Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Dear Kiran, Thanks for your attempt. No need of apologising for mistakes. That too, to me:). We will be swimming in mistakes if a genuine chart is given and asked to predict future events!!!! I dont know if we can outright say eye defects if 2nd lord is in dusthana. I have seen some charts with 2nd lord in 8th, whose natives dont have any eye defects. As sunilji said, luminaries and venus play an important role in deciding eye problems. Affliction to luminaries and venus without any benefic aspects can cause eye sight weakness. Another thing that I have observed is most of the people who have venus-sun combination, use specs, minor weakness. Regards, Jyothi , Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote: > > Dear Jyothiji, > > For eyesight see the 2nd house. 2nd house lord Moon is in 12th house - a dustana. > Going by house association, eyesight lord is in the house of loss - so loss of eyesight can be predicted. 2nd lord in dustana indicates eye disease, lack of knowledge, laughing stock before audience, committing mistakes in legal documents and troubles caused by the bad use of words. > So everything indicates eye disease/loss of eyesight. > > Moon is exalted in 12th house and as an exalted planet it should try and do benefic things. So that maybe the reason why it is poor eyesight and not loss of eyesight. > > For children, see the 5H. 5H lord as well as lord of house of gain Venus is in sustana in the 3rd house indicating gain of children, health and happiness to children when looked at from effect of 5H lord in sustana alone. There is benefic Jupiter aspect as well as malefic Saturn aspect on the 5th house. Malefic influence indicates disease to child while benefic indicates gain of child. > > Using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari, currently she has Jupiter MD. Childbirth around 3 years ago happened in Saturn AD. Looks like Jupiter MD gave benefic influence of child and Saturn AD gave the malefic disease. Further after birth of child, there is Ketu AD and Mercury AD (Mercury is the dustana 12 H lord) and all this combined must have caused harm to the child. > > I am a learner in astrology and so please forgive any mistakes that I might have made in this reading > > Regards > Kiran > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: Dear Ash, > > Here are the details of my cousin: > DOB: Oct 4th, 1977 > TOB: 12.05 am (past midnight, 00:05hrs in 24 hour format) > Place: Calicut > > Not only that she has a weak eyesight, her only son who is three > years old seems to be autistic. > > (Her Moon is not in 2nd, it is in 12th-exalted) > > Regards, > Jyothi > > , " Ash " <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > For my learning and should be comfortable, can you please let me > know, for > > your cousin who has Gemini lagna and Mo in 2nd house who has poor > eyesight, > > where is her Jupiter and the degree of Jupiter. Can you also tell > me the > > ayanamsa that you use to get the degree of Jupiter please. > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have > known > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th > is > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is > it > > only the 12th house? > > > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There > can > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it > not > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house > here; > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > > unless other wise forced by situation.) > > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon > exalted > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At > least > > that is what I have seen. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology , " Ash " <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > > chart is the > > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > > planets placed > > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > > placed in the > > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > > house > > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > > distinguish > > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > > things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > > karak sthan > > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > > spoilt then > > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we > generally > > say that > > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital > life > > will be > > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th > house > > of the > > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As > an > > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > > quality, I > > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > > not > > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > > the same > > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so > such > > a person > > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might > be > > given by > > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > > one is > > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > > answer your > > > questions below. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > > 10th is > > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career > of > > a person > > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > > in 9th so > > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > > house a > > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > > here such a > > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > > 9th lord > > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as > 12th > > from > > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > > more towards > > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > > now it > > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment > and > > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > > means that > > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will > trigger > > 12th > > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > > the antra > > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > > put in > > > less effort. > > > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > > effort and > > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u > get > > things > > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. > Both > > are on > > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in > 10th > > is > > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have > good > > > authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the > CEO > > of a > > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > > looses status > > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > > ruled by > > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > > lord in 12th > > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then > 6th > > house is > > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and > 3rd > > lord goes > > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable > to > > all > > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology > > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > > (http://www3. > > > <http://www3. > > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then > the > > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But > this > > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is > a > > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > > mail. " As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > > by > > > them gets enhanced. " > > > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't > the > > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Jyothi > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> > ps.com, " Ash " > > <kas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into > its > > > primary > > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > > 11th are > > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > > KAS, 12th > > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet > that > > > goes in > > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > > for quality. > > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > > quality > > > of 3rd > > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd > i.e. > > > in primary > > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority > from > > > 3rd and > > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > > say u are > > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd > house > > > becomes > > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > > timing job > > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more > than > > 4 > > > bindu (it > > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > > bindus means > > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite > aspect > > > so, say if > > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, > 5th > > > and 9th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at > the > > > cost of 3 > > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > > (which is > > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in > SAV), > > > so they > > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > > aspects > > > will be > > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more > than > > 4 > > > bindus > > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > > consider it > > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > > house with say > > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > > with -5 on > > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > > and > > > its > > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > > lord > > > in 12th > > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> > > ca> ca> > > http://www.ashtro. > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] > On Behalf > > Of > > > Gopal Goel > > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > > kiran.rama > > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > > house > > > lords in > > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > > results. > > > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > > placed in 8th > > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > > tendencies, > > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > > livelihood. He > > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not > apply > > > to Virgo > > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > > tendencies , yet he > > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will > fall > > > in Lagna. > > > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > > signification of the > > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > > own ,exaltation or > > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > > impact > > > of > > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > > also > > > protect > > > > the house. > > > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > > are > > > placed in > > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > > > Parasara says, " If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with > his > > > own > > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound > health. > > > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > > not > > > be good > > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > > will be in > > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in > understanding > > > on the > > > > same: > > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the > 8th > > > house, Will > > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in > the > > > period of > > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause > obstruction > > > to the > > > > significations of the house only during the period of the > malefic > > > or during > > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > > 6th lord in > > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > > significations > > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > > cause > > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only > good > > > things of > > > > the house? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But > in > > > this > > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the > world > > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > > Sarvam, > > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > > inherent > > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > > are > > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in > our > > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > > potential > > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > > The > > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says " YoApam > Pushpam > > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati " One who realises that > > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > > man > > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > > Ocean, > > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > > the > > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > > Mother > > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > > Primordial > > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > > ==> > > > > > " Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > > Poorvam > > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > > <== > > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > > the > > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not > resort > > > to > > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' > (or > > > call > > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from > which > > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning > the > > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > > understand > > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > > Veda > > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > > mind. > > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is > mentioned > > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; " Again it is said " Apo Naara > Iti > > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who > is > > > just > > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power- Energy. > > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But > Agni > > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > > forms > > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > > Vardandtu > > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > > both > > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this > Srishti. > > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > > of > > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > > inner > > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is > very > > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > > could > > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > > and > > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > > interesting > > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > > concuss > > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > > questions > > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > > group. > > > > The > > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > > puranas/ > > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > > meanings > > > > of > > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > > inadequate. > > > > The > > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > > have > > > > seen > > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > > are > > > > used > > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple > of > > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > > happened > > > > > > before. > > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > > Vedangas. > > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > > conflict > > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > > taken > > > > and > > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > > buddha, > > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > > disagrees > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first > line > > > from > > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > > who > > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether > Brahma > > > nor > > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > > not > > > a > > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for > various > > > > other > > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for > manas > > > > (mind); > > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there > is > > > not > > > > one > > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest > enemy > > > to > > > > his > > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra > or > > > Agni > > > > or > > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > > havirbhiH > > > | > > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM > vartirashvinAvirAva > > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the > control, > > > are > > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > > Brahman > > > > (R.V > > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > > that > > > > one > > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form > is > > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > > brahman, > > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra > beheading > > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > > shira > > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > > Taiitariya > > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > > control > > > > of > > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > > call > > > > it > > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > > ugraM > > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be > made > > > > Rudra, > > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had > given > > > the > > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > > etc. > > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is > the > > > > Being > > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born > of > > > Lord > > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > > of > > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred > in > > > > puranas > > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > > mail. > > > > That > > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > > injunctions > > > > and > > > > > > is also from the " rajasa " purana as mentioned by Shri > > > Vedavyasa > > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas " > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the " origins " of Lakshmi and > Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > . > > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > > DAUGHTERS > > > > OF > > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > . > > > > com > > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an > illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no " ism " for its > > > > existence. > > > > > > Be > > > > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute > > reality > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or > > > Christianity. > > > > This > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in > history > > > or > > > > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their " ism " > > is > > > > the > > > > > > only > > > > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood > > > their " ism " > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any > specific > > > > sect. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in > > this > > > > world > > > > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of > > > Avila, > > > > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. 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Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Luminaries i.e. Sun, Moon & Venus when placed in 2H or 12H can indicate eye sight. Why only Venus ?? Because Lord Vishnu in his Brahmin Avatar i.e. Vamana Avatar, after asking for the two boons, was about to ask for the third one, with each boon accepted, he was sprinkling the water from his " kamandal " , in the third case, Rishi Shukracharya, put himself into the eye of the kamadal, to which Lord Vishnu pierced it to ensure that the water flows out of the kamandal.....in this incident the eyes of the Rishi Shukracharya got damaged !! Planets placed in own house, would ensure that the eye sight does not deteriorate further or if afflicted can indicate squint eye. Eyesight becomes prominent during its dasha. Incase of Luminaries like Sun & Moon, it may be independent of dasha. Luminaries placement in 6H or 8H can also lead to MILD eye sight, in their dashas. Also note if they are with 6HL or 8HL or 11HL the eyesight can be medium. - again dasha related. 