Guest guest Posted October 22, 2007 Report Share Posted October 22, 2007 Dear Finn ji, ==> > Why not continue the series with the other 11 house-lord in each > house? <== Because there is a lot more to cover - for example firstly the intro to remaining portions in 7-fold system, How to use divsions and so on. If we dedivate ourselves to the complete discussion of a single fold, i.e. Hose Base (i.e. House lords in various houses, combination of house lords, mutual aspect of house lords and so on) then for 2 or more years we will be discussing the same.. Should we do it? I don't agree. Here only the samples are distributed - and not the complete refererence. I think that is the best approach to cover the whole - in the short span available. We are into rebuilding the old castle in its full beauty, visualising the same from the various fragments available to us. But at no point of time - we have the complete solutions available. We are evolving together, learning together - and it will continue... So in short, we have to move on - and the next subject is " Planet Base " and as an example " 2-Planet combinations " .. Love, Sreenadh , " Finn Wandahl " <finn.wandahl wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh, > > Sure, I merely tried to give a short, general and simplified > explanation about these things. > > I have heard about Skanda Hora, but I have never actually seen it. > > Sure, I will check up your file about Lagna-lord in the different houses. > > Why not continue the series with the other 11 house-lord in each house? > > Very friendly, > Finn > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > Dear Finn ji, > > ==> > > From the Vedic period we only have the texts like Vedas, Upanishads > > and Vedangas. > > <== > > We may have to add many works on other subjects such as - > > Sulbasutras etc - which depict the knowledge of the same period. > > ==> > > > The Puranas were written in the Puranic period which is from aprox. > > > the year 100 AD up to say 1600 AD. No Puranas was written in the > > < Vedic period (BC) > > > We have got to discriminate between the Sruti-texts belonging to the > > > Vedic period and the Smriti-texts belonging to the Puranic period. > > <== > > I think the classification such as Vedic period, Epic period or > > Puranic or Smiriti period is erroneous. Some puranic or smriti > > reference may predate or point to knowledge prior to several vedic > > quotes. Similarly several vedic quotes might have been written as > > late as BC 1400 or so. Even judging the texts based on language may > > lead to erroneous conclusions because - texts of later origin can be > > at times in use the ancient style, and texts of earlier origin might > > have been re-stated without much difference in the modern language, > > but still reflecting the ancient knowledge. Accepting the simple > > solutions suggested by your above statement is tricky and lead to > > nowhere but to erroneous conclusions. > > My suggestion is being individuals in search of knowledge and not of > > history - we should try to order of information (i.e. which info must > > have come after which and so on - and not date) flow, looking from > > inside knowledge of texts rather than - following the superfluous > > path followed by the literary and other historians. So I totally > > disagree with your classification and approach. But this does not > > mean that - I am arguing puranas are older than vedas or so. I am > > just pointing to a better approach and pit fall the simplified > > approach. > > ==> > > > The astrological texts that we know today belong to the Puranic > > > period. From the Vedic period we only have Lagada's and Garga's > > > Vedanga Jyotishas which are connected to Rig-veda/Yajur-Veda and > > > Atharva-Veda respectively. And then at certain places some Vedas and > > > some Uphanishads give some basic information related to matters > > > like the 27 Nakshatras etc. > > <== > > This is incomplete information. We have at least quotes available > > from one text that reflect the vedic style of language usage - and > > with a name 'Jyotishmati Upanishad or Skanda Hora'. This is known as > > the first text of Nirayana astrology. I know that you are not yet > > familier with the quotes from this text. But you will find many > > quotes in my writings from this text and some other lost Rishi horas. > > I don't believe that Lagadha's text is as old as it is belived to > > be - note that we don't have any reference (as of my knowledge) about > > Lagadha's texts at least till 6th century AD. But I agree that the > > text 'reflect' or 'presents' the astronomical knowledge in vedic > > period. Note that Lagadha's text is not at all mentioned by any well > > known astrological works and also that he is NOT included in the 18 > > great acharyas of astrology or not even among the acharyas of > > sidhantic astronomy. So essentially the text does not belong to the > > nirayana astrological stream and due to some reason the work of > > Lagadha's students was not appreciated by the rishi kulas. > > The Vedas contain more astronomical and astrological knowledge that > > we belived to be by the comon scholers - a rethinking of frozon > > attitude is necessory in this issue. If you read the documents - > > 1) Vedic Proof of Sayana-Nirayana Systems.pdf and > > 2) Vedic Proof of Planets.pdf > > found inside the folder " Sreeenadh " in the files section of the > > group, you will know what I mean. > > A re-look with a non-conditioned fresh consciousness can reveal a > > thousand new realizations. And the books (Vedas, Puranas, Tantric > > texts etc; texts in Brahmi, Pali etc; Scattered quotes available from > > lost texts;) all demand such a fresh view, which can implement a > > reconstruction from the fragments. > > If we can do it - that much good; but if not somebody with better > > caliber will come like and shining light to implement the same. > > Better we should switch on our torches...at least to pave the > > way... > > Love and Hugs, > > Sreenadh > > > > , " Finn Wandahl " > > <finn.wandahl@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. Gopal Goel, > > > > > > I think you are mixing me up with Mr. Avtar Krishen Kaul, whom I was > > > quoting in my mail. It was Mr. Avtar Krishen Kaul, who was demanding > > > proofs from me. I would never display such an arrogance towards > > anyone. > > > > > > Also it was Mr. Avtar Krishen Kaul who asked me some irrelevant > > > questions about Ayanamsa. I don't know why. I would never have asked > > > such questions myself. > > > > > > The Puranas were written in the Puranic period which is from aprox. > > > the year 100 AD up to say 1600 AD. No Puranas was written in the > > Vedic > > > period (BC) which was perhaps thousands of years earlier. > > > > > > From the Vedic period we only have the texts like Vedas, Upanishads > > > and Vedangas. Meaning there was no Puranas, Samhitas or Epics > > written > > > in that period. > > > > > > We have got to discriminate between the Sruti-texts belonging to the > > > Vedic period and the Smriti-texts belonging to the Puranic period. > > > Mixing Sruti and Smriti together will get us nowhere. There is an > > old > > > rule that whenever there is a disagreement between Sruti (Vedic) and > > > Smriti (Puranic), then Sruti always prevails. > > > > > > The astrological texts that we know today belong to the Puranic > > > period. From the Vedic period we only have Lagada's and Garga's > > > Vedanga Jyotishas which are connected to Rig-veda/Yajur-Veda and > > > Atharva-Veda respectively. And then at certain places some Vedas and > > > some Uphanishads give some basic information related to matters > > like > > > the 27 Nakshatras etc. > > > > > > I hope I have been able to clarify things. > > > > > > Very friendly, > > > Finn Wandahl > > > > > > > > > > > > , Gopal Goel > > > <gkgoel1937@> wrote: > > > > > > > > My dear Mr. Finn Wandahl, > > > > In my first mail to you , I relise that I used harsh language. > > > Isincerly apologige for the same. > > > > As regards the era of Vishnu Puran , i really have no beief. > > Ionly > > > drawn your attention whatwas written in the version available i the > > > market now a days. > > > > The language of Brihat Parasara Hora Shastra matches with Vishnu > > > Puran. > > > > The famous commentator of Varha Mihri works -BHATOTPAL had > > > acknowledged in his works that he could not lay hand on BPHS.This > > shows, > > > > that Bphs was known and eamous even 1500 years back in India. > > > > As regards your querry on Ayanamsa, I had sent a mail to famous > > > Astrologer in Nepal , which is reproduced below: > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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