Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Hi, I am looking for any info or sources anyone might have on The four Stellar Chieftains. I have been doing work with these and interested to know others view. Royal stars were recognized around 3000BC and were used as marker of the seasons, the equinoxes and the solstices. However due to Procession of Equinoxes, their prominence has shifted as seasonal markers. The four Stellar Chieftains or Persian Royal Stars, are the Watchers and the Guardians of sky, these are thought to be: East: Aldebaran, eye of the constellation Taurus. It was associated with vernal equinox. South: Regulus, in constellation Leo. It was associated with summer solstice. West: Antares, in constellation Scorpio, and heel of the Serpent Bearer (Ophiuchus). It was associated with autumnal equinox. North: Fomalhaut, in the stream of the Water Bearer (Aquarius) constellations, and in the head of the Southern Fish (Pisces Australis). It was associated with winter solstice. What do you consider to be the 4 chieftain stars now? Thanks. Regards, Nabarz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Can you please give the Indian equivalents? Kishore patnaik On Feb 2, 2008 4:59 PM, Nabarz <nabarz wrote: Hi, I am looking for any info or sources anyone might have on The four Stellar Chieftains. I have been doing work with these and interested to know others view. Royal stars were recognized around 3000BC and were used as marker of the seasons, the equinoxes and the solstices. However due to Procession of Equinoxes, their prominence has shifted as seasonal markers. The four Stellar Chieftains or Persian Royal Stars, are the Watchers and the Guardians of sky, these are thought to be: East: Aldebaran, eye of the constellation Taurus. It was associated with vernal equinox. South: Regulus, in constellation Leo. It was associated with summer solstice. West: Antares, in constellation Scorpio, and heel of the Serpent Bearer (Ophiuchus). It was associated with autumnal equinox. North: Fomalhaut, in the stream of the Water Bearer (Aquarius) constellations, and in the head of the Southern Fish (Pisces Australis). It was associated with winter solstice. What do you consider to be the 4 chieftain stars now? Thanks. Regards, Nabarz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dear Nabarz, In Indian ancient tradition , we continue to follow sidereal ZODIAC WHICH IS divided in 27 NAKSHATRAS. ALDEBARAN 3 IS REFEREED TO AS 'Rohini',Regulus 14 as 'Magha' etc.These are the reference stars of respective Nakshatra each having a arc of 13deg 20' . The prominent stars mentioned by you are still referred for predictive purposes, and they are not only important for the reason , because of their proximity with Equinoxes and Solstices in past era. MANY PROMINENT LORE'S ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THESE CONSTELLATIONS. It is believed that these constellations were in use since ancient times and zodiacal sings are comparatively later development. The first point of sidereal zodiac is considered opposite to Star Spica 16. Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Nabarz <nabarz Sent: Saturday, 2 February, 2008 4:59:54 PM The four Stellar Chieftains Hi,I am looking for any info or sources anyone might have on The fourStellar Chieftains. I have been doing work with these and interestedto know others view.Royal stars were recognized around 3000BC and were used as marker ofthe seasons, the equinoxes and the solstices. However due toProcession of Equinoxes, their prominence has shifted as seasonalmarkers. The four Stellar Chieftains or Persian Royal Stars, are the Watchersand the Guardians of sky, these are thought to be: East: Aldebaran, eye of the constellation Taurus. It was associatedwith vernal equinox. South: Regulus, in constellation Leo. It was associated with summersolstice. West: Antares, in constellation Scorpio, and heel of the SerpentBearer (Ophiuchus). It was associated with autumnal equinox.North: Fomalhaut, in the stream of the Water Bearer (Aquarius)constellations, and in the head of the Southern Fish (PiscesAustralis). It was associated with winter solstice. What do you consider to be the 4 chieftain stars now?Thanks.Regards,Nabarz Messenger blocked? Want to chat? Here is the solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 , " kishore patnaik " <kishorepatnaik09 wrote: > > Can you please give the Indian equivalents? > Namaste, sorry don't know which ones that would be. They are also in Bible as the 4 Cherubims if that helps. Thanks. Regards, Nabarz http://www.myspace.com/nabarz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dear GK Goel, Many thanks for the info. Regards, Nabarz http://www.myspace.com/nabarz , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Dear Nabarz, > In Indian ancient tradition , we continue to follow sidereal ZODIAC WHICH IS divided in 27 NAKSHATRAS. > ALDEBARAN 3 IS REFEREED TO AS 'Rohini',Regulus 14 as 'Magha' etc.These are the reference stars of respective Nakshatra each having a arc of 13deg 20' . > The prominent stars mentioned by you are still referred for predictive purposes, and they are not only important for the reason , because of > their proximity with Equinoxes and Solstices in past era. MANY PROMINENT LORE'S ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THESE CONSTELLATIONS. > It is believed that these constellations were in use since ancient times and zodiacal sings are comparatively later development. > The first point of sidereal zodiac is considered opposite to Star Spica 