilitated> > > > and> > > > > thus would not be good for 7H affairs but its aspect on lagna > > on> > > > tula> > > > > sign will be benefic and will enhance the house effects, > > similarly> > > > it> > > > > will aspect his own capricorn rashi in 10H and will be very > > good> > > > for 4H> > > > > affairs. It will also throw a friendly aspect to gemini in 9H > > and> > > > hence> > > > > will be good for 9H affairs.> > > > > We can derive similar results for all the lagnas.> > > > > Regards> > > > > Neelam> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > On 19/01/2008, Kiran R kiran.rama@> > > > > <../../../../post?postID=P767P6WYrOKRqDLo-> > > > Nqbo_BDHHHNbw2vM3gcBffOndZc2Ze\> > > > > JRsHjHmgnHQRCOJmLlISfM1IPcr-bmUd2Ba-HORw> > wrote:> > > > > Sreenadhji,> > > > >> > > > > here is my analysis with exceptions outlined:> > > > >> > > > > Saturn in 7th house can give following results:> > > > > 1) As natural malefic in 7th house, it can bring delay in > > marriage,> > > > > marital grief, separation from husband, if wife husband > > treating> > > > her> > > > > like slave, grief, unfulfilled desires from marriage etc> > > > > 2) By malefic aspect of lagna, it can indicate a person who is > > not> > > > good> > > > > looking and strong.> > > > > 3) by malefic aspect of the 10th house from him which is the > > 4th> > > > house,> > > > > Saturn can cause problems in wealth through real > > estate/vehicles> > > > etc -> > > > > meaning native may not own his own house or vehicle and even > > if he> > > > does> > > > > he will not enjoy the same.> > > > > 4) by malefic aspect of the 3rd house from him, which is the > > 9th> > > > house,> > > > > Saturn will cause a person who is not spiritual and does not> > > > believe in> > > > > God and consequently less punya.> > > > >> > > > > Now what are the exceptions:> > > > > 1) Saturn in his sign of exaltation in 7th house will not cause> > > > the bad> > > > > results above. IF saturn is exalted in 7th house, he will give > > good> > > > > spouse, good wealth and good punya.> > > > > 2) If Saturn is in his own house in 7th house, then good> > > > spouse/married> > > > > life is given. But the quantity and quality is less than 1) > > which> > > > is in> > > > > exaltation> > > > > 3) If Saturn is in friend's house in 7th house then he will not> > > > harm the> > > > > 7th house and married life is fine. But still he will malefic> > > > aspect the> > > > > 4th, lagna and 9th houses causing loss of wealth and > > spirituality.> > > > > Indications are that he will marry a colleague and will not be > > good> > > > > looking> > > > > 4) If Saturn is in his sign of debilitation in 7th house, rest> > > > assured> > > > > extreme results with no marriage, or divorce> > > > > 5) If Saturn is in his enemy house same result as 4) but to a> > > > lesser> > > > > degree> > > > >> > > > > Another exception is when Saturn is lord of 2 sustanas - e.g:> > > > Saturn for> > > > > Capricorn Lagna is lord of 1st and 2nd (lagna lord and wealth> > > > lord). For> > > > > such a person Saturn in 7th house will mean very good as 1st > > and> > > > 2nd> > > > > lord is going to sustana.> > > > >> > > > > I request learned Sreenadhji, Sreeramji, Sunilji, > > Chandrashekarji> > > > to> > > > > confirm my analysis.> > > > >> > > > > regards> > > > > kiran> > > > >> > > > > Now Saturn is a malefic in the 7H. As a malefic in the 7H he > > will> > > > > destroy the good things of 7H meaning he will add his colour to> > > > the 7H.> > > > >> > > > > Why delay in marriage/marital grief from Saturn in 7th?> > > > >> > > > > Saturn represents delay, suffering, grief, sorrow, servant > > etc: and> > > > > Saturn in the 7H can cause delay in marriage, evil spouse, > > grief> > > > from> > > > > spouse, unfulfilled desires etc.> > > > >> > > > > Why problems in real estate/wealth from Saturn in 7th?> > > > > Now let us see the other statements: Saturn in 7H will aspect > > the> > > > lagna> > > > > (7th from 7th), 4th house stands for house, land, maternal > > uncle,> > > > real> > > > > estate. So by malefic aspect, Saturn in 7th will cause > > problems of> > > > > wealth> > > > >> > > > > Why present himself ungly and sinful with mean acts?> > > > > Saturn in 7H will malefic aspect the 10th house. 10th house > > stands> > > > for> > > > > occupation/professi on, honour, conduct, quality of life in > > society> > > > >> > > > > SO the learned sages were correct, mehtaji> > > > >> > > > > Sreenadh < sreesog@> > > > > <../../../../post?> > > > postID=Z_RG1gaxZbRl7yKlthGvQPlsmXs1upj0TjKJsDqfq5Rs1dz\> > > > > AaEHJ7yM1M8L5nsaRx42nKrVl65o> > wrote:> > > > > Dear All,> > > > > This Saturn in 7th is dragging us long! Is it that no body> > > > sure what> > > > > to be attributed to Saturn in 7th?!! I request learned members> > > > like> > > > > Sunil ji to come-up with a clear reading and finish of this > > long> > > > thread> > > > > for short! OK. Even though out of context regarding our > > current> > > > > location (i.e. 2n lord in various houses); let us elaborate the> > > > various> > > > > possible results of Saturn in 7th and let us come to some > > tangible> > > > and> > > > > solid RESULTS. I will post my reading on the same in the next> > > > mail.> > > > > It is unnecessary bringing in the Ucha/Neecha/Yaga karaka > > and> > > > > numerous other things + the say too much but mean nothing words> > > > like> > > > > good/bad/beneficial/malefic/benefic etc. So My question is - > > What> > > > is the> > > > > RESULTS to be attributed to Saturn in 7th? Be clear in your> > > > answers> > > > > and be practical - and for sure we will validate anyone's > > reading> > > > with> > > > > practical chart examples in our collection with the same> > > > combination.> > > > > So let us proceed and try to make this discussion on Saturn in> > > > 7th, more> > > > > valuable and creative.> > > > > And please note -> > > > > * NO out of context mentioning of divisions, > > naskshatras,> > > > > karakamsas and so on.> > > > > * Be right on on the point - Saturn in 7th (any > > house); at> > > > the> > > > > most we are only free to mention the exceptions regarding > > ownhouse,> > > > > exaltation, debilitation etc (if any). * Speak > > about the> > > > > RESULTS, and AVOID using the vague words such as good, bad etc> > > > > * AVOID jugglery of words - and be clear on what you > > know> > > > and what> > > > > you don't; what you trust and what you not.> > > > > * Check all your books, but don't be bothered by > > them; if> > > > the> > > > > CLEAR results spoken by you matches with the chart collection > > and> > > > > actual experience they would be accpeted; and if not what ever> > > > names or> > > > > books you quote - that would be rejected.> > > > > So the ground is ready, rules clear - let us march! > > > > Find the> > > > > thief and hang him, for all to view! > > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. 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