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Hare rama krishna

dear gopu ji

 

I agree with u and i did talked to both parties and they hav come to a consenses .

 

actulay it was a mistake frm hari ji as he thought it for some other person ,intead of a student trying to learn astrology .

 

Any way i am sure madam bhagavathi ji wont take it personaly as her only interest is astrology and she also write to me she dont want to involve in any personal fights or egos .

 

Also pls make a note that sri chandrahari is not a practising astrologer and he is more into theoretical part of astrology and astronomical part which lead to sidhandas .

 

for example even if i am an astrologer i dont know any head and tail abt astronomical mathematical part of astrology ,otherwise varhamihira says astrologer shud be wel versed in calculations on their own .

 

Hope its clear now and no more personal attacks frm any part .

 

regrds sunil nair

 

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

 

thanks for ur mail

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah.

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> > dear sunil nairji> sorry for intervening into this heated discussion. I> fully agree with u that Sri Chandra Hari is a great> learned and well informed gentleman in astrology but> it doesnt qualify him to pass sarcastic remarks> against other members if they come out with their> approach in astrology. As Mrs.Bhagawathi has said that> all his education goes waste if he cannot control his> anger or outburst. He will be an authority on the> subject but when it comes to prediction he couldnt> come anywhere near to vijayadas pradeep or madhu nair> while predicting on the blind chart given by Neelamji.> so prediction is an art which has nothing to do with> accumulation of thereotical knowledge. I am sure ur> aware abt Sri Avtar Kishen kaul who is trying his best> to debase astrology, rasis and ayanamsa in Hindu> calendar reform society and his claim that present> panchagam is absurd and he even adds adjectives> against Surya siddhantha,,Varahamihra. Any one who is> refuting his claim he shows similair outburst.> So it is high time Sri Chandra Hari shows restraint in> his language. I declare that i have not even scratched> the periphery of astrology and am nothing compared to> the knowledge of Sri chandra hari.> > good wishes,> k.gopu>

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dear sunilji,

thank u very much. my intention wasnt to bring any

personal attacks. My interaction with Mrs. Bhagawathi

is for the past 18mths approx ie when she became the

moderator for the group started by sushil dixit.

however the group is inactive. My intention was only

for a mutual and peaceful atmosphere in the group.

hope I have not hurt any body by my earlier mail.

 

good wishes,

k.gopu

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Hare rama krishna

dear gopu ji

 

we know each other for long time,so no ill feeling between us .Ur suggestions are always welcome

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> dear sunilji,> thank u very much. my intention wasnt to bring any> personal attacks. My interaction with Mrs. Bhagawathi> is for the past 18mths approx ie when she became the> moderator for the group started by sushil dixit.> however the group is inactive. My intention was only> for a mutual and peaceful atmosphere in the group.> hope I have not hurt any body by my earlier mail.> > good wishes,> k.gopu>

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Dear Gopuji,

 

You have not hurt anybody. I know you also well and Sunilji (Guruji)

also. By the way, Shri.Sushil Dixit's classes is no longer inactive.

Just take a look in there, you will be surprised to see the new

vigor " Sage Parashara " has given to the groups.

 

Shri Chandra Hariji is indeed a respectable and learned man. We are

communicating well with each other in private emails. I got to know

his immense knowledge through his writings

 

Regards,

 

bhagavathi

 

 

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear gopu ji

>

>

>

> we know each other for long time,so no ill feeling between us .Ur

> suggestions are always welcome

>

>

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

>

>

>

> , K Gopu <kgopu_24@>

> wrote:

> >

> > dear sunilji,

> > thank u very much. my intention wasnt to bring any

> > personal attacks. My interaction with Mrs. Bhagawathi

> > is for the past 18mths approx ie when she became the

> > moderator for the group started by sushil dixit.

> > however the group is inactive. My intention was only

> > for a mutual and peaceful atmosphere in the group.

> > hope I have not hurt any body by my earlier mail.

> >

> > good wishes,

> > k.gopu

> >

>

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Dear Ash,

1) There are many slokas predicting the different combinations including for the different vargas.

2) Events in public personalities are known and with Point No.1, things can be gauged

3) We can test the events with different ayanamsas together to know which comes closer to events.

I am not so much conversant with KAS though did make some effort earlier, need to spend more time on it & get more proficiency. So do many others, for we {mostly} all started with conventional astrology hence preference naturally to go it.

