unexplained secrets : not focused in texts, nor taught well, left to chance

February 5, 2008

1. transit rules, how to apply/modify from lagna,sun,navamsa etc

the texts talk of transit position from moon alongwith vedha;

why not transits from indian sun signs for relative compatability,

would the rasi/yogakaraka positions etc not change/impact.

2. bhava phalas/how to apply for nirayana chalita bhavas,whether

both apply, the bhava changes for a planet, whether to read transits

from the lagna kundali moon/chalit kundali moon, difference between

chalit/nirayana chalit and how to utilise these/when, implications for

house results in dasas, drishti, etc

3. whether to read planets in houses from navamsa or see the planets

as navamsa tulya rashis in the lagna chart, then several texts say

planets in navamsa/dasamsa etc should not be in 6/8/12 from the amsa

lagna

4. the latitudes/longitudes considered by various computers vary,

leading to a step difference at times and leading to confusion which

is the correct one, which software uses the geographically the most

accurate lat/long, this has an impact for the kp sub-lords, why not

stadndardise taking the accurate one only and banning the others.

Although computer softwares have made the job easy, at times it is

recommended that manual horoscopes are more reliable as all local

astronomical factors/calculations-nuances cannot be exactly captured

into a software programme. A difference is found in the

calulations/rasis/placements as per local panchang and the

computerised horoscope creating a doubt, both claiming correctness.

5 whether the kp system has any origins in the classical texts,

dividing a nakshatra into 9 divisions, we have navamsa of 9 divisions

of a rasi

6. if vimshottari dasa is the appropriate one why did parasar muni at

all mention about all the other dasa systems and details on their

applications, why not computer horoscopes give dasa details/other

options as applicable to the particular chart and approved by the

classics for ready reference and check. would astottari dasa paddhati

be really applicable in gujarat/saurashtra region as followed.

7. how about modifying a horoscope to suit the current place of stay,

why not horoscope services automatically factor it and provide data

and analysis accordingly

8. most astrologers rattle off readings the moment they see a

horoscope which may be a sign of proficiency, most of the time the

readings do not come out correct, and they do not bother introspecting

the causes or taking inputs from the individual concerned - why not

give in writing and refund if absolutely incorrect, taking

responsibility for the profession/fee charged creating inbuilt

accountability and high standards for the profession.

Dr Ravi Rao at ahmedabad was precisely correct in his observations

when he mentioned things will improve as jupiter moves ahead in the

tula lagna, but will not be exactly doing a job,in a consultant mode,

and earnings lost may be recovered/improve to a good level as days

pass by - which proved very true during 2006-2007.

9. while rotating a chart, will the 6/8/12 bhavas become relatively

auspicious

10.do pitru dosha, shrapit dosha, deva dosha,najar dosha, have any

sort of classic approval, and the remedies and amounts/energies spent

worth or capable of overcoming the malady, what alternative approaches

are available or justified/sufficient - my experience is the

amount/efforts are beyond a common individual's means and have not

yielded results, yet there seems to be a need to do something that

sooths/overcomes/helps out effectively without causing

anxiety/fear/burden

11. which house to consider for knowing job prospects - 6th or 10th,

mercury or saturn or sun as karaka

12. jain jyotish how does it differ, what are the merits,

my dob is 6th jan 1956, 2.00 am, tenali/andhra, at ahmedabad since

1995, came to bhavnagar/gujarat soon after birth in 1956 : lost job on

25th dec, worried when next job or means of living for the

future/family responsibilities - son studying, daughter to be married,

no house yet :

had no job feb'02 to dec'05 - almost no astrologer could predict such

a long break or when would the next employment exactly start as per

the reknowned dasa systems - why?, while huge sums were spent trying

to overcome the malefic effects - dana,distance temple visits,

astrology fees,etc - a proper diagnosis and remedial course of action

can help take some personal decisions and live accordingly without

false hopes or wasteful actions.

passing through saturn-rahu dasa, jupiter over saturn/saturn over

jupiter phase is over with temporary benefit and raise followed by

immediate fall again. will things rise again soon enough and be on

rails/how soon-when-where-how? if anybody could attempt to pinpoint

and try to help out. saturn-rahu-mars in 2nd house, saturn

yogakaraka,dhanesh/panchamesh yoga, panchamesh-saptamesh kendra yoga,

rahu at a distance from sani-mangal; whether any shrapit/pitru dosh

formed; whether sani-rahu-sukra dasa will really help out, saturn

vakri in transit, ketu over jupiter, jupiter third from the moon, rahu

5th house.

moon in chitra-2/virgo/12th house as per andhra panchangas, in chitra-

3/tula rasi/in lagna as per all the computerised horoscopes; navamsa

variations are kumbha/meena, rahu in navamsa variations are

makara/kumbha. mars in vrischika, but in tula as per tamil nadi

jyotisha, while moon continues to be in tula lagna - any reflections

on this case study.

