Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Dear Vijaya Narasimha ji, The rules are simple and may be the moderators are well aware of their rolls as this example amply reveals. Why? Here goes the facts. * Rishi prasad was noted - Why? Because he was trying to cause a conflict between 2 very respectable members in the group. A real bad trait. * His mail and reply mail by Chandra hari got approved by some moderator (defenitly not me). Possible reason - may be they felt that the above trait, deserves a direct annswer without diplomacy. And as a true researcher who has contributed much to the cause of astrology, Chandrahari has all the quality to give such an aswer. * Rishi Prasad react violently (poor kid!) by spitting all around. Result - a Crow is identified. A man after money who can neither identify the real contributions nor contribute himself. Action taken: Rishi got banned from group (May be Contrary or in tune with your expectation) Why no action against Chandrahari? Answer: Sincerity matters, and valued! May be it is real moderation I believe. Note: Usually your mail will never get moderated, and we consider you as one among the moderators since you are one with potential. For example, by raising the heights of astrological knowledge imparting you can quarrel to any extend with Chandrahari (or anyone else in this group) but usually your mails won't get moderated I believe (certainly not by me); Because you two can contribute to the cause of astrology; we want substance and politics, whether from you, chandrahari, rishi or anyone else - substance is valued, and petty abuses. Note: Is there any problem with the group moderation? I think it is becoming better and better! Finding new ways bring out the hidden jackals! Love and regards,Sreeandh , Vijayanarasimha H Pakka <hpvijaynarasimha wrote:>> Haha, so much for moderating the group. I can without doubt say that, when moderators are allowing such personal attacks from either side, then there is no use in them requesting all members to refrain from such attacks. > > While Mr. Rishiprasad's email doesnt have verbal abuse but has tactful reply, Mr. Chandrahari's definitely has some direct abuse. Let's see how the moderators are going to resolve this. It seems moderators are going by age and expertise in allowing such abusive emails. And the irony is that each moderator repeats everytime that this group doesnt recognize anyone by their age or expertise. So much for democracy and hypocracy, LOL.> > Regards,> Vijay.> > PS: I am expecting this email to be moderated, given that I dont have many years of experience in jyotishatra, ROFL. , "Rishi Prasad" <rishiprasad wrote:>> Chadrahari,> I also do more than 150 free readings every day off my site. Seeing the> level of frustration you have within you, I would request you to log in a> request for a free reading on my site. Let me help you brother. Living with> so much anger and hate will not help you generate any sort of good karma. As> for my qualifications, well, I don't force anyone to come to me. If they do,> they only do so because they have heard well of me or have received great> benefit from my readings.> Maybe you are burning with envy because you are unable to earn in a year> what I probably do in a day. But have no anger brother. I am ready to help> you in any manner I can. I can send you client, once of course, you have> proved that you have something besides just anger and rage within you.> Such traits will never allow you to read a chart correctly. You need to be> calm. Meditate more. And work to improve your destiny in a collected,> balanced manner. To cry hysterically like a child does not do a grown up> proud at all.> God bless you. My blessings shall always lie with you.> Rishi> > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18 wrote: > Dear Rishi prasad,> > What ettiquette are you speaking about? I saw your website and found> that you are charging $550 = Rs 21000/- for a reading. What are your> credentials to charge such huge amount from innocent people? Are you> qualified to offer such high value service?> > Don't speak of ettiquette like p*****s speaking of chastity. You and> people like you have to be diplomatic with the whole world to exploit> them. I don't want to exploit anyone and so I speak in the interests of> Jyotihsastram/> > chandra hari> > , "Rishi Prasad"> rishiprasad@ wrote:> >> > Namaskar,> > I am very impressed by the mature manner in which Neelam has countered> > Chandra Haris verbal assault on her. It is refreshing to see such an> > attitude. The astrology we can always debate upon. But etiquette such> as> > this can not be learnt-not this late in life anyway. My kudos to> Neelam.> > Rishi> >> > 2008/5/9 neelam gupta neelamgupta07@:> >> > > Dear Chandra Hari ji,> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > You should've been a politician.... eyes to see opposition> everywhere...> > >> > > ...just want to clarify a few points for the sake of my own> integrity than> > > anything else.> > >> > > A biased discussion and ground preparation for that is apparent in> her> > > words. Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not> finding any> > > justification in the events.> > >> > > I am not biased (?as yet I have no theory to be biased for) and> there is no> > > ground preparation. It is just a matter of debate and in the wake of> an> > > on-going discussion on use of different ayanamshas. If there are no> counter> > > arguments or such arguments are called biased and ground preparing> exercises> > > (though I don't understand ground preparing for what? I have no> association> > > what so ever ? with Lahiri, neither am I born in chitra), how> will I decide> > > in favour of one or the other?> > >> > > Basically the probe started when a found a difference with respect> to your> > > statement:> > > "This is a chart where the Rasi and Navamsa are the same in Raman,> Lahiri> > > and the ayanamsa" (ref your document on Tagore)> > >> > > When I cast the chart, I found Mars in 4H with CPA. Navamsha also> changed> > > drastically. And mars comes to libra navamsh with venus (you are> trying to> > > find venus-mars connection when mars is in 4H).> > >> > > Either I have got the chart wrong?then the argument can be on> grounds as to> > > 9L mars is giving results of 3H or 4H or both? Which appears to be> the case> > > as even with CHA, mars goes to 4H in chalit chart. With CPA also he> is sort> > > of placed in one but a foot in other.> > >> > > Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not finding> any> > > justification in the events....> > >> > > Nothing is strange if we do not see it with strange eyes?.> > >> > > Since 9L is the most important planet after LL, being the strongest> kona> > > and governing the prarabdh and bhagya, we must be sure about its> placement.> > >> > > Primary purpose of a soul is governed by the lord of prarabdh. i.e> 9L. How> > > one does that is seen by his placement and associations. Rashi chart> will> > > define the primary purpose and for fine tuning we move to navamsh> and> > > vargas.> > >> > > Mars, the 9L and 2L in 4H has given him the ability to raise both> manpower> > > and funds to build institutions and association of karmic nodes help> him> > > achieve that. Regarding the writing and painting abilities, mars is> the> > > dispositor of venus, Mer and sun in exchange involving 2H, 3H and> 4H. In> > > navamsha, mars is with venus in 3H in libra. This explains the fine> > > abilities in painting.> > >> > > But more than painting, Tagore is famous for his writing and> literary> > > skills. He got the Noble prize also for Literature. Mars in natural> 3H in> > > Gemini and 4H in natal chart would give him the kind of writings he> is> > > famous for. With ketu along with fineness, literary skills, and> language> > > skills.> > >> > > Mars in 4H forms a stronger rajyoga which should be taken for> defining the> > > purpose of his life and for fine-tuning that purpose the yoga gets> confirmed> > > and strengthened in navamsh when mars aspects 9H with venus.> Classics always> > > say that Rajyoga is association of trinal and Kendra houses and> lords. In 3H> > > there is no rajyoga, even if mars aspects own house. Mars in 4H also> forms> > > another rajyoga in parivartan with 4L and 7L mercury.> > >> > > Regarding the 6/8 relationship with 9H, we cannot say it will be> doomed> > > across board. There will obviously be some deficiency regarding 9H,> but it> > > also gives the depth of thinking, spirituality, research-mindedness.> His> > > father was a Brahmosamaj worker associated with religion and> spirituality.> > > In CHA, when mars goes to 3H, it is in 7H Taurus and venus is 7L and> 12L in> > > 6H from 9H.> > >> > > Mass appeal and public adulation is in the domain of 4H. Nodes> become> > > yogkaraks if associated with trinal lord in Kendra or trine. This is> well> > > known dictum.> > >> > > We cannot wish away any placement like that, unless and until we> find solid> > > grounds. I have uploaded the file in files section and please check> the> > > navamsh given by CPA in this case.> > >> > > I would've answered all the questions raised by you, but one-sided> approach> > > is useless ending up with naming and blaming.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > Vande Mataram > Yahaan vahaan saara jahaan dekha liyaahe> Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe> Assi nahi sau din duniya ghumahe> Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Dear Vijay ji, There was a small typo in my previous mail. Please read - we want substance and not politics, whether from you, chandrahari, rishi or anyone else - substance is valued, and not petty abuses. Note: Or may be typo matters! Who knows who is where? Regards,Sreenadh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote: Re: Individuals and Personas Dear Vijaya Narasimha ji, The rules are simple and may be the moderators are well aware of their rolls as this example amply reveals. Why? Here goes the facts. * Rishi prasad was noted - Why? Because he was trying to cause a conflict between 2 very respectable members in the group. A real bad trait. * His mail and reply mail by Chandra hari got approved by some moderator (defenitly not me). Possible reason - may be they felt that the above trait, deserves a direct annswer without diplomacy. And as a true researcher who has contributed much to the cause of astrology, Chandrahari has all the quality to give such an aswer. * Rishi Prasad react violently (poor kid!) by spitting all around. Result - a Crow is identified. A man after money who can neither identify the real contributions nor contribute himself. Action taken: Rishi got banned from group (May be Contrary or in tune with your expectation) Why no action against Chandrahari? Answer: Sincerity matters, and valued! May be it is real moderation I believe. Note: Usually your mail will never get moderated, and we consider you as one among the moderators since you are one with potential. For example, by raising the heights of astrological knowledge imparting you can quarrel to any extend with Chandrahari (or anyone else in this group) but usually your mails won't get moderated I believe (certainly not by me); Because you two can contribute to the cause of astrology; we want substance and politics, whether from you, chandrahari, rishi or anyone else - substance is valued, and petty abuses. Note: Is there any problem with the group moderation? I think it is becoming better and better! Finding new ways bring out the hidden jackals! Love and regards,Sreeandh> , Vijayanarasimha H Pakka> hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> >> > Haha, so much for moderating the group. I can without doubt say that,> when moderators are allowing such personal attacks from either side,> then there is no use in them requesting all members to refrain from such> attacks.> >> > While Mr. Rishiprasad's email doesnt have verbal abuse but has tactful> reply, Mr. Chandrahari's definitely has some direct abuse. Let's see how> the moderators are going to resolve this. It seems moderators are going> by age and expertise in allowing such abusive emails. And the irony is> that each moderator repeats everytime that this group doesnt recognize> anyone by their age or expertise. So much for democracy and hypocracy,> LOL.> >> > Regards,> > Vijay.> >> > PS: I am expecting this email to be moderated, given that I dont have> many years of experience in jyotishatra, ROFL.