Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Dear Bhaskar ji, > Saints have no past and sinners too have a future!!!That is an excellent saying! Thanks for providing it. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Bhaskar" <rajiventerprises wrote:>> > Dear Sunilji,> > Yes You are right. The natal chart cannot say it all because some Karmas> of the present too would add to the ones in balance. The 3rd, 6th and> the 10th houses are the areas where we are allowed some free will, but> again this would be limited to the extent of results available from the> other houses. The main Pharma is already set, and one can move only in> or uptil the demarcatioon lines allowed. For instance one wishes to die> and commits suicide, but will not get death, if it is not allowed then> and he has to suffer more till this births bindings are completed.> > I would say that it can nearly say all for the normal common man.> > But for a person who is into continous introspection and yogic practises> , a spiritually elevated person, the chart after a point, ceases to be .> > Which is why they say that saints have no past and sinners too have a> future.> > Nevertheless one can fix any current hapenning with the configurations> of the chart and prove that it was already written so, for the common> not spiritually elevated ones.> > rgrds/bhaskar.> > > > > , Sunil Bhattacharjya> sunil_bhattacharjya@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bhaskarji,> >> > Namaste,> >> > << /COZ U CANNOT CHANGE THE WORDS OF GOD WRITTEN AT THE TIME OF> BIRTH.//> >> > where is it written> > that God writes the words at the time of Birth ? If You mean what we> > have heard since childhood, that Brahmaji does so, then please tell us> > why does Brahmaji write good words for some children at birth so that> > they are born healthy and bad words for others who are born> handicapped> > ? On what basis does he make this discrimination ? >>> >> > Yes, you are right. The natal horoscope says about the past karma and> > then one can have projection from that in this life but we must know> > that our karma of this life also comes in the picture. So we will not> > be incorrect if we say that the natal horoscope cannot say it all.> >> >> >> > Regards,> >> >> >> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> >> >> > --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Bhaskar rajiventerprises@ wrote:> > Bhaskar rajiventerprises@> > Re: God's Missiles and Karma> redifined> > > > Monday, July 28, 2008, 9:34 AM> >> > Dear Bhartiji,> >> > My replies to Your comments. Please answer the questions asked, and> take it as a enjoyable experience and not as a threat to your> intelligence or any chalenge. just normal arguments.> >> > // MY BELIEF IS SIMPLE. ONE SHOULD ALWAYS GO WITH THE DESTINY [bHAGAY]> > AND NOT WITH THE KARMA THEORY.//> >> > If you dont accept the Karma theory then how will you explain some> children born with great physical defects while others normal ? Because> God will not do injustice .> >> > If one goes with destiny and not with Karma, then a girl who gets> raped , the rapist must be left free and not sent to jail, because it> was in the girls destiny to get raped. Is it not ?> >> > You say that one must go with destiny, then please say how is this> destiny formed, with which one should go ?> >> > //COZ U CANNOT CHANGE THE WORDS OF GOD WRITTEN AT THE TIME OF BIRTH.//> >> > where is it written that God writes the words at the time of Birth ?> If You mean what we have heard since childhood, that Brahmaji does so,> then please tell us why does Brahmaji write good words for some children> at birth so that they are born healthy and bad words for others who are> born handicapped ? On what basis does he make this discrimination ?> >> > //ALL OF US BELIEVE THAT WHAT SO EVER HAPPENS ON EARTH AND IN OUR> > LIVES IS THE RESULT OF GOD'S WISHES. //> >> > You cannot say that all of us say so. I dont say so.> >> > // WE CANNOT GO AGAINST GOD'S WISH IN OTHER WORDS AGAINST DESTINY.//> >> > On what basis is Gods wish made seperately for one who gets benefic> results all his Life and vice versa for others ? You mean gods wish is> destiny, then do you mean to say that God loves making one person born> crippled or blind ?> >> > //SO KARMA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH OUR DESTINY.//> >> > then what is to do with destiny ? how would you define Destiny ? Or> explain it ? Or tell us how it is formed ?> >> > //U TELL ME THE WAY HOW TO CHANGE OUR DESTINY [bHAGAY]//> >> > It is not easy for normal persons to change destiny. If you can prove> that you are extraordinary person, then it can be explained how to> change ones destiny.> >> > //HERE WE ARE ONLY CONCERNED WITH OUR DESTINY AND HOW TO KNOW IT.ALL> CALCULATIONS ARE DONE MATHMETICALLY. //> >> > You mean God has done Mathematics when he has written our destinies ?> If so then why is this mathematics different for various people around> us ?> >> > // SO TELL ME THE WAY TO KNOW THE FUTURE //> >> > One has to learn astrology or other such sciences to know ones future.> >> > // I KNOW NO BODY CAN CHANGE OUR DESTINY. //> >> > What You know may not be perfect or complete. There are others also> who know many more things. What about them ? What about the knowledge> that they know ? And how can You say that nobody can change our destiny> ? How many have tried in your circle ? How they have tried ? What was> the approach taken to change their destinies ? For how much time period> was this approach done ? At what point did you realise that one cannot> change his destiny ?> >> > // WE HV BEEN SEND ON THIS EARTH TO PERFORM CERTAIN DUTIES> > ASSIGNED BY OUR CREATOR, //> >> > What duties have been assigned to each of us and why ? Why is one> person assigned duty to become a cobbler while the other, a diamond> merchant ?> >> > // AND WE CANNOT GO AGAINST HIS WISH.WHETHER IT IS A CASE OF BIRTH OR> DEATH WE HV TO REALISE THE TRUTH I.E DESTINY. //> >> > How can one say that we are going against His will ?> > HOW DO YOU KNOW WHAT IS HIS WILL ?> > Destiny is the truth. then you mean the truth is finished when one> dies ? since the destiny is over and so must the truth be ? What say ?> >> > best wishes and happy answering,> > Bhaskar.> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Dear Bhaskar ji, Let us leave out the spiritually elevated people from this discussion for the time being. If we talk about people like us in general, what I believe is that - - Span of life is pre-determined by karma - Nature of death is pre-determined by karma - Some close relationships like parents, spouse and children are pre-determined by karma - Some major events in life (like losing ones father/mother/spouse etc) are pedetermined by karma - Everyone has certain degree of free-will, some more and some less, but the degree is again based on karma What does not depend on karma is how one would use the free-will available to him/her. This determines how one would face the different situations in life. " Problems are mandetory and suffering is optional " . Our attitude (is a function of both karma and applied free-will) determines whether we suffer or not in any difficult situation. Actually, Karma and Free-will are very closely related. Let us assume a hypotehtical case where karma is 0 and free-will is 100 in the current birth. Now, whatever is done using this free-will will generate some karma (good or bad) and gets accumilated. And, based on this accumilated karma, the degree of free-will available in the next birth is determined. This is my understanding and belief. Regards, Krishna --- On Tue, 29/7/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Re: God's Missiles and Karma redifined Tuesday, 29 July, 2008, 2:10 AM Dear Sunilji, Yes You are right. The natal chart cannot say it all because some Karmas of the present too would add to the ones in balance. The 3rd, 6th and the 10th houses are the areas where we are allowed some free will, but again this would be limited to the extent of results available from the other houses. The main Pharma  is already set, and one can move only in or uptil the demarcatioon lines allowed. For instance one wishes to die and commits suicide, but will not get death, if it is not allowed then and he has to suffer more till this births bindings are completed. I would say that it can nearly say all for the normal common man. But for a person who is into continous introspection and yogic practises , a spiritually elevated person, the chart after a point, ceases to be . Which is why they say that saints have no past and sinners too have a future. Nevertheless one can fix any current hapenning with the configurations of the chart and prove that it was already written so, for the common not spiritually elevated ones.   rgrds/bhaskar.  Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Dear krishnamurthy ji, // Actually, Karma and Free-will are very closely related.�Let us assume a hypotehtical case where karma is 0 and free-will is 100 in the current birth. Now,�whatever is done using this free-will will generate some karma (good or bad) and gets accumilated. And, based on this accumilated karma, the degree of free-will available in the next birth is determined.