with regards/thanks to all readers/astrologers

k shantaram/shantaramkhrd, ahmedabad 4.16am/6th feb 2008

February 6, 2008

Dear shantaram ji, Please reads the comments below - ==>> 1. transit rules, how to apply/modify from lagna,sun,navamsa etc> the texts talk of transit position from moon alongwith vedha;> why not transits from indian sun signs for relative compatability,> would the rasi/yogakaraka positions etc not change/impact.<== Hope you have read the ancient texts and noticed the name of this group; it reads "Ancient Indian Astrology"; anything out of context and not mentioned in classics we are NOT interested in.==>> 2. bhava phalas/how to apply for nirayana chalita bhavas,whether > both apply, the bhava changes for a planet, whether to read transits > from the lagna kundali moon/chalit kundali moon, difference between > chalit/nirayana chalit and how to utilise these/when, implications for > house results in dasas, drishti, etc<== What do you want to say - or just simply utterly confused?!!! Transit (Gochara) means movement of planets - it is ALWAYS with reference to the natal chart (means chart at birth time) - guidance on how to interpret it is amply available in texts. Further there is NO NEED to learn special techniques to interpret Transit - if one knows Natal astrology well. Yes, I know that you will understand this statement ONLY IF you are a practical astrologer. ==>> 3. whether to read planets in houses from navamsa or see the planets > as navamsa tulya rashis in the lagna chart, then several texts say > planets in navamsa/dasamsa etc should not be in 6/8/12 from the amsa > lagna<== Navamsa Tulya Rasi and Rasi Tulya Navamsa all are important in their own context. But know that Navamsa is a more vast subject and know that it is is the same 7-fold method that is used to interpret natal chart that applies to divisions as well. As far as the group is concerned - we have just touched the tip of the iceberg by starting to discuss "Sun in own Navamsa"; and as far as the discussion related to the same is concerned both Navamsa Tuly Rasi and Rasi Tulya Navamsa is irrelevent - because here we are NOT mentioning neither the location of the Lagna nor the position of Sun in Natal chart. If you don't understand this, and find yourself in abyss - that is your problem. ==> 4. the latitudes/longitudes considered by various computers vary, > leading to a step difference at times and leading to confusion which > is the correct one, which software uses the geographically the most > accurate lat/long, this has an impact for the kp sub-lords, why not > stadndardise taking the accurate one only and banning the others.<== Ofcourse confusion is not the correct one; and with all the sub-lords and numerous other things it is well evident that you are in confusion. We don't plan neither to hang the software venders nor to ban the Ayansamsawalls (in Kaul's terms) - We know that India is a free country and everyone has the right to have their own opinion and beliefs as long as it does not disturb the freedom and life of others. ==>> Although computer softwares have made the job easy, at times it is > recommended that manual horoscopes are more reliable as all local > astronomical factors/calculations-nuances cannot be exactly captured > into a software programme. A difference is found in the > calulations/rasis/placements as per local panchang and the > computerised horoscope creating a doubt, both claiming correctness. <== So what I should do?! Or what the group should do?! Of course you can proceed with your revolt againt the same - all the best in your crusade. ==>> 6. if vimshottari dasa is the appropriate one why did parasar muni at > all mention about all the other dasa systems and details on their > applications, why not computer horoscopes give dasa details/other > options as applicable to the particular chart and approved by the > classics for ready reference and check. would astottari dasa paddhati > be really applicable in gujarat/saurashtra region as followed. <== Ask to the computer horoscopes- oh! sorry to the computer horoscope makers. ==>> 5 whether the kp system has any origins in the classical texts, > dividing a nakshatra into 9 divisions, we have navamsa of 9 divisions > of a rasi<== As we know it (and if you don't know it) - KP system originated from 3 quotes given in Prasnamaraga. After steeling the system, and projecting it as if some new invention - the Gurutwa dosha accumulated is so vast that now the system with its numerous additions has became a waste. :=) Anyway this is my personal opinion - and people may differ. ==>> 7. how about modifying a horoscope to suit the current place of stay, > why not horoscope services automatically factor it and provide data > and analysis accordingly<== There is no horoscope software makers in this group among the active members - find some one and ask them - hope that you may get some answer - provided your comments seems to be of relevence to them. ==>> 8. most astrologers rattle off readings the moment they see a > horoscope which may be a sign of proficiency, most of the time the > readings do not come out correct, and they do not bother introspecting > the causes or taking inputs from the individual concerned - why not > give in writing and refund if absolutely incorrect, taking > responsibility for the profession/fee charged creating inbuilt > accountability and high standards for the profession.<== Again some irrlevent Kaulish statement! Please speak out something useful and valid after thinking - we don't want to waste time after you. It seems that you are simply interested in illogical controversies and came here just to create a fight out of false ego and blind beliefs in some system. Most of the statements - just generates sympathy, and nothing else! Anyway 'Keeping quite for some time and listening' could be a useful medicine. But ater joining on Sep 21, 2007 and reading the Daily digest for so long - why this much lack of understanding about this group - I wonder!==>> Dr Ravi Rao at ahmedabad was precisely correct in his observations > when he mentioned things will improve as jupiter moves ahead in the > tula lagna, but will not be exactly doing a job,in a consultant mode, > and earnings lost may be recovered/improve to a good level as days > pass by - which proved very true during 2006-2007.<== Who is this Ravi Rao? Are you his advertiser? And about what you are speaking about - Natal chart or Transit? About the world or some country like India or something else? (Again seems to be a totally confused person - with that out of context statement!)==>> 9. while rotating a chart, will the 6/8/12 bhavas become relatively > auspicious <== Do we have to rotate it upside-down or downside-up? ==>> 10.do pitru dosha, shrapit dosha, deva dosha,najar dosha, have any > sort of classic approval, and the remedies and amounts/energies spent > worth or capable of overcoming the malady, what alternative approaches > are available or justified/sufficient - my experience is the > amount/efforts are beyond a common individual's means and have not > yielded results, yet there seems to be a need to do something that > sooths/overcomes/helps out effectively without causing > anxiety/fear/burden <== Check the texts man! Are we supposed to give you a crash course now?!!! ==>> 11. which house to consider for knowing job prospects - 6th or 10th,> mercury or saturn or sun as karaka<== Check the discussions and previous messages on Job in this group. All houses can indicate job and all planets - if you are unable to digest it - start learning astrology from the basics again. ==>> my dob is 6th jan 1956, 2.00 am, tenali/andhra, at ahmedabad since > 1995, came to bhavnagar/gujarat soon after birth in 1956 : lost job on > 25th dec, worried when next job or means of living for the > future/family responsibilities - son studying, daughter to be married, > no house yet :> > had no job feb'02 to dec'05 - almost no astrologer could predict such > a long break or when would the next employment exactly start as per > the reknowned dasa systems - why?, while huge sums were spent trying > to overcome the malefic effects - dana,distance temple visits, > astrology fees,etc - a proper diagnosis and remedial course of action > can help take some personal decisions and live accordingly without > false hopes or wasteful actions.> > passing through saturn-rahu dasa, jupiter over saturn/saturn over > jupiter phase is over with temporary benefit and raise followed by > immediate fall again. will things rise again soon enough and be on > rails/how soon-when-where-how? if anybody could attempt to pinpoint > and try to help out. <== Oh! A lengthy story! Please notice that "Free Reading Requests" are NOT appreciated in this group - better consult a professional astrologer and provide him necessary payment and get a reading. :=) Just to present a `free request' such a long and absurd mail was necessary or what – I wonder; and again you believe that the members will waste time on deciphering your chart (for which it is evident that you WON'T be thankful - because of the confuced skeptics mind)! Note: Such a long mail - and what is the knowledge contribution of this mail to the group?!! I wonder!Anyway,Love and regards,Sreenadh , "shantaramkhrd" <shantaramkhrd wrote:>> 1. transit rules, how to apply/modify from lagna,sun,navamsa etc> the texts talk of transit position from moon alongwith vedha;> why not transits from indian sun signs for relative compatability,> would the rasi/yogakaraka positions etc not change/impact.> > 2. bhava phalas/how to apply for nirayana chalita bhavas,whether > both apply, the bhava changes for a planet, whether to read transits > from the lagna kundali moon/chalit kundali moon, difference between > chalit/nirayana chalit and how to utilise these/when, implications for > house results in dasas, drishti, etc> > 3. whether to read planets in houses from navamsa or see the planets > as navamsa tulya rashis in the lagna chart, then several texts say > planets in navamsa/dasamsa etc should not be in 6/8/12 from the amsa > lagna> > 4. the latitudes/longitudes considered by various computers vary, > leading to a step difference at times and leading to confusion which > is the correct one, which software uses the geographically the most > accurate lat/long, this has an impact for the kp sub-lords, why not > stadndardise taking the accurate one only and banning the others.> > Although computer softwares have made the job easy, at times it is > recommended that manual horoscopes are more reliable as all local > astronomical factors/calculations-nuances cannot be exactly captured > into a software programme. A difference is found in the > calulations/rasis/placements as per local panchang and the > computerised horoscope creating a doubt, both claiming correctness. > > 5 whether the kp system has any origins in the classical texts, > dividing a nakshatra into 9 divisions, we have navamsa of 9 divisions > of a rasi> > 6. if vimshottari dasa is the appropriate one why did parasar muni at > all mention about all the other dasa systems and details on their > applications, why not computer horoscopes give dasa details/other > options as applicable to the particular chart and approved by the > classics for ready reference and check. would astottari dasa paddhati > be really applicable in gujarat/saurashtra region as followed. > > 7. how about modifying a horoscope to suit the current place of stay, > why not horoscope services automatically factor it and provide data > and analysis accordingly> > 8. most astrologers rattle off readings the moment they see a > horoscope which may be a sign of proficiency, most of the time the > readings do not come out correct, and they do not bother introspecting > the causes or taking inputs from the individual concerned - why not > give in writing and refund if absolutely incorrect, taking > responsibility for the profession/fee charged creating inbuilt > accountability and high standards for the profession.> > Dr Ravi Rao at ahmedabad was precisely correct in his observations > when he mentioned things will improve as jupiter moves ahead in the > tula lagna, but will not be exactly doing a job,in a consultant mode, > and earnings lost may be recovered/improve to a good level as days > pass by - which proved very true during 2006-2007.> > 9. while rotating a chart, will the 6/8/12 bhavas become relatively > auspicious > > 10.do pitru dosha, shrapit dosha, deva dosha,najar dosha, have any > sort of classic approval, and the remedies and amounts/energies spent > worth or capable of overcoming the malady, what alternative approaches > are available or justified/sufficient - my experience is the > amount/efforts are beyond a common individual's means and have not > yielded results, yet there seems to be a need to do something that > sooths/overcomes/helps out effectively without causing > anxiety/fear/burden > > 11. which house to consider for knowing job prospects - 6th or 10th,> mercury or saturn or sun as karaka> 12. jain jyotish how does it differ, what are the merits, > > my dob is 6th jan 1956, 2.00 am, tenali/andhra, at ahmedabad since > 1995, came to bhavnagar/gujarat soon after birth in 1956 : lost job on > 25th dec, worried when next job or means of living for the > future/family responsibilities - son studying, daughter to be married, > no house yet :> > had no job feb'02 to dec'05 - almost no astrologer could predict such > a long break or when would the next employment exactly start as per > the reknowned dasa systems - why?, while huge sums were spent trying > to overcome the malefic effects - dana,distance temple visits, > astrology fees,etc - a proper diagnosis and remedial course of action > can help take some personal decisions and live accordingly without > false hopes or wasteful actions.> > passing through saturn-rahu dasa, jupiter over saturn/saturn over > jupiter phase is over with temporary benefit and raise followed by > immediate fall again. will things rise again soon enough and be on > rails/how soon-when-where-how? if anybody could attempt to pinpoint > and try to help out. saturn-rahu-mars in 2nd house, saturn > yogakaraka,dhanesh/panchamesh yoga, panchamesh-saptamesh kendra yoga, > rahu at a distance from sani-mangal; whether any shrapit/pitru dosh > formed; whether sani-rahu-sukra dasa will really help out, saturn > vakri in transit, ketu over jupiter, jupiter third from the moon, rahu > 5th house.> > moon in chitra-2/virgo/12th house as per andhra panchangas, in chitra-> 3/tula rasi/in lagna as per all the computerised horoscopes; navamsa > variations are kumbha/meena, rahu in navamsa variations are > makara/kumbha. mars in vrischika, but in tula as per tamil nadi > jyotisha, while moon continues to be in tula lagna - any reflections > on this case study.> > with regards/thanks to all readers/astrologers > > k shantaram/shantaramkhrd, ahmedabad 4.16am/6th feb 2008>

February 13, 2008

Respected Sreenadhji,

thanks indeed to your respected self and the group for attending my

mail, and the painstaking responses to my confusions pointwise - my

sincere apologies, as it seems i have not added value and have

rather aroused a sort of anger towards me by the learned members :

these astrological issues/queires have been bothering me and i

thought one could seek some clarifications from practicing

astrologers from the group clearing the understanding on such type

of doubts,as a process of learning for one and all interested, which

may not exactly available straight from the books always eg transits

from moon/lagna/sun and the modififcation in text book indications

given for the moon, bhava and nirayana bhava and bhava chalita

interpretations,practical application of vimshottari and other

parasari dasas,relating the birth horoscope to the place of stay etc

i have not tried to raise any scholarly debate, am only a basic

reader of astrology books and magazines for quite a number of years,

would feel sorry if my amateur mail has hurt the sentiments of the

learned members of the group - i thought many more persons could be

hoarding such confusions and would generate useful clarifications.

About my current situation, thanks for leaving me to my fate - i was

unemployed earlier for four years and again now, and with some

breaks earlier too - may be i could get some insights from

interested members within the group, and other issues like the

reliability of panchangas/computer horscopes and guidance on what to

follow as a general person getting different inputs on moon sign,

planetary positions, navamsa positions, etc.

With thanks and regards again for sparing the time enough to respond

to my mail of confusions!! although i could not generate much

interest in any of the underlying amateurish issues and thus

bothering the learned group, may be i have rattled off some wild

considerations in my own mind,

yours respectfully/k shantaram

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear shantaram ji,

> Please reads the comments below -

> ==>

> > 1. transit rules, how to apply/modify from lagna,sun,navamsa etc

> > the texts talk of transit position from moon alongwith vedha;

> > why not transits from indian sun signs for relative

compatability,

> > would the rasi/yogakaraka positions etc not change/impact.

> <==

> Hope you have read the ancient texts and noticed the name of

this

> group; it reads " Ancient Indian Astrology " ; anything out of

context and

> not mentioned in classics we are NOT interested in.

> ==>

> > 2. bhava phalas/how to apply for nirayana chalita bhavas,whether

> > both apply, the bhava changes for a planet, whether to read

transits

> > from the lagna kundali moon/chalit kundali moon, difference

between

> > chalit/nirayana chalit and how to utilise these/when,

implications for

> > house results in dasas, drishti, etc

> <==

> What do you want to say - or just simply utterly confused?!!!

