Taming of the fire

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Dear GroupMars is gearing up to enter cancer, its neech rashi.. time to take note of the fire in cancer... Mars is the energy reservoir of a chart.

More than any other planet, it is mars who makes or ma..rs a person… Mars is the planet that gives clues to where a person is utilizing his energies. Any planet backed by a benefic and strong mars, get a huge energy resource to do his job and never fails to give results par excellence.

Mars becomes the commander for that planet. The energies utilized or mis-utilised depend on the hit-mars or miss-mars Now how do we look at a debilitated Mars… a hit case or a miss-case.

Is it a weak mars? ....a malefic mars? ….or a strong mars in its own peculiar way. Mars debilitates in the 4th house of kaalpurush, in its friend's sign cancer. And in cancer lagna, mars becomes a yogkarak!

So how to assess this mars? The position of mars in 4th house has already been much maligned by one and all. For girls it becomes a sure-shot certificate for losing points in matchmaking.

What if mars debilitates in 8H? In 8th mars becomes totally untouchable…the girls with such a mars will not be touched even with a barge pole …causes vaidhavya yoga!!

What a about its debilitation in 1,5,9 the Dharma trikon? A malefic is said to become a benefic in trikons. Does it become a tamed mars or does it send dharma for a toss and becomes adharmi?

And in kendras? Where malefics lose there maleficence… What happens to mars which becomes neech in kendras that instead of a Ruchak Yoga it becomes a source of misery.

What about the other houses? A neecha mars is supposed to give good results in upchay houses – 3,6,10 and 11. What happens to this mars if the karma in 10th is not up to the mark for 3,6,11 will not give upchay without karma from 10th. With a weak 10th house, where does the upchay of mars in 6H take the native.

What for the two neutrals flanking our lagna? What if mars debilitates in 2nd or 12th? Kuja dosh has already been scorned at when mars happens to be in 1/2/4/7/8/12 from lagna or moon. What if a debilitated mars causes the kuja dosh? Will such natives not get any marital bliss?

Neech position arouses fear and worry in the minds of most individuals. No one desires to have a debilitated planet and certainly having anything "neecha" implies that there is some type of handicap situation.

But not all is neech with a neech mars – Mars, represents physical power, energy and strength and rules athletics. Many fine and famous athletes have a debilitated Mars in their charts. How can this be the case? Do these natives get an innate desire to strengthen that energy in the chart and focus their attention and actions on building up the areas related to mars's significations.

Let us try to seek answers to some of these questions. Please Note: While it is difficult to make blanket statements about one situation in a chart without COMPLETE ANALYSIS of an individual's ENTIRE CHART. And it might be dangerous and misleading to take one planet and blow it up as we need to take many factors into consideration we are here trying to see common factors that have been attributed by a neech mars across the board.

A planet in debility, is not necessarily ruined for all of its significations. We get instances of both who have been badly affected by such a mars and also some who have risen in there fields because of such a mars. Which factors would differentiate these positions?

I would request all the members to give there opinions on debilitated mars, supported by data so that we make our understanding about the red planet a little more clearer.

A brief note on what some of the classics say: Hora Sara: Mangal is strong, when he wins a war between Grahas, while in retrograde motion, when brilliant (i. e. not combust), when in Makar, Kumbh, Meen, in his southerly course, during night, in his own Amsh, in his own Rasi, on Tuesday and in the Dreshkan ruled by him. He has full strength, when on the meridian, or Karm Bhava. He is strong in the beginning of a Rasi, weak in the middle portion and moderately strong at the end.

Jatak Bharnam says that when mars is in cancer, the native lives in the house of some other man, is extremely wretched, devoid of intelligence, oppressed by his enemies, remains unhappy due to quarrels made by his powerful wife. The author of Jatak Bharnam notes that the native is of irritating nature, becomes angry very soon when something undesirable happens to him. But he is ambitious, courageous, fearless and industrious. He does indefatigable labour to keep his family happy.

Saravali: If Mars is in Cancer at birth, the subject will like living in others houses, be deformed, sick, will attain riches through agriculture, will enjoy royal food and robes during childhood, will eat food in others houses, will become wealthy through the source of water, be repeatedly anguished and be always distressed.

Since mars debilitates in the fourth house of kaalpurush, this is what Mars does in the Fourth House: Bhrigu Sutras: There will be adversities in the family of the native causing domestic disturbances. The father may die in the eighth year of the native's and the mother of the native will always be in bad health. The native will enjoy good health but will have no land of his own, he will be poor and live in a dilapidated house.

He will have inimical relations with his near relatives, will live away from his native place and will be without proper clothes. If Mars is associated with Mercury (his enemy), the native may not have a house of his own but may have to live in somebody else's house.

If Mars is in his sign of debilitation (Cancer) and is associated with a malefic or malefics or the lord of the 8th house, the native will suffer the loss of his mother early in his life. If Mars is in his own sign (Aries or Scorpio) or in his sign of exaltation (Capricorn) and is in conjunction with a benefic or is in a friendly sign, the native will own conveyances, lands and his mother will be long-lived.

Phaldeepika: The native will be without mother (that is he will lose his mother in his early life), will be without friends, happiness, conveyances and lands. Saravali: The native will have no house, grains, proper clothes, relations, conveyances will have no happiness and will have to live in a house not his own.

Chamatkar Chintamani - Inspite of the other planets being favourable in the horoscope, if Mars is in the fourth, the native will be deprived of happiness from father, mother, wife and children (in other words his domestic life will be unhappy). But the native gets land and clothes by the favour of the king (Government).

Let us see how a debilitated mars has affected the natives in general, in dasha/antars and in transits… Regardsneelam

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Dear All,

A small but very interesting take on Mars debilitated. i knew an astrologer who has Mars in 2nd house cancer. This mars has no doubt given him a short temper and slightly harsh speaker ( he tries to be polite ). In a general reference to debilitated Mars, he mentioned his own example that , it actually gives him frequent opportunity to make money.

I personally think, it is because Mars's dispositor - Moon transits thru its own house(wealth) every month, forming laxmi yoga and also they are aspecting each other at least once a month when moon transits 8th house..

Mars in 4th house ( in Cancer) does create some fatigue for Aries ascendant but due to aspect on 10th house, it also creates enormous amount of hard work / karma.

Please remember, Mars will be with Ketu and opposite Rahu. Special transit. Ocean behaves violently and lots of sea acciedents.

Last time when mars was in Cancer ( for a long trasit of 6 months ), we had the great deluge in Mumbai. In fact 2/3 days before that day, I was talking to the above mentioned astrolger and we observed that Mars and Rahu's degrees were going to match ( rahu was in Pisces, 9th aspect ) + other factors would lead to an "explosive situation" --- where?

In water !!! Confused we left it at that.

The deluge was also accompanied by an oil rig explosion in Bombay High. That was stunning to both of us.

Do not know what the current transit will lead to.

Thanks & regards.

