Taj Mahal - A Hindu Temple? A view from a Westener By John Bacon

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I can tell you as a Westerner, I find this Taj Mahal as a beautiful building and

symbolizing the excess of the Rajahs. It's widely publicized as a tomb for an

Indian Princess. However upon close inspection it seems to be something

different. A while back, some one posted pictures of the apartments in the

building it self. Enough for at least four families. But what I find puzzling,

Are the four " minarets " and the " Onion domes " look suspiciously like Muslim

influence. And the designs on the outside look like something out of the Arabian

nights. It looks for all the world like a Mosque. (no insult intended) There is

a Mosque just up the Highway from me. (They call it an Islamic Center paid for

by the Saudis) I read where The Hindu Empire extended as far west as the Arabian

peninsula. And over time, the natives there gradually took over the religion and

it morphed into Islam. Adopting many of the Hindu faiths symbols and worship

practices. And introduced many of their own. Any

comments?

 

John

 

 

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

 

hare rama krishna

dear sunil bhattacharya ji

 

when i visited rajastan i find most of the mandirs there also has this

artitechture design except minaret s .

 

the so called islamic architechture the preceedent may b taken taj mahal as

model as many of this arab countries were poor and not so devlped .

 

need to probe more into history and architeture also some knowledgeble persons

in grp can answer us .

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

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Hare rama krishna

dear john bacon ji

 

Thanks for ur information .

I also heard so the gr8 Emperor vikramaiditya extented his empire upto arabian peninsula .

Any way how this Minarets happened in most of the arabian islamic culture and architechture .Another example of phallus linga worship ?? other way around ??

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, John Bacon <cincykidd2004 wrote:>> > I can tell you as a Westerner, I find this Taj Mahal as a beautiful building and symbolizing the excess of the Rajahs. It's widely publicized as a tomb for an Indian Princess. However upon close inspection it seems to be something different. A while back, some one posted pictures of the apartments in the building it self. Enough for at least four families. But what I find puzzling, Are the four "minarets" and the "Onion domes" look suspiciously like Muslim influence. And the designs on the outside look like something out of the Arabian nights. It looks for all the world like a Mosque. (no insult intended) There is a Mosque just up the Highway from me. (They call it an Islamic Center paid for by the Saudis) I read where The Hindu Empire extended as far west as the Arabian peninsula. And over time, the natives there gradually took over the religion and it morphed into Islam. Adopting many of the Hindu faiths symbols and worship practices. And introduced many of their own. Any> comments? > > John > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > hare rama krishna > dear sunil bhattacharya ji > > when i visited rajastan i find most of the mandirs there also has this artitechture design except minaret s .> > the so called islamic architechture the preceedent may b taken taj mahal as model as many of this arab countries were poor and not so devlped .> > need to probe more into history and architeture also some knowledgeble persons in grp can answer us .> > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .>

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Dear Sunil Nairji,

 

Namaste,

 

Yes. Homer, around 1200 BCE, mentioned about the Avantas, the soldiers from

Avanti, who went to Greece. The Arabian peninsula was within the empire of the

earlier Vikramaditya. . Thus in the ancient times Indian influence was very

prominent in those regions.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil kumar Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 7/21/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala

Re: Taj Mahal - A Hindu Temple? A view from

a Westener By John Bacon

 

Monday, July 21, 2008, 10:44

 

Hare rama krishna

dear john bacon ji

 

Thanks for ur information .

I also heard so the gr8 Emperor vikramaiditya extented his empire upto arabian

peninsula .

Any way how this Minarets happened in most of the arabian islamic culture and

architechture .Another example of phallus linga worship ?? other way around ??

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, John Bacon <cincykidd2004@

....> wrote:

>

>

> I can tell you as a Westerner, I find this Taj Mahal as a beautiful building

and symbolizing the excess of the Rajahs. It's widely publicized as a tomb for

an Indian Princess. However upon close inspection it seems to be something

different. A while back, some one posted pictures of the apartments in the

building it self. Enough for at least four families. But what I find puzzling,

Are the four " minarets " and the " Onion domes " look suspiciously like Muslim

influence. And the designs on the outside look like something out of the Arabian

nights. It looks for all the world like a Mosque. (no insult intended) There is

a Mosque just up the Highway from me. (They call it an Islamic Center paid for

by the Saudis) I read where The Hindu Empire extended as far west as the Arabian

peninsula. And over time, the natives there gradually took over the religion and

it morphed into Islam. Adopting many of the Hindu faiths symbols and worship

practices. And introduced

many of their own. Any

> comments?