Transit

> (Gochara) means movement of planets - it is ALWAYS with reference

to the

> natal chart (means chart at birth time) - guidance on how to

interpret

> it is amply available in texts. Further there is NO NEED to learn

> special techniques to interpret Transit - if one knows Natal

astrology

> well. Yes, I know that you will understand this statement ONLY IF

you

> are a practical astrologer.

> ==>

> > 3. whether to read planets in houses from navamsa or see the

planets

> > as navamsa tulya rashis in the lagna chart, then several texts

say

> > planets in navamsa/dasamsa etc should not be in 6/8/12 from the

amsa

> > lagna

> <==

> Navamsa Tulya Rasi and Rasi Tulya Navamsa all are important in

their

> own context. But know that Navamsa is a more vast subject and

know that

> it is is the same 7-fold method that is used to interpret natal

chart

> that applies to divisions as well. As far as the group is

concerned - we

> have just touched the tip of the iceberg by starting to

discuss " Sun in

> own Navamsa " ; and as far as the discussion related to the same is

> concerned both Navamsa Tuly Rasi and Rasi Tulya Navamsa is

irrelevent -

> because here we are NOT mentioning neither the location of the

Lagna nor

> the position of Sun in Natal chart. If you don't understand this,

and

> find yourself in abyss - that is your problem.

> ==>

> 4. the latitudes/longitudes considered by various computers vary,

> > leading to a step difference at times and leading to confusion

which

> > is the correct one, which software uses the geographically the

most

> > accurate lat/long, this has an impact for the kp sub-lords, why

not

> > stadndardise taking the accurate one only and banning the others.

> <==

> Ofcourse confusion is not the correct one; and with all the sub-

lords

> and numerous other things it is well evident that you are in

confusion.

> We don't plan neither to hang the software venders nor to ban

the

> Ayansamsawalls (in Kaul's terms) - We know that India is a free

country

> and everyone has the right to have their own opinion and beliefs

as long

> as it does not disturb the freedom and life of others.

> ==>

> > Although computer softwares have made the job easy, at times it

is

> > recommended that manual horoscopes are more reliable as all local

> > astronomical factors/calculations-nuances cannot be exactly

captured

> > into a software programme. A difference is found in the

> > calulations/rasis/placements as per local panchang and the

> > computerised horoscope creating a doubt, both claiming

correctness.

> <==

> So what I should do?! Or what the group should do?! Of course

you can

> proceed with your revolt againt the same - all the best in your

crusade.

>

> ==>

> > 6. if vimshottari dasa is the appropriate one why did parasar

muni at

> > all mention about all the other dasa systems and details on their

> > applications, why not computer horoscopes give dasa details/other

> > options as applicable to the particular chart and approved by the

> > classics for ready reference and check. would astottari dasa

paddhati

> > be really applicable in gujarat/saurashtra region as followed.

> <==

> Ask to the computer horoscopes- oh! sorry to the computer

horoscope

> makers.

> ==>

> > 5 whether the kp system has any origins in the classical texts,

> > dividing a nakshatra into 9 divisions, we have navamsa of 9

divisions

> > of a rasi

> <==

> As we know it (and if you don't know it) - KP system originated

from 3

> quotes given in Prasnamaraga. After steeling the system, and

projecting

> it as if some new invention - the Gurutwa dosha accumulated is so

vast

> that now the system with its numerous additions has became a

waste. :=)

> Anyway this is my personal opinion - and people may differ.

> ==>

> > 7. how about modifying a horoscope to suit the current place of

stay,

> > why not horoscope services automatically factor it and provide

data

> > and analysis accordingly

> <==

> There is no horoscope software makers in this group among the

active

> members - find some one and ask them - hope that you may get some

answer

> - provided your comments seems to be of relevence to them.

> ==>

> > 8. most astrologers rattle off readings the moment they see a

> > horoscope which may be a sign of proficiency, most of the time

the

> > readings do not come out correct, and they do not bother

introspecting

> > the causes or taking inputs from the individual concerned - why

not

> > give in writing and refund if absolutely incorrect, taking

> > responsibility for the profession/fee charged creating inbuilt

> > accountability and high standards for the profession.

> <==

> Again some irrlevent Kaulish statement! Please speak out

something

> useful and valid after thinking - we don't want to waste time

after you.

> It seems that you are simply interested in illogical controversies

and

> came here just to create a fight out of false ego and blind

beliefs in

> some system. Most of the statements - just generates sympathy, and

> nothing else! Anyway 'Keeping quite for some time and listening'

could

> be a useful medicine. But ater joining on Sep 21, 2007 and

reading the

> Daily digest for so long - why this much lack of understanding

about

> this group - I wonder!

> ==>

> > Dr Ravi Rao at ahmedabad was precisely correct in his

observations

> > when he mentioned things will improve as jupiter moves ahead in

the

> > tula lagna, but will not be exactly doing a job,in a consultant

mode,

> > and earnings lost may be recovered/improve to a good level as

days

> > pass by - which proved very true during 2006-2007.

> <==

> Who is this Ravi Rao? Are you his advertiser? And about what

you are

> speaking about - Natal chart or Transit? About the world or some

country

> like India or something else? (Again seems to be a totally confused

> person - with that out of context statement!)

> ==>

> > 9. while rotating a chart, will the 6/8/12 bhavas become

relatively

> > auspicious

> <==

> Do we have to rotate it upside-down or downside-up?

> ==>

> > 10.do pitru dosha, shrapit dosha, deva dosha,najar dosha, have

any

> > sort of classic approval, and the remedies and amounts/energies

spent

> > worth or capable of overcoming the malady, what alternative

approaches

> > are available or justified/sufficient - my experience is the

> > amount/efforts are beyond a common individual's means and have

not

> > yielded results, yet there seems to be a need to do something

that

> > sooths/overcomes/helps out effectively without causing

> > anxiety/fear/burden

> <==

> Check the texts man! Are we supposed to give you a crash course

> now?!!!

> ==>

> > 11. which house to consider for knowing job prospects - 6th or

10th,

> > mercury or saturn or sun as karaka

> <==

> Check the discussions and previous messages on Job in this

group. All

> houses can indicate job and all planets - if you are unable to

digest it

> - start learning astrology from the basics again.

> ==>

> > my dob is 6th jan 1956, 2.00 am, tenali/andhra, at ahmedabad

since

> > 1995, came to bhavnagar/gujarat soon after birth in 1956 : lost

job on

> > 25th dec, worried when next job or means of living for the

> > future/family responsibilities - son studying, daughter to be

married,

> > no house yet :

> >

> > had no job feb'02 to dec'05 - almost no astrologer could predict

such

> > a long break or when would the next employment exactly start as

per

> > the reknowned dasa systems - why?, while huge sums were spent

trying

> > to overcome the malefic effects - dana,distance temple visits,

> > astrology fees,etc - a proper diagnosis and remedial course of

action

> > can help take some personal decisions and live accordingly

without

> > false hopes or wasteful actions.

> >

> > passing through saturn-rahu dasa, jupiter over saturn/saturn over

> > jupiter phase is over with temporary benefit and raise followed

by

> > immediate fall again. will things rise again soon enough and be

on

> > rails/how soon-when-where-how? if anybody could attempt to

pinpoint

> > and try to help out.

> <==

> Oh! A lengthy story! Please notice that " Free Reading Requests "

are

> NOT appreciated in this group - better consult a professional

astrologer

> and provide him necessary payment and get a reading. :=) Just to

> present a `free request' such a long and absurd mail was

> necessary or what – I wonder; and again you believe that the

members

> will waste time on deciphering your chart (for which it is evident

that

> you WON'T be thankful - because of the confuced skeptics mind)!

>

> Note: Such a long mail - and what is the knowledge contribution

of

> this mail to the group?!! I wonder!

> Anyway,

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " shantaramkhrd "

> <shantaramkhrd@> wrote:

> >

> > 1. transit rules, how to apply/modify from lagna,sun,navamsa etc

> > the texts talk of transit position from moon alongwith vedha;

> > why not transits from indian sun signs for relative

compatability,

> > would the rasi/yogakaraka positions etc not change/impact.

> >

> > 2. bhava phalas/how to apply for nirayana chalita bhavas,whether

> > both apply, the bhava changes for a planet, whether to read

transits

> > from the lagna kundali moon/chalit kundali moon, difference

between

> > chalit/nirayana chalit and how to utilise these/when,

implications for

> > house results in dasas, drishti, etc

> >

> > 3. whether to read planets in houses from navamsa or see the

planets

> > as navamsa tulya rashis in the lagna chart, then several texts

say

> > planets in navamsa/dasamsa etc should not be in 6/8/12 from the

amsa

> > lagna

> >

> > 4. the latitudes/longitudes considered by various computers vary,

> > leading to a step difference at times and leading to confusion

which

> > is the correct one, which software uses the geographically the

most

> > accurate lat/long, this has an impact for the kp sub-lords, why

not

> > stadndardise taking the accurate one only and banning the others.

> >

> > Although computer softwares have made the job easy, at times it

is

> > recommended that manual horoscopes are more reliable as all local

> > astronomical factors/calculations-nuances cannot be exactly

captured

> > into a software programme. A difference is found in the

> > calulations/rasis/placements as per local panchang and the

> > computerised horoscope creating a doubt, both claiming

correctness.

> >

> > 5 whether the kp system has any origins in the classical texts,

> > dividing a nakshatra into 9 divisions, we have navamsa of 9

divisions

> > of a rasi

> >

> > 6. if vimshottari dasa is the appropriate one why did parasar

muni at

> > all mention about all the other dasa systems and details on their

> > applications, why not computer horoscopes give dasa details/other

> > options as applicable to the particular chart and approved by the

> > classics for ready reference and check. would astottari dasa

paddhati

> > be really applicable in gujarat/saurashtra region as followed.

> >

> > 7. how about modifying a horoscope to suit the current place of

stay,

> > why not horoscope services automatically factor it and provide

data

> > and analysis accordingly

> >

> > 8. most astrologers rattle off readings the moment they see a

> > horoscope which may be a sign of proficiency, most of the time

the

> > readings do not come out correct, and they do not bother

introspecting

> > the causes or taking inputs from the individual concerned - why

not

> > give in writing and refund if absolutely incorrect, taking

> > responsibility for the profession/fee charged creating inbuilt

> > accountability and high standards for the profession.