Chiranjiv.--- On Thu, 10/4/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Taming of the fire"" Thursday, 10 April, 2008, 12:54 PM

 

 

Dear GroupMars is gearing up to enter cancer, its neech rashi.. time to take note of the fire in cancer... Mars is the energy reservoir of a chart. More than any other planet, it is mars who makes or ma..rs a person… Mars is the planet that gives clues to where a person is utilizing his energies. Any planet backed by a benefic and strong mars, get a huge energy resource to do his job and never fails to give results par excellence. Mars becomes the commander for that planet. The energies utilized or mis-utilised depend on the hit-mars or miss-mars Now how do we look at a debilitated Mars… a hit case or a miss-case. Is it a weak mars? ....a malefic mars? ….or a strong mars in its own peculiar way. Mars debilitates in the 4th house of kaalpurush, in its friend's sign cancer. And in cancer lagna, mars becomes a yogkarak! So how to assess this mars? The position of mars in 4th house has already been much maligned by one and all. For girls it becomes a sure-shot certificate for losing points in matchmaking. What if mars debilitates in 8H? In 8th mars becomes totally untouchable…the girls with such a mars will not be touched even with a barge pole …causes vaidhavya yoga!! What a about its debilitation in 1,5,9 the Dharma trikon? A malefic is said to become a benefic in trikons. Does it become a tamed mars or does it send dharma for a toss and becomes adharmi? And in kendras? Where malefics lose there maleficence… What happens to mars which becomes neech in kendras that instead of a Ruchak Yoga it becomes a source of misery. What about the other houses? A neecha mars is supposed to give good results in upchay houses – 3,6,10 and 11. What happens to this mars if the karma in 10th is not up to the mark for 3,6,11 will not give upchay without karma from 10th. With a weak 10th house, where does the upchay of mars in 6H take the native. What for the two neutrals flanking our lagna? What if mars debilitates in 2nd or 12th? Kuja dosh has already been scorned at when mars happens to be in 1/2/4/7/8/12 from lagna or moon.. What if a debilitated mars causes the kuja dosh? Will such natives not get any marital bliss? Neech position arouses fear and worry in the minds of most individuals. No one desires to have a debilitated planet and certainly having anything "neecha" implies that there is some type of handicap situation. But not all is neech with a neech mars – Mars, represents physical power, energy and strength and rules athletics. Many fine and famous athletes have a debilitated Mars in their charts. How can this be the case? Do these natives get an innate desire to strengthen that

energy in the chart and focus their attention and actions on building up the areas related to mars's significations. Let us try to seek answers to some of these questions. Please Note: While it is difficult to make blanket statements about one situation in a chart without COMPLETE ANALYSIS of an individual's ENTIRE CHART. And it might be dangerous and misleading to take one planet and blow it up as we need to take many factors into consideration we are here trying to see common factors that have been attributed by a neech mars across the board. A planet in debility, is not necessarily ruined for all of its significations. We get instances of both who have been badly affected by such a mars and also some who have risen in there fields because of such a mars. Which factors would

differentiate these positions? I would request all the members to give there opinions on debilitated mars, supported by data so that we make our understanding about the red planet a little more clearer. A brief note on what some of the classics say: Hora Sara: Mangal is strong, when he wins a war between Grahas, while in retrograde motion, when brilliant (i. e. not combust), when in Makar, Kumbh, Meen, in his southerly course, during night, in his own Amsh, in his own Rasi, on Tuesday and in the Dreshkan ruled by him. He has full strength, when on the meridian, or Karm Bhava. He is strong in the beginning of a Rasi, weak in the middle portion and moderately strong at the end. Jatak Bharnam says that when mars is in cancer, the native lives in the house of some other man, is extremely wretched, devoid of intelligence, oppressed by his

enemies, remains unhappy due to quarrels made by his powerful wife. The author of Jatak Bharnam notes that the native is of irritating nature, becomes angry very soon when something undesirable happens to him. But he is ambitious, courageous, fearless and industrious. He does indefatigable labour to keep his family happy. Saravali: If Mars is in Cancer at birth, the subject will like living in others houses, be deformed, sick, will attain riches through agriculture, will enjoy royal food and robes during childhood, will eat food in others houses, will become wealthy through the source of water, be repeatedly anguished and be always distressed. Since mars debilitates in the fourth house of kaalpurush, this is what Mars does in the Fourth House: Bhrigu Sutras: There will be adversities in the family of the native causing domestic disturbances. The father

may die in the eighth year of the native's and the mother of the native will always be in bad health. The native will enjoy good health but will have no land of his own, he will be poor and live in a dilapidated house. He will have inimical relations with his near relatives, will live away from his native place and will be without proper clothes. If Mars is associated with Mercury (his enemy), the native may not have a house of his own but may have to live in somebody else's house. If Mars is in his sign of debilitation (Cancer) and is associated with a malefic or malefics or the lord of the 8th house, the native will suffer the loss of his mother early in his life. If Mars is in his own sign (Aries or Scorpio) or in his sign of exaltation (Capricorn) and is in conjunction with a benefic or is in a friendly sign, the native will own conveyances, lands and his mother will be

long-lived. Phaldeepika: The native will be without mother (that is he will lose his mother in his early life), will be without friends, happiness, conveyances and lands. Saravali: The native will have no house, grains, proper clothes, relations, conveyances will have no happiness and will have to live in a house not his own. Chamatkar Chintamani - Inspite of the other planets being favourable in the horoscope, if Mars is in the fourth, the native will be deprived of happiness from father, mother, wife and children (in other words his domestic life will be unhappy). But the native gets land and clothes by the favour of the king (Government) . Let us see how a debilitated mars has affected the natives in general, in dasha/antars and in transits…

Regardsneelam

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dear neelam ji

 

Good post >give me time to respond it as u know my mind is bit slow this days .As over working in nite and day time hardly any proper rest .

 

Keep it up and welcome

 

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, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Group> > Mars is gearing up to enter cancer, its neech rashi.. time to take note of> the fire in cancer...> > Mars is the energy reservoir of a chart.> > More than any other planet, it is mars who makes or ma..rs a person…> > Mars is the planet that gives clues to where a person is utilizing his> energies.> > Any planet backed by a benefic and strong mars, get a huge energy resource> to do his job and never fails to give results par excellence.> Mars becomes the commander for that planet.> > The energies utilized or mis-utilised depend on the hit-mars or miss-mars> > Now how do we look at a debilitated Mars… a hit case or a miss-case.> Is it a weak mars? ....a malefic mars? ….or a strong mars in its own> peculiar way.> > Mars debilitates in the 4th house of kaalpurush, in its friend's sign> cancer. And in cancer lagna, mars becomes a yogkarak!> So how to assess this mars?> > The position of mars in 4th house has already been much maligned by one and> all. For girls it becomes a sure-shot certificate for losing points in> matchmaking.> > What if mars debilitates in 8H? In 8th mars becomes totally untouchable…the> girls with such a mars will not be touched even with a barge pole …causes> vaidhavya yoga!!> > What a about its debilitation in 1,5,9 the Dharma trikon? A malefic is said> to become a benefic in trikons. Does it become a tamed mars or does it send> dharma for a toss and becomes adharmi?> > And in kendras? Where malefics lose there maleficence… What happens to mars> which becomes neech in kendras that instead of a Ruchak Yoga it becomes a> source of misery.> > What about the other houses? A neecha mars is supposed to give good results> in upchay houses – 3,6,10 and 11. What happens to this mars if the karma in> 10th is not up to the mark for 3,6,11 will not give upchay without karma> from 10th. With a weak 10th house, where does the upchay of mars in 6H take> the native.> > What for the two neutrals flanking our lagna? What if mars debilitates in> 2nd or 12th?> > Kuja dosh has already been scorned at when mars happens to be in> 1/2/4/7/8/12 from lagna or moon. What if a debilitated mars causes the kuja> dosh? Will such natives not get any marital bliss?> > Neech position arouses fear and worry in the minds of most individuals. No> one desires to have a debilitated planet and certainly having anything> "neecha" implies that there is some type of handicap situation.> > But not all is neech with a neech mars – Mars, represents physical power,> energy and strength and rules athletics. Many fine and famous athletes have> a debilitated Mars in their charts. How can this be the case? Do these> natives get an innate desire to strengthen that energy in the chart and> focus their attention and actions on building up the areas related to mars's> significations.> > Let us try to seek answers to some of these questions.> > Please Note: While it is difficult to make blanket statements about one> situation in a chart without COMPLETE ANALYSIS of an individual's ENTIRE> CHART. And it might be dangerous and misleading to take one planet and blow> it up as we need to take many factors into consideration we are here trying> to see common factors that have been attributed by a neech mars across the> board.> > A planet in debility, is not necessarily ruined for all of its> significations. We get instances of both who have been badly affected by> such a mars and also some who have risen in there fields because of such a> mars. Which factors would differentiate these positions?> > I would request all the members to give there opinions on debilitated mars,> supported by data so that we make our understanding about the red planet a> little more clearer.> > A brief note on what some of the classics say:> > Hora Sara: Mangal is strong, when he wins a war between Grahas, while in> retrograde motion, when brilliant (i. e. not combust), when in Makar, Kumbh,> Meen, in his southerly course, during night, in his own Amsh, in his own> Rasi, on Tuesday and in the Dreshkan ruled by him. He has full strength,> when on the meridian, or Karm Bhava. He is strong in the beginning of a> Rasi, weak in the middle portion and moderately strong at the end.> > Jatak Bharnam says that when mars is in cancer, the native lives in the> house of some other man, is extremely wretched, devoid of intelligence,> oppressed by his enemies, remains unhappy due to quarrels made by his> powerful wife. The author of Jatak Bharnam notes that the native is of> irritating nature, becomes angry very soon when something undesirable> happens to him. But he is ambitious, courageous, fearless and industrious.> He does indefatigable labour to keep his family happy.> > Saravali: If Mars is in Cancer at birth, the subject will like living in> others houses, be deformed, sick, will attain riches through agriculture,> will enjoy royal food and robes during childhood, will eat food in others> houses, will become wealthy through the source of water, be repeatedly> anguished and be always distressed.> > Since mars debilitates in the fourth house of kaalpurush, this is what Mars> does in the Fourth House:> > Bhrigu Sutras: There will be adversities in the family of the native causing> domestic disturbances. The father may die in the eighth year of the native's> and the mother of the native will always be in bad health. The native will> enjoy good health but will have no land of his own, he will be poor and live> in a dilapidated house.> He will have inimical relations with his near relatives, will live away from> his native place and will be without proper clothes. If Mars is associated> with Mercury (his enemy), the native may not have a house of his own but may> have to live in somebody else's house.> If Mars is in his sign of debilitation (Cancer) and is associated with a> malefic or malefics or the lord of the 8th house, the native will suffer the> loss of his mother early in his life.> If Mars is in his own sign (Aries or Scorpio) or in his sign of exaltation> (Capricorn) and is in conjunction with a benefic or is in a friendly sign,> the native will own conveyances, lands and his mother will be long-lived.> > Phaldeepika: The native will be without mother (that is he will lose his> mother in his early life), will be without friends, happiness, conveyances> and lands.> > Saravali: The native will have no house, grains, proper clothes, relations,> conveyances will have no happiness and will have to live in a house not his> own.> > Chamatkar Chintamani - Inspite of the other planets being favourable in the> horoscope, if Mars is in the fourth, the native will be deprived of> happiness from father, mother, wife and children (in other words his> domestic life will be unhappy). But the native gets land and clothes by the> favour of the king (Government).> > Let us see how a debilitated mars has affected the natives in general, in> dasha/antars and in transits…> > Regards> neelam>

