Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear gopu ji I agree with u and i did talked to both parties and they hav come to a consenses . actulay it was a mistake frm hari ji as he thought it for some other person ,intead of a student trying to learn astrology . Any way i am sure madam bhagavathi ji wont take it personaly as her only interest is astrology and she also write to me she dont want to involve in any personal fights or egos . Also pls make a note that sri chandrahari is not a practising astrologer and he is more into theoretical part of astrology and astronomical part which lead to sidhandas . for example even if i am an astrologer i dont know any head and tail abt astronomical mathematical part of astrology ,otherwise varhamihira says astrologer shud be wel versed in calculations on their own . Hope its clear now and no more personal attacks frm any part . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . thanks for ur mail regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah. , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> > dear sunil nairji> sorry for intervening into this heated discussion. I> fully agree with u that Sri Chandra Hari is a great> learned and well informed gentleman in astrology but> it doesnt qualify him to pass sarcastic remarks> against other members if they come out with their> approach in astrology. As Mrs.Bhagawathi has said that> all his education goes waste if he cannot control his> anger or outburst. He will be an authority on the> subject but when it comes to prediction he couldnt> come anywhere near to vijayadas pradeep or madhu nair> while predicting on the blind chart given by Neelamji.> so prediction is an art which has nothing to do with> accumulation of thereotical knowledge. I am sure ur> aware abt Sri Avtar Kishen kaul who is trying his best> to debase astrology, rasis and ayanamsa in Hindu> calendar reform society and his claim that present> panchagam is absurd and he even adds adjectives> against Surya siddhantha,,Varahamihra. Any one who is> refuting his claim he shows similair outburst.> So it is high time Sri Chandra Hari shows restraint in> his language. I declare that i have not even scratched> the periphery of astrology and am nothing compared to> the knowledge of Sri chandra hari.> > good wishes,> k.gopu> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 dear sunilji, thank u very much. my intention wasnt to bring any personal attacks. My interaction with Mrs. Bhagawathi is for the past 18mths approx ie when she became the moderator for the group started by sushil dixit. however the group is inactive. My intention was only for a mutual and peaceful atmosphere in the group. hope I have not hurt any body by my earlier mail. good wishes, k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear gopu ji we know each other for long time,so no ill feeling between us .Ur suggestions are always welcome regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> dear sunilji,> thank u very much. my intention wasnt to bring any> personal attacks. My interaction with Mrs. Bhagawathi> is for the past 18mths approx ie when she became the> moderator for the group started by sushil dixit.> however the group is inactive. My intention was only> for a mutual and peaceful atmosphere in the group.> hope I have not hurt any body by my earlier mail.> > good wishes,> k.gopu> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Dear Gopuji, You have not hurt anybody. I know you also well and Sunilji (Guruji) also. By the way, Shri.Sushil Dixit's classes is no longer inactive. Just take a look in there, you will be surprised to see the new vigor " Sage Parashara " has given to the groups. Shri Chandra Hariji is indeed a respectable and learned man. We are communicating well with each other in private emails. I got to know his immense knowledge through his writings Regards, bhagavathi , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > Hare rama krishna > > dear gopu ji > > > > we know each other for long time,so no ill feeling between us .Ur > suggestions are always welcome > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . > > > > > , K Gopu <kgopu_24@> > wrote: > > > > dear sunilji, > > thank u very much. my intention wasnt to bring any > > personal attacks. My interaction with Mrs. Bhagawathi > > is for the past 18mths approx ie when she became the > > moderator for the group started by sushil dixit. > > however the group is inactive. My intention was only > > for a mutual and peaceful atmosphere in the group. > > hope I have not hurt any body by my earlier mail. > > > > good wishes, > > k.gopu > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Dear Ash, 1) There are many slokas predicting the different combinations including for the different vargas. 2) Events in public personalities are known and with Point No.1, things can be gauged 3) We can test the events with different ayanamsas together to know which comes closer to events. I am not so much conversant with KAS though did make some effort earlier, need to spend more time on it & get more proficiency. So do many others, for we {mostly} all started with conventional astrology hence preference naturally to go it. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , "ashsam73" <kas wrote:>> Dear Mr. Sreeram, > > Isn't that common sense?> > Doing thing the other way would be like putting the cart before the> horse and I thought that was a given.> > What u want to venture, the frame work to test, for that already been> brought forward to this world and that is KAS. > > Again what I am saying is common sense which is that If the rules of> the game are fixed, then testing would become easy.> > Now, the big and practical question that befalls upon us is "are we> willing to understand what this Ash keeps saying are the "fixed rules"?> > The other way is equally welcome where, someone can list the specific> rules that can be repeatable in all the charts and that would "fix the> rule of the game"> > I hope u get my drift Sreeram.> > Who will bell the cat lol.... :-)> > Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Dear Sreeram, Can 2 astrologers, take the same shlokes, see the same chart and come to the same conclusion? When you talk of vargas, that’s were ayanamsa becomes important otherwise, u are increasing the probability by 16 Charts * 12 houses * Aspects * Conjunctions * Curses * 9 planets in the least, and I am quite sure that even if u and sreenadh and sunil and Goel and I were to take all 3 take the same chart and cast, we will all get different vargas as each one uses a different ayanamsa. KAS is nothing but Vedic Astrology only, and the tool used is the same as u use it, i.e. Yogas (SAV), Aspects (sa ju and ma have 3 aspects rest have 1), 4:10 i.e. parasparak karak, aspect on House and aspect on planets. Then Vimshottari dasha is used after getting power of planet. I do not think, there is anything that I have mentioned above is not used by any Jyotish. With KAS, just brings it all home together and gives a numerical value to gauge the power which everyone is using now. So please do not be under any misconception that KAS is something totally different from what is being studied by everyone. The Samdharmi concept is also what you use, the 4:10 or parasparak karaka, planets that conjoin, the navamsa depositor of planet, planets that conjoin in navamsa, planets in same nakshatra. Everyone is using that as well. There is NOTHING that is different. So please do not think that KAS is any different than anything else. Yes, it has fixed rules, on when certain planets will give result and when it wont. Otherwise just think over it, how come that chart that I solved or earlier also that List that was closing i.e. death of a list, how come all those charts came up with highest power? Is it really co-incident? Even, just there are 2000+ members on this list, if everyone who is married checks their chart (yes with Krushna’s ayanamsa as degree of moon will change and so the dasha) then anyone can check if their happy marriage was in 4th lord or 12th lord dasha, and I am sure more 60+ or more people who’s marriage is happy that law will hold true. For those who’s marriage end in divorce or have not kids or very delayed then there too there are some laws, too. That can be checked in all charts. Yes, when such things happen there is more thought, but u can take any person who has happy marriage, and check the rules for delay and u will be astonished to find how this works. Even laws for delay are clear and the procedure to calculate how much, all given. Mostly I have seen jyotisha’s are using intuition for that. I have not got a single reply tell me ok Ash, here is the steps, 1) Calculate xyz and this is the procedure to exactly calculate the delay 2) Subtract abc due to such and such delay being moderated by Guru 3) Etc 4) Etc 5) Etc. You are a true explorer of Jyotish and I know u will understand my point. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of sreeram srinivas Saturday May 17, 2008 11:14 AM To: Subject: Re: Choice of year length and Ayanamsa Dear Ash, 1) There are many slokas predicting the different combinations including for the different vargas. 2) Events in public personalities are known and with Point No.1, things can be gauged 3) We can test the events with different ayanamsas together to know which comes closer to events. I am not so much conversant with KAS though did make some effort earlier, need to spend more time on it & get more proficiency. So do many others, for we {mostly} all started with conventional astrology hence preference naturally to go it. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , " ashsam73 " <kas wrote: > > Dear Mr. Sreeram, > > Isn't that common sense? > > Doing thing the other way would be like putting the cart before the > horse and I thought that was a given. > > What u want to venture, the frame work to test, for that already been > brought forward to this world and that is KAS. > > Again what I am saying is common sense which is that If the rules of > the game are fixed, then testing would become easy. > > Now, the big and practical question that befalls upon us is " are we > willing to understand what this Ash keeps saying are the " fixed rules " ? > > The other way is equally welcome where, someone can list the specific > rules that can be repeatable in all the charts and that would " fix the > rule of the game " > > I hope u get my drift Sreeram. > > Who will bell the cat lol.... :-) > > Cheers !!! > Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Dear Ash,We all know Ashtakvarga is a part of ancient astrology, given by Parashar himself to simplify the derivation of results and to quantify the effects to some extent. I feel can be used as an add-on tool to confirm or negate or modify the observations and inferences we draw through the conventional system. It is specially very useful in transit analysis and longevity etc. If somebody has researched on this system and brought out certain rules and principles for its applicability, I think we should be open to discover its benefits also. It will only enhance our predictive abilities. I was going through some documents given in your group archives and trying to understand the basics. It looks like a somewhat modified version of the system AV system that we normally use. It'll be nice if you give your analysis through KAS on the ongoing threads or quizzes. That way we might get to see the merits of the system. In the meantime interested members can keep studying the documents provided in your group.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Dear Ash, 1) Let us keep applying and knowing the results. 2) Kindly tell us Krushna ayanamsa difference with respect to Lahiri in terms of minutes {plus /minus}...etc.. 3) I do recall your mentioned case of the death......where you were better than other participated members 4) Many other people have good scoring or hit rate with conventional astrology, for the reasons I do believe { not recorded any where} every system or technique appliers have their own share of failure/successful predictors, but it does not undermine it - for it depends upon the individual how much he was successful in assimilating and using the techniques. 5) I do credit that you have worked and revealed many techniques in your KAS group, than any other, for many of this group also have their own share of good techniques, skeptical of giving them in public forum for certain genuine reasons. 6) Conventional astrology has also well detailed ashtakvarga system, due to its mathematical calculations, time consuming, lack of reliable software programs, were its reason for many a people not using them. We started the "Tagore" exercise in right direction to apply the known & theories to a logical test and to conclude there on. Keep participating...... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , "Ash's Corner" <kas wrote:Dear Sreeram, Can 2 astrologers, take the same shlokes, see the same chart and come to the same conclusion? When you talk of vargas, that's were ayanamsa becomes important otherwise, u are increasing the probability by 16 Charts * 12 houses * Aspects * Conjunctions * Curses * 9 planets in the least, and I am quite sure that even if u and sreenadh and sunil and Goel and I were to take all 3 take the same chart and cast, we will all get different vargas as each one uses a different ayanamsa. KAS is nothing but Vedic Astrology only, and the tool used is the same as u use it, i.e. Yogas (SAV), Aspects (sa ju and ma have 3 aspects rest have 1), 4:10 i.e. parasparak karak, aspect on House and aspect on planets. Then Vimshottari dasha is used after getting power of planet. I do not think, there is anything that I have mentioned above is not used by any Jyotish. With KAS, just brings it all home together and gives a numerical value to gauge the power which everyone is using now. So please do not be under any misconception that KAS is something totally different from what is being studied by everyone. The Samdharmi concept is also what you use, the 4:10 or parasparak karaka, planets that conjoin, the navamsa depositor of planet, planets that conjoin in navamsa, planets in same nakshatra. Everyone is using that as well. There is NOTHING that is different. So please do not think that KAS is any different than anything else. Yes, it has fixed rules, on when certain planets will give result and when it wont. Otherwise just think over it, how come that chart that I solved or earlier also that List that was closing i.e. death of a list, how come all those charts came up with highest power? Is it really co-incident? Even, just there are 2000+ members on this list, if everyone who is married checks their chart (yes with Krushna's ayanamsa as degree of moon will change and so the dasha) then anyone can check if their happy marriage was in 4th lord or 12th lord dasha, and I am sure more 60+ or more people who's marriage is happy that law will hold true. For those who's marriage end in divorce or have not kids or very delayed then there too there are some laws, too. That can be checked in all charts. Yes, when such things happen there is more thought, but u can take any person who has happy marriage, and check the rules for delay and u will be astonished to find how this works. Even laws for delay are clear and the procedure to calculate how much, all given. Mostly I have seen jyotisha's are using intuition for that. I have not got a single reply tell me ok Ash, here is the steps, 1) Calculate xyz and this is the procedure to exactly calculate the delay 2) Subtract abc due to such and such delay being moderated by Guru 3) Etc 4) Etc 5) Etc. You are a true explorer of Jyotish and I know u will understand my point. Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Dear Neelam, One thing let me clarify at the outset is that its not MY Group. It’s a group of Krushanji. I am just his student. My replies below yours. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of neelam gupta Saturday May 17, 2008 1:27 PM To: Subject: Re: Choice of year length and Ayanamsa Dear Ash, We all know Ashtakvarga is a part of ancient astrology, given by Parashar himself to simplify the derivation of results and to quantify the effects to some extent. Ash : A lot of knowledge of Ashtakavarga is lost over time. I feel can be used as an add-on tool to confirm or negate or modify the observations and inferences we draw through the conventional system. It is specially very useful in transit analysis and longevity etc. Ash : With the current knowledge of AV that exists, is not enough nor clear so with what’s available what you say is correct. Using Ashtakavarga as available today in standard books alone is not sufficient. U can only use thumb rules. If somebody has researched on this system and brought out certain rules and principles for its applicability, I think we should be open to discover its benefits also. It will only enhance our predictive abilities. Ash : I agree with you. I was going through some documents given in your group archives and trying to understand the basics. It looks like a somewhat modified version of the system AV system that we normally use. Ash : Its not my group, I am a only a student of KAS. The portion that is taught upto now or given now in lessons deals with “Timing of Event”. It'll be nice if you give your analysis through KAS on the ongoing threads or quizzes. That way we might get to see the merits of the system. In the meantime interested members can keep studying the documents provided in your group. Ash : Already done so, on this list I have used to solve one case of marriage in my reply to Goel and one another one on the Closure of a list. To see the merit of any system, there is a lot of material and and cases solve, both blindly, with feedback given on predictions over a period of time on KAS list. I have put some of the predictions on my blog to with full calculations and also some blind quiz that I had taken part some years back on other lists, so I tried to give it all with calculations. Those were all done or predicted. In any case, if I personally am unable to predict an event, that does not mean that a System is not working. That is MY LIMITATION and that I would gladly accept as I have yet to learn so much more. So one should not judge the merit of any system based on the LIMITATIONS OF THE PERSON. So, if I am unable to predict, that is reflection on my inability and should not be of any system. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Dear Sreeram, I will be the first person to say that there are many cases where I might have been able to judge correctly. All my posts right or wrong are available for those to see in the open on KAS list. This reminds me when I had begun learning KAS some years ago, when Krushnaji explained to me very kindly that never to worry about making mistakes, and when you do, find out where you went wrong, and keep that in my mind so that when something similar comes up the next time, u will remember and become better. J. I shall apply whatever little I have learnt in the time I have. Yes, one thing, Is that when a chart is given then some events must also be given so that one can ensure that the chart they are working on is accurate. Mostly charts are given, where one is asked to assume that the time is recorded is accurate. There was a case, which if u dig the archives of KAS list, you will find in which one person gave his chart for analysis, and Krushnaji checked the events and told that none of the events matched the given time. The person was adamant that the birth time was correct, and all reasons were given, and then Krushnaji rectified the time and made a prediction in future about him having a child, and then the native came back after months and reported that he was going to be a father. Yes, in reference to the s/w, because there is no s/w that was available we created the s/w based on the parameters that were taught and its made freely available for those who want to study. I mean its not difficult to cast one chart, u get the points and then see if it matches ones life. All these calculations were very difficult before, to calculate the worksheet summary for Rasi and then for all 16 D charts. You are correct, Krushnaji had told us that it would take 3 days to cast the chart with full concentration. Now