Guest guest Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Dear arkaydashji, The topics which we feel noncomestible can be as scrumptious as a desert for people who engross themselves in such studies. May be we are less knowledgeable to savor those dishes, but isn't it some times good to know that there are such dishes that have been already served by a minor sect, waiting to be relished by the gourmets? There may or may not be any connoisseur to relish, but lets not discourage them. Like window shopping, we can have a cursory look at their dishes and enjoy the sight. Who knows, sometimes it might be these noncomestibles that we think are light years away, that will bridge the gaps, when once digested? So lets us not always stick to the monotonous route. The more varied the inputs, the more we can innovate, and grow. The twines have to meet somewhere . I think there isnt anything wrong in allowing such discussions to happen simultaneously, as long as the servers dont offend each other:). (I hope the Moderatorjis also dont mind) Regards, Jyothi , rk dash <arkaydash wrote: > > Goel Saab, > What a relief to see this post. The high-altitude debates and wide-swipe seminars (say 'dhai akshar...') had almost had me despairing of this self-proud group. > > On Point One of your post, Ramadayalu (Sanketanidhi) goes further. I once thought of making a study of this aspect but the forum attention couldn't be held on to the subject. Hopefully I will get on with that. > > On Point Two: There must be domain demarcation between house lord and house karaka when they are strong and well-placed. This is while we are talking of house protection. They act just the same? Equal modality? Do you mean to say what the house lord can do, the karaka can as well, and vice versa? > > Your post is just the kind of stuff that is after my heart. And jyotish groups would do well to pull up their socks on its likes. They chill out in farther reaches, lights years away from healthful basics, gormandising on near noncomestibles. > > Please write back on Point Two. Thank you. > > RK > Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > dear Kiranji, > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of house lords in various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good results. > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be placed in 8th house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish tendencies, may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his livelihood. He becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not apply to Virgo and PISCES ascendants. > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal tendencies , yet he will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will fall in Lagna. > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the signification of the house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in own ,exaltation or friendly signs. > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the impact of malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will also protect the house. > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords are placed in these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with his own kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound health. > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will not be good for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he will be in habit to blame others. > Regards, > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > To Sreenadhji: > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in understanding on the same: > Please help me in doing so: > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the 8th house, Will it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in the period of the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause obstruction to the significations of the house only during the period of the malefic or during periods of the house lord also? > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, 6th lord in 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad significations of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house cause increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only good things of the house? > > Thanks > Kiran > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: Dear Venkittaraman ji, > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But in this > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the world > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum Sarvam, > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the inherent > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas are > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in our > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the potential > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. The > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam Pushpam > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, man > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial Ocean, > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives the > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with Mother > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the Primordial > Prana Shakti. > > With regards, > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > ==> > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > <== > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used the > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not resort to > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' (or call > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from which > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning the > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to understand > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. Veda > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open mind. > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is mentioned > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara Iti > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who is just > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power-Energy. > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But Agni > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different forms > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema Vardandtu > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are both > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this Srishti. > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms of > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these inner > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is very > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I could > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms and > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it interesting > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not concuss > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > questions > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology group. > The > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of puranas/ > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden meanings > of > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly inadequate. > The > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I have > seen > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses are > used > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple of > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > happened > > > before. > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > Vedangas. > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any conflict > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be taken > and > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; buddha, > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none disagrees > here. > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first line from > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana who > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether Brahma nor > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also not a > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for various > other > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for manas > (mind); > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there is not > one > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest enemy to > his > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra or Agni > or > > > Pushan, are > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe havirbhiH | > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAva t.h || > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > from Vishnu. > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the control, are > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of Brahman > (R.V > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense that > one > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form is > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > brahman, > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > omniscient?) . > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra beheading > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH shira > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in Taiitariya > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the control > of > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some call > it > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM ugraM > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be made > Rudra, > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had given the > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi etc. > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is the > Being > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born of Lord > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form of > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred in > puranas > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another mail. > That > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic injunctions > and > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri Vedavyasa > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and Saraswati. > > > > > > regards > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, rashmi patel > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > SARASWATIJI > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE DAUGHTERS > OF > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an illusion > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its > existence. > > > Be > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute reality is > > > the > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or Christianity. > This > > > is > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in history or > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism " is > the > > > only > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood their " ism " > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any specific > sect. > > > If > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in this > world > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of Avila, > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. Tryin > > > > > Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. > > Forgot the famous last words? Access your message archive online. > > > > > > Save all your chat conversations. 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Guest guest Posted December 14, 2007 Report Share Posted December 14, 2007 Dear RKDashji, Most welcome, you can correct and guide me if I am wrong in my way of looking at things. If anybody can enhance the quality of my taste buds so that I get the 'capacity' to relish any variety (like the anchor in Globe Trekker (Discovery channel) who visits different countries, tastes even the bittermost dish and say " Wow Delicious!! " , I am happy. After all variety is the spice of life:). So all varied inputs are welcome, I am trying my best to understand them. Regards, jyothi , rk dash <arkaydash wrote: > > Hey guys, > Let me drive in. I am not going to cruise like Sreeram though. > > 7th lord in 12th is in double jeopardy. One, lord kameswara is 6 steps away from his puram. Not a happy situation. Two, he/she is severed from destination: spouse. 12th is severence from 1st. > > Laxmiben is articulate but a little addled with regard to, say, how bad is 8th vis-a-vis 3rd? And she has a sensitive, discriminating palate which she thinks ALONE is ENOUGH for savouring far-flung variety, but I promise I'd feed her good, solid staple first. > > We'll revisit this, Sreeramgaru. > > RK > > > sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: > Dear Jyotiben, > Presume, I can also join this discussion in between !! with your permission. Going to the basics again, the Upachaya Lords improve the house where it is placed. However, other bhava planets going into this Upachaya houses get stuck !! Like our Delhi or Mumbai traffic jams. Now your experience of your observations in divorce cases, 7HL going to 12H does has its share of reasons for separation i.e. 7H- kama bhava lord going to 12H- a moksha & " vyaya " and is 6H from 7H....so controversies galore !! > 6HL going to 8H i.e. 3 houses from itself, indicates more hard work THAN 8HL going to 6H. 3HL going to 4H is still ok or satisfactory. Similarly for 12HL going to 3H is ok. But when 12HL is getting to 8H, then indicates more of spiritual nature/developments. Same holds good for 8HL going to 12H. [ I have left out public favorite Vipareet Raja Yogas,....etc.