>

> John

>

>

> sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:

>

> hare rama krishna

> dear sunil bhattacharya ji

>

> when i visited rajastan i find most of the mandirs there also has this

artitechture design except minaret s .

>

> the so called islamic architechture the preceedent may b taken taj mahal as

model as many of this arab countries were poor and not so devlped .

>

> need to probe more into history and architeture also some knowledgeble persons

in grp can answer us .

>

> regrds sunil nair

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

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The phallic symbol is one explanation. (if the Muslims heard this they'd freak

out!) Also, the Author William Bramley (The Gods of EDEN) suggested that perhaps

a masque resembles a nuke missile site? May I suggest you read his book? And

look into Zacharia Sitchin's books. He covers ancient India. He has about 12

books out and I've read all of them. More later.

 

John Bacon

 

sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote:

 

Hare rama krishna

dear john bacon ji

 

Thanks for ur information .

I also heard so the gr8 Emperor vikramaiditya extented his empire upto arabian

peninsula .

Any way how this Minarets happened in most of the arabian islamic culture and

architechture .Another example of phallus linga worship ?? other way around ??

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

 

, John Bacon <cincykidd2004

wrote:

>

>

> I can tell you as a Westerner, I find this Taj Mahal as a beautiful building

and symbolizing the excess of the Rajahs. It's widely publicized as a tomb for

an Indian Princess. However upon close inspection it seems to be something

different. A while back, some one posted pictures of the apartments in the

building it self. Enough for at least four families. But what I find puzzling,

Are the four " minarets " and the " Onion domes " look suspiciously like Muslim

influence. And the designs on the outside look like something out of the Arabian

nights. It looks for all the world like a Mosque. (no insult intended) There is

a Mosque just up the Highway from me. (They call it an Islamic Center paid for

by the Saudis) I read where The Hindu Empire extended as far west as the Arabian

peninsula. And over time, the natives there gradually took over the religion and

it morphed into Islam. Adopting many of the Hindu faiths symbols and worship

practices. And introduced many of their own.

Any

> comments?

>

> John

>

>

> sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

> hare rama krishna

> dear sunil bhattacharya ji

>

> when i visited rajastan i find most of the mandirs there also has this

artitechture design except minaret s .

>

> the so called islamic architechture the preceedent may b taken taj mahal as

model as many of this arab countries were poor and not so devlped .

>

> need to probe more into history and architeture also some knowledgeble persons

in grp can answer us .

>

> regrds sunil nair

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

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Hare rama krishna

dear sunil bhattacharya ji

Thanks for those information , i also find some documents which deals some hindu sounding name in greek history ,will look for the document and come back

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> > Dear Sunil Nairji,> > Namaste,> > Yes. Homer, around 1200 BCE, mentioned about the Avantas, the soldiers from Avanti, who went to Greece. The Arabian peninsula was within the empire of the earlier Vikramaditya. . Thus in the ancient times Indian influence was very prominent in those regions.> > Regards,> > Sunil kumar Bhattacharjya> > > > --- On Mon, 7/21/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: Taj Mahal - A Hindu Temple? A view from a Westener By John Bacon> > Monday, July 21, 2008, 10:44> > Hare rama krishna> dear john bacon ji> > Thanks for ur information .> I also heard so the gr8 Emperor vikramaiditya extented his empire upto arabian peninsula .> Any way how this Minarets happened in most of the arabian islamic culture and architechture .Another example of phallus linga worship ?? other way around ??> regrds sunil nair> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, John Bacon <cincykidd2004@ ...> wrote:> >> >> > I can tell you as a Westerner, I find this Taj Mahal as a beautiful building and symbolizing the excess of the Rajahs. It's widely publicized as a tomb for an Indian Princess. However upon close inspection it seems to be something different. A while back, some one posted pictures of the apartments in the building it self. Enough for at least four families. But what I find puzzling, Are the four "minarets" and the "Onion domes" look suspiciously like Muslim influence. And the designs on the outside look like something out of the Arabian nights. It looks for all the world like a Mosque. (no insult intended) There is a Mosque just up the Highway from me. (They call it an Islamic Center paid for by the Saudis) I read where The Hindu Empire extended as far west as the Arabian peninsula. And over time, the natives there gradually took over the religion and it morphed into Islam. Adopting many of the Hindu faiths symbols and worship practices. And introduced> many of their own. Any> > comments?> >> > John

