Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Dear Shantaram KHRD ji, Kindly find my view point in blue & red. Sreeram_Srinivas , "shantaramkhrd" <shantaramkhrd wrote: 1. transit rules, how to apply/modify from lagna,sun,navamsa etc the texts talk of transit position from moon alongwith vedha; why not transits from indian sun signs for relative compatability, would the rasi/yogakaraka positions etc not change/impact. Sreeram_Comments: The scriptures are very clear on how to apply transits & how to see from Navamsa also. Kindly refer Late Sri C. S. Patel's books on Navamsa, where he has detailed. You can apply transit positions on your natal & moon charts or for better results, place the transit planet positions on your Lagna rasi and interpret them. 2. bhava phalas/how to apply for nirayana chalita bhavas,whether both apply, the bhava changes for a planet, whether to read transits from the lagna kundali moon/chalit kundali moon, difference between chalit/nirayana chalit and how to utilise these/when, implications for house results in dasas, drishti, etc Sreeram_Comments: We have debated a lot in past on the above and many learned scholars including Sri P.S. Sastri concluded on Equal House System as the original. 3. whether to read planets in houses from navamsa or see the planets as navamsa tulya rashis in the lagna chart, then several texts say planets in navamsa/dasamsa etc should not be in 6/8/12 from the amsa lagna Sreeram_Comments: Ancient texts give importance to the Natal and amsa postions, both to be read in tandem. This is consistent with all scholar(s) interpretation. 4. the latitudes/longitudes considered by various computers vary, leading to a step difference at times and leading to confusion which is the correct one, which software uses the geographically the most accurate lat/long, this has an impact for the kp sub-lords, why not stadndardise taking the accurate one only and banning the others. Sreeram_Comments Why do you get confused with what the astro_software gives, though many of them do not much deviate except for minutes. A minor change minutes is not going to effect your calculations unless when viewed with a confused mind. Kindly note, our elders did not use any astro_software during their times, then why you should get mislead by them. Note 1deg longitude depending upon the latitude is equivalent to 110 kms on average. Use the longitudes of www.worldatlas.com if you are in doubt. We in the group are NOT discussing KP or its sub-lords.....so NO comments on that point. It is for the software providers to select what they feel it appropriate...should they approach us, we may give our opinion which is a remote case. We do not see a remotest possibility on this issue. Modern survey methods are fairly advanced today, hence very realiable & accurate data is available for all the places on globe. There can be cases of similar names Example: Jaipur or Hyderabad - JHora returns multiple places & longitudes with similar names. So choice has to be made with proper knowledge Although computer softwares have made the job easy, at times it is recommended that manual horoscopes are more reliable as all local astronomical factors/calculations-nuances cannot be exactly captured into a software programme. A difference is found in the calulations/rasis/placements as per local panchang and the computerised horoscope creating a doubt, both claiming correctness. Sreeram_Comments: A qualified astrologer is supposed to be equally good in manual calculations, NOT necessary that all manual calculations are accurate for they may be some errors...it is the job of astrologer to verify them properly before he delves into prediction issues. 5 whether the kp system has any origins in the classical texts, dividing a nakshatra into 9 divisions, we have navamsa of 9 divisions of a rasi Sreeram_Comments: KP system is derived from traditional Indian astrology, however, the variations KP has on sub-lords..etc. or the Placcidus House system, have NO basis, in our ancient Indian system. 6. if vimshottari dasa is the appropriate one why did parasar muni at all mention about all the other dasa systems and details on their applications, why not computer horoscopes give dasa details/other options as applicable to the particular chart and approved by the classics for ready reference and check. would astottari dasa paddhati be really applicable in gujarat/saurashtra region as followed. Sreeram_Comments: Every dasha system has its uniqueness, to comment that Why Sage Parashara did that ...you should study astrology first, "arm chair astrologers" cannot expect to get replies sitting there. First making a software requires knowledge, which comes after open discussions & debates. Each dasha has some conditions to be satisfied for its application. Be aware that making a software is NOT a kids play and requires lot of grey cells. 7. how about modifying a horoscope to suit the current place of stay, why not horoscope services automatically factor it and provide data and analysis accordingly Sreeram_Comments You must be aware that the local time at place of birth is considered in calcuations. May be if you thinking about the nursing home details then you are encouraged to use lates GPS or DGPS devices to get correct longitude & latitude. 