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas , "ashsam73" <kas wrote:>> Dear Mr. Sreeram, > > Isn't that common sense?> > Doing thing the other way would be like putting the cart before the> horse and I thought that was a given.> > What u want to venture, the frame work to test, for that already been> brought forward to this world and that is KAS. > > Again what I am saying is common sense which is that If the rules of> the game are fixed, then testing would become easy.> > Now, the big and practical question that befalls upon us is "are we> willing to understand what this Ash keeps saying are the "fixed rules"?> > The other way is equally welcome where, someone can list the specific> rules that can be repeatable in all the charts and that would "fix the> rule of the game"> > I hope u get my drift Sreeram.> > Who will bell the cat lol.... :-)> > Cheers !!!> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

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Dear

Sreeram,

 

Can

2 astrologers, take the same shlokes, see the same chart and come to the same

conclusion?

 

When

you talk of vargas, that’s were ayanamsa becomes important otherwise, u

are increasing the probability by 16 Charts * 12 houses * Aspects *

Conjunctions * Curses * 9 planets

in the least, and I am quite sure that even if u and sreenadh and sunil and

Goel and I were to take all 3 take the same chart and cast, we will all get

different vargas as each one uses a different ayanamsa.

 

KAS

is nothing but Vedic Astrology only, and the tool used is the same as u use it,

i.e. Yogas (SAV), Aspects (sa ju and ma have 3 aspects rest have 1), 4:10 i.e.

parasparak karak, aspect on House and aspect on planets. Then Vimshottari dasha is used after

getting power of planet. I do not

think, there is anything that I have mentioned above is not used by any Jyotish.

 

With

KAS, just brings it all home together and gives a numerical value to gauge the

power which everyone is using now.

So please do not be under any misconception that KAS is something

totally different from what is being studied by everyone.

 

The

Samdharmi concept is also what you use, the 4:10 or parasparak karaka, planets

that conjoin, the navamsa depositor of planet, planets that conjoin in navamsa,

planets in same nakshatra. Everyone

is using that as well. There is

NOTHING that is different.

 

So

please do not think that KAS is any different than anything else. Yes, it has fixed rules, on when certain

planets will give result and when it wont.

 

 

Otherwise

just think over it, how come that chart that I solved or earlier also that List

that was closing i.e. death of a list, how come all those charts came up with

highest power? Is it really

co-incident?

 

Even,

just there are 2000+ members on this list, if everyone who is married checks

their chart (yes with Krushna’s ayanamsa as degree of moon will change

and so the dasha) then anyone can check if their happy marriage was in 4th

lord or 12th lord dasha, and I am sure more 60+ or more people who’s marriage

is happy that law will hold true.

 

For

those who’s marriage end in divorce or have not kids or very delayed then

there too there are some laws, too.

That can be checked in all charts.

Yes, when such things happen there is more thought, but u can take any

person who has happy marriage, and check the rules for delay and u will be

astonished to find how this works.

 

Even

laws for delay are clear and the procedure to calculate how much, all

given. Mostly I have seen jyotisha’s

are using intuition for that.

 

I

have not got a single reply tell me ok Ash, here is the steps,

 

1) Calculate xyz and this is

the procedure to exactly calculate the delay

2) Subtract abc due to such

and such delay being moderated by Guru

3) Etc

4) Etc

5) Etc.

 

You

are a true explorer of Jyotish and I know u will understand my point.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of sreeram srinivas

Saturday May 17, 2008 11:14

AM

To:

 

Subject:

Re: Choice of year length and Ayanamsa

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash,

1) There

are many slokas predicting the different combinations including for the

different vargas.

2) Events

in public personalities are known and with Point No.1, things can be gauged

3) We can

test the events with different ayanamsas together to know which comes closer to

events.

I am not

so much conversant with KAS though did make some effort earlier, need to spend

more time on it & get more proficiency. So do many others, for

we {mostly} all started with conventional astrology hence preference naturally

to go it.

With

regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

, " ashsam73 "

<kas wrote:

>

> Dear Mr. Sreeram,

>

> Isn't that common sense?

>

> Doing thing the other way would be like putting the cart before the

> horse and I thought that was a given.

>

> What u want to venture, the frame work to test, for that already been

> brought forward to this world and that is KAS.

>

> Again what I am saying is common sense which is that If the rules of

> the game are fixed, then testing would become easy.

>

> Now, the big and practical question that befalls upon us is " are we

> willing to understand what this Ash keeps saying are the " fixed

rules " ?