> >

> > Dr Ravi Rao at ahmedabad was precisely correct in his

observations

> > when he mentioned things will improve as jupiter moves ahead in

the

> > tula lagna, but will not be exactly doing a job,in a consultant

mode,

> > and earnings lost may be recovered/improve to a good level as

days

> > pass by - which proved very true during 2006-2007.

> >

> > 9. while rotating a chart, will the 6/8/12 bhavas become

relatively

> > auspicious

> >

> > 10.do pitru dosha, shrapit dosha, deva dosha,najar dosha, have

any

> > sort of classic approval, and the remedies and amounts/energies

spent

> > worth or capable of overcoming the malady, what alternative

approaches

> > are available or justified/sufficient - my experience is the

> > amount/efforts are beyond a common individual's means and have

not

> > yielded results, yet there seems to be a need to do something

that

> > sooths/overcomes/helps out effectively without causing

> > anxiety/fear/burden

> >

> > 11. which house to consider for knowing job prospects - 6th or

10th,

> > mercury or saturn or sun as karaka

> > 12. jain jyotish how does it differ, what are the merits,

> >

> > my dob is 6th jan 1956, 2.00 am, tenali/andhra, at ahmedabad

since

> > 1995, came to bhavnagar/gujarat soon after birth in 1956 : lost

job on

> > 25th dec, worried when next job or means of living for the

> > future/family responsibilities - son studying, daughter to be

married,

> > no house yet :

> >

> > had no job feb'02 to dec'05 - almost no astrologer could predict

such

> > a long break or when would the next employment exactly start as

per

> > the reknowned dasa systems - why?, while huge sums were spent

trying

> > to overcome the malefic effects - dana,distance temple visits,

> > astrology fees,etc - a proper diagnosis and remedial course of

action

> > can help take some personal decisions and live accordingly

without

> > false hopes or wasteful actions.

> >

> > passing through saturn-rahu dasa, jupiter over saturn/saturn over

> > jupiter phase is over with temporary benefit and raise followed

by

> > immediate fall again. will things rise again soon enough and be

on

> > rails/how soon-when-where-how? if anybody could attempt to

pinpoint

> > and try to help out. saturn-rahu-mars in 2nd house, saturn

> > yogakaraka,dhanesh/panchamesh yoga, panchamesh-saptamesh kendra

yoga,

> > rahu at a distance from sani-mangal; whether any shrapit/pitru

dosh

> > formed; whether sani-rahu-sukra dasa will really help out, saturn

> > vakri in transit, ketu over jupiter, jupiter third from the

moon, rahu

> > 5th house.

> >

> > moon in chitra-2/virgo/12th house as per andhra panchangas, in

chitra-

> > 3/tula rasi/in lagna as per all the computerised horoscopes;

navamsa

> > variations are kumbha/meena, rahu in navamsa variations are

> > makara/kumbha. mars in vrischika, but in tula as per tamil nadi

> > jyotisha, while moon continues to be in tula lagna - any

reflections

> > on this case study.

> >

> > with regards/thanks to all readers/astrologers

> >

> > k shantaram/shantaramkhrd@, ahmedabad 4.16am/6th feb 2008

> >

>

February 13, 2008

An absolute waste of time... seems like he is advertising for someone , who is making charts manually. Unfortunately, most of the people do not do their home work properly before asking a question or making a statement. Why not first search the web or the various astro groups before asking questions?

The least one can expect from such people is clarity in their questions and statements: " I stand for this, this is my question, what is your answer? " type- Very brief and very precise !!!!!!!!!!!!!These people should understand that their understanding, if any, is very preliminary and hence, they have got to be less aggressive.

Kishore patnaik On Feb 6, 2008 6:06 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Dear shantaram ji, Please reads the comments below - ==>> 1. transit rules, how to apply/modify from lagna,sun,navamsa etc

> the texts talk of transit position from moon alongwith vedha;> why not transits from indian sun signs for relative compatability,> would the rasi/yogakaraka positions etc not change/impact.<==

Hope you have read the ancient texts and noticed the name of this group; it reads " Ancient Indian Astrology " ; anything out of context and not mentioned in classics we are NOT interested in.

==>> 2. bhava phalas/how to apply for nirayana chalita bhavas,whether > both apply, the bhava changes for a planet, whether to read transits > from the lagna kundali moon/chalit kundali moon, difference between

> chalit/nirayana chalit and how to utilise these/when, implications for > house results in dasas, drishti, etc<== What do you want to say - or just simply utterly confused?!!! Transit (Gochara) means movement of planets - it is ALWAYS with reference to the natal chart (means chart at birth time) - guidance on how to interpret it is amply available in texts. Further there is NO NEED to learn special techniques to interpret Transit - if one knows Natal astrology well. Yes, I know that you will understand this statement ONLY IF you are a practical astrologer.

==>> 3. whether to read planets in houses from navamsa or see the planets > as navamsa tulya rashis in the lagna chart, then several texts say > planets in navamsa/dasamsa etc should not be in 6/8/12 from the amsa

> lagna<== Navamsa Tulya Rasi and Rasi Tulya Navamsa all are important in their own context. But know that Navamsa is a more vast subject and know that it is is the same 7-fold method that is used to interpret natal chart that applies to divisions as well. As far as the group is concerned - we have just touched the tip of the iceberg by starting to discuss " Sun in own Navamsa " ; and as far as the discussion related to the same is concerned both Navamsa Tuly Rasi and Rasi Tulya Navamsa is irrelevent - because here we are NOT mentioning neither the location of the Lagna nor the position of Sun in Natal chart. If you don't understand this, and find yourself in abyss - that is your problem.

==> 4. the latitudes/longitudes considered by various computers vary, > leading to a step difference at times and leading to confusion which > is the correct one, which software uses the geographically the most

> accurate lat/long, this has an impact for the kp sub-lords, why not > stadndardise taking the accurate one only and banning the others.<== Ofcourse confusion is not the correct one; and with all the sub-lords and numerous other things it is well evident that you are in confusion. We don't plan neither to hang the software venders nor to ban the Ayansamsawalls (in Kaul's terms) - We know that India is a free country and everyone has the right to have their own opinion and beliefs as long as it does not disturb the freedom and life of others.

==>> Although computer softwares have made the job easy, at times it is > recommended that manual horoscopes are more reliable as all local > astronomical factors/calculations-nuances cannot be exactly captured

> into a software programme. A difference is found in the > calulations/rasis/placements as per local panchang and the > computerised horoscope creating a doubt, both claiming correctness. <==

So what I should do?! Or what the group should do?! Of course you can proceed with your revolt againt the same - all the best in your crusade. ==>

> 6. if vimshottari dasa is the appropriate one why did parasar muni at > all mention about all the other dasa systems and details on their > applications, why not computer horoscopes give dasa details/other

> options as applicable to the particular chart and approved by the > classics for ready reference and check. would astottari dasa paddhati > be really applicable in gujarat/saurashtra region as followed.

<== Ask to the computer horoscopes- oh! sorry to the computer horoscope makers. ==>> 5 whether the kp system has any origins in the classical texts,

> dividing a nakshatra into 9 divisions, we have navamsa of 9 divisions > of a rasi<== As we know it (and if you don't know it) - KP system originated from 3 quotes given in Prasnamaraga. After steeling the system, and projecting it as if some new invention - the Gurutwa dosha accumulated is so vast that now the system with its numerous additions has became a waste. :=) Anyway this is my personal opinion - and people may differ.

==>> 7. how about modifying a horoscope to suit the current place of stay, > why not horoscope services automatically factor it and provide data > and analysis accordingly

<== There is no horoscope software makers in this group among the active members - find some one and ask them - hope that you may get some answer - provided your comments seems to be of relevence to them.

==>> 8. most astrologers rattle off readings the moment they see a > horoscope which may be a sign of proficiency, most of the time the > readings do not come out correct, and they do not bother introspecting

> the causes or taking inputs from the individual concerned - why not > give in writing and refund if absolutely incorrect, taking > responsibility for the profession/fee charged creating inbuilt > accountability and high standards for the profession.

<== Again some irrlevent Kaulish statement! Please speak out something useful and valid after thinking - we don't want to waste time after you. It seems that you are simply interested in illogical controversies and came here just to create a fight out of false ego and blind beliefs in some system. Most of the statements - just generates sympathy, and nothing else! Anyway 'Keeping quite for some time and listening' could be a useful medicine. But ater joining on Sep 21, 2007 and reading the Daily digest for so long - why this much lack of understanding about this group - I wonder!

==>> Dr Ravi Rao at ahmedabad was precisely correct in his observations > when he mentioned things will improve as jupiter moves ahead in the > tula lagna, but will not be exactly doing a job,in a consultant mode,

> and earnings lost may be recovered/improve to a good level as days > pass by - which proved very true during 2006-2007.<== Who is this Ravi Rao? Are you his advertiser? And about what you are speaking about - Natal chart or Transit? About the world or some country like India or something else? (Again seems to be a totally confused person - with that out of context statement!)

==>> 9. while rotating a chart, will the 6/8/12 bhavas become relatively > auspicious <== Do we have to rotate it upside-down or downside-up?

==>> 10.do pitru dosha, shrapit dosha, deva dosha,najar dosha, have any > sort of classic approval, and the remedies and amounts/energies spent > worth or capable of overcoming the malady, what alternative approaches

> are available or justified/sufficient - my experience is the > amount/efforts are beyond a common individual's means and have not > yielded results, yet there seems to be a need to do something that

> sooths/overcomes/helps out effectively without causing > anxiety/fear/burden <== Check the texts man! Are we supposed to give you a crash course now?!!!

==>> 11. which house to consider for knowing job prospects - 6th or 10th,> mercury or saturn or sun as karaka<== Check the discussions and previous messages on Job in this group. All houses can indicate job and all planets - if you are unable to digest it - start learning astrology from the basics again.