 

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Hare rama krishna

dear John ji

Thanks ,I will try to read those books .

any way can u giv us some idea if ur time allows u .

thanks and regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, John Bacon <cincykidd2004 wrote:>> > > The phallic symbol is one explanation. (if the Muslims heard this they'd freak out!) Also, the Author William Bramley (The Gods of EDEN) suggested that perhaps a masque resembles a nuke missile site? May I suggest you read his book? And look into Zacharia Sitchin's books. He covers ancient India. He has about 12 books out and I've read all of them. More later. > > John Bacon > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > Hare rama krishna > dear john bacon ji > > Thanks for ur information .> I also heard so the gr8 Emperor vikramaiditya extented his empire upto arabian peninsula .> Any way how this Minarets happened in most of the arabian islamic culture and architechture .Another example of phallus linga worship ?? other way around ??> regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > , John Bacon cincykidd2004@ wrote:> >> > > > I can tell you as a Westerner, I find this Taj Mahal as a beautiful building and symbolizing the excess of the Rajahs. It's widely publicized as a tomb for an Indian Princess. However upon close inspection it seems to be something different. A while back, some one posted pictures of the apartments in the building it self. Enough for at least four families. But what I find puzzling, Are the four "minarets" and the "Onion domes" look suspiciously like Muslim influence. And the designs on the outside look like something out of the Arabian nights. It looks for all the world like a Mosque. (no insult intended) There is a Mosque just up the Highway from me. (They call it an Islamic Center paid for by the Saudis) I read where The Hindu Empire extended as far west as the Arabian peninsula. And over time, the natives there gradually took over the religion and it morphed into Islam. Adopting many of the Hindu faiths symbols and worship practices. And introduced many of their own.> Any> > comments? > > > > John > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > hare rama krishna > > dear sunil bhattacharya ji > > > > when i visited rajastan i find most of the mandirs there also has this artitechture design except minaret s .> > > > the so called islamic architechture the preceedent may b taken taj mahal as model as many of this arab countries were poor and not so devlped .> > > > need to probe more into history and architeture also some knowledgeble persons in grp can answer us .> > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> >>

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Hare rama krishna

dear Bhattacharya ji and john ji

 

here is some post i posted in one grp while some discussion where going on and i am producing as it is .

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

Dear group .

 

This is taken from a reserch paper where and waht the european scholar were missing .

enjoy the reading

More in next .

 

regrds sunil nair

 

 