}. The HL going to 11H from itself always enhances or strengthens its bhava - is a thumb rule. So 8HL going to 6H is very good for longevity. > Surely there may be other factors for divorce in those respective charts, but limiting ourselves to 7H & 12H, Would like to know from your data bank, {depending upon the hororscope belongs to he or she}, taking a case of HE here, then 7H becomes SHE, so 7HL going to 12H means that SHE is asking / seeking / initiating / decided for divorce - when seen logically. If your data bank is huge, then simply give some statistics....i.e. guess-estimate as we call it in industry {gues-timate} > I have taken care not to use any Car analogy here !! " src= " http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/13.gif " width=18> > It would be great to learn from your experiences. > > > , " jyothi_b_lakshmi " <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote: > > Dear Ash, > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have known > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th is > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is it > only the 12th house? > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There can > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it not > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house here; > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > unless other wise forced by situation.) > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon exalted > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At least > that is what I have seen. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2007 Report Share Posted December 15, 2007 Dear RKDashj, Of course we have met:) and you are right about the venue. We had exchanged a mail or two (offline:)regarding an issue on which we had common opinion. I do check VA group too. I have great respect towards the VA group irrespective of the undesirable cycle of posts that happen(ed) sporadically. The VA group appeared infront of me as a grace of GOD when I was novice wondering about spiritual truths like Alice in Wonderland. A lot of intellectual discussions had happened there, which I used to enjoy thoroughy and now I wonder where all those humble scholars(Starting from PVRji there is a long list) have gone. A few of them are here, I realise. But still lots have absconded:) Regards, Jyothi , rk dash <arkaydash wrote: > > Jyotiben, > Have we met earlier in the cyberia? Probably at vedic astrology group? > > Right now the forum is having the Jovian beneficence from our adorable Goel Saab. He is doing the kind of stuff that is necessary for our brawn. We will grow our antennas for EET by and by. > > See the effects of my post of grateful appreciation (To Goel Saab) to Mr Goel. Here's thanking Goel Saab for sparing his time and energy. One 'swamiji' has popped in. Welcome. I wish he had surfaced earlier. To share. The contrast. Well, there was an argala axe to be ground. > > {EET= extra extra terrestrials} > > With loving regards, > RK > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: > Dear RKDashji, > > Most welcome, you can correct and guide me if I am wrong in my way of > looking at things. If anybody can enhance the quality of my taste > buds so that I get the 'capacity' to relish any variety (like the > anchor in Globe Trekker (Discovery channel) who visits different > countries, tastes even the bittermost dish and say " Wow Delicious!! " , > I am happy. > After all variety is the spice of life:). So all varied inputs are > welcome, I am trying my best to understand them. > > Regards, > jyothi > > , rk dash > <arkaydash@> wrote: > > > > Hey guys, > > Let me drive in. I am not going to cruise like Sreeram though. > > > > 7th lord in 12th is in double jeopardy. One, lord kameswara is 6 > steps away from his puram. Not a happy situation. Two, he/she is > severed from destination: spouse. 12th is severence from 1st. > > > > Laxmiben is articulate but a little addled with regard to, say, > how bad is 8th vis-a-vis 3rd? And she has a sensitive, discriminating > palate which she thinks ALONE is ENOUGH for savouring far-flung > variety, but I promise I'd feed her good, solid staple first. > > > > We'll revisit this, Sreeramgaru. > > > > RK > > > > > > sreeram srinivas <sreeram64@> wrote: > > Dear Jyotiben, > > Presume, I can also join this discussion in between !! with your > permission. Going to the basics again, the Upachaya Lords improve > the house where it is placed. However, other bhava planets going > into this Upachaya houses get stuck !! Like our Delhi or Mumbai > traffic jams. Now your experience of your observations in divorce > cases, 7HL going to 12H does has its share of reasons for separation > i.e. 7H- kama bhava lord going to 12H- a moksha & " vyaya " and is 6H > from 7H....so controversies galore !! > > 6HL going to 8H i.e. 3 houses from itself, indicates more hard > work THAN 8HL going to 6H. 3HL going to 4H is still ok or > satisfactory. Similarly for 12HL going to 3H is ok. But when 12HL > is getting to 8H, then indicates more of spiritual > nature/developments. Same holds good for 8HL going to 12H. [ I have > left out public favorite Vipareet Raja Yogas,....etc.}. The HL > going to 11H from itself always enhances or strengthens its bhava - > is a thumb rule. So 8HL going to 6H is very good for longevity. > > Surely there may be other factors for divorce in those respective > charts, but limiting ourselves to 7H & 12H, Would like to know > from your data bank, {depending upon the hororscope belongs to he or > she}, taking a case of HE here, then 7H becomes SHE, so 7HL going > to 12H means that SHE is asking / seeking / initiating / decided for > divorce - when seen logically. If your data bank is huge, then > simply give some statistics....i.e. guess-estimate as we call it in > industry {gues-timate} > > I have taken care not to use any Car analogy here !! " > src= " http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/13.gif " > width=18> > > It would be great to learn from your experiences. > > > > > > --- In , " jyothi_b_lakshmi " > <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote: > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have > known > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th > is > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is > it > > only the 12th house? > > > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There > can > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it > not > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house > here; > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > > unless other wise forced by situation.) > > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon > exalted > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At > least > > that is what I have seen. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now > > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Dear Jyoti, I was not sure when I saw your first 2-3 posts here. But on reading your response to my post, I picked up an old tone. Nice to be find you again. I remember your timely solidarity with me, there. As for V.A. group, well, it is a case of "kshaye punnye... (Gita)". A happening group, it was bound to attract rajasik people who you know do their kind of things. It is important for humble scholars, in charge of upkeep, to keep at bay uppity astro-savants. Prideful scholars soon get their share of cataract and lose vision. More later. With loving regards, RK jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: Dear RKDashj,Of course we have met:) and you are right about the venue. We had exchanged a mail or two (offline:)regarding an issue on which we had common opinion. I do check VA group too. I have great respect towards the VA group irrespective of the undesirable cycle of posts that happen(ed) sporadically. The VA group appeared infront of me as a grace of GOD when I was novice wondering about spiritual truths like Alice in Wonderland. A lot of intellectual discussions had happened there, which I used to enjoy thoroughy and now I wonder where all those humble scholars(Starting from PVRji there is a long list) have gone. A few of them are here, I realise. But still lots have absconded:)Regards,Jyothi--- In , rk dash <arkaydash wrote:>> Jyotiben,> Have we met earlier in the cyberia? Probably at vedic astrology group? > > Right now the forum is having the Jovian beneficence from our adorable Goel Saab. He is doing the kind of stuff that is necessary for our brawn. We will grow our antennas for EET by and by. > > See the effects of my post of grateful appreciation (To Goel Saab) to Mr Goel. Here's thanking Goel Saab for sparing his time and energy. One 'swamiji' has popped in. Welcome. I wish he had surfaced earlier. To share. The contrast. Well, there was an argala axe to be ground.> > {EET= extra extra terrestrials}> > With loving regards,> RK> > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:> Dear RKDashji,> > Most welcome, you can correct and guide me if I am wrong in my way of > looking at things. If anybody can enhance the quality of my taste > buds so that I get the 'capacity' to relish any variety (like the > anchor in Globe Trekker (Discovery channel) who visits different > countries, tastes even the bittermost dish and say "Wow Delicious!!", > I am happy.> After all variety is the spice of life:). So all varied inputs are > welcome, I am trying my best to understand them.> > Regards,> jyothi> > , rk dash > <arkaydash@> wrote:> >> > Hey guys, > > Let me drive in. I am not going to cruise like Sreeram though. > > > > 7th lord in 12th is in double jeopardy. One, lord kameswara is 6 > steps away from his puram. Not a happy situation. Two, he/she is > severed from destination: spouse. 12th is severence from 1st.> > > > Laxmiben is articulate but a little addled with regard to, say, > how bad is 8th vis-a-vis 3rd? And she has a sensitive, discriminating > palate which she thinks ALONE is ENOUGH for savouring far-flung > variety, but I promise I'd feed her good, solid staple first. > > > > We'll revisit this, Sreeramgaru.> > > > RK> > > > > > sreeram srinivas <sreeram64@> wrote:> > Dear Jyotiben,> > Presume, I can also join this discussion in between !! with your > permission. Going to the basics again, the Upachaya Lords improve > the house where it is placed. However, other bhava planets going > into this Upachaya houses get stuck !! Like our Delhi or Mumbai > traffic jams. Now your experience of your observations in divorce > cases, 7HL going to 12H does has its share of reasons for separation > i.e. 7H- kama bhava lord going to 12H- a moksha & "vyaya" and is 6H > from 7H....so controversies galore !! > > 6HL going to 8H i.e. 3 houses from itself, indicates more hard > work THAN 8HL going to 6H. 3HL going to 4H is still ok or > satisfactory. Similarly for 12HL going to 3H is ok. But when 12HL > is getting to 8H, then indicates more of spiritual > nature/developments. Same holds good for 8HL going to 12H. [ I have > left out public favorite Vipareet Raja Yogas,....etc.}. The HL > going to 11H from itself always enhances or strengthens its bhava - > is a thumb rule. So 8HL going to 6H is very good for longevity. > > Surely there may be other factors for divorce in those respective > charts, but limiting ourselves to 7H & 12H, Would like to know > from your data bank, {depending upon the hororscope belongs to he or > she}, taking a case of HE here, then 7H becomes SHE, so 7HL going > to 12H means that SHE is asking / seeking / initiating / decided for > divorce - when seen logically. If your data bank is huge, then > simply give some statistics....i.e. guess-estimate as we call it in > industry {gues-timate}> > I have taken care not to use any Car analogy here !! " > src=" " > width=18>> > It would be great to learn from your experiences. > > > > > > , "jyothi_b_lakshmi" > <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote:> > > > Dear Ash,> > > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have > known > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th > is > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is > it > > only the 12th house?> > > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There > can > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it > not > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house > here; > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > > unless other wise forced by situation.)> > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon > exalted > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At > least > > that is what I have seen. > > > > Regards,> > Jyothi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now> >> > > > > > > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. You name it, we have it.> Now you can chat without downloading messenger. Click here to know how. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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