Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Dear FRIENDS, It is surprising , some of respectable members are passing aspiration without even carefully reading my two articles. If I have posted two articles on Vargas , how I am thrusting my views on any one for that matter. Some members are in the chronic hobbit of being critical. God may grant them wisdom. I am getting mail from many fellow members who are quite appreciative and getting benefit from these articles. Regards,G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA Sreenadh <sreesog Thursday, 1 May, 2008 2:58:24 PM Re: Vargootama - Goel Ji/Chandra Ji Dear Pradeep ji,   Goel ji is free to express his views and others like Chandrahari ji is free to criticize it. As far as I am concerned, I hold my self back from responding to the mails of Goel ji due to prior mentioned reasons. It is all related to individual spines. I would be love to be spineless than trying to become spine full by supporting the baseless arguments/presentat ion  of goel ji in most of the situations; but also will appreciate him when ever he presents something valid and effortful. Just the quality of a unique spine. ;=)  Note: By the way I am not PVR, and Chandrahari too is not I know; PVR is PVR and Chandrahari is Chandrahari and I am Me; It is better not to compare things at times. Love and regards, Sreenadh ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh ji > > Thank you for the comments and views. > PVR Narasimha Rao ji had given full freedom to express my views in > his forum eventhough ,i was against his understandings/ views. > > Thus Shri Goel and others may be given a chance to express their > personal views ,which can then be countered using logic/pramana. > > This is my view and it is upto you to decide as i am not the owner of > this group:-). > > Regds > Pradeep > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > Well said! > > ==> > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocrisy or spineless > act :-). > > <== > > Yes, me too agree. > > ==> > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > opinion''. > > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > theories'' > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication > > > signatures. > > <== > > True!!! Yes, the authentication signatures, which are actually > > nothing but mis guiding without understanding, that cause the > problem. > > ==> > > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > the > > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line > > > with the principles of Tarka. > > <== > > Yes, but it is nothing but waste of time for us - and that is the > > problem we face; why should we waste that much time, if Goel ji is > not > > ready to listen and still not seeing the point? Most of his > statements > > are throughly against the fundamentals! ! Then where should be the > tarka > > start? How much time it will take? Will Goel ji listen to the same > and > > evolve? If all these is not going to happen - why waste too much > time > > after that? Is it not better to use that time for better purpose? > > ==> > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > because > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > and > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > relook > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > formulated > > > by Mahamunis. > > <== > > True. :=) > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandra ji > > > > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocricy or spineless > act :-). > > > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > opinion''. > > > > > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > theories'' > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication > > > signatures. > > > > > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > the > > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line > > > with the principles of Tarka. > > > > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > because > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > and > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > relook > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > formulated > > > by Mahamunis. > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " chandra_hari18 " > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > If he is free to hold his personal opinion, then people like > him can > > > > have their astrology, their sciences - all and their own > versions > > > for > > > > everything. Such people should not be allowed to telecast their > > > mental > > > > malady into the Public. > > > > > > > > Such theories reflect the grooming that certain students > receive in > > > > certain places. > > > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > --- In > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Goel ji > > > > > > > > > > Classics have only spoken about a planet or Lagna(rising > degree) > > > > > being in Vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > If we study the ganita part of astrology and divisions, or the > > > > > paramanas one can never speak of Bhava Vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > The reason is simple.Check the following instance - Take any > chart > > > > > with Lagna in Vargottama.You will find that all the ''bhavas'' > > > are in > > > > > Vargottama in those charts.Thus one can say Lagna is > > > Vargottama.Rest > > > > > is redundant.Amshas are not for bhavas.It is sad to note how > > > basics > > > > > are twisted. > > > > > > > > > > Thus there are no such Vargottamas as per my understanding > and as > > > > > mentioned by sages. > > > > > > > > > > You are free to hold your personal opionion. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Respected Sh.Goelji, There is no doubt articles written by you on Vragra are very useful and knowledgeble. I wish if you could write more artciles on Remedial Measures. Artciles on remedial measure will help us to gain knowledge and to serve the society. With regards Rajpal walke C-4, NPL Colony New Rajendra Nagar New Delhi-110060 India cell 09811522966 --- Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > Dear FRIENDS, > It is surprising , some of respectable members are > passing aspiration > without even carefully reading my two articles. > If I have posted two articles on Vargas , how I am > thrusting my views on any one for that matter. > Some members are in the chronic hobbit of being > critical. > God may grant them wisdom. > I am getting mail from many fellow members who are > quite appreciative and getting benefit from these > articles. > Regards,G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > > Thursday, 1 May, 2008 2:58:24 PM > Re: Vargootama - > Goel Ji/Chandra Ji > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > Goel ji is free to express his views and others > like Chandrahari ji is free to criticize it. As far > as I am concerned, I hold my self back from > responding to the mails of Goel ji due to prior > mentioned reasons. It is all related to individual > spines. I would be love to be spineless than > trying to become spine full by supporting the > baseless arguments/presentat ion of goel ji in most > of the situations; but also will appreciate him when > ever he presents something valid and effortful. > Just the quality of a unique spine. ;=) > Note: By the way I am not PVR, and Chandrahari too > is not I know; PVR is PVR and Chandrahari is > Chandrahari and I am Me; It is better not to compare > things at times. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji > > > > Thank you for the comments and views. > > PVR Narasimha Rao ji had given full freedom to > express my views in > > his forum eventhough ,i was against his > understandings/ views. > > > > Thus Shri Goel and others may be given a chance to > express their > > personal views ,which can then be countered using > logic/pramana. > > > > This is my view and it is upto you to decide as i > am not the owner of > > this group:-). > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, " Sreenadh " > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > Well said! > > > ==> > > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of > hypocrisy or spineless > > act :-). > > > <== > > > Yes, me too agree. > > > ==> > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his > ''personal > > opinion''. > > > > The problem starts when people starts trying > to sell ''own > > theories'' > > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too > with authentication > > > > signatures. > > > <== > > > True!!! Yes, the authentication signatures, > which are actually > > > nothing but mis guiding without understanding, > that cause the > > problem. > > > ==> > > > > But we also have a choice to logically and > pramana wise counter > > the > > > > personal views and understandings of such > views.Then it is in line > > > > with the principles of Tarka. > > > <== > > > Yes, but it is nothing but waste of time for us > - and that is the > > > problem we face; why should we waste that much > time, if Goel ji is > > not > > > ready to listen and still not seeing the point? > Most of his > > statements > > > are throughly against the fundamentals! ! Then > where should be the > > tarka > > > start? How much time it will take? Will Goel ji > listen to the same > > and > > > evolve? If all these is not going to happen - > why waste too much > > time > > > after that? Is it not better to use that time > for better purpose? > > > ==> > > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done > to astrology > > because > > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can > change only and if > > and > > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are > willing to take a > > relook > > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define > fundamentals as > > formulated > > > > by Mahamunis. > > > <== > > > True. :=) > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra ji > > > > > > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of > hypocricy or spineless > > act :-). > > > > > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his > ''personal > > opinion''. > > > > > > > > The problem starts when people starts trying > to sell ''own > > theories'' > > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too > with authentication > > > > signatures. > > > > > > > > But we also have a choice to logically and > pramana wise counter > > the > > > > personal views and understandings of such > views.Then it is in line > > > > with the principles of Tarka. > > > > > > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done > to astrology > > because > > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can > change only and if > > and > > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are > willing to take a > > relook > > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define > fundamentals as > > formulated > > > > by Mahamunis. > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, " chandra_hari18 " > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > If he is free to hold his personal opinion, > then people