The Greeks and the Indians: Scholars have been divided about the origin of Greeks, but not of Indians. Indian sources assert that Yavanas were degraded Kshatriyas. Bury's notings11 are given for convenience about the Greek origins: 1. The Greek sources themselves accept that Iavana = Iavones (= Yavana) is the oriental name for Greeks.2. The name "Greece" is derived from Graia -> Graii (L) -> Graeci -> Greece and applies to the colonists implying that they came from outside replacing Pelasgians. Though, even Bury records it, he does not mention to which oriental language that orient name belonged. 3. The original coming of the Greeks was utterly forgotten by their descendants, and we are unable to fix the date.4. The old home of the invaders is supposed to have lain in the north-west regions of the Balkan peninsula. 5. The Greeks of history who had completely forgotten this far-distant past were not exclusively the descendants of these Greek invaders.Edward Pococke12 shows how Indians colonized Greece. Col.Tod13 delves on the similarities between Indians and Greeks. C. F. C. Volney14 in his search of lost tribes finds that both belong to the same stock. H. P. Blavatsky15 has been specific about the Indian origin of Greek civilization. Chamanlal16 and other scholars also point out the fact with linguistic, anthropological and archaeological evidences. Only later, they reverse stand is popularized and propagated in textbooks. In any case, as the antiquity of Indians has been well before the advent of the Greeks, only the Indian influence is plausible, probable and possible and not the other way. However, Weber proposed, assuming on the Alexander invasion, that his expedition into India brought about some kind of knowledge of the substance of the Homeric story found its way into India. This clearly proves that the argument was put forward to strengthen the theory of "Alexander invasion of India" and thus show that everything came to India through Greeks thereafter. This syndrome working in them could be noted in the writings of John Bentley, William Jones, Vincent Smith, Heras and others. The occurrence of a list of names of Kamboja, Yavana, saka, Barbara, Mlechchha, Tushara, Harita, Kirata and others in Ramayana was taken as the proof of Greek influence. That Indians and their literature considered Yavanas as their degraded Khastriyas and thus excommunicated people group is not at all denied. Therefore, Indians never considered them alien, in fact, the learned ones were treated with respect (Yavanacharya). Even Sangam Tamil Literature uses "Yavanas" in geographical context without specifically pointing to any people group. Moreover, from the western sources, it is noted that the word "yavana" was never used to denote only "the Greeks". 1. Max Mueller17 himself showed that "yavana" is not the exclusive name of the Greeks or Ionians.2. Goldstucker18 pointed out that "yavanani' as alluded by Panini was in fact referred to the Persian cuneiform alphabet. 3. Of course, Panini19 himself points out the three different meanings prevalent to the word "yavanani".Even in the dramaturgy, chronologically, the Indian drama is traced back to Vedic period (literary evidence – c.4500-3500 BCE), well before the advent of the Greeks in Greece itself (c.,1000 BCE) 20. The archaeological evidences from Indus / Harappan valley, again proves the antiquity of dance and drama to 2500-1950 BCE period21. The philosophy behind the first drama of Persoe Aechylus is traced back to Indian origin based on Zeus and Promethecus discussion22. Therefore, the Greek influence on Valmiki is ruled out and in fact, the Ramayana's influence on other literature has to be studied critically. Many figures in the Sumerian, Akkadian, Babylonian, Kassite, Hittite, Assyrian, Achaemenian, Seleuid or Parthian, Sassanian and other seals make any researcher think about India only, as in no other country such figures are used even today as being used in India23. Particularly, the two or three figures with bow and arrows standing together remind Rama and Lakshmana or with Sita together as depicted in India24. In fact, the occurrences of Indian seals (IVC) in the Middle East and the commercial contact between these civilizations prove25 only the Indian influence. Some of the seals are shown as illustration. How this type of Indian features should figure should be subjected to a separate study.The Mittani who worshipped Vedic gods, belonged to an Indic kingdom that was connected by marriage across several generations to the Egyptian 18th dynastry to which Akhneten (1352-1336 BCE) belonged. The first Mittani King was Sutarna I (good sun). The names of the successors are Indian as listed below: Name of the KingMeaningIn a treaty39 between Mittanians and Hittites dated to 15th – 14th cent.BCE (the Boghkoi inscriptions), the gods Mitrasil, Arunasil, Indar and Nasattyana side by side with Teshup and Hepa have been mentioned. They are nothing but Indian gods – Mithra, Varuna, Indra and the Nasatyas. Teshup and Hepa are local gods. Their kings too had names like Mattiwaza, Tushratta, Mariannu and so on and they are typically Indian. Not only kings have Sanskrit names, their records have many such words denoting day to day to things, goods etc. Few examples are – 1. A text by a Mitannian named Kikkuli uses words such as aika (eka, one), tera (tri, three), panza (pancha, five), satta (sapta, seven), na (nava, nine), vartana (vartana, round).2. Another text has babru (babhru, brown), parita (palita, grey) and pinkara (pingala, red). 3. Their chief festival was the celebration of vishuva (solstice) very much like India.Sutarna IGood sunParatarna IGreat sunParashukshatraRuler with axeSaukshatruSon of Sukshatra, the good ruler Paratarna II,Artatama or RitadhamaAbiding in cosmic lawSutarna IIDasharathaMtivaja or MatiwazzaWhose wealth is prayerHere also Dasharatha is found, why not, historians ignore this reference and deny Ramayana'a influence there? Have scholars been selective in choosing and quoting the inscriptions? In fact, it is evident that Ramayana had been so popular that it was known among the Hittites during c.14th cent.BCE itself. Therefore, the influence on the Greeks is very imminent and factual.

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Dear John Bacon ji, Yes, that is a possibility.Love and regards,Sreenadh , John Bacon <cincykidd2004 wrote:>> > I can tell you as a Westerner, I find this Taj Mahal as a beautiful building and symbolizing the excess of the Rajahs. It's widely publicized as a tomb for an Indian Princess. However upon close inspection it seems to be something different. A while back, some one posted pictures of the apartments in the building it self. Enough for at least four families. But what I find puzzling, Are the four "minarets" and the "Onion domes" look suspiciously like Muslim influence. And the designs on the outside look like something out of the Arabian nights. It looks for all the world like a Mosque. (no insult intended) There is a Mosque just up the Highway from me. (They call it an Islamic Center paid for by the Saudis) I read where The Hindu Empire extended as far west as the Arabian peninsula. And over time, the natives there gradually took over the religion and it morphed into Islam. Adopting many of the Hindu faiths symbols and worship practices. And introduced many of their own. Any> comments? > > John > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > hare rama krishna > dear sunil bhattacharya ji > > when i visited rajastan i find most of the mandirs there also has this artitechture design except minaret s .> > the so called islamic architechture the preceedent may b taken taj mahal as model as many of this arab countries were poor and not so devlped .> > need to probe more into history and architeture also some knowledgeble persons in grp can answer us .> > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .>