==>> my dob is 6th jan 1956, 2.00 am, tenali/andhra, at ahmedabad since > 1995, came to bhavnagar/gujarat soon after birth in 1956 : lost job on > 25th dec, worried when next job or means of living for the

> future/family responsibilities - son studying, daughter to be married, > no house yet :> > had no job feb'02 to dec'05 - almost no astrologer could predict such > a long break or when would the next employment exactly start as per

> the reknowned dasa systems - why?, while huge sums were spent trying > to overcome the malefic effects - dana,distance temple visits, > astrology fees,etc - a proper diagnosis and remedial course of action

> can help take some personal decisions and live accordingly without > false hopes or wasteful actions.> > passing through saturn-rahu dasa, jupiter over saturn/saturn over > jupiter phase is over with temporary benefit and raise followed by

> immediate fall again. will things rise again soon enough and be on > rails/how soon-when-where-how? if anybody could attempt to pinpoint > and try to help out. <== Oh! A lengthy story! Please notice that " Free Reading Requests " are NOT appreciated in this group - better consult a professional astrologer and provide him necessary payment and get a reading. :=) Just to present a `free request' such a long and absurd mail was necessary or what – I wonder; and again you believe that the members will waste time on deciphering your chart (for which it is evident that you WON'T be thankful - because of the confuced skeptics mind)!

Note: Such a long mail - and what is the knowledge contribution of this mail to the group?!! I wonder!Anyway,Love and regards,Sreenadh , " shantaramkhrd " <shantaramkhrd wrote:

>> 1. transit rules, how to apply/modify from lagna,sun,navamsa etc> the texts talk of transit position from moon alongwith vedha;> why not transits from indian sun signs for relative compatability,

> would the rasi/yogakaraka positions etc not change/impact.> > 2. bhava phalas/how to apply for nirayana chalita bhavas,whether > both apply, the bhava changes for a planet, whether to read transits

> from the lagna kundali moon/chalit kundali moon, difference between > chalit/nirayana chalit and how to utilise these/when, implications for > house results in dasas, drishti, etc> > 3. whether to read planets in houses from navamsa or see the planets

> as navamsa tulya rashis in the lagna chart, then several texts say > planets in navamsa/dasamsa etc should not be in 6/8/12 from the amsa > lagna> > 4. the latitudes/longitudes considered by various computers vary,

> leading to a step difference at times and leading to confusion which > is the correct one, which software uses the geographically the most > accurate lat/long, this has an impact for the kp sub-lords, why not

> stadndardise taking the accurate one only and banning the others.> > Although computer softwares have made the job easy, at times it is > recommended that manual horoscopes are more reliable as all local

> astronomical factors/calculations-nuances cannot be exactly captured > into a software programme. A difference is found in the > calulations/rasis/placements as per local panchang and the > computerised horoscope creating a doubt, both claiming correctness.

> > 5 whether the kp system has any origins in the classical texts, > dividing a nakshatra into 9 divisions, we have navamsa of 9 divisions > of a rasi> > 6. if vimshottari dasa is the appropriate one why did parasar muni at

> all mention about all the other dasa systems and details on their > applications, why not computer horoscopes give dasa details/other > options as applicable to the particular chart and approved by the

> classics for ready reference and check. would astottari dasa paddhati > be really applicable in gujarat/saurashtra region as followed. > > 7. how about modifying a horoscope to suit the current place of stay,

> why not horoscope services automatically factor it and provide data > and analysis accordingly> > 8. most astrologers rattle off readings the moment they see a > horoscope which may be a sign of proficiency, most of the time the

> readings do not come out correct, and they do not bother introspecting > the causes or taking inputs from the individual concerned - why not > give in writing and refund if absolutely incorrect, taking

> responsibility for the profession/fee charged creating inbuilt > accountability and high standards for the profession.> > Dr Ravi Rao at ahmedabad was precisely correct in his observations > when he mentioned things will improve as jupiter moves ahead in the

> tula lagna, but will not be exactly doing a job,in a consultant mode, > and earnings lost may be recovered/improve to a good level as days > pass by - which proved very true during 2006-2007.>

> 9. while rotating a chart, will the 6/8/12 bhavas become relatively > auspicious > > 10.do pitru dosha, shrapit dosha, deva dosha,najar dosha, have any > sort of classic approval, and the remedies and amounts/energies spent

> worth or capable of overcoming the malady, what alternative approaches > are available or justified/sufficient - my experience is the > amount/efforts are beyond a common individual's means and have not

> yielded results, yet there seems to be a need to do something that > sooths/overcomes/helps out effectively without causing > anxiety/fear/burden > > 11. which house to consider for knowing job prospects - 6th or 10th,

> mercury or saturn or sun as karaka> 12. jain jyotish how does it differ, what are the merits, > > my dob is 6th jan 1956, 2.00 am, tenali/andhra, at ahmedabad since > 1995, came to bhavnagar/gujarat soon after birth in 1956 : lost job on

> 25th dec, worried when next job or means of living for the > future/family responsibilities - son studying, daughter to be married, > no house yet :> > had no job feb'02 to dec'05 - almost no astrologer could predict such

> a long break or when would the next employment exactly start as per > the reknowned dasa systems - why?, while huge sums were spent trying > to overcome the malefic effects - dana,distance temple visits,

> astrology fees,etc - a proper diagnosis and remedial course of action > can help take some personal decisions and live accordingly without > false hopes or wasteful actions.> > passing through saturn-rahu dasa, jupiter over saturn/saturn over

> jupiter phase is over with temporary benefit and raise followed by > immediate fall again. will things rise again soon enough and be on > rails/how soon-when-where-how? if anybody could attempt to pinpoint

> and try to help out. saturn-rahu-mars in 2nd house, saturn > yogakaraka,dhanesh/panchamesh yoga, panchamesh-saptamesh kendra yoga, > rahu at a distance from sani-mangal; whether any shrapit/pitru dosh

> formed; whether sani-rahu-sukra dasa will really help out, saturn > vakri in transit, ketu over jupiter, jupiter third from the moon, rahu > 5th house.> > moon in chitra-2/virgo/12th house as per andhra panchangas, in chitra-

> 3/tula rasi/in lagna as per all the computerised horoscopes; navamsa > variations are kumbha/meena, rahu in navamsa variations are > makara/kumbha. mars in vrischika, but in tula as per tamil nadi > jyotisha, while moon continues to be in tula lagna - any reflections

> on this case study.> > with regards/thanks to all readers/astrologers > > k shantaram/shantaramkhrd, ahmedabad 4.16am/6th feb 2008>

February 14, 2008

dear readers,

i have attempeted sharing my doubts and expriences, and my problem,

hoping for some guidance and insights to come forth - i am not

necessarily conferencing or debating with scholars, who at the same

time can be humble enough to diagnose the underlying issues and lend

a clarifying helpful direction briefly if the need to do so is

empathetically felt and time permits, or ignore - or suggest a

suitable site/book/reference covering the range of issues very well

explained;

my hope was to sort out the missing links in my understanding as a

keen reader in astrology, raising my own confusions at large, and

not raising any debate with the learned ones who could be busy with

their detailed research and macro global issues - however, glad my

participation is atleast arousing a sort of response, and may be

someone will help put things in perspective which may help many

other serious fans of astrology though preliminary in their

understanding level thus enabling them to move forward.

with regards and thanks/k shantaram

, " kishore patnaik "

<kishorepatnaik09 wrote:

>

> An absolute waste of time... seems like he is advertising for

someone , who

> is making charts manually.

>

> Unfortunately, most of the people do not do their home work

properly before

> asking a question or making a statement. Why not first search the

web or the

> various astro groups before asking questions?

>

> The least one can expect from such people is clarity in their

questions and

> statements: " I stand for this, this is my question, what is your

answer? "

> type- Very brief and very precise !!!!!!!!!!!!!

>

> These people should understand that their understanding, if any,

is very

> preliminary and hence, they have got to be less aggressive.

>

> Kishore patnaik

On Feb 6, 2008 6:06 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

>

> > Dear shantaram ji,

> > Please reads the comments below -

> > ==>

> > > 1. transit rules, how to apply/modify from lagna,sun,navamsa

etc

> > > the texts talk of transit position from moon alongwith vedha;

> > > why not transits from indian sun signs for relative

compatability,

> > > would the rasi/yogakaraka positions etc not change/impact.

> > <==

> > Hope you have read the ancient texts and noticed the name of

this group;

> > it reads " Ancient Indian Astrology " ; anything out of context and

not

> > mentioned in classics we are NOT interested in.

> > ==>

> > > 2. bhava phalas/how to apply for nirayana chalita

bhavas,whether

> > > both apply, the bhava changes for a planet, whether to read

transits

> > > from the lagna kundali moon/chalit kundali moon, difference

between

> > > chalit/nirayana chalit and how to utilise these/when,

implications for

> > > house results in dasas, drishti, etc

> > <==

> > What do you want to say - or just simply utterly confused?!!!

Transit

> > (Gochara) means movement of planets - it is ALWAYS with

reference to the

> > natal chart (means chart at birth time) - guidance on how to

interpret it is

> > amply available in texts. Further there is NO NEED to learn

special

> > techniques to interpret Transit - if one knows Natal astrology

well. Yes, I

> > know that you will understand this statement ONLY IF you are a

practical

> > astrologer.

> > ==>

> > > 3. whether to read planets in houses from navamsa or see the

planets

> > > as navamsa tulya rashis in the lagna chart, then several texts

say

> > > planets in navamsa/dasamsa etc should not be in 6/8/12 from

the amsa

> > > lagna

> > <==

> > Navamsa Tulya Rasi and Rasi Tulya Navamsa all are important in

their own

> > context. But know that Navamsa is a more vast subject and know

that it is

> > is the same 7-fold method that is used to interpret natal chart

that applies

> > to divisions as well. As far as the group is concerned - we have

just

> > touched the tip of the iceberg by starting to discuss " Sun in

own Navamsa " ;

> > and as far as the discussion related to the same is concerned

both Navamsa

> > Tuly Rasi and Rasi Tulya Navamsa is irrelevent - because here we

are NOT

> > mentioning neither the location of the Lagna nor the position of

Sun in

> > Natal chart. If you don't understand this, and find yourself in

abyss -

> > that is your problem.