>

> The other way is equally welcome where, someone can list the specific

> rules that can be repeatable in all the charts and that would " fix

the

> rule of the game "

>

> I hope u get my drift Sreeram.

>

> Who will bell the cat lol.... :-)

>

> Cheers !!!

> Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

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Dear Ash,We all know Ashtakvarga

is a part of ancient astrology, given by Parashar himself to simplify the

derivation of results and to quantify the effects to some extent.

I feel can be used as

an add-on tool to confirm or negate or modify the observations and inferences

we draw through the conventional system. It is specially very useful in transit

analysis and longevity etc.

If somebody has researched

on this system and brought out certain rules and principles for its

applicability, I think we should be open to discover its benefits also. It will

only enhance our predictive abilities.

I was going through

some documents given in your group archives and trying to understand the

basics. It looks like a somewhat modified version of the system AV system that we normally use.

It'll be nice if you

give your analysis through KAS on the ongoing threads or quizzes. That way we

might get to see the merits of the system. In the meantime

interested members can keep studying the documents provided in your group.RegardsNeelam

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Dear Ash,

1) Let us keep applying and knowing the results.

2) Kindly tell us Krushna ayanamsa difference with respect to Lahiri in terms of minutes {plus /minus}...etc..

3) I do recall your mentioned case of the death......where you were better than other participated members

4) Many other people have good scoring or hit rate with conventional astrology, for the reasons I do believe { not recorded any where} every system or technique appliers have their own share of failure/successful predictors, but it does not undermine it - for it depends upon the individual how much he was successful in assimilating and using the techniques.

5) I do credit that you have worked and revealed many techniques in your KAS group, than any other, for many of this group also have their own share of good techniques, skeptical of giving them in public forum for certain genuine reasons.

6) Conventional astrology has also well detailed ashtakvarga system, due to its mathematical calculations, time consuming, lack of reliable software programs, were its reason for many a people not using them.

We started the "Tagore" exercise in right direction to apply the known & theories to a logical test and to conclude there on. Keep participating......

With regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

, "Ash's Corner" <kas wrote:Dear Sreeram,

Can 2 astrologers, take the same shlokes, see the same chart and come to the same conclusion?

When you talk of vargas, that's were ayanamsa becomes important otherwise, u are increasing the probability by 16 Charts * 12 houses * Aspects * Conjunctions * Curses * 9 planets in the least, and I am quite sure that even if u and sreenadh and sunil and Goel and I were to take all 3 take the same chart and cast, we will all get different vargas as each one uses a different ayanamsa.

KAS is nothing but Vedic Astrology only, and the tool used is the same as u use it, i.e. Yogas (SAV), Aspects (sa ju and ma have 3 aspects rest have 1), 4:10 i.e. parasparak karak, aspect on House and aspect on planets. Then Vimshottari dasha is used after getting power of planet. I do not think, there is anything that I have mentioned above is not used by any Jyotish.

With KAS, just brings it all home together and gives a numerical value to gauge the power which everyone is using now. So please do not be under any misconception that KAS is something totally different from what is being studied by everyone.

The Samdharmi concept is also what you use, the 4:10 or parasparak karaka, planets that conjoin, the navamsa depositor of planet, planets that conjoin in navamsa, planets in same nakshatra. Everyone is using that as well. There is NOTHING that is different.

So please do not think that KAS is any different than anything else. Yes, it has fixed rules, on when certain planets will give result and when it wont.

Otherwise just think over it, how come that chart that I solved or earlier also that List that was closing i.e. death of a list, how come all those charts came up with highest power? Is it really co-incident?

Even, just there are 2000+ members on this list, if everyone who is married checks their chart (yes with Krushna's ayanamsa as degree of moon will change and so the dasha) then anyone can check if their happy marriage was in 4th lord or 12th lord dasha, and I am sure more 60+ or more people who's marriage is happy that law will hold true.

For those who's marriage end in divorce or have not kids or very delayed then there too there are some laws, too. That can be checked in all charts. Yes, when such things happen there is more thought, but u can take any person who has happy marriage, and check the rules for delay and u will be astonished to find how this works.

Even laws for delay are clear and the procedure to calculate how much, all given. Mostly I have seen jyotisha's are using intuition for that.

I have not got a single reply tell me ok Ash, here is the steps,

1) Calculate xyz and this is the procedure to exactly calculate the delay

2) Subtract abc due to such and such delay being moderated by Guru

3) Etc

4) Etc

5) Etc.

You are a true explorer of Jyotish and I know u will understand my point.