2HL if retrograde or afflicted by aspect {NOT by its placement in any upachaya or trik houses} of other malefics or malefic lords then, eye sight may surface during the dasha of 2HL. with regards, sreeram_srinivas , " jyothi_b_lakshmi " <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: Dear Kiran, Thanks for your attempt. No need of apologising for mistakes. That too, to me:). We will be swimming in mistakes if a genuine chart is given and asked to predict future events!!!! I dont know if we can outright say eye defects if 2nd lord is in dusthana. I have seen some charts with 2nd lord in 8th, whose natives dont have any eye defects. As sunilji said, luminaries and venus play an important role in deciding eye problems. Affliction to luminaries and venus without any benefic aspects can cause eye sight weakness. Another thing that I have observed is most of the people who have venus-sun combination, use specs, minor weakness. Regards, Jyothi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Hare ramakrishna. dear sreeram ji and jyothi ji . Thanks for the good storey by sreeram ji as many puranic storeys has astrological relevence and every purana has so many layers so each person will hav wealth of inforamtions and feed back and confirmation from jyothi ji . Jyothi ji rightly said kiran ji need not be apologestic but we lov to see his enthusiasm and the real wish to learn this great sastra .so nothing to worry and keep ur spirits high . with regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Luminaries i.e. Sun, Moon & Venus when placed in 2H or 12H can> indicate eye sight.> > Why only Venus ?? Because Lord Vishnu in his Brahmin Avatar i.e. Vamana> Avatar, after asking for the two boons, was about to ask for the third> one, with each boon accepted, he was sprinkling the water from his> "kamandal", in the third case, Rishi Shukracharya, put himself into the> eye of the kamadal, to which Lord Vishnu pierced it to ensure that the> water flows out of the kamandal.....in this incident the eyes of the> Rishi Shukracharya got damaged !!> > Planets placed in own house, would ensure that the eye sight does not> deteriorate further or if afflicted can indicate squint eye. Eyesight> becomes prominent during its dasha. Incase of Luminaries like Sun & > Moon, it may be independent of dasha.> > Luminaries placement in 6H or 8H can also lead to MILD eye sight, in> their dashas. Also note if they are with 6HL or 8HL or 11HL the> eyesight can be medium. - again dasha related.> > 2HL if retrograde or afflicted by aspect {NOT by its placement in any> upachaya or trik houses} of other malefics or malefic lords then, eye> sight may surface during the dasha of 2HL.> > with regards,> > sreeram_srinivas> > > , "jyothi_b_lakshmi"> jyothi_b_lakshmi@ wrote:> > Dear Kiran,> > Thanks for your attempt. No need of apologising for mistakes. That> too, to me:). We will be swimming in mistakes if a genuine chart is> given and asked to predict future events!!!!> > I dont know if we can outright say eye defects if 2nd lord is in> dusthana. I have seen some charts with 2nd lord in 8th, whose natives> dont have any eye defects. As sunilji said, luminaries and venus play> an important role in deciding eye problems. Affliction to luminaries> and venus without any benefic aspects can cause eye sight weakness.> Another thing that I have observed is most of the people who have> venus-sun combination, use specs, minor weakness.> > Regards,> Jyothi> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 2nd lord in dustana can spectacles problem. My 2nd Lord Sun is in 6th house alongwith Venus and I have spectacles. So your Sun-Venus theory is correct atleast in my case.I agree that 2nd lord in dustana need not cause spectacles all the time. For e.g. My sister has 2nd lord in sustana and she also wears spectaclesWas an interesting mail from Sreeramji:So following CAN BE INDICATORS of eye problem:2nd lord in dustanamalefics in 2nd house/aspecting 2nd houseSun-Venus combination in any houseSUn-Moon-Venus: any of these luminaries in dustana (6,8,12 houses)However if these planets are in exaltation, own house they will not yield bad results accruing from them for eyesightRegardskiranjyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: Dear Kiran, Thanks for your attempt. No need of apologising for mistakes. That too, to me:). We will be swimming in mistakes if a genuine chart is given and asked to predict future events!!!! I dont know if we can outright say eye defects if 2nd lord is in dusthana. I have seen some charts with 2nd lord in 8th, whose natives dont have any eye defects. As sunilji said, luminaries and venus play an important role in deciding eye problems. Affliction to luminaries and venus without any benefic aspects can cause eye sight weakness. Another thing that I have observed is most of the people who have venus-sun combination, use specs, minor weakness. Regards, Jyothi , Kiran R <kiran.rama wrote: > > Dear Jyothiji, > > For eyesight see the 2nd house. 2nd house lord Moon is in 12th house - a dustana. > Going by house association, eyesight lord is in the house of loss - so loss of eyesight can be predicted. 2nd lord in dustana indicates eye disease, lack of knowledge, laughing stock before audience, committing mistakes in legal documents and troubles caused by the bad use of words. > So everything indicates eye disease/loss of eyesight. > > Moon is exalted in 12th house and as an exalted planet it should try and do benefic things. So that maybe the reason why it is poor eyesight and not loss of eyesight. > > For children, see the 5H. 5H lord as well as lord of house of gain Venus is in sustana in the 3rd house indicating gain of children, health and happiness to children when looked at from effect of 5H lord in sustana alone. There is benefic Jupiter aspect as well as malefic Saturn aspect on the 5th house. Malefic influence indicates disease to child while benefic indicates gain of child. > > Using True Ayanamsa of Chandrahari, currently she has Jupiter MD. Childbirth around 3 years ago happened in Saturn AD. Looks like Jupiter MD gave benefic influence of child and Saturn AD gave the malefic disease. Further after birth of child, there is Ketu AD and Mercury AD (Mercury is the dustana 12 H lord) and all this combined must have caused harm to the child. > > I am a learner in astrology and so please forgive any mistakes that I might have made in this reading > > Regards > Kiran > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: Dear Ash, > > Here are the details of my cousin: > DOB: Oct 4th, 1977 > TOB: 12.05 am (past midnight, 00:05hrs in 24 hour format) > Place: Calicut > > Not only that she has a weak eyesight, her only son who is three > years old seems to be autistic. > > (Her Moon is not in 2nd, it is in 12th-exalted) > > Regards, > Jyothi > > , "Ash" <kas@> > wrote: > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > For my learning and should be comfortable, can you please let me > know, for > > your cousin who has Gemini lagna and Mo in 2nd house who has poor > eyesight, > > where is her Jupiter and the degree of Jupiter. Can you also tell > me the > > ayanamsa that you use to get the degree of Jupiter please. > > > > > > > > Thanking you, > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro.ca> http://www.ashtro.ca > > > > _____ > > > > > > On Behalf Of > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > Friday December 14, 2007 1:16 AM > > > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > Dear