> > ==>

> > 4. the latitudes/longitudes considered by various computers

vary,

> > > leading to a step difference at times and leading to confusion

which

> > > is the correct one, which software uses the geographically the

most

> > > accurate lat/long, this has an impact for the kp sub-lords,

why not

> > > stadndardise taking the accurate one only and banning the

others.

> > <==

> > Ofcourse confusion is not the correct one; and with all the

sub-lords

> > and numerous other things it is well evident that you are in

confusion.

> > We don't plan neither to hang the software venders nor to ban the

> > Ayansamsawalls (in Kaul's terms) - We know that India is a free

country and

> > everyone has the right to have their own opinion and beliefs as

long as it

> > does not disturb the freedom and life of others.

> > ==>

> > > Although computer softwares have made the job easy, at times

it is

> > > recommended that manual horoscopes are more reliable as all

local

> > > astronomical factors/calculations-nuances cannot be exactly

captured

> > > into a software programme. A difference is found in the

> > > calulations/rasis/placements as per local panchang and the

> > > computerised horoscope creating a doubt, both claiming

correctness.

> > <==

> > So what I should do?! Or what the group should do?! Of course

you can

> > proceed with your revolt againt the same - all the best in your

crusade.

> > ==>

> > > 6. if vimshottari dasa is the appropriate one why did parasar

muni at

> > > all mention about all the other dasa systems and details on

their

> > > applications, why not computer horoscopes give dasa

details/other

> > > options as applicable to the particular chart and approved by

the

> > > classics for ready reference and check. would astottari dasa

paddhati

> > > be really applicable in gujarat/saurashtra region as followed.

> > <==

> > Ask to the computer horoscopes- oh! sorry to the computer

horoscope

> > makers.

> > ==>

> > > 5 whether the kp system has any origins in the classical texts,

> > > dividing a nakshatra into 9 divisions, we have navamsa of 9

divisions

> > > of a rasi

> > <==

> > As we know it (and if you don't know it) - KP system

originated from 3

> > quotes given in Prasnamaraga. After steeling the system, and

projecting it

> > as if some new invention - the Gurutwa dosha accumulated is so

vast that now

> > the system with its numerous additions has became a waste. :=)

Anyway this

> > is my personal opinion - and people may differ.

> > ==>

> > > 7. how about modifying a horoscope to suit the current place

of stay,

> > > why not horoscope services automatically factor it and provide

data

> > > and analysis accordingly

> > <==

> > There is no horoscope software makers in this group among the

active

> > members - find some one and ask them - hope that you may get

some answer -

> > provided your comments seems to be of relevence to them.

> > ==>

> > > 8. most astrologers rattle off readings the moment they see a

> > > horoscope which may be a sign of proficiency, most of the time

the

> > > readings do not come out correct, and they do not bother

introspecting

> > > the causes or taking inputs from the individual concerned -

why not

> > > give in writing and refund if absolutely incorrect, taking

> > > responsibility for the profession/fee charged creating inbuilt

> > > accountability and high standards for the profession.

> > <==

> > Again some irrlevent Kaulish statement! Please speak out

something

> > useful and valid after thinking - we don't want to waste time

after you. It

> > seems that you are simply interested in illogical controversies

and came

> > here just to create a fight out of false ego and blind beliefs

in some

> > system. Most of the statements - just generates sympathy, and

nothing

> > else! Anyway 'Keeping quite for some time and listening' could

be a useful

> > medicine. But ater joining on Sep 21, 2007 and reading the

Daily digest for

> > so long - why this much lack of understanding about this group -

I wonder!

> > ==>

> > > Dr Ravi Rao at ahmedabad was precisely correct in his

observations

> > > when he mentioned things will improve as jupiter moves ahead

in the

> > > tula lagna, but will not be exactly doing a job,in a

consultant mode,

> > > and earnings lost may be recovered/improve to a good level as

days

> > > pass by - which proved very true during 2006-2007.

> > <==

> > Who is this Ravi Rao? Are you his advertiser? And about what

you are

> > speaking about - Natal chart or Transit? About the world or some

country

> > like India or something else? (Again seems to be a totally

confused person -

> > with that out of context statement!)

> > ==>

> > > 9. while rotating a chart, will the 6/8/12 bhavas become

relatively

> > > auspicious

> > <==

> > Do we have to rotate it upside-down or downside-up?

> > ==>

> > > 10.do pitru dosha, shrapit dosha, deva dosha,najar dosha, have

any

> > > sort of classic approval, and the remedies and

amounts/energies spent

> > > worth or capable of overcoming the malady, what alternative

approaches

> > > are available or justified/sufficient - my experience is the

> > > amount/efforts are beyond a common individual's means and have

not

> > > yielded results, yet there seems to be a need to do something

that

> > > sooths/overcomes/helps out effectively without causing

> > > anxiety/fear/burden

> > <==

> > Check the texts man! Are we supposed to give you a crash

course now?!!!

> >

> > ==>

> > > 11. which house to consider for knowing job prospects - 6th or

10th,

> > > mercury or saturn or sun as karaka

> > <==

> > Check the discussions and previous messages on Job in this

group. All

> > houses can indicate job and all planets - if you are unable to

digest it -

> > start learning astrology from the basics again.

> > ==>

> > > my dob is 6th jan 1956, 2.00 am, tenali/andhra, at ahmedabad

since

> > > 1995, came to bhavnagar/gujarat soon after birth in 1956 :

lost job on

> > > 25th dec, worried when next job or means of living for the

> > > future/family responsibilities - son studying, daughter to be

married,

> > > no house yet :

> > >

> > > had no job feb'02 to dec'05 - almost no astrologer could

predict such

> > > a long break or when would the next employment exactly start

as per

> > > the reknowned dasa systems - why?, while huge sums were spent

trying

> > > to overcome the malefic effects - dana,distance temple visits,

> > > astrology fees,etc - a proper diagnosis and remedial course of

action

> > > can help take some personal decisions and live accordingly

without

> > > false hopes or wasteful actions.

> > >

> > > passing through saturn-rahu dasa, jupiter over saturn/saturn

over

> > > jupiter phase is over with temporary benefit and raise

followed by

> > > immediate fall again. will things rise again soon enough and

be on

> > > rails/how soon-when-where-how? if anybody could attempt to

pinpoint

> > > and try to help out.

> > <==

> > Oh! A lengthy story! Please notice that " Free Reading

Requests " are NOT

> > appreciated in this group - better consult a professional

astrologer and

> > provide him necessary payment and get a reading. :=) Just to

present a

> > `free request' such a long and absurd mail was necessary or

what – I wonder;

> > and again you believe that the members will waste time on

deciphering your

> > chart (for which it is evident that you WON'T be thankful -

because of the

> > confuced skeptics mind)!

> >

> > Note: Such a long mail - and what is the knowledge

contribution of this

> > mail to the group?!! I wonder!

> > Anyway,

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " shantaramkhrd "

> > <shantaramkhrd@> wrote:

> > >

> > > 1. transit rules, how to apply/modify from lagna,sun,navamsa

etc

> > > the texts talk of transit position from moon alongwith vedha;

> > > why not transits from indian sun signs for relative

compatability,

> > > would the rasi/yogakaraka positions etc not change/impact.

> > >

> > > 2. bhava phalas/how to apply for nirayana chalita

bhavas,whether

> > > both apply, the bhava changes for a planet, whether to read

transits

> > > from the lagna kundali moon/chalit kundali moon, difference

between

> > > chalit/nirayana chalit and how to utilise these/when,

implications for

> > > house results in dasas, drishti, etc

> > >

> > > 3. whether to read planets in houses from navamsa or see the

planets

> > > as navamsa tulya rashis in the lagna chart, then several texts

say

> > > planets in navamsa/dasamsa etc should not be in 6/8/12 from

the amsa

> > > lagna

> > >

> > > 4. the latitudes/longitudes considered by various computers

vary,

> > > leading to a step difference at times and leading to confusion

which

> > > is the correct one, which software uses the geographically the

most

> > > accurate lat/long, this has an impact for the kp sub-lords,

why not

> > > stadndardise taking the accurate one only and banning the

others.

> > >

> > > Although computer softwares have made the job easy, at times

it is

> > > recommended that manual horoscopes are more reliable as all

local

> > > astronomical factors/calculations-nuances cannot be exactly

captured

> > > into a software programme. A difference is found in the

> > > calulations/rasis/placements as per local panchang and the

> > > computerised horoscope creating a doubt, both claiming

correctness.

> > >

> > > 5 whether the kp system has any origins in the classical texts,

> > > dividing a nakshatra into 9 divisions, we have navamsa of 9

divisions

> > > of a rasi

> > >

> > > 6. if vimshottari dasa is the appropriate one why did parasar

muni at

> > > all mention about all the other dasa systems and details on

their

> > > applications, why not computer horoscopes give dasa

details/other

> > > options as applicable to the particular chart and approved by

the

> > > classics for ready reference and check. would astottari dasa

paddhati

> > > be really applicable in gujarat/saurashtra region as followed.

> > >

> > > 7. how about modifying a horoscope to suit the current place

of stay,

> > > why not horoscope services automatically factor it and provide

data

> > > and analysis accordingly

> > >

> > > 8. most astrologers rattle off readings the moment they see a

> > > horoscope which may be a sign of proficiency, most of the time

the

> > > readings do not come out correct, and they do not bother

introspecting

> > > the causes or taking inputs from the individual concerned -

why not

> > > give in writing and refund if absolutely incorrect, taking

> > > responsibility for the profession/fee charged creating inbuilt

> > > accountability and high standards for the profession.

> > >

> > > Dr Ravi Rao at ahmedabad was precisely correct in his

observations

> > > when he mentioned things will improve as jupiter moves ahead

in the

> > > tula lagna, but will not be exactly doing a job,in a

consultant mode,

> > > and earnings lost may be recovered/improve to a good level as

days

> > > pass by - which proved very true during 2006-2007.