8. most astrologers rattle off readings the moment they see a horoscope which may be a sign of proficiency, most of the time the readings do not come out correct, and they do not bother introspecting the causes or taking inputs from the individual concerned - why not give in writing and refund if absolutely incorrect, taking responsibility for the profession/fee charged creating inbuilt accountability and high standards for the profession. Sreeram_Srinivas I think you are referring to the 3rd astrologer in market place, if you have consulted few good astrologers who are there in every city and corner, your views would have changed. There are many professional astros in this group, who have been analysing and sharing their view points based on their past experiences. Can you charge back to the Doctor(s), for his failed operations ?? In both cases, people consult astrologer as a lost resort, similary with doctors,....they do their analysis or surgery to best of their knowledge....unless you want to replicate Mr. Shylock of Shakespeare, then god forbid any astrologer in reading your hororscope !!!. Extend the rule to all govt. employees & politicians for the current lack of infrastrcture in India, dismiss all marketing managers for failing to get contracts, dismiss all lawyers for lost court cases.......where do you want to end Mr. Shantaram ji......??? Be realistic..... Dr Ravi Rao at ahmedabad was precisely correct in his observations when he mentioned things will improve as jupiter moves ahead in the tula lagna, but will not be exactly doing a job,in a consultant mode, and earnings lost may be recovered/improve to a good level as days pass by - which proved very true during 2006-2007. Sreeram_Srinivas In what context that you are taking this reference we are not aware, neither we know Dr. Ravi Rao...... 9. while rotating a chart, will the 6/8/12 bhavas become relatively auspicious Sreeram_Srinivas We are NOT aware of your rotation of chart or planets or anything.....and why you are rotating and for what reasons....we do not know.......unless one of us is in a tinzy mode !!! {humor} 10.do pitru dosha, shrapit dosha, deva dosha,najar dosha, have any sort of classic approval, and the remedies and amounts/energies spent worth or capable of overcoming the malady, what alternative approaches are available or justified/sufficient - my experience is the amount/efforts are beyond a common individual's means and have not yielded results, yet there seems to be a need to do something that sooths/overcomes/helps out effectively without causing anxiety/fear/burden Sreeram_Comments Dear Mr. Shantarm ji, we in this group have said many times, {take time to browse through the archives} about our reservations on using remedies and our limitations to test the same. It is left to individual based on his bank balance to experiement. > > 11. which house to consider for knowing job prospects - 6th or 10th, mercury or saturn or sun as karaka Sreeram_Comments Kindly go through the archives to get this answer. All 9 planets & 12 houses are important for knowing career. 12. jain jyotish how does it differ, what are the merits, my dob is 6th jan 1956, 2.00 am, tenali/andhra, at ahmedabad since 1995, came to bhavnagar/gujarat soon after birth in 1956 : lost job on 25th dec, worried when next job or means of living for the future/family responsibilities - son studying, daughter to be married, no house yet : had no job feb'02 to dec'05 - almost no astrologer could predict such a long break or when would the next employment exactly start as per the reknowned dasa systems - why?, while huge sums were spent trying to overcome the malefic effects - dana,distance temple visits, astrology fees,etc - a proper diagnosis and remedial course of action can help take some personal decisions and live accordingly without false hopes or wasteful actions. passing through saturn-rahu dasa, jupiter over saturn/saturn over jupiter phase is over with temporary benefit and raise followed by immediate fall again. will things rise again soon enough and be on rails/how soon-when-where-how? if anybody could attempt to pinpoint and try to help out. saturn-rahu-mars in 2nd house, saturn yogakaraka,dhanesh/panchamesh yoga, panchamesh-saptamesh kendra yoga, rahu at a distance from sani-mangal; whether any shrapit/pitru dosh formed; whether sani-rahu-sukra dasa will really help out, saturn vakri in transit, ketu over jupiter, jupiter third from the moon, rahu 5th house. moon in chitra-2/virgo/12th house as per andhra panchangas, in chitra- 3/tula rasi/in lagna as per all the computerised horoscopes; navamsa variations are kumbha/meena, rahu in navamsa variations are makara/kumbha. mars in vrischika, but in tula as per tamil nadi jyotisha, while moon continues to be in tula lagna - any reflections on this case study. Sreeram_Comments In my personal opinion, hardwork, persistence and good karma give you the jobs, planets only assist you in that activity....else..planets are also helpless.... We in this group do NOT provide personal readings...for which you are advised to seek some good astrologer in your area..... One passing rider: With paid astro_consultants, you want them to be striped off their fees on failed predictions.....what do you propose for that great spiritual astrologer who spents 2-3 hrs before giving his free advice and should it fail.....?? What compliment you will provide if his predictions become true....?? What is the gurantee that you would provide a compliment or some dakshina if the predictions turns out to be true....?? If you or any such persons seeking free consultancy....do not act as per his commitments...what do you propose to do with such people........ With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas with regards/thanks to all readers/astrologers k shantaram/shantaramkhrd, ahmedabad 4.16am/6th feb 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Respected Shri Sreeram Srinivas, this is to thank you indeed for the kind attention on the queries raised by me, and for educating me on these kind of amateur doubts - sharing your learned knowledge, experience and opinion : By rotating the chart i meant, treating a house or dasa lord position or the karaka placement as the first house which is mentioned in several books on astrology - my query was in that case whether the nature of the kendra/trikona auspicious houses or the 6/8/12 basically inauspicious houses in the lagna chart would relatively change in terms of interpretation for the rotated chart/house etc - and how to combine such observations and interpretations, whether they would be tenable relatively making the positions auspicious/inauspicious, from an academic point of view in case i am able to make my point, or you do not recommend such technique. with best regards/k shantaram , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Dear Shantaram KHRD ji, > > Kindly find my view point in blue & red. > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > , " shantaramkhrd " > <shantaramkhrd@> wrote: > > 1. transit rules, how to apply/modify from lagna,sun,navamsa etc the > texts talk of transit position from moon alongwith vedha; why not > transits from indian sun signs for relative compatability, would the > rasi/yogakaraka positions etc not change/impact. > > Sreeram_Comments: > > The scriptures are very clear on how to apply transits & how to see from > Navamsa also. Kindly refer Late Sri C. S. Patel's books on Navamsa, > where he has detailed. You can apply transit positions on your natal & > moon charts or for better results, place the transit planet positions > on your Lagna rasi and interpret them. > > > 2. bhava phalas/how to apply for nirayana chalita bhavas,whether both > apply, the bhava changes for a planet, whether to read transits from > the lagna kundali moon/chalit kundali moon, difference between > chalit/nirayana chalit and how to utilise these/when, implications for > house results in dasas, drishti, etc > > Sreeram_Comments: > > We have debated a lot in past on the above and many learned scholars > including Sri P.S. Sastri concluded on Equal House System as the > original. > > 3. whether to read planets in houses from navamsa or see the planets as > navamsa tulya rashis in the lagna chart, then several texts say planets > in navamsa/dasamsa etc should not be in 6/8/12 from the amsa lagna > > Sreeram_Comments: > > Ancient texts give importance to the Natal and amsa postions, both to be > read in tandem. This is consistent with all scholar(s) interpretation. > > 4. the latitudes/longitudes considered by various computers vary, > leading to a step difference at times and leading to confusion which is > the correct one, which software uses the geographically the most > accurate lat/long, this has an impact for the kp sub-lords, why not > stadndardise taking the accurate one only and banning the others. > > > Sreeram_Comments > > Why do you get confused with what the astro_software gives, though many > of them do not much deviate except for minutes. A minor change minutes > is not going to effect your calculations unless when viewed with a > confused mind. Kindly note, our elders did not use any astro_software > during their times, then why you should get mislead by them. Note 1deg > longitude depending upon the latitude is equivalent to 110 kms on > average. Use the longitudes of www.worldatlas.com > <http://www.worldatlas.com> if you are in doubt. We in the group > are NOT discussing KP or its sub-lords.....so NO comments on that point. > > It is for the software providers to select what they feel it > appropriate...should they approach us, we may give our opinion which is > a remote case. We do not see a remotest possibility on this issue. > Modern survey methods are fairly advanced today, hence very realiable & > accurate data is available for all the places on globe. There can be > cases of similar names Example: Jaipur or Hyderabad - JHora returns > multiple places & longitudes with similar names. So choice has to be > made with proper knowledge > > > Although computer softwares have made the job easy, at times it is > recommended that manual horoscopes are more reliable as all local > astronomical factors/calculations-nuances cannot be exactly captured > into a software programme. A difference is found in the > calulations/rasis/placements as per local panchang and the computerised > horoscope creating a doubt, both claiming correctness. > > > Sreeram_Comments: > > A qualified astrologer is supposed to be equally good in manual > calculations, NOT necessary that all manual calculations are accurate > for they may be some errors...it is the job of astrologer to verify them > properly before he delves into prediction issues. > > > 5 whether the kp system has any origins in the classical texts, > dividing a nakshatra into 9 divisions, we have navamsa of 9 divisions > of a rasi > > Sreeram_Comments: > > KP system is derived from traditional Indian astrology, however, the > variations KP has on sub-lords..etc. or the Placcidus House system, have > NO basis, in our ancient Indian system. > > > 6. if vimshottari dasa is the appropriate one why did parasar muni at > all mention about all the other dasa systems and details on their > applications, why not computer horoscopes give dasa details/other > options as applicable to the particular chart and approved by the > classics for ready reference and check. would astottari dasa paddhati > be really applicable in gujarat/saurashtra region as followed. > > Sreeram_Comments: > > Every dasha system has its uniqueness, to comment that Why Sage > Parashara did that ...you should study astrology first, " arm chair > astrologers " cannot expect to get replies sitting there. First making > a software requires knowledge, which comes after open discussions & > debates. Each dasha has some conditions to be satisfied for its > application. > > Be aware that making a software is NOT a kids play and requires lot of > grey cells. > > 7. how about modifying a horoscope to suit the current place of stay, > why not horoscope services automatically factor it and provide data and > analysis accordingly > > Sreeram_Comments > > You must be aware that the local time at place of birth is considered > in calcuations. May be if you thinking about the nursing home details > then you are encouraged to use lates GPS or DGPS devices to get > correct longitude & latitude. > > 8. most astrologers rattle off readings the moment they see a > horoscope which may be a sign of proficiency, most of the time the > readings do not come out correct, and they do not bother introspecting > the causes or taking inputs from the individual concerned - why not > give in writing and refund if absolutely incorrect, taking > responsibility for the profession/fee charged creating inbuilt > accountability and high standards for the profession. > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > I think you are referring to the 3rd astrologer in market place, if you > have consulted few good astrologers who are there in every city and > corner, your views would have changed. There are many professional > astros in this group, who have been analysing and sharing their view > points based on their past experiences. > > Can you charge back to the Doctor(s), for his failed operations ?? In > both cases, people consult astrologer as a lost resort, similary with > doctors,....they do their analysis or surgery to best of their > knowledge....unless you want to replicate Mr. Shylock of Shakespeare, > then god forbid any astrologer in reading your hororscope !!!. > > Extend the rule to all govt. employees & politicians for the current > lack of infrastrcture in India, dismiss all marketing managers for > failing to get contracts, dismiss all lawyers for lost court > cases.......where do you want to end Mr. Shantaram ji......??? Be > realistic..... > > Dr Ravi Rao at ahmedabad was precisely correct in his observations > when he mentioned things will improve as jupiter moves ahead in the > tula lagna, but will not be exactly doing a job,in a consultant mode, > and earnings lost may be recovered/improve to a good level as days pass > by - which proved very true during 2006-2007. > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > In what context that you are taking this reference we are not aware, > neither we know Dr. Ravi Rao...... > > 9. while rotating a chart, will the 6/8/12 bhavas become relatively > auspicious > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > We are NOT aware of your rotation of chart or planets or > anything.....and why you are rotating and for what reasons....we do not > know.......unless one of us is in a tinzy mode !!! {humor} > > 10.do pitru dosha, shrapit dosha, deva dosha,najar dosha, have any > sort of classic approval, and the remedies and amounts/energies spent > worth or capable of overcoming the malady, what alternative approaches > are available or justified/sufficient - my experience is the > amount/efforts are beyond a common individual's means and have not > yielded results, yet there seems to be a need to do something that > sooths/overcomes/helps out effectively without causing > anxiety/fear/burden > > Sreeram_Comments > > Dear Mr. Shantarm ji, we in this group have said many times, {take > time to browse through the archives} about our reservations on using > remedies and our limitations to test the same. It is left to individual > based on his bank balance to experiement. > > > > 11. which house to consider for knowing job prospects - 6th or 10th, > mercury or saturn or sun as karaka > > Sreeram_Comments > > Kindly go through the archives to get this answer. All 9 planets & 12 > houses are important for knowing career. > > 12. jain jyotish how does it differ, what are the merits, my dob is > 6th jan 1956, 2.00 am, tenali/andhra, at ahmedabad since 1995, came to > bhavnagar/gujarat soon after birth in 1956 : lost job on 25th dec, > worried when next job or means of living for the future/family > responsibilities - son studying, daughter to be married, no house yet : > had no job feb'02 to dec'05 - almost no astrologer could predict such a > long break or when would the next employment exactly start as per the > reknowned dasa systems - why?, while huge sums were spent trying to > overcome the malefic effects - dana,distance temple visits, astrology > fees,etc - a proper diagnosis and remedial course of action can help > take some personal decisions and live accordingly without false hopes > or wasteful actions. passing through saturn-rahu dasa, jupiter over > saturn/saturn over jupiter phase is over with temporary benefit and > raise followed by immediate fall again. will things rise again soon > enough and be on rails/how soon-when-where-how? if anybody could > attempt to pinpoint and try to help out. saturn-rahu-mars in 2nd > house, saturn yogakaraka,dhanesh/panchamesh yoga, panchamesh- saptamesh > kendra yoga, rahu at a distance from sani-mangal; whether any > shrapit/pitru dosh formed; whether sani-rahu-sukra dasa will really > help out, saturn > vakri in transit, ketu over jupiter, jupiter third from the moon, rahu > 5th house. moon in chitra-2/virgo/12th house as per andhra > panchangas, in chitra- 3/tula rasi/in lagna as per all the computerised > horoscopes; navamsa variations are kumbha/meena, rahu in navamsa > variations are makara/kumbha. mars in vrischika, but in tula as per > tamil nadi jyotisha, while moon continues to be in tula lagna - any > reflections on this case study. > > > Sreeram_Comments > > In my personal opinion, hardwork, persistence and good karma give you > the jobs, planets only assist you in that activity....else..planets are > also helpless.... > > We in this group do NOT provide personal readings...for which you are > advised to seek some good astrologer in your area..... > > One passing rider: > > With paid astro_consultants, you want them to be striped off their fees > on failed predictions.....what do you propose for that great spiritual > astrologer who spents 2-3 hrs before giving his free advice and should > it fail.....?? What compliment you will provide if his predictions > become true....?? What is the gurantee that you would provide a > compliment or some dakshina if the predictions turns out to be > true....?? If you or any such persons seeking free consultancy....do > not act as per his commitments...what do you propose to do with such > people........ > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > with regards/thanks to all readers/astrologers > > k shantaram/shantaramkhrd@, ahmedabad 4.16am/6th feb 2008 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2008 Report Share Posted February 13, 2008 Dear Mr. ShantaramKHRD ji, To your father you are his " Shani " , if you are married then your children are your " Shani " ...what are we talking about here....a relative sense.....when you are analyzing things from Lagna then 6-8-12 factors rules. When you want to analyze your career and take 10H as your focus area, then 3H, 5H & 9H becomes your 6-8-12. If you are concerned about your children, then 5H is the focus area, then take the 6-8-12 from there. To come to a conclusion you need to make polymerization of all this results from angle / focus area. That is where the art of prediction comes into play in astrology. This is make and break of a astrologer. Points of analysis may be the same, perspective differ between astrologers. {half glass full or empty cases...} " Shani " , Saturn is son of Sun, children are supposed to be hindrances to spirituality on a very superficial discussions and considered to be bondages....!!!????!!! Trust this clarifies..... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , " shantaramkhrd " <shantaramkhrd wrote: Respected Shri Sreeram Srinivas, this is to thank you indeed for the kind attention on the queries raised by me, and for educating me on these kind of amateur doubts - sharing your learned knowledge, experience and opinion : By rotating the chart i meant, treating a house or dasa lord position or the karaka placement as the first house which is mentioned in several books on astrology - my query was in that case whether the nature of the kendra/trikona auspicious houses or the 6/8/12 basically inauspicious houses in the lagna chart would relatively change in terms of interpretation for the rotated chart/house etc - and how to combine such observations and interpretations, whether they would be tenable relatively making the positions auspicious/inauspicious, from an academic point of view in case i am able to make my point, or you do not recommend such technique. with best regards/k shantaram Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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