Guest guest Posted December 3, 2007 Report Share Posted December 3, 2007 Dear Arjun ji, You have a point. But some corrections - ==> > one incident shall not let one jump to strong judgemental remarks. <== Not one incident, but two. ==> > even those participants who > failed may have failed only in this quiz and might have answered > correclty in all other quizs. <== Even those participants who failed may may become correct in MANY other quizes but NOT in ALL other quizes. ==> > myself was away for ten days on pilgrimages during which period the > quiz happened. <== Yes, I know, you were in the Sabarimala Pilgrimage on those days, and such things are far more important that minor group discussions. You, personally know that me too was aware of your Sabarimala journey. ==> > hence my submission is that even while you can celebrate the > right predictions and give medals and felicitations to the winner, <== It is/was not a competition - but only a fun game! Not at all serious! I wonder what makes people takes interactions seriously! ==> > all these unhappy mails and some members leaving would not have > happened in the first place had the mails with negative vitriol on > failed and non-participants was not thrown in a public snub. <== If we are not willing to fail before our own friends, then such egos should not be appreciated - that is my personal opinian. Anyway let us not make it an issue. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " panditarjun2004 " <panditarjun2004 wrote: > > dear sreenadhji > > one incident shall not let one jump to strong judgemental remarks. > if durgaji has predicted correctly in your quiz, she may be given a > pat on her back or give her a felicitation but to say that all non > participants are cowards is unwarranted. even those participants who > failed may have failed only in this quiz and might have answered > correclty in all other quizs. whether the failure and > nonparticipation is an aberration or an isolated incident is seen > only on hindsight. to speak on behalf of the non participants, > myself was away for ten days on pilgrimages during which period the > quiz happened. > > suppose one's mother or wife is a great cook and and prepares tasty > delicious dishes both times daily for several decades and once she > prepares badly for whatever reason, would anyone give a public snub > that she is a bad cook which was evidently demonstrated ONCE. NO. > practicing astrologers in this forum like me have hundreds of > satisfied customers who got their predictions right on dot and there > are few customers who could not get that accurately. a lawyer wins > 99 cases and loses one case. a doctor performs 99 surgeries > successfully and fails in one. a politician wins all elections but > one. hence my submission is that even while you can celebrate the > right predictions and give medals and felicitations to the winner, > you shall not pass demeaning reamarks against the failed and non > participants. > > the objective of each astrologer differs. for some it may be > research oriented. for others it is just a pastime hobby after > working hours. some steal their office time and use office resources > for pariticpating in astrology groups which is their personal hobby. > for some it may be a profession and for others it is just a subject > of interest. hence many astrologers may not be as comfortable as you > are in throwing and participating in quizs. in my own case, > astrology per se for reading charts is meaningless unless it is of > any use to the native. the native approaches an astrologer when he > is not getting a job, when he is failing in studies, when he is > facing pecuniary problems, not getting married, not getting > promtoions, not getting children and all sorts of humane material > problems. hence my objective is more to address the problem and > suggest a solution by answering his specific queries to relieve his > suffering. > > all these unhappy mails and some members leaving would not have > happened in the first place had the mails with negative vitriol on > failed and non-participants was not thrown in a public snub. > > members may kindly take this as a learning experience and in future > do not snub others while enjoying festive celebrations in hitting > bulls eye while predicting a blind chart. some people fire in the > air while celebrating but they dont fire at others. > > with best wishes and blessings > pandit arjun > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Arjun ji, > > ==> > > > i cannot predict any human chart with surgical precision merely > > > based on astrology containing various conflicting and overriding > > > principles and with various exceptions > > <== > > I am also of the same category without doubt. Yes, we cannot > > predict on any chart with surgical precision but for sure there are > > many better than us in individual chart reading - and Durga ji seems > > to be one. I am waiting for her further mails - we may turn out to > be > > wrong - her prediction could have been an exception done in a > > particular mood and became wonderfully correct for a horoscope - or > it > > could be that she had better mastery and understanding of the > subject > > than we have, and may repeat the same with her understanding and may > > baffle us again and again - we should always be open to > possibilities. > > With individuals who could at least see their own ego we all should > be > > humble and understanding to each others feelings I think. > > With love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " panditarjun2004 " > > <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > > > dear friend > > > > > > there is nothing more to add from my side than what was written > in my > > > three earlier mails. what prompted me to write this reality > check is > > > the euphoria by some members over one person claiming to have hit > the > > > bulls eye with surgical precision in predicting while all those > who > > > answered wrongly need to go back to their schools and those who > did > > > not participate are cowards and did not go to any school at all. > > > > > > now members are trying to convince that mass reading of charts in > > > mass killings keep changing from individual charts and the > present > > > desa, kala, vartamana paristitis do things other than what is > seen > > > from the basic astro principles. these days some astrologers are > > > even reading corporate charts based on their date of > incorporation as > > > date of birth. recently some famous astrologers quipped that > there > > > is a curse by goddess parvati that astrologer predictions will > not > > > become correct. > > > > > > at least i cannot take shelter in such ways and call the truth a > > > truth and a failure a failure. my last word on this subject is > that > > > i cannot predict any human chart with surgical precision merely > based > > > on astrology containing various conflicting and overriding > principles > > > and with various exceptions and a curse of goddess parvati from > the > > > top. let the champions of astrology who claim success in > accuracy > > > answer your future mails. > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > pandit arjun > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > , Prathamesn > Chawan > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I feel more sorry if someone proves that astrology is 100% > true. I > > > havent got the answer of this question so far. If astrology is > 100% > > > true then an able astrologer can predict everything about your > > > future. If that happens then there is nothing good or bad or evil. > > > > > > > > A rapist is as good as a the victim. Rapist was supposed to > rape > > > according to planetary conditions in his chart and victim was > > > supposed to be victim according to her chart. It means Harshad > > > Mehta, Daud-Abrahim, Chotta Shakil and all the people from > underworld > > > or indulge in illegal activities are not bad. They are acting as > they > > > are destined. > > > > > > > > A husband who beats his wife daily is not a bad person. Wife > was > > > destined to suffer and husband was supposed to be the aggresive > and > > > voilent ? > > > > > > > > Can anyone tell me how much is in human hand and how much is > in > > > the hand of destiny ? After reading many books of K. N. Rao, i > feel > > > that its all destiny. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> wrote: > > > > dear friend > > > > > > > > there are no two opinions in saying that astronomy is a science > and > > > > not astrology. most astrologers are striving to explore, > perceive > > > > and present astrology as a science which is just not the case. > > > > science is something which works on set parameters with > > > mathematical > > > > exactitude and applies everywhere to everyone. according to > > > > astronomy moon is a satellite (not a planet) and the 27 stars > are > > > not > > > > sigle stars. revati has 32 stars in it and satabhisham has 100 > > > stars > > > > in it. astrologically and mythologically speaking moon is a god > and > > > > these 27 taras (stars) are his wives. according to the puranas, > > > moon > > > > loves only one star rohini (where moon is exalted!) more than > the > > > > other 26 due to which act he was cursed of losing his strength > and > > > > upon praying to lord shiva, he blesses moon to lose strength > for a > > > > fortnight and gain it again the next fortnight which forms the > > > waning > > > > and waxing of the moon phases. when we attribute the stars, > planets > > > > to their lordships viz. hindu forms of gods and goddesses and > the > > > > various astrology scriptures including BHPS prescribe > mollification > > > > of these gods and goddesses who influence these planets to > change > > > > their impacts on human lives, you cannot term it a science > under > > > any > > > > parameter. > > > > > > > > take out the birth details of the two hundred of childrens who > were > > > > all shot dead in a siege in russia recently and submit them > > > > individually to two hundred best astrologers in the world > seeking > > > > their future education, employment and marriage prospects; > surely > > > you > > > > would not get even a single astrologer predicting that they > would > > > all > > > > die in a terror strike at their tender age. same are the cases > with > > > > lakhs died in tsunami or thousands died in earthquake almost at > > > > same. hence the applicability of astrological principles with > > > > mathematical precision need no trials. when we mixed planetary > > > > astrology with hindu mythology, it is purely mythological in > nature > > > > squarely based on the