like > > him can > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Respected Sh.Goelji, There is no doubt articles written by you on Varga are very useful and knowledgeble. I wish if you could write more artciles on Remedial Measures. Artciles on remedial measure will help us to gain knowledge and to serve the society. With regards Rajpal walke C-4, NPL Colony New Rajendra Nagar New Delhi-110060 India cell 09811522966 --- Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > Dear FRIENDS, > It is surprising , some of respectable members are > passing aspiration > without even carefully reading my two articles. > If I have posted two articles on Vargas , how I am > thrusting my views on any one for that matter. > Some members are in the chronic hobbit of being > critical. > God may grant them wisdom. > I am getting mail from many fellow members who are > quite appreciative and getting benefit from these > articles. > Regards,G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > > Thursday, 1 May, 2008 2:58:24 PM > Re: Vargootama - > Goel Ji/Chandra Ji > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > Goel ji is free to express his views and others > like Chandrahari ji is free to criticize it. As far > as I am concerned, I hold my self back from > responding to the mails of Goel ji due to prior > mentioned reasons. It is all related to individual > spines. I would be love to be spineless than > trying to become spine full by supporting the > baseless arguments/presentat ion of goel ji in most > of the situations; but also will appreciate him when > ever he presents something valid and effortful. > Just the quality of a unique spine. ;=) > Note: By the way I am not PVR, and Chandrahari too > is not I know; PVR is PVR and Chandrahari is > Chandrahari and I am Me; It is better not to compare > things at times. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji > > > > Thank you for the comments and views. > > PVR Narasimha Rao ji had given full freedom to > express my views in > > his forum eventhough ,i was against his > understandings/ views. > > > > Thus Shri Goel and others may be given a chance to > express their > > personal views ,which can then be countered using > logic/pramana. > > > > This is my view and it is upto you to decide as i > am not the owner of > > this group:-). > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, " Sreenadh " > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > Well said! > > > ==> > > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of > hypocrisy or spineless > > act :-). > > > <== > > > Yes, me too agree. > > > ==> > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his > ''personal > > opinion''. > > > > The problem starts when people starts trying > to sell ''own > > theories'' > > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too > with authentication > > > > signatures. > > > <== > > > True!!! Yes, the authentication signatures, > which are actually > > > nothing but mis guiding without understanding, > that cause the > > problem. > > > ==> > > > > But we also have a choice to logically and > pramana wise counter > > the > > > > personal views and understandings of such > views.Then it is in line > > > > with the principles of Tarka. > > > <== > > > Yes, but it is nothing but waste of time for us > - and that is the > > > problem we face; why should we waste that much > time, if Goel ji is > > not > > > ready to listen and still not seeing the point? > Most of his > > statements > > > are throughly against the fundamentals! ! Then > where should be the > > tarka > > > start? How much time it will take? Will Goel ji > listen to the same > > and > > > evolve? If all these is not going to happen - > why waste too much > > time > > > after that? Is it not better to use that time > for better purpose? > > > ==> > > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done > to astrology > > because > > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can > change only and if > > and > > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are > willing to take a > > relook > > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define > fundamentals as > > formulated > > > > by Mahamunis. > > > <== > > > True. :=) > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra ji > > > > > > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of > hypocricy or spineless > > act :-). > > > > > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his > ''personal > > opinion''. > > > > > > > > The problem starts when people starts trying > to sell ''own > > theories'' > > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too > with authentication > > > > signatures. > > > > > > > > But we also have a choice to logically and > pramana wise counter > > the > > > > personal views and understandings of such > views.Then it is in line > > > > with the principles of Tarka. > > > > > > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done > to astrology > > because > > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can > change only and if > > and > > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are > willing to take a > > relook > > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define > fundamentals as > > formulated > > > > by Mahamunis. > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, " chandra_hari18 " > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > If he is free to hold his personal opinion, > then people like > > him can > === message truncated === ______________________________\ ____ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Om Gurave Namaha Dear Goelji, If I may humbly suggest to ignore such mails, your views and writings are highly appreciated by Jyotisha. Perhaps Honorary Moderator may like to monitor such instances. Please do continue to enlighten us by your writings. Best Sharat sohamsa , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Dear FRIENDS, > It is surprising , some of respectable members are passing aspiration > without even carefully reading my two articles. > If I have posted two articles on Vargas , how I am thrusting my views on any one for that matter. > Some members are in the chronic hobbit of being critical. > God may grant them wisdom. > I am getting mail from many fellow members who are quite appreciative and getting benefit from these articles. > Regards,G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog > > Thursday, 1 May, 2008 2:58:24 PM > Re: Vargootama - Goel Ji/Chandra Ji > > > Dear Pradeep ji, >   Goel ji is free to express his views and others like Chandrahari ji is free to criticize it. As far as I am concerned, I hold my self back from responding to the mails of Goel ji due to prior mentioned reasons. It is all related to individual spines. I would be love to be spineless than trying to become spine full by supporting the baseless arguments/presentat ion  of goel ji in most of the situations; but also will appreciate him when ever he presents something valid and effortful. Just the quality of a unique spine. ;=) >  Note: By the way I am not PVR, and Chandrahari too is not I know; PVR is PVR and Chandrahari is Chandrahari and I am Me; It is better not to compare things at times. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji > > > > Thank you for the comments and views. > > PVR Narasimha Rao ji had given full freedom to express my views in > > his forum eventhough ,i was against his understandings/ views. > > > > Thus Shri Goel and others may be given a chance to express their > > personal views ,which can then be countered using logic/pramana. > > > > This is my view and it is upto you to decide as i am not the owner of > > this group:-). > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > Well said! > > > ==> > > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocrisy or spineless > > act :-). > > > <== > > > Yes, me too agree. > > > ==> > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > > opinion''. > > > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > > theories'' > > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication > > > > signatures. > > > <== > > > True!!! Yes, the authentication signatures, which are actually > > > nothing but mis guiding without understanding, that cause the > > problem. > > > ==> > > > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > > the > > > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line > > > > with the principles of Tarka. > > > <== > > > Yes, but it is nothing but waste of time for us - and that is the > > > problem we face; why should we waste that much time, if Goel ji is > > not > > > ready to listen and still not seeing the point? Most of his > > statements > > > are throughly against the fundamentals! ! Then where should be the > > tarka > > > start? How much time it will take? Will Goel ji listen to the same > > and > > > evolve? If all these is not going to happen - why waste too much > > time > > > after that? Is it not better to use that time for better purpose? > > > ==> > > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > > because > > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > > and > > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > > relook > > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > > formulated > > > > by Mahamunis. > > > <== > > > True. :=) > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra ji > > > > > > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocricy or spineless > > act :-). > > > > > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > > opinion''. > > > > > > > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > > theories'' > > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication > > > > signatures. > > > > > > > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > > the > > > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line > > > > with the principles of Tarka. > > > > > > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > > because > > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > > and > > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > > relook > > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > > formulated > > > > by Mahamunis. > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " chandra_hari18 " > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > If he is free to hold his personal opinion, then people like > > him can > > > > > have their astrology, their sciences - all and their own > > versions > > > > for > > > > > everything. Such people should not be allowed to telecast their > > > > mental > > > > > malady into the Public. > > > > > > > > > > Such theories reflect the grooming that certain students > > receive in > > > > > certain places. > > > > > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > --- In > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Goel ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Classics have only spoken about a planet or Lagna(rising > > degree) > > > > > > being in Vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we study the ganita part of astrology and divisions, or the > > > > > > paramanas one can never speak of Bhava Vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason is simple.Check the following instance - Take any > > chart > > > > > > with Lagna in Vargottama.You will find that all the ''bhavas'' > > > > are in > > > > > > Vargottama in those charts.Thus one can say Lagna is > > > > Vargottama.Rest > > > > > > is redundant.Amshas are not for bhavas.It is sad to note how > > > > basics > > > > > > are twisted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus there are no such Vargottamas as per my understanding > > and as > > > > > > mentioned by sages. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to hold your personal opionion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Dear FRIENDS, It is surprising , some of respectable members are passing aspiration without even carefully reading my two articles. If I have posted two articles on Vargas , how I am thrusting my views on any one for that matter. Some members are in the chronic hobbit of being critical. God may grant them wisdom. I am getting mail from many fellow members who are quite appreciative and getting benefit from these articles. Regards,G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Sreenadh <sreesog Sent: Thursday, 1 May, 2008 2:58:24 PM Re: Vargootama - Goel Ji/Chandra Ji Dear Pradeep ji, Goel ji is free to express his views and others like Chandrahari ji is free to criticize it. As far as I am concerned, I hold my self back from responding to the mails of Goel ji due to prior mentioned reasons. It is all related to individual spines. I would be love to be spineless than trying to become spine full by supporting the baseless arguments/presentat ion of goel ji in most of the situations; but also will appreciate him when ever he presents something valid and effortful. Just the quality of a unique spine. ;=) Note: By the way I am not PVR, and Chandrahari too is not I know; PVR is PVR and Chandrahari is Chandrahari and I am Me; It is better not to compare things at times. :)Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji> > Thank you for the comments and views.> PVR Narasimha Rao ji had given full freedom to express my views in > his forum eventhough ,i was against his understandings/ views.> > Thus Shri Goel and others may be given a chance to express their > personal views ,which can then be countered using logic/pramana.> > This is my view and it is upto you to decide as i am not the owner of > this group:-).> > Regds> Pradeep> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Pradeep ji,> > Well said!> > ==>> > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocrisy or spineless > act :-).> > <==> > Yes, me too agree. > > ==>> > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > opinion''.> > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > theories''> > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication> > > signatures.> > <==> > True!!! Yes, the authentication signatures, which are actually> > nothing but mis guiding without understanding, that cause the > problem.> > ==>> > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > the> > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line> > > with the principles of Tarka.> > <==> > Yes, but it is nothing but waste of time for us - and that is the> > problem we face; why should we waste that much time, if Goel ji is > not> > ready to listen and still not seeing the point? Most of his > statements> > are throughly against the fundamentals! ! Then where should be the > tarka> > start? How much time it will take? Will Goel ji listen to the same > and> > evolve? If all these is not going to happen - why waste too much > time> > after that? Is it not better to use that time for better purpose?> > ==>> > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > because> > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > and> > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > relook> > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > formulated> > > by Mahamunis.> > <==> > True. :=)> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Chandra ji> > >> > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocricy or spineless > act :-).> > >> > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > opinion''.> > >> > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > theories''> > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication> > > signatures.> > >> > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > the> > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line> > > with the principles of Tarka.> > >> > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > because> > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > and> > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > relook> > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > formulated> > > by Mahamunis.> > >> > > Pradeep> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "chandra_hari18"> > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > >> > > > If he is free to hold his personal opinion, then people like > him can> > > > have their astrology, their sciences - all and their own > versions> > > for> > > > everything. Such people should not be allowed to telecast their> > > mental> > > > malady into the Public.> > > >> > > > Such theories reflect the grooming that certain students > receive in> > > > certain places.> > > >> > > > chandra hari> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Namaste Goel ji> > > > >> > > > > Classics have only spoken about a planet or Lagna(rising > degree)> > > > > being in Vargottama.> > > > >> > > > > If we study the ganita part of astrology and divisions, or the> > > > > paramanas one can never speak of Bhava Vargottama.> > > > >> > > > > The reason is simple.Check the following instance - Take any > chart> > > > > with Lagna in Vargottama.You will find that all the ''bhavas''> > > are in> > > > > Vargottama in those charts.Thus one can say Lagna is> > > Vargottama.Rest> > > > > is redundant.Amshas are not for bhavas.It is sad to note how> > > basics> > > > > are twisted.> > > > >> > > > > Thus there are no such Vargottamas as per my understanding > and as> > > > > mentioned by sages.> > > > >> > > > > You are free to hold your personal opionion.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Pradeep> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. 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Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Hare Krishna Dear Mr. Goel. SOme of these posts arent even from this group. The majority of people on this list appreciate your references and comments.. please do keep posting ,and presenting papers from your research. Ive been reading them daily. SOme people are having bad qualitites to attack, or argue at the drop of the hat , somehow they are feeling inadequate or feeling of self within is being threatened- you dont need to reply to such people who choose to argue ,rather than politely,respectfully discuss,etc also now adays people are loosing perspective in Kali Yuga. Even though this Sanjays , they are people with the rude habit to overtly critisize him. YOu can see most of the posts are from the same people , just ignore them. It just indicates they are NOT meditating, or doing Holy mantras,adequetly, or perhaps using other un Holy methods of worship etc. Either that or their Mars/Saturn/Rahu is badly placed. They would be wise to respect elders and senior members part of SJC. Thanks again to all the people of this group you offer their insights and Jyotish knowledge. best wishes Lakshmi sohamsa , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Dear FRIENDS, > It is surprising , some of respectable members are passing aspiration > without even carefully reading my two articles. > If I have posted two articles on Vargas , how I am thrusting my views on any one for that matter. > Some members are in the chronic hobbit of being critical. > God may grant them wisdom. > I am getting mail from many fellow members who are quite appreciative and getting benefit from these articles. > Regards,G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > > Thursday, 1 May, 2008 2:58:24 PM > Re: Vargootama - Goel Ji/Chandra Ji > > > Dear Pradeep ji, >   Goel ji is free to express his views and others like Chandrahari ji is free to criticize it. As far as I am concerned, I hold my self back from responding to the mails of Goel ji due to prior mentioned reasons. It is all related to individual spines. I would be love to be spineless than trying to become spine full by supporting the baseless arguments/presentat ion  of goel ji in most of the situations; but also will appreciate him when ever he presents something valid and effortful. Just the quality of a unique spine. ;=) >  Note: By the way I am not PVR, and Chandrahari too is not I know; PVR is PVR and Chandrahari is Chandrahari and I am Me; It is better not to compare things at times. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji > > > > Thank you for the comments and views. > > PVR Narasimha Rao ji had given full freedom to express my views in > > his forum eventhough ,i was against his understandings/ views. > > > > Thus Shri Goel and others may be given a chance to express their > > personal views ,which can then be countered using logic/pramana. > > > > This is my view and it is upto you to decide as i am not the owner of > > this group:-). > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > Well said! > > > ==> > > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocrisy or spineless > > act :-). > > > <== > > > Yes, me too agree. > > > ==> > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > > opinion''. > > > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > > theories'' > > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication > > > > signatures. > > > <== > > > True!!! Yes, the authentication signatures, which are actually > > > nothing but mis guiding without understanding, that cause the > > problem. > > > ==> > > > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > > the > > > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line > > > > with the principles of Tarka. > > > <== > > > Yes, but it is nothing but waste of time for us - and that is the > > > problem we face; why should we waste that much time, if Goel ji is > > not > > > ready to listen and still not seeing the point? Most of his > > statements > > > are throughly against the fundamentals! ! Then where should be the > > tarka > > > start? How much time it will take? Will Goel ji listen to the same > > and > > > evolve? If all these is not going to happen - why waste too much > > time > > > after that? Is it not better to use that time for better purpose? > > > ==> > > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > > because > > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > > and > > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > > relook > > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > > formulated > > > > by Mahamunis. > > > <== > > > True. :=) > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra ji > > > > > > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocricy or spineless > > act :-). > > > > > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > > opinion''. > > > > > > > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > > theories'' > > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication > > > > signatures. > > > > > > > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > > the > > > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line > > > > with the principles of Tarka. > > > > > > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > > because > > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > > and > > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > > relook > > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > > formulated > > > > by Mahamunis. > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " chandra_hari18 " > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > If he is free to hold his personal opinion, then people like > > him can > > > > > have their astrology, their sciences - all and their own > > versions > > > > for > > > > > everything. Such people should not be allowed to telecast their > > > > mental > > > > > malady into the Public. > > > > > > > > > > Such theories reflect the grooming that certain students > > receive in > > > > > certain places. > > > > > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > --- In > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Goel ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Classics have only spoken about a planet or Lagna(rising > > degree) > > > > > > being in Vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we study the ganita part of astrology and divisions, or the > > > > > > paramanas one can never speak of Bhava Vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason is simple.Check the following instance - Take any > > chart > > > > > > with Lagna in Vargottama.You will find that all the ''bhavas'' > > > > are in > > > > > > Vargottama in those charts.Thus one can say Lagna is > > > > Vargottama.Rest > > > > > > is redundant.Amshas are not for bhavas.It is sad to note how > > > > basics > > > > > > are twisted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus there are no such Vargottamas as per my understanding > > and as > > > > > > mentioned by sages. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to hold your personal opionion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Satyam Bruyat Priyam Bruyat Dear Shri Goel ji, I echo Lakshmi’s feelings. We value your contribution, so please continue sharing your knowledge and readings. Just one request, you mails seem to cut off the previous mails on the subject and since they could be from other groups, we do not get to see them and find difficulty in connecting up. Can you modify your settlings to keep the thread? Best Regards Ramesh sohamsa [sohamsa ] On Behalf Of lakshmikary Thursday, May 01, 2008 1:18 PM sohamsa Re: Vargootama Hare Krishna Dear Mr. Goel. SOme of these posts arent even from this group. The majority of people on this list appreciate your references and comments.. please do keep posting ,and presenting papers from your research. Ive been reading them daily. SOme people are having bad qualitites to attack, or argue at the drop of the hat , somehow they are feeling inadequate or feeling of self within is being threatened- you dont need to reply to such people who choose to argue ,rather than politely,respectfully discuss,etc also now adays people are loosing perspective in Kali Yuga. Even though this Sanjays , they are people with the rude habit to overtly critisize him. YOu can see most of the posts are from the same people , just ignore them. It just indicates they are NOT meditating, or doing Holy mantras,adequetly, or perhaps using other un Holy methods of worship etc. Either that or their Mars/Saturn/Rahu is badly placed. They would be wise to respect elders and senior members part of SJC. Thanks again to all the people of this group you offer their insights and Jyotish knowledge. best wishes Lakshmi sohamsa , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Dear FRIENDS, > It is surprising , some of respectable members are passing aspiration > without even carefully reading my two articles. > If I have posted two articles on Vargas , how I am thrusting my views on any one for that matter. > Some members are in the chronic hobbit of being critical. > God may grant them wisdom. > I am getting mail from many fellow members who are quite appreciative and getting benefit from these articles. > Regards,G.K.GOEL > Ph: 09350311433 > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > NEW DELHI-110 076 > INDIA > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > > Thursday, 1 May, 2008 2:58:24 PM > Re: Vargootama - Goel Ji/Chandra Ji > > > Dear Pradeep ji, >   Goel ji is free to express his views and others like Chandrahari ji is free to criticize it. As far as I am concerned, I hold my self back from responding to the mails of Goel ji due to prior mentioned reasons. It is all related to individual spines. I would be love to be spineless than trying to become spine full by supporting the baseless arguments/presentat ion  of goel ji in most of the situations; but also will appreciate him when ever he presents something valid and effortful. Just the quality of a unique spine. ;=) >  Note: By the way I am not PVR, and Chandrahari too is not I know; PVR is PVR and Chandrahari is Chandrahari and I am Me; It is better not to compare things at times. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep@ ...> wrote: > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji > > > > Thank you for the comments and views. > > PVR Narasimha Rao ji had given full freedom to express my views in > > his forum eventhough ,i was against his understandings/ views. > > > > Thus Shri Goel and others may be given a chance to express their > > personal views ,which can then be countered using logic/pramana. > > > > This is my view and it is upto you to decide as i am not the owner of > > this group:-). > > > > Regds > > Pradeep > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > Well said! > > > ==> > > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocrisy or spineless > > act :-). > > > <== > > > Yes, me too agree. > > > ==> > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > > opinion''. > > > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > > theories'' > > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication > > > > signatures. > > > <== > > > True!!! Yes, the authentication signatures, which are actually > > > nothing but mis guiding without understanding, that cause the > > problem. > > > ==> > > > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > > the > > > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line > > > > with the principles of Tarka. > > > <== > > > Yes, but it is nothing but waste of time for us - and that is the > > > problem we face; why should we waste that much time, if Goel ji is > > not > > > ready to listen and still not seeing the point? Most of his > > statements > > > are throughly against the fundamentals! ! Then where should be the > > tarka > > > start? How much time it will take? Will Goel ji listen to the same > > and > > > evolve? If all these is not going to happen - why waste too much > > time > > > after that? Is it not better to use that time for better purpose? > > > ==> > > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > > because > > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > > and > > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > > relook > > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > > formulated > > > > by Mahamunis. > > > <== > > > True. :=) > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra ji > > > > > > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocricy or spineless > > act :-). > > > > > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > > opinion''. > > > > > > > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > > theories'' > > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication > > > > signatures. > > > > > > > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > > the > > > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line > > > > with the principles of Tarka. > > > > > > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > > because > > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > > and > > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > > relook > > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > > formulated > > > > by Mahamunis. > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " chandra_hari18 " > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > If he is free to hold his personal opinion, then people like > > him can > > > > > have their astrology, their sciences - all and their own > > versions > > > > for > > > > > everything. Such people should not be allowed to telecast their > > > > mental > > > > > malady into the Public. > > > > > > > > > > Such theories reflect the grooming that certain students > > receive in > > > > > certain places. > > > > > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Goel ji > > > > > > > > > > > > Classics have only spoken about a planet or Lagna(rising > > degree) > > > > > > being in Vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > > > If we study the ganita part of astrology and divisions, or the > > > > > > paramanas one can never speak of Bhava Vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason is simple.Check the following instance - Take any > > chart > > > > > > with Lagna in Vargottama.You will find that all the ''bhavas'' > > > > are in > > > > > > Vargottama in those charts.Thus one can say Lagna is > > > > Vargottama.Rest > > > > > > is redundant.Amshas are not for bhavas.It is sad to note how > > > > basics > > > > > > are twisted. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus there are no such Vargottamas as per my understanding > > and as > > > > > > mentioned by sages. > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to hold your personal opionion. > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Namaste Sri GoeljiPranaams!Sreenadh and Pradeep are two people who have decided that Vargas cannot be seen as separate charts. They had a huge discussion with Sri Chandrashekhar Sharma in the Jyotish Group. Unable to give proper references, Sreenadh started changing the meaning of Sanskrit verses to prove Sri Sharma wrong. When this act was caught by Sri Sharma and other group members, he verbally abused Sri Sharma. The ancient astrology group was created by Sreenadh for the purpose of expounding his theories Sri Pradeep had a discussion on Vedanta with me and Sri Lakshmi for a long time. He did not follow the Shastra or its tradition of teaching. He thereafter wrote in the lists misquoting us. When we caught him in his act, he then started playing as if he is a victim of a conspiracy. After six months thereafter, he started another major discussion that Vargas cannot be seen as separate charts. I, amongst others, advised him that he must keep an open mind in Jyotish since many texts are lost, many of them have been misquoted and, unfortunately, we do not have translators of the caliber of Sri Adi Sankara to give clear cut meaning. He continued his tirade against all this again misquoting and misrepresenting facts. We collectively in the Jyotish Group, explained to him that all Jyotishas considered great have used Vargas in an independent capacity, but, he does not stop. I value research, but, I do not value imposition of someone's beliefs that are contrary to knowledge and an impediment to research. I had also pointed out that a group has been formed to oppose the Divisional charts and they are using the forum of Jyotish Group to put across the ideas. Please do not try to change them, cause they will not. If they cannot follow the teachings of Sruti (the Upanishads), Smriti (The Bhagavad Gita) and Bhashya (of Sri Adi Sankara), do you really feel they would follow you?The question is no longer of right and wrong, if you know what I mean. All the above is true and can be seen in the archives of Jyotish Group. You are " adarniya " and therefore, I wanted to bring this to your attention. Warm RegardsAnuj (Bharat)On 5/1/08, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: Dear FRIENDS,It is surprising , some of respectable members are passing aspiration without even carefully reading my two articles. If I have posted two articles on Vargas , how I am thrusting my views on any one for that matter.Some members are in the chronic hobbit of being critical.God may grant them wisdom.I am getting mail from many fellow members who are quite appreciative and getting benefit from these articles. Regards,G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA Sreenadh <sreesog Thursday, 1 May, 2008 2:58:24 PM Re: Vargootama - Goel Ji/Chandra JiDear Pradeep ji, Goel ji is free to express his views and others like Chandrahari ji is free to criticize it. As far as I am concerned, I hold my self back from responding to the mails of Goel ji due to prior mentioned reasons. It is all related to individual spines. I would be love to be spineless than trying to become spine full by supporting the baseless arguments/presentat ion of goel ji in most of the situations; but also will appreciate him when ever he presents something valid and effortful. Just the quality of a unique spine. ;=) Note: By the way I am not PVR, and Chandrahari too is not I know; PVR is PVR and Chandrahari is Chandrahari and I am Me; It is better not to compare things at times. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji> > Thank you for the comments and views.> PVR Narasimha Rao ji had given full freedom to express my views in > his forum eventhough ,i was against his understandings/ views.> > Thus Shri Goel and others may be given a chance to express their > personal views ,which can then be countered using logic/pramana. > > This is my view and it is upto you to decide as i am not the owner of > this group:-).> > Regds> Pradeep> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Pradeep ji,> > Well said!> > ==>> > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocrisy or spineless > act :-).> > <== > > Yes, me too agree. > > ==>> > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > opinion''.> > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > theories''> > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication> > > signatures.> > <==> > True!!! Yes, the authentication signatures, which are actually > > nothing but mis guiding without understanding, that cause the > problem.> > ==>> > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > the> > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line > > > with the principles of Tarka.> > <==> > Yes, but it is nothing but waste of time for us - and that is the> > problem we face; why should we waste that much time, if Goel ji is > not> > ready to listen and still not seeing the point? Most of his > statements> > are throughly against the fundamentals! ! Then where should be the > tarka> > start? How much time it will take? Will Goel ji listen to the same > and> > evolve? If all these is not going to happen - why waste too much > time> > after that? Is it not better to use that time for better purpose?> > ==>> > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > because> > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > and> > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > relook> > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > formulated> > > by Mahamunis.> > <==> > True. :=)> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Chandra ji> > >> > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocricy or spineless > act :-).> > > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > opinion''.> > >> > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > theories'' > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication> > > signatures.> > >> > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > the > > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line> > > with the principles of Tarka.> > >> > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > because> > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > and> > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > relook> > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > formulated> > > by Mahamunis.> > >> > > Pradeep> > >> > >> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " chandra_hari18 " > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > >> > > > If he is free to hold his personal opinion, then people like > him can> > > > have their astrology, their sciences - all and their own > versions> > > for> > > > everything. Such people should not be allowed to telecast their > > > mental> > > > malady into the Public.> > > >> > > > Such theories reflect the grooming that certain students > receive in> > > > certain places. > > > >> > > > chandra hari> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > >> > > > > Namaste Goel ji> > > > >> > > > > Classics have only spoken about a planet or Lagna(rising > degree)> > > > > being in Vargottama. > > > > >> > > > > If we study the ganita part of astrology and divisions, or the> > > > > paramanas one can never speak of Bhava Vargottama.> > > > > > > > > > The reason is simple.Check the following instance - Take any > chart> > > > > with Lagna in Vargottama.You will find that all the ''bhavas''> > > are in > > > > > Vargottama in those charts.Thus one can say Lagna is> > > Vargottama.Rest> > > > > is redundant.Amshas are not for bhavas.It is sad to note how> > > basics > > > > > are twisted.> > > > >> > > > > Thus there are no such Vargottamas as per my understanding > and as> > > > > mentioned by sages.> > > > > > > > > > You are free to hold your personal opionion.> > > > >> > > > > Regards> > > > > Pradeep> > > > >> > > > > > >> >> Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. 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Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Dear Sri Goel, I hoped for a feedback on the example chart you gave on which I had given detailed comments. May be the people who rebuked your research are fools - such rebuking had happened with great names - S. Chandrasekhar got rebuked by Eddington if my memory is correct and Wagner was rebuked by all Geoscientists when he proposed continental drift. So nothing to feel bad about it if you are convinced that your research is useful and gives valid conclusions. One day it may gain recognition just as Arjuna surpassed his Guru Drona. chandra hari , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:>> Dear FRIENDS,> It is surprising , some of respectable members are passing aspiration > without even carefully reading my two articles.> If I have posted two articles on Vargas , how I am thrusting my views on any one for that matter.> Some members are in the chronic hobbit of being critical.> God may grant them wisdom.> I am getting mail from many fellow members who are quite appreciative and getting benefit from these articles.> Regards,G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog > Thursday, 1 May, 2008 2:58:24 PM> Re: Vargootama - Goel Ji/Chandra Ji> > > Dear Pradeep ji,>   Goel ji is free to express his views and others like Chandrahari ji is free to criticize it. As far as I am concerned, I hold my self back from responding to the mails of Goel ji due to prior mentioned reasons. It is all related to individual spines. I would be love to be spineless than trying to become spine full by supporting the baseless arguments/presentat ion  of goel ji in most of the situations; but also will appreciate him when ever he presents something valid and effortful. Just the quality of a unique spine. ;=)>  Note: By the way I am not PVR, and Chandrahari too is not I know; PVR is PVR and Chandrahari is Chandrahari and I am Me; It is better not to compare things at times. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji> > > > Thank you for the comments and views.> > PVR Narasimha Rao ji had given full freedom to express my views in > > his forum eventhough ,i was against his understandings/ views.> > > > Thus Shri Goel and others may be given a chance to express their > > personal views ,which can then be countered using logic/pramana.> > > > This is my view and it is upto you to decide as i am not the owner of > > this group:-).> > > > Regds> > Pradeep> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh" > > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > > Well said!> > > ==>> > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocrisy or spineless > > act :-).> > > <==> > > Yes, me too agree. > > > ==>> > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > > opinion''.> > > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > > theories''> > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication> > > > signatures.> > > <==> > > True!!! Yes, the authentication signatures, which are actually> > > nothing but mis guiding without understanding, that cause the > > problem.> > > ==>> > > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > > the> > > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line> > > > with the principles of Tarka.> > > <==> > > Yes, but it is nothing but waste of time for us - and that is the> > > problem we face; why should we waste that much time, if Goel ji is > > not> > > ready to listen and still not seeing the point? Most of his > > statements> > > are throughly against the fundamentals! ! Then where should be the > > tarka> > > start? How much time it will take? Will Goel ji listen to the same > > and> > > evolve? If all these is not going to happen - why waste too much > > time> > > after that? Is it not better to use that time for better purpose?> > > ==>> > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > > because> > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > > and> > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > > relook> > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > > formulated> > > > by Mahamunis.> > > <==> > > True. :=)> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Chandra ji> > > >> > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocricy or spineless > > act :-).> > > >> > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > > opinion''.> > > >> > > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > > theories''> > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication> > > > signatures.> > > >> > > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > > the> > > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line> > > > with the principles of Tarka.> > > >> > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > > because> > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > > and> > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > > relook> > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > > formulated> > > > by Mahamunis.> > > >> > > > Pradeep> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "chandra_hari18"> > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > >> > > > > If he is free to hold his personal opinion, then people like > > him can> > > > > have their astrology, their sciences - all and their own > > versions> > > > for> > > > > everything. Such people should not be allowed to telecast their> > > > mental> > > > > malady into the Public.> > > > >> > > > > Such theories reflect the grooming that certain students > > receive in> > > > > certain places.> > > > >> > > > > chandra hari> > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste Goel ji> > > > > >> > > > > > Classics have only spoken about a planet or Lagna(rising > > degree)> > > > > > being in Vargottama.> > > > > >> > > > > > If we study the ganita part of astrology and divisions, or the> > > > > > paramanas one can never speak of Bhava Vargottama.> > > > > >> > > > > > The reason is simple.Check the following instance - Take any > > chart> > > > > > with Lagna in Vargottama.You will find that all the ''bhavas''> > > > are in> > > > > > Vargottama in those charts.Thus one can say Lagna is> > > > Vargottama.Rest> > > > > > is redundant.Amshas are not for bhavas.It is sad to note how> > > > basics> > > > > > are twisted.> > > > > >> > > > > > Thus there are no such Vargottamas as per my understanding > > and as> > > > > > mentioned by sages.> > > > > >> > > > > > You are free to hold your personal opionion.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >> > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. 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Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Namaste Goel ji Shri Sanjay Rath and other respected members As Goel ji had posted the same message in ancient group,my reply to the message present on this group was unintentional. I am thankful that my message was allowed to go through. Goel ji,please note that i won't be replying to any mails in this group and creating disharmony in this group is not my intention. Members are free to draw conclusions. Best Regards Pradeep sohamsa , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " <astrologyhindu wrote: > > Namaste Sri Goelji > > Pranaams! > > Sreenadh and Pradeep are two people who have decided that Vargas cannot be > seen as separate charts. They had a huge discussion with Sri Chandrashekhar > Sharma in the Jyotish Group. Unable to give proper references, Sreenadh > started changing the meaning of Sanskrit verses to prove Sri Sharma wrong. > When this act was caught by Sri Sharma and other group members, he verbally > abused Sri > Sharma. The ancient astrology group was created by Sreenadh for the > purpose of expounding his theories > > > Sri Pradeep had a discussion on Vedanta with me and Sri Lakshmi for a long > time. He did not follow the Shastra or its tradition of teaching. He > thereafter wrote in the lists misquoting us. When we caught him in his act, > he then started playing as if he is a victim of a conspiracy. After six > months thereafter, he started another major discussion that Vargas cannot be > seen as separate charts. I, amongst others, advised him that he must keep an > open mind in Jyotish since many texts are lost, many of them have been > misquoted and, unfortunately, we do not have translators of the caliber of > Sri Adi Sankara to give clear cut meaning. He continued his tirade against > all this again misquoting and misrepresenting facts. We collectively in the > Jyotish Group, explained to him that all Jyotishas considered great have > used Vargas in an independent capacity, but, he does not stop. > > I value research, but, I do not value imposition of someone's beliefs that > are contrary to knowledge and an impediment to research. I had also pointed > out that a group has been formed to oppose the Divisional charts and they > are using the forum of Jyotish Group to put across the ideas. Please do not > try to change them, cause they will not. > > If they cannot follow the teachings of Sruti (the Upanishads), Smriti (The > Bhagavad Gita) and Bhashya (of Sri Adi Sankara), do you really feel they > would follow you? > > The question is no longer of right and wrong, if you know what I mean. All > the above is true and can be seen in the archives of Jyotish Group. You are > " adarniya " and therefore, I wanted to bring this to your attention. > > Warm Regards > Anuj (Bharat) > > > > On 5/1/08, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > > > Dear FRIENDS, > > It is surprising , some of respectable members are passing aspiration > > without even carefully reading my two articles. > > If I have posted two articles on Vargas , how I am thrusting my views on > > any one for that matter. > > Some members are in the chronic hobbit of being critical. > > God may grant them wisdom. > > I am getting mail from many fellow members who are quite appreciative and > > getting benefit from these articles. > > Regards, > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > > > > Thursday, 1 May, 2008 2:58:24 PM > > Re: Vargootama - Goel Ji/Chandra Ji > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > Goel ji is free to express his views and others like Chandrahari ji is > > free to criticize it. As far as I am concerned, I hold my self back from > > responding to the mails of Goel ji due to prior mentioned reasons. It is all > > related to individual spines. I would be love to be spineless than > > trying to become spine full by supporting the baseless arguments/presentat > > ion of goel ji in most of the situations; but also will appreciate him when > > ever he presents something valid and effortful. Just the quality of a > > unique spine. ;=) > > Note: By the way I am not PVR, and Chandrahari too is not I know; PVR is > > PVR and Chandrahari is Chandrahari and I am Me; It is better not to compare > > things at times. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji > > > > > > Thank you for the comments and views. > > > PVR Narasimha Rao ji had given full freedom to express my views in > > > his forum eventhough ,i was against his understandings/ views. > > > > > > Thus Shri Goel and others may be given a chance to express their > > > personal views ,which can then be countered using logic/pramana. > > > > > > This is my view and it is upto you to decide as i am not the owner of > > > this group:-). > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > Well said! > > > > ==> > > > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocrisy or spineless > > > act :-). > > > > <== > > > > Yes, me too agree. > > > > ==> > > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > > > opinion''. > > > > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > > > theories'' > > > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication > > > > > signatures. > > > > <== > > > > True!!! Yes, the authentication signatures, which are actually > > > > nothing but mis guiding without understanding, that cause the > > > problem. > > > > ==> > > > > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > > > the > > > > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line > > > > > with the principles of Tarka. > > > > <== > > > > Yes, but it is nothing but waste of time for us - and that is the > > > > problem we face; why should we waste that much time, if Goel ji is > > > not > > > > ready to listen and still not seeing the point? Most of his > > > statements > > > > are throughly against the fundamentals! ! Then where should be the > > > tarka > > > > start? How much time it will take? Will Goel ji listen to the same > > > and > > > > evolve? If all these is not going to happen - why waste too much > > > time > > > > after that? Is it not better to use that time for better purpose? > > > > ==> > > > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > > > because > > > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > > > and > > > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > > > relook > > > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > > > formulated > > > > > by Mahamunis. > > > > <== > > > > True. :=) > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra ji > > > > > > > > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocricy or spineless > > > act :-). > > > > > > > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > > > opinion''. > > > > > > > > > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > > > theories'' > > > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication > > > > > signatures. > > > > > > > > > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > > > the > > > > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line > > > > > with the principles of Tarka. > > > > > > > > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > > > because > > > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > > > and > > > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > > > relook > > > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > > > formulated > > > > > by Mahamunis. > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " chandra_hari18 " > > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > If he is free to hold his personal opinion, then people like > > > him can > > > > > > have their astrology, their sciences - all and their own > > > versions > > > > > for > > > > > > everything. Such people should not be allowed to telecast their > > > > > mental > > > > > > malady into the Public. > > > > > > > > > > > > Such theories reflect the grooming that certain students > > > receive in > > > > > > certain places. > > > > > > > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > --- In > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Goel ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Classics have only spoken about a planet or Lagna(rising > > > degree) > > > > > > > being in Vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we study the ganita part of astrology and divisions, or the > > > > > > > paramanas one can never speak of Bhava Vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason is simple.Check the following instance - Take any > > > chart > > > > > > > with Lagna in Vargottama.You will find that all the ''bhavas'' > > > > > are in > > > > > > > Vargottama in those charts.Thus one can say Lagna is > > > > > Vargottama.Rest > > > > > > > is redundant.Amshas are not for bhavas.It is sad to note how > > > > > basics > > > > > > > are twisted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus there are no such Vargottamas as per my understanding > > > and as > > > > > > > mentioned by sages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to hold your personal opionion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. 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Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 om gurave namah Dear Vijaydas Pradeep Namaste. I am unaware of your points. So please forward them to me...at least privately. If it the old question about the very validity of whether drawing charts is allowed, then let it be. Else if there is any other point, please do send it. With Warm Regards, Sanjay Rath 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India www.srath.com,www.sohamsa.com, www..org, www.sagittariuspublications.com Jaimini Scholar: www.sohamsa.com/js/ vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep] 02 May 2008 21:08 sohamsa Re: Vargootama Namaste Goel ji Shri Sanjay Rath and other respected members As Goel ji had posted the same message in ancient group,my reply to the message present on this group was unintentional. I am thankful that my message was allowed to go through. Goel ji,please note that i won't be replying to any mails in this group and creating disharmony in this group is not my intention. Members are free to draw conclusions. Best Regards Pradeep sohamsa , " Bharat - Hindu Astrology " <astrologyhindu wrote: > > Namaste Sri Goelji > > Pranaams! > > Sreenadh and Pradeep are two people who have decided that Vargas cannot be > seen as separate charts. They had a huge discussion with Sri Chandrashekhar > Sharma in the Jyotish Group. Unable to give proper references, Sreenadh > started changing the meaning of Sanskrit verses to prove Sri Sharma wrong. > When this act was caught by Sri Sharma and other group members, he verbally > abused Sri > Sharma. The ancient astrology group was created by Sreenadh for the > purpose of expounding his theories > > > Sri Pradeep had a discussion on Vedanta with me and Sri Lakshmi for a long > time. He did not follow the Shastra or its tradition of teaching. He > thereafter wrote in the lists misquoting us. When we caught him in his act, > he then started playing as if he is a victim of a conspiracy. After six > months thereafter, he started another major discussion that Vargas cannot be > seen as separate charts. I, amongst others, advised him that he must keep an > open mind in Jyotish since many texts are lost, many of them have been > misquoted and, unfortunately, we do not have translators of the caliber of > Sri Adi Sankara to give clear cut meaning. He continued his tirade against > all this again misquoting and misrepresenting facts. We collectively in the > Jyotish Group, explained to him that all Jyotishas considered great have > used Vargas in an independent capacity, but, he does not stop. > > I value research, but, I do not value imposition of someone's beliefs that > are contrary to knowledge and an impediment to research. I had also pointed > out that a group has been formed to oppose the Divisional charts and they > are using the forum of Jyotish Group to put across the ideas. Please do not > try to change them, cause they will not. > > If they cannot follow the teachings of Sruti (the Upanishads), Smriti (The > Bhagavad Gita) and Bhashya (of Sri Adi Sankara), do you really feel they > would follow you? > > The question is no longer of right and wrong, if you know what I mean. All > the above is true and can be seen in the archives of Jyotish Group. You are > " adarniya " and therefore, I wanted to bring this to your attention. > > Warm Regards > Anuj (Bharat) > > > > On 5/1/08, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > > > Dear FRIENDS, > > It is surprising , some of respectable members are passing aspiration > > without even carefully reading my two articles. > > If I have posted two articles on Vargas , how I am thrusting my views on > > any one for that matter. > > Some members are in the chronic hobbit of being critical. > > God may grant them wisdom. > > I am getting mail from many fellow members who are quite appreciative and > > getting benefit from these articles. > > Regards, > > G.K.GOEL > > Ph: 09350311433 > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR > > NEW DELHI-110 076 > > INDIA > > > > > > Sreenadh <sreesog > > > > Thursday, 1 May, 2008 2:58:24 PM > > Re: Vargootama - Goel Ji/Chandra Ji > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > Goel ji is free to express his views and others like Chandrahari ji is > > free to criticize it. As far as I am concerned, I hold my self back from > > responding to the mails of Goel ji due to prior mentioned reasons. It is all > > related to individual spines. I would be love to be spineless than > > trying to become spine full by supporting the baseless arguments/presentat > > ion of goel ji in most of the situations; but also will appreciate him when > > ever he presents something valid and effortful. Just the quality of a > > unique spine. ;=) > > Note: By the way I am not PVR, and Chandrahari too is not I know; PVR is > > PVR and Chandrahari is Chandrahari and I am Me; It is better not to compare > > things at times. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " vijayadas_pradeep " > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh ji > > > > > > Thank you for the comments and views. > > > PVR Narasimha Rao ji had given full freedom to express my views in > > > his forum eventhough ,i was against his understandings/ views. > > > > > > Thus Shri Goel and others may be given a chance to express their > > > personal views ,which can then be countered using logic/pramana. > > > > > > This is my view and it is upto you to decide as i am not the owner of > > > this group:-). > > > > > > Regds > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " > > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > Well said! > > > > ==> > > > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocrisy or spineless > > > act :-). > > > > <== > > > > Yes, me too agree. > > > > ==> > > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > > > opinion''. > > > > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > > > theories'' > > > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication > > > > > signatures. > > > > <== > > > > True!!! Yes, the authentication signatures, which are actually > > > > nothing but mis guiding without understanding, that cause the > > > problem. > > > > ==> > > > > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > > > the > > > > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line > > > > > with the principles of Tarka. > > > > <== > > > > Yes, but it is nothing but waste of time for us - and that is the > > > > problem we face; why should we waste that much time, if Goel ji is > > > not > > > > ready to listen and still not seeing the point? Most of his > > > statements > > > > are throughly against the fundamentals! ! Then where should be the > > > tarka > > > > start? How much time it will take? Will Goel ji listen to the same > > > and > > > > evolve? If all these is not going to happen - why waste too much > > > time > > > > after that? Is it not better to use that time for better purpose? > > > > ==> > > > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > > > because > > > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > > > and > > > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > > > relook > > > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > > > formulated > > > > > by Mahamunis. > > > > <== > > > > True. :=) > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, > > " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra ji > > > > > > > > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocricy or spineless > > > act :-). > > > > > > > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal > > > opinion''. > > > > > > > > > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own > > > theories'' > > > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with authentication > > > > > signatures. > > > > > > > > > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise counter > > > the > > > > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is in line > > > > > with the principles of Tarka. > > > > > > > > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology > > > because > > > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only and if > > > and > > > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a > > > relook > > > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as > > > formulated > > > > > by Mahamunis. > > > > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . com, " chandra_hari18 " > > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep, > > > > > > > > > > > > If he is free to hold his personal opinion, then people like > > > him can > > > > > > have their astrology, their sciences - all and their own > > > versions > > > > > for > > > > > > everything. Such people should not be allowed to telecast their > > > > > mental > > > > > > malady into the Public. > > > > > > > > > > > > Such theories reflect the grooming that certain students > > > receive in > > > > > > certain places. > > > > > > > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > --- In > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Goel ji > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Classics have only spoken about a planet or Lagna(rising > > > degree) > > > > > > > being in Vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If we study the ganita part of astrology and divisions, or the > > > > > > > paramanas one can never speak of Bhava Vargottama. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reason is simple.Check the following instance - Take any > > > chart > > > > > > > with Lagna in Vargottama.You will find that all the ''bhavas'' > > > > > are in > > > > > > > Vargottama in those charts.Thus one can say Lagna is > > > > > Vargottama.Rest > > > > > > > is redundant.Amshas are not for bhavas.It is sad to note how > > > > > basics > > > > > > > are twisted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thus there are no such Vargottamas as per my understanding > > > and as > > > > > > > mentioned by sages. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are free to hold your personal opionion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. 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Guest guest Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Dear Shri Rath Namaste.Thank you for the email.Hope you are doing well and keeping good health.Dealing with Fundamentals/Foundations is never an easy task/situation and our case is no different. As energy needs to be conserved,oppositions/criticisms are natural and part of the system. May the collective efforts from experienced souls like you and beginners like me,culminate in the fructification of higher goals. I will write to your id. Kind RegardsPradeep sohamsa , "Pt.Sanjay Rath" <sanjayrath wrote:>> > > > > om gurave namah> > Dear Vijaydas Pradeep> > Namaste. I am unaware of your points. So please forward them to me...at> least privately. If it the old question about the very validity of whether> drawing charts is allowed, then let it be. Else if there is any other point,> please do send it.> > With Warm Regards,> > Sanjay Rath> > 15B Gangaram Hospital Road, New Delhi 110060, India> > www.srath.com,www.sohamsa.com, www..org,> www.sagittariuspublications.com> > Jaimini Scholar: www.sohamsa.com/js/> > > > vijayadas_pradeep [vijayadas_pradeep] > 02 May 2008 21:08> sohamsa > Re: Vargootama> > > > Namaste Goel ji Shri Sanjay Rath and other respected members> > As Goel ji had posted the same message in ancient group,my reply to > the message present on this group was unintentional. > > I am thankful that my message was allowed to go through.> > Goel ji,please note that i won't be replying to any mails in this > group and creating disharmony in this group is not my intention.> > Members are free to draw conclusions.> > Best Regards> Pradeep> > sohamsa <sohamsa%40> , "Bharat> - Hindu Astrology" > astrologyhindu@ wrote:> >> > Namaste Sri Goelji> > > > Pranaams!> > > > Sreenadh and Pradeep are two people who have decided that Vargas > cannot be> > seen as separate charts. They had a huge discussion with Sri > Chandrashekhar> > Sharma in the Jyotish Group. Unable to give proper references, > Sreenadh> > started changing the meaning of Sanskrit verses to prove Sri Sharma > wrong.> > When this act was caught by Sri Sharma and other group members, he > verbally> > abused Sri> > Sharma. The ancient astrology group was created by Sreenadh for the> > purpose of expounding his theories> > > > > > Sri Pradeep had a discussion on Vedanta with me and Sri Lakshmi for > a long> > time. He did not follow the Shastra or its tradition of teaching. He> > thereafter wrote in the lists misquoting us. When we caught him in > his act,> > he then started playing as if he is a victim of a conspiracy. After > six> > months thereafter, he started another major discussion that Vargas > cannot be> > seen as separate charts. I, amongst others, advised him that he > must keep an> > open mind in Jyotish since many texts are lost, many of them have > been> > misquoted and, unfortunately, we do not have translators of the > caliber of> > Sri Adi Sankara to give clear cut meaning. He continued his tirade > against> > all this again misquoting and misrepresenting facts. We > collectively in the> > Jyotish Group, explained to him that all Jyotishas considered great > have> > used Vargas in an independent capacity, but, he does not stop.> > > > I value research, but, I do not value imposition of someone's > beliefs that> > are contrary to knowledge and an impediment to research. I had also > pointed> > out that a group has been formed to oppose the Divisional charts > and they> > are using the forum of Jyotish Group to put across the ideas. > Please do not> > try to change them, cause they will not.> > > > If they cannot follow the teachings of Sruti (the Upanishads), > Smriti (The> > Bhagavad Gita) and Bhashya (of Sri Adi Sankara), do you really feel > they> > would follow you?> > > > The question is no longer of right and wrong, if you know what I > mean. All> > the above is true and can be seen in the archives of Jyotish Group. > You are> > "adarniya" and therefore, I wanted to bring this to your attention.> > > > Warm Regards> > Anuj (Bharat)> > > > > > > > On 5/1/08, Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear FRIENDS,> > > It is surprising , some of respectable members are passing > aspiration> > > without even carefully reading my two articles.> > > If I have posted two articles on Vargas , how I am thrusting my > views on> > > any one for that matter.> > > Some members are in the chronic hobbit of being critical.> > > God may grant them wisdom.> > > I am getting mail from many fellow members who are quite > appreciative and> > > getting benefit from these articles.> > > Regards,> > > G.K.GOEL> > > Ph: 09350311433> > > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > > NEW DELHI-110 076> > > INDIA> > >> > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@> > > > <%40> > > > Thursday, 1 May, 2008 2:58:24 PM> > > Re: Vargootama - Goel > Ji/Chandra Ji> > >> > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > > Goel ji is free to express his views and others like > Chandrahari ji is> > > free to criticize it. As far as I am concerned, I hold my self > back from> > > responding to the mails of Goel ji due to prior mentioned > reasons. It is all> > > related to individual spines. I would be love to be spineless > than> > > trying to become spine full by supporting the baseless > arguments/presentat> > > ion of goel ji in most of the situations; but also will > appreciate him when> > > ever he presents something valid and effortful. Just the quality > of a> > > unique spine. ;=)> > > Note: By the way I am not PVR, and Chandrahari too is not I > know; PVR is> > > PVR and Chandrahari is Chandrahari and I am Me; It is better not > to compare> > > things at times. > > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > <vijayadas_pradeep@ ...> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh ji> > > >> > > > Thank you for the comments and views.> > > > PVR Narasimha Rao ji had given full freedom to express my views > in> > > > his forum eventhough ,i was against his understandings/ views.> > > >> > > > Thus Shri Goel and others may be given a chance to express their> > > > personal views ,which can then be countered using logic/pramana.> > > >> > > > This is my view and it is upto you to decide as i am not the > owner of> > > > this group:-).> > > >> > > > Regds> > > > Pradeep> > > >> > > >> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "Sreenadh"> > > > sreesog@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Pradeep ji,> > > > > Well said!> > > > > ==>> > > > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocrisy or spineless> > > > act :-).> > > > > <==> > > > > Yes, me too agree. > > > > > ==>> > > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal> > > > opinion''.> > > > > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own> > > > theories''> > > > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with > authentication> > > > > > signatures.> > > > > <==> > > > > True!!! Yes, the authentication signatures, which are actually> > > > > nothing but mis guiding without understanding, that cause the> > > > problem.> > > > > ==>> > > > > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise > counter> > > > the> > > > > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is > in line> > > > > > with the principles of Tarka.> > > > > <==> > > > > Yes, but it is nothing but waste of time for us - and that is > the> > > > > problem we face; why should we waste that much time, if Goel > ji is> > > > not> > > > > ready to listen and still not seeing the point? Most of his> > > > statements> > > > > are throughly against the fundamentals! ! Then where should > be the> > > > tarka> > > > > start? How much time it will take? Will Goel ji listen to the > same> > > > and> > > > > evolve? If all these is not going to happen - why waste too > much> > > > time> > > > > after that? Is it not better to use that time for better > purpose?> > > > > ==>> > > > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology> > > > because> > > > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only > and if> > > > and> > > > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a> > > > relook> > > > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as> > > > formulated> > > > > > by Mahamunis.> > > > > <==> > > > > True. :=)> > > > > Love and regards,> > > > > Sreenadh> > > > >> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology,> > > "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > Dear Chandra ji> > > > > >> > > > > > Yes i agree that diplomacy is kind of hypocricy or spineless> > > > act :-).> > > > > >> > > > > > However i feel Goel ji is free to express his ''personal> > > > opinion''.> > > > > >> > > > > > The problem starts when people starts trying to sell ''own> > > > theories''> > > > > > in the name of vedic astrology and that too with > authentication> > > > > > signatures.> > > > > >> > > > > > But we also have a choice to logically and pramana wise > counter> > > > the> > > > > > personal views and understandings of such views.Then it is > in line> > > > > > with the principles of Tarka.> > > > > >> > > > > > I agree that considerable damage has been done to astrology> > > > because> > > > > > of violating fundamental principles.This can change only > and if> > > > and> > > > > > only if respected members like Goel ji are willing to take a> > > > relook> > > > > > at basics.No one is entitled to re-define fundamentals as> > > > formulated> > > > > > by Mahamunis.> > > > > >> > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology@ . > com, "chandra_hari18"> > > > > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Pradeep,> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If he is free to hold his personal opinion, then people > like> > > > him can> > > > > > > have their astrology, their sciences - all and their own> > > > versions> > > > > > for> > > > > > > everything. Such people should not be allowed to telecast > their> > > > > > mental> > > > > > > malady into the Public.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Such theories reflect the grooming that certain students> > > > receive in> > > > > > > certain places.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > chandra hari> > > > > > > --- In> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "vijayadas_pradeep"> > > > > > > <vijayadas_pradeep@> wrote:> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Namaste Goel ji> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Classics have only spoken about a planet or Lagna(rising> > > > degree)> > > > > > > > being in Vargottama.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > If we study the ganita part of astrology and divisions, > or the> > > > > > > > paramanas one can never speak of Bhava Vargottama.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > The reason is simple.Check the following instance - > Take any> > > > chart> > > > > > > > with Lagna in Vargottama.You will find that all > the ''bhavas''> > > > > > are in> > > > > > > > Vargottama in those charts.Thus one can say Lagna is> > > > > > Vargottama.Rest> > > > > > > > is redundant.Amshas are not for bhavas.It is sad to > note how> > > > > > basics> > > > > > > > are twisted.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Thus there are no such Vargottamas as per my > understanding> > > > and as> > > > > > > > mentioned by sages.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > You are free to hold your personal opionion.> > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Regards> > > > > > > > Pradeep> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> > > ------------------------------> > > Bollywood, fun, friendship, sports and more. 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