> > >

> > > 9. while rotating a chart, will the 6/8/12 bhavas become

relatively

> > > auspicious

> > >

> > > 10.do pitru dosha, shrapit dosha, deva dosha,najar dosha, have

any

> > > sort of classic approval, and the remedies and

amounts/energies spent

> > > worth or capable of overcoming the malady, what alternative

approaches

> > > are available or justified/sufficient - my experience is the

> > > amount/efforts are beyond a common individual's means and have

not

> > > yielded results, yet there seems to be a need to do something

that

> > > sooths/overcomes/helps out effectively without causing

> > > anxiety/fear/burden

> > >

> > > 11. which house to consider for knowing job prospects - 6th or

10th,

> > > mercury or saturn or sun as karaka

> > > 12. jain jyotish how does it differ, what are the merits,

> > >

> > > my dob is 6th jan 1956, 2.00 am, tenali/andhra, at ahmedabad

since

> > > 1995, came to bhavnagar/gujarat soon after birth in 1956 :

lost job on

> > > 25th dec, worried when next job or means of living for the

> > > future/family responsibilities - son studying, daughter to be

married,

> > > no house yet :

> > >

> > > had no job feb'02 to dec'05 - almost no astrologer could

predict such

> > > a long break or when would the next employment exactly start

as per

> > > the reknowned dasa systems - why?, while huge sums were spent

trying

> > > to overcome the malefic effects - dana,distance temple visits,

> > > astrology fees,etc - a proper diagnosis and remedial course of

action

> > > can help take some personal decisions and live accordingly

without

> > > false hopes or wasteful actions.

> > >

> > > passing through saturn-rahu dasa, jupiter over saturn/saturn

over

> > > jupiter phase is over with temporary benefit and raise

followed by

> > > immediate fall again. will things rise again soon enough and

be on

> > > rails/how soon-when-where-how? if anybody could attempt to

pinpoint

> > > and try to help out. saturn-rahu-mars in 2nd house, saturn

> > > yogakaraka,dhanesh/panchamesh yoga, panchamesh-saptamesh

kendra yoga,

> > > rahu at a distance from sani-mangal; whether any shrapit/pitru

dosh

> > > formed; whether sani-rahu-sukra dasa will really help out,

saturn

> > > vakri in transit, ketu over jupiter, jupiter third from the

moon, rahu

> > > 5th house.

> > >

> > > moon in chitra-2/virgo/12th house as per andhra panchangas, in

chitra-

> > > 3/tula rasi/in lagna as per all the computerised horoscopes;

navamsa

> > > variations are kumbha/meena, rahu in navamsa variations are

> > > makara/kumbha. mars in vrischika, but in tula as per tamil nadi

> > > jyotisha, while moon continues to be in tula lagna - any

reflections

> > > on this case study.

> > >

> > > with regards/thanks to all readers/astrologers

> > >

> > > k shantaram/shantaramkhrd@, ahmedabad 4.16am/6th feb 2008

> > >

> >

>

February 14, 2008

Hare ramakrishna,

dear shanta ram ji ,

I respect ur quest for knowledge .But here in this grp we cannot giv individual attention .And more over u were talking abt some astro personality who prediction come true .In that case why all this hocus pocus .

U r near to mt.Kailas and still looking for what ?

Other wise ,u hav to wait and participate in discussions and over a period ur doubts will be cleared .

Hope u understand .THis is a vast subjuct and u urself know that no body can quench ur thirst in one mail >so its ur sincere effort in the direction only will help .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

