To Hari Venkatramanji- 2.5 letters

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Respected Sir,

 

In the doha it is said " Dhai Akshar Prem ke " means " the two letters

of Prem " . (Not two letters of Rama). It is clear cut that Kabir was

mentioning the 2 and 1/2 letter word Prem. I dont have any ambiguity

in this. But about why 2 and half, I believe it is when we split the

word Prem to constituent letters, we get two full leters (Pa and Ra)

and one half letter,M. M is as in Om. Since it is not complete,

totally it is 2 and half.

 

If Kabir intended Rama, he would have specifically used that word in

his doha, why must he mention about Prem? He has already mentioned

about Hari in the following doha:

Jab Mein Tha Tab Hari Nahin‚ Jab Hari Hai Mein Nahin

Sab Andhiyara Mit Gaya‚ Jab Deepak Dekhya Mahin

meaning

" When I was there, Hari was not there, when Hari is there, I am not

there, All darkness vanished when I saw the light " .

The true meaning according to my understanding is

 

" When ego (I) existed in me, God (Hari) didnt exist, when God

existed, my ego left, When I realised the God, all my ignorance

vanished " .

 

Moreover, he was talking about how to realise the iswhar or Rama in

us. And that is only through Love/Prem. That is what he intended. I

hope I am correct.

 

Regards,

Jyothi

 

 

 

 

 

, Venkataraman Hari

<venkataraman_hari wrote:

>

> Dear Sirs,

> Why Sri Kabir has said as 2.5. Kabir is a great

Bhakta of Sri Rama . Rama Nama is Taraka Nama. Raa--Ma i.e two and

half matras as per Sabdha Sastra. Kabir was initiated in to Sri Rama

Taraka Mantra by hisGuru Sri Swami Ramananda as per his byagraphy in

Bhakta

Vijaya.

 

>

Hari.Venkataraman

>

jyothi_b_lakshmi <jyothi_b_lakshmi wrote:

> Dear Renuji,

>

> I guess , it is because when we pronounce " Prem " , there is

no " akar "

> in it. Means, we say Prem and not Prema. In that way, the

letter " Ma "

> is incomplete, only half, as in " Hum " . " Pa " + " Re " + " M " - 2 and

half

> of Ma ). A wild guess. Only Kabir can say what he meant.

>

> Regards,

> jyothi

>

> , " renunw "

> <renunw@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > Thanks for your attempt. I think even Jyothi ji has given a

similar

> > meaning. But why two and a half..[Dhai] ???? What is the

> > significance of such an odd number?

> >

> > Anyway it is simply a lovely thought, which, if practised by

> > everyone, there would be much love and less hatred in this

world

> >

> > blessings

> >

> > Renu

> >

> > -- In , " Sreenadh "

> > <sreesog@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Renu ji,

> > > I am just wonder struck at the quote - me too don't know much

> > > Sanskrit. But it seems that the quote you provided is the doha

of

> > > Kabirdas or someone like that - learned ones please correct me

in

> > > this. It is Old Hindi and not Sanskrit.

> > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > The approximate meaning of this quote is - " No one becomes

(truly)

> > > knowledgeable by repeatedly reading (or memorizing) books. If

> some

> > one

> > > knows 2.5 letters (one or two letters) of Love, he is the true

> > > knowledgeable one "

> > > Dear learned ones, please provide the exact reference of this

> > verse

> > > (author and book) and the exact word by word meaning. I don't

> know

> > the

> > > meaning of all the words in that quote - the one I could

> understand

> > > are - Pothi = Book; Padh Padh Kar = By repeatedly reading;

> > > Pandit=Knowledgeable one (true scholar); Bhayo Na Koye = No one

> > > becomes; Dhai = two and a half; Akshar = Alphabet (letters);

Prem

> =

> > > Love; Prem Ke = of love; Jo = Whom so ever (the one); Padhe =

> > reads;

> > > So = He; Pandit Hoye = Becomes the knowledgeable one.

> > > I don't know the meaning of the words - Jasg Mua. Some one

> > please

> > > clarify this. May be Jyoti ji can shed more light on this.

> > > Love,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > > , " renunw "

> <renunw@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Jyothi,

> > > >

> > > > Kindly explain the meaning of the follwoing please...I am not

> > > > familiar with Sanskrit..though I understand a word or two

here

> > or

> > > > there..But frankly I am clueless of the overall meaning

> > > >

> > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > >

> > > > Thanks ...

> > > >

> > > > blessings

> > > >

> > > > Renu

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > --- In

> > , " jyothi_b_lakshmi "

> > > > <jyothilakshmi.b@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Renuji,

> > > > >

> > > > > What you have mentioned is a question that haunts the

> > subconcious

> > > > > mind of any person with a genuine spiritual quest. I wish,

in

> > your

> > > > > mind,this question doesnt remain a question always. Some

time

> > we

> > > > > need to get an answer.

> > > > >

> > > > > Better late than never to realise that

> > > > >

> > > > > " Pothi Padh Padh Kar Jag Mua, Pandit Bhayo Na Koye

> > > > > Dhai Akshar Prem Ke, Jo Padhe so Pandit Hoye "

> > > > >

> > > > > I have copied Kabir das' lines which we all have studied in

> > school.

> > > > > Hope every body knows the meaning and do not need an

> > explanation.

> > > > >

> > > > > I have always felt that whether it is astrology or

> philosophy,

> > one

> > > > > must leave everything at one point. People who have had the

> > > > > realisation has rightly said that " Use a thorn to remove

the

> > thorn

> > > > > in your leg and leave both the thorns " .

> > > > >

> > > > > But we all are still keeping the thorn with us, I guess.

And

> > > > > astrology is no exception.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards,

> > > > > Jyothi

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " renunw "

> > > > > <renunw@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > " Like Buddha said there are several questions that needs

to

> > be

> > > > > > > answered first; and till then several questions should

> > remain

> > > > > > > unanswered. Asking that questions prior to

understanding

> > the

> > > > > > primary

> > > > > > > would be turning to an erroneous path - and so actually

> > some

> > > > > > > questions are there which should never be asked now. "

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Exactly. I totally agree with you. After all what should

be

> > our

> > > > > real

> > > > > > aim in life? ...cessation of this vicious circle of life

> for

> > once

> > > > > > and for all.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > The question is not digging into the past would take us

to

> > our

> > > > > > ultimate objective in life, but whether digging into

> > > > ancient/modern

> > > > > > astrology would also lead us on the correct path????

Please

> > note

> > > > > > that I don't mean any insult here. Truly, Sreenadh ji, I

> > would

> > > > like

> > > > > > to know what is the purpose of learning all this

astrology

> > too if

> > > > > > destiny, consequences of our past Karma is something we

> > rarely

> > > > [not

> > > > > > never] can change. Yes, even I am interested in

astrology,

> > > > learning

> > > > > > it etc. etc. I too may be in an erroneous path, no doubt.

> It

> > has

> > > > > > become a hobby. But 'ups and downs with numerous

behaviour

> > > > patterns

> > > > > > of planets' teach us or make us realize the reality in

> life.

> > > > Other

> > > > > > than that I cannot see anything which would contribute to

> our

> > > > > > ultimate goal or 'nirvana'. So it is not only digging

into

> > the

> > > > past

> > > > > > but also predicting future would be a futile effort and a

> > waste

> > > > of

> > > > > > time. Is not it so????

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you can express your view on this, you are mostly

> welcome.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > blessings

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Renu

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

 

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