Ohm Namah Sivaya

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Dear Sunil ji, I forgot to add some other suggested points - * The members who didn't proved their credentials by actively participating in in-depth discussions in this group, and also by participating in blind chart readings etc will not be accepted in the new group. * The people who can not dedicate time for research should better keep away from this new group (since personal relationships WILL NOT BE considered in the group research discussions. * No theory will be accepted without proof, sufficient logical arguments, and documentation. * It won't be a group "just for time pass". * If the group does not serve its purpose (which we will verify for a month or so), it will be deleted and we will come back to this group itself for continuous communication. * Let us discuss these points and some more points suggested by the new group members, accept or discard these and other suggestions accordingly and make it the agenda of the new group. Yap, let us make it an iron fist group - a group for people who are ready to walk on the razor edge research procedure by putting in hard efforts.Love and regards,Sreeandh , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:Dear Sunil ji, A group with the name "Ohm_Namah_Sivaya" is created as suggested by you, for indeapth discussion of the subject. Please note that only limited members will have access to this closed group. The group will have the following hard constraints - * Only people who activly participate in the discussions will be kept in the group. * Only people who have proved their contribution and dedication to astrology would be allowed in the group. * There will not be any message moderation within the group, but still the discussion will be based on rigerous constrainsts and defined bounds/limits and to the point, based solid research info. * Only time tested contributors of astrology from this group are welcome and none else. * Once joined Neelam ji, Sunil ji, Chandr Hari ji and Vijayadas Pradeep ji will act as the moderators for the group. (I assume there permission for the same). Love and regards,Sreenadh> > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> >> >> >> > hare rama krishna> >> > dear sreenadh ji chandra ji and pradeep ji and learned memebrs of grp> .> >> >> >> > i think we shud form some discussion aprt frm normal one only basing> > the ayanamsa and year lenght .Let us see how many memebrs in grp are> > seriously interested to test it with known charts .> >> >> >> > because chart used shud be some very familiar one which can answer any> > kind of questions asked by any memebr .> >> >> >> > as far as yr llenght is concerned i dont know how 360 days match with> > natural rythm of universe .even all our kal ganana was based on 365> days> > solar yr to yuga and manuantharas ,so frm micro and to macro a uniform> > process we r following .And i feel its missing in savana scheme .> >> >> >> > so in astrology how can we follow it this 360 days ,(it is to debated> ,i> > am not imparting anything )and the main problem is missing of 5 days> if> > we take 365 days or 360days think the dasa -bukti will be totaly> diffrnt> > after 50 yrs as it will show 250 + days diffrnce if we r doing wrong> and> > we get wrong dasas and wrong results .when some one is sitting in frnt> > of u there is no problem, astrologer equipped with sadhana can solve> > many riddles,where as these days of net astrology even u dont know who> > is queriest ,in such cases even prashna wont help u as his involvement> > is less .> >> >> >> > so this brahmanda and pindanda corelation is missing with 360 days .> >> >> >> > Also when i talk with many good and big astrologers they r also of the> > opinion that ( those who follow lahiri ) this lahiri is going to be> > obselletted ,again its demand of our times to come out with correct> > ayanamsa .> >> >> >> > hope who ever interested can come forward and form a grp and discuss> > atleast offline and post what ever out come is frm discussions time to> > time in this grp and other grps .> >> >> >> > what is ur suggestions pls let us know ??> >> >> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> >> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> >> >> >> >> > , "Sreenadh"> > sreesog@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Hari ji,> > > My support is not about Prashna etc, but regarding the selection of> > > Year Length and (even though not for me) Ayanamsa. I am yet to get> > > convinced regarding the selection of some perticular year length,> > > regarding practical charts in the absence of some well dependable BT> > > Rectification/verification methods. What we need is some method to> > > ensure that the given BT is correct by providing us with some solid> > info> > > such as -> > > * Name or starting letters of the name of the native or parents.> > > * Nakshatra or Lagna of the native's parents> > > or something like that. Such an info helps us much in ensuring that> > the> > > given BT is correct/apt to the maximum. This will make the selection> > of> > > Ayanamsa or Year Length an absolute choice in the practical> scenario.> > > Hope that we may encounter/derive some such dependable method in> near> > > future.> > > Love and regards,> > > Sreenadh> > >> > > , "chandra_hari18"> > > chandra_hari18@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Sreenadh,> > > >> > > > No kudos for Thus i had to ask a prashna on whether to experiment> > with> > > > C.Hari +> > > > Savana or not this wisdom.> > > >> > > > Prasna cannot be used to understand the Sastra. Had that been the> > > case,> > > > no painstaking studies were required. All binary questions (Y/N)> of> > > the> > > > world could be answered by Prasna. We can device some Prasna to> fix> > > the> > > > planet positions too, not only solar year. Someone could have> taken> > to> > > > prasna to see whether Lagna is Vrschika or Dhanus. When a birth> time> > > is> > > > given such a Prasna has no locus standii. In the same way where> well> > > > laid precepts are there, no use of Prasna can be admitted. Such> > > > approaches shall misguide students - many may be inspired to have> > > Prasna> > > > to replace study and contemplation.> > > >> > > > In fact resorting to Prasna speaks of the lack of study and> > > > contemplation. Truth of the Jyotisha precepts can be known only> > > through> > > > study and contemplation or thru nirvikalpa wisdom. I am not going> > into> > > > more details - I hope you and Pradeep will understand that Prasna> > > needs> > > > to be replaced by study and contemplation.> > > >> > > > chandra hari> >>