Ash

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Dear

Neelam,

 

One

thing let me clarify at the outset is that its not MY Group. It’s a group of Krushanji. I am

just his student.

 

My

replies below yours.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of neelam gupta

Saturday May 17, 2008 1:27

PM

To:

 

Subject:

Re: Choice of year length and Ayanamsa

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash,

 

We all know Ashtakvarga is a part of ancient astrology, given by Parashar

himself to simplify the derivation of results and to quantify the effects to

some extent.

Ash : A lot of knowledge of

Ashtakavarga is lost over time.

I feel can be used

as an add-on tool to confirm or negate or modify the observations and

inferences we draw through the conventional system. It is specially very useful

in transit analysis and longevity etc.

Ash : With the current

knowledge of AV that exists, is not enough nor clear so with what’s

available what you say is correct.

Using Ashtakavarga as available today in standard books alone is not

sufficient. U can only use thumb

rules.

If somebody has

researched on this system and brought out certain rules and principles for its

applicability, I think we should be open to discover its benefits also. It will

only enhance our predictive abilities.

Ash : I agree with you.

I was going

through some documents given in your group archives and trying to understand

the basics. It looks like a somewhat modified version of the system AV system

that we normally use.

Ash : Its not my group, I

am a only a student of KAS. The

portion that is taught upto now or given now in lessons

deals with “Timing of Event”.

 

It'll be nice if

you give your analysis through KAS on the ongoing threads or quizzes. That way

we might get to see the merits of the system. In the meantime interested

members can keep studying the documents provided in your group.

Ash : Already done so, on

this list I have used to solve one case of marriage in my reply to Goel and one another one on the Closure of a list. To see the merit of any system, there

is a lot of material and and cases solve, both

blindly, with feedback given on predictions over a period of time on KAS

list. I have put some of the

predictions on my blog to with full calculations and also some blind quiz that I

had taken part some years back on other lists, so I tried to give it all with

calculations. Those were all done

or predicted.

In any case, if I personally

am unable to predict an event, that does not mean that a System is not

working. That is MY LIMITATION and

that I would gladly accept as I have yet to learn so much more.

So one should not judge the

merit of any system based on the LIMITATIONS OF THE PERSON. So, if I am unable to predict, that is

reflection on my inability and should not be of any system.

Regards

Neelam

 

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Dear

Sreeram,

 

I

will be the first person to say that there are many cases where I might have

been able to judge correctly. All

my posts right or wrong are available for those to see in the open on KAS list. This reminds me when I had begun

learning KAS some years ago, when Krushnaji explained to me very kindly that never

to worry about making mistakes, and when you do, find out where you went wrong,

and keep that in my mind so that when something similar comes up the next time,

u will remember and become better. J.

 

I

shall apply whatever little I have learnt in the time I have. Yes, one thing, Is that when a chart is

given then some events must also be given so that one can ensure that the chart

they are working on is accurate.

Mostly charts are given, where one is asked to assume that the time is

recorded is accurate.

 

There

was a case, which if u dig the archives of KAS list, you will find in which one

person gave his chart for analysis, and Krushnaji checked the events and told

that none of the events matched the given time. The person was adamant that the birth time

was correct, and all reasons were given, and then Krushnaji rectified the time

and made a prediction in future about him having a child, and then the native

came back after months and reported that he was going to be a father.

 

Yes,

in reference to the s/w, because there is no s/w that was available we created

the s/w based on the parameters that were taught and its made freely available

for those who want to study. I mean

its not difficult to cast one chart, u get the points and then see if it

matches ones life. All these calculations

were very difficult before, to calculate the worksheet summary for Rasi and

then for all 16 D charts. You are

correct, Krushnaji had told us that it would take 3 days to cast the chart with

full concentration. Now imagine, if

someone has take this up as profession and has to feed his family, and if it took

3 days to cast a chart and do all the calculations before attempting to predict

then u can imagine, how difficult it would be to make an income. So over time all this has disappeared,

similar is the case with nadis too.

 

Sreeram no credits to me, I am not doing anything, I am just sharing

what I have learnt with members who

share similar interest, just as everyone else. Yes, all mistakes on my name and if anything

is correct then credit goes to Krushanji for teaching

me KAS patiently. J

 

Regarding

charts, I will take part as an when I find something interesting. I found the ayanamsa topic interesting so

contributed.