> > > > < , "Rishi Prasad"> rishiprasad@ wrote:> >> > Chadrahari,> > I also do more than 150 free readings every day off my site. Seeing> the> > level of frustration you have within you, I would request you to log> in a> > request for a free reading on my site. Let me help you brother. Living> with> > so much anger and hate will not help you generate any sort of good> karma. As> > for my qualifications, well, I don't force anyone to come to me. If> they do,> > they only do so because they have heard well of me or have received> great> > benefit from my readings.> > Maybe you are burning with envy because you are unable to earn in a> year> > what I probably do in a day. But have no anger brother. I am ready to> help> > you in any manner I can. I can send you client, once of course, you> have> > proved that you have something besides just anger and rage within you.> > Such traits will never allow you to read a chart correctly. You need> to be> > calm. Meditate more. And work to improve your destiny in a collected,> > balanced manner. To cry hysterically like a child does not do a grown> up> > proud at all.> > God bless you. My blessings shall always lie with you.> > Rishi> >> > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > Dear Rishi prasad,> >> > What ettiquette are you speaking about? I saw your website and found> > that you are charging $550 = Rs 21000/- for a reading. What are your> > credentials to charge such huge amount from innocent people? Are you> > qualified to offer such high value service?> >> > Don't speak of ettiquette like p*****s speaking of chastity. You and> > people like you have to be diplomatic with the whole world to exploit> > them. I don't want to exploit anyone and so I speak in the interests> of> > Jyotihsastram/> >> > chandra hari> >> > , "Rishi Prasad"> > rishiprasad@ wrote:> > >> > > Namaskar,> > > I am very impressed by the mature manner in which Neelam has> countered> > > Chandra Haris verbal assault on her. It is refreshing to see such an> > > attitude. The astrology we can always debate upon. But etiquette> such> > as> > > this can not be learnt-not this late in life anyway. My kudos to> > Neelam.> > > Rishi> > >> > > 2008/5/9 neelam gupta neelamgupta07@:> > >> > > > Dear Chandra Hari ji,> > > >> > > > Namaste,> > > >> > > > You should've been a politician.... eyes to see opposition> > everywhere...> > > >> > > > ...just want to clarify a few points for the sake of my own> > integrity than> > > > anything else.> > > >> > > > A biased discussion and ground preparation for that is apparent in> > her> > > > words. Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not> > finding any> > > > justification in the events.> > > >> > > > I am not biased (?as yet I have no theory to be biased for) and> > there is no> > > > ground preparation. It is just a matter of debate and in the wake> of> > an> > > > on-going discussion on use of different ayanamshas. If there are> no> > counter> > > > arguments or such arguments are called biased and ground preparing> > exercises> > > > (though I don't understand ground preparing for what? I have no> > association> > > > what so ever ? with Lahiri, neither am I born in chitra), how> > will I decide> > > > in favour of one or the other?> > > >> > > > Basically the probe started when a found a difference with respect> > to your> > > > statement:> > > > "This is a chart where the Rasi and Navamsa are the same in Raman,> > Lahiri> > > > and the ayanamsa" (ref your document on Tagore)> > > >> > > > When I cast the chart, I found Mars in 4H with CPA. Navamsha also> > changed> > > > drastically. And mars comes to libra navamsh with venus (you are> > trying to> > > > find venus-mars connection when mars is in 4H).> > > >> > > > Either I have got the chart wrong?then the argument can be on> > grounds as to> > > > 9L mars is giving results of 3H or 4H or both? Which appears to be> > the case> > > > as even with CHA, mars goes to 4H in chalit chart. With CPA also> he> > is sort> > > > of placed in one but a foot in other.> > > >> > > > Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not finding> > any> > > > justification in the events....> > > >> > > > Nothing is strange if we do not see it with strange eyes?.> > > >> > > > Since 9L is the most important planet after LL, being the> strongest> > kona> > > > and governing the prarabdh and bhagya, we must be sure about its> > placement.> > > >> > > > Primary purpose of a soul is governed by the lord of prarabdh. i.e> > 9L. How> > > > one does that is seen by his placement and associations. Rashi> chart> > will> > > > define the primary purpose and for fine tuning we move to navamsh> > and> > > > vargas.> > > >> > > > Mars, the 9L and 2L in 4H has given him the ability to raise both> > manpower> > > > and funds to build institutions and association of karmic nodes> help> > him> > > > achieve that. Regarding the writing and painting abilities, mars> is> > the> > > > dispositor of venus, Mer and sun in exchange involving 2H, 3H and> > 4H. In> > > > navamsha, mars is with venus in 3H in libra. This explains the> fine> > > > abilities in painting.> > > >> > > > But more than painting, Tagore is famous for his writing and> > literary> > > > skills. He got the Noble prize also for Literature. Mars in> natural> > 3H in> > > > Gemini and 4H in natal chart would give him the kind of writings> he> > is> > > > famous for. With ketu along with fineness, literary skills, and> > language> > > > skills.> > > >> > > > Mars in 4H forms a stronger rajyoga which should be taken for> > defining the> > > > purpose of his life and for fine-tuning that purpose the yoga gets> > confirmed> > > > and strengthened in navamsh when mars aspects 9H with venus.> > Classics always> > > > say that Rajyoga is association of trinal and Kendra houses and> > lords. In 3H> > > > there is no rajyoga, even if mars aspects own house. Mars in 4H> also> > forms> > > > another rajyoga in parivartan with 4L and 7L mercury.> > > >> > > > Regarding the 6/8 relationship with 9H, we cannot say it will be> > doomed> > > > across board. There will obviously be some deficiency regarding> 9H,> > but it> > > > also gives the depth of thinking, spirituality,> research-mindedness.> > His> > > > father was a Brahmosamaj worker associated with religion and> > spirituality.> > > > In CHA, when mars goes to 3H, it is in 7H Taurus and venus is 7L> and> > 12L in> > > > 6H from 9H.> > > >> > > > Mass appeal and public adulation is in the domain of 4H. Nodes> > become> > > > yogkaraks if associated with trinal lord in Kendra or trine. This> is> > well> > > > known dictum.> > > >> > > > We cannot wish away any placement like that, unless and until we> > find solid> > > > grounds. I have uploaded the file in files section and please> check> > the> > > > navamsh given by CPA in this case.> > > >> > > > I would've answered all the questions raised by you, but one-sided> > approach> > > > is useless ending up with naming and blaming.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > Vande Mataram> > Yahaan vahaan saara jahaan dekha liyaahe> > Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe> > Assi nahi sau din duniya ghumahe> > Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe> >> >> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try> it now.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Dear Shreenadhji,Your points satisfied me, except that I cant agree over one point, that Chandrahariji was let off without even a warning. I appreciated Sreeramji's warning to him. Infact Chandrahariji's emails (taunting inexperience and his roughness in messages) are kind of stopping me from discussing points openly with him, feeling scared constantly as to when he might pounce on me saying that I havent devoted my life to jyotishastra hence I might be a psuedo-astrologer. Maybe his second house has mars, hence he might be harsh-spoken, but I believe since we know our own horoscopes, we can correct our behaviours to some extent. I have started to correct mine, else what use is astrology for. Politeness (but with criticism) will encourage newcomers to chat with Chandrahariji and learn more. Anyway, I am still scared to talk anything even related to astrology with him. I hope this group is not like a typical Indian classroom, where constant bullying makes backbenchers/shy people like me stop interacting with others for fear of humiliation/abuses/etc. Maybe I am timid because of Venus in Lagna.Regards,Vijay.PS: Thanks for considering me as one among the moderators.Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear Vijaya Narasimha ji, The rules are simple and may be the moderators are well aware of their rolls as this example amply reveals. Why? Here goes the facts. * Rishi prasad was noted - Why? Because he was trying to cause a conflict between 2 very respectable members in the group. A real bad trait. * His mail and reply mail by Chandra hari got approved by some moderator (defenitly not me). Possible reason - may be they felt that the above trait, deserves a direct annswer without diplomacy. And as a true researcher who has contributed much to the cause of astrology, Chandrahari has all the quality to give such an aswer. * Rishi Prasad react violently (poor kid!) by spitting all around. Result - a Crow is identified. A man after money who can neither identify the real contributions nor contribute himself. Action taken: Rishi got banned from group (May be Contrary or in tune with your expectation) Why no action against Chandrahari? Answer: Sincerity matters, and valued! May be it is real moderation I believe. Note: Usually your mail will never get moderated, and we consider you as one among the moderators since you are one with potential. For example, by raising the heights of astrological knowledge imparting you can quarrel to any extend with Chandrahari (or anyone else in this group) but usually your mails won't get moderated I believe (certainly not by me); Because you two can contribute to the cause of astrology; we want substance and politics, whether from you, chandrahari, rishi or anyone else - substance is valued, and petty abuses. Note: Is there any problem with the group moderation? I think it is becoming better and better! Finding new ways bring out the hidden jackals! Love and regards,Sreeandh , Vijayanarasimha H Pakka <hpvijaynarasimha wrote:>> Haha, so much for moderating the group. I can without doubt say that, when moderators are allowing such personal attacks from either side, then there is no use in them requesting all members to refrain from such attacks. > > While Mr. Rishiprasad's email doesnt have verbal abuse but has tactful reply, Mr. Chandrahari's definitely has some direct abuse. Let's see how the moderators are going to resolve this. It seems moderators are going by age and expertise in allowing such abusive emails. And the irony is that each moderator repeats everytime that this group doesnt recognize anyone by their age or expertise. So much for democracy and hypocracy, LOL.> > Regards,> Vijay.> > PS: I am expecting this email to be moderated, given that I dont have many years of experience in jyotishatra, ROFL. , "Rishi Prasad" <rishiprasad wrote:>> Chadrahari,> I also do more than 150 free readings every day off my site. Seeing the> level of frustration you have within you, I would request you to log in a> request for a free reading on my site. Let me help you brother. Living with> so much anger and hate will not help you generate any sort of good karma. As> for my qualifications, well, I don't force anyone to come to me. If they do,> they only do so because they have heard well of me or have received great> benefit from my readings.> Maybe you are burning with envy because you are unable to earn in a year> what I probably do in a day. But have no anger brother. I am ready to help> you in any manner I can. I can send you client, once of course, you have> proved that you have something besides just anger and rage within you.> Such traits will never allow you to read a chart correctly. You need to be> calm. Meditate more. And work to improve your destiny in a collected,> balanced manner. To cry hysterically like a child does not do a grown up> proud at all.> God bless you. My blessings shall always lie with you.> Rishi> > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18 wrote: > Dear Rishi prasad,> > What ettiquette are you speaking about? I saw your website and found> that you are charging $550 = Rs 21000/- for a reading. What are your> credentials to charge such huge amount from innocent people? Are you> qualified to offer such high value service?