Ash, > > > > Well, I got your point. But what you say is against what I have > known > > so far. As per what I know, 12 is a Dusthana and so is its lord. I > > would like to know what you say of 12th lord, because you say 12th > is > > the most auspicious house. Is the 12th lord also auspicious or is > it > > only the 12th house? > > > > In my observation, what you said doesnt seem to fit well. For > > example, I have seen a number of divorce charts. In all of them one > > common placement that I have noticed is 7th lord in 12th. (There > can > > be other factors as well, but let us not consider that now). So > > according to what you say, the person should enjoy a good conjugal > > life as the 7th house results must be enhanced. Right? Why is it > not > > happening? (I hope you wont bring the car analogy of 4th house > here; > > Nobody really wishes to have an extra marital affair, I guess:), > > unless other wise forced by situation.) > > I have also seen my cousins chart who is Gemini Asc with Moon > exalted > > in 12th. As 2nd stands for eyes, its results must be enhanced. But > > her vision is very poor and without her high power lens she cannot > > see anything. I am not trying to contradict you, but only that I am > > not able to find the KAS theory true with respect to the charts I > > know. I can agree if you say that the results of the house owned by > > the planet in 12th will be negatively enhanced or affected. At > least > > that is what I have seen. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology , "Ash" <kas@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Please refer to me as Ash. > > > > > > > > > > > > 12th house of a chart and 12th from a house are different. > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th from 3rd house would be 2nd house and 12th house of the > > chart is the > > > 12th house which is fixed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So 12th house of a chart is the most auspicious house and any > > planets placed > > > in the 12th house would enhance the house ruled by them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Lets take an example of Aries lagna and let us assume Moon is > > placed in the > > > 12th house in pisces. So this would mean that the RESULTS of 4th > > house > > > would be enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, before I proceed any further let me emphasize that I > > distinguish > > > Quality of an event from Timing of Event. These are 2 different > > things. > > > > > > > > > > > > Quality of an event is controlled by the Status of the Karak > planet. > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, if 2nd house is spoilt (8th from any house is the > > karak sthan > > > and natural karak is from kal purush chart) so if the karak is > > spoilt then > > > the RESULTS of 7th house will be spoilt and as per VA we > generally > > say that > > > if Venus (natural 2nd lord if its spoilt then persons marital > life > > will be > > > spoilt). > > > > > > > > > > > > So now, here when I am saying that a planet is placed in 12th > house > > of the > > > chart, then the house ruled by that planet will get enhanced. As > an > > > analogy, to explain the difference between timing of event and > > quality, I > > > can say is that, assume a person's 4th house (timing of event) is > > not > > > powerful means he himself can't even own a car or a house but at > > the same > > > time but 4th lord is in 12th means the quality is enhanced, so > such > > a person > > > might enjoy a house and a car maybe not owned by him by it might > be > > given by > > > his company where he or she is working or maybe friends etc. So > > one is > > > quality and the other is timing of event. This is just an analogy. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So once we are clear with what I am trying to explain, I will > > answer your > > > questions below. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) 10th lord in 9th house means 10th house is loosing status. > > 10th is > > > karak for 3rd house i.e. Parakram, the reason we find the Career > of > > a person > > > from 10th house from lagna sun and moon. So now this 10th lord is > > in 9th so > > > its in 12th house from 10th, so its loosing status but its in 9th > > house a > > > Kona. 10th is physical plane and 9th is a spiritual plane. So > > here such a > > > person depends more on dharam, faith, luck etc. > > > > > > 2) The 9th lord when it goes in 10th house so that means that > > 9th lord > > > is in its dhan sthan, but the 10th house is getting spoilt as > 12th > > from > > > B=10th lord is now resident in 10th house. So such a person is > > more towards > > > dharm, more spiritual. 10th house means karma. > > > > > > 3) Now taking it one step ahead. 10th lord is in 9th house and > > now it > > > means that it is in 10th house from 12th the house of enjoyment > and > > > pleasures so if its with more power i.e more than 4 bindus which > > means that > > > itself and 7 planets are making a favorable yog so it will > trigger > > 12th > > > house and 4th house both are 2 of moksh triplicity. Means during > > the antra > > > of such a planet the person will be more lucky, and might have to > > put in > > > less effort. > > > > > > 4) 9th house is opposite of 3rd house. 3rd house is that of > > effort and > > > parakram and 9th is opposite of that so u say the house where u > get > > things > > > without putting in effort or in other words, lucky, fortunate. > Both > > are on > > > spiritual planes but 3rd is kama and 9th is dharma trikon. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, u are right, we say that 10th lord in 9th and 9th lord in > 10th > > is > > > dharma karma adipati yoga and a Raj Yog. > > > > > > > > > > > > Raj yog means one can have good status, have subordinates, have > good > > > authority. > > > > > > > > > > > > Now a spiritual person also might have lots of bhakts, and the > CEO > > of a > > > large company also might have lots of subordinates. Both have good > > > authority but there is a difference :-). > > > > > > > > > > > > So a planet in 12th house from the house it owns so that house > > looses status > > > and a planet when it is in 12TH HOUSE OFA CHART means the results > > ruled by > > > that planet is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually, as per VA, 8th lord in 12th, 6th lord in 12th and 3rd > > lord in 12th > > > are called VRY isn't it. So here if 6th lord goes in 12th then > 6th > > house is > > > enhanced, 8th lord goes in 12th then 8th house is enhanced and > 3rd > > lord goes > > > in 12th then 3rd house is enhanced, actually this is applicable > to > > all > > > houses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> > http://www.ashtro. > > <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology > > > [ancient_indian_ > > <%40> > > astrology ] On Behalf Of > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 11:51 PM > > > ancient_indian_ <% > 40> > > astrology > > > Re: To Ashji > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ashji, > > > > > > I