Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Dear Chandra ji I was silent on Ayanamsha issue, all these days ,as i was not very sure on what to write. If you remember,there were discussions in the past,on the work done by you and your Moola/Mooladhara understandings,where i was extensively involved in . Later on i had some feeling which,prevented me from using C.Hari Ayanamsha fully.There were also some nimittas.I was mostly experimenting with Lahiri + 360 Savana days combination.You would also recollect the private discussions we had regarding 360 Savana days.I got satisfactory results, but there were uncertain events as well. However after looking at the current quiz event list, i was forced to take a relook.It was really frustrating and painful for me on which one to choose? Lahiri + 360 degree?, Lahiri + Savana, C.Hari + Savana?,C.Hari plus 360 degree ? ..It is tough for any Jyotish student. Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with C.Hari + Savana or not. To go ahead with the experimentation is my feeling. Savana year has a role is my view.Shri Narasimha Rao, including C.Hari ayanamsha as a part of his software,with 7.2 is a nimitta,during this transit period of guru in dhanu.I am using 7.2 now.If your studies are sincere you are definitely going to succeed and no one can stop you. I am no man to advise you as your knbowlege is far from what i can imagine. I would humbly request you to accomodate different views. My personal view and request to fellow members is to experiment C.Hari + Savana. Respect Pradeep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 11, 2008 Report Share Posted May 11, 2008 Dear Pradeep, I can't say anything unless you people provide me the data concerned. I am mailing you a Malayalam write up on the same in which I have discussed the issue of someone using 360 days. We must be able to understand rare cases, exceptional cases etc where in some lack of clarity may be coming. In many cases the confusion is from Varga and change possible due to little error in time. I am open to discussions if you people can provide me examples with appropriate discussion on the 12 Vargas (harmonics) correponding to 12 houses. If Swara of the Daivajna is indicator of auspiciousness and inauspiciousness, if Swara has anything to do with Jyotisham, then the solar year of 360 degree sun has to be used. This is the very foundation of Jyotisha as I understand it. Don't be misled by one or two events in our personal life - I am telling this because I have faced such biases possible. But by the grace of Bhavani I could come out of such illusions very fast. Unless you keep a fixed mathematical frame and methods, you may not be able to understand the Vargas and Rasi-Varga interpretation intricacies. The moment you change over to Savana, you will start looking at Vargas and their role differently. We will start developing logics for mistaken dasa-bhuktis-chidras. This is what one must avoid as is happening with different ayanamsas. I have given you people so many examples but none has come foreward to give me a single example with full discussion. So I am unable to understand the way you or Sreenadh is looking at the Rasi-Varga positions. chandra hari , " vijayadas_pradeep " <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > Dear Chandra ji > > I was silent on Ayanamsha issue, all these days ,as i was not very > sure on what to write. > > If you remember,there were discussions in the past,on the work done > by you and your Moola/Mooladhara understandings,where i was > extensively involved in . > > Later on i had some feeling which,prevented me from using C.Hari > Ayanamsha fully.There were also some nimittas.I was mostly > experimenting with Lahiri + 360 Savana days combination.You would > also recollect the private discussions we had regarding 360 Savana > days.I got satisfactory results, but there were uncertain events as > well. > > However after looking at the current quiz event list, i was forced to > take a relook.It was really frustrating and painful for me on which > one to choose? Lahiri + 360 degree?, Lahiri + Savana, C.Hari + > Savana?,C.Hari plus 360 degree ? ..It is tough for any Jyotish > student. > Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with C.Hari + > Savana or not. To go ahead with the experimentation is my feeling. > > Savana year has a role is my view.Shri Narasimha Rao, including > C.Hari ayanamsha as a part of his software,with 7.2 is a > nimitta,during this transit period of guru in dhanu.I am using 7.2 > now.If your studies are sincere you are definitely going to succeed > and no one can stop you. > > I am no man to advise you as your knbowlege is far from what i can > imagine. I would humbly request you to accomodate different views. > > My personal view and request to fellow members is to experiment > C.Hari + Savana. > > Respect > Pradeep > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Dear Pradeep ji, I faced the same situation as you have sincerely mentioned - and is trying to look at it in a more detailed way. But my primary observation was - * Lahari + 360 days Savana year OR Lahari + 365.2425 days was the one that works for this chart. Why not Chandrahari Ayanamsa, when we know for sure that it is the true Ayanamsa - and whether to choose 360 day Savana year or 365.2425 days year? As per my belief - * Possibly the problem lies with the error in the BT provided. May be the give BT is NOT currect and needs currection. ==>> However after looking at the current quiz event list, i was forced to > take a relook.It was really frustrating and painful for me on which > one to choose? Lahiri + 360 degree?, Lahiri + Savana, C.Hari + > Savana?,C.Hari plus 360 degree ? ..It is tough for any Jyotish > student.> Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with C.Hari + > Savana or not. To go ahead with the experimentation is my feeling.> Savana year has a role is my view.<== I agree to it completly. I trust Chandrahari's arguments, but still there is some missing info which is playing hide and seek with us all; something possibly that could be related to BT rectification.Love and regards,Sreenadh , "vijayadas_pradeep" <vijayadas_pradeep wrote:>> Dear Chandra ji> > I was silent on Ayanamsha issue, all these days ,as i was not very > sure on what to write.> > If you remember,there were discussions in the past,on the work done > by you and your Moola/Mooladhara understandings,where i was > extensively involved in .> > Later on i had some feeling which,prevented me from using C.Hari > Ayanamsha fully.There were also some nimittas.I was mostly > experimenting with Lahiri + 360 Savana days combination.You would > also recollect the private discussions we had regarding 360 Savana > days.I got satisfactory results, but there were uncertain events as > well.> > However after looking at the current quiz event list, i was forced to > take a relook.It was really frustrating and painful for me on which > one to choose? Lahiri + 360 degree?, Lahiri + Savana, C.Hari + > Savana?,C.Hari plus 360 degree ? ..It is tough for any Jyotish > student.> Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with C.Hari + > Savana or not. To go ahead with the experimentation is my feeling.> > Savana year has a role is my view.Shri Narasimha Rao, including > C.Hari ayanamsha as a part of his software,with 7.2 is a > nimitta,during this transit period of guru in dhanu.I am using 7.2 > now.If your studies are sincere you are definitely going to succeed > and no one can stop you.> > I am no man to advise you as your knbowlege is far from what i can > imagine. I would humbly request you to accomodate different views.> > My personal view and request to fellow members is to experiment > C.Hari + Savana.> > Respect > Pradeep> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Dear Sreenadh, No kudos for Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with C.Hari +Savana or not this wisdom. Prasna cannot be used to understand the Sastra. Had that been the case, no painstaking studies were required. All binary questions (Y/N) of the world could be answered by Prasna. We can device some Prasna to fix the planet positions too, not only solar year. Someone could have taken to prasna to see whether Lagna is Vrschika or Dhanus. When a birth time is given such a Prasna has no locus standii. In the same way where well laid precepts are there, no use of Prasna can be admitted. Such approaches shall misguide students - many may be inspired to have Prasna to replace study and contemplation. In fact resorting to Prasna speaks of the lack of study and contemplation. Truth of the Jyotisha precepts can be known only through study and contemplation or thru nirvikalpa wisdom. I am not going into more details - I hope you and Pradeep will understand that Prasna needs to be replaced by study and contemplation. chandra hari , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Pradeep ji,> I faced the same situation as you have sincerely mentioned - and is> trying to look at it in a more detailed way. But my primary> observation was -> * Lahari + 360 days Savana year OR Lahari + 365.2425 days was the one> that works for this chart.> Why not Chandrahari Ayanamsa, when we know for sure that it is the true> Ayanamsa - and whether to choose 360 day Savana year or 365.2425 days> year? As per my belief -> * Possibly the problem lies with the error in the BT provided. May be> the give BT is NOT currect and needs currection.> ==>> > However after looking at the current quiz event list, i was forced to> > take a relook.It was really frustrating and painful for me on which> > one to choose? Lahiri + 360 degree?, Lahiri + Savana, C.Hari +> > Savana?,C.Hari plus 360 degree ? ..It is tough for any Jyotish> > student.> > Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with C.Hari +> > Savana or not. To go ahead with the experimentation is my feeling.> > Savana year has a role is my view.> <==> I agree to it completly. I trust Chandrahari's arguments, but still> there is some missing info which is playing hide and seek with us all;> something possibly that could be related to BT rectification.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "vijayadas_pradeep"> vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:> >> > Dear Chandra ji> >> > I was silent on Ayanamsha issue, all these days ,as i was not very> > sure on what to write.> >> > If you remember,there were discussions in the past,on the work done> > by you and your Moola/Mooladhara understandings,where i was> > extensively involved in .> >> > Later on i had some feeling which,prevented me from using C.Hari> > Ayanamsha fully.There were also some nimittas.I was mostly> > experimenting with Lahiri + 360 Savana days combination.You would> > also recollect the private discussions we had regarding 360 Savana> > days.I got satisfactory results, but there were uncertain events as> > well.> >> > However after looking at the current quiz event list, i was forced to> > take a relook.It was really frustrating and painful for me on which> > one to choose? Lahiri + 360 degree?, Lahiri + Savana, C.Hari +> > Savana?,C.Hari plus 360 degree ? ..It is tough for any Jyotish> > student.> > Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with C.Hari +> > Savana or not. To go ahead with the experimentation is my feeling.