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Dear Neelam ji, AIASages group is the moderators group for Ancient Indian Astrology Group. Sunil ji is of the opinion that this will not serve our purpose of - * Inviting more members to the group for discussion who might be in support of or against our (AIA) ideas. * Becoming members of the moderators group may demand something extra (e.g. Sincerity) other than knowledge; where us in the new group can function as a normal group while maintaining rigorous entry and exit criteria WITHOUT personal/emotional attachments. (which may not be possible in AIASages group) * I think, it is a suggestion we can try for a while and then accept or reject based on our future experience; so let us go for it. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > It is a good idea, but why not the already existing AIA Sages group?> > Regards> Neelam>

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OK done, all for sincere learning.RegardsNeelam

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Hare rama krishna

dear sreenadh j i ,

 

Let us see how many ppl r willing to participate and we hav to select only proven ppl as we cant make some time pass grp as suggested by u and i also dont blv in simple numbers .So those who can realy toil and do some contribution can come forward and even memebrs can suggest other memebrs and the memebrship is sunjucted to performance and contribution.

 

so let us see how many ppl r interested

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

, "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> > Dear Sunil ji,> I forgot to add some other suggested points -> * The members who didn't proved their credentials by actively> participating in in-depth discussions in this group, and also by> participating in blind chart readings etc will not be accepted in the> new group.> * The people who can not dedicate time for research should better keep> away from this new group (since personal relationships WILL NOT BE> considered in the group research discussions.> * No theory will be accepted without proof, sufficient logical> arguments, and documentation.> * It won't be a group "just for time pass".> * If the group does not serve its purpose (which we will verify for a> month or so), it will be deleted and we will come back to this group> itself for continuous communication.> * Let us discuss these points and some more points suggested by the> new group members, accept or discard these and other suggestions> accordingly and make it the agenda of the new group.> Yap, let us make it an iron fist group - a group for people who are> ready to walk on the razor edge research procedure by putting in hard> efforts.> Love and regards,> Sreeandh> > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> Dear Sunil ji,> A group with the name "Ohm_Namah_Sivaya" is created as suggested by> you, for indeapth discussion of the subject. Please note that only> limited members will have access to this closed group. The group will> have the following hard constraints -> * Only people who activly participate in the discussions will be kept> in the group.> * Only people who have proved their contribution and dedication to> astrology would be allowed in the group.> * There will not be any message moderation within the group, but still> the discussion will be based on rigerous constrainsts and defined> bounds/limits and to the point, based solid research info.> * Only time tested contributors of astrology from this group are> welcome and none else.> * Once joined Neelam ji, Sunil ji, Chandr Hari ji and Vijayadas> Pradeep ji will act as the moderators for the group. (I assume there> permission for the same).> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > >> > , "sunil nair"> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > hare rama krishna> > >> > > dear sreenadh ji chandra ji and pradeep ji and learned memebrs of> grp> > .> > >> > >> > >> > > i think we shud form some discussion aprt frm normal one only basing> > > the ayanamsa and year lenght .Let us see how many memebrs in grp are> > > seriously interested to test it with known charts .> > >> > >> > >> > > because chart used shud be some very familiar one which can answer> any> > > kind of questions asked by any memebr .> > >> > >> > >> > > as far as yr llenght is concerned i dont know how 360 days match> with> > > natural rythm of universe .even all our kal ganana was based on 365> > days> > > solar yr to yuga and manuantharas ,so frm micro and to macro a> uniform> > > process we r following .And i feel its missing in savana scheme .> > >> > >> > >> > > so in astrology how can we follow it this 360 days ,(it is to> debated> > ,i> > > am not imparting anything )and the main problem is missing of 5 days> > if> > > we take 365 days or 360days think the dasa -bukti will be totaly> > diffrnt> > > after 50 yrs as it will show 250 + days diffrnce if we r doing wrong> > and> > > we get wrong dasas and wrong results .when some one is sitting in> frnt> > > of u there is no problem, astrologer equipped with sadhana can solve> > > many riddles,where as these days of net astrology even u dont know> who> > > is queriest ,in such cases even prashna wont help u as his> involvement> > > is less .> > >> > >> > >> > > so this brahmanda and pindanda corelation is missing with 360 days .> > >> > >> > >> > > Also when i talk with many good and big astrologers they r also of> the> > > opinion that ( those who follow lahiri ) this lahiri is going to be> > > obselletted ,again its demand of our times to come out with correct> > > ayanamsa .> > >> > >> > >> > > hope who ever interested can come forward and form a grp and discuss> > > atleast offline and post what ever out come is frm discussions time> to> > > time in this grp and other grps .> > >> > >> > >> > > what is ur suggestions pls let us know ??> > >> > >> > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > >> > >> > >> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .>

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Dear Sirs/ Learned Gurus,

It is good to know that you are forming an exclusive group of elite astro-pundits for the benefit of astrology.

I would really request this group to dedicate some time on what is appropriately called as mundane astrology. After all, we have witnessed in the last 2 weeks mass deaths in Burma and China due to natural disasters. It is time that astrology guide mankind in those fields that science is still to probe.

 

Thanks & Regards.

 

Chiranjiv Mehta--- On

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Dear Chiranjeev ji,

Thanks for the good suggestion - you are absolutly right.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

<Chiranjeev Mehta wrote.....>

Re: Ohm Namah Sivaya

 

 

Dear Sirs/ Learned Gurus,

 

It is good to know that you are forming an exclusive group of elite

astro-pundits for the benefit of astrology.

 

I would really request this group to dedicate some time on what is

appropriately called as mundane astrology. After all, we have

witnessed in the last 2 weeks mass deaths in Burma and China due to

natural disasters. It is time that astrology guide mankind in those

fields that science is still to probe.

 

 

 

Thanks & Regards.

 

 

 

Chiranjiv Mehta

 

--- On

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Sreenadhji and Nairji,

 

I learnt of formation of new group called 'Om Namah Sivay'. While

this may serve purpose of focussed discussions but it may deprive AIA

its charm, attraction and strength as most of the active member will

be participating in the discussion in 'ONS' and thus their time and

resources will be shared between AIA and ONS. There are many memebers

who do not participate in good discussions which undergo in the

group, but they keep reading and thus get benefitted. Any new member

who joins this group may not have advantage of learning a few good

concepts of astrology as many of good discussions will be going on in

ONS of which they can not become member. The strength of AIA is some

quality discussions which happen in AIA, which may be diluting due to

ONS. Beside in AIA, there is apparently no hinderance for good

discussions eg Ravindranath Tagore ayanamsa, no. of day in year etc.

have been going on well. I Think AIA SHOULD RUN UNDILUTED.

 

Regards,

Anirudh

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Chiranjeev ji,

> Thanks for the good suggestion - you are absolutly right.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> <Chiranjeev Mehta wrote.....>

> Re: Ohm Namah Sivaya

>

>

> Dear Sirs/ Learned Gurus,

>

> It is good to know that you are forming an exclusive group of elite

> astro-pundits for the benefit of astrology.

>

> I would really request this group to dedicate some time on what is

> appropriately called as mundane astrology. After all, we have

> witnessed in the last 2 weeks mass deaths in Burma and China due to

> natural disasters. It is time that astrology guide mankind in those

> fields that science is still to probe.

>

>

>

> Thanks & Regards.

>

>

>

> Chiranjiv Mehta

>

> --- On

>

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Hare rama krishna

dear anirudh ji .

 

Your suggestion are realy worthy and will be seriously looked upon it .

 

ONS has formed only for high quality serious discussions and all kinds of general discussions which amounts to further reserch of rishi horas and dictums should be done AIA .

 

ONS formed because of we need genuine sincere datas and feed backs and most of the members over a period knows each other and already has same wavelenght .Also large number of memebr s may be not serve the purpose of high quality discussions .

 

I hope other cream memebrs also take this as a sincere suggestion and will strt contributing further in this forum and will hav to limit the discussions of ONS to main agenda for what grp is formed ,then only this grp can benefit every one which was the main purpose of this grp .

 

This grp is every one s grp ,so its u ppl who decides the future discussions .

 

thanxs for suggestions

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

, "anirudh_us" <anirudh_us wrote:>> Sreenadhji and Nairji,> > I learnt of formation of new group called 'Om Namah Sivay'. While > this may serve purpose of focussed discussions but it may deprive AIA > its charm, attraction and strength as most of the active member will > be participating in the discussion in 'ONS' and thus their time and > resources will be shared between AIA and ONS. There are many memebers > who do not participate in good discussions which undergo in the > group, but they keep reading and thus get benefitted. Any new member > who joins this group may not have advantage of learning a few good > concepts of astrology as many of good discussions will be going on in > ONS of which they can not become member. The strength of AIA is some > quality discussions which happen in AIA, which may be diluting due to > ONS. Beside in AIA, there is apparently no hinderance for good > discussions eg Ravindranath Tagore ayanamsa, no. of day in year etc. > have been going on well. I Think AIA SHOULD RUN UNDILUTED.> > Regards,> Anirudh> > > , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > Dear Chiranjeev ji,> > Thanks for the good suggestion - you are absolutly right.> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > <Chiranjeev Mehta wrote.....>> > Re: Ohm Namah Sivaya > > > > > > Dear Sirs/ Learned Gurus,> > > > It is good to know that you are forming an exclusive group of elite > > astro-pundits for the benefit of astrology.> > > > I would really request this group to dedicate some time on what is > > appropriately called as mundane astrology. After all, we have > > witnessed in the last 2 weeks mass deaths in Burma and China due to > > natural disasters. It is time that astrology guide mankind in those > > fields that science is still to probe. > > > > > > > > Thanks & Regards.> > > > > > > > Chiranjiv Mehta> > > > --- On> >>