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Dear Neelamji & all,

The meeting of Ketu+Mars ( + - 5 degrees ) should be the time of such events. Individually people may face events ( good / bad ) when the transiting planets pass over degrees of natal planet ( if any ). What general events can be predicted ???

Mars is karaka of Bhoomi and would have just come from a 6 month long transit of Gemini

which is house of its maraka Budh.

A tired mars can lead to Earthquakes most probably under water as it is in a watery sign.

Extremely violent acts ( mars+ketu ), deception and arson ( Mars <-> Rahu ).

No gaze of Jupiter to control things.

So let us see...

BTW. Mars weakened is seen in Surgeons ? Sreeramji and others may throw more light on this.

 

Thanks & Regards.

 

Chiranjiv mehta.--- On Thu, 10/4/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Re: Taming of the fire Date: Thursday, 10 April, 2008, 2:48 PMDear Chiranjiv Mehta Ji,

These were very interesting observations. A small Dhan yoga caused every

month! For Gemini mars is also the 11th lord and hence gives gains. This

yoga becomes a combination of 2L-11L in 2nd house! May be your friend is

able to curb his sharp tongue with moon on 2H and hence people shell out

more dakshina for him...where is the moon in natal chart by the way?

*Mars will be with Ketu and opposite Rahu. Special transit. Ocean behaves

violently and lots of sea accidents.... yes it is said so..*

What happens as both Mars and Ketu are almost simultaneously going out to

capture from both sides and create ripples in cancer.

So is it when these two meet midway, we're going to see the watery

explosions?

Thanks you very much for interesting observations.

Regards

neelam

On 10/04/2008, chiranjiv mehta <vchiranjiv wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> A small but very interesting take on Mars debilitated. i knew an

> astrologer who has Mars in 2nd house cancer. This mars has no doubt given

> him a short temper and slightly harsh speaker ( he tries to be polite ).

In

> a general reference to debilitated Mars, he mentioned his own example that

,

> it actually gives him frequent opportunity to make money.

>

> I personally think, it is because Mars's dispositor - Moon transits

thru

> its own house(wealth) every month, forming laxmi yoga and also they are

> aspecting each other at least once a month when moon transits 8th house..

>

> Mars in 4th house ( in Cancer) does create some fatigue for Aries

> ascendant but due to aspect on 10th house, it also creates enormous amount

> of hard work / karma.

>

> Please remember, *Mars will be with Ketu and opposite Rahu. Special

> transit. Ocean behaves violently and lots of sea acciedents.*

>

> Last time when mars was in Cancer ( for a long trasit of 6 months ), we

> had the great deluge in Mumbai. In fact 2/3 days before that day, I was

> talking to the above mentioned astrolger and we observed that Mars and

> Rahu's degrees were going to match ( rahu was in Pisces, 9th aspect )

+

> other factors would lead to an "explosive situation" --- where?

>

> In water !!! Confused we left it at that.

>

> The deluge was also accompanied by an oil rig explosion in Bombay High..

> That was stunning to both of us.

>

> Do not know what the current transit will lead to.

>

> Thanks & regards.

>

> Chiranjiv.

---

 

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Dear Sheevani ji, I feel that the combust debilitated Mars is not as bad as just debilitated Mars. The combustion would have weakened its 'jaws'. But, such a combustion could add to the affliction of Sun. Comments welcome. Regards, Krishna

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Dearest Neelamji,

 

Namaste..

 

Phew, wow! u are good!

 

Let me give feedback step by step..

 

-// Must've got your daughter in Mar-rahu, may be through surgical

> intervention.//

 

 

During Mars rahu,, yes I had a daughter, had epidural, was put on

list for surgery, but the child was born by normal delivery with help

by forceps...

 

Yes kids are the backbone of my life..

 

Bought first property in mars-venus period.

 

I have always been religious, but true interest in spirituality began

after 1989..

 

//- Teaching and learning, that is life long with you. Might be

> connected with areas of health, nursing, dietetics and occult

sciences.//

 

 

Teaching and learning is definately a lifeline for me, a constant

never-ending desire..

 

Occupation in health related..

 

Siblings- yes there have been issues because when I speak my mind..

truth hurts.. Older brother had relationship and alcohol-related

health problems..

 

health problems to self.. yes during mars-ketu and mars venus.

escaped a few car crashes- no injury to self.. but had brief period

of hospitalisation, due to emotional and stress related issues..

relationship with partner caused showdowns!

 

Rahu-venus,, June 2004,, had surgery for removal of gall bladder..

 

Fluctuating finances.. yes definately..but rahu period was most

beneficial for accumulation of assests..

 

//What about mother's health?//

 

Mum's health was up and down during this period,, she was diagnosed

with diabetes..She had Dangue fever in 1998..Had some nodules in

abdomen and neck... excised - non-malignant.. Overall her health has

been delicate, but she is a strong spirited but kindly lady.

 

-// Are you very close to your parents and take advice from your

father?//

 

 

I am my 'dad's blue-eyed girl' Whatever I am today is with his

blessings.. He made me.. brought me up to be independant and self-

reliant and also to be knowledgeable about politics and

generalknowledge and world affairs. He give me the basics of business

management etc.

 

I am close to both my parents, and they can always rely on me for

support.

 

//- Did moon period give you some crushes and affairs.//

 

 

It was during Moon MD that I travelled to UK.. only then came to know

the opposite sex existed!!.. I met my husband in 1976 and had a long

courtship, getting married in dec 1980.

 

//- Do you have a sharp memory, good retention power? But absent-

minded for routine affairs? Like invariably letting milk boil off?//

 

Yes I have sharp memory and good retentive power,, and yes my milk

does overboil onto the stove, many a times!!! I put it down to multi-

tasking.. while cooking I am often during several other things

simultaneously...

 

//- Are you good in kitchen? Good culinary skills?//

 

Culinary skills - yes I do get frequent compliments and usual comment

from kids,, ''mum we cook just like u said,, but it doesnt taste the

same''

 

//- Rahu-rahu gave you a son also?//

 

Rahu mercury gave me a son.. May 1999..

 

//- You have tried to find a spiritual guru for yourself but so far

have

> not succeeded. You rather met wrong persons in the garb of a

Guru?//

 

Yes to the question of spiritual guru too.. people are not what they

seem to portray... and inevitablably their agenda comes to the fore!!

 

 

On the whole, I wud say your analysis is spot on.. Brilliant..

 

warmest regards

Sheevani

 

 

 

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Sheevani ji,

>

> Thanks for sharing your details. What better way to learn than from

personal

> experiences!

>

> 8th house is the most important house of your chart.

>

> - Your lagna lord and 4L exalts in 8H.

> - 5L/12L mars is in 8H

> - 2/3 lord Saturn in 11H aspects 8H for income

> - There is exchange of lords of 5th and 8th

> - There is a mutual aspect of saturn and mars and Saturn aspects

lagna

> also.

> - Mars is combust with 9L sun which is a good sign.

> - Mars does not leave moon in D-9, but has come out of

debilitation.

>

> Now in Mars MD, you will get results related to 5H, 8H and 12H but

not an

> easy way as mars is debilitated in 8H. There is also a vipreet

rajyog as 12L

> is in 8H.

>

> In mars MD, since Mars, Moon, Rahu and Saturn are connected through

nativity

> all these ADs would've been important for your personal affairs. In

my

> opinion following things would've had been important in mars MD:

>

> - Kids, and happiness of kids and through kids will be the

bottomline

> of all events in this MD, daughters as 5H has influence of moon,

sat.

> - Must've got your daughter in Mar-rahu, may be through surgical

> intervention.

> - Teaching and learning, that is life long with you. Might be

> connected with areas of health, nursing, dietetics and occult

sciences.

> (5-8)

> - Spirituality. You'll become religious and spiritual making some

> spiritual journeys, doing shiv pooja etc. Especially Mars-Jup

will give a

> major boost to spiritual practices. The introduction to shiva

that you got

> in moon, will now take roots.

> - You'll by property as mars is in 4th from moon and its own

house and

> is karak for property with 4L of property. You might have bought

property in

> Mars-jup.

> - Mars will not be good for siblings as it aspects both 3H and

11H,

> especially an elder sibling could've had a tough time in Mars-sat

> - Amidst all this you'll not keep very good health, especially

> mars-ket, Mars-ven would've proved troublesome.

> - There would be problem with husband also, he might be living

away on

> postings, sickness etc.

>

>

> I would think that this mars basically drove you hard and because

of its

> debilitation you took everything in your stride and faced the

situation with

> courage and now you can look back and smile with pride. But I'm

quite sure

> you'd have felt miserable at that time because of mars in

debilitation and

> in 8H. This mars must've given you fluctuating finances, loss of

assets

> also. You'd have felt happy with work, management, kids (5H) and

occult

> (8H), but unhappy with funds, efforts, siblings, friends, etc.

>

> Some questions that you need to answer:

>

> - Did you have any accident/sickness apart from surgery for child

> birth also during this period?

> - What about mother's health?

> - Are you very close to your parents and take advice from your

father?

> He is like your guide in life. You trust him more than your

husband?

> - Did moon period give you some crushes and affairs.

> - Do you have a sharp memory, good retention power? But absent-

minded

> for routine affairs? Like invariably letting milk boil off?

> - Are you good in kitchen? Good culinary skills?

> - Rahu-rahu gave you a son also?

> - You have tried to find a spiritual guru for yourself but so

far have

> not succeeded. You rather met wrong persons in the garb of a

Guru?

>

> These are some of the things that occur to me. Please confirm or

negate.

> Regards

>

> neelam

>

>

>

> On 10/04/2008, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sheevani ji,

> >

> > I feel that the combust debilitated Mars is not as bad as just

debilitated

> > Mars. The combustion would have weakened its 'jaws'. But, such a

combustion

> > could add to the affliction of Sun.

> >

> > Comments welcome.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > * *

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Krishnamurthy ji,

 

Namaste,

 

Thank you for your imput but I didnt fully comprehend how it adds to

the affliction to the sun.. kindly expand on this...

 

Many thanks

Sheevani

 

 

, Krishnamurthy

Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:

>

> Dear Sheevani ji,

>

> I feel that the combust debilitated Mars is not as bad as just

debilitated Mars. The combustion would have weakened its 'jaws'. But,

such a combustion could add to the affliction of Sun.

>

> Comments welcome.

>

> Regards,

> Krishna

>

> sheevani147 <sheevani147 wrote:

> Dear Neelamji,

>

> Namaste.

>

> Very interesting and timely topic. as mars is going into Cancer..

>

> As you know,, In my natal chart I have debilitated and combust Mars

> in the 8H and mars in a benefic for my dhanus lagna.. I have

already

> been through Mars Mahadasha, currently going through Rahu-mars

period.

> Mars is my 5HL and 12HL.

>

> Please feel free to ask any info you want about my mars Mahadasha..

> as a summary...

>

> I had 3 daughters during that period..

> Bought our first property during this period

> Got a very good post, related to teaching,

> sucessfully completed my masters degree.

>

> Most importantly,, I remember that the mars period,, I was very

very

> busy,, working full time, studying.,organising and looking after

home

> and very young kids, etc.. I remember that during that period if I

> got more than 4 hours sleep any night, it was bliss... The overall

> effect was that there was so much I need to do, and there was not

> enough hours in a day, mind was always 'under pressure', health

> remained good despite feeling exhausted,, felt like I was driven

only

> by 'sheer will power'

>

> Of course, this is due to choices I made.. I was greedy,, I wanted

> the teaching post, which paid better and gave me more satisfaction

as

> I love to teach.. but it also entailed that I took and completed my

> masters degree in the said area.. I perhaps cud have delayed having

> children?? I cud have postponed buying our first house, reducing

> financial pressure.? But mars gave the drive, energy, and blessings

> to make it all possible!!

>

> warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Souvik ji,Not only you, we are all learners and trying to get glimses of this divine world...Regardsneelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Sheevani ji and others,Thanks for the

feedback Sheevani ji and all others who are participating.

Sheevani's confirmations

only tell us that her mars is doing exactly what its supposed to do.

Mars is debilitated in

8H. Supposed to be inauspicious. But in this case there two major things that

save her from extreme calamities.

Mars in her chart is a benefic, being 5th

and 12th lord. By going to 8H, it has improved the 8H and

caused some deficiency with the 5H. LL Jupiter is with mars thus giving its

grace and adding to positivity of the 8H.

Nonetheless, she gets her

dose of mars with debilitation and 8H throughout her mars MD in the situation

and events that unfolded in that period. Situations were difficult, sudden

changes, troubles, sickness, hardwork, break-downs, etc. but at the same time

she had the strength and perseverance to go through all and come out a winner

to look back and say that she passed the test of time…

Sheevani ji, Ra-Mars

must've been trying times also for your family, mother, especially the eldest

kid (she's the one who will represent 5H). And if you could tell us something

about the Ra-Mo and ra-ma also. Saturn was transiting in cancer during that

period in 8th house from lagna and 4th from moon. It is

the dasha-chhidra also for you.

Krishnamurthy ji, mars

being combust with sun is giving her a solid support from father, religion and

her prarabdh which is taking her to the right course in life. It is a rajyog of

mars and sun, the 5th and 9th lords. The natural friends

have become atimitra in panchadha. It is good that sun has remained in 7H, even

in bhava chart. In Navamsh, 9H and leo rises and sun is vargottam. The

deep-rooted connection between lagna-LL-4L-moon-5L-sun-9L only confirms her

relationship with parents and seems to have been carried from previous life.

She shines through her father who is her father-cum-guru and her face to the

outer world.

I would request all the

learned members to present some charts and give their inputs.

RegardsneelamOn 11/04/2008, sheevani147 <sheevani147 wrote:

 

 

 

 

Dearest Neelamji,

 

Namaste..

 

Phew, wow! u are good!

 

Let me give feedback step by step..

 

-// Must've got your daughter in Mar-rahu, may be through surgical

> intervention.//

 

During Mars rahu,, yes I had a daughter, had epidural, was put on

list for surgery, but the child was born by normal delivery with help

by forceps...

 

Yes kids are the backbone of my life..

 

Bought first property in mars-venus period.

 

I have always been religious, but true interest in spirituality began

after 1989..

 

//- Teaching and learning, that is life long with you. Might be

> connected with areas of health, nursing, dietetics and occult

sciences.//

 

Teaching and learning is definately a lifeline for me, a constant

never-ending desire..

 

Occupation in health related..

 

Siblings- yes there have been issues because when I speak my mind..

truth hurts.. Older brother had relationship and alcohol-related

health problems..

 

health problems to self.. yes during mars-ketu and mars venus.

escaped a few car crashes- no injury to self.. but had brief period

of hospitalisation, due to emotional and stress related issues..

relationship with partner caused showdowns!

 

Rahu-venus,, June 2004,, had surgery for removal of gall bladder..

 

Fluctuating finances.. yes definately..but rahu period was most

beneficial for accumulation of assests..

 

//What about mother's health?//

 

Mum's health was up and down during this period,, she was diagnosed

with diabetes..She had Dangue fever in 1998..Had some nodules in

abdomen and neck... excised - non-malignant.. Overall her health has

been delicate, but she is a strong spirited but kindly lady.

 

-// Are you very close to your parents and take advice from your

father?//

 

I am my 'dad's blue-eyed girl' Whatever I am today is with his

blessings.. He made me.. brought me up to be independant and self-

reliant and also to be knowledgeable about politics and

generalknowledge and world affairs. He give me the basics of business

management etc.

 

I am close to both my parents, and they can always rely on me for

support.

 

//- Did moon period give you some crushes and affairs.//

 

It was during Moon MD that I travelled to UK.. only then came to know

the opposite sex existed!!.. I met my husband in 1976 and had a long

courtship, getting married in dec 1980.

 

//- Do you have a sharp memory, good retention power? But absent-

minded for routine affairs? Like invariably letting milk boil off?//

 

Yes I have sharp memory and good retentive power,, and yes my milk

does overboil onto the stove, many a times!!! I put it down to multi-

tasking.. while cooking I am often during several other things

simultaneously...

 

//- Are you good in kitchen? Good culinary skills?//

 

Culinary skills - yes I do get frequent compliments and usual comment

from kids,, ''mum we cook just like u said,, but it doesnt taste the

same''

 

//- Rahu-rahu gave you a son also?//

 

Rahu mercury gave me a son.. May 1999..

 

//- You have tried to find a spiritual guru for yourself but so far

have

> not succeeded. You rather met wrong persons in the garb of a

Guru?//

 

Yes to the question of spiritual guru too.. people are not what they

seem to portray... and inevitablably their agenda comes to the fore!!

 

On the whole, I wud say your analysis is spot on.. Brilliant..

 

warmest regards

Sheevani

 

, " neelam gupta "

 

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Sheevani ji,

>

> Thanks for sharing your details. What better way to learn than from

personal

> experiences!

>

> 8th house is the most important house of your chart.

>

> - Your lagna lord and 4L exalts in 8H.

> - 5L/12L mars is in 8H

> - 2/3 lord Saturn in 11H aspects 8H for income

> - There is exchange of lords of 5th and 8th

> - There is a mutual aspect of saturn and mars and Saturn aspects

lagna

> also.

> - Mars is combust with 9L sun which is a good sign.

> - Mars does not leave moon in D-9, but has come out of

debilitation.

>

> Now in Mars MD, you will get results related to 5H, 8H and 12H but

not an

> easy way as mars is debilitated in 8H. There is also a vipreet

rajyog as 12L

> is in 8H.

>

> In mars MD, since Mars, Moon, Rahu and Saturn are connected through

nativity

> all these ADs would've been important for your personal affairs. In

my

> opinion following things would've had been important in mars MD:

>

> - Kids, and happiness of kids and through kids will be the

bottomline

> of all events in this MD, daughters as 5H has influence of moon,

sat.

> - Must've got your daughter in Mar-rahu, may be through surgical

> intervention.

> - Teaching and learning, that is life long with you. Might be

> connected with areas of health, nursing, dietetics and occult

sciences.

> (5-8)

> - Spirituality. You'll become religious and spiritual making some

> spiritual journeys, doing shiv pooja etc. Especially Mars-Jup

will give a

> major boost to spiritual practices. The introduction to shiva

that you got

> in moon, will now take roots.

> - You'll by property as mars is in 4th from moon and its own

house and

> is karak for property with 4L of property. You might have bought

property in

> Mars-jup.

> - Mars will not be good for siblings as it aspects both 3H and

11H,

> especially an elder sibling could've had a tough time in Mars-sat

> - Amidst all this you'll not keep very good health, especially

> mars-ket, Mars-ven would've proved troublesome.

> - There would be problem with husband also, he might be living

away on

> postings, sickness etc.

>

>

> I would think that this mars basically drove you hard and because

of its

> debilitation you took everything in your stride and faced the

situation with

> courage and now you can look back and smile with pride. But I'm

quite sure

> you'd have felt miserable at that time because of mars in

debilitation and

> in 8H. This mars must've given you fluctuating finances, loss of

assets

> also. You'd have felt happy with work, management, kids (5H) and

occult

> (8H), but unhappy with funds, efforts, siblings, friends, etc.

>

> Some questions that you need to answer:

>

> - Did you have any accident/sickness apart from surgery for child

> birth also during this period?

> - What about mother's health?

> - Are you very close to your parents and take advice from your

father?

> He is like your guide in life. You trust him more than your

husband?

> - Did moon period give you some crushes and affairs.

> - Do you have a sharp memory, good retention power? But absent-

minded

> for routine affairs? Like invariably letting milk boil off?

> - Are you good in kitchen? Good culinary skills?

> - Rahu-rahu gave you a son also?

> - You have tried to find a spiritual guru for yourself but so

far have

> not succeeded. You rather met wrong persons in the garb of a

Guru?

>

> These are some of the things that occur to me. Please confirm or

negate.

> Regards

>

> neelam

>

>

>

> On 10/04/2008, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sheevani ji,

> >

> > I feel that the combust debilitated Mars is not as bad as just

debilitated

> > Mars. The combustion would have weakened its 'jaws'. But, such a

combustion

> > could add to the affliction of Sun.

> >

> > Comments welcome.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Krishna

> >

> > * *

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelamji,

On your observations of Shivaniji's chart a queiry slightly related to the topic :

1. You said : property buying as mars is 4th from moon. What about when moon is 4th from Mars?

More about Mars in cancer + Ketu.

Mars is debilitated in Cancer, Moon in Scorpio. Yet their yuti is synonimous with the Mahalaxmi rajyoga. Yet this is my observation :

The aspect of Mars on Moon or Yuti makes moon (already fast), hyperactive. This leads to the mind taking the person all over the place. We call this in various degrees from active to hyperactive. When Ketu ( extreme emotions ) joins this combination, we have the cocktail which leads to "breaking point" in some human beings.

Most acts of violence are committed under influence of emotions ( called variously as passion, anguish, anger ---- or avesh ). We will see this when Ketu+Moon+Mangal are togather in the sign of cancer.

 

Thanks & Regards.Chiranjiv Mehta.---

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji and Sheevani ji,

 

That was quite interesting....Congratulations Neelam ji once again

on your accurate observations and thanks Sheevani ji for your

comprehensive feedback!

 

No wonder..... when women get together could make men look small

 

blessings

 

Renu

, " sheevani147 "

<sheevani147 wrote:

>

> Dearest Neelamji,

>

> Namaste..

>

> Phew, wow! u are good!

>

> Let me give feedback step by step..

>

> -// Must've got your daughter in Mar-rahu, may be through surgical

> > intervention.//

>

>

> During Mars rahu,, yes I had a daughter, had epidural, was put on

> list for surgery, but the child was born by normal delivery with

help

> by forceps...

>

> Yes kids are the backbone of my life..

>

> Bought first property in mars-venus period.

>

> I have always been religious, but true interest in spirituality

began

> after 1989..

>

> //- Teaching and learning, that is life long with you. Might be

> > connected with areas of health, nursing, dietetics and occult

> sciences.//

>

>

> Teaching and learning is definately a lifeline for me, a constant

> never-ending desire..

>

> Occupation in health related..

>

> Siblings- yes there have been issues because when I speak my

mind..

> truth hurts.. Older brother had relationship and alcohol-related

> health problems..

>

> health problems to self.. yes during mars-ketu and mars venus.

> escaped a few car crashes- no injury to self.. but had brief

period

> of hospitalisation, due to emotional and stress related issues..

> relationship with partner caused showdowns!

>

> Rahu-venus,, June 2004,, had surgery for removal of gall bladder..

>

> Fluctuating finances.. yes definately..but rahu period was most

> beneficial for accumulation of assests..

>

> //What about mother's health?//

>

> Mum's health was up and down during this period,, she was

diagnosed

> with diabetes..She had Dangue fever in 1998..Had some nodules in

> abdomen and neck... excised - non-malignant.. Overall her health

has

> been delicate, but she is a strong spirited but kindly lady.

>

> -// Are you very close to your parents and take advice from your

> father?//

>

>

> I am my 'dad's blue-eyed girl' Whatever I am today is with his

> blessings.. He made me.. brought me up to be independant and self-

> reliant and also to be knowledgeable about politics and

> generalknowledge and world affairs. He give me the basics of

business

> management etc.

>

> I am close to both my parents, and they can always rely on me for

> support.

>

> //- Did moon period give you some crushes and affairs.//

>

>

> It was during Moon MD that I travelled to UK.. only then came to

know

> the opposite sex existed!!.. I met my husband in 1976 and had a

long

> courtship, getting married in dec 1980.

>

> //- Do you have a sharp memory, good retention power? But absent-

> minded for routine affairs? Like invariably letting milk boil

off?//

>

> Yes I have sharp memory and good retentive power,, and yes my milk

> does overboil onto the stove, many a times!!! I put it down to

multi-

> tasking.. while cooking I am often during several other things

> simultaneously...

>

> //- Are you good in kitchen? Good culinary skills?//

>

> Culinary skills - yes I do get frequent compliments and usual

comment

> from kids,, ''mum we cook just like u said,, but it doesnt taste

the

> same''

>

> //- Rahu-rahu gave you a son also?//

>

> Rahu mercury gave me a son.. May 1999..

>

> //- You have tried to find a spiritual guru for yourself but so

far

> have

> > not succeeded. You rather met wrong persons in the garb of a

> Guru?//

>

> Yes to the question of spiritual guru too.. people are not what

they

> seem to portray... and inevitablably their agenda comes to the

fore!!

>

>

> On the whole, I wud say your analysis is spot on.. Brilliant..

>

> warmest regards

> Sheevani

>

>

>

>

> , " neelam gupta "

> <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sheevani ji,

> >

> > Thanks for sharing your details. What better way to learn than

from

> personal

> > experiences!

> >

> > 8th house is the most important house of your chart.

> >

> > - Your lagna lord and 4L exalts in 8H.

> > - 5L/12L mars is in 8H

> > - 2/3 lord Saturn in 11H aspects 8H for income

> > - There is exchange of lords of 5th and 8th

> > - There is a mutual aspect of saturn and mars and Saturn

aspects

> lagna

> > also.

> > - Mars is combust with 9L sun which is a good sign.

> > - Mars does not leave moon in D-9, but has come out of

> debilitation.

> >

> > Now in Mars MD, you will get results related to 5H, 8H and 12H

but

> not an

> > easy way as mars is debilitated in 8H. There is also a vipreet

> rajyog as 12L

> > is in 8H.

> >

> > In mars MD, since Mars, Moon, Rahu and Saturn are connected

through

> nativity

> > all these ADs would've been important for your personal affairs.

In

> my

> > opinion following things would've had been important in mars MD:

> >

> > - Kids, and happiness of kids and through kids will be the

> bottomline

> > of all events in this MD, daughters as 5H has influence of

moon,

> sat.

> > - Must've got your daughter in Mar-rahu, may be through

surgical

> > intervention.

> > - Teaching and learning, that is life long with you. Might be

> > connected with areas of health, nursing, dietetics and occult

> sciences.

> > (5-8)

> > - Spirituality. You'll become religious and spiritual making

some

> > spiritual journeys, doing shiv pooja etc. Especially Mars-Jup

> will give a

> > major boost to spiritual practices. The introduction to shiva

> that you got

> > in moon, will now take roots.

> > - You'll by property as mars is in 4th from moon and its own

> house and

> > is karak for property with 4L of property. You might have

bought

> property in

> > Mars-jup.

> > - Mars will not be good for siblings as it aspects both 3H

and

> 11H,

> > especially an elder sibling could've had a tough time in Mars-

sat

> > - Amidst all this you'll not keep very good health, especially

> > mars-ket, Mars-ven would've proved troublesome.

> > - There would be problem with husband also, he might be

living

> away on

> > postings, sickness etc.

> >

> >

> > I would think that this mars basically drove you hard and

because

> of its

> > debilitation you took everything in your stride and faced the

> situation with

> > courage and now you can look back and smile with pride. But I'm

> quite sure

> > you'd have felt miserable at that time because of mars in

> debilitation and

> > in 8H. This mars must've given you fluctuating finances, loss of

> assets

> > also. You'd have felt happy with work, management, kids (5H) and

> occult

> > (8H), but unhappy with funds, efforts, siblings, friends, etc.

> >

> > Some questions that you need to answer:

> >

> > - Did you have any accident/sickness apart from surgery for

child

> > birth also during this period?

> > - What about mother's health?

> > - Are you very close to your parents and take advice from

your

> father?

> > He is like your guide in life. You trust him more than your

> husband?

> > - Did moon period give you some crushes and affairs.

> > - Do you have a sharp memory, good retention power? But

absent-

> minded

> > for routine affairs? Like invariably letting milk boil off?

> > - Are you good in kitchen? Good culinary skills?

> > - Rahu-rahu gave you a son also?

> > - You have tried to find a spiritual guru for yourself but so

> far have

> > not succeeded. You rather met wrong persons in the garb of a

> Guru?

> >

> > These are some of the things that occur to me. Please confirm or

> negate.

> > Regards

> >

> > neelam

> >

> >

> >

> > On 10/04/2008, Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sheevani ji,

> > >

> > > I feel that the combust debilitated Mars is not as bad as just

> debilitated

> > > Mars. The combustion would have weakened its 'jaws'. But, such

a

> combustion

> > > could add to the affliction of Sun.

> > >

> > > Comments welcome.

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > > Krishna

> > >

> > > * *

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear All,I'm giving here details of a male native with mars debilitated in 11H.He is virgo lagna and has a debilitated moon also. Like the previous chart there is an exchange of moon and mars. But so far he's not got a mars MD.

Details: 28.11.1962/1.45 AM/DelhiAll those who'd like to read how this mars would've behaved are welcome! Please give your observations. Regards

neelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji & other members,

 

In the following chart of a female native Mars is debilitated in 7H.

 

5th June 1959 @ 23:05 in Colombo, Sri Lanka.

 

Her Mars dasha is over...and if I may give a hint, focus on her

father during that period... if anyone is interested to know the

results of her debilitated Mars.

 

blessings

 

Renu

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji,

 

Namaste.

 

Thank you so much for spending so much time and effort on my chart.

It has given me deeper insight,

 

//And if you could tell us something about the Ra-Mo and ra-ma also.

Saturn was transiting in cancer during that period in 8th house from

lagna and 4th from moon. It is the dasha-chhidra also for you.//

 

My oldest daughter had problems with loss of self confidence begining

Feb 2007..(my ra-moon period) slight improvement after april 2007 and

by Oct 2007 she was becoming more positive again, but getting a job

was very important to her to build up her self image.. but despite

her best efforts,, a job eluded her.. She was also going through

shani sadesati..Moonsign is Cancer(Pushya) so mental stress and

frustrations was the manifested experience.

 

Sunil Nairji had predicted that it will happen in April/May this

year, when ketu moves out of leo.. She got a job on April 4th 2008...

Thank you Sunil ji and well done....( this is my rahu-mars period)

 

My mother had some nodules removed from her neck in March/april 2007.

Initially there was scare about possible malignancy, but it turned

out to be TB, so she had a course of treatment for six months.. she

is now well again..

 

Theme of flucuating finances continues,, and a lot of time and effort

is spent on property related activities- especially from Oct 06 till

dec 07.. and since march 08, these trend continues..This period also

co-incides with legal separation of financial assests between my

husband amd myself..

 

Hope that gives some insights on ground level experiences..

 

warmest regards

Sheevani

[Guest guest]

Dear Chiranjeev ji,The person is virgo lagna with a retrograde venus in 2H in libra, sun, moon and mercury in 3H in scorpio, saturn and ketu in 5H, Jupiter in 6th and mars and rahu in 11H.regardsneelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelam ji,

 

Thanks for your quick response..

 

Well, I would say that you are partly correct and partly wrong. A

very significant even occurred in April 1971 to this native's

father. The native and family had to go through lot of hardships

during this period.

 

Yes, he had to leave the house temporarily.

 

But, No... no extra marital-affair.

 

Let me give a clue...he was a politician.

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Renu ji,

>

> Before proceeding with my analysis would like you to give your

feedback on

> the following statement:

>

> The father had an extra-marital affair in this period and

literally left the

> family??

>

> Regards

>

> neelam

>

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dear grp and neelam ji ,

 

I think this post of u got deleted in moderation asked me to re post it .

 

Re: Taming of the fire

Dear Sheevani ji,Mars in 8th, as all our classics also say is not good. It becomes marak for 7H and by sitting in 8th, it gets further qualified to affect mangalya, provided there are other indications also reflected in 7H. Your 7H and 7L already being afflicted, this mars could carry out its plans. I had said about separating from husband in Mars itself (probably the seeds were sown), but being a sensitive issue, I could only give a hint. And now mars in its antar has been able to execute its plan further. That is why I was asking about the dasha chhidr where moon-mars combination will operate again.But what was the contribution of its debilitation, lets see if we can read:

 

It might have taken long for you to decide for separation from your husband otherwise mars would be aggressive and quick acting

You would have tried to patient and worked with perseverance This mars curbed the temper normally associated with moon in aries instead gave you a highly emotional make up. This mars also gave you a lot of tolerance which a normal mars will not have given. this debilitated mars could not give you happiness through brothers

You may give your feedback on the above points.Thanks for your prompt and honest feedback. That is how we can make our astrological studies more precise and fruitful.Fortunately, I had a lot of time on hand today and you were quick with your feedback! so good for all of us.regardsneelam

 

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Namaskar,

Father of native might have had to leave country due to some

circumstances, which I can not predict. He might not have been to

jail. Overall, very bad period for father and family.

Reagrds,

Sanjeev

 

 

 

, " renunw "

<renunw wrote:

>

>

> Dear Neelam ji,

>

> Thanks for your quick response..

>

> Well, I would say that you are partly correct and partly wrong. A

> very significant even occurred in April 1971 to this native's

> father. The native and family had to go through lot of hardships

> during this period.

>

> Yes, he had to leave the house temporarily.

>

> But, No... no extra marital-affair.

>

> Let me give a clue...he was a politician.

>

> blessings

>

> Renu

>

> , " neelam gupta "

> <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Renu ji,

> >

> > Before proceeding with my analysis would like you to give your

> feedback on

> > the following statement:

> >

> > The father had an extra-marital affair in this period and

> literally left the

> > family??

> >

> > Regards

> >

> > neelam

> >

>

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Dear Neelam ji,

Sorry, I didn't expect you to give a perfect analysis. Anyway what you have analysed in the first reply was near perfect. There had been a seperation from his wife and family.

"If it is Mars-mer he could've been held captive, like being imprisoned, etc. "

Yes, it was imprisonment and for 3 months since April 71, the family had not known the whereabouts of the father. He had been imprisoned till end of 1971.... Not done any crime or any wrong but a political vicitm...

Then during the last phase of debilitated Mars, in this native's horoscope, her dad had to face many more troubles ...kind of assaults etc....in his political career.

"We can see 9H of D-1 rising in D-9 with mars (indicating mars giving some results related to father) and 9L of D-1 having gone to 12H."

Thanks...the above .....explains a lot. Truly, we are learning a lot through your analysis

blessings

Renu

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Dear Sanjeev ji,

 

" However, native herself might be couragious ad fighter. "

 

Yes, she is courageous and a fighter.

 

blessings

 

Renu

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

I too have an interesting chart in my Data Bank having similar features

like Virgo Lagna and Moon_Mars exchange. Native was born on 12 Sept

1964, 08:15 AM at Kannur.

 

Lagna is Virgo, Moon in Anuradha in Scorpio. Mars in Kataka etc.

 

His father too met with some unexpected tragedy in 1987. But what about

Mars and Moon in 3 -11 exchange? Is it a bad combination?

 

chandra hari

 

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> I am coming back to the virgo lagna chart.

>

> 28.11.1962/1.45 hrs/delhi: The native is male, virgo lagna with a

retrograde

> venus in 2H in libra, sun, moon and mercury in 3H in scorpio, saturn

and

> ketu in 5H, Jupiter in 6th and mars and rahu in 11H.

>

> Here the debilitated mars has been the cause of much misery in the

natives

> life as we can see that the chart is in the grip of this mars who is

aided

> by Rahu.

>

> Mars is 3L and 8L and the most malefic planet for virgo. It

debilitates in

> 11H. This mars disposits the LL and luminaries in 3H, aspects 2L/9L

venus in

> 2H, 5L/6L Saturn in 5H and 4L/7L Jupiter in 6H, and of course R/K.

There is

> an exchange of moon and mars both debilitated.

>

> Though we say that debilitated planets are good in upchay houses, but

here

> mars and moon seem to have played havoc in his life. Although the

native has

> not yet crossed mars MD, but its influence of debilitated mars

visible.

>

> The basic problem being " Efforts never giving him gains " . There have

been

> losses in all his ventures. The 3-11 loop created by debilitated moon

and

> mars has not broken till date.

>

> There are many other small and big instances in his life which

indicate a

> difficult life.

>

> - He was born in Me-Me, the dasha of LL who is placed in scorpio, with

> moon in exchange with the 8L. This LL is with debilitated sun in 9H

aspected

> by mars.

> - He was born with congenital hernia which needed surgical removal.

> - In Mer-Sun he got burnt badly and almost lost his arm. The 12L sun

> in 3H, debilitated in navansh has made the situation worse.

> - In Ketu-sat he was implicated in a ragging case which he was only

> witnessing. Unfortunately, the student died during ragging. He was

dragged

> in a court case and was in jail for a few days. The case went on for a

> few years before he got a clean chit.

> - Life has been full of struggles for him.

>

>

> Despite the hardships, he is a morally sound, good individual and has

a lot

> of will power, tolerance and patience.

>

> Learned members may like to comment on this chart…

>

> Regards

>

> neelam

>

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A Hor(ror)scpoe of the worst kind of Fre.After reading about the firey Mars I am sending this for thr Experts.Mars with an exalted Sun has caused untold miseries to her family. DOB 14-04-08 TOB 0047Hrs ie 12.47 A M POB Bombay Though born to decent parents the girl was uncontrallable.She cud have scaled great heights as she is brilliant and has a photographic memory.But acdemically didnt shine much.Left home once and came back After marriage her husband and widowed mother in law r unable to suffer her temper tantrums.She did not let the marriage to be consummated for some 3-4 years after marriage.Now is strongly against having children.Her interpersonal relations r extremely poor and changes Jobs often. But the irony of all this is she is a very good(?!) human being whose heart is golden but the tongue has no control.Her anger

knows no limits. Long back Gayatridevi Vasudev had predicted that As Rahu Dasa ends and Jupiter Dasa begins a new equanimity will be seen.---------------- Her people r still waiting.neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: Dear Renu ji,Namaste,Its not so easy for me to hit upon the exact situation happening with one's father

through a person's chart. I could try with a little more confidence with the native's own chart.However, I could see a separation of father from her and also mother. If it is Mars-mer he could've been held captive, like being imprisoned, etc. We can see 9H of D-1 rising in D-9 with mars (indicating mars giving some results related to father) and 9L of D-1 having gone to 12H. Mercury is also karma lord od father and 6L of the native. So mars-mer in 2/12 in D-9 indicate a separation. Since venus was afflicted in 11H from 9th, I thought it could be because of a love affair. Now tell us what exactly had happened and we could then see the role of debilitated mars in it.Regardsneelam On 11/04/2008, renunw <renunw wrote: Dear Neelam ji,Thanks for your quick response..Well, I would say that you are partly correct and partly wrong. A very significant even occurred in April 1971 to this native's father. The native and family had to go through lot of hardships during this period.Yes, he had to leave the house temporarily.But, No... no extra marital-affair.Let me give a clue...he was a politician.blessingsRenu , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07

wrote:> > Dear Renu ji,> > Before proceeding with my analysis would like you to give your feedback on> the following statement:> > The father had an extra-marital affair in this period and literally left the> family??> > Regards> > neelam>

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Good day for all members!

Having mars in 8th house, I could say, that its influence have some

destructive influence. But is this influence caused by outer events?

No. The people with such mars have tendency to inner world of soul?

due to meaning of 8th house - the house of death and renaissance. As

Phoenix after fire....

And the outer world tries to attach to these people some common

features, equal for all, but these people are not just the same as the

others... Because they live on the edge of fire....

 

Lyudmila

, " sheevani147 "

<sheevani147 wrote:

>

> Dear Neelamji,

>

> Namaste.

>

> /// But what was the contribution of its debilitation, lets see if we

> can read:

>

>

> It might have taken long for you to decide for separation from your

> husband otherwise mars would be aggressive and quick acting

>

> You would have tried to patient and worked with perseverance

>

> This mars curbed the temper normally associated with moon in aries

> instead gave you a highly emotional make up.

>

> This mars also gave you a lot of tolerance which a normal mars will

> not have given.

>

> this debilitated mars could not give you happiness through brothers///

>

>

> I think this is a fitting summary of a debilitated mars for my

> horoscope..

>

> Only other thing I would add is that I tend to think a lot about all

> aspects of a particular decision and how it affects me and other

> persons involved etc and this makes it harder to make quick clear-cut

> decisions,, which means I procastinate and put-off making decisions

> unless I absolutely have to.. but when I DO make a decision, then

> nothing can stop me carrying it out. I dont lack courage.

>

> I tend to go for passive non-co-operation types of ressistance rather

> than head-on collisions. This obviously prolongs the situation.

>

> Moon in Bharni makes it difficult for me to suffer injustices, so I

> do speak up and hold my ground.. This is often misinterpreted as

> arrogance or stubborness.

>

> Mercury in gemini (dual sign) often gives alternative options too,

> making decisions more difficult.

>

> In summary.. debilitated mars gave lots of misery and activity but

> also power of endurance and as 5HL did not deny children or happiness

> from them.. if anything it made the mother-child bond stronger..

>

> warmest regards

> Sheevani

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Dear Nelamji:Normally, an exchange between kama trikona Lords cannot be bad. But here this case, there is no Neechabanga for both the debilitated planets. In addition, Mo is affected by combust Me. Debilitated Mars is also effected by the Rah -Ketu axis. The depositor of Rahu is again debilitated Mo. These things have made this exchange troublesome.However, We can see that Ve is very well placed; 2 and 9L in the 2H, aspected by 5th Lord Saturn. Both of them are friendly paraspara karakas.Venus is ninth Lord exhalted in the 2H in Nav. Venus dasa from 84 -04 must have been favorable. Can you confirm this?.Thanks and regardsanantha krishnanneelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: Dear All,I am coming back to the virgo lagna chart.28.11.1962/1.45 hrs/delhi: The native is male, virgo lagna with a retrograde venus in 2H in libra, sun, moon and mercury in 3H in scorpio, saturn and ketu in 5H, Jupiter in 6th and mars and rahu in 11H. Here the debilitated mars has been the cause of much misery in the natives life as we can see that the chart is in the grip of this mars who is aided by Rahu. Mars is 3L and 8L and the most malefic planet for virgo. It debilitates in

11H. This mars disposits the LL and luminaries in 3H, aspects 2L/9L venus in 2H, 5L/6L Saturn in 5H and 4L/7L Jupiter in 6H, and of course R/K. There is an exchange of moon and mars both debilitated. Though we say that debilitated planets are good in upchay houses, but here mars and moon seem to have played havoc in his life. Although the native has not yet crossed mars MD, but its influence of debilitated mars visible. The basic problem being "Efforts never giving him gains". There have been losses in all his ventures. The 3-11 loop created by debilitated moon and mars has not broken till date. There are many other small and big instances in his life which indicate a difficult life. He was born in Me-Me, the dasha

of LL who is placed in scorpio, with moon in exchange with the 8L. This LL is with debilitated sun in 9H aspected by mars. He was born with congenital hernia which needed surgical removal.In Mer-Sun he got burnt badly and almost lost his arm. The 12L sun in 3H, debilitated in navansh has made the situation worse.In Ketu-sat he was implicated in a ragging case which he was only witnessing. Unfortunately, the student died during ragging. He was dragged in a court case and was in jail for a few days. The case went on for a few years before he got a clean chit.Life has been full of struggles for him. Despite the hardships, he is a morally sound, good individual and has a lot of will power, tolerance and patience. Learned members may like to comment on this chart…Regardsneelam

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Dear Anantha Krishnan Ji,This is a very peculiar example where there

are no benefits of the exchange, rather only ill effects as sun and LL mercury

also get caught in the exchange.

All the planets are in the grip of mars,

who in turn does not get any benefic influence. There is no benefic in the

kendras and there is no neechbhang. Mars also aspects 9L venus in 2H who is

retrograde. Whatever he does seems to go wrong.

In venus dasha, he got married, had a son

and initially had got a good job as a management trainee (he did an MBA from a

good institute) which he left after one year to do business. Ever since then, I

think from 1988-89, he has been trying to settle down in business.

He belongs to a good, respectable family, has family

house to live in and marriage is stable for no other choice. He got a good

education and a good son….so far for venus and Saturn, but these areas are also

not trouble-free.

At each step in his life, there have been

battles to fight with lady luck. There have been many problems, litigations, outstanding

loans, etcStill he doesn't break easily and goes on with

will to fight. And his health is one area which is sound.Regardsneelam