> >> > Savana year has a role is my view.Shri Narasimha Rao, including> > C.Hari ayanamsha as a part of his software,with 7.2 is a> > nimitta,during this transit period of guru in dhanu.I am using 7.2> > now.If your studies are sincere you are definitely going to succeed> > and no one can stop you.> >> > I am no man to advise you as your knbowlege is far from what i can> > imagine. I would humbly request you to accomodate different views.> >> > My personal view and request to fellow members is to experiment> > C.Hari + Savana.> >> > Respect> > Pradeep> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Dear Hari ji, My support is not about Prashna etc, but regarding the selection of Year Length and (even though not for me) Ayanamsa. I am yet to get convinced regarding the selection of some perticular year length, regarding practical charts in the absence of some well dependable BT Rectification/verification methods. What we need is some method to ensure that the given BT is correct by providing us with some solid info such as - * Name or starting letters of the name of the native or parents. * Nakshatra or Lagna of the native's parents or something like that. Such an info helps us much in ensuring that the given BT is correct/apt to the maximum. This will make the selection of Ayanamsa or Year Length an absolute choice in the practical scenario. Hope that we may encounter/derive some such dependable method in near future. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "chandra_hari18" <chandra_hari18 wrote:>> > Dear Sreenadh,> > No kudos for Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with> C.Hari +> Savana or not this wisdom.> > Prasna cannot be used to understand the Sastra. Had that been the case,> no painstaking studies were required. All binary questions (Y/N) of the> world could be answered by Prasna. We can device some Prasna to fix the> planet positions too, not only solar year. Someone could have taken to> prasna to see whether Lagna is Vrschika or Dhanus. When a birth time is> given such a Prasna has no locus standii. In the same way where well> laid precepts are there, no use of Prasna can be admitted. Such> approaches shall misguide students - many may be inspired to have Prasna> to replace study and contemplation.> > In fact resorting to Prasna speaks of the lack of study and> contemplation. Truth of the Jyotisha precepts can be known only through> study and contemplation or thru nirvikalpa wisdom. I am not going into> more details - I hope you and Pradeep will understand that Prasna needs> to be replaced by study and contemplation.> > chandra hari> > > > > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> >> > Dear Pradeep ji,> > I faced the same situation as you have sincerely mentioned - and is> > trying to look at it in a more detailed way. But my primary> > observation was -> > * Lahari + 360 days Savana year OR Lahari + 365.2425 days was the one> > that works for this chart.> > Why not Chandrahari Ayanamsa, when we know for sure that it is the> true> > Ayanamsa - and whether to choose 360 day Savana year or 365.2425 days> > year? As per my belief -> > * Possibly the problem lies with the error in the BT provided. May be> > the give BT is NOT currect and needs currection.> > ==>> > > However after looking at the current quiz event list, i was forced> to> > > take a relook.It was really frustrating and painful for me on which> > > one to choose? Lahiri + 360 degree?, Lahiri + Savana, C.Hari +> > > Savana?,C.Hari plus 360 degree ? ..It is tough for any Jyotish> > > student.> > > Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with C.Hari +> > > Savana or not. To go ahead with the experimentation is my feeling.> > > Savana year has a role is my view.> > <==> > I agree to it completly. I trust Chandrahari's arguments, but still> > there is some missing info which is playing hide and seek with us all;> > something possibly that could be related to BT rectification.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> >> > , "vijayadas_pradeep"> > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Chandra ji> > >> > > I was silent on Ayanamsha issue, all these days ,as i was not very> > > sure on what to write.> > >> > > If you remember,there were discussions in the past,on the work done> > > by you and your Moola/Mooladhara understandings,where i was> > > extensively involved in .> > >> > > Later on i had some feeling which,prevented me from using C.Hari> > > Ayanamsha fully.There were also some nimittas.I was mostly> > > experimenting with Lahiri + 360 Savana days combination.You would> > > also recollect the private discussions we had regarding 360 Savana> > > days.I got satisfactory results, but there were uncertain events as> > > well.> > >> > > However after looking at the current quiz event list, i was forced> to> > > take a relook.It was really frustrating and painful for me on which> > > one to choose? Lahiri + 360 degree?, Lahiri + Savana, C.Hari +> > > Savana?,C.Hari plus 360 degree ? ..It is tough for any Jyotish> > > student.> > > Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with C.Hari +> > > Savana or not. To go ahead with the experimentation is my feeling.> > >> > > Savana year has a role is my view.Shri Narasimha Rao, including> > > C.Hari ayanamsha as a part of his software,with 7.2 is a> > > nimitta,during this transit period of guru in dhanu.I am using 7.2> > > now.If your studies are sincere you are definitely going to succeed> > > and no one can stop you.> > >> > > I am no man to advise you as your knbowlege is far from what i can> > > imagine. I would humbly request you to accomodate different views.> > >> > > My personal view and request to fellow members is to experiment> > > C.Hari + Savana.> > >> > > Respect> > > Pradeep> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2008 Report Share Posted May 12, 2008 Dear Sreenadh, Unless we go into Varga based verification of birth time, we will never be able to appreciate the planetary roles at the bhukti_Chidram level. I will try to pass on an example, chart of Margaret Thatcher. You are correct and I agree 100% the issue of birth time rectification. That is the scientific view. Taking an year of 360 days is not scientific as it violates the very concept of " Bha-ganas " of planets which is fundamental to Jyotisha. chandra hari , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Dear Hari ji, > My support is not about Prashna etc, but regarding the selection of > Year Length and (even though not for me) Ayanamsa. I am yet to get > convinced regarding the selection of some perticular year length, > regarding practical charts in the absence of some well dependable BT > Rectification/verification methods. What we need is some method to > ensure that the given BT is correct by providing us with some solid info > such as - > * Name or starting letters of the name of the native or parents. > * Nakshatra or Lagna of the native's parents > or something like that. Such an info helps us much in ensuring that the > given BT is correct/apt to the maximum. This will make the selection of > Ayanamsa or Year Length an absolute choice in the practical scenario. > Hope that we may encounter/derive some such dependable method in near > future. > Love and regards, > Sreenadh > > , " chandra_hari18 " > chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > No kudos for Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with > > C.Hari + > > Savana or not this wisdom. > > > > Prasna cannot be used to understand the Sastra. Had that been the > case, > > no painstaking studies were required. All binary questions (Y/N) of > the > > world could be answered by Prasna. We can device some Prasna to fix > the > > planet positions too, not only solar year. Someone could have taken to > > prasna to see whether Lagna is Vrschika or Dhanus. When a birth time > is > > given such a Prasna has no locus standii. In the same way where well > > laid precepts are there, no use of Prasna can be admitted. Such > > approaches shall misguide students - many may be inspired to have > Prasna > > to replace study and contemplation. > > > > In fact resorting to Prasna speaks of the lack of study and > > contemplation. Truth of the Jyotisha precepts can be known only > through > > study and contemplation or thru nirvikalpa wisdom. I am not going into > > more details - I hope you and Pradeep will understand that Prasna > needs > > to be replaced by study and contemplation. > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > > sreesog@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > I faced the same situation as you have sincerely mentioned - and is > > > trying to look at it in a more detailed way. But my primary > > > observation was - > > > * Lahari + 360 days Savana year OR Lahari + 365.2425 days was the > one > > > that works for this chart. > > > Why not Chandrahari Ayanamsa, when we know for sure that it is the > > true > > > Ayanamsa - and whether to choose 360 day Savana year or 365.2425 > days > > > year? As per my belief - > > > * Possibly the problem lies with the error in the BT provided. May > be > > > the give BT is NOT currect and needs currection. > > > ==> > > > > However after looking at the current quiz event list, i was forced > > to > > > > take a relook.It was really frustrating and painful for me on > which > > > > one to choose? Lahiri + 360 degree?, Lahiri + Savana, C.Hari + > > > > Savana?,C.Hari plus 360 degree ? ..It is tough for any Jyotish > > > > student. > > > > Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with C.Hari + > > > > Savana or not. To go ahead with the experimentation is my feeling. > > > > Savana year has a role is my view. > > > <== > > > I agree to it completly. I trust Chandrahari's arguments, but still > > > there is some missing info which is playing hide and seek with us > all; > > > something possibly that could be related to BT rectification. > > > Love and regards, > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote: > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra ji > > > > > > > > I was silent on Ayanamsha issue, all these days ,as i was not very > > > > sure on what to write. > > > > > > > > If you remember,there were discussions in the past,on the work > done > > > > by you and your Moola/Mooladhara understandings,where i was > > > > extensively involved in . > > > > > > > > Later on i had some feeling which,prevented me from using C.Hari > > > > Ayanamsha fully.There were also some nimittas.I was mostly > > > > experimenting with Lahiri + 360 Savana days combination.You would > > > > also recollect the private discussions we had regarding 360 Savana > > > > days.I got satisfactory results, but there were uncertain events > as > > > > well. > > > > > > > > However after looking at the current quiz event list, i was forced > > to > > > > take a relook.It was really frustrating and painful for me on > which > > > > one to choose? Lahiri + 360 degree?, Lahiri + Savana, C.Hari + > > > > Savana?,C.Hari plus 360 degree ? ..It is tough for any Jyotish > > > > student. > > > > Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with C.Hari + > > > > Savana or not. To go ahead with the experimentation is my feeling. > > > > > > > > Savana year has a role is my view.Shri Narasimha Rao, including > > > > C.Hari ayanamsha as a part of his software,with 7.2 is a > > > > nimitta,during this transit period of guru in dhanu.I am using 7.2 > > > > now.If your studies are sincere you are definitely going to > succeed > > > > and no one can stop you. > > > > > > > > I am no man to advise you as your knbowlege is far from what i can > > > > imagine. I would humbly request you to accomodate different views. > > > > > > > > My personal view and request to fellow members is to experiment > > > > C.Hari + Savana. > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Dear Chandrahari ji,==>> Taking an year of 360 days is not scientific as it> violates the very concept of "Bha-ganas" of planets which is fundamental> to Jyotisha.<== Logically I agree to your argument - but what worries me is the practical scenarios; just like the one we encountered in the case of chart provided by Neelam ji.Love and regards,Sreenadh--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2008 Report Share Posted May 13, 2008 Dear Chandra ji and Sreenadh ji Thank you for the comments.I would have loved to dedicate more time for discussions,but i really suspect whether 2008 is having 24 hours in a day:-) Sreenadh ji Yes,i was talking in general,regarding relook after the quiz.It doesn't mean i was totally satisfied with a specific combination.When i check numerous charts(personally known charts with known events - friends/families) certain events fall clearly with Lahiri + 360 while certain others are perfect with C.Hari/360. Chandra ji I do agree with you.Prashna is not an answer for all.I did not mean that i wanted to reach a conclusion through prashna.When multiple combinations are possible,it is not possible to shoot in all directions.Thus i needed higher help for shortlisting ,from/among different combinations.Now to reach a conclusion, i have to continue with my studies.If you have undersdtood me,then you can trust that,i will definitely,test well before acceptance.I fully respect your work. In the quiz example,you may take a relook at still birth timing.When is Saturn/Mars falling. Similarly there are some time tested principles regarding Ra/Su which is not working with Lahiri plus 360 degree in known charts.C.Hari ayanamsha + 360 savana,is either coinciding with Ra/Su or missing by a couple of weeks. Thus i feel C.Hari /360 savana is close ,if applied with a small correction.Lahiri/360 degree and C.Hari/360 degrees are not in line with time proven results,as per my understanding.My sample size may not be sufficient,but the charts are known as compared to celebrities. Thus i need to experiment a lot. Respect Pradeep , " chandra_hari18 " <chandra_hari18 wrote: > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > No kudos for Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with > C.Hari + > Savana or not this wisdom. > > Prasna cannot be used to understand the Sastra. Had that been the case, > no painstaking studies were required. All binary questions (Y/N) of the > world could be answered by Prasna. We can device some Prasna to fix the > planet positions too, not only solar year. Someone could have taken to > prasna to see whether Lagna is Vrschika or Dhanus. When a birth time is > given such a Prasna has no locus standii. In the same way where well > laid precepts are there, no use of Prasna can be admitted. Such > approaches shall misguide students - many may be inspired to have Prasna > to replace study and contemplation. > > In fact resorting to Prasna speaks of the lack of study and > contemplation. Truth of the Jyotisha precepts can be known only through > study and contemplation or thru nirvikalpa wisdom. I am not going into > more details - I hope you and Pradeep will understand that Prasna needs > to be replaced by study and contemplation. > > chandra hari > > > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > I faced the same situation as you have sincerely mentioned - and is > > trying to look at it in a more detailed way. But my primary > > observation was - > > * Lahari + 360 days Savana year OR Lahari + 365.2425 days was the one > > that works for this chart. > > Why not Chandrahari Ayanamsa, when we know for sure that it is the > true > > Ayanamsa - and whether to choose 360 day Savana year or 365.2425 days > > year? As per my belief - > > * Possibly the problem lies with the error in the BT provided. May be > > the give BT is NOT currect and needs currection. > > ==> > > > However after looking at the current quiz event list, i was forced > to > > > take a relook.It was really frustrating and painful for me on which > > > one to choose? Lahiri + 360 degree?, Lahiri + Savana, C.Hari + > > > Savana?,C.Hari plus 360 degree ? ..It is tough for any Jyotish > > > student. > > > Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with C.Hari + > > > Savana or not. To go ahead with the experimentation is my feeling. > > > Savana year has a role is my view. > > <== > > I agree to it completly. I trust Chandrahari's arguments, but still > > there is some missing info which is playing hide and seek with us all; > > something possibly that could be related to BT rectification. > > Love and regards, > > Sreenadh > > > > --- In , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote: > > > > > > Dear Chandra ji > > > > > > I was silent on Ayanamsha issue, all these days ,as i was not very > > > sure on what to write. > > > > > > If you remember,there were discussions in the past,on the work done > > > by you and your Moola/Mooladhara understandings,where i was > > > extensively involved in . > > > > > > Later on i had some feeling which,prevented me from using C.Hari > > > Ayanamsha fully.There were also some nimittas.I was mostly > > > experimenting with Lahiri + 360 Savana days combination.You would > > > also recollect the private discussions we had regarding 360 Savana > > > days.I got satisfactory results, but there were uncertain events as > > > well. > > > > > > However after looking at the current quiz event list, i was forced > to > > > take a relook.It was really frustrating and painful for me on which > > > one to choose? Lahiri + 360 degree?, Lahiri + Savana, C.Hari + > > > Savana?,C.Hari plus 360 degree ? ..It is tough for any Jyotish > > > student. > > > Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with C.Hari + > > > Savana or not. To go ahead with the experimentation is my feeling. > > > > > > Savana year has a role is my view.Shri Narasimha Rao, including > > > C.Hari ayanamsha as a part of his software,with 7.2 is a > > > nimitta,during this transit period of guru in dhanu.I am using 7.2 > > > now.If your studies are sincere you are definitely going to succeed > > > and no one can stop you. > > > > > > I am no man to advise you as your knbowlege is far from what i can > > > imagine. I would humbly request you to accomodate different views. > > > > > > My personal view and request to fellow members is to experiment > > > C.Hari + Savana. > > > > > > Respect > > > Pradeep > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Namaste, I would like for learned members to also consider following two points 1. When softwre is calculating the position of moon, is it using topocentric position ( As seen from the surfce of earth) or is it taking the geo centric ( from the center of the earth) position? That will make a difference in starting point of dasha at birth. I beleive some softwares like Parashar light has an option. Not sure whether JH Hora has that option or what is the default. 2. There is dialogue between Bhishma Pitamaha and Duryodhan in Mahabharat regarding whether 13 years of exile is over or not. According to Duryodhan it is not, according to bhishma it is. Now how was the year measured at that time? Is this a issue of 365 Vs 360 days or has it more to do with Adhika Masa? Thanks .... On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 4:35 PM, vijayadas_pradeep <vijayadas_pradeep wrote: Dear Chandra ji and Sreenadh jiThank you for the comments.I would have loved to dedicate more time for discussions,but i really suspect whether 2008 is having 24 hours in a day:-)Sreenadh ji Yes,i was talking in general,regarding relook after the quiz.It doesn't mean i was totally satisfied with a specific combination.When i check numerous charts(personally known charts with known events -friends/families) certain events fall clearly with Lahiri + 360 while certain others are perfect with C.Hari/360.Chandra jiI do agree with you.Prashna is not an answer for all.I did not mean that i wanted to reach a conclusion through prashna.When multiple combinations are possible,it is not possible to shoot in all directions.Thus i needed higher help for shortlisting ,from/among different combinations.Now to reach a conclusion, i have to continue with my studies.If you have undersdtood me,then you can trust that,i will definitely,test well before acceptance.I fully respect your work. In the quiz example,you may take a relook at still birth timing.When is Saturn/Mars falling.Similarly there are some time tested principles regarding Ra/Su which is not working with Lahiri plus 360 degree in known charts.C.Hari ayanamsha + 360 savana,is either coinciding with Ra/Su or missing by a couple of weeks.Thus i feel C.Hari /360 savana is close ,if applied with a small correction.Lahiri/360 degree and C.Hari/360 degrees are not in line with time proven results,as per my understanding.My sample size may not be sufficient,but the charts are known as compared to celebrities. Thus i need to experiment a lot.RespectPradeep , " chandra_hari18 " <chandra_hari18 wrote: >> > Dear Sreenadh,> > No kudos for Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with> C.Hari +> Savana or not this wisdom.> > Prasna cannot be used to understand the Sastra. Had that been the case,> no painstaking studies were required. All binary questions (Y/N) of the> world could be answered by Prasna. We can device some Prasna to fix the> planet positions too, not only solar year. Someone could have taken to> prasna to see whether Lagna is Vrschika or Dhanus. When a birth time is> given such a Prasna has no locus standii. In the same way where well> laid precepts are there, no use of Prasna can be admitted. Such > approaches shall misguide students - many may be inspired to have Prasna> to replace study and contemplation.> > In fact resorting to Prasna speaks of the lack of study and> contemplation. Truth of the Jyotisha precepts can be known only through> study and contemplation or thru nirvikalpa wisdom. I am not going into> more details - I hope you and Pradeep will understand that Prasna needs> to be replaced by study and contemplation. > > chandra hari> > > > > , " Sreenadh " > <sreesog@> wrote:> >> >> > Dear Pradeep ji,> > I faced the same situation as you have sincerely mentioned - and is> > trying to look at it in a more detailed way. But my primary > > observation was -> > * Lahari + 360 days Savana year OR Lahari + 365.2425 days was the one> > that works for this chart.> > Why not Chandrahari Ayanamsa, when we know for sure that it is the > true> > Ayanamsa - and whether to choose 360 day Savana year or 365.2425 days> > year? As per my belief -> > * Possibly the problem lies with the error in the BT provided. May be > > the give BT is NOT currect and needs currection.> > ==>> > > However after looking at the current quiz event list, i was forced> to> > > take a relook.It was really frustrating and painful for me on which> > > one to choose? Lahiri + 360 degree?, Lahiri + Savana, C.Hari +> > > Savana?,C.Hari plus 360 degree ? ..It is tough for any Jyotish> > > student.> > > Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with C.Hari +> > > Savana or not. To go ahead with the experimentation is my feeling.> > > Savana year has a role is my view.> > <==> > I agree to it completly. I trust Chandrahari's arguments, but still> > there is some missing info which is playing hide and seek with us all;> > something possibly that could be related to BT rectification.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh > >> > , " vijayadas_pradeep " > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote: > > >> > > Dear Chandra ji> > >> > > I was silent on Ayanamsha issue, all these days ,as i was not very> > > sure on what to write.> > >> > > If you remember,there were discussions in the past,on the work done> > > by you and your Moola/Mooladhara understandings,where i was> > > extensively involved in .> > >> > > Later on i had some feeling which,prevented me from using C.Hari > > > Ayanamsha fully.There were also some nimittas.I was mostly> > > experimenting with Lahiri + 360 Savana days combination.You would> > > also recollect the private discussions we had regarding 360 Savana> > > days.I got satisfactory results, but there were uncertain events as> > > well.> > >> > > However after looking at the current quiz event list, i was forced> to> > > take a relook.It was really frustrating and painful for me on which> > > one to choose? Lahiri + 360 degree?, Lahiri + Savana, C.Hari +> > > Savana?,C.Hari plus 360 degree ? ..It is tough for any Jyotish > > > student.> > > Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with C.Hari +> > > Savana or not. To go ahead with the experimentation is my feeling.> > > > > > Savana year has a role is my view.Shri Narasimha Rao, including> > > C.Hari ayanamsha as a part of his software,with 7.2 is a> > > nimitta,during this transit period of guru in dhanu.I am using 7.2> > > now.If your studies are sincere you are definitely going to succeed> > > and no one can stop you.> > >> > > I am no man to advise you as your knbowlege is far from what i can> > > imagine. I would humbly request you to accomodate different views.> > >> > > My personal view and request to fellow members is to experiment> > > C.Hari + Savana. > > >> > > Respect> > > Pradeep> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Dear Sir, I would like to answer your queries. 1. J_Hora has the topocentric option 2. In the history of Indian astronomy, topocentric positions were used only for computing eclipses and occultations. 3. Horoscopes were always based on Geocentric ecliptic longitudes 4. 360 versus 365.25 has nothing to do with Adhikamasa. Adhika masa comes when we reconcile the solar and lunar years. 5. Mahabharata dispute may involve adhikamsa - 13 lunar years = 13x12 lunar months may have been over and 13 solar years were yet to be completed in the discussion. What I mean is, this is a scenario where dispute may have arisen. 6. 360 versus 365.25 confusion arose in astrology because some compiler of verses mistook the 360 sauradina (360 solar degrees) of ancient astronomy to be 360 savana dina. 7. With the ayanamsa-Varga disputes in place, people will go on creating logic for switch over between ayanamsa, solar year etc. Basic problem is unfamiliarity with research methodology, lack of strategy to become immune to one's own subjectivity, lack of discipline ( in astrology everyone who has taken Parasara Hora in his hands is a researcher), single case theories and the like. List is endless. chandra hari , Panditji <navagraha wrote: > > Namaste, > > I would like for learned members to also consider following two points > > 1. When softwre is calculating the position of moon, is it using topocentric > position ( As seen from the surfce of earth) or is it taking the geo centric > ( from the center of the earth) position? That will make a difference in > starting point of dasha at birth. I beleive some softwares like Parashar > light has an option. Not sure whether JH Hora has that option or what is the > default. > > 2. There is dialogue between Bhishma Pitamaha and Duryodhan in Mahabharat > regarding whether 13 years of exile is over or not. According to Duryodhan > it is not, according to bhishma it is. Now how was the year measured at that > time? Is this a issue of 365 Vs 360 days or has it more to do with Adhika > Masa? > > Thanks > > ... > > On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 4:35 PM, vijayadas_pradeep < > vijayadas_pradeep wrote: > > > Dear Chandra ji and Sreenadh ji > > > > Thank you for the comments.I would have loved to dedicate more time > > for discussions,but i really suspect whether 2008 is having 24 hours > > in a day:-) > > > > Sreenadh ji > > Yes,i was talking in general,regarding relook after the quiz.It > > doesn't mean i was totally satisfied with a specific combination.When > > i check numerous charts(personally known charts with known events - > > friends/families) certain events fall clearly with Lahiri + 360 while > > certain others are perfect with C.Hari/360. > > > > Chandra ji > > > > I do agree with you.Prashna is not an answer for all.I did not mean > > that i wanted to reach a conclusion through prashna.When multiple > > combinations are possible,it is not possible to shoot in all > > directions.Thus i needed higher help for shortlisting ,from/among > > different combinations.Now to reach a conclusion, i have to continue > > with my studies.If you have undersdtood me,then you can trust that,i > > will definitely,test well before acceptance.I fully respect your work. > > > > In the quiz example,you may take a relook at still birth timing.When > > is Saturn/Mars falling. > > > > Similarly there are some time tested principles regarding Ra/Su which > > is not working with Lahiri plus 360 degree in known charts.C.Hari > > ayanamsha + 360 savana,is either coinciding with Ra/Su or missing by > > a couple of weeks. > > > > Thus i feel C.Hari /360 savana is close ,if applied with a small > > correction.Lahiri/360 degree and C.Hari/360 degrees are not in line > > with time proven results,as per my understanding.My sample size may > > not be sufficient,but the charts are known as compared to > > celebrities. > > > > Thus i need to experiment a lot. > > > > Respect > > Pradeep > > > > --- In <%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > > " chandra_hari18 " > > chandra_hari18@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Sreenadh, > > > > > > No kudos for Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment > > with > > > C.Hari + > > > Savana or not this wisdom. > > > > > > Prasna cannot be used to understand the Sastra. Had that been the > > case, > > > no painstaking studies were required. All binary questions (Y/N) of > > the > > > world could be answered by Prasna. We can device some Prasna to fix > > the > > > planet positions too, not only solar year. Someone could have taken > > to > > > prasna to see whether Lagna is Vrschika or Dhanus. When a birth > > time is > > > given such a Prasna has no locus standii. In the same way where well > > > laid precepts are there, no use of Prasna can be admitted. Such > > > approaches shall misguide students - many may be inspired to have > > Prasna > > > to replace study and contemplation. > > > > > > In fact resorting to Prasna speaks of the lack of study and > > > contemplation. Truth of the Jyotisha precepts can be known only > > through > > > study and contemplation or thru nirvikalpa wisdom. I am not going > > into > > > more details - I hope you and Pradeep will understand that Prasna > > needs > > > to be replaced by study and contemplation. > > > > > > chandra hari > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In <%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > > " Sreenadh " > > > <sreesog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Pradeep ji, > > > > I faced the same situation as you have sincerely mentioned - and > > is > > > > trying to look at it in a more detailed way. But my primary > > > > observation was - > > > > * Lahari + 360 days Savana year OR Lahari + 365.2425 days was the > > one > > > > that works for this chart. > > > > Why not Chandrahari Ayanamsa, when we know for sure that it is the > > > true > > > > Ayanamsa - and whether to choose 360 day Savana year or 365.2425 > > days > > > > year? As per my belief - > > > > * Possibly the problem lies with the error in the BT provided. > > May be > > > > the give BT is NOT currect and needs currection. > > > > ==> > > > > > However after looking at the current quiz event list, i was > > forced > > > to > > > > > take a relook.It was really frustrating and painful for me on > > which > > > > > one to choose? Lahiri + 360 degree?, Lahiri + Savana, C.Hari + > > > > > Savana?,C.Hari plus 360 degree ? ..It is tough for any Jyotish > > > > > student. > > > > > Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with > > C.Hari + > > > > > Savana or not. To go ahead with the experimentation is my > > feeling. > > > > > Savana year has a role is my view. > > > > <== > > > > I agree to it completly. I trust Chandrahari's arguments, but > > still > > > > there is some missing info which is playing hide and seek with us > > all; > > > > something possibly that could be related to BT rectification. > > > > Love and regards, > > > > Sreenadh > > > > > > > > --- In > > <%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > > " vijayadas_pradeep " > > > > vijayadas_pradeep@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Chandra ji > > > > > > > > > > I was silent on Ayanamsha issue, all these days ,as i was not > > very > > > > > sure on what to write. > > > > > > > > > > If you remember,there were discussions in the past,on the work > > done > > > > > by you and your Moola/Mooladhara understandings,where i was > > > > > extensively involved in . > > > > > > > > > > Later on i had some feeling which,prevented me from using C.Hari > > > > > Ayanamsha fully.There were also some nimittas.I was mostly > > > > > experimenting with Lahiri + 360 Savana days combination.You > > would > > > > > also recollect the private discussions we had regarding 360 > > Savana > > > > > days.I got satisfactory results, but there were uncertain > > events as > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > However after looking at the current quiz event list, i was > > forced > > > to > > > > > take a relook.It was really frustrating and painful for me on > > which > > > > > one to choose? Lahiri + 360 degree?, Lahiri + Savana, C.Hari + > > > > > Savana?,C.Hari plus 360 degree ? ..It is tough for any Jyotish > > > > > student. > > > > > Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment with > > C.Hari + > > > > > Savana or not. To go ahead with the experimentation is my > > feeling. > > > > > > > > > > Savana year has a role is my view.Shri Narasimha Rao, including > > > > > C.Hari ayanamsha as a part of his software,with 7.2 is a > > > > > nimitta,during this transit period of guru in dhanu.I am using > > 7.2 > > > > > now.If your studies are sincere you are definitely going to > > succeed > > > > > and no one can stop you. > > > > > > > > > > I am no man to advise you as your knbowlege is far from what i > > can > > > > > imagine. I would humbly request you to accomodate different > > views. > > > > > > > > > > My personal view and request to fellow members is to experiment > > > > > C.Hari + Savana. > > > > > > > > > > Respect > > > > > Pradeep > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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