 

I

shall be teaching KAS basics, on KAS list so I will devote more time there, but

I shall try to contribute here as well as an when I find something interesting

and if I can share my 2 cents.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of sreeram srinivas

Saturday May 17, 2008 2:08

PM

To:

 

 

Re: Choice of year length and Ayanamsa

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash,

1) Let us

keep applying and knowing the results.

2) Kindly

tell us Krushna ayanamsa difference with respect to Lahiri in terms of minutes

{plus /minus}...etc..

3) I do

recall your mentioned case of the death......where you were better than other

participated members

4) Many

other people have good scoring or hit rate with conventional astrology, for the

reasons I do believe { not recorded any where} every system or technique

appliers have their own share of failure/successful predictors, but it does not

undermine it - for it depends upon the individual how much he was successful in

assimilating and using the techniques.

5) I do

credit that you have worked and revealed many techniques in your KAS group,

than any other, for many of this group also have their own share of good

techniques, skeptical of giving them in public forum for certain genuine

reasons.

6)

Conventional astrology has also well detailed ashtakvarga system, due to its

mathematical calculations, time consuming, lack of reliable software

programs, were its reason for many a people not using them.

We

started the " Tagore " exercise in right direction to apply the known

& theories to a logical test and to conclude there on. Keep

participating......

With

regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, " Ash's Corner "

<kas wrote:

Dear Sreeram,

Can 2 astrologers, take the same shlokes, see the same chart and

come to the same conclusion?

When you talk of vargas, that's were ayanamsa becomes important

otherwise, u are increasing the probability by 16 Charts * 12 houses * Aspects

* Conjunctions * Curses * 9 planets in the least, and I am quite sure

that even if u and sreenadh and sunil and Goel and I were to take all 3 take

the same chart and cast, we will all get different vargas as each one uses a

different ayanamsa.

KAS is nothing but Vedic Astrology only, and the tool used is the

same as u use it, i.e. Yogas (SAV), Aspects (sa ju and ma have 3 aspects rest

have 1), 4:10 i.e. parasparak karak, aspect on House and aspect on planets.

Then Vimshottari dasha is used after getting power of planet. I do not

think, there is anything that I have mentioned above is not used by any Jyotish.

With KAS, just brings it all home together and gives a numerical

value to gauge the power which everyone is using now. So please do not be

under any misconception that KAS is something totally different from what is

being studied by everyone.

The Samdharmi concept is also what you use, the 4:10 or parasparak

karaka, planets that conjoin, the navamsa depositor of planet, planets that

conjoin in navamsa, planets in same nakshatra. Everyone is using that as

well. There is NOTHING that is different.

So please do not think that KAS is any different than anything

else. Yes, it has fixed rules, on when certain planets will give result

and when it wont.

Otherwise just think over it, how come that chart that I solved or

earlier also that List that was closing i.e. death of a list, how come all

those charts came up with highest power? Is it really co-incident?

Even, just there are 2000+ members on this list, if everyone who is

married checks their chart (yes with Krushna's ayanamsa as degree of moon will

change and so the dasha) then anyone can check if their happy marriage was in 4th

lord or 12th lord dasha, and I am sure more 60+ or more people

who's marriage is happy that law will hold true.

For those who's marriage end in divorce or have not kids or very

delayed then there too there are some laws, too. That can be checked in

all charts. Yes, when such things happen there is more thought, but u can

take any person who has happy marriage, and check the rules for delay and u

will be astonished to find how this works.

Even laws for delay are clear and the procedure to calculate how

much, all given. Mostly I have seen jyotisha's are using intuition for

that.

I have not got a single reply tell me ok Ash, here is the steps,

1) Calculate xyz and this is the procedure to exactly calculate the

delay

2) Subtract abc due to such and such delay being moderated by Guru

3) Etc

4) Etc

5) Etc.

You are a true explorer of Jyotish and I know u will understand my

point.

Ash

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Dear Ash,Thanks for your clarifications. I know that it is Krushanji's group, but since you are the moderator and an active member, it is your group also, hence said so. I'm trying to go through the relevant documents and trying to get a toe-hold somewhere. Looks a bit complicated and inverted in the beginning. Like an aspect of a planet with more than 4 points will be detrimental for that house? Does that mean a planet with higher bindus will be good only for the house where it is placed and will spoil the 3 houses (for ju, sa & ma) it aspects. And if it gets less bindus, it will do good for the aspected houses. It would mean a jup in lagna with higher bindus may not be good for 5H, 7H, and 9H? Doesn't that turn our thinking on its head? Anyways, still trying and I am sure a complete picture will make some sense. May be looking at upchay houses and 4-10 houses leads to the correct results... needs a lot of study and practice!

You also mentioned about a software that makes life easier for those venturing into the complicated calculations. Is it freely available? RegardsNeelam

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Dear

Neelam,

 

 

Prabhu

Ram’s chart, Ju in lagna in unccha rasi with more than 4 bindus with moon, so till today people are

saying Ram Ram and taking the name making him Mahapurusha.

But

the cost he had to pay was

 

5th

aspect on 9th house killed his father, then aspect of Guru on 7th

house separated him from Sita and the 9th aspect separate him from

his children. So he did become a

Mahapurush (Ju in lagna with 5 bindus) but at the cost of 9th, 7th

and 5th J

 

Both

sides of the equation. Yes, Ju was

also 6th lord. That law

is also given in the lessons.

 

If

the aspect of Ju is good, then shouldn’t it have saved the father, wife

and children? In any case, everyone

knows about this. Yes, if Ju is

with less than 4 bindus (which is rare) then its aspect will be benefic, but if

Guru is with more than 4 bindus then its aspect will be malefic. That u are also following when you see

that 7th sign from unccha is neecha. So as per Ashtakavarga we just do not

say blindly that aspect of a benefic planet (ju, ve, me) is always

benefic. We judge that based on its

SAV points.

 

Yes,

Neelam, there is a software available and you can get that from Donna’s

website and there is a lot of material also available and FAQ’s etc that

have been done to make the concept easy.

http://krushna.sageasita.com

 

If

you go to the Files and Worksheet section, you can download the program and

also a program for upachaya.

 

That

said, the more u understand KAS, you will realize that its not anything new as

all the laws u will be familiar with and are also using.

 

If

you have any questions on the fundamentals, please feel free to ask on KAS

list, there I can point u to archives and references or cases solved if u are

interested.

 

I

do not think it will take time for someone who is well versed with VA to

understand KAS. Infact for a person

who is well versed with VA, can utilize KAS to time events very well.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of neelam gupta

Saturday May 17, 2008 2:37

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Re: Choice of year length and Ayanamsa

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash,

 

Thanks for your clarifications. I know that it is Krushanji's group, but since

you are the moderator and an active member, it is your group also, hence said

so.

 

I'm trying to go through the relevant documents and trying to get a toe-hold

somewhere. Looks a bit complicated and inverted in the beginning. Like an

aspect of a planet with more than 4 points will be detrimental for that house?

Does that mean a planet with higher bindus will be good only for the house

where it is placed and will spoil the 3 houses (for ju, sa & ma) it

aspects. And if it gets less bindus, it will do good for the aspected houses.

It would mean a jup in lagna with higher bindus may not be good for 5H, 7H, and

9H? Doesn't that turn our thinking on its head? Anyways, still trying and I am

sure a complete picture will make some sense. May be looking at upchay houses

and 4-10 houses leads to the correct results... needs a lot of study and

practice!

 

You also mentioned about a software that makes life easier for those venturing

into the complicated calculations. Is it freely available?

 

Regards

Neelam

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Dear

Sreeram,

 

There

is a HUGE TYPO HERE

 

Please

read

 

“I will be the first person to say that there are many cases where I

might have been able to judge correctly. “

 

Please read it as

 

“I will be the first person

to say that there are many cases where I might NOT have been able to judge correctly. “

 

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

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Saturday May 17, 2008 2:36

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Dear Sreeram,

 

I will be the first person to say that there are many cases where I

might have been able to judge correctly. All my posts right or wrong are

available for those to see in the open on KAS list. This reminds me when

I had begun learning KAS some years ago, when Krushnaji explained to me very

kindly that never to worry about making mistakes, and when you do, find out

where you went wrong, and keep that in my mind so that when something similar

comes up the next time, u will remember and become better. J.

 

I shall apply whatever little I have learnt in the time I

have. Yes, one thing, Is that when a chart is given then some events must

also be given so that one can ensure that the chart they are working on is

accurate. Mostly charts are given, where one is asked to assume that the

time is recorded is accurate.

 

There was a case, which if u dig the archives of KAS list, you will

find in which one person gave his chart for analysis, and Krushnaji checked the

events and told that none of the events matched the given time. The

person was adamant that the birth time was correct, and all reasons were given,

and then Krushnaji rectified the time and made a prediction in future about him

having a child, and then the native came back after months and reported that he

was going to be a father.

 

Yes, in reference to the s/w, because there is no s/w that was

available we created the s/w based on the parameters that were taught and its

made freely available for those who want to study. I mean its not

difficult to cast one chart, u get the points and then see if it matches ones

life. All these calculations were very difficult before, to calculate the

worksheet summary for Rasi and then for all 16 D charts. You are correct,

Krushnaji had told us that it would take 3 days to cast the chart with full

concentration. Now imagine, if someone has take this up as profession and

has to feed his family, and if it took 3 days to cast a chart and do all the

calculations before attempting to predict then u can imagine, how difficult it

would be to make an income. So over time all this has disappeared,

similar is the case with nadis too.

 

Sreeram no credits to me, I am not doing anything, I am just sharing

what I have learnt with members who share similar interest, just as

everyone else. Yes, all mistakes on my name and if anything is

correct then credit goes to Krushanji for teaching me

KAS patiently. J

 

Regarding charts, I will take part as an when I find something

interesting. I found the ayanamsa topic interesting so contributed.

 

 

I shall be teaching KAS basics, on KAS list so I will devote more

time there, but I shall try to contribute here as well as an when I find

something interesting and if I can share my 2 cents.

 

Cheers !!!

Ash -> http://www.ashtro.ca

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of sreeram srinivas

Saturday May 17, 2008 2:08

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Re: Choice of year length and Ayanamsa

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ash,

1) Let us

keep applying and knowing the results.

2) Kindly

tell us Krushna ayanamsa difference with respect to Lahiri in terms of minutes

{plus /minus}...etc..

3) I do

recall your mentioned case of the death......where you were better than other

participated members

4) Many

other people have good scoring or hit rate with conventional astrology, for the

reasons I do believe { not recorded any where} every system or technique

appliers have their own share of failure/successful predictors, but it does not

undermine it - for it depends upon the individual how much he was successful in

assimilating and using the techniques.

5) I do

credit that you have worked and revealed many techniques in your KAS group,

than any other, for many of this group also have their own share of good

techniques, skeptical of giving them in public forum for certain genuine

reasons.

6)

Conventional astrology has also well detailed ashtakvarga system, due to its

mathematical calculations, time consuming, lack of reliable software

programs, were its reason for many a people not using them.

We

started the " Tagore " exercise in right direction to apply the known

& theories to a logical test and to conclude there on. Keep

participating......

With

regards,

Sreeram_Srinivas

 

 

, " Ash's Corner "

<kas wrote:

Dear Sreeram,

Can 2 astrologers, take the same shlokes, see the same chart and come

to the same conclusion?

When you talk of vargas, that's were ayanamsa becomes important

otherwise, u are increasing the probability by 16 Charts * 12 houses * Aspects

* Conjunctions * Curses * 9 planets in the least, and I am quite sure

that even if u and sreenadh and sunil and Goel and I were to take all 3 take

the same chart and cast, we will all get different vargas as each one uses a

different ayanamsa.

KAS is nothing but Vedic Astrology only, and the tool used is the

same as u use it, i.e. Yogas (SAV), Aspects (sa ju and ma have 3 aspects rest

have 1), 4:10 i.e. parasparak karak, aspect on House and aspect on

planets. Then Vimshottari dasha is used after getting power of

planet. I do not think, there is anything that I have mentioned above is

not used by any Jyotish.

With KAS, just brings it all home together and gives a numerical

value to gauge the power which everyone is using now. So please do not be

under any misconception that KAS is something totally different from what is

being studied by everyone.

The Samdharmi concept is also what you use, the 4:10 or parasparak

karaka, planets that conjoin, the navamsa depositor of planet, planets that

conjoin in navamsa, planets in same nakshatra. Everyone is using that as

well. There is NOTHING that is different.

So please do not think that KAS is any different than anything

else. Yes, it has fixed rules, on when certain planets will give result

and when it wont.

Otherwise just think over it, how come that chart that I solved or

earlier also that List that was closing i.e. death of a list, how come all

those charts came up with highest power? Is it really co-incident?

Even, just there are 2000+ members on this list, if everyone who is

married checks their chart (yes with Krushna's ayanamsa as degree of moon will

change and so the dasha) then anyone can check if their happy marriage was in 4th

lord or 12th lord dasha, and I am sure more 60+ or more people

who's marriage is happy that law will hold true.