16. > Regards, > > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > Nabarz <nabarz > > Saturday, 2 February, 2008 4:59:54 PM > The four Stellar Chieftains > > > Hi, > > I am looking for any info or sources anyone might have on The four > Stellar Chieftains. I have been doing work with these and interested > to know others view. > > Royal stars were recognized around 3000BC and were used as marker of > the seasons, the equinoxes and the solstices. However due to > Procession of Equinoxes, their prominence has shifted as seasonal > markers. > > The four Stellar Chieftains or Persian Royal Stars, are the Watchers > and the Guardians of sky, these are thought to be: > East: Aldebaran, eye of the constellation Taurus. It was associated > with vernal equinox. > South: Regulus, in constellation Leo. It was associated with summer > solstice. > West: Antares, in constellation Scorpio, and heel of the Serpent > Bearer (Ophiuchus). It was associated with autumnal equinox. > North: Fomalhaut, in the stream of the Water Bearer (Aquarius) > constellations, and in the head of the Southern Fish (Pisces > Australis). It was associated with winter solstice. > > What do you consider to be the 4 chieftain stars now? > > Thanks.. > > Regards, > Nabarz > > > > > > Messenger blocked? Want to chat? Go to http://in.messenger./webmessengerpromo.php > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dear Nabarz ji, The systems differ. In India -' Stars' where never considered as cardinal points or may be not even as pointers to cardinal points. All references are to Nakshatras (fixed areas in sky, used as the reference from to note the movement of planets). The prominent stars (Yoga taras as per indian terminology) are used just to refer to these areas. Earlier the indian traditional scriptures like the Vedic texts, followed tropical astrology/astronomy considering the equinoxes and solstices. A look at the resources available indicates that - * From the name Moola (meaning, 'the root'; Prominent star is Lamda scorpi) and Jyeshta (the eldest) given to two Nakshtras (stellar region) in Scorpio, some imagine that there was a time when in India the year started from Jyeshta, and argue that Vernal equinox was here at some ancient past, and they argue that even that much antiquity is remembered in Indian tradition - but cannot be substantiated enough with enough ancient data and references. * The system of year starting from Magha Nakshatra (Prominant star Regulus) in Leo was also known. This is identifiable from the name 'Magha' (the great one). May be as a memory of the ancient period when Vernal equinox was in Leo - but here too enough supportive material does not seem to be available. * At some point of time Mrigasirsha Nakshatra (Prominent stars λ, φ Orionis) was considered as the beginning of the year. This is identifiable from the name 'Agrahayani' (the one that comes first) given to Mrigasirsha Nakshatra in ancient scriptures. This points to the fact that Vernal equinox was here at that time, since the tropical year starts from vernal equinox. The known antiquity of Indian vedic tradition and this naming matches well. * Then at some point of time Rohini (prominent star Aldebaran) in Taurus became the location Vernal equinox. And it could be time when the Nakshatra Rohini got the name Prajapati (creator of seasons) * Then vernal equinox came to Krittika nakshatra and the there are many vedic lists of Nakshatras that lists Nakshatras from Krittika onwards. This must be by the end of the Vedic period. * Then vernal equinox moved to Aswini nakshatra and possibly the Nakshatra listings changed to accommodate this and the new lists starts from Aswini nakshatra. * But now the vernal equinox is in Uttra Bhadrapada (prominent star α Andromedae). But the point to be noted is that this system of using Tropical/Sayana astrology is no more popular in India, as far as astrology (which deals with influence of time on human destiny); even though in season determination, tropical calendar calculations, and in determining the time of many festivals the cardinal points and the seasons generated based on them is given maximum importance. This being an astrology group that deals with ancient indian astrology - the preference of this group would be to 'Fixed Zodiac', the starting point of which is always Aswini Nakshatra (due to the mathematical concept that at the beginning of every Yuga, all the planets meet at the starting point of Aswini Nakshatra) - and thus the system gives least importance to cardinal points as far as astrological predictions are concerned. Hope this helps. Love and regards, Sreenadh , "Nabarz" <nabarz wrote:>> > Hi,> > I am looking for any info or sources anyone might have on The four> Stellar Chieftains. I have been doing work with these and interested> to know others view.> > Royal stars were recognized around 3000BC and were used as marker of> the seasons, the equinoxes and the solstices. However due to> Procession of Equinoxes, their prominence has shifted as seasonal> markers. > > The four Stellar Chieftains or Persian Royal Stars, are the Watchers> and the Guardians of sky, these are thought to be: > East: Aldebaran, eye of the constellation Taurus. It was associated> with vernal equinox. > South: Regulus, in constellation Leo. It was associated with summer> solstice. > West: Antares, in constellation Scorpio, and heel of the Serpent> Bearer (Ophiuchus). It was associated with autumnal equinox.> North: Fomalhaut, in the stream of the Water Bearer (Aquarius)> constellations, and in the head of the Southern Fish (Pisces> Australis). It was associated with winter solstice. > > What do you consider to be the 4 chieftain stars now?