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Dear Sir John,

While on this thought, I have heard from elders from Hastinapur also say that the phallic symbol - a Huge Shivlinga rests in the heavily guarded enclosure of Mecca madina, and if a Hindu sprinkles Ganga Jal over this Shiv Linga, then that day would mark the beginning of the end of the Muslim community. Now whether this is true or not God knows.......

regards,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, John Bacon <cincykidd2004 wrote:>> > > The phallic symbol is one explanation. (if the Muslims heard this they'd freak out!) Also, the Author William Bramley (The Gods of EDEN) suggested that perhaps a masque resembles a nuke missile site? May I suggest you read his book? And look into Zacharia Sitchin's books. He covers ancient India. He has about 12 books out and I've read all of them. More later. > > John Bacon > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > Hare rama krishna > dear john bacon ji > > Thanks for ur information .> I also heard so the gr8 Emperor vikramaiditya extented his empire upto arabian peninsula .> Any way how this Minarets happened in most of the arabian islamic culture and architechture .Another example of phallus linga worship ?? other way around ??> regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > , John Bacon cincykidd2004@ wrote:> >> > > > I can tell you as a Westerner, I find this Taj Mahal as a beautiful building and symbolizing the excess of the Rajahs. It's widely publicized as a tomb for an Indian Princess. However upon close inspection it seems to be something different. A while back, some one posted pictures of the apartments in the building it self. Enough for at least four families. But what I find puzzling, Are the four "minarets" and the "Onion domes" look suspiciously like Muslim influence. And the designs on the outside look like something out of the Arabian nights. It looks for all the world like a Mosque. (no insult intended) There is a Mosque just up the Highway from me. (They call it an Islamic Center paid for by the Saudis) I read where The Hindu Empire extended as far west as the Arabian peninsula. And over time, the natives there gradually took over the religion and it morphed into Islam. Adopting many of the Hindu faiths symbols and worship practices. And introduced many of their own.> Any> > comments? > > > > John > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > hare rama krishna > > dear sunil bhattacharya ji > > > > when i visited rajastan i find most of the mandirs there also has this artitechture design except minaret s .> > > > the so called islamic architechture the preceedent may b taken taj mahal as model as many of this arab countries were poor and not so devlped .> > > > need to probe more into history and architeture also some knowledgeble persons in grp can answer us .> > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> >>

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Amongst the stories that I've heard about the Taj Mahal is that when it was finished, the Rajah that had it built ordered that he hands of the craftsman be cut off so that they could not build a building as wonderful as this? Is this true or just an "Urban Legend"? John Sreenadh <sreesog wrote: Dear John Bacon ji, Yes, that is a possibility.Love and regards,Sreenadh , John Bacon <cincykidd2004 wrote:>> > I can tell you as a Westerner, I find this Taj Mahal as a beautiful building and symbolizing the excess of the Rajahs. It's widely publicized as a tomb for an Indian Princess. However upon close inspection it seems to be something different. A while back, some one posted pictures of the apartments in the building it self. Enough for at least four families. But what I find puzzling, Are the four "minarets" and the "Onion domes" look suspiciously like Muslim influence. And the designs on the outside look like something out of the Arabian nights. It looks for all the world like a Mosque. (no insult intended) There is a Mosque just up the Highway from me. (They call it an Islamic Center paid for by the

Saudis) I read where The Hindu Empire extended as far west as the Arabian peninsula. And over time, the natives there gradually took over the religion and it morphed into Islam. Adopting many of the Hindu faiths symbols and worship practices. And introduced many of their own. Any> comments? > > John > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > hare rama krishna > dear sunil bhattacharya ji > > when i visited rajastan i find most of the mandirs there also has this artitechture design except minaret s .> > the so called islamic architechture the preceedent may b taken taj mahal as model as many of this arab countries were poor and not so devlped .> > need to probe more into history and architeture also some knowledgeble persons in grp can answer us .> > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .>