Spoken enough - Be Vigilant, Learn and Question everything

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

I have spoken enough to make you people vigilant about false claims and uscientific researches. Now it is up to you people to earn grace by studies. There is nothing wrong in being critical. Criticism is prevented only by pseudo-Gurus. Disciples who cross question the real Gurus in fact invoke smiles.

It takes many lives to master Jyotisha and Yoga. Even to understand the basic astronomical precepts and the history of it evolution, years of hardwork is required. When we go into Yoga, Darsanas, Upanishads and Tantras - time no longer stands. Any consideration of time becomes meaningless.

Today is amavasya. Auspicious time to conclude a discussion. If we make a false claim, we will be exposed by time. Only truth prevails and no names. So please work towards knowing truth and sharing it with others.

I have my limitations in explaining certain works in simple language as the group consists of people of diff academic backgrounds. Those who have a footing in astronomy/mathematics/physics or those who can put hardwork to understand realted topis through self learning, may contact me for scientific works that explain the rationale of Zodiac and Jyotisha. Only sincere students - I want to make it clear again - I am not here to pamper anyone. I am not here to have disciples and I don't care for anyone except Jagadguru - not Mayavadi Sankara, the real Sankara having cobra on his neck.

Mayavadi Sankara may have imitated Siva by mistaking a rope for cobra and so it may have become his favorie drshtantham to illustrate his maya. Don't take to heels to slap me for joking on Mayavadi, after all he said Jagat mithya. Those who have any real experience or learning on Darsanas are welcome to discuss on private mail: chandra_hari18.

Maxmuller had told: " a new theory does not succeed by convincing its opponents. A theory succeeds when its opponents die and a new generation comes that is familiar with it".

So we cannot expect the computer Jyotishis practising Jyotisham and having little graspt of astronomy, mathematics and yoga to understand the truth ever. People having fierce enthusiasm to discover the truth must come forward to put in hardwork and realize the truth.

chandra hari

chandra hari

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Namaste Chandra_Hari ji,

 

To my knowledge or thinking, nobody has ever doubted your sincerity &

honesty on the subject of astrology, except for the few words that you

write ferociously !! Sometimes, feel Lions have long last their

ferocity, that now seen only in your postings !!!

 

Similary, on all those members {in this group}, who responded to your

hurricane mails, their quest for truth is wide open of eternal wisdom

of astrology, for they are still continuing to glean the texts & learn

from other experiences with single minded devotion

 

A small acknowledgement on all such postings........kindly do

continue....to post your hair raising mails.....hope to unravel atleast

few finer points of this great subject - astrology, as a gift to future

generations...

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, " chandra_hari18 "

<chandra_hari18 wrote:

>

>

> Dear friends,

>

> I have spoken enough to make you people vigilant about false claims

and

> uscientific researches. Now it is up to you people to earn grace by

> studies. There is nothing wrong in being critical. Criticism is

> prevented only by pseudo-Gurus. Disciples who cross question the real

> Gurus in fact invoke smiles.

>

> It takes many lives to master Jyotisha and Yoga. Even to understand

the

> basic astronomical precepts and the history of it evolution, years of

> hardwork is required. When we go into Yoga, Darsanas, Upanishads and

> Tantras - time no longer stands. Any consideration of time becomes

> meaningless.

>

> Today is amavasya. Auspicious time to conclude a discussion. If we

make

> a false claim, we will be exposed by time. Only truth prevails and no

> names. So please work towards knowing truth and sharing it with

others.

>

> I have my limitations in explaining certain works in simple language

as

> the group consists of people of diff academic backgrounds. Those who

> have a footing in astronomy/mathematics/physics or those who can put

> hardwork to understand realted topis through self learning, may

contact

> me for scientific works that explain the rationale of Zodiac and

> Jyotisha. Only sincere students - I want to make it clear again - I am

> not here to pamper anyone. I am not here to have disciples and I don't

> care for anyone except Jagadguru - not Mayavadi Sankara, the real

> Sankara having cobra on his neck.

>

> Mayavadi Sankara may have imitated Siva by mistaking a rope for cobra

> and so it may have become his favorie drshtantham to illustrate his

> maya. Don't take to heels to slap me for joking on Mayavadi, after all

> he said Jagat mithya. Those who have any real experience or learning

on

> Darsanas are welcome to discuss on private mail:

> chandra_hari18 <chandra_hari18 .

>

> Maxmuller had told: " a new theory does not succeed by convincing its

> opponents. A theory succeeds when its opponents die and a new

generation

> comes that is familiar with it " .

>

> So we cannot expect the computer Jyotishis practising Jyotisham and

> having little graspt of astronomy, mathematics and yoga to understand

> the truth ever. People having fierce enthusiasm to discover the truth

> must come forward to put in hardwork and realize the truth.

>

> chandra hari

>

> chandra hari

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sriram,

 

What I look for is fierce enthusiasm in people to know the truth and

willingness to do hard work. I began my study when there was no

material, no books, no web resources, no group discussions. And no

computer and our generation had to painstakingly compute each chart with

some 100 year ephemeris. But now see despite computer people are latched

up in bias without making concrete studies on a basic issue like

ayanamsa. I have given immense material to all who came in contact but

none has replied pointing out that 'this or that is not convincing'.

People must criticise, science has grown out of criticism and

corrections. Scientific criticism and political criticism should be

differentiated. What is frustrating to me is the inability of the

people to appreciate scientific evidence. This may be due to the lack of

proper training in research methodology and bias involved.

 

Jyotisha is a science of the Yogis. Given to subjectivity and wrong

mathematical constructs, we can go on adduce evidence of horoscopes with

biased thinking. Those who claims to be Acharyas and researchers are not

ready to examine and give their opinion to their students because of

vested interests.

 

This plight is not only in astrology but also in spirituality. People

are happy with superficial knowledge and they are into group discussion

without the humility to learn. Mayavadi Sankara is regarded as the peak

of Indian thought as India has departed so much from its real spiritual

tradition. Great majority worship Siva and Sakti but parrots

'Brahmasatyam Jagatmithya' without knowing that the Mayavadi doctrine

runs counter to the darsanams that form the foundation of deity worship.

 

BV Raman's magazine use to quote that 'proof of the pudding ...' and as

long as their magazine survived there were many who found Raman ayanamsa

pudding as relishable. Now that is over because platform seekers have

nothing to gain from Raman associates. Sycophancy that characterized

ICAS meetings no more exists. What we must guard against is such people

who are opportunistic and have no committement in the quest of truth.

 

Same is the situation with BVB classes. No free learning is possible

because of the mesmerism created by the so called proof pudding of Rao

and students end up with closed minds on the writ of the head priest.

 

It is against such background, I am trying to knock off the bias of

people so that at least a few can be inspired to take a look at the

scientific works produced on the Zodiac issue. Mind is like software but

it is not easy to be deleted. So I have come to feel that only Bhavani

can make people change by Her grace.

 

And lastly, I have no such attachment to my name as to waste time in

trumpetting about the ayanamsa work. When the right comes and with the

lucky ones to have truth, they will search out the correct value. I need

not stagnate myself on the ayanamsa discussion when people are not ready

to appreciate scientific evidence. And most people are not introspctive

as to appreciate their handicap.

 

So trying to go back to pursue my studies on Tantra. I will have an eye

and will be back when you people need me. If this group wants to save

Jyotisham from spurious subjective theories, group must look forward to

create a 'limited over Jyotisham' like 20x20 cricket i.e. choose a

Zodiac (mathematics like ayanamsa, Vargas) and limited classical

principles and confine practice to them. Shun all researches that add

only to confusion. Keep difficult cases or special cases aside. Add

modules of prasna, nimitta and Svarayoga. A concise classical programme

to interpret charts and make predictions. Take charts one by one and

start putting down analysis and check the hits and misses..

 

No other system must be allowed. If you allow other systems then we

cannot achieve objectivity of logic. Someone will speak nonsense on

nakshtra, Kp, ATp, this and that ayanamsa etc.

 

Please think over.

 

chandra hari

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

chandra hari

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " sreeram srinivas "

<sreeram64 wrote:

>

>

> Namaste Chandra_Hari ji,

>

> To my knowledge or thinking, nobody has ever doubted your sincerity &

> honesty on the subject of astrology, except for the few words that you

> write ferociously !! Sometimes, feel Lions have long last their

> ferocity, that now seen only in your postings !!!

>

> Similary, on all those members {in this group}, who responded to your

> hurricane mails, their quest for truth is wide open of eternal wisdom

> of astrology, for they are still continuing to glean the texts & learn

> from other experiences with single minded devotion

>

> A small acknowledgement on all such postings........kindly do

> continue....to post your hair raising mails.....hope to unravel

atleast

> few finer points of this great subject - astrology, as a gift to

future

> generations...

>

> With regards,

>

> Sreeram_Srinivas

>

>

> , " chandra_hari18 "

> chandra_hari18@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear friends,

> >

> > I have spoken enough to make you people vigilant about false claims

> and

> > uscientific researches. Now it is up to you people to earn grace by

> > studies. There is nothing wrong in being critical. Criticism is

> > prevented only by pseudo-Gurus. Disciples who cross question the

real

> > Gurus in fact invoke smiles.

> >

> > It takes many lives to master Jyotisha and Yoga. Even to understand

> the

> > basic astronomical precepts and the history of it evolution, years

of

> > hardwork is required. When we go into Yoga, Darsanas, Upanishads and

> > Tantras - time no longer stands. Any consideration of time becomes

> > meaningless.

> >

> > Today is amavasya. Auspicious time to conclude a discussion. If we

> make

> > a false claim, we will be exposed by time. Only truth prevails and

no

> > names. So please work towards knowing truth and sharing it with

> others.

> >

> > I have my limitations in explaining certain works in simple language

> as

> > the group consists of people of diff academic backgrounds. Those who

> > have a footing in astronomy/mathematics/physics or those who can put

> > hardwork to understand realted topis through self learning, may

> contact

> > me for scientific works that explain the rationale of Zodiac and

> > Jyotisha. Only sincere students - I want to make it clear again - I

am

> > not here to pamper anyone. I am not here to have disciples and I

don't

> > care for anyone except Jagadguru - not Mayavadi Sankara, the real

> > Sankara having cobra on his neck.

> >

> > Mayavadi Sankara may have imitated Siva by mistaking a rope for

cobra

> > and so it may have become his favorie drshtantham to illustrate his

> > maya. Don't take to heels to slap me for joking on Mayavadi, after

all

> > he said Jagat mithya. Those who have any real experience or learning

> on

> > Darsanas are welcome to discuss on private mail:

> > chandra_hari18@ <chandra_hari18@ .

> >

> > Maxmuller had told: " a new theory does not succeed by convincing

its

> > opponents. A theory succeeds when its opponents die and a new

> generation

> > comes that is familiar with it " .

> >

> > So we cannot expect the computer Jyotishis practising Jyotisham and

> > having little graspt of astronomy, mathematics and yoga to

understand

> > the truth ever. People having fierce enthusiasm to discover the

truth

> > must come forward to put in hardwork and realize the truth.

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

> > chandra hari

> >

>