foundations of hindu faith and belief. > this > > > is > > > > a subject of solicitation and only those having faith in this > > > subject > > > > approaches an astrologer and gets the answers according to this > > > part > > > > astronomical and part mythological subject. > > > > > > > > ayurveda is a science and is a system of medicine recognised by > the > > > > government of india, as it works on fixed scientific principles. > > > > > > > > atma jnan is something related to realising the self, simply > put > > > > knowing, realising and aligning with the god within. lord > krishna > > > in > > > > gita says that for a realised person, vedas (all knowledgeful > > > > scriptures) are useless since he knows the reality which is the > god > > > > within. an unrealised person looks for god elsewhere only to > find > > > > nowhere outside or find everywhere outside, whereas a realised > > > person > > > > finds the god within. read stories of any of the realised souls > and > > > > they dont do mollification of the planets or do daily poojas > for > > > the > > > > gods. > > > > > > > > singing glories of the yesteryuga sages is fine but as per > > > > scriptures, all of us are their descendants and each one of us > have > > > > our lineage linked to a sage and hence you may find these sages > > > > amongst us and not somewhere on the mountainpeaks or in the > clouds. > > > > simply put sages in those days were the learnt ones or most > > > > knoweldgeful people to whom even kings used to go to learn. > hence > > > > any learnt or knoweldgeful person is like a sage. > > > > > > > > knowledge is like light (enlightenment) which can dispel > darkness > > > > (ignorance) and may the visible sungod spreads his light and > > > removes > > > > the darkness of the world, as he does on a scientific principle > on > > > a > > > > daily basis to all countries and all humans alike. > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > pandit arjun > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > , r_vani > > > ramakrishnan > > > > <r_vani61@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pandit Arjun, > > > > > Namaskar. > > > > > You are correct. Most people in not only China and Russia but > in > > > > entire world > > > > > are achieving great things by believing in themselves and in > > > > their field of speciality. Astrology is also a great scientific > > > > field where our mental faculty to put to test, as I believe. > India > > > > and the Sastras in India have been well developed in all fields > > > long > > > > long ago, say thousands of years ago. They are still available > in > > > > Sanskrit language texts which we have neglected by so many > reasons > > > > like foreign rule etc. Learned people like you should come > forward > > > > and probe the subjects scientifically to bring out the truth. > Man's > > > > mind is to be turned inside our-own- selves when the Truth is > > > > revealed in various ways according to the speciality of subject > > > that > > > > he is pondering over. Thats-how the great Rishis of India have > been > > > > the forefathers of the sciences like Astrology, Ayurveda, Atma- > > > vidya > > > > (spirituality) etc. > > > > > Let us hope some great brains will come out from these > Astrology > > > > group. > > > > > With regards, > > > > > D.Ramakrishnan. > > > > > > > > > > panditarjun2004 <panditarjun2004@> > > > > wrote: dear friend > > > > > > > > > > let me give simple answers to your last query. > > > > > > > > > > most people in communist countries like china and russia > believe > > > > only > > > > > in themselves and dont believe in planets and attribute both > > > > success > > > > > and failure equally to the proportion of their own efforts. > no > > > > > wonder they excel in all areas ranging from sports to > business. > > > > > > > > > > most people in developed countries spent decades of service > in > > > > > research, innovations and discoveries and they enjoy more > than > > > > ninety > > > > > percent of patents in the world. remember all these invented > > > > > MATERIAL wonders which we are enjoying in our daily lives are > all > > > > the > > > > > gifts of these scientists and not descended from the planets. > > > > > > > > > > in our country india, many people (may be majority but not > all) > > > > strive > > > > > to attribute any and everything to god and planets and treat > > > > > themselves as puppets with the strings in the hands of the > > > > planets. > > > > > astrologers are the engineers or doctors who learn this art > of > > > > > adjusting the strings firstly by identifying which planet is > > > > holding > > > > > which part of the native and then adjust, stop, reduce or > enhance > > > > the > > > > > planetary impacts by suggesting various remedies. when you > have a > > > > > physical problem and visit a doctor you dont go for simple > > > reports > > > > > and predictions, you also go for medicines. similarly > astrologers > > > > > not only give readings but also prescribe various remedies > > > ranging > > > > > from chanting mantras, doing havans, fastings, poojas, > > > > abhishekams, > > > > > pilgrimages and also wearing various stones, beads etc. > > > > > > > > > > my concluding observation is that vedic aka mythological aka > > > > divine > > > > > aka spiritual astrology are all matters of faith and are > > > practiced > > > > > only by solicitation by those who have faith. hence any > person > > > > who > > > > > consults or visits an astrologer believes in these faiths and > the > > > > > astrologer speaks the astro logical language. > > > > > > > > > > with best wishes and blessings > > > > > pandit arjun > > > > > www.rudraksharemedy.com > > > > > > > > > > , Prathamesn > > > Chawan > > > > > <upaoakcrest@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > i am wondering " who knows who " in these hundered of > > > forums > > > > on > > > > > astrology ? Most of these forums are required by people to > > > > advertise > > > > > themselves. You will see many people here having their own > > > webpage > > > > > where they can predict your future by " what-not " methods. > > > > > > > > > > > > One question is always in my mind which is apart from the > > > > current > > > > > topic.. > > > > > > > > > > > > If astrology is really effective then why its not the MAIN > > > > part > > > > > of people's life ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jagdish > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Sreenadh did put my name too in that list. So I too may > quit > > > the > > > > > group > > > > > > but without any announcement. What if I leave a group that > it > > > > needs > > > > > an > > > > > > announcement like a Minister resigning from the cabinet? > > > > > > > > > > > > Self given importance make people act like VIPs. What > > > > contributions > > > > > do > > > > > > we make to astrology, other than distortions? Many big > > > names...? > > > > > Many so > > > > > > called groups and so many giants stride across which are > not > > > > worth a > > > > > > single penny scientific contribution to Jyotihsastra. > Simply > > > > fooling > > > > > > people with astro-gimmicks. > > > > > > > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > > > > > > > , " Finn > Wandahl " > > > > > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear members, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Needless to say, I agree 100% with Mr. Ramadas Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As a consequence of this I have decided to take a break > from > > > > this > > > > > > > group, and therefore I will not be available for debating. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Best wishes, > > > > > > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > HosabettuRamadas > > > > > Rao > > > > > > > ramadasrao@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh Ji, > > > > > > > > Have you read Prashna Margam, 1st chapter about the > > > > qualities > > > > > of a > > > > > > > good Astrologer ? You think that you are the biggest > > > > Astrologer in > > > > > > > this world.Dont write such aggressive words.I think this > is > > > > not a > > > > > good > > > > > > > discussion forum for me and I am retiring from your > discussion > > > > > > > form.Please dont sen any invitation again. > > > > > > > > H.R.Rao. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @: sreesog@: Fri, 23 Nov > 2007 > > > > > > > 12:40:51 +0000 Blind > chart > > > > > reading > > > > > > > - Where is Rao ji and Goel ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > > > > > > > So many people are making very good and bold attempts > on > > > the > > > > > blind > > > > > > > chart reading. Many enthusiastic and knowledgeable > members > > > > like > > > > > Finn > > > > > > > ji, Renu ji, Raghavn ji, Srinivas ji, Ravi ji, Neelam > Gupta > > > > ji, > > > > > Durga > > > > > > > ji, VIGHNESH ji, Pandit ji, Sasi Bhushan ji - has > sincerely > > > > > attempted > > > > > > it. > > > > > > > > But I don't see two of our most enthusiastic and > aggressive > > > > > members > > > > > > > anywhere in this attempt. > > > > > > > > * Goel ji & > > > > > > > > * Ramdas Rao ji > > > > > > > > They were/are very active in this group and as such I > would > > > > > expect > > > > > > > a reading from them as well. Dear Rao ji and Goel ji > please > > > > come > > > > > > > forward and make your attempt. Once that too is over we > will > > > > wind- > > > > > up > > > > > > > this exercise and the results will be announced. > > > > > > > > Important: > > > > > > > > ---------- > > > > > > > > * If you are not ready to play the hero by making a > winning > > > > or > > > > > > > losing reading about the same, please don't try to play > > > police > > > > > later > > > > > > > when everything is over - such as suggesting it shouldn't > be > > > > like > > > > > > > that, it should be like that; or how could it be so when > the > > > > > rules are > > > > > > > so and so etc. It is very easy to locate such tricky > > > > tactics. > > > > > > > > * Note that, No Explanations or further discussions are > > > > allowed > > > > > > > once the final results are revealed. > > > > > > > > * No explanations from non-participants are required. > > > > Practical > > > > > > > astrology is a game for the daring individuals who are > bold > > > and > > > > > > > sincere enough to accept both success and failure. > > > > > > > > Love and regards,Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > > > Invite your mail contacts to join your friends list > with > > > > Windows > > > > > > > Live Spaces. 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