> > Thanks.> > Regards,> Nabarz> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2008 Report Share Posted February 2, 2008 Dear Kishore ji and Nabarz ji, May be this link would be helpful to you both while refering to Indian and western names of stars or nakshatras: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakshatra Love and regards, Sreenadh , " Nabarz " <nabarz wrote: > > , " kishore patnaik " > <kishorepatnaik09@> wrote: > > > > Can you please give the Indian equivalents? > > > > Namaste, > > sorry don't know which ones that would be. > > They are also in Bible as the 4 Cherubims if that helps. > > Thanks. > > Regards, > Nabarz > http://www.myspace.com/nabarz > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Dear Sreenadh, Namaste. Many thanks for the response. Regards, Nabarz , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Nabarz ji, > The systems differ. In India -' Stars' where never considered as > cardinal points or may be not even as pointers to cardinal points. All > references are to Nakshatras (fixed areas in sky, used as the reference > from to note the movement of planets). The prominent stars (Yoga taras > as per indian terminology) are used just to refer to these areas. > Earlier the indian traditional scriptures like the Vedic texts, > followed tropical astrology/astronomy considering the equinoxes and > solstices. A look at the resources available indicates that - > * From the name Moola (meaning, 'the root'; Prominent star is Lamda > scorpi) and Jyeshta (the eldest) given to two Nakshtras (stellar > region) in Scorpio, some imagine that there was a time when in India the > year started from Jyeshta, and argue that Vernal equinox was here at > some ancient past, and they argue that even that much antiquity is > remembered in Indian tradition - but cannot be substantiated enough with > enough ancient data and references. > * The system of year starting from Magha Nakshatra (Prominant star > Regulus) in Leo was also known. This is identifiable from the name > 'Magha' (the great one). May be as a memory of the ancient period when > Vernal equinox was in Leo - but here too enough supportive material does > not seem to be available. > * At some point of time Mrigasirsha Nakshatra (Prominent stars > λ, φ Orionis) was considered as the beginning of the year. > This is identifiable from the name 'Agrahayani' (the one that comes > first) given to Mrigasirsha Nakshatra in ancient scriptures. This > points to the fact that Vernal equinox was here at that time, since the > tropical year starts from vernal equinox. The known antiquity of Indian > vedic tradition and this naming matches well. > * Then at some point of time Rohini (prominent star Aldebaran) in > Taurus became the location Vernal equinox. And it could be time when the > Nakshatra Rohini got the name Prajapati (creator of seasons) > * Then vernal equinox came to Krittika nakshatra and the there are > many vedic lists of Nakshatras that lists Nakshatras from Krittika > onwards. This must be by the end of the Vedic period. > * Then vernal equinox moved to Aswini nakshatra and possibly the > Nakshatra listings changed to accommodate this and the new lists starts > from Aswini nakshatra. > * But now the vernal equinox is in Uttra Bhadrapada (prominent star > α Andromedae). > But the point to be noted is that this system of using Tropical/Sayana > astrology is no more popular in India, as far as astrology (which deals > with influence of time on human destiny); even though in season > determination, tropical calendar calculations, and in determining the > time of many festivals the cardinal points and the seasons generated > based on them is given maximum importance. This being an astrology group > that deals with ancient indian astrology - the preference of this group > would be to 'Fixed Zodiac', the starting point of which is always Aswini > Nakshatra (due to the mathematical concept that at the beginning of > every Yuga, all the planets meet at the starting point of Aswini > Nakshatra) - and thus the system gives least importance to cardinal > points as far as astrological predictions are concerned. > Hope this helps. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " Nabarz " <nabarz@> > wrote: > > > > > > Hi, > > > > I am looking for any info or sources anyone might have on The four > > Stellar Chieftains. I have been doing work with these and interested > > to know others view. > > > > Royal stars were recognized around 3000BC and were used as marker of > > the seasons, the equinoxes and the solstices. However due to > > Procession of Equinoxes, their prominence has shifted as seasonal > > markers. > > > > The four Stellar Chieftains or Persian Royal Stars, are the Watchers > > and the Guardians of sky, these are thought to be: > > East: Aldebaran, eye of the constellation Taurus. It was associated > > with vernal equinox. > > South: Regulus, in constellation Leo. It was associated with summer > > solstice. > > West: Antares, in constellation Scorpio, and heel of the Serpent > > Bearer (Ophiuchus). It was associated with autumnal equinox. > > North: Fomalhaut, in the stream of the Water Bearer (Aquarius) > > constellations, and in the head of the Southern Fish (Pisces > > Australis). It was associated with winter solstice. > > > > What do you consider to be the 4 chieftain stars now? > > > > Thanks. > > > > Regards, > > Nabarz > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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