> > Don't speak of ettiquette like p*****s speaking of chastity. You and> people like you have to be diplomatic with the whole world to exploit> them. I don't want to exploit anyone and so I speak in the interests of> Jyotihsastram/> > chandra hari> > , "Rishi Prasad"> rishiprasad@ wrote:> >> > Namaskar,> > I am very impressed by the mature manner in which Neelam has countered> > Chandra Haris verbal assault on her. It is refreshing to see such an> > attitude. The astrology we can always debate upon. But etiquette such> as> > this can not be learnt-not this late in life anyway. My kudos to> Neelam.> > Rishi> >> > 2008/5/9 neelam gupta neelamgupta07@:> >> > > Dear Chandra Hari ji,> > >> > > Namaste,> > >> > > You should've been a politician.... eyes to see opposition> everywhere...> > >> > > ...just want to clarify a few points for the sake of my own> integrity than> > > anything else.> > >> > > A biased discussion and ground preparation for that is apparent in> her> > > words. Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not> finding any> > > justification in the events.> > >> > > I am not biased (?as yet I have no theory to be biased for) and> there is no> > > ground preparation. It is just a matter of debate and in the wake of> an> > > on-going discussion on use of different ayanamshas. If there are no> counter> > > arguments or such arguments are called biased and ground preparing> exercises> > > (though I don't understand ground preparing for what? I have no> association> > > what so ever ? with Lahiri, neither am I born in chitra), how> will I decide> > > in favour of one or the other?> > >> > > Basically the probe started when a found a difference with respect> to your> > > statement:> > > "This is a chart where the Rasi and Navamsa are the same in Raman,> Lahiri> > > and the ayanamsa" (ref your document on Tagore)> > >> > > When I cast the chart, I found Mars in 4H with CPA. Navamsha also> changed> > > drastically. And mars comes to libra navamsh with venus (you are> trying to> > > find venus-mars connection when mars is in 4H).> > >> > > Either I have got the chart wrong?then the argument can be on> grounds as to> > > 9L mars is giving results of 3H or 4H or both? Which appears to be> the case> > > as even with CHA, mars goes to 4H in chalit chart. With CPA also he> is sort> > > of placed in one but a foot in other.> > >> > > Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not finding> any> > > justification in the events....> > >> > > Nothing is strange if we do not see it with strange eyes?.> > >> > > Since 9L is the most important planet after LL, being the strongest> kona> > > and governing the prarabdh and bhagya, we must be sure about its> placement.> > >> > > Primary purpose of a soul is governed by the lord of prarabdh. i.e> 9L. How> > > one does that is seen by his placement and associations. Rashi chart> will> > > define the primary purpose and for fine tuning we move to navamsh> and> > > vargas.> > >> > > Mars, the 9L and 2L in 4H has given him the ability to raise both> manpower> > > and funds to build institutions and association of karmic nodes help> him> > > achieve that. Regarding the writing and painting abilities, mars is> the> > > dispositor of venus, Mer and sun in exchange involving 2H, 3H and> 4H. In> > > navamsha, mars is with venus in 3H in libra. This explains the fine> > > abilities in painting.> > >> > > But more than painting, Tagore is famous for his writing and> literary> > > skills. He got the Noble prize also for Literature. Mars in natural> 3H in> > > Gemini and 4H in natal chart would give him the kind of writings he> is> > > famous for. With ketu along with fineness, literary skills, and> language> > > skills.> > >> > > Mars in 4H forms a stronger rajyoga which should be taken for> defining the> > > purpose of his life and for fine-tuning that purpose the yoga gets> confirmed> > > and strengthened in navamsh when mars aspects 9H with venus.> Classics always> > > say that Rajyoga is association of trinal and Kendra houses and> lords. In 3H> > > there is no rajyoga, even if mars aspects own house. Mars in 4H also> forms> > > another rajyoga in parivartan with 4L and 7L mercury.> > >> > > Regarding the 6/8 relationship with 9H, we cannot say it will be> doomed> > > across board. There will obviously be some deficiency regarding 9H,> but it> > > also gives the depth of thinking, spirituality, research-mindedness.> His> > > father was a Brahmosamaj worker associated with religion and> spirituality.> > > In CHA, when mars goes to 3H, it is in 7H Taurus and venus is 7L and> 12L in> > > 6H from 9H.> > >> > > Mass appeal and public adulation is in the domain of 4H. Nodes> become> > > yogkaraks if associated with trinal lord in Kendra or trine. This is> well> > > known dictum.> > >> > > We cannot wish away any placement like that, unless and until we> find solid> > > grounds. I have uploaded the file in files section and please check> the> > > navamsh given by CPA in this case.> > >> > > I would've answered all the questions raised by you, but one-sided> approach> > > is useless ending up with naming and blaming.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> >> > > > > > > Vande Mataram > Yahaan vahaan saara jahaan dekha liyaahe> Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe> Assi nahi sau din duniya ghumahe> Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> Vande Mataram Yahaan vahaan saara jahaan dekha liyaahe Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe Assi nahi sau din duniya ghumahe Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Dear Vijay ji,==>> Your points satisfied me, except that I cant agree over one point, that Chandrahariji was let off without even a warning. I appreciated Sreeramji's warning to him.<== The simple rule openly said for your clarity (it matters!) - To create a balanced environment the group of moderators should work to create a balenced environment. Or may be the group of moderators should be balanced. I think it is true for us. ==>Infact Chandrahariji's emails (taunting inexperience and his roughness in messages) are kind of stopping me from discussing points openly with him, feeling scared constantly as to when he might pounce on me saying that I havent devoted my life to jyotishastra hence I might be a psuedo-astrologer. Maybe his second house has mars, hence he might be harsh-spoken, but I believe since we know our own horoscopes, we can correct our behaviours to some extent. I have started to correct mine, else what use is astrology for. <== Truely sincere! Beautifully put. I believe Chandrahari ji, Vinita ji, Neelam ji and all would be having a heart felt laugh on hearing this sincere expression of heartfelt feeling from you. True - I agree with you. And request Chandrahari to notice this, and make his words bit mild; please don't scare away the sincere and knowledgeable kids and grownups. I believe he is humane enough, lovable and caring individual to see this. But yet knows how not to mix true research personal emotions; but truely feelings and relationships matters! We are all friends and let us accept each other as they are - and let us support sincerety and knowledge from where ever it springs. Love and regards,Sreenadh , Vijayanarasimha H Pakka <hpvijaynarasimha wrote:>> Dear Shreenadhji,> > Your points satisfied me, except that I cant agree over one point, that Chandrahariji was let off without even a warning. I appreciated Sreeramji's warning to him. Infact Chandrahariji's emails (taunting inexperience and his roughness in messages) are kind of stopping me from discussing points openly with him, feeling scared constantly as to when he might pounce on me saying that I havent devoted my life to jyotishastra hence I might be a psuedo-astrologer. Maybe his second house has mars, hence he might be harsh-spoken, but I believe since we know our own horoscopes, we can correct our behaviours to some extent. I have started to correct mine, else what use is astrology for. > > Politeness (but with criticism) will encourage newcomers to chat with Chandrahariji and learn more. Anyway, I am still scared to talk anything even related to astrology with him. I hope this group is not like a typical Indian classroom, where constant bullying makes backbenchers/shy people like me stop interacting with others for fear of humiliation/abuses/etc. Maybe I am timid because of Venus in Lagna.> > Regards,> Vijay.> > PS: Thanks for considering me as one among the moderators.> > Sreenadh sreesog wrote: > Dear Vijaya Narasimha ji,> The rules are simple and may be the moderators are well aware of their rolls as this example amply reveals. Why? Here goes the facts. > * Rishi prasad was noted - Why? Because he was trying to cause a conflict between 2 very respectable members in the group. A real bad trait.> * His mail and reply mail by Chandra hari got approved by some moderator (defenitly not me). Possible reason - may be they felt that the above trait, deserves a direct annswer without diplomacy. And as a true researcher who has contributed much to the cause of astrology, Chandrahari has all the quality to give such an aswer.> * Rishi Prasad react violently (poor kid!) by spitting all around. Result - a Crow is identified. A man after money who can neither identify the real contributions nor contribute himself. > Action taken: Rishi got banned from group (May be Contrary or in tune with your expectation) > Why no action against Chandrahari? Answer: Sincerity matters, and valued! > May be it is real moderation I believe. > Note: Usually your mail will never get moderated, and we consider you as one among the moderators since you are one with potential. For example, by raising the heights of astrological knowledge imparting you can quarrel to any extend with Chandrahari (or anyone else in this group) but usually your mails won't get moderated I believe (certainly not by me); Because you two can contribute to the cause of astrology; we want substance and politics, whether from you, chandrahari, rishi or anyone else - substance is valued, and petty abuses. > Note: Is there any problem with the group moderation? I think it is becoming better and better! Finding new ways bring out the hidden jackals! > Love and regards,> Sreeandh> > , Vijayanarasimha H Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> >> > Haha, so much for moderating the group. I can without doubt say that, when moderators are allowing such personal attacks from either side, then there is no use in them requesting all members to refrain from such attacks. > > > > While Mr. Rishiprasad's email doesnt have verbal abuse but has tactful reply, Mr. Chandrahari's definitely has some direct abuse. Let's see how the moderators are going to resolve this. It seems moderators are going by age and expertise in allowing such abusive emails. And the irony is that each moderator repeats everytime that this group doesnt recognize anyone by their age or expertise. So much for democracy and hypocracy, LOL.> > > > Regards,> > Vijay.> > > > PS: I am expecting this email to be moderated, given that I dont have many years of experience in jyotishatra, ROFL.> > , "Rishi Prasad" rishiprasad@ wrote:> >> > Chadrahari,> > I also do more than 150 free readings every day off my site. Seeing the> > level of frustration you have within you, I would request you to log in a> > request for a free reading on my site. Let me help you brother. Living with> > so much anger and hate will not help you generate any sort of good karma. As> > for my qualifications, well, I don't force anyone to come to me. If they do,> > they only do so because they have heard well of me or have received great> > benefit from my readings.> > Maybe you are burning with envy because you are unable to earn in a year> > what I probably do in a day. But have no anger brother. I am ready to help> > you in any manner I can. I can send you client, once of course, you have> > proved that you have something besides just anger and rage within you.> > Such traits will never allow you to read a chart correctly. You need to be> > calm. Meditate more. And work to improve your destiny in a collected,> > balanced manner. To cry hysterically like a child does not do a grown up> > proud at all.> > God bless you. My blessings shall always lie with you.