was going through the articles posted in your web site. This is > > > what I understood from one of the articles. > > > (http://www3. > > > <http://www3. > > <http://www3.telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm> > > > telus.net/public/elijahn/Pages/TimingOfMarriage.htm) > > > > > > If the lord of bhava X is posited in the 12th sign from X, then > the > > > bhava X gets spoilt. Similarly, if a bhava lord is posited in the > > > 2nd sign from the bhava, then that 2nd bhava gets spoilt (because > > > 12th lord from it is posited there). > > > > > > If this is the case as per KAS, could you please tell me, how you > > > look at 10th lord posited in 9th and 9th lord posited in 10th > > > (exchange)? As per KAS, both the bhavas must get spoilt and the > > > native must have a miserable life (unfortunate, jobless?). But > this > > > exchange as far as I know, gives dharma karmadhipa yoga, which is > a > > > Raja Yoga. Please let me know your comments. > > > > > > Also this seems contradictory to what you wrote in the below > > > mail. "As per KAS, 12th house is considered the most auspicious > > > house and any planet that goes in 12th house then the house ruled > > by > > > them gets enhanced." > > > > > > If the 12th lord from Lagna is considered auspicious, why can't > the > > > 12th lord from a bhava be auspicious to that bhava? > > > > > > I hope I didnt go wrong in my understanding. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Jyothi > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> > ps.com, "Ash" > > <kas@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Kiran and Goel, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would also like to share my view. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord in 8th house would mean that 3rd lord has gone into > its > > > primary > > > > upachaya sthan. (6th and 10th are primary upachaya and 3rd and > > > 11th are > > > > secondary). So as Karak for 8th house (3rd is 8th from 3rd) is > > > enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3rd lord I 12th house can be viewed in 2 fold manner. As per > > > KAS, 12th > > > > house is considered the most auspicious house and any planet > that > > > goes in > > > > 12th house then the house ruled by them gets enhanced. This is > > > for quality. > > > > So 3rd lord in 12th house would mean that the RESULTS i.e. > > quality > > > of 3rd > > > > house is enhanced. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second part is that 3rd lord goes in the 10th house from 3rd > i.e. > > > in primary > > > > upachaya sthan. So again it goes into the house of Authority > from > > > 3rd and > > > > since its upachaya sthan then the meaning is growth, prosperity > > > heap. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now 3rd lord in 6th house, so here for 6th house under focus so > > > say u are > > > > timing event for Job or Authority, then for 10th house, 3rd > house > > > becomes > > > > primary upachaya and for 6th house under focus i.e. say u are > > > timing job > > > > then 3rd house becomes 10th from 6th. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding aspects, a benefic planet i.e. a planet with more > than > > 4 > > > bindu (it > > > > can be mars and Saturn as well - as long as it has more than 4 > > > bindus means > > > > its benefic) so such a planet will have equal and opposite > aspect > > > so, say if > > > > Jupiter has +5 bindus then its aspect will be with -5 on 7th, > 5th > > > and 9th > > > > house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So Jupiter will do good for the house it is placed it but at > the > > > cost of 3 > > > > other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Similarly, Mars and Saturn if they are with less than 4 bindus > > > (which is > > > > generally the case as Ma and Sa have only 39 bindus each in > SAV), > > > so they > > > > will be malefic for the house they are placed in but their > > aspects > > > will be > > > > beneficial on 3 other house. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A natural malefic in 6th house if it is there and with more > than > > 4 > > > bindus > > > > then its aspect will be beneific for quality but for timing we > > > consider it > > > > with equal and opposite so say if Mars is 6th lord and in 6th > > > house with say > > > > 5 bindus then for timing of event you consider the aspect to be > > > with -5 on > > > > 9th, 12th and 1st house but for quality, you double the points > > and > > > its > > > > aspect will enhance the quality of the house it aspects. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For your 3rd point, 6th lord in 6th, 8th lord in 8th and 12th > > lord > > > in 12th > > > > one must also consider the dual lord ships of the planets. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers !!! > > > > > > > > Ash -> <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro. > <http://www.ashtro.ca> > > ca> ca> > > http://www.ashtro. > > > <http://www.ashtro. <http://www.ashtro.ca> ca> ca > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > [ancient_indian_ > > > <%40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com] > On Behalf > > Of > > > Gopal Goel > > > > Wednesday December 12, 2007 4:53 AM > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com; > > kiran.rama > > > > Re: To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dear Kiranji, > > > > > > > > I may like to share my views on the queries raised by you : > > > > > > > > 1. Phaldeepica ch 6 gives nice indication about placement of > > house > > > lords in > > > > various houses.. Houses 1,2,4,5,7,9,10,and 11 are good houses. > > > > > > > > If their lords are placed in these houses , they yield good > > > results. > > > > > > > > Houses 3,6,8,and 12 are in bad category. If 3rd lord will be > > > placed in 8th > > > > house, will yield to bad results.The native will have thievish > > > tendencies, > > > > may be punished by authorities,will serve others for his > > > livelihood. He > > > > becomes the cause of his own death. These results will not > apply > > > to Virgo > > > > and PISCES ascendants. > > > > > > > > The native of Scorpio ascendant may have inborn criminal > > > tendencies , yet he > > > > will hide himself. Please remember , pada of 3rd house will > fall > > > in Lagna. > > > > > > > > Malefic 3L in 8th will give more problems. > > > > > > > > 2.Malefic if occupying or aspecting will obstruct the > > > signification of the > > > > house in its period , provided it is not Vargottama , in > > > own ,exaltation or > > > > friendly signs. > > > > > > > > House lord if well placed and strong will try to reduce the > > impact > > > of > > > > malefic association to the house.House Karka 's strength will > > also > > > protect > > > > the house. > > > > > > > > Kindly study Ch -10 of Jatak deshmarg by Somayaji. > > > > > > > > 3. 6 ,8 and 12 houses are negative houses , and if their lords > > are > > > placed in > > > > these houses , some negative results will also come to pass. > > > > > > > > Parasara says,"If 6L IN 6TH ,The native will have enmity with > his > > > own > > > > kinsmen and friendship with others,mediocre wealth, sound > health. > > > > > > > > Retrograde planets give chronic diseases.A weak 8L in 8th will > > not > > > be good > > > > for longevity, and its actions will bring dishonour to him, he > > > will be in > > > > habit to blame others. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL > > > > Ph: 09350311433 > > > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > > > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kiran R <kiran.rama@> > > > > To: ancient_indian_ <% > > 40> > > > astrology@grou <astrology%40> ps.com > > > > Wednesday, 12 December, 2007 10:24:46 AM > > > > To Sreenadhji: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadhji, > > > > > > > > I have a few doubts and I want to bridge my gaps in > understanding > > > on the > > > > same: > > > > Please help me in doing so: > > > > > > > > 1) If a house lord is in dustana: Say the 3rd lord is in the > 8th > > > house, Will > > > > it cause obstructions to the significations of the 3H only in > the > > > period of > > > > the 3rd lord or in the period of 8th lord also? > > > > > > > > 2) Will aspect/occupation of a house by malefic cause > obstruction > > > to the > > > > significations of the house only during the period of the > malefic > > > or during > > > > periods of the house lord also? > > > > > > > > 3) If a dustana lord is in his own house (e.g: 8th lord in 8th, > > > 6th lord in > > > > 6th, 12th lord in 12th), does it mean that both good and bad > > > significations > > > > of the house will be amplified. e.g: Will 8th lord in 8th house > > > cause > > > > increased longevity, large debts, many diseases and poverty? > > > > Or is it that house lord in his own house will amplify only > good > > > things of > > > > the house? > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > Kiran > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Venkittaraman ji, > > > > That was a beutiful, informative mail. Thanks. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Seenadhji, > > > > > Namaskaram. Your are obsalutely correct that Apa: is > > > > not mere water.Apa: is also not equilent to Jala or Naara.But > in > > > this > > > > sloka. in this particular referance the Narayana sabda, the > world > > > > Naara refers only to Apa in its full sense.i.e. Apo va idagum > > > Sarvam, > > > > Apa: plunanthu Prithvi, Vishva Bhootani Apa:, Prano va Apa: The > > > > inherant power in the water which is one in Pancha Bhootas. Who > > > > sleeps on the water is not somebody sleepin over it :but the > > > inherent > > > > power or Divinity in it. Apo vai sarva Devata: All the Devatas > > are > > > > in the water.It is a consolidated force capable of Creation, > > > > Sustinance and destruction. When we worshipl water in pot in > our > > > > vaidic poojas who ever may be the deity we proficiate the > > > potential > > > > Primordial power/ Divinity is worshiped in that form and name. > > The > > > > same is with Agni also. That is why the Veda says "YoApam > Pushpam > > > > Veda pushpavan Prajavan Pasuman Bhavati" One who realises that > > > > the water is the cretive energy-primordial force for > > > > > creation then he becomes the person of blossemed or realised, > > > man > > > > attainments, man of prosperity i.e. contentment. Primordial > > Ocean, > > > > the Milky Ocean represents Suddha Sathva Energy. Puranas gives > > the > > > > entire thing in a beautiful descrilption Sriman Narayan with > > > Mother > > > > Lakshmi,daughter o;f the ocean, sleeps on Adi Sesha the > > Primordial > > > > Prana Shakti. > > > > > With regards, > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog@ > wrote: > > > > > Dear Venkataraman ji, > > > > > ==> > > > > > "Apo Naara Iti Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan > > > Poorvam > > > > Tena Naryana Smritih: Apa means Water. > > > > > <== > > > > > Apa is NOT water - if it was mere water they would have used > > the > > > > word 'Jala' or some other synonym for water, but will not > resort > > > to > > > > the consistent use of the word 'Apa'. In a better way - 'Apa' > > > > means 'Primordial ocean' or the 'stuff of primordial occean' > (or > > > call > > > > it higgs ocean in modern terms). It is the ocean/water from > which > > > > everything sprouts - i.e. life, cosmic spears, and the universe > > > > itself. 'Apa' and 'Nara' are interchangeable words - meaning > the > > > > same, pointing to the same 'primordial occean'. > > > > > Love and regards, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ <% > > > 40> > > > > astrology, Venkataraman Hari > > > > <venkataraman_ hari@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear sir, > > > > > > You are quite correct in a way. Wben we read or try to > > > understand > > > > Vedic hims we should not confuse ourselves with Puranic Stores. > > > Veda > > > > fully speaks in a cosmic form. To understand we require an > > > > extraordinary understanding power and unbiased views and open > > > mind. > > > > Where ever Narayana Sabda or the name of the Vishnu is > mentioned > > > > there the All pervading aspect of Brahman or Supreme Power is > > > > described.Vyapakatv at Vishnu ; "Again it is said "Apo Naara > Iti > > > > Prokta Apovai Narasoonavah: Tayatasyayanan Poorvam Tena Naryana > > > > Smritih: Apa means Water. From water every thing sprouts.. Who > is > > > just > > > > sleeping on it is Narayana. Water is energising Power- Energy. > > > > Agnerapa: from fire the water came- says the Upanishad. But > Agni > > > > evaporate Water and Water subsides Agni. Both are the different > > > forms > > > > of all pervading energy. Veda says Agna Vishno Sajoshadema > > > Vardandtu > > > > magirah: Here Agni denotes Sri Rudra and Rudra and Vlishnu are > > > both > > > > identical just like two sides of a coin. Both are > > > > > > all pervading and intruding in to every atom of this > Srishti. > > > > That is why Vishnu is considered on of the Ekadasa/Eleven forms > > of > > > > Sri Rudra. and Rudra is an another aspect of All pervading Sri > > > > Vishnu. Veda uses these names when ever and where ever these > > inner > > > > aspects of these name are useful to explain things. This is > very > > > > difficult to understand and explain clearly. I fear whether I > > > could > > > > explain or convey what I am able to understand. When you go to > > > > Puranas , I am not talking about Itihasas, they attribute forms > > > and > > > > qualities to various names in the Vedas just to make it > > > interesting > > > > and convey a particular ;message to common man. We should not > > > concuss > > > > ourselves.This is my humble opini;on. With regards. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hari Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dollarmoni sriram.nayak@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rashmikantji, > > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry for my longish mail.IMHO please desist from asking > > > > questions > > > > > > that have origin in veda/puranas/ shastras to an astrology > > > group. > > > > The > > > > > > reason I am saying that is, though study/ knowledge of > > > puranas/ > > > > > > ithihasas do help an astrologer to decipher the hidden > > > meanings > > > > of > > > > > > planetary positions, their stastric study is mostly > > > inadequate. > > > > The > > > > > > replies to your mail from many is a clear indicator and I > > have > > > > seen > > > > > > this happening in all astrology groups. > > > > > > > > > > > > As wrong knowledge is being propogated by many, and guesses > > > are > > > > used > > > > > > on stastric knowledge, I thought of just posting a couple > of > > > > > > indicators on this matter based on similar ones that have > > > > happened > > > > > > before. > > > > > > All schools place Vedas above Puranas, itihAsa and other > > > > Vedangas. > > > > > > This is because Vedas are apaurusheya. In case of any > > conflict > > > > > > between the Vedas and any other text, the former are to be > > > taken > > > > and > > > > > > others,for, being paurusheya (let the author be anybody; > > > buddha, > > > > > > krishna, chaitanya), are to be discarded. I hope none > > > disagrees > > > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Vedas do talk of Vishnu's supremacy.Ofcourse, the first > line > > > from > > > > > > Mahopanishad is there: > > > > > > eko nArayaNa AsInna brahmA neshAno nAgnIshomau neme > > > > > > dyAvapR^ithivI | This clearly says that it is Lord Narayana > > > who > > > > > > existed at that point of time, when there was niether > Brahma > > > nor > > > > > > Shiva, Agni, Chandra, these heavens and earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > The very appearance of other deities being praised is also > > not > > > a > > > > > > hindrance; other Gods are indeed to be worshipped for > various > > > > other > > > > > > benefits. For example,Shiva is the abhimAni-devatA for > manas > > > > (mind); > > > > > > unless the kind Lord of Uma showers his benefience, there > is > > > not > > > > one > > > > > > chance that a man will be able to convert his bitterest > enemy > > > to > > > > his > > > > > > best friend. However, these devatAs, be it Shiva or Indra > or > > > Agni > > > > or > > > > > > Pushan, are > > > > > > all substitutes to Vishnu, who is Brahman. > > > > > > > > > > > > Consider this from RgVeda (7th Mandala): > > > > > > asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viShNoreShasya prabhR^ithe > > havirbhiH > > > | > > > > > > vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM > vartirashvinAvirAva > > > t.h || > > > > > > > > > > > > This one clearly says that Rudra got his 'rudratva' > > > > > > from Vishnu. > > > > > > So, why not conclude that it is Narayana whose > > > > > > different forms are Brahma, Shiva, Agni, Surya etc, > > > > > > just like Rama and Krishna are? The reason is again in > > > > > > the scriptures. These other Gods are said to be the > control, > > > are > > > > > > said to be born and even die, are said to be afraid of > > Brahman > > > > (R.V > > > > > > 2.38.9, Taittiriya Upanishad 2-8). It is plain common sense > > > that > > > > one > > > > > > is not afraid of oneself. It cannot be even that one form > is > > > > > > ignorant of other (how can that be, if they are all 'pUrNa' > > > > brahman, > > > > > > that is praised in the muNDakopanishat as 'sarvaj~naH' > > > > omniscient?) . > > > > > > Consider kAThaka araNyaka 206. This relates to Indra > beheading > > > > > > Rudra ('etadrudrasya dhanuH | rudrasyatveva dhanurArtniH > > shira > > > > > > utpipeSha | sa pravargyo.abhavat. h'). This appears in > > > Taiitariya > > > > > > Aranyaka also. All these deities are said to be under the > > > control > > > > of > > > > > > ambhraNI ( Lakshmi devi) , the seer of ambhraNI sUkta (some > > > call > > > > it > > > > > > devI sUkta): ahaM rudrebhir vasubhir .... yaM kAmaye taM > > ugraM > > > > > > kR^iNomi taM brahmANaM taM R^iShiM taM sumedhaM. > > > > > > Here, Lakshmi says that whomsoever she pleases, will be > made > > > > Rudra, > > > > > > Brahma, a sage or a wiseman. She proclaims that she had > given > > > the > > > > > > bow to Rudra to cut off one of the five heads of Brahma (for > > > > > > chanting a Vedic verse wrongly): ahaM rudrAya dhanurAtanomi > > > etc. > > > > > > Later, the same lady says that thesource of her powers is > the > > > > Being > > > > > > on the ocean (mama yoni apsu antaH samudre) > > > > > > > > > > > > Lakshmi is ajanma. She is a nitya chetana. Brahma is born > of > > > Lord > > > > > > Padmanabha and saraswati is Kriti-Pradyumnas ( another form > > of > > > > > > Lakshmi-Narayana) daughter and is Brahmas wife. ( referred > in > > > > puranas > > > > > > as chaturavadana rani). > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw some quote from Devi Bhagavata provided in another > > mail. > > > > That > > > > > > has to be discarded as the quote goes agains vedic > > injunctions > > > > and > > > > > > is also from the "rajasa" purana as mentioned by Shri > > > Vedavyasa > > > > > > himself, the 'organiser of vedas" > > > > > > > > > > > > I trust this clarifies the "origins" of Lakshmi and > Saraswati. > > > > > > > > > > > > regards > > > > > > sriram nayak > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > . > > > > com, rashmi patel > > > > > > rashmihpatel@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PLEASE CAN ANYONE TELL ME THE PARENTS NAME OF LAXMIJI & > > > > SARASWATIJI > > > > > > > I HAD GUEST IN MY HOUSE FROM CALCUTTA SAYING THEY ARE > > > DAUGHTERS > > > > OF > > > > > > SHIV-PARVATI, MEANING SISTERS OF GANESH & KARTIK. > > > > > > > PLEASE TELL ME > > > > > > > > > > > > > > THANKS > > > > > > > RASHMIKANT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ > > > > <%40> astrology@ > > > . > > > > com > > > > > > > Saturday, December 8, 2007 7:41:37 AM > > > > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Time - an > illusion > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sir, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I totally agree with you. Truth needs no "ism" for its > > > > existence. > > > > > > Be > > > > > > > it Shavism or Vaishnavism or any other ism. Absolute > > reality > > > is > > > > > > the > > > > > > > same in all religions, be it Islam, Hinduism or > > > Christianity. > > > > This > > > > > > is > > > > > > > a fact everybody knows. One need not be a pandit in > history > > > or > > > > > > > scriptures to know all these. If anybody says their "ism" > > is > > > > the > > > > > > only > > > > > > > one way to realise GOD, then they havent understood > > > their "ism" > > > > > > > properly. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Experiencing the absolute is not a monopoly of any > specific > > > > sect. > > > > > > If > > > > > > > it was, we wouldnt have had so many enlightened ones in > > this > > > > world > > > > > > > that too from different religions and sects. St.Tresa of > > > Avila, > > > > > > > Budha, Sufi saints are all examples. 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