, "shantaramkhrd" <shantaramkhrd wrote:>> > dear readers,> > i have attempeted sharing my doubts and expriences, and my problem, > hoping for some guidance and insights to come forth - i am not > necessarily conferencing or debating with scholars, who at the same > time can be humble enough to diagnose the underlying issues and lend > a clarifying helpful direction briefly if the need to do so is > empathetically felt and time permits, or ignore - or suggest a > suitable site/book/reference covering the range of issues very well > explained;> > my hope was to sort out the missing links in my understanding as a > keen reader in astrology, raising my own confusions at large, and > not raising any debate with the learned ones who could be busy with > their detailed research and macro global issues - however, glad my > participation is atleast arousing a sort of response, and may be > someone will help put things in perspective which may help many > other serious fans of astrology though preliminary in their > understanding level thus enabling them to move forward.> > with regards and thanks/k shantaram > > > > , "kishore patnaik" > kishorepatnaik09@ wrote:> >> > An absolute waste of time... seems like he is advertising for > someone , who> > is making charts manually.> > > > Unfortunately, most of the people do not do their home work > properly before> > asking a question or making a statement. Why not first search the > web or the> > various astro groups before asking questions?> > > > The least one can expect from such people is clarity in their > questions and> > statements: "I stand for this, this is my question, what is your > answer?"> > type- Very brief and very precise !!!!!!!!!!!!!> > > > These people should understand that their understanding, if any, > is very> > preliminary and hence, they have got to be less aggressive.> > > > Kishore patnaik> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Feb 6, 2008 6:06 PM, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > > > Dear shantaram ji,> > > Please reads the comments below -> > > ==>> > > > 1. transit rules, how to apply/modify from lagna,sun,navamsa > etc> > > > the texts talk of transit position from moon alongwith vedha;> > > > why not transits from indian sun signs for relative > compatability,> > > > would the rasi/yogakaraka positions etc not change/impact.> > > <==> > > Hope you have read the ancient texts and noticed the name of > this group;> > > it reads "Ancient Indian Astrology"; anything out of context and > not> > > mentioned in classics we are NOT interested in.> > > ==>> > > > 2. bhava phalas/how to apply for nirayana chalita > bhavas,whether> > > > both apply, the bhava changes for a planet, whether to read > transits> > > > from the lagna kundali moon/chalit kundali moon, difference > between> > > > chalit/nirayana chalit and how to utilise these/when, > implications for> > > > house results in dasas, drishti, etc> > > <==> > > What do you want to say - or just simply utterly confused?!!! > Transit> > > (Gochara) means movement of planets - it is ALWAYS with > reference to the> > > natal chart (means chart at birth time) - guidance on how to > interpret it is> > > amply available in texts. Further there is NO NEED to learn > special> > > techniques to interpret Transit - if one knows Natal astrology > well. Yes, I> > > know that you will understand this statement ONLY IF you are a > practical> > > astrologer.> > > ==>> > > > 3. whether to read planets in houses from navamsa or see the > planets> > > > as navamsa tulya rashis in the lagna chart, then several texts > say> > > > planets in navamsa/dasamsa etc should not be in 6/8/12 from > the amsa> > > > lagna> > > <==> > > Navamsa Tulya Rasi and Rasi Tulya Navamsa all are important in > their own> > > context. But know that Navamsa is a more vast subject and know > that it is> > > is the same 7-fold method that is used to interpret natal chart > that applies> > > to divisions as well. As far as the group is concerned - we have > just> > > touched the tip of the iceberg by starting to discuss "Sun in > own Navamsa";> > > and as far as the discussion related to the same is concerned > both Navamsa> > > Tuly Rasi and Rasi Tulya Navamsa is irrelevent - because here we > are NOT> > > mentioning neither the location of the Lagna nor the position of > Sun in> > > Natal chart. If you don't understand this, and find yourself in > abyss -> > > that is your problem.> > > ==>> > > 4. the latitudes/longitudes considered by various computers > vary,> > > > leading to a step difference at times and leading to confusion > which> > > > is the correct one, which software uses the geographically the > most> > > > accurate lat/long, this has an impact for the kp sub-lords, > why not> > > > stadndardise taking the accurate one only and banning the > others.> > > <==> > > Ofcourse confusion is not the correct one; and with all the > sub-lords> > > and numerous other things it is well evident that you are in > confusion. > > > We don't plan neither to hang the software venders nor to ban the> > > Ayansamsawalls (in Kaul's terms) - We know that India is a free > country and> > > everyone has the right to have their own opinion and beliefs as > long as it> > > does not disturb the freedom and life of others. > > > ==>> > > > Although computer softwares have made the job easy, at times > it is> > > > recommended that manual horoscopes are more reliable as all > local> > > > astronomical factors/calculations-nuances cannot be exactly > captured> > > > into a software programme. A difference is found in the> > > > calulations/rasis/placements as per local panchang and the> > > > computerised horoscope creating a doubt, both claiming > correctness.> > > <==> > > So what I should do?! Or what the group should do?! Of course > you can> > > proceed with your revolt againt the same - all the best in your > crusade. > > > ==>> > > > 6. if vimshottari dasa is the appropriate one why did parasar > muni at> > > > all mention about all the other dasa systems and details on > their> > > > applications, why not computer horoscopes give dasa > details/other> > > > options as applicable to the particular chart and approved by > the> > > > classics for ready reference and check. would astottari dasa > paddhati> > > > be really applicable in gujarat/saurashtra region as followed.> > > <==> > > Ask to the computer horoscopes- oh! sorry to the computer > horoscope> > > makers. > > > ==>> > > > 5 whether the kp system has any origins in the classical texts,> > > > dividing a nakshatra into 9 divisions, we have navamsa of 9 > divisions> > > > of a rasi> > > <==> > > As we know it (and if you don't know it) - KP system > originated from 3> > > quotes given in Prasnamaraga. After steeling the system, and > projecting it> > > as if some new invention - the Gurutwa dosha accumulated is so > vast that now> > > the system with its numerous additions has became a waste. :=) > Anyway this> > > is my personal opinion - and people may differ. > > > ==>> > > > 7. how about modifying a horoscope to suit the current place > of stay,> > > > why not horoscope services automatically factor it and provide > data> > > > and analysis accordingly> > > <==> > > There is no horoscope software makers in this group among the > active> > > members - find some one and ask them - hope that you may get > some answer -> > > provided your comments seems to be of relevence to them. > > > ==>> > > > 8. most astrologers rattle off readings the moment they see a> > > > horoscope which may be a sign of proficiency, most of the time > the> > > > readings do not come out correct, and they do not bother > introspecting> > > > the causes or taking inputs from the individual concerned - > why not> > > > give in writing and refund if absolutely incorrect, taking> > > > responsibility for the profession/fee charged creating inbuilt> > > > accountability and high standards for the profession.> > > <==> > > Again some irrlevent Kaulish statement! Please speak out > something> > > useful and valid after thinking - we don't want to waste time > after you. It> > > seems that you are simply interested in illogical controversies > and came> > > here just to create a fight out of false ego and blind beliefs > in some> > > system. Most of the statements - just generates sympathy, and > nothing> > > else! Anyway 'Keeping quite for some time and listening' could > be a useful> > > medicine. But ater joining on Sep 21, 2007 and reading the > Daily digest for> > > so long - why this much lack of understanding about this group - > I wonder!> > > ==>> > > > Dr Ravi Rao at ahmedabad was precisely correct in his > observations> > > > when he mentioned things will improve as jupiter moves ahead > in the> > > > tula lagna, but will not be exactly doing a job,in a > consultant mode,> > > > and earnings lost may be recovered/improve to a good level as > days> > > > pass by - which proved very true during 2006-2007.> > > <==> > > Who is this Ravi Rao? Are you his advertiser? And about what > you are> > > speaking about - Natal chart or Transit? About the world or some > country> > > like India or something else? (Again seems to be a totally > confused person -> > > with that out of context statement!)> > > ==>> > > > 9. while rotating a chart, will the 6/8/12 bhavas become > relatively> > > > auspicious> > > <==> > > Do we have to rotate it upside-down or downside-up? > > > ==>> > > > 10.do pitru dosha, shrapit dosha, deva dosha,najar dosha, have > any> > > > sort of classic approval, and the remedies and > amounts/energies spent> > > > worth or capable of overcoming the malady, what alternative > approaches> > > > are available or justified/sufficient - my experience is the> > > > amount/efforts are beyond a common individual's means and have > not> > > > yielded results, yet there seems to be a need to do something > that> > > > sooths/overcomes/helps out effectively without causing> > > > anxiety/fear/burden> > > <==> > > Check the texts man! Are we supposed to give you a crash > course now?!!!> > >> > > ==>> > > > 11. which house to consider for knowing job prospects - 6th or > 10th,> > > > mercury or saturn or sun as karaka> > > <==> > > Check the discussions and previous messages on Job in this > group. All> > > houses can indicate job and all planets - if you are unable to > digest it -> > > start learning astrology from the basics again.> > > ==>> > > > my dob is 6th jan 1956, 2.00 am, tenali/andhra, at ahmedabad > since> > > > 1995, came to bhavnagar/gujarat soon after birth in 1956 : > lost job on> > > > 25th dec, worried when next job or means of living for the> > > > future/family responsibilities - son studying, daughter to be > married,> > > > no house yet :> > > >> > > > had no job feb'02 to dec'05 - almost no astrologer could > predict such> > > > a long break or when would the next employment exactly start > as per> > > > the reknowned dasa systems - why?, while huge sums were spent > trying> > > > to overcome the malefic effects - dana,distance temple visits,> > > > astrology fees,etc - a proper diagnosis and remedial course of > action> > > > can help take some personal decisions and live accordingly > without> > > > false hopes or wasteful actions.> > > >> > > > passing through saturn-rahu dasa, jupiter over saturn/saturn > over> > > > jupiter phase is over with temporary benefit and raise > followed by> > > > immediate fall again. will things rise again soon enough and > be on> > > > rails/how soon-when-where-how? if anybody could attempt to > pinpoint> > > > and try to help out.> > > <==> > > Oh! A lengthy story! Please notice that "Free Reading > Requests" are NOT> > > appreciated in this group - better consult a professional > astrologer and> > > provide him necessary payment and get a reading. :=) Just to > present a> > > `free request' such a long and absurd mail was necessary or > what – I wonder;> > > and again you believe that the members will waste time on > deciphering your> > > chart (for which it is evident that you WON'T be thankful - > because of the> > > confuced skeptics mind)! > > >> > > Note: Such a long mail - and what is the knowledge > contribution of this> > > mail to the group?!! I wonder!> > > Anyway,> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > >> > > , "shantaramkhrd"> > > <shantaramkhrd@> wrote:> > > >> > > > 1. transit rules, how to apply/modify from lagna,sun,navamsa > etc> > > > the texts talk of transit position from moon alongwith vedha;> > > > why not transits from indian sun signs for relative > compatability,> > > > would the rasi/yogakaraka positions etc not change/impact.> > > >> > > > 2. bhava phalas/how to apply for nirayana chalita > bhavas,whether> > > > both apply, the bhava changes for a planet, whether to read > transits> > > > from the lagna kundali moon/chalit kundali moon, difference > between> > > > chalit/nirayana chalit and how to utilise these/when, > implications for> > > > house results in dasas, drishti, etc> > > >> > > > 3. whether to read planets in houses from navamsa or see the > planets> > > > as navamsa tulya rashis in the lagna chart, then several texts > say> > > > planets in navamsa/dasamsa etc should not be in 6/8/12 from > the amsa> > > > lagna> > > >> > > > 4. the latitudes/longitudes considered by various computers > vary,> > > > leading to a step difference at times and leading to confusion > which> > > > is the correct one, which software uses the geographically the > most> > > > accurate lat/long, this has an impact for the kp sub-lords, > why not> > > > stadndardise taking the accurate one only and banning the > others.> > > >> > > > Although computer softwares have made the job easy, at times > it is> > > > recommended that manual horoscopes are more reliable as all > local> > > > astronomical factors/calculations-nuances cannot be exactly > captured> > > > into a software programme. A difference is found in the> > > > calulations/rasis/placements as per local panchang and the> > > > computerised horoscope creating a doubt, both claiming > correctness.> > > >> > > > 5 whether the kp system has any origins in the classical texts,> > > > dividing a nakshatra into 9 divisions, we have navamsa of 9 > divisions> > > > of a rasi> > > >> > > > 6. if vimshottari dasa is the appropriate one why did parasar > muni at> > > > all mention about all the other dasa systems and details on > their> > > > applications, why not computer horoscopes give dasa > details/other> > > > options as applicable to the particular chart and approved by > the> > > > classics for ready reference and check. would astottari dasa > paddhati> > > > be really applicable in gujarat/saurashtra region as followed.> > > >> > > > 7. how about modifying a horoscope to suit the current place > of stay,> > > > why not horoscope services automatically factor it and provide > data> > > > and analysis accordingly> > > >> > > > 8. most astrologers rattle off readings the moment they see a> > > > horoscope which may be a sign of proficiency, most of the time > the> > > > readings do not come out correct, and they do not bother > introspecting> > > > the causes or taking inputs from the individual concerned - > why not> > > > give in writing and refund if absolutely incorrect, taking> > > > responsibility for the profession/fee charged creating inbuilt> > > > accountability and high standards for the profession.> > > >> > > > Dr Ravi Rao at ahmedabad was precisely correct in his > observations> > > > when he mentioned things will improve as jupiter moves ahead > in the> > > > tula lagna, but will not be exactly doing a job,in a > consultant mode,> > > > and earnings lost may be recovered/improve to a good level as > days> > > > pass by - which proved very true during 2006-2007.> > > >> > > > 9. while rotating a chart, will the 6/8/12 bhavas become > relatively> > > > auspicious> > > >> > > > 10.do pitru dosha, shrapit dosha, deva dosha,najar dosha, have > any> > > > sort of classic approval, and the remedies and > amounts/energies spent> > > > worth or capable of overcoming the malady, what alternative > approaches> > > > are available or justified/sufficient - my experience is the> > > > amount/efforts are beyond a common individual's means and have > not> > > > yielded results, yet there seems to be a need to do something > that> > > > sooths/overcomes/helps out effectively without causing> > > > anxiety/fear/burden> > > >> > > > 11. which house to consider for knowing job prospects - 6th or > 10th,> > > > mercury or saturn or sun as karaka> > > > 12. jain jyotish how does it differ, what are the merits,> > > >> > > > my dob is 6th jan 1956, 2.00 am, tenali/andhra, at ahmedabad > since> > > > 1995, came to bhavnagar/gujarat soon after birth in 1956 : > lost job on> > > > 25th dec, worried when next job or means of living for the> > > > future/family responsibilities - son studying, daughter to be > married,> > > > no house yet :> > > >> > > > had no job feb'02 to dec'05 - almost no astrologer could > predict such> > > > a long break or when would the next employment exactly start > as per> > > > the reknowned dasa systems - why?, while huge sums were spent > trying> > > > to overcome the malefic effects - dana,distance temple visits,> > > > astrology fees,etc - a proper diagnosis and remedial course of > action> > > > can help take some personal decisions and live accordingly > without> > > > false hopes or wasteful actions.> > > >> > > > passing through saturn-rahu dasa, jupiter over saturn/saturn > over> > > > jupiter phase is over with temporary benefit and raise > followed by> > > > immediate fall again. will things rise again soon enough and > be on> > > > rails/how soon-when-where-how? if anybody could attempt to > pinpoint> > > > and try to help out. saturn-rahu-mars in 2nd house, saturn> > > > yogakaraka,dhanesh/panchamesh yoga, panchamesh-saptamesh > kendra yoga,> > > > rahu at a distance from sani-mangal; whether any shrapit/pitru > dosh> > > > formed; whether sani-rahu-sukra dasa will really help out, > saturn> > > > vakri in transit, ketu over jupiter, jupiter third from the > moon, rahu> > > > 5th house.> > > >> > > > moon in chitra-2/virgo/12th house as per andhra panchangas, in > chitra-> > > > 3/tula rasi/in lagna as per all the computerised horoscopes; > navamsa> > > > variations are kumbha/meena, rahu in navamsa variations are> > > > makara/kumbha. mars in vrischika, but in tula as per tamil nadi> > > > jyotisha, while moon continues to be in tula lagna - any > reflections> > > > on this case study.> > > >> > > > with regards/thanks to all readers/astrologers> > > >> > > > k shantaram/shantaramkhrd@, ahmedabad 4.16am/6th feb 2008> > > >> > > > > >> >>

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