Guest guest Posted October 23, 2007 Report Share Posted October 23, 2007 Dear Kaul ji, ==> I am just a learner keeping my views before everybody who cares to listen! In fact, it is just a brain-storming exercise and I have learnt a lot from the same, irrespective of the fact whether the readers/respondents have learnt anything from my posts/articles etc. or they have deliberately evaded the issue! <== That is a beautiful paragraph!! I liked it a lot and agree to it completely. But Kaul ji don't make us boared with your personal story repeating it again and again - I already heard it a hundred time I think.. ) Another thing - again, please avoid forwards. Note: We may need your help, or extract the same, as and when we discuss Epic and Puranic astrology. But think I know the trick to extract the information related to the same from you.. Love, Sreenadh , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " <jyotirved wrote: > > hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul " > <jyotirved@> wrote: > > Dr. Anand M. Sharanji, > Namaskar! > <Possibly, these arise because he does not appear to be a lawyer or a > researcher ( I do not want to say that he has not studied the Hindu > religion or Sanskrit or Scriptures ) but has NOT mastered the art of > proving things. The result is that he presents the issues in a very > diffuse form.> > > It is a fact that I am neither a scholar nor a scientist, least of > all a lawyer! I am just a learner keeping my views before everybody > who cares to listen! In fact, it is just a brain-storming exercise > and I have learnt a lot from the same, irrespective of the fact > whether the readers/respondents have learnt anything from my > posts/articles etc. or they have deliberately evaded the issue! > > The summary of my journey is as follows: > > 1. To start with I was an ardent believer in Grahalaghava and then > Lahiri Rashichakra and Lahiri phalit-jyotish because everybody > believed in them! I also celebrated Lahiri festivals since the > Rashtriya panchanga and even Benaras Hindu University were asking us > to do so! How could such authorities be wrong, after all! > > 2. However, the Report of the Saha Calendar Reform Committee pointed > out that our ancestors were celebrating their festivals not as per > Grahalaghava etc. Rashichakra but as per Sayana Rashichakra i.e. > Vishuva (Spring Equinox) was another name of Mesha Sankranti-cum- > Vaishakha Sankranti and so on according to our ancestors. > Accordingly, those ancestors were supposed to have named Spring > Equinox as Vedic Mesha, though, as we shall see, there are no rashis > in the Vedas!!! You can witness this fact (of Vedic Sayana Mesha > etc. Rashis from the Rashtirya Panchanga even today! > > The same thing was confirmed by S B Dikshit in his magnum > opus " Bharaitya Jyotisha " and several other scholars--- > that there were no nirayana rashis in olden times! Dikshit had even > been publishing his own sayana panchanga with sayana rashis as the > real Mesha Sankrntis etc. He had also clubbed Ashvini etc. > nakshatras with those Sayana Rashis! After reading all those books > and papers,I pleaded for the same through my panchangas and various > articles and posts and papers etc. etc. that we must follow a > Sayana Rashichakra and also club Ashvini etc. nakshatras with Sayana > Mesha Sankranti for predcitve astrology as well as our festivals! > > 3. To my surprise, on a scrutiny of all the Vedas etc., I found > that as pointed out by Diskhit and CRC Report and innumerable other > scholars, there were no Mesha etc. Rashis in the Vedas, the Vedanga > Jyotisha, the Pitamaha Sidhanta etc. Surprisingly, the nakshatra- > chakra started in the Vedas and the Vedanga Jyotisha etc. from > Krittika instead of Ashvini etc. > Similarly, there is no metnion of much dreaded Mangal, Shani etc. > planets there! These (Mesha etc. rashis and Mangal, Shani etc. > planets) were mentioned for the first time in the Surya Sidhanta of > the Panchasidhantika! > Vishnu Purana, Bhagavata, Devi Purana, Shiva Purana, > Vishnudharmotarapurana etc. etc also have said that Utttarayana > (Winter Solstice) is a synonym of Makar Rashi and so on but > surprisingly all these puranas also, wherever any nakshatras have > been mentioned, started nakshatra-chakra from Krittika! > > It was thus a double jeopardy! There could not have been any > predctive gimmicks---at least no rashi based predictive gimmicks--- > in the Vedic period since there were no Mesha etc. Rashis nor > Mangal,Shani etc. planets there! The calendar followed by the Vedic > Rishis was based on Madhu, Madhava etc. months and Uttarayana, > Dakshinayana etc. phenomena though the nakshatras started from > krittika! > > 4. I had thus to study all the prominent sidhantas also! To my > surprise, as against the hue and cry of ayanamsha by " Vedic > jyotishis " on the basis of sidhantas, none of the sidhantas knew > anything about precession! This has been confiremd by Alberuni in > his " India " . It was sheer folly and fraud on the part of the Surya > Sidhanta to advise us to club Mesha Sankranti with Vishuva (Vernal > Equinox) and simultaneously with Ashvini nakshatra even at the > beginning of the so called Satya-yuga and then last of all > Kaliyuga! This very fraud is still continuing! > > <Now, let us take the issue of Hindu Calendar Reform which appears to > be his primary issue unless his attack on Jyotishis is primary. The > third issue which has come out from his attacks on the Jyotishis is > his belief of lack of astronomical knowledge of our ancestors which > people in other parts of the world had -in comparable times.> > > > 5. My position as on date is that we have to select either of the > two i.e. either rashis---whether nirayana or sayana---or refroming > our calendar because if we select the so called sayana rashis, we > cannot club Ashvini etc. nakshatras with them ---as was done by S. > B. Dikshit a couple of centuries back and as is being by some " semi- > sayana-Vedic-jytosihsis " of today like " Sayana overseas tapasvini " > and a " General Secretary " of a so called " Akhila Bharatiya Panchanga > Sudhara Samiti " ! > And if we select the so called nirayana rashis, whether Lahiri or > Raman or Muladhara or Fagan etc. etc., we cannot club Madhu, > Maadhava etc. months with them! AND SINCE PHALIT JYOTISH OF ANY > TYPE---WHETHER SAYANA OR NIRAYANA---CANNOT SURVIVE WITHOUT RASHIS, > IT MEANS WE HAVE TO GET RID OF PHALIT JYOTISH COMPLETELY, (WHICH WAS > THRUST ON US BY GRECHO-CHALDEAN " SCHOLARS " ) if we want to streamline > our calendars! > > 6. These are my findings as on date and accordingly there could be > no predictive gimmicks either in the Mahabharata or the Ramayana > since our Rishis like Vedavyasa or Valmiki etc. could never have > clubbed Ashvini etc. nakshatras with sayana rashis nor Madhu, > Madhava etc. months with nirayana rashis! > > Since there is absoultely no possibility of any sidahntakara, prior > to Munjala of tenth centruy, knowing anything about precession, the > ayanamsha myth also has come into existence only after Munjala's > Laghu-Manasa JUST TO JUSTIFY, BY HOOK OR BY CROOK, THE MONSTROUS AND > ABSOLUTELY WRONG PLANETARY DATA OF THE SURYA SIDHANTA BY MAYA THE > MLECHHA! > > <By his vehement criticisms of things, he has brought new knowledge > to us which are very difficult to get otherwise.> > > I am glad that my studies have been of any use to some members. But > any " new knowledge " is meaningless unless put to use practically! > > <If he wants a reform of Hindu Calendar then he has to bring it one > by one, and also listen to what others are saying and not ignore > them (as he does ) when presenting his arguments> > > I have just explained that initially I was also following nirayana > and then later sayana rashis and clubbing both of them with Ashvini > etc. nakshatras! The incompatibility of Sayana rashis with > nakshatras was pointed out by Shri Paul Kekai Manansala in > Indiaarchaeoloogy forum! He had said that when our Vedic Rishis > talked of nakshatras, they were not talking of imaginary nakshatras > of the so called sayana rashis but of the real group of stars of > that name! Mr. Manansala's pointing out such a monstrosity of > juxtaposing ashivini etc. nakshatras with the sayana