imagine, if someone has take this up as profession and has to feed his family, and if it took 3 days to cast a chart and do all the calculations before attempting to predict then u can imagine, how difficult it would be to make an income. So over time all this has disappeared, similar is the case with nadis too. Sreeram no credits to me, I am not doing anything, I am just sharing what I have learnt with members who share similar interest, just as everyone else. Yes, all mistakes on my name and if anything is correct then credit goes to Krushanji for teaching me KAS patiently. J Regarding charts, I will take part as an when I find something interesting. I found the ayanamsa topic interesting so contributed. I shall be teaching KAS basics, on KAS list so I will devote more time there, but I shall try to contribute here as well as an when I find something interesting and if I can share my 2 cents. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of sreeram srinivas Saturday May 17, 2008 2:08 PM To: Re: Choice of year length and Ayanamsa Dear Ash, 1) Let us keep applying and knowing the results. 2) Kindly tell us Krushna ayanamsa difference with respect to Lahiri in terms of minutes {plus /minus}...etc.. 3) I do recall your mentioned case of the death......where you were better than other participated members 4) Many other people have good scoring or hit rate with conventional astrology, for the reasons I do believe { not recorded any where} every system or technique appliers have their own share of failure/successful predictors, but it does not undermine it - for it depends upon the individual how much he was successful in assimilating and using the techniques. 5) I do credit that you have worked and revealed many techniques in your KAS group, than any other, for many of this group also have their own share of good techniques, skeptical of giving them in public forum for certain genuine reasons. 6) Conventional astrology has also well detailed ashtakvarga system, due to its mathematical calculations, time consuming, lack of reliable software programs, were its reason for many a people not using them. We started the " Tagore " exercise in right direction to apply the known & theories to a logical test and to conclude there on. Keep participating...... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: Dear Sreeram, Can 2 astrologers, take the same shlokes, see the same chart and come to the same conclusion? When you talk of vargas, that's were ayanamsa becomes important otherwise, u are increasing the probability by 16 Charts * 12 houses * Aspects * Conjunctions * Curses * 9 planets in the least, and I am quite sure that even if u and sreenadh and sunil and Goel and I were to take all 3 take the same chart and cast, we will all get different vargas as each one uses a different ayanamsa. KAS is nothing but Vedic Astrology only, and the tool used is the same as u use it, i.e. Yogas (SAV), Aspects (sa ju and ma have 3 aspects rest have 1), 4:10 i.e. parasparak karak, aspect on House and aspect on planets. Then Vimshottari dasha is used after getting power of planet. I do not think, there is anything that I have mentioned above is not used by any Jyotish. With KAS, just brings it all home together and gives a numerical value to gauge the power which everyone is using now. So please do not be under any misconception that KAS is something totally different from what is being studied by everyone. The Samdharmi concept is also what you use, the 4:10 or parasparak karaka, planets that conjoin, the navamsa depositor of planet, planets that conjoin in navamsa, planets in same nakshatra. Everyone is using that as well. There is NOTHING that is different. So please do not think that KAS is any different than anything else. Yes, it has fixed rules, on when certain planets will give result and when it wont. Otherwise just think over it, how come that chart that I solved or earlier also that List that was closing i.e. death of a list, how come all those charts came up with highest power? Is it really co-incident? Even, just there are 2000+ members on this list, if everyone who is married checks their chart (yes with Krushna's ayanamsa as degree of moon will change and so the dasha) then anyone can check if their happy marriage was in 4th lord or 12th lord dasha, and I am sure more 60+ or more people who's marriage is happy that law will hold true. For those who's marriage end in divorce or have not kids or very delayed then there too there are some laws, too. That can be checked in all charts. Yes, when such things happen there is more thought, but u can take any person who has happy marriage, and check the rules for delay and u will be astonished to find how this works. Even laws for delay are clear and the procedure to calculate how much, all given. Mostly I have seen jyotisha's are using intuition for that. I have not got a single reply tell me ok Ash, here is the steps, 1) Calculate xyz and this is the procedure to exactly calculate the delay 2) Subtract abc due to such and such delay being moderated by Guru 3) Etc 4) Etc 5) Etc. You are a true explorer of Jyotish and I know u will understand my point. Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Dear Ash,Thanks for your clarifications. I know that it is Krushanji's group, but since you are the moderator and an active member, it is your group also, hence said so. I'm trying to go through the relevant documents and trying to get a toe-hold somewhere. Looks a bit complicated and inverted in the beginning. Like an aspect of a planet with more than 4 points will be detrimental for that house? Does that mean a planet with higher bindus will be good only for the house where it is placed and will spoil the 3 houses (for ju, sa & ma) it aspects. And if it gets less bindus, it will do good for the aspected houses. It would mean a jup in lagna with higher bindus may not be good for 5H, 7H, and 9H? Doesn't that turn our thinking on its head? Anyways, still trying and I am sure a complete picture will make some sense. May be looking at upchay houses and 4-10 houses leads to the correct results... needs a lot of study and practice! You also mentioned about a software that makes life easier for those venturing into the complicated calculations. Is it freely available? RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Dear Neelam, Prabhu Ram’s chart, Ju in lagna in unccha rasi with more than 4 bindus with moon, so till today people are saying Ram Ram and taking the name making him Mahapurusha. But the cost he had to pay was 5th aspect on 9th house killed his father, then aspect of Guru on 7th house separated him from Sita and the 9th aspect separate him from his children. So he did become a Mahapurush (Ju in lagna with 5 bindus) but at the cost of 9th, 7th and 5th J Both sides of the equation. Yes, Ju was also 6th lord. That law is also given in the lessons. If the aspect of Ju is good, then shouldn’t it have saved the father, wife and children? In any case, everyone knows about this. Yes, if Ju is with less than 4 bindus (which is rare) then its aspect will be benefic, but if Guru is with more than 4 bindus then its aspect will be malefic. That u are also following when you see that 7th sign from unccha is neecha. So as per Ashtakavarga we just do not say blindly that aspect of a benefic planet (ju, ve, me) is always benefic. We judge that based on its SAV points. Yes, Neelam, there is a software available and you can get that from Donna’s website and there is a lot of material also available and FAQ’s etc that have been done to make the concept easy. http://krushna.sageasita.com If you go to the Files and Worksheet section, you can download the program and also a program for upachaya. That said, the more u understand KAS, you will realize that its not anything new as all the laws u will be familiar with and are also using. If you have any questions on the fundamentals, please feel free to ask on KAS list, there I can point u to archives and references or cases solved if u are interested. I do not think it will take time for someone who is well versed with VA to understand KAS. Infact for a person who is well versed with VA, can utilize KAS to time events very well. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of neelam gupta Saturday May 17, 2008 2:37 PM To: Re: Re: Choice of year length and Ayanamsa Dear Ash, Thanks for your clarifications. I know that it is Krushanji's group, but since you are the moderator and an active member, it is your group also, hence said so. I'm trying to go through the relevant documents and trying to get a toe-hold somewhere. Looks a bit complicated and inverted in the beginning. Like an aspect of a planet with more than 4 points will be detrimental for that house? Does that mean a planet with higher bindus will be good only for the house where it is placed and will spoil the 3 houses (for ju, sa & ma) it aspects. And if it gets less bindus, it will do good for the aspected houses. It would mean a jup in lagna with higher bindus may not be good for 5H, 7H, and 9H? Doesn't that turn our thinking on its head? Anyways, still trying and I am sure a complete picture will make some sense. May be looking at upchay houses and 4-10 houses leads to the correct results... needs a lot of study and practice! You also mentioned about a software that makes life easier for those venturing into the complicated calculations. Is it freely available? Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Dear Sreeram, There is a HUGE TYPO HERE Please read “I will be the first person to say that there are many cases where I might have been able to judge correctly. “ Please read it as “I will be the first person to say that there are many cases where I might NOT have been able to judge correctly. “ Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of Ash's Corner Saturday May 17, 2008 2:36 PM To: RE: Re: Choice of year length and Ayanamsa Dear Sreeram, I will be the first person to say that there are many cases where I might have been able to judge correctly. All my posts right or wrong are available for those to see in the open on KAS list. This reminds me when I had begun learning KAS some years ago, when Krushnaji