> > Rishi> > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > Dear Rishi prasad,> > > > What ettiquette are you speaking about? I saw your website and found> > that you are charging $550 = Rs 21000/- for a reading. What are your> > credentials to charge such huge amount from innocent people? Are you> > qualified to offer such high value service?> > > > Don't speak of ettiquette like p*****s speaking of chastity. You and> > people like you have to be diplomatic with the whole world to exploit> > them. I don't want to exploit anyone and so I speak in the interests of> > Jyotihsastram/> > > > chandra hari> > > > , "Rishi Prasad"> > rishiprasad@ wrote:> > >> > > Namaskar,> > > I am very impressed by the mature manner in which Neelam has countered> > > Chandra Haris verbal assault on her. It is refreshing to see such an> > > attitude. The astrology we can always debate upon. But etiquette such> > as> > > this can not be learnt-not this late in life anyway. My kudos to> > Neelam.> > > Rishi> > >> > > 2008/5/9 neelam gupta neelamgupta07@:> > >> > > > Dear Chandra Hari ji,> > > >> > > > Namaste,> > > >> > > > You should've been a politician.... eyes to see opposition> > everywhere...> > > >> > > > ...just want to clarify a few points for the sake of my own> > integrity than> > > > anything else.> > > >> > > > A biased discussion and ground preparation for that is apparent in> > her> > > > words. Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not> > finding any> > > > justification in the events.> > > >> > > > I am not biased (?as yet I have no theory to be biased for) and> > there is no> > > > ground preparation. It is just a matter of debate and in the wake of> > an> > > > on-going discussion on use of different ayanamshas. If there are no> > counter> > > > arguments or such arguments are called biased and ground preparing> > exercises> > > > (though I don't understand ground preparing for what? I have no> > association> > > > what so ever ? with Lahiri, neither am I born in chitra), how> > will I decide> > > > in favour of one or the other?> > > >> > > > Basically the probe started when a found a difference with respect> > to your> > > > statement:> > > > "This is a chart where the Rasi and Navamsa are the same in Raman,> > Lahiri> > > > and the ayanamsa" (ref your document on Tagore)> > > >> > > > When I cast the chart, I found Mars in 4H with CPA. Navamsha also> > changed> > > > drastically. And mars comes to libra navamsh with venus (you are> > trying to> > > > find venus-mars connection when mars is in 4H).> > > >> > > > Either I have got the chart wrong?then the argument can be on> > grounds as to> > > > 9L mars is giving results of 3H or 4H or both? Which appears to be> > the case> > > > as even with CHA, mars goes to 4H in chalit chart. With CPA also he> > is sort> > > > of placed in one but a foot in other.> > > >> > > > Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not finding> > any> > > > justification in the events....> > > >> > > > Nothing is strange if we do not see it with strange eyes?.> > > >> > > > Since 9L is the most important planet after LL, being the strongest> > kona> > > > and governing the prarabdh and bhagya, we must be sure about its> > placement.> > > >> > > > Primary purpose of a soul is governed by the lord of prarabdh. i.e> > 9L. How> > > > one does that is seen by his placement and associations. Rashi chart> > will> > > > define the primary purpose and for fine tuning we move to navamsh> > and> > > > vargas.> > > >> > > > Mars, the 9L and 2L in 4H has given him the ability to raise both> > manpower> > > > and funds to build institutions and association of karmic nodes help> > him> > > > achieve that. Regarding the writing and painting abilities, mars is> > the> > > > dispositor of venus, Mer and sun in exchange involving 2H, 3H and> > 4H. In> > > > navamsha, mars is with venus in 3H in libra. This explains the fine> > > > abilities in painting.> > > >> > > > But more than painting, Tagore is famous for his writing and> > literary> > > > skills. He got the Noble prize also for Literature. Mars in natural> > 3H in> > > > Gemini and 4H in natal chart would give him the kind of writings he> > is> > > > famous for. With ketu along with fineness, literary skills, and> > language> > > > skills.> > > >> > > > Mars in 4H forms a stronger rajyoga which should be taken for> > defining the> > > > purpose of his life and for fine-tuning that purpose the yoga gets> > confirmed> > > > and strengthened in navamsh when mars aspects 9H with venus.> > Classics always> > > > say that Rajyoga is association of trinal and Kendra houses and> > lords. In 3H> > > > there is no rajyoga, even if mars aspects own house. Mars in 4H also> > forms> > > > another rajyoga in parivartan with 4L and 7L mercury.> > > >> > > > Regarding the 6/8 relationship with 9H, we cannot say it will be> > doomed> > > > across board. There will obviously be some deficiency regarding 9H,> > but it> > > > also gives the depth of thinking, spirituality, research-mindedness.> > His> > > > father was a Brahmosamaj worker associated with religion and> > spirituality.> > > > In CHA, when mars goes to 3H, it is in 7H Taurus and venus is 7L and> > 12L in> > > > 6H from 9H.> > > >> > > > Mass appeal and public adulation is in the domain of 4H. Nodes> > become> > > > yogkaraks if associated with trinal lord in Kendra or trine. This is> > well> > > > known dictum.> > > >> > > > We cannot wish away any placement like that, unless and until we> > find solid> > > > grounds. I have uploaded the file in files section and please check> > the> > > > navamsh given by CPA in this case.> > > >> > > > I would've answered all the questions raised by you, but one-sided> > approach> > > > is useless ending up with naming and blaming.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vande Mataram > > Yahaan vahaan saara jahaan dekha liyaahe> > Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe> > Assi nahi sau din duniya ghumahe> > Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> >> > > > > > > Vande Mataram > Yahaan vahaan saara jahaan dekha liyaahe> Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe> Assi nahi sau din duniya ghumahe> Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Dear Sreenadh, It is one of my non-virtuous ambition to become diplomatic. As far as you are concerned, I know how much you have toiled and what kind of hardships you may hav experienced to learn the subject. May be many people are on the group for chatting but as I understand you have the purpose of serving Jyotisha. To my mind, if I go into silence, then that purpose won't be served. And let me tell you and other friends in the group, to become a silent spectator is not a difficult task. No further comments. If someone sincerely wants to learn astrology, then they must be humble and open. If someone is showing closed mind to me then I will try to knock open that. I have already pointed out the factors that caused my anger. Everyone must introspect and I don't mind getting warned by moderators - it is the group policy and their duty. And I think, they are not treating me in the same way as those who are intent upon popularity and business. That is the respect that they give me owing to their knowledge of my life and works. None need to have any heart burn that chandra hari is taking some extra previlege here for any vested interested he has. I am spending my time here thinking that my words good or bad may serve someone to understand Jyotihsastra better. Sreenadh need not fear about giving his response. You too can be angry when you feel that my anger is not justified. I did not show my anger even though you talked about 360 days year for dasas which is against all astronomical foundations of astrology. More than anger it gave me disappointment that despite your wide reading and experience, you have taken into such conclusion. In fact that is pointer towards the hardwork required in discussing the various dimensions of astrological principles. If we are here to learn with openness and sincereity, little skirmishes won't matter to anyone. To my mind, if I am able to learn a bit then I will be grateful to all of you. Now of course, my knowledge of psychology is improving and that help me to understand the society better. And in turn that may make me cooler in my response. I have nothing personal against you people, I have no diplomatic software and so I simply respond to the postings even though I prefer silence many times... chandra hari , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Vijay ji, > ==> > > Your points satisfied me, except that I cant agree over one point, > that Chandrahariji was let off without even a warning. I appreciated > Sreeramji's warning to him. > <== > The simple rule openly said for your clarity (it matters!) - To create > a balanced environment the group of moderators should work to create a > balenced environment. Or may be the group of moderators should be > balanced. I think it is true for us. [] > ==> > Infact Chandrahariji's emails (taunting inexperience and his roughness > in messages) are kind of stopping me from discussing points openly with > him, feeling scared constantly as to when he might pounce on me saying > that I havent devoted my life to jyotishastra hence I might be a > psuedo-astrologer. Maybe his second house has mars, hence he might be > harsh-spoken, but I believe since we know our own horoscopes, we can > correct our behaviours to some extent. I have started to correct mine, > else what use is astrology for. > <== > Truely sincere! Beautifully put. [] I believe Chandrahari ji, > Vinita ji, Neelam ji and all would be having a heart felt laugh on > hearing this sincere expression of heartfelt feeling from you. True - I > agree with you. [] And request Chandrahari to notice this, and make > his words bit mild; please don't scare away the sincere and > knowledgeable kids and grownups. I believe he is humane enough, lovable > and caring individual to see this. But yet knows how not to mix true > research personal emotions; but truely feelings and relationships > matters! [] We are all friends and let us accept each other as they > are - and let us support sincerety and knowledge from where ever it > springs. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , Vijayanarasimha H Pakka > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote: > > > > Dear Shreenadhji, > > > > Your points satisfied me, except that I cant agree over one point, > that Chandrahariji was let off without even a warning. I appreciated > Sreeramji's warning to him. Infact Chandrahariji's emails (taunting > inexperience and his roughness in messages) are kind of stopping me from > discussing points openly with him, feeling scared constantly as to when > he might pounce on me saying that I havent devoted my life to > jyotishastra hence I might be a psuedo-astrologer. Maybe his second > house has mars, hence he might be harsh-spoken, but I believe since we > know our own horoscopes, we can correct our behaviours to some extent. I > have started to correct mine, else what use is astrology for. > > > > Politeness (but with criticism) will encourage newcomers to chat with > Chandrahariji and learn more. Anyway, I am still scared to talk anything > even related to astrology with him. I hope this group is not like a > typical Indian classroom, where constant bullying makes backbenchers/shy > people like me stop interacting with others for fear of > humiliation/abuses/etc. Maybe I am timid because of Venus in Lagna. > > > > Regards, > > Vijay. > > > > PS: Thanks for considering me as one among the moderators. > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > Dear Vijaya Narasimha ji, > > The rules are simple and may be the moderators are well aware of their > rolls as this example amply reveals. Why? Here goes the facts. > > * Rishi prasad was noted - Why? Because he was trying to cause a > conflict between 2 very respectable members in the group. A real bad > trait. > > * His mail and reply mail by Chandra hari got approved by some > moderator (defenitly not me). Possible reason - may be they felt that > the above trait, deserves a direct annswer without diplomacy. And as a > true researcher who has contributed much to the cause of astrology, > Chandrahari has all the quality to give such an aswer. > > * Rishi Prasad react violently (poor kid!) by spitting all around. > Result - a Crow is identified. A man after money who can neither > identify the real contributions nor contribute himself. > > Action taken: Rishi got banned from group (May be Contrary or in tune > with your expectation) > > Why no action against Chandrahari? Answer: Sincerity matters, and > valued! > > May be it is real moderation I believe. > > Note: Usually your mail will never get moderated, and we consider you > as one among the moderators since you are one with potential. For > example, by raising the heights of astrological knowledge imparting you > can quarrel to any extend with Chandrahari (or anyone else in this > group) but usually your mails won't get moderated I believe (certainly > not by me); Because you two can contribute to the cause of astrology; we > want substance and politics, whether from you, chandrahari, rishi or > anyone else - substance is valued, and petty abuses. > > Note: Is there any problem with the group moderation? I think it is > becoming better and better! Finding new ways bring out the hidden > jackals! > > Love and regards, > > Sreeandh > > > > , Vijayanarasimha H > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote: > > > > > > Haha, so much for moderating the group. I can without doubt say > that, when moderators are allowing such personal attacks from either > side, then there is no use in them requesting all members to refrain > from such attacks. > > > > > > While Mr. Rishiprasad's email doesnt have verbal abuse but has > tactful reply, Mr. Chandrahari's definitely has some direct abuse. Let's > see how the moderators are going to resolve this. It seems moderators > are going by age and expertise in allowing such abusive emails. And the > irony is that each moderator repeats everytime that this group doesnt > recognize anyone by their age or expertise. So much for democracy and > hypocracy, LOL. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Vijay. > > > > > > PS: I am expecting this email to be moderated, given that I dont > have many years of experience in jyotishatra, ROFL. > > > > , " Rishi Prasad " > rishiprasad@ wrote: > > > > > > Chadrahari, > > > I also do more than 150 free readings every day off my site. Seeing > the > > > level of frustration you have within you, I would request you to log > in a > > > request for a free reading on my site. Let me help you brother. > Living with > > > so much anger and hate will not help you generate any sort of good > karma. As > > > for my qualifications, well, I don't force anyone to come to me. If > they do, > > > they only do so because they have heard well of me or have received > great > > > benefit from my readings. > > > Maybe you are burning with envy because you are unable to earn in a > year > > > what I probably do in a day. But have no anger brother. I am ready > to help > > > you in any manner I can. I can send you client, once of course, you > have > > > proved that you have something besides just anger and rage within > you. > > > Such traits will never allow you to read a chart correctly. You need > to be > > > calm. Meditate more. And work to improve your destiny in a > collected, > > > balanced manner. To cry hysterically like a child does not do a > grown up > > > proud at all. > > > God bless you. My blessings shall always lie with you. > > > Rishi > > > > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > Dear Rishi prasad, > > > > > > What ettiquette are you speaking about? I saw your website and found > > > that you are charging $550 = Rs 21000/- for a reading. What are your > > > credentials to charge such huge amount from innocent people? Are you > > > qualified to offer such high value service? > > > > > > Don't speak of ettiquette like p*****s speaking of chastity. You and > > > people like you have to be diplomatic with the whole world to > exploit > > > them. I don't want to exploit anyone and so I speak in the interests > of > > > Jyotihsastram/ > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > , " Rishi Prasad " > > > rishiprasad@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > I am very impressed by the mature manner in which Neelam has > countered > > > > Chandra Haris verbal assault on her. It is refreshing to see such > an > > > > attitude. The astrology we can always debate upon. But etiquette > such > > > as > > > > this can not be learnt-not this late in life anyway. My kudos to > > > Neelam. > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > 2008/5/9 neelam gupta neelamgupta07@: > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra Hari ji, > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > You should've been a politician.... eyes to see opposition > > > everywhere... > > > > > > > > > > ...just want to clarify a few points for the sake of my own > > > integrity than > > > > > anything else. > > > > > > > > > > A biased discussion and ground preparation for that is apparent > in > > > her > > > > > words. Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not > > > finding any > > > > > justification in the events. > > > > > > > > > > I am not biased (?as yet I have no theory to be biased for) and > > > there is no > > > > > ground preparation. It is just a matter of debate and in the > wake of > > > an > > > > > on-going discussion on use of different ayanamshas. If there are > no > > > counter > > > > > arguments or such arguments are called biased and ground > preparing > > > exercises > > > > > (though I don't understand ground preparing for what? I have no > > > association > > > > > what so ever ? with Lahiri, neither am I born in chitra), how > > > will I decide > > > > > in favour of one or the other? > > > > > > > > > > Basically the probe started when a found a difference with > respect > > > to your > > > > > statement: > > > > > " This is a chart where the Rasi and Navamsa are the same in > Raman, > > > Lahiri > > > > > and the ayanamsa " (ref your document on Tagore) > > > > > > > > > > When I cast the chart, I found Mars in 4H with CPA. Navamsha > also > > > changed > > > > > drastically. And mars comes to libra navamsh with venus (you are > > > trying to > > > > > find venus-mars connection when mars is in 4H). > > > > > > > > > > Either I have got the chart wrong?then the argument can be on > > > grounds as to > > > > > 9L mars is giving results of 3H or 4H or both? Which appears to > be > > > the case > > > > > as even with CHA, mars goes to 4H in chalit chart. With CPA also > he > > > is sort > > > > > of placed in one but a foot in other. > > > > > > > > > > Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not > finding > > > any > > > > > justification in the events.... > > > > > > > > > > Nothing is strange if we do not see it with strange eyes?. > > > > > > > > > > Since 9L is the most important planet after LL, being the > strongest > > > kona > > > > > and governing the prarabdh and bhagya, we must be sure about its > > > placement. > > > > > > > > > > Primary purpose of a soul is governed by the lord of prarabdh. > i.e > > > 9L. How > > > > > one does that is seen by his placement and associations. Rashi > chart > > > will > > > > > define the primary purpose and for fine tuning we move to > navamsh > > > and > > > > > vargas. > > > > > > > > > > Mars, the 9L and 2L in 4H has given him the ability to raise > both > > > manpower > > > > > and funds to build institutions and association of karmic nodes > help > > > him > > > > > achieve that. Regarding the writing and painting abilities, mars > is > > > the > > > > > dispositor of venus, Mer and sun in exchange involving 2H, 3H > and > > > 4H. In > > > > > navamsha, mars is with venus in 3H in libra. This explains the > fine > > > > > abilities in painting. > > > > > > > > > > But more than painting, Tagore is famous for his writing and > > > literary > > > > > skills. He got the Noble prize also for Literature. Mars in > natural > > > 3H in > > > > > Gemini and 4H in natal chart would give him the kind of writings > he > > > is > > > > > famous for. With ketu along with fineness, literary skills, and > > > language > > > > > skills. > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 4H forms a stronger rajyoga which should be taken for > > > defining the > > > > > purpose of his life and for fine-tuning that purpose the yoga > gets > > > confirmed > > > > > and strengthened in navamsh when mars aspects 9H with venus. > > > Classics always > > > > > say that Rajyoga is association of trinal and Kendra houses and > > > lords. In 3H > > > > > there is no rajyoga, even if mars aspects own house. Mars in 4H > also > > > forms > > > > > another rajyoga in parivartan with 4L and 7L mercury. > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the 6/8 relationship with 9H, we cannot say it will be > > > doomed > > > > > across board. There will obviously be some deficiency regarding > 9H, > > > but it > > > > > also gives the depth of thinking, spirituality, > research-mindedness. > > > His > > > > > father was a Brahmosamaj worker associated with religion and > > > spirituality. > > > > > In CHA, when mars goes to 3H, it is in 7H Taurus and venus is 7L > and > > > 12L in > > > > > 6H from 9H. > > > > > > > > > > Mass appeal and public adulation is in the domain of 4H. Nodes > > > become > > > > > yogkaraks if associated with trinal lord in Kendra or trine. > This is > > > well > > > > > known dictum. > > > > > > > > > > We cannot wish away any placement like that, unless and until we > > > find solid > > > > > grounds. I have uploaded the file in files section and please > check > > > the > > > > > navamsh given by CPA in this case. > > > > > > > > > > I would've answered all the questions raised by you, but > one-sided > > > approach > > > > > is useless ending up with naming and blaming. > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vande Mataram > > > Yahaan vahaan saara jahaan dekha liyaahe > > > Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe > > > Assi nahi sau din duniya ghumahe > > > Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vande Mataram > > Yahaan vahaan saara jahaan dekha liyaahe > > Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe > > Assi nahi sau din duniya ghumahe > > Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Dear Chandrahari ji,==>> I did not show my anger> even though you talked about 360 days year for dasas which is against> all astronomical foundations of astrology. <== I won't give up the 360 day argument till we toil and reach some dependable conclusion that truely helps much in chart reading and timing of events using Vimsottari (whether it is 360 or not). More than the theoretical understanding (I agree that it matters, and forms the foundation; but also know that - every logic is not yet revealed; every bit of mathamatical foundation not yet known) and the current awareness about the mathametical foundation, day to day practical exprience while chart reading also matters, I believe. If I am unable to explain and pin point the time spans for the past and future events; if my derivations are not coming true what use such theory is? If some thing (even a wrong theory, or even something absurd) helps me to arrive at correct timing that is better I feel. And that is why I am still at 360. Note: I will clarify it with some well known example charts and events in future days - Let us have an argument. But not based on theory but based on charts, and UNCURRECTED TIMES AS GIVEN BY ANY (That is the practical scenario, the astrologers face). Love and regards,Sreenadh , "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Sreenadh,> > It is one of my non-virtuous ambition to become diplomatic. As far as> you are concerned, I know how much you have toiled and what kind of> hardships you may hav experienced to learn the subject. May be many> people are on the group for chatting but as I understand you have the> purpose of serving Jyotisha. To my mind, if I go into silence, then> that purpose won't be served. And let me tell you and other friends in> the group, to become a silent spectator is not a difficult task.> > No further comments. If someone sincerely wants to learn astrology, then> they must be humble and open. If someone is showing closed mind to me> then I will try to knock open that. I have already pointed out the> factors that caused my anger. Everyone must introspect and I don't mind> getting warned by moderators - it is the group policy and their duty. > And I think, they are not treating me in the same way as those who are> intent upon popularity and business. That is the respect that they give> me owing to their knowledge of my life and works.