Guest guest Posted December 1, 2007 Report Share Posted December 1, 2007 Dear friends, Is there any chance they meant the numbers 8 and 2? In Tamil language, all the ancient siddhas talk about these two numbers. Aum = a+ u + m a = 8 (tamil letter akar) u = 2 (tamil letter ukar) m = the god It essentially says through 8 and 2, we can reach the God. What does the sanskrit word "ayana" means? (Rama+ayana). Does it mean rise or set?(Ex: sun ). Also Can 'Adhi' mean moon and "Bhagavan" mean sun? Any scholors can clarify this? I will come up with an article about ancient tamil siddha philosophy of God. Hopefully members will find it interesting. Regards, Dhanapal jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: Respected Sir,In the doha it is said "Dhai Akshar Prem ke" means "the two letters of Prem". (Not two letters of Rama). It is clear cut that Kabir was mentioning the 2 and 1/2 letter word Prem. I dont have any ambiguity in this. But about why 2 and half, I believe it is when we split the word Prem to constituent letters, we get two full leters (Pa and Ra) and one half letter,M. M is as in Om. Since it is not complete, totally it is 2 and half. If Kabir intended Rama, he would have specifically used that word in his doha, why must he mention about Prem? He has already mentioned about Hari in the following doha:Jab Mein Tha Tab Hari Nahin‚ Jab Hari Hai Mein Nahin Sab Andhiyara Mit Gaya‚ Jab Deepak Dekhya Mahin meaning "When I was there, Hari was not there, when Hari is there, I am not there, All darkness vanished when I saw the light". The true meaning according to my understanding is"When ego (I) existed in me, God (Hari) didnt exist, when God existed, my ego left, When I realised the God, all my ignorance vanished". Moreover, he was talking about how to realise the iswhar or Rama in us. And that is only through Love/Prem. That is what he intended. I hope I am correct.Regards,Jyothi , Venkataraman Hari <venkataraman_hari wrote:>> Dear Sirs, > Why Sri Kabir has said as 2.5. Kabir is a great Bhakta of Sri Rama . Rama Nama is Taraka Nama. Raa--Ma i.e two and half matras as per Sabdha Sastra. Kabir was initiated in to Sri Rama Taraka Mantra by hisGuru Sri Swami Ramananda as per his byagraphy in Bhakta Vijaya. > Hari.Venkataraman > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:> Dear Renuji,> > I guess , it is because when we pronounce "Prem", there is no "akar" > in it. Means, we say Prem and not Prema. In that way, the letter "Ma" > is incomplete, only half, as in "Hum". "Pa" + "Re" + "M" - 2 and half > of Ma ). A wild guess. Only Kabir can say what he meant. > > Regards,> jyothi> > , "renunw" > <renunw@> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > Thanks for your attempt. I think even Jyothi ji has given a similar > > meaning. But why two and a half..[Dhai] ???? What is the > > significance of such an odd number?> > > > Anyway it is simply a lovely thought, which, if practised by > > everyone, there would be much love and less hatred in this world > > > > blessings> > > > Renu> > > > -- In , "Sreenadh" > > <sreesog@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Renu ji,> > > I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much> > > Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha of> > > Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me in> > > this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit. > > > > "Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye> > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye"> > > The approximate meaning of this quote is - "No one becomes (truly)> > > knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If > some > > one> > > knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true> > > knowledgeable one" > > > Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this > > verse> > > (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't > know > > the> > > meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could > understand> > > are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;> > > Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one> > > becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters); Prem > => > > Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe = > > reads;> > > So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one. > > > I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one > > please> > > clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.> > > Love,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > , "renunw" > <renunw@>> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Jyothi,> > > > > > > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not > > > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two here > > or > > > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning > > > > > > > > "Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye> > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye"> > > > > > > > Thanks ...> > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "jyothi_b_lakshmi" > > > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Renuji,> > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the > > subconcious > > > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, in > > your > > > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some time > > we > > > > > need to get an answer. > > > > > > > > > > Better late than never to realise that > > > > > > > > > > "Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye> > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye" > > > > > > > > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in > > school.> > > > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an > > explanation.> > > > > > > > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or > philosophy, > > one > > > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the > > > > > realisation has rightly said that "Use a thorn to remove the > > thorn > > > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns".> > > > > > > > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. And > > > > > astrology is no exception. > > > > > > > > > > Regards,> > > > > Jyothi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "renunw" > > > > > <renunw@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > > > > > > > > > > > "Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs to > > be> > > > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should > > remain> > > > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to understanding > > the> > > > > > primary> > > > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually > > some> > > > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now."> > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should be > > our > > > > > real> > > > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life > for > > once> > > > > > and for all.> > > > > > > > > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us to > > our> > > > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into > > > > ancient/modern> > > > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? Please > > note> > > > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I > > would > > > > like> > > > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this astrology > > too if> > > > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we > > rarely > > > > [not> > > > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in astrology, > > > > learning> > > > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. > It > > has> > > > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous behaviour > > > > patterns> > > > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in > life. > > > > Other> > > > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to > our> > > > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging into > > the > > > > past> > > > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a > > waste > > > > of> > > > > > time. Is not it so????> > > > > > > > > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly > welcome.> > > > > > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > > > > > Sent from & #45; the World & #39;s favourite mail.> Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2007 Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 Dear Lakshmi ji, I agree with you absolutely. Any names ascribed to god is one and the same for any enlightened one - and Kabir is not exception. 2.5 letters = 2.5 Matra (Remember guru-leghu matras of sound) And sound too is Brahmsa (Sabda brahama) for a poet like Kabir. When some one like Kabir speaks - everything become pointed to the same direction - god the ultimate (or the loveable universe, both the same). Love, Sreenadh , " jyothi_b_lakshmi " <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: > > Respected Sir, > > In the doha it is said " Dhai Akshar Prem ke " means " the two letters > of Prem " . (Not two letters of Rama). It is clear cut that Kabir was > mentioning the 2 and 1/2 letter word Prem. I dont have any ambiguity > in this. But about why 2 and half, I believe it is when we split the > word Prem to constituent letters, we get two full leters (Pa and Ra) > and one half letter,M. M is as in Om. Since it is not complete, > totally it is 2 and half. > > If Kabir intended Rama, he would have specifically used that word in > his doha, why must he mention about Prem? He has already mentioned > about Hari in the following doha: > Jab Mein Tha Tab Hari Nahin‚ Jab Hari Hai Mein Nahin > Sab Andhiyara Mit Gaya‚ Jab Deepak Dekhya Mahin > meaning > " When I was there, Hari was not there, when Hari is there, I am not > there, All darkness vanished when I saw the light " . > The true meaning according to my understanding is > > " When ego (I) existed in me, God (Hari) didnt exist, when God > existed, my ego left, When I realised the God, all my ignorance > vanished " . > > Moreover, he was talking about how to realise the iswhar or Rama in > us. And that is only through Love/Prem. That is what he intended. I > hope I am correct. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > > > > > , Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_hari@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs, > > Why Sri Kabir has said as 2.5. Kabir is a great > Bhakta of Sri Rama . Rama Nama is Taraka Nama. Raa--Ma i.e two and > half matras as per Sabdha Sastra. Kabir was initiated in to Sri Rama > Taraka Mantra by hisGuru Sri Swami Ramananda as per his byagraphy in > Bhakta > Vijaya. > > > > Hari.Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote: > > Dear Renuji, > > > > I guess , it is because when we pronounce " Prem " , there is > no " akar " > > in it. Means, we say Prem and not Prema. In that way, the > letter " Ma " > > is incomplete, only half, as in " Hum " . " Pa " + " Re " + " M " - 2 and > half > > of Ma ). A wild guess. Only Kabir can say what he meant. > > > > Regards, > > jyothi > > > > , " renunw " > > <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > Thanks for your attempt. I think even Jyothi ji has given a > similar > > > meaning. But why two and a half..[Dhai] ???? What is the > > > significance of such an odd number? > > > > > > Anyway it is simply a lovely thought, which, if practised by > > > everyone, there would be much love and less hatred in this > world > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > -- In , " Sreenadh " > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much > > > > Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha > of > > > > Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me > in > > > > this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit. > > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye > > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye " > > > > The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes > (truly) > > > > knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If > > some > > > one > > > > knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true > > > > knowledgeable one " > > > > Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this > > > verse > > > > (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't > > know > > > the > > > > meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could > > understand > > > > are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading; > > > > Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one > > > > becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters); > Prem > > = > > > > Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe = > > > reads; > > > > So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one. > > > > I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one > > > please > > > > clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , " renunw " > > <renunw@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not > > > > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two > here > > > or > > > > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning > > > > > > > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye > > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye " > > > > > > > > > > Thanks ... > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " jyothi_b_lakshmi " > > > > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renuji, > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the > > > subconcious > > > > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, > in > > > your > > > > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some > time > > > we > > > > > > need to get an answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Better late than never to realise that > > > > > > > > > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye > > > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye " > > > > > > > > > > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in > > > school. > > > > > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an > > > explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or > > philosophy, > > > one > > > > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the > > > > > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove > the > > > thorn > > > > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " . > > > > > > > > > > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. > And > > > > > > astrology is no exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " > > > > > > <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs > to > > > be > > > > > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should > > > remain > > > > > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to > understanding > > > the > > > > > > > primary > > > > > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually > > > some > > > > > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should > be > > > our > > > > > > real > > > > > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life > > for > > > once > > > > > > > and for all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us > to > > > our > > > > > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into > > > > > ancient/modern > > > > > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? > Please > > > note > > > > > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I > > > would > > > > > like > > > > > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this > astrology > > > too if > > > > > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we > > > rarely > > > > > [not > > > > > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in > astrology, > > > > > learning > > > > > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. > > It > > > has > > > > > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous > behaviour > > > > > patterns > > > > > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in > > life. > > > > > Other > > > > > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to > > our > > > > > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging > into > > > the > > > > > past > > > > > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a > > > waste > > > > > of > > > > > > > time. Is not it so???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from & #45; the World & #39;s favourite mail. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2007 Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 Dear Dhanpal ji, Rama+Ayana = Momevemnt of Sun (in Uttarayana Period). This could be one of the astronomical meanings of the word. And that is why Chadra Hari was supporting such a view and definition of Ramayana. You can find his article on Ramayana in - /message/4751 You may find it interesting. Note: I request Chandra Hari to upload the same article as pdf in File section of the group. Love, Sreenadh , Dhanpal <dhans_magnet wrote: > > Dear friends, > > Is there any chance they meant the numbers 8 and 2? In Tamil language, all the ancient siddhas talk about these two numbers. > Aum = a+ u + m > a = 8 (tamil letter akar) > u = 2 (tamil letter ukar) > m = the god > > It essentially says through 8 and 2, we can reach the God. What does the sanskrit word " ayana " means? (Rama+ayana). Does it mean rise or set?(Ex: sun ). Also Can 'Adhi' mean moon and " Bhagavan " mean sun? Any scholors can clarify this? I will come up with an article about ancient tamil siddha philosophy of God. Hopefully members will find it interesting. > > Regards, > Dhanapal > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote: > Respected Sir, > > In the doha it is said " Dhai Akshar Prem ke " means " the two letters > of Prem " . (Not two letters of Rama). It is clear cut that Kabir was > mentioning the 2 and 1/2 letter word Prem. I dont have any ambiguity > in this. But about why 2 and half, I believe it is when we split the > word Prem to constituent letters, we get two full leters (Pa and Ra) > and one half letter,M. M is as in Om. Since it is not complete, > totally it is 2 and half. > > If Kabir intended Rama, he would have specifically used that word in > his doha, why must he mention about Prem? He has already mentioned > about Hari in the following doha: > Jab Mein Tha Tab Hari Nahin‚ Jab Hari Hai Mein Nahin > Sab Andhiyara Mit Gaya‚ Jab Deepak Dekhya Mahin > meaning > " When I was there, Hari was not there, when Hari is there, I am not > there, All darkness vanished when I saw the light " . > The true meaning according to my understanding is > > " When ego (I) existed in me, God (Hari) didnt exist, when God > existed, my ego left, When I realised the God, all my ignorance > vanished " . > > Moreover, he was talking about how to realise the iswhar or Rama in > us. And that is only through Love/Prem. That is what he intended. I > hope I am correct. > > Regards, > Jyothi > > , Venkataraman Hari > <venkataraman_hari@> wrote: > > > > Dear Sirs, > > Why Sri Kabir has said as 2.5. Kabir is a great > Bhakta of Sri Rama . Rama Nama is Taraka Nama. Raa--Ma i.e two and > half matras as per Sabdha Sastra. Kabir was initiated in to Sri Rama > Taraka Mantra by hisGuru Sri Swami Ramananda as per his byagraphy in > Bhakta > Vijaya. > > > > Hari.Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote: > > Dear Renuji, > > > > I guess , it is because when we pronounce " Prem " , there is > no " akar " > > in it. Means, we say Prem and not Prema. In that way, the > letter " Ma " > > is incomplete, only half, as in " Hum " . " Pa " + " Re " + " M " - 2 and > half > > of Ma ). A wild guess. Only Kabir can say what he meant. > > > > Regards, > > jyothi > > > > , " renunw " > > <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > Thanks for your attempt. I think even Jyothi ji has given a > similar > > > meaning. But why two and a half..[Dhai] ???? What is the > > > significance of such an odd number? > > > > > > Anyway it is simply a lovely thought, which, if practised by > > > everyone, there would be much love and less hatred in this > world > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > -- In , " Sreenadh " > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much > > > > Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha > of > > > > Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me > in > > > > this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit. > > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye > > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye " > > > > The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes > (truly) > > > > knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If > > some > > > one > > > > knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true > > > > knowledgeable one " > > > > Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this > > > verse > > > > (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't > > know > > > the > > > > meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could > > understand > > > > are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading; > > > > Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one > > > > becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters); > Prem > > = > > > > Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe = > > > reads; > > > > So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one. > > > > I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one > > > please > > > > clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this. > > > > Love, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > , " renunw " > > <renunw@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not > > > > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two > here > > > or > > > > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning > > > > > > > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye > > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye " > > > > > > > > > > Thanks ... > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > , " jyothi_b_lakshmi " > > > > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renuji, > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the > > > subconcious > > > > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, > in > > > your > > > > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some > time > > > we > > > > > > need to get an answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > Better late than never to realise that > > > > > > > > > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye > > > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye " > > > > > > > > > > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in > > > school. > > > > > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an > > > explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or > > philosophy, > > > one > > > > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the > > > > > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove > the > > > thorn > > > > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " . > > > > > > > > > > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. > And > > > > > > astrology is no exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " > > > > > > <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs > to > > > be > > > > > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should > > > remain > > > > > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to > understanding > > > the > > > > > > > primary > > > > > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually > > > some > > > > > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should > be > > > our > > > > > > real > > > > > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life > > for > > > once > > > > > > > and for all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us > to > > > our > > > > > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into > > > > > ancient/modern > > > > > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? > Please > > > note > > > > > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I > > > would > > > > > like > > > > > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this > astrology > > > too if > > > > > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we > > > rarely > > > > > [not > > > > > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in > astrology, > > > > > learning > > > > > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. > > It > > > has > > > > > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous > behaviour > > > > > patterns > > > > > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in > > life. > > > > > Other > > > > > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to > > our > > > > > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging > into > > > the > > > > > past > > > > > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a > > > waste > > > > > of > > > > > > > time. Is not it so???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from & #45; the World & #39;s favourite mail. > > > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your homepage. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2007 Report Share Posted December 2, 2007 Ayana = movement. AUM = A+UMA = SIVA+SAKTI. A = SIVA and UMA = Sakti. A = advaya-anuttara-akaram. Ah = A with Visarga. Bindu1 of Visarga = Sargam (Srshti), Bindu 2 = Visargam (withdrawal). AHAM = A to HA = Manifested Universe (Akshara-gramam) = Visvatanu. Alphabets are the components of the Universe and realization of the alphabets leads to realization of Matrka Devi, Mahamaya and then the Maya is transcended. chandra hari , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > Dear Dhanpal ji, > Rama+Ayana = Momevemnt of Sun (in Uttarayana Period). > This could be one of the astronomical meanings of the word. And that > is why Chadra Hari was supporting such a view and definition of > Ramayana. You can find his article on Ramayana in - > /message/4751 > You may find it interesting. > Note: I request Chandra Hari to upload the same article as pdf in > File section of the group. > Love, > Sreenadh > > , Dhanpal > dhans_magnet@ wrote: > > > > Dear friends, > > > > Is there any chance they meant the numbers 8 and 2? In Tamil > language, all the ancient siddhas talk about these two numbers. > > Aum = a+ u + m > > a = 8 (tamil letter akar) > > u = 2 (tamil letter ukar) > > m = the god > > > > It essentially says through 8 and 2, we can reach the God. What > does the sanskrit word " ayana " means? (Rama+ayana). Does it mean rise > or set?(Ex: sun ). Also Can 'Adhi' mean moon and " Bhagavan " mean sun? > Any scholors can clarify this? I will come up with an article about > ancient tamil siddha philosophy of God. Hopefully members will find it > interesting. > > > > Regards, > > Dhanapal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi jyothi_b_lakshmi@ wrote: > > Respected Sir, > > > > In the doha it is said " Dhai Akshar Prem ke " means " the two letters > > of Prem " . (Not two letters of Rama). It is clear cut that Kabir was > > mentioning the 2 and 1/2 letter word Prem. I dont have any ambiguity > > in this. But about why 2 and half, I believe it is when we split the > > word Prem to constituent letters, we get two full leters (Pa and Ra) > > and one half letter,M. M is as in Om. Since it is not complete, > > totally it is 2 and half. > > > > If Kabir intended Rama, he would have specifically used that word in > > his doha, why must he mention about Prem? He has already mentioned > > about Hari in the following doha: > > Jab Mein Tha Tab Hari Nahin‚ Jab Hari Hai Mein Nahin > > Sab Andhiyara Mit Gaya‚ Jab Deepak Dekhya Mahin > > meaning > > " When I was there, Hari was not there, when Hari is there, I am not > > there, All darkness vanished when I saw the light " . > > The true meaning according to my understanding is > > > > " When ego (I) existed in me, God (Hari) didnt exist, when God > > existed, my ego left, When I realised the God, all my ignorance > > vanished " . > > > > Moreover, he was talking about how to realise the iswhar or Rama in > > us. And that is only through Love/Prem. That is what he intended. I > > hope I am correct. > > > > Regards, > > Jyothi > > > > , Venkataraman Hari > > <venkataraman_hari@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sirs, > > > Why Sri Kabir has said as 2.5. Kabir is a great > > Bhakta of Sri Rama . Rama Nama is Taraka Nama. Raa--Ma i.e two and > > half matras as per Sabdha Sastra. Kabir was initiated in to Sri Rama > > Taraka Mantra by hisGuru Sri Swami Ramananda as per his byagraphy in > > Bhakta > > Vijaya. > > > > > > > Hari.Venkataraman > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi@> wrote: > > > Dear Renuji, > > > > > > I guess , it is because when we pronounce " Prem " , there is > > no " akar " > > > in it. Means, we say Prem and not Prema. In that way, the > > letter " Ma " > > > is incomplete, only half, as in " Hum " . " Pa " + " Re " + " M " - 2 and > > half > > > of Ma ). A wild guess. Only Kabir can say what he meant. > > > > > > Regards, > > > jyothi > > > > > > , " renunw " > > > <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > Thanks for your attempt. I think even Jyothi ji has given a > > similar > > > > meaning. But why two and a half..[Dhai] ???? What is the > > > > significance of such an odd number? > > > > > > > > Anyway it is simply a lovely thought, which, if practised by > > > > everyone, there would be much love and less hatred in this > > world > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > -- In , " Sreenadh " > > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renu ji, > > > > > I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much > > > > > Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha > > of > > > > > Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me > > in > > > > > this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit. > > > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye > > > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye " > > > > > The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes > > (truly) > > > > > knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If > > > some > > > > one > > > > > knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true > > > > > knowledgeable one " > > > > > Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this > > > > verse > > > > > (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't > > > know > > > > the > > > > > meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could > > > understand > > > > > are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading; > > > > > Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one > > > > > becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters); > > Prem > > > = > > > > > Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe = > > > > reads; > > > > > So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one. > > > > > I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one > > > > please > > > > > clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this. > > > > > Love, > > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " > > > <renunw@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Jyothi, > > > > > > > > > > > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not > > > > > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two > > here > > > > or > > > > > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning > > > > > > > > > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye > > > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye " > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks ... > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > , " jyothi_b_lakshmi " > > > > > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Renuji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the > > > > subconcious > > > > > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish, > > in > > > > your > > > > > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some > > time > > > > we > > > > > > > need to get an answer. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Better late than never to realise that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye > > > > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in > > > > school. > > > > > > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an > > > > explanation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or > > > philosophy, > > > > one > > > > > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the > > > > > > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove > > the > > > > thorn > > > > > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " . > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess. > > And > > > > > > > astrology is no exception. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > Jyothi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , " renunw " > > > > > > > <renunw@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should > > > > remain > > > > > > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to > > understanding > > > > the > > > > > > > > primary > > > > > > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually > > > > some > > > > > > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should > > be > > > > our > > > > > > > real > > > > > > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life > > > for > > > > once > > > > > > > > and for all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us > > to > > > > our > > > > > > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into > > > > > > ancient/modern > > > > > > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path???? > > Please > > > > note > > > > > > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I > > > > would > > > > > > like > > > > > > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this > > astrology > > > > too if > > > > > > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we > > > > rarely > > > > > > [not > > > > > > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in > > astrology, > > > > > > learning > > > > > > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt. > > > It > > > > has > > > > > > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous > > behaviour > > > > > > patterns > > > > > > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in > > > life. > > > > > > Other > > > > > > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to > > > our > > > > > > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging > > into > > > > the > > > > > > past > > > > > > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a > > > > waste > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > time. Is not it so???? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly > > > welcome. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > blessings > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Renu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from & #45; the World & #39;s favourite mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make your > homepage. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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