To shreenadh

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Dear Shreenadh,

 

Good to see you back in full swing with 600+ words!

 

Sometimes i wonder whether there is more to be learned from words or

from silence???;)

 

ha, ha, just joking!

 

Love,

 

vinita

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

>

> Dear John ji,

> ==>

> > what happens soon?

> <==

> Nothing! Chandra hari ji will stick to his understanding and

Subhash

> Kak ji to his own and both of them will continue enriching our

> understanding providing divergent but beutiful perspectives.

Both of

> them are great scholars - and both of them had contributed much in

their

> own way, to our knowledge and understanding. The same can be told

about

> Patria ji as well. So there is no conflict - when all of them

continue

> to contribute in their own field and does not go to others home -

and

> attack their privacy. ) So just enjoy the learning and knowledge

> sharing.

> Note: Where ever we go – we are supposed follow the major trend

> there, and not cause too much confusion. For example -

> * if I am going to Kaul ji's group I am supposed to listen

> and try to understand his perspective, more than trying to

propagate and

> impose my perspective.

>

> * If I am going to Ash's Ashataka varga group (KAS), then

> to I am supposed to follow his methods and his Ayanamsa to

understand

> his methods better – and even when speaking out my different (If

> any) I need to be polite and understanding.

> * If I am going to KP group, then too I am supposed to

listen

> more than talk – to understand their system – and thus to

> improve my knowledge by accepting anything valuable.

> The same holds true for everyone.

> * If Kaul ji comes here he too supposed to follow this rule

(but

> alas! he does not know this simple thumb rule of communication!)

> * When Hari goes to Kak then Hari is supposed follow this

rule and

> when Kak comes to Hari Kak ji supposed to follow this rule.

>

> * When Hari goes to Patricia's group Hari is supposed to

> follow this and when Patricia goes to Haris group Patricia is

supposed

> to follow this.

> It is those who are unaware of the basic thumb rules of mutual

> interaction that cause problems, too much unnecessary argumentation

and

> troubles. If we are ready to listen and not only talk, and if we

are

> learn and not only teach – then world would have been much better

> than what it is!

> So the point in this mail is -

> Every individual should listen to others perspective and limit

and

> should be to the point himself in presenting his perspective when

going

> to others domain. Those who violate this prime rule of interaction

gains

> more disrespect than respect!

> Wired is the ways of the world! Anything presented not taking

into

> account Kala (Time), Desa (Place/Environment), Patra (The one at

the

> receiving end) causes more negative results to emerge than the

positive

> ones – as Srinivas ji and Raghavan ji clarified many times. Rather

> than the intention, sincerity or knowledge – it is several other

> such minor (?) parameters that have the major control over events

and

> situations! At times it demands huge effort from people to go

beyond

> this and look at things from a higher plane. Or in other words

> everywhere we have to make ourselves better patras (means better and

> improved ones at the receiving end) – and what would be result? The

> rivers will start flowing in our direction and the world will start

> changing!

> So the first lesson of management is self improvement! I

wonder how

> can I escape from this concept of `self improvement', which

> seems to come in everywhere!! You see I am an escapist! :=) And

does

> too much blah blah.... ) Your mail was 3 words and I wrote 600+

> words!You see - sure, I need too much self imporvement!

>

> Love,

> Sreenadh

>

> , john arment

> <collinpeace@> wrote:

> >

> > what happens soon?

> >

> >

> > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > Dear friend,

> > Prof. Kak is a good friend of mine. With due respect to him, I

would

> like to tell you that the school of thought that denies Aryan

invasion

> is gravely wrong in imagining indigenous Aryans and the Vedic cult.

It

> is being repeatedly told that Aryan, Dravidian etc are terms

invented by

> William Jones and other missionaries. This is not true and people

parrot

> such views because they are not familiar with the Sanghakala

literature

> in Tamil.

> >

> > , " robertwilkinson "

> robtw@ wrote:

> > >

> > > I believe you have your facts wrong on this account Chandra-ji.

> > > The widely respected scholar, Subhash Kak writes in his

article -

> > > Babylonian and Indian Astronomy: Early Connections:

> > > " … the key ideas found in the Babylonian astronomy of 700 BC are

> > > already present in the Vedic texts, which even by the most

> > > conservative reckoning are older than that period. I shall also

show

> > > that the solar zodiac (ra´sis) was used in Vedic India and I

> shall

> > > present a plausible derivation of the symbols of the solar

zodiac

> from

> > > the deities of the segments. In view of the attested presence

of the

> > > Indic people in the Mesopotamian region prior to 700 BC, it is

> likely

> > > that if at all the two astronomies influenced each other, the

> > > dependence is of the Babylonian on the Indian. " Subhash Kak -

> > > February, 2003

> > > The points of Kak's thesis are amply proven in his scholarly

article

> > > moreover, they are entirely consistent with the Indo-Centric

> Cosmology

> > > that Ms. Norelli-Bachelet has carefully articulated in her

numerous

> > > books and essays. I think perhaps your error is derived from a

> > > fragmented understanding of the Vedic worldview.

> > >

> > > Ms. Norelli-Bachelet has published numerous examples of how

Esoteric

> > > Astology runs entirely through the Veda but none so compelling

as

> > > appear in the verses to Vishnu Trivikrama (RigVeda 1.154) who

> measures

> > > out the universe in his famous 'Three Strides'. In his Secret

of the

> > > Veda, Sri Aurobindo translates these verses in a chapter

entitled

> > > Vishnu - the All Pervading Godhead. It is reasonable to believe,

> given

> > > his work and mission, that he would have taken special care with

> these

> > > verses. It has also come to light through hitherto unpublished

> > > documents that Sri Aurobindo had a profound interest and faith

in

> > > astrology. When he translated Vishnu's three steps as a Lion, a

Bull

> > > and the Friend of man, there can be no question that would have

> > > understood their esoteric astrological significance.

> > > " Vishnu's famous three strides (to measure the universe) cannot

be

> > > more revealing. The first `step' is like a lion (Leo),

according to

> > > the Veda; the second is a bull (Taurus); the third, and most

> > > revealing of all, is the Friend. This is the same Aquarius of

> > > Agastya's birth, which is also known as the sign of the Friend.

More

> > > conclusively, they are given in their correct backward moving

order,

> > > and are Vishnu's own zodiacal domains because of their quality

of

> > > PRESERVATION (`Fixed' in zodiacal terminology, stable,

> balancing)… If

> > > the Eagle, the fourth sign, was left out of Vishnu's measuring

it is

> > > because this Eagle is Garuda, his own carrier. He begins his

> measuring

> > > from that point in the wheel, also known as Scorpio, and takes

> `three

> > > steps'. Scorpio, otherwise known as the zodiacal Eagle, would

be the

> > > fourth in correct sequence, similar to [the imagery in the

biblical

> > > Revelation] John's text. " Patrizia Norelli-Bachelet

> > > Additionally the signs are given in this backwards moving order

> > > provide incontrovertible evidence that Vedic astronomers were

> > > intimately familiar with the slow continuous westward movement

of

> the

> > > equinoxes around the ecliptic known as the 'Precession of the

> > > Equinoxes', a phenomenon which determines the 'Cosmological

Age'.

> The

> > > Precession is hinted at in the Rig Veda in this hymn to Surya:

> > > 'Your two wheels, Surya, the Brahmins know in their measured

rounds.

> > > But the one wheel that is hidden, only the inspired know that.'

(Rig

> > > Veda 10.85-16)

> > > If you believe that the Greek's knowledge of astrology predated

the

> > > Indian, please explain to us why the phenomena of Precession,

> > > described by the Greek astronomer Hipparchus, only appeared much

> later

> > > - in the 2nd century BC, long after it was mentioned in the Rig

> Veda.

> > >

> > >

> > > ,

> > > " chandra_hari18 " chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Discussion on Rama's horoscope is just another expression of

> > > imagination

> > > > leading people astray. Zodiac known since the historical

times of

> > > > Seleucid Era (300BC) is only sidereal and fixed. Tropical

notion

> > > i.e. V.

> > > > Equinox as 0 was introduced by Hipparchus in 2nd century BC.

Greek

> > > and

> > > > Babylonian horoscopes based on the sidereal fixed zodiac

predates

> > > > Hipparchus.

> > > >

> > > > Rama's horoscope may be a Jugglery just as the case with a

similar

> > > > horoscope of Sankaracharya which got concocted in 9th century.

> > > Psychics

> > > > in the West is making many imaginative theories as we see in

the

> > > reply

> > > > below of some so called Western Occultist.

> > > >

> > > > chandra hari

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

, " robertwilkinson "

> > > > <robtw@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > <This posting is for Lori Tompkins, a member of this forum>

> > > > >

> > > > > Sri Ram's Horoscope and the Preservation of Astrological

> Knowledge

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside

Mail. See

> how.

> >

>