> > None need to have any heart burn that chandra hari is taking some extra> previlege here for any vested interested he has. I am spending my time> here thinking that my words good or bad may serve someone to understand> Jyotihsastra better.> > Sreenadh need not fear about giving his response. You too can be angry> when you feel that my anger is not justified. I did not show my anger> even though you talked about 360 days year for dasas which is against> all astronomical foundations of astrology. More than anger it gave me> disappointment that despite your wide reading and experience, you have> taken into such conclusion. In fact that is pointer towards the hardwork> required in discussing the various dimensions of astrological> principles.> > If we are here to learn with openness and sincereity, little skirmishes> won't matter to anyone. To my mind, if I am able to learn a bit then I> will be grateful to all of you. Now of course, my knowledge of> psychology is improving and that help me to understand the society> better. And in turn that may make me cooler in my response. I have> nothing personal against you people, I have no diplomatic software and> so I simply respond to the postings even though I prefer silence many> times...> > chandra hari> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Vijay ji,> > ==>> > > Your points satisfied me, except that I cant agree over one point,> > that Chandrahariji was let off without even a warning. I appreciated> > Sreeramji's warning to him.> > <==> > The simple rule openly said for your clarity (it matters!) - To create> > a balanced environment the group of moderators should work to create a> > balenced environment. Or may be the group of moderators should be> > balanced. I think it is true for us. []> > ==>> > Infact Chandrahariji's emails (taunting inexperience and his roughness> > in messages) are kind of stopping me from discussing points openly> with> > him, feeling scared constantly as to when he might pounce on me saying> > that I havent devoted my life to jyotishastra hence I might be a> > psuedo-astrologer. Maybe his second house has mars, hence he might be> > harsh-spoken, but I believe since we know our own horoscopes, we can> > correct our behaviours to some extent. I have started to correct mine,> > else what use is astrology for.> > <==> > Truely sincere! Beautifully put. [] I believe Chandrahari ji,> > Vinita ji, Neelam ji and all would be having a heart felt laugh on> > hearing this sincere expression of heartfelt feeling from you. True -> I> > agree with you. [] And request Chandrahari to notice this, and make> > his words bit mild; please don't scare away the sincere and> > knowledgeable kids and grownups. I believe he is humane enough,> lovable> > and caring individual to see this. But yet knows how not to mix true> > research personal emotions; but truely feelings and relationships> > matters! [] We are all friends and let us accept each other as they> > are - and let us support sincerety and knowledge from where ever it> > springs.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , Vijayanarasimha H> Pakka> > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Shreenadhji,> > >> > > Your points satisfied me, except that I cant agree over one point,> > that Chandrahariji was let off without even a warning. I appreciated> > Sreeramji's warning to him. Infact Chandrahariji's emails (taunting> > inexperience and his roughness in messages) are kind of stopping me> from> > discussing points openly with him, feeling scared constantly as to> when> > he might pounce on me saying that I havent devoted my life to> > jyotishastra hence I might be a psuedo-astrologer. Maybe his second> > house has mars, hence he might be harsh-spoken, but I believe since we> > know our own horoscopes, we can correct our behaviours to some extent.> I> > have started to correct mine, else what use is astrology for.> > >> > > Politeness (but with criticism) will encourage newcomers to chat> with> > Chandrahariji and learn more. Anyway, I am still scared to talk> anything> > even related to astrology with him. I hope this group is not like a> > typical Indian classroom, where constant bullying makes> backbenchers/shy> > people like me stop interacting with others for fear of> > humiliation/abuses/etc. Maybe I am timid because of Venus in Lagna.> > >> > > Regards,> > > Vijay.> > >> > > PS: Thanks for considering me as one among the moderators.> > >> > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:> > > Dear Vijaya Narasimha ji,> > > The rules are simple and may be the moderators are well aware of> their> > rolls as this example amply reveals. Why? Here goes the facts.> > > * Rishi prasad was noted - Why? Because he was trying to cause a> > conflict between 2 very respectable members in the group. A real bad> > trait.> > > * His mail and reply mail by Chandra hari got approved by some> > moderator (defenitly not me). Possible reason - may be they felt that> > the above trait, deserves a direct annswer without diplomacy. And as a> > true researcher who has contributed much to the cause of astrology,> > Chandrahari has all the quality to give such an aswer.> > > * Rishi Prasad react violently (poor kid!) by spitting all around.> > Result - a Crow is identified. A man after money who can neither> > identify the real contributions nor contribute himself.> > > Action taken: Rishi got banned from group (May be Contrary or in> tune> > with your expectation)> > > Why no action against Chandrahari? Answer: Sincerity matters, and> > valued!> > > May be it is real moderation I believe.> > > Note: Usually your mail will never get moderated, and we consider> you> > as one among the moderators since you are one with potential. For> > example, by raising the heights of astrological knowledge imparting> you> > can quarrel to any extend with Chandrahari (or anyone else in this> > group) but usually your mails won't get moderated I believe (certainly> > not by me); Because you two can contribute to the cause of astrology;> we> > want substance and politics, whether from you, chandrahari, rishi or> > anyone else - substance is valued, and petty abuses.> > > Note: Is there any problem with the group moderation? I think it is> > becoming better and better! Finding new ways bring out the hidden> > jackals!> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreeandh> > >> > > , Vijayanarasimha H> > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Haha, so much for moderating the group. I can without doubt say> > that, when moderators are allowing such personal attacks from either> > side, then there is no use in them requesting all members to refrain> > from such attacks.> > > >> > > > While Mr. Rishiprasad's email doesnt have verbal abuse but has> > tactful reply, Mr. Chandrahari's definitely has some direct abuse.> Let's> > see how the moderators are going to resolve this. It seems moderators> > are going by age and expertise in allowing such abusive emails. And> the> > irony is that each moderator repeats everytime that this group doesnt> > recognize anyone by their age or expertise. So much for democracy and> > hypocracy, LOL.> > > >> > > > Regards,> > > > Vijay.> > > >> > > > PS: I am expecting this email to be moderated, given that I dont> > have many years of experience in jyotishatra, ROFL.> > >> > > , "Rishi Prasad"> > rishiprasad@ wrote:> > > >> > > > Chadrahari,> > > > I also do more than 150 free readings every day off my site.> Seeing> > the> > > > level of frustration you have within you, I would request you to> log> > in a> > > > request for a free reading on my site. Let me help you brother.> > Living with> > > > so much anger and hate will not help you generate any sort of good> > karma. As> > > > for my qualifications, well, I don't force anyone to come to me.> If> > they do,> > > > they only do so because they have heard well of me or have> received> > great> > > > benefit from my readings.> > > > Maybe you are burning with envy because you are unable to earn in> a> > year> > > > what I probably do in a day. But have no anger brother. I am ready> > to help> > > > you in any manner I can. I can send you client, once of course,> you> > have> > > > proved that you have something besides just anger and rage within> > you.> > > > Such traits will never allow you to read a chart correctly. You> need> > to be> > > > calm. Meditate more. And work to improve your destiny in a> > collected,> > > > balanced manner. To cry hysterically like a child does not do a> > grown up> > > > proud at all.> > > > God bless you. My blessings shall always lie with you.> > > > Rishi> > > >> > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > > Dear Rishi prasad,> > > >> > > > What ettiquette are you speaking about? I saw your website and> found> > > > that you are charging $550 = Rs 21000/- for a reading. What are> your> > > > credentials to charge such huge amount from innocent people? Are> you> > > > qualified to offer such high value service?> > > >> > > > Don't speak of ettiquette like p*****s speaking of chastity. You> and> > > > people like you have to be diplomatic with the whole world to> > exploit> > > > them. I don't want to exploit anyone and so I speak in the> interests> > of> > > > Jyotihsastram/> > > >> > > > chandra hari> > > >> > > > , "Rishi Prasad"> > > > rishiprasad@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Namaskar,> > > > > I am very impressed by the mature manner in which Neelam has> > countered> > > > > Chandra Haris verbal assault on her. It is refreshing to see> such> > an> > > > > attitude. The astrology we can always debate upon. But etiquette> > such> > > > as> > > > > this can not be learnt-not this late in life anyway. My kudos to> > > > Neelam.> > > > > Rishi> > > > >> > > > > 2008/5/9 neelam gupta neelamgupta07@:> > > > >> > > > > > Dear Chandra Hari ji,> > > > > >> > > > > > Namaste,> > > > > >> > > > > > You should've been a politician.... eyes to see opposition> > > > everywhere...> > > > > >> > > > > > ...just want to clarify a few points for the sake of my own> > > > integrity than> > > > > > anything else.> > > > > >> > > > > > A biased discussion and ground preparation for that is> apparent> > in> > > > her> > > > > > words. Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is> not> > > > finding any> > > > > > justification in the events.> > > > > >> > > > > > I am not biased (?as yet I have no theory to be biased for)> and> > > > there is no> > > > > > ground preparation. It is just a matter of debate and in the> > wake of> > > > an> > > > > > on-going discussion on use of different ayanamshas. If there> are> > no> > > > counter> > > > > > arguments or such arguments are called biased and ground> > preparing> > > > exercises> > > > > > (though I don't understand ground preparing for what? I have> no> > > > association> > > > > > what so ever ? with Lahiri, neither am I born in chitra), how> > > > will I decide> > > > > > in favour of one or the other?> > > > > >> > > > > > Basically the probe started when a found a difference with> > respect> > > > to your> > > > > > statement:> > > > > > "This is a chart where the Rasi and Navamsa are the same in> > Raman,> > > > Lahiri> > > > > > and the ayanamsa" (ref your document on Tagore)> > > > > >> > > > > > When I cast the chart, I found Mars in 4H with CPA. Navamsha> > also> > > > changed> > > > > > drastically. And mars comes to libra navamsh with venus (you> are> > > > trying to> > > > > > find venus-mars connection when mars is in 4H).> > > > > >> > > > > > Either I have got the chart wrong?then the argument can be on> > > > grounds as to> > > > > > 9L mars is giving results of 3H or 4H or both? Which appears> to> > be> > > > the case> > > > > > as even with CHA, mars goes to 4H in chalit chart. With CPA> also> > he> > > > is sort> > > > > > of placed in one but a foot in other.> > > > > >> > > > > > Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not> > finding> > > > any> > > > > > justification in the events....> > > > > >> > > > > > Nothing is strange if we do not see it with strange eyes?.> > > > > >> > > > > > Since 9L is the most important planet after LL, being the> > strongest> > > > kona> > > > > > and governing the prarabdh and bhagya, we must be sure about> its> > > > placement.> > > > > >> > > > > > Primary purpose of a soul is governed by the lord of prarabdh.