explained to me very kindly that never to worry about making mistakes, and when you do, find out where you went wrong, and keep that in my mind so that when something similar comes up the next time, u will remember and become better. J. I shall apply whatever little I have learnt in the time I have. Yes, one thing, Is that when a chart is given then some events must also be given so that one can ensure that the chart they are working on is accurate. Mostly charts are given, where one is asked to assume that the time is recorded is accurate. There was a case, which if u dig the archives of KAS list, you will find in which one person gave his chart for analysis, and Krushnaji checked the events and told that none of the events matched the given time. The person was adamant that the birth time was correct, and all reasons were given, and then Krushnaji rectified the time and made a prediction in future about him having a child, and then the native came back after months and reported that he was going to be a father. Yes, in reference to the s/w, because there is no s/w that was available we created the s/w based on the parameters that were taught and its made freely available for those who want to study. I mean its not difficult to cast one chart, u get the points and then see if it matches ones life. All these calculations were very difficult before, to calculate the worksheet summary for Rasi and then for all 16 D charts. You are correct, Krushnaji had told us that it would take 3 days to cast the chart with full concentration. Now imagine, if someone has take this up as profession and has to feed his family, and if it took 3 days to cast a chart and do all the calculations before attempting to predict then u can imagine, how difficult it would be to make an income. So over time all this has disappeared, similar is the case with nadis too. Sreeram no credits to me, I am not doing anything, I am just sharing what I have learnt with members who share similar interest, just as everyone else. Yes, all mistakes on my name and if anything is correct then credit goes to Krushanji for teaching me KAS patiently. J Regarding charts, I will take part as an when I find something interesting. I found the ayanamsa topic interesting so contributed. I shall be teaching KAS basics, on KAS list so I will devote more time there, but I shall try to contribute here as well as an when I find something interesting and if I can share my 2 cents. Cheers !!! Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca On Behalf Of sreeram srinivas Saturday May 17, 2008 2:08 PM Re: Choice of year length and Ayanamsa Dear Ash, 1) Let us keep applying and knowing the results. 2) Kindly tell us Krushna ayanamsa difference with respect to Lahiri in terms of minutes {plus /minus}...etc.. 3) I do recall your mentioned case of the death......where you were better than other participated members 4) Many other people have good scoring or hit rate with conventional astrology, for the reasons I do believe { not recorded any where} every system or technique appliers have their own share of failure/successful predictors, but it does not undermine it - for it depends upon the individual how much he was successful in assimilating and using the techniques. 5) I do credit that you have worked and revealed many techniques in your KAS group, than any other, for many of this group also have their own share of good techniques, skeptical of giving them in public forum for certain genuine reasons. 6) Conventional astrology has also well detailed ashtakvarga system, due to its mathematical calculations, time consuming, lack of reliable software programs, were its reason for many a people not using them. We started the " Tagore " exercise in right direction to apply the known & theories to a logical test and to conclude there on. Keep participating...... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , " Ash's Corner " <kas wrote: Dear Sreeram, Can 2 astrologers, take the same shlokes, see the same chart and come to the same conclusion? When you talk of vargas, that's were ayanamsa becomes important otherwise, u are increasing the probability by 16 Charts * 12 houses * Aspects * Conjunctions * Curses * 9 planets in the least, and I am quite sure that even if u and sreenadh and sunil and Goel and I were to take all 3 take the same chart and cast, we will all get different vargas as each one uses a different ayanamsa. KAS is nothing but Vedic Astrology only, and the tool used is the same as u use it, i.e. Yogas (SAV), Aspects (sa ju and ma have 3 aspects rest have 1), 4:10 i.e. parasparak karak, aspect on House and aspect on planets. Then Vimshottari dasha is used after getting power of planet. I do not think, there is anything that I have mentioned above is not used by any Jyotish. With KAS, just brings it all home together and gives a numerical value to gauge the power which everyone is using now. So please do not be under any misconception that KAS is something totally different from what is being studied by everyone. The Samdharmi concept is also what you use, the 4:10 or parasparak