rashis was a > turning point for me! It became crystal clear to me as to why the > efforts of reformists of Hindu calendars like Dikshit and even Saha > Calendar Reform Committee etc. over the last at least two centuries > had not met with success! All of them had placed their fingers on > the disease by discarding the so called nirayana rashi-chakra for > festivals but then they committed the folly of clubbing Ashvini etc. > nakshatras with the same i.e. Sayana rashis! Thus the treatment wss > wrose than the disease! IN OTHER WRODS, WE HAVE TO DISCARD BOTH THE > TYPES OF RASHICHAKRAS! > > I must put on record that I have deliberately chosen this thankless > and onerous task of reforming the calendar even at the cost of going > against the tide since I know that none of the scholars wants to > touch such unpleasant topics and displease the so called custodians > of dharma who are actually cowards and ignorant of the frauds that > are being committed on the unsuspecting Hindu community! It could > also be a possibility that those " dharmacharyas " themselves are > absolutely clueless about such frauds but they are hypnotized by > phalit-jyotish since maybe they are themselves dependent on > jhytosihis, instead of their tapasya, for knowing their own > bhavishya! This is substantiated by the unpleasant fact that > these " dharmachayas " are the ones who preisde on ceremonies > where " Varahamihira " or " Abhianva-Parashara " awards/titles are being > given to " Vedic astrologers " ! > I was myself given a Nostrodums Award for correct predictions by a > renowened Jagaguru way back in 1993 for correct predictions through > Secondary Progressions and Tropical signs --- a complete Western > system---Grecho-Chaldean one -- which I was following then under > the confusion that that was the real " Vedic astrology " , when > actually there are no predictive gimmicks in the Vedas or even in > the Puranas! > With regards, > Avtar Krishen Kaul > hinducivilization , " amsharanx " > <amsharanx@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > There is hardly any post from HinduCalendar forum that has been > > > forwarded to this forum, though actually I feel personally that > > > streamlining the Vedic calendar should be the moral duty of > every > > > Hindu! But maybe nobody wants to touch that thankless task even > > > with a barge pole! On the other hand, most of the scholars just > > > want to prove the accuracy/veracity of their presumed dates of > the > > > Mahabharata war or the date of birth of Bhagwan Ram etc. etc., > which > > > range, according to them, from 1000 BC to 7600 BC whereas it is > > > said that the Ramasetu is about 1.7 million years old! > > > > > > I think Shree Kauljee mixes things up, and does not state things in > > brief and with clarity - that is why things go - on and on. He does > > not separate things or issues - this also causes another problem. > > > > Possibly, these arise because he does not appear to be a lawyer or > a > > researcher ( I do not want to say that he has not studied the Hindu > > religion or Sanskrit or Scriptures ) but has NOT mastered the art > of > > proving things. The result is that he presents the issues in a very > > diffuse form. > > > > Now, let us take the issue of Hindu Calendar Reform which appears > to > > be his primary issue unless his attack on Jyotishis is primary. The > > third issue which has come out from his attacks on the Jyotishis > is – > > his belief of lack of astronomical knowledge of our ancestors which > > people in other parts of the world had -in comparable times. > > > > Over all, I find his concepts mind boggling. In spite of being a > very > > learned person - his ideas are not going any where. > > > > By his vehement criticisms of things, he has brought new knowledge > to > > us which are very difficult to get otherwise. > > > > If he wants a reform of Hindu Calendar then he has to bring it one > by > > one, and also listen to what others are saying and not ignore them > ( > > as he does ) when presenting his arguments. > > > > Thanks. > > > > Anand M. 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