> > i.e> > > > 9L. How> > > > > > one does that is seen by his placement and associations. Rashi> > chart> > > > will> > > > > > define the primary purpose and for fine tuning we move to> > navamsh> > > > and> > > > > > vargas.> > > > > >> > > > > > Mars, the 9L and 2L in 4H has given him the ability to raise> > both> > > > manpower> > > > > > and funds to build institutions and association of karmic> nodes> > help> > > > him> > > > > > achieve that. Regarding the writing and painting abilities,> mars> > is> > > > the> > > > > > dispositor of venus, Mer and sun in exchange involving 2H, 3H> > and> > > > 4H. In> > > > > > navamsha, mars is with venus in 3H in libra. This explains the> > fine> > > > > > abilities in painting.> > > > > >> > > > > > But more than painting, Tagore is famous for his writing and> > > > literary> > > > > > skills. He got the Noble prize also for Literature. Mars in> > natural> > > > 3H in> > > > > > Gemini and 4H in natal chart would give him the kind of> writings> > he> > > > is> > > > > > famous for. With ketu along with fineness, literary skills,> and> > > > language> > > > > > skills.> > > > > >> > > > > > Mars in 4H forms a stronger rajyoga which should be taken for> > > > defining the> > > > > > purpose of his life and for fine-tuning that purpose the yoga> > gets> > > > confirmed> > > > > > and strengthened in navamsh when mars aspects 9H with venus.> > > > Classics always> > > > > > say that Rajyoga is association of trinal and Kendra houses> and> > > > lords. In 3H> > > > > > there is no rajyoga, even if mars aspects own house. Mars in> 4H> > also> > > > forms> > > > > > another rajyoga in parivartan with 4L and 7L mercury.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regarding the 6/8 relationship with 9H, we cannot say it will> be> > > > doomed> > > > > > across board. There will obviously be some deficiency> regarding> > 9H,> > > > but it> > > > > > also gives the depth of thinking, spirituality,> > research-mindedness.> > > > His> > > > > > father was a Brahmosamaj worker associated with religion and> > > > spirituality.> > > > > > In CHA, when mars goes to 3H, it is in 7H Taurus and venus is> 7L> > and> > > > 12L in> > > > > > 6H from 9H.> > > > > >> > > > > > Mass appeal and public adulation is in the domain of 4H. Nodes> > > > become> > > > > > yogkaraks if associated with trinal lord in Kendra or trine.> > This is> > > > well> > > > > > known dictum.> > > > > >> > > > > > We cannot wish away any placement like that, unless and until> we> > > > find solid> > > > > > grounds. I have uploaded the file in files section and please> > check> > > > the> > > > > > navamsh given by CPA in this case.> > > > > >> > > > > > I would've answered all the questions raised by you, but> > one-sided> > > > approach> > > > > > is useless ending up with naming and blaming.> > > > > >> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Neelam> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Vande Mataram> > > > Yahaan vahaan saara jahaan dekha liyaahe> > > > Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe> > > > Assi nahi sau din duniya ghumahe> > > > Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.> > Try it now.> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Vande Mataram> > > Yahaan vahaan saara jahaan dekha liyaahe> > > Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe> > > Assi nahi sau din duniya ghumahe> > > Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe> > >> > >> > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile.> Try> > it now.> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Dear Sreenadh, I am disappointed when the learned men show obstinacy and unscientific attitudes. By no amount of discussion we can ever judge between the biases we have. I hope you noted what I wrote on that topic along with published examples. And in all those a Chitrapaksha genius had been using 360 days for his happiness of seeing the astrology working. Astrology is founded on astronomy. Heavens as a circle and not a circle with gap. Time even in ancient motifs is shown as a Serpent eating its tail and so the heavenly circuit has to be complete in any techniques such as timing. Anyone contradicting such basic factors do so on his will and they are repeating the same mistake as some ancient compiler did of sanctifying 360 day count in Jyotisha. In ancient mathematical astromomy. 360 days in fact meant 360 degrees - complete heavenly circuit of sun. Some namesake of Parasara may have added 360 without knowing its rationale to into some astrology manuscript. To give you the right feedback is my duty. Rest is your choice and Bhavani's blessings to make all see and realize the truth. It will only add to the confusion. chandra hari , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Chandrahari ji, > ==> > > I did not show my anger > > even though you talked about 360 days year for dasas which is against > > all astronomical foundations of astrology. > <== > I won't give up the 360 day argument till we toil and reach some > dependable conclusion that truely helps much in chart reading and timing > of events using Vimsottari (whether it is 360 or not). [] More > than the theoretical understanding (I agree that it matters, and forms > the foundation; but also know that - every logic is not yet revealed; > every bit of mathamatical foundation not yet known) and the current > awareness about the mathametical foundation, day to day practical > exprience while chart reading also matters, I believe. If I am unable > to explain and pin point the time spans for the past and future events; > if my derivations are not coming true what use such theory is? If some > thing (even a wrong theory, or even something absurd) helps me to arrive > at correct timing that is better I feel. And that is why I am still at > 360. [] > Note: I will clarify it with some well known example charts and events > in future days - Let us have an argument. [] But not based on theory > but based on charts, and UNCURRECTED TIMES AS GIVEN BY ANY (That is the > practical scenario, the astrologers face). > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " chandra_hari18 " > chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > It is one of my non-virtuous ambition to become diplomatic. As far as > > you are concerned, I know how much you have toiled and what kind of > > hardships you may hav experienced to learn the subject. May be many > > people are on the group for chatting but as I understand you have the > > purpose of serving Jyotisha. To my mind, if I go into silence, then > > that purpose won't be served. And let me tell you and other friends in > > the group, to become a silent spectator is not a difficult task. > > > > No further comments. If someone sincerely wants to learn astrology, > then > > they must be humble and open. If someone is showing closed mind to me > > then I will try to knock open that. I have already pointed out the > > factors that caused my anger. Everyone must introspect and I don't > mind > > getting warned by moderators - it is the group policy and their duty. > > And I think, they are not treating me in the same way as those who are > > intent upon popularity and business. That is the respect that they > give > > me owing to their knowledge of my life and works. > > > > None need to have any heart burn that chandra hari is taking some > extra > > previlege here for any vested interested he has. I am spending my time > > here thinking that my words good or bad may serve someone to > understand > > Jyotihsastra better. > > > > Sreenadh need not fear about giving his response. You too can be angry > > when you feel that my anger is not justified. I did not show my anger > > even though you talked about 360 days year for dasas which is against > > all astronomical foundations of astrology. More than anger it gave me > > disappointment that despite your wide reading and experience, you have > > taken into such conclusion. In fact that is pointer towards the > hardwork > > required in discussing the various dimensions of astrological > > principles. > > > > If we are here to learn with openness and sincereity, little > skirmishes > > won't matter to anyone. To my mind, if I am able to learn a bit then I > > will be grateful to all of you. Now of course, my knowledge of > > psychology is improving and that help me to understand the society > > better. And in turn that may make me cooler in my response. I have > > nothing personal against you people, I have no diplomatic software and > > so I simply respond to the postings even though I prefer silence many > > times... > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Vijay ji, > > > ==> > > > > Your points satisfied me, except that I cant agree over one point, > > > that Chandrahariji was let off without even a warning. I appreciated > > > Sreeramji's warning to him. > > > <== > > > The simple rule openly said for your clarity (it matters!) - To > create > > > a balanced environment the group of moderators should work to create > a > > > balenced environment. Or may be the group of moderators should be > > > balanced. I think it is true for us. [] > > > ==> > > > Infact Chandrahariji's emails (taunting inexperience and his > roughness > > > in messages) are kind of stopping me from discussing points openly > > with > > > him, feeling scared constantly as to when he might pounce on me > saying > > > that I havent devoted my life to jyotishastra hence I might be a > > > psuedo-astrologer. Maybe his second house has mars, hence he might > be > > > harsh-spoken, but I believe since we know our own horoscopes, we can > > > correct our behaviours to some extent. I have started to correct > mine, > > > else what use is astrology for. > > > <== > > > Truely sincere! Beautifully put. [] I believe Chandrahari ji, > > > Vinita ji, Neelam ji and all would be having a heart felt laugh on > > > hearing this sincere expression of heartfelt feeling from you. True > - > > I > > > agree with you. [] And request Chandrahari to notice this, and > make > > > his words bit mild; please don't scare away the sincere and > > > knowledgeable kids and grownups. I believe he is humane enough, > > lovable > > > and caring individual to see this. But yet knows how not to mix true > > > research personal emotions; but truely feelings and relationships > > > matters! [] We are all friends and let us accept each other as > they > > > are - and let us support sincerety and knowledge from where ever it > > > springs. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , Vijayanarasimha H > > Pakka > > > hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Shreenadhji, > > > > > > > > Your points satisfied me, except that I cant agree over one point, > > > that Chandrahariji was let off without even a warning. I appreciated > > > Sreeramji's warning to him. Infact Chandrahariji's emails (taunting > > > inexperience and his roughness in messages) are kind of stopping me > > from > > > discussing points openly with him, feeling scared constantly as to > > when > > > he might pounce on me saying that I havent devoted my life to > > > jyotishastra hence I might be a psuedo-astrologer. Maybe his second > > > house has mars, hence he might be harsh-spoken, but I believe since > we > > > know our own horoscopes, we can correct our behaviours to some > extent. > > I > > > have started to correct mine, else what use is astrology for. > > > > > > > > Politeness (but with criticism) will encourage newcomers to chat > > with > > > Chandrahariji and learn more. Anyway, I am still scared to talk > > anything > > > even related to astrology with him. I hope this group is not like a > > > typical Indian classroom, where constant bullying makes > > backbenchers/shy > > > people like me stop interacting with others for fear of > > > humiliation/abuses/etc. Maybe I am timid because of Venus in Lagna. > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Vijay. > > > > > > > > PS: Thanks for considering me as one among the moderators. > > > > > > > > Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote: > > > > Dear Vijaya Narasimha ji, > > > > The rules are simple and may be the moderators are well aware of > > their > > > rolls as this example amply reveals. Why? Here goes the facts. > > > > * Rishi prasad was noted - Why? Because he was trying to cause a > > > conflict between 2 very respectable members in the group. A real bad > > > trait. > > > > * His mail and reply mail by Chandra hari got approved by some > > > moderator (defenitly not