For those who's marriage end in divorce or have not kids or very

delayed then there too there are some laws, too. That can be checked in

all charts. Yes, when such things happen there is more thought, but u can

take any person who has happy marriage, and check the rules for delay and u

will be astonished to find how this works.

Even laws for delay are clear and the procedure to calculate how

much, all given. Mostly I have seen jyotisha's are using intuition for

that.

I have not got a single reply tell me ok Ash, here is the steps,

1) Calculate xyz and this is the procedure to exactly calculate the

delay

2) Subtract abc due to such and such delay being moderated by Guru

3) Etc

4) Etc

5) Etc.

You are a true explorer of Jyotish and I know u will understand my

point.

Ash

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Dear Hari,

Generally , I use 3 level dasa periods for predictive purposes , along with

Transits.

Next three stages are really triky on account of following reasons:

1. It is almost impossible to note down the correctly birth time( Savants do

have difference of

opinion as to which time is to be noted)

2 Generally , Co-ordinates of   city are adopted  and not the exact birth

place

3 AS WE USE SIDEREAL SYSTEM.,

 NO TWO AUTHORITIES ARE WILLING TO AGREE ON AYANAMSA,

INSTEAD THEY GO ON FIGHTING OR SOMETIMES EVEN ABUSING EACH OTHER.

 

UNDER SUCH A SITUATION IT IS DIFFICULT  TO RELY  BEYOND 3rd LEVEL.

The persons who consult me on regular basis , I try to go beyond third level by

rectifying 

the birth time. Once time is set, dasas beyond third level give wonderful

insight on future day-to day happening.

BPHS is a greate help in this regard.

Regards,

 

 

 

 G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

 

 

 

 

Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

Monday, 19 May, 2008 6:37:37 PM

Re: Choice of year length and Ayanamsa

 

 

|om hrim namo bhagavate ramakrishnaaya|

Dear Goel Saab, namaste

 

The meaning of 'deha antardasa in PAD' is the deha antar dasas within the prana

antar dasa. I hope this is clear now.

 

best regards

Hari

 

 

On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

 

Dear Mr. Hari,

I am not able to correctly understand the meaning of words,

'DehA antardasa in PAD "

KINDLY CLARIFY,

Regards,

 

 G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

INDIA

 

 

 

 

Jyotisa Shisya <achyutagaddi

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

Saturday, 17 May, 2008 10:47:29 PM

Re: Choice of year length and Ayanamsa

 

OM NAMO BHAGAVATE VASUDEVAAYA

 

Dear Goel Saab,

 

Namaste. This is a private mail to you; please do not circulate this

to the lists that you are a member of. Thanks.

 

While following the " debate " on ayanamsa, I wanted to check the " test "

case given therein.

 

The " test " case is November 18, 1971, 02:55 AM, Trivandrum, India and

the event is marriage on 24 February 2008 at 11.30 AM. This

corresponds to Kanya lagna, Mesha navamsa lagna, Moon in Visakha 3rd

pada.

 

As per JHora with Chitrapaksha ayanamsa (Vishnu Nabhi plane) using 360

degrees solar year, for the event date I get the following sequence of

Vimsottari dasa upto 6th level:

 

Vimsottari Dasa (started from Moon):

 

Merc MD:  1995-07-01  -  2012-06-30

  Jup AD:  2007-07-16  -  2009-10-23

  Sat PD:  2007-11-05  -  2008-03-12

    Jup SD:  2008-02-24  -  2008-03-12

    Jup PAD:  2008-02-24  -  2008-02-26

 

      Deha-antardasas in this PAD:

 

      Jup:  2008-02-24  -  2008-02-24

      Sat:  2008-02-24  -  2008-02-24 <--------Event took place in this

period.

      Merc:  2008-02-24  -  2008-02-24

      Ket:  2008-02-24  -  2008-02-25

      Ven:  2008-02-25  -  2008-02-25

      Sun:  2008-02-25  -  2008-02-25

      Moon:  2008-02-25  -  2008-02-25

      Mars:  2008-02-25  -  2008-02-25

      Rah:  2008-02-25  -  2008-02-26

 

In other words, the sequence is Me-Ju-Sa|Ju-Ju-Sa with the hora lord

being Sani according to the muhurta chart cast at Trivandrum.

 

Goel Saab, please examine this and give your opinion. I have inserted

a vertical bar between Maha-Antar-Pratyantar and Sookshma antar -

Praana antar - Deha antar because, in my understanding, they require a

different level of interpretation.

 

best regards

Hari

 

PS: We met at SJC Mumbai conference.

 

 

 

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