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Dear Kaul ji,

==>

I am just a learner keeping my views before everybody

who cares to listen! In fact, it is just a brain-storming exercise

and I have learnt a lot from the same, irrespective of the fact

whether the readers/respondents have learnt anything from my

posts/articles etc. or they have deliberately evaded the issue!

<==

That is a beautiful paragraph!! I liked it a lot and agree to it

completely.

But Kaul ji don't make us boared with your personal story repeating

it again and again - I already heard it a hundred time I think.. :))

Another thing - again, please avoid forwards. :)

 

Note: We may need your help, or extract the same, as and when we

discuss Epic and Puranic astrology. But think I know the trick to

extract the information related to the same from you.. ;)

Love,

Sreenadh

 

, " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

<jyotirved wrote:

>

> hinducivilization , " Avtar Krishen Kaul "

> <jyotirved@> wrote:

>

> Dr. Anand M. Sharanji,

> Namaskar!

> <Possibly, these arise because he does not appear to be a lawyer or

a

> researcher ( I do not want to say that he has not studied the Hindu

> religion or Sanskrit or Scriptures ) but has NOT mastered the art

of

> proving things. The result is that he presents the issues in a very

> diffuse form.>

>

> It is a fact that I am neither a scholar nor a scientist, least of

> all a lawyer! I am just a learner keeping my views before

everybody

> who cares to listen! In fact, it is just a brain-storming exercise

> and I have learnt a lot from the same, irrespective of the fact

> whether the readers/respondents have learnt anything from my

> posts/articles etc. or they have deliberately evaded the issue!

>

> The summary of my journey is as follows:

>

> 1. To start with I was an ardent believer in Grahalaghava and then

> Lahiri Rashichakra and Lahiri phalit-jyotish because everybody

> believed in them! I also celebrated Lahiri festivals since the

> Rashtriya panchanga and even Benaras Hindu University were asking

us

> to do so! How could such authorities be wrong, after all!

>

> 2. However, the Report of the Saha Calendar Reform Committee

pointed

> out that our ancestors were celebrating their festivals not as per

> Grahalaghava etc. Rashichakra but as per Sayana Rashichakra i.e.

> Vishuva (Spring Equinox) was another name of Mesha Sankranti-cum-

> Vaishakha Sankranti and so on according to our ancestors.

> Accordingly, those ancestors were supposed to have named Spring

> Equinox as Vedic Mesha, though, as we shall see, there are no

rashis

> in the Vedas!!! You can witness this fact (of Vedic Sayana Mesha

> etc. Rashis from the Rashtirya Panchanga even today!

>

> The same thing was confirmed by S B Dikshit in his magnum

> opus " Bharaitya Jyotisha " and several other scholars---

> that there were no nirayana rashis in olden times! Dikshit had

even

> been publishing his own sayana panchanga with sayana rashis as the

> real Mesha Sankrntis etc. He had also clubbed Ashvini etc.

> nakshatras with those Sayana Rashis! After reading all those books

> and papers,I pleaded for the same through my panchangas and various

> articles and posts and papers etc. etc. that we must follow a

> Sayana Rashichakra and also club Ashvini etc. nakshatras with

Sayana

> Mesha Sankranti for predcitve astrology as well as our festivals!

>

> 3. To my surprise, on a scrutiny of all the Vedas etc., I found

> that as pointed out by Diskhit and CRC Report and innumerable other

> scholars, there were no Mesha etc. Rashis in the Vedas, the Vedanga

> Jyotisha, the Pitamaha Sidhanta etc. Surprisingly, the nakshatra-

> chakra started in the Vedas and the Vedanga Jyotisha etc. from

> Krittika instead of Ashvini etc.

> Similarly, there is no metnion of much dreaded Mangal, Shani etc.

> planets there! These (Mesha etc. rashis and Mangal, Shani etc.

> planets) were mentioned for the first time in the Surya Sidhanta of

> the Panchasidhantika!

> Vishnu Purana, Bhagavata, Devi Purana, Shiva Purana,

> Vishnudharmotarapurana etc. etc also have said that Utttarayana

> (Winter Solstice) is a synonym of Makar Rashi and so on but

> surprisingly all these puranas also, wherever any nakshatras have

> been mentioned, started nakshatra-chakra from Krittika!

>

> It was thus a double jeopardy! There could not have been any

> predctive gimmicks---at least no rashi based predictive gimmicks---

> in the Vedic period since there were no Mesha etc. Rashis nor

> Mangal,Shani etc. planets there! The calendar followed by the

Vedic

> Rishis was based on Madhu, Madhava etc. months and Uttarayana,

> Dakshinayana etc. phenomena though the nakshatras started from

> krittika!

>

> 4. I had thus to study all the prominent sidhantas also! To my

> surprise, as against the hue and cry of ayanamsha by " Vedic

> jyotishis " on the basis of sidhantas, none of the sidhantas knew

> anything about precession! This has been confiremd by Alberuni in

> his " India " . It was sheer folly and fraud on the part of the Surya

> Sidhanta to advise us to club Mesha Sankranti with Vishuva (Vernal

> Equinox) and simultaneously with Ashvini nakshatra even at the

> beginning of the so called Satya-yuga and then last of all

> Kaliyuga! This very fraud is still continuing!

>

> <Now, let us take the issue of Hindu Calendar Reform which appears

to

> be his primary issue unless his attack on Jyotishis is primary. The

> third issue which has come out from his attacks on the Jyotishis

is

> his belief of lack of astronomical knowledge of our ancestors which

> people in other parts of the world had -in comparable times.>

>

>

> 5. My position as on date is that we have to select either of the

> two i.e. either rashis---whether nirayana or sayana---or refroming

> our calendar because if we select the so called sayana rashis, we

> cannot club Ashvini etc. nakshatras with them ---as was done by S.

> B. Dikshit a couple of centuries back and as is being by some " semi-

> sayana-Vedic-jytosihsis " of today like " Sayana overseas tapasvini "

> and a " General Secretary " of a so called " Akhila Bharatiya

Panchanga

> Sudhara Samiti " !

> And if we select the so called nirayana rashis, whether Lahiri or

> Raman or Muladhara or Fagan etc. etc., we cannot club Madhu,

> Maadhava etc. months with them! AND SINCE PHALIT JYOTISH OF ANY

> TYPE---WHETHER SAYANA OR NIRAYANA---CANNOT SURVIVE WITHOUT RASHIS,

> IT MEANS WE HAVE TO GET RID OF PHALIT JYOTISH COMPLETELY, (WHICH

WAS

> THRUST ON US BY GRECHO-CHALDEAN " SCHOLARS " ) if we want to

streamline

> our calendars!

>

> 6. These are my findings as on date and accordingly there could be

> no predictive gimmicks either in the Mahabharata or the Ramayana

> since our Rishis like Vedavyasa or Valmiki etc. could never have

> clubbed Ashvini etc. nakshatras with sayana rashis nor Madhu,

> Madhava etc. months with nirayana rashis!

>

> Since there is absoultely no possibility of any sidahntakara,

prior

> to Munjala of tenth centruy, knowing anything about precession, the

> ayanamsha myth also has come into existence only after Munjala's

> Laghu-Manasa JUST TO JUSTIFY, BY HOOK OR BY CROOK, THE MONSTROUS

AND

> ABSOLUTELY WRONG PLANETARY DATA OF THE SURYA SIDHANTA BY MAYA THE

> MLECHHA!

>

> <By his vehement criticisms of things, he has brought new knowledge

> to us which are very difficult to get otherwise.>

>

> I am glad that my studies have been of any use to some members.

But

> any " new knowledge " is meaningless unless put to use practically!

>

> <If he wants a reform of Hindu Calendar then he has to bring it one

> by one, and also listen to what others are saying and not ignore

> them (as he does ) when presenting his arguments>

>

> I have just explained that initially I was also following nirayana

> and then later sayana rashis and clubbing both of them with Ashvini

> etc. nakshatras! The incompatibility of Sayana rashis with

> nakshatras was pointed out by Shri Paul Kekai Manansala in

> Indiaarchaeoloogy forum! He had said that when our Vedic Rishis

> talked of nakshatras, they were not talking of imaginary nakshatras

> of the so called sayana rashis but of the real group of stars of

> that name! Mr. Manansala's pointing out such a monstrosity of

> juxtaposing ashivini etc. nakshatras with the sayana rashis was a

> turning point for me! It became crystal clear to me as to why the

> efforts of reformists of Hindu calendars like Dikshit and even Saha

> Calendar Reform Committee etc. over the last at least two centuries

> had not met with success! All of them had placed their fingers on

> the disease by discarding the so called nirayana rashi-chakra for

> festivals but then they committed the folly of clubbing Ashvini

etc.

> nakshatras with the same i.e. Sayana rashis! Thus the treatment wss

> wrose than the disease! IN OTHER WRODS, WE HAVE TO DISCARD BOTH

THE

> TYPES OF RASHICHAKRAS!

>

> I must put on record that I have deliberately chosen this thankless

> and onerous task of reforming the calendar even at the cost of

going

> against the tide since I know that none of the scholars wants to

> touch such unpleasant topics and displease the so called custodians

> of dharma who are actually cowards and ignorant of the frauds that

> are being committed on the unsuspecting Hindu community! It could

> also be a possibility that those " dharmacharyas " themselves are

> absolutely clueless about such frauds but they are hypnotized by

> phalit-jyotish since maybe they are themselves dependent on

> jhytosihis, instead of their tapasya, for knowing their own

> bhavishya! This is substantiated by the unpleasant fact that

> these " dharmachayas " are the ones who preisde on ceremonies

> where " Varahamihira " or " Abhianva-Parashara " awards/titles are

being

> given to " Vedic astrologers " !

> I was myself given a Nostrodums Award for correct predictions by a

> renowened Jagaguru way back in 1993 for correct predictions

through

> Secondary Progressions and Tropical signs --- a complete Western

> system---Grecho-Chaldean one -- which I was following then under

> the confusion that that was the real " Vedic astrology " , when

> actually there are no predictive gimmicks in the Vedas or even in

> the Puranas!

> With regards,

> Avtar Krishen Kaul

> hinducivilization , " amsharanx "

> <amsharanx@> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > There is hardly any post from HinduCalendar forum that has been

> > > forwarded to this forum, though actually I feel personally that

> > > streamlining the Vedic calendar should be the moral duty of

> every

> > > Hindu! But maybe nobody wants to touch that thankless task

even

> > > with a barge pole! On the other hand, most of the scholars

just

> > > want to prove the accuracy/veracity of their presumed dates of

> the

> > > Mahabharata war or the date of birth of Bhagwan Ram etc. etc.,

> which

> > > range, according to them, from 1000 BC to 7600 BC whereas it

is

> > > said that the Ramasetu is about 1.7 million years old!

> >

> >

> > I think Shree Kauljee mixes things up, and does not state things

in

> > brief and with clarity - that is why things go - on and on. He

does

> > not separate things or issues - this also causes another problem.

> >

> > Possibly, these arise because he does not appear to be a lawyer

or

> a

> > researcher ( I do not want to say that he has not studied the

Hindu

> > religion or Sanskrit or Scriptures ) but has NOT mastered the art

> of

> > proving things. The result is that he presents the issues in a

very

> > diffuse form.

> >

> > Now, let us take the issue of Hindu Calendar Reform which appears

> to

> > be his primary issue unless his attack on Jyotishis is primary.

The

> > third issue which has come out from his attacks on the Jyotishis

> is –

> > his belief of lack of astronomical knowledge of our ancestors

which

> > people in other parts of the world had -in comparable times.

> >

> > Over all, I find his concepts mind boggling. In spite of being a

> very

> > learned person - his ideas are not going any where.

> >

> > By his vehement criticisms of things, he has brought new

knowledge

> to

> > us which are very difficult to get otherwise.

> >

> > If he wants a reform of Hindu Calendar then he has to bring it

one

> by

> > one, and also listen to what others are saying and not ignore

them

> (

> > as he does ) when presenting his arguments.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> > Anand M. Sharan

> >

>

> --- End forwarded message ---

>

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