me). Possible reason - may be they felt > that > > > the above trait, deserves a direct annswer without diplomacy. And as > a > > > true researcher who has contributed much to the cause of astrology, > > > Chandrahari has all the quality to give such an aswer. > > > > * Rishi Prasad react violently (poor kid!) by spitting all around. > > > Result - a Crow is identified. A man after money who can neither > > > identify the real contributions nor contribute himself. > > > > Action taken: Rishi got banned from group (May be Contrary or in > > tune > > > with your expectation) > > > > Why no action against Chandrahari? Answer: Sincerity matters, and > > > valued! > > > > May be it is real moderation I believe. > > > > Note: Usually your mail will never get moderated, and we consider > > you > > > as one among the moderators since you are one with potential. For > > > example, by raising the heights of astrological knowledge imparting > > you > > > can quarrel to any extend with Chandrahari (or anyone else in this > > > group) but usually your mails won't get moderated I believe > (certainly > > > not by me); Because you two can contribute to the cause of > astrology; > > we > > > want substance and politics, whether from you, chandrahari, rishi or > > > anyone else - substance is valued, and petty abuses. > > > > Note: Is there any problem with the group moderation? I think it > is > > > becoming better and better! Finding new ways bring out the hidden > > > jackals! > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreeandh > > > > > > > > , Vijayanarasimha H > > > Pakka hpvijaynarasimha@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Haha, so much for moderating the group. I can without doubt say > > > that, when moderators are allowing such personal attacks from either > > > side, then there is no use in them requesting all members to refrain > > > from such attacks. > > > > > > > > > > While Mr. Rishiprasad's email doesnt have verbal abuse but has > > > tactful reply, Mr. Chandrahari's definitely has some direct abuse. > > Let's > > > see how the moderators are going to resolve this. It seems > moderators > > > are going by age and expertise in allowing such abusive emails. And > > the > > > irony is that each moderator repeats everytime that this group > doesnt > > > recognize anyone by their age or expertise. So much for democracy > and > > > hypocracy, LOL. > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > Vijay. > > > > > > > > > > PS: I am expecting this email to be moderated, given that I dont > > > have many years of experience in jyotishatra, ROFL. > > > > > > > > , " Rishi Prasad " > > > rishiprasad@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Chadrahari, > > > > > I also do more than 150 free readings every day off my site. > > Seeing > > > the > > > > > level of frustration you have within you, I would request you to > > log > > > in a > > > > > request for a free reading on my site. Let me help you brother. > > > Living with > > > > > so much anger and hate will not help you generate any sort of > good > > > karma. As > > > > > for my qualifications, well, I don't force anyone to come to me. > > If > > > they do, > > > > > they only do so because they have heard well of me or have > > received > > > great > > > > > benefit from my readings. > > > > > Maybe you are burning with envy because you are unable to earn > in > > a > > > year > > > > > what I probably do in a day. But have no anger brother. I am > ready > > > to help > > > > > you in any manner I can. I can send you client, once of course, > > you > > > have > > > > > proved that you have something besides just anger and rage > within > > > you. > > > > > Such traits will never allow you to read a chart correctly. You > > need > > > to be > > > > > calm. Meditate more. And work to improve your destiny in a > > > collected, > > > > > balanced manner. To cry hysterically like a child does not do a > > > grown up > > > > > proud at all. > > > > > God bless you. My blessings shall always lie with you. > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > chandra_hari18 chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > > Dear Rishi prasad, > > > > > > > > > > What ettiquette are you speaking about? I saw your website and > > found > > > > > that you are charging $550 = Rs 21000/- for a reading. What are > > your > > > > > credentials to charge such huge amount from innocent people? Are > > you > > > > > qualified to offer such high value service? > > > > > > > > > > Don't speak of ettiquette like p*****s speaking of chastity. You > > and > > > > > people like you have to be diplomatic with the whole world to > > > exploit > > > > > them. I don't want to exploit anyone and so I speak in the > > interests > > > of > > > > > Jyotihsastram/ > > > > > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > > > > > , " Rishi Prasad " > > > > > rishiprasad@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaskar, > > > > > > I am very impressed by the mature manner in which Neelam has > > > countered > > > > > > Chandra Haris verbal assault on her. It is refreshing to see > > such > > > an > > > > > > attitude. The astrology we can always debate upon. But > etiquette > > > such > > > > > as > > > > > > this can not be learnt-not this late in life anyway. My kudos > to > > > > > Neelam. > > > > > > Rishi > > > > > > > > > > > > 2008/5/9 neelam gupta neelamgupta07@: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra Hari ji, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You should've been a politician.... eyes to see opposition > > > > > everywhere... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...just want to clarify a few points for the sake of my own > > > > > integrity than > > > > > > > anything else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A biased discussion and ground preparation for that is > > apparent > > > in > > > > > her > > > > > > > words. Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is > > not > > > > > finding any > > > > > > > justification in the events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am not biased (?as yet I have no theory to be biased for) > > and > > > > > there is no > > > > > > > ground preparation. It is just a matter of debate and in the > > > wake of > > > > > an > > > > > > > on-going discussion on use of different ayanamshas. If there > > are > > > no > > > > > counter > > > > > > > arguments or such arguments are called biased and ground > > > preparing > > > > > exercises > > > > > > > (though I don't understand ground preparing for what? I have > > no > > > > > association > > > > > > > what so ever ? with Lahiri, neither am I born in chitra), > how > > > > > will I decide > > > > > > > in favour of one or the other? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Basically the probe started when a found a difference with > > > respect > > > > > to your > > > > > > > statement: > > > > > > > " This is a chart where the Rasi and Navamsa are the same in > > > Raman, > > > > > Lahiri > > > > > > > and the ayanamsa " (ref your document on Tagore) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When I cast the chart, I found Mars in 4H with CPA. Navamsha > > > also > > > > > changed > > > > > > > drastically. And mars comes to libra navamsh with venus (you > > are > > > > > trying to > > > > > > > find venus-mars connection when mars is in 4H). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Either I have got the chart wrong?then the argument can be > on > > > > > grounds as to > > > > > > > 9L mars is giving results of 3H or 4H or both? Which appears > > to > > > be > > > > > the case > > > > > > > as even with CHA, mars goes to 4H in chalit chart. With CPA > > also > > > he > > > > > is sort > > > > > > > of placed in one but a foot in other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whatever strange astrology is given in her posting is not > > > finding > > > > > any > > > > > > > justification in the events.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing is strange if we do not see it with strange eyes?. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Since 9L is the most important planet after LL, being the > > > strongest > > > > > kona > > > > > > > and governing the prarabdh and bhagya, we must be sure about > > its > > > > > placement. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Primary purpose of a soul is governed by the lord of > prarabdh. > > > i.e > > > > > 9L. How > > > > > > > one does that is seen by his placement and associations. > Rashi > > > chart > > > > > will > > > > > > > define the primary purpose and for fine tuning we move to > > > navamsh > > > > > and > > > > > > > vargas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars, the 9L and 2L in 4H has given him the ability to raise > > > both > > > > > manpower > > > > > > > and funds to build institutions and association of karmic > > nodes > > > help > > > > > him > > > > > > > achieve that. Regarding the writing and painting abilities, > > mars > > > is > > > > > the > > > > > > > dispositor of venus, Mer and sun in exchange involving 2H, > 3H > > > and > > > > > 4H. In > > > > > > > navamsha, mars is with venus in 3H in libra. This explains > the > > > fine > > > > > > > abilities in painting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But more than painting, Tagore is famous for his writing and > > > > > literary > > > > > > > skills. He got the Noble prize also for Literature. Mars in > > > natural > > > > > 3H in > > > > > > > Gemini and 4H in natal chart would give him the kind of > > writings > > > he > > > > > is > > > > > > > famous for. With ketu along with fineness, literary skills, > > and > > > > > language > > > > > > > skills. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mars in 4H forms a stronger rajyoga which should be taken > for > > > > > defining the > > > > > > > purpose of his life and for fine-tuning that purpose the > yoga > > > gets > > > > > confirmed > > > > > > > and strengthened in navamsh when mars aspects 9H with venus. > > > > > Classics always > > > > > > > say that Rajyoga is association of trinal and Kendra houses > > and > > > > > lords. In 3H > > > > > > > there is no rajyoga, even if mars aspects own house. Mars in > > 4H > > > also > > > > > forms > > > > > > > another rajyoga in parivartan with 4L and 7L mercury. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding the 6/8 relationship with 9H, we cannot say it > will > > be > > > > > doomed > > > > > > > across board. There will obviously be some deficiency > > regarding > > > 9H, > > > > > but it > > > > > > > also gives the depth of thinking, spirituality, > > > research-mindedness. > > > > > His > > > > > > > father was a Brahmosamaj worker associated with religion and > > > > > spirituality. > > > > > > > In CHA, when mars goes to 3H, it is in 7H Taurus and venus > is > > 7L > > > and > > > > > 12L in > > > > > > > 6H from 9H. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mass appeal and public adulation is in the domain of 4H. > Nodes > > > > > become > > > > > > > yogkaraks if associated with trinal lord in Kendra or trine. > > > This is > > > > > well > > > > > > > known dictum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We cannot wish away any placement like that, unless and > until > > we > > > > > find solid > > > > > > > grounds. I have uploaded the file in files section and > please > > > check > > > > > the > > > > > > > navamsh given by CPA in this case. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I would've answered all the questions raised by you, but > > > one-sided > > > > > approach > > > > > > > is useless ending up with naming and blaming. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vande Mataram > > > > > Yahaan vahaan saara jahaan dekha liyaahe > > > > > Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe > > > > > Assi nahi sau din duniya ghumahe > > > > > Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. > > > Try it now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Vande Mataram > > > > Yahaan vahaan saara jahaan dekha liyaahe > > > > Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe > > > > Assi nahi sau din duniya ghumahe > > > > Nehi kahi Tere jaisa koyi nahihe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. > > Try > > > it now. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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