karaka, planets that conjoin, the navamsa depositor of planet, planets that conjoin in navamsa, planets in same nakshatra. Everyone is using that as well. There is NOTHING that is different. So please do not think that KAS is any different than anything else. Yes, it has fixed rules, on when certain planets will give result and when it wont. Otherwise just think over it, how come that chart that I solved or earlier also that List that was closing i.e. death of a list, how come all those charts came up with highest power? Is it really co-incident? Even, just there are 2000+ members on this list, if everyone who is married checks their chart (yes with Krushna's ayanamsa as degree of moon will change and so the dasha) then anyone can check if their happy marriage was in 4th lord or 12th lord dasha, and I am sure more 60+ or more people who's marriage is happy that law will hold true. For those who's marriage end in divorce or have not kids or very delayed then there too there are some laws, too. That can be checked in all charts. Yes, when such things happen there is more thought, but u can take any person who has happy marriage, and check the rules for delay and u will be astonished to find how this works. Even laws for delay are clear and the procedure to calculate how much, all given. Mostly I have seen jyotisha's are using intuition for that. I have not got a single reply tell me ok Ash, here is the steps, 1) Calculate xyz and this is the procedure to exactly calculate the delay 2) Subtract abc due to such and such delay being moderated by Guru 3) Etc 4) Etc 5) Etc. You are a true explorer of Jyotish and I know u will understand my point. Ash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Dear Hari, Generally , I use 3 level dasa periods for predictive purposes , along with Transits. Next three stages are really triky on account of following reasons: 1. It is almost impossible to note down the correctly birth time( Savants do have difference of opinion as to which time is to be noted) 2 Generally , Co-ordinates of  city are adopted and not the exact birth place 3 AS WE USE SIDEREAL SYSTEM.,  NO TWO AUTHORITIES ARE WILLING TO AGREE ON AYANAMSA, INSTEAD THEY GO ON FIGHTING OR SOMETIMES EVEN ABUSING EACH OTHER.  UNDER SUCH A SITUATION IT IS DIFFICULT TO RELY BEYOND 3rd LEVEL. The persons who consult me on regular basis , I try to go beyond third level by rectifying the birth time. Once time is set, dasas beyond third level give wonderful insight on future day-to day happening. BPHS is a greate help in this regard. Regards,    G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 Monday, 19 May, 2008 6:37:37 PM Re: Choice of year length and Ayanamsa |om hrim namo bhagavate ramakrishnaaya| Dear Goel Saab, namaste  The meaning of 'deha antardasa in PAD' is the deha antar dasas within the prana antar dasa. I hope this is clear now.  best regards Hari On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: Dear Mr. Hari, I am not able to correctly understand the meaning of words, 'DehA antardasa in PAD " KINDLY CLARIFY, Regards,  G.K.GOEL Ph: 09350311433 Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR NEW DELHI-110 076 INDIA Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 Saturday, 17 May, 2008 10:47:29 PM Re: Choice of year length and Ayanamsa OM NAMO BHAGAVATE VASUDEVAAYA Dear Goel Saab, Namaste. This is a private mail to you; please do not circulate this to the lists that you are a member of. Thanks. While following the " debate " on ayanamsa, I wanted to check the " test " case given therein. The " test " case is November 18, 1971, 02:55 AM, Trivandrum, India and the event is marriage on 24 February 2008 at 11.30 AM. This corresponds to Kanya lagna, Mesha navamsa lagna, Moon in Visakha 3rd pada. As per JHora with Chitrapaksha ayanamsa (Vishnu Nabhi plane) using 360 degrees solar year, for the event date I get the following sequence of Vimsottari dasa upto 6th level: Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon): Merc MD: 1995-07-01 - 2012-06-30  Jup AD: 2007-07-16 - 2009-10-23  Sat PD: 2007-11-05 - 2008-03-12   Jup SD: 2008-02-24 - 2008-03-12   Jup PAD: 2008-02-24 - 2008-02-26    Deha-antardasas in this PAD:    Jup: 2008-02-24 - 2008-02-24    Sat: 2008-02-24 - 2008-02-24 <--------Event took place in this period.    Merc: 2008-02-24 - 2008-02-24    Ket: 2008-02-24 - 2008-02-25    Ven: 2008-02-25 - 2008-02-25    Sun: 2008-02-25 - 2008-02-25    Moon: 2008-02-25 - 2008-02-25    Mars: 2008-02-25 - 2008-02-25    Rah: 2008-02-25 - 2008-02-26 In other words, the sequence is Me-Ju-Sa|Ju-Ju-Sa with the hora lord being Sani according to the muhurta chart cast at Trivandrum. Goel Saab, please examine this and give your opinion. I have inserted a vertical bar between Maha-Antar-Pratyantar and Sookshma antar - Praana antar - Deha antar because, in my understanding, they require a different level of interpretation. best regards Hari PS: We met at SJC Mumbai conference. Check out the all-new face of India. Go to http://in./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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