�// Yes of course that is what is being tried to put in the heads of those who do not believe in Karma. The case you have put up is the first birth given to our souls, when we are taken away from the whole and given a part to function independantally. After that in all subsequent births , it is just a matter of destiny coupled with some free will to form our approach to these destinies we face. regards, bhaskar. , Krishnamurthy Seetharama <krishna_1998 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > Let us leave out the spiritually elevated people from this discussion for the time being. > > If we talk about people like us in general, what I believe is that - > > - Span of life is pre-determined by karma > - Nature of death is pre-determined by karma > - Some close relationships like parents, spouse and children are pre-determined by karma > - Some major events in life (like losing ones father/mother/spouse etc) are pedetermined by karma > - Everyone has certain degree of free-will, some more and some less, but the degree is again based on karma > > What does not depend on karma is how one would use the free-will available to him/her. This determines how one would face the different situations in life. " Problems are mandetory and suffering is optional " . Our attitude (is a function of both karma and applied free-will) determines whether we suffer or not in any difficult situation. > > Actually, Karma and Free-will are very closely related. Let us assume a hypotehtical case where karma is 0 and free-will is 100 in the current birth. Now, whatever is done using this free-will will generate some karma (good or bad) and gets accumilated. And, based on this accumilated karma, the degree of free-will available in the next birth is determined. > > This is my understanding and belief. > > Regards, > Krishna > > > --- On Tue, 29/7/08, Bhaskar rajiventerprises wrote: > > Bhaskar rajiventerprises > Re: God's Missiles and Karma redifined > > Tuesday, 29 July, 2008, 2:10 AM > > Dear Sunilji, > Yes You are right. The natal chart cannot say it all because some Karmas of the present too would add to the ones in balance. The 3rd, 6th and the 10th houses are the areas where we are allowed some free will, but again this would be limited to the extent of results available from the other houses. The main Pharma  is already set, and one can move only in or uptil the demarcatioon lines allowed. For instance one wishes to die and commits suicide, but will not get death, if it is not allowed then and he has to suffer more till this births bindings are completed. > I would say that it can nearly say all for the normal common man. > But for a person who is into continous introspection and yogic practises , a spiritually elevated person, the chart after a point, ceases to be . > Which is why they say that saints have no past and sinners too have a future. > Nevertheless one can fix any current hapenning with the configurations of the chart and prove that it was already written so, for the common not spiritually elevated ones.   > rgrds/bhaskar. >  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Dear Bhaskar ji,  I am happy to note that we are in sync on this topic of Karma.  Regards, Krishna --- On Tue, 29/7/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Re: God's Missiles and Karma redifined Tuesday, 29 July, 2008, 12:03 PM Dear krishnamurthy ji, // Actually, Karma and Free-will are very closely related.�Let us assume a hypotehtical case where karma is 0 and free-will is 100 in the current birth. Now,�whatever is done using this free-will will generate some karma (good or bad) and gets accumilated. And, based on this accumilated karma, the degree of free-will available in the next birth is determined.�// Yes of course that is what is being tried to put in the heads of those who do not believe in Karma. The case you have put up is the first birth given to our souls, when we are taken away from the whole and given a part to function independantally. After that in all subsequent births , it is just a matter of destiny coupled with some free will to form our approach to these destinies we face. regards, bhaskar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Dear Sreenadh ji, "It is better to assume that - God is responsible for every thing good and bad; and god IS everything good and bad. i.e. Even the good and bad events ARE god; that too is part of existence, divinity." Now please... tell me who is God? Truly..I don't get this. How can we assume something that we have not seen..at least I have not seen. It was you who said that, ........"Karma is just a concept created by human mind to provide a kind of explanation"... Then why not the concept of God be something created by human mind for its own convenience? Please do understand..I don't mean any insult or disrespect to anyone. I am questioning you based on what Buddhism has taught me. Well, we accept that there are gods. Even queen Maya, the mother of Prince Siddhartha was born in 'Thusitha Heaven'...where later, Buddha visited to preach dhamma to her. What we believe is that we are responsible for our own acts. No God can help us to do good or to do bad. Everything revolves around our mind. Mind is the forerunner of all our actions. I'd rather say that mind is 'God'. blessings Renu , "Sreenadh" <sreesog wrote:>> Dear Renu ji,> ==>> > I agree with Bhaskar ji when he says that god is> > not responsible for all calamities.> <==> That is why I said that I disagree. There could be only 2 kind of> statements possible regarding this -> 1) God is responsible for every thing bad (such as calamities etc) and> is also responsible for everything good (happiness, love etc) OR> 2) God is NOT responsible for everything bad (such as calamities etc)> and is also NOT responsible for everything good (happiness, love etc).> [The explanation as you puts it could be - I should be responsible for> my own well being or my own destruction, and not anyone else)> The problem with the second explanation is that it considers ME as an> entity outside God! Thus essentially the argument that does not hold god> NOT responsible all problems but OWN actions assumes that God is NOT> omnipresent! Of course there could be an alternative - i.e. of assuming> that God and Me are synonymous. Only in that situation both the> following statements will become synonymous - 1) God is responsible for> everything good and bad. 2) I am responsible everything good and bad.> [but ofcourse note that the feeling of oneness of a drop as ocean and> stating that "I am responsible for all the turbulences" should not be> taken literally even though a glimpse of truth is in it; But if the> ocean tells that "I am responsible for all the turbulences" then may be> it could be more near to truth; but the ocean never does it because even> the turbulences itself are just part of ocean itself!!!]> So the end note is, It is better to assume that - God is responsible> for every thing good and bad; and god IS everything good and bad. i.e.> Even the good and bad events ARE god; that too is part of existence,> divinity.> Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > , "renunw" renunw@> wrote:> >> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> >> > You have got me wrong. I neither said all divine/good is god nor that> > all bad is not god. I agree with Bhaskar ji when he says that god is> > not responsible for all calamities. At the same time I disagree with> > may be almost everyone here...that god is responsible for all good> > things in the world. I should be responsible for my own well being or> my> > own destruction, and not anyone else. Mind is the forerunner of> > everything. It is our mind that we need to control so that we could> > accept everything with equanimity, whether good or bad.> >> > Returning to 'karma' theory....... at the end even law of karma will> > surrender to natural laws.> >> > "God is the ultimate oneness - within and outside, everywhere"> >> > In this I feel there is some truth worthy of investigating through> > meditation...thanks.> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> >> > blessings> >> > Renu> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Namaste Bhaskarji: It was a nice and satisfactory explanation, thank you for taking your time to illustrate with examples. I loved the comparison of destiny to rain and shield as umbrella. I had a similar thought about the planetary effects. Though Sun is the source of life on Earth, UV rays from the same Sun are damaging and we use sun glasses to sun screen to get protection, like umbrella for rain. Likewise, Planets have good and bad effects and to get protection from the bad effects we should have the prayer and which will protect (at least partially) as a shield. Thanks again, Jaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Namasteji, Talking of UV Rays etc, it reminds us that even Gems act as shields for the beneifc and malefic propensities which one may decide to enhance or reduce, respectively. For gems are the resorvoirs of the Planetary rays in concentrated forms, and one who knows to use them effectively, can benefit from the same. They too act as shields. regards, Bhaskar. , " revati_n27 " <revati_n27 wrote: > > Namaste Bhaskarji: > > It was a nice and satisfactory explanation, thank you for taking your > time to illustrate with examples. I loved the comparison of destiny to > rain and shield as umbrella. > > I had a similar thought about the planetary effects. Though Sun is the > source of life on Earth, UV rays from the same Sun are damaging and we > use sun glasses to sun screen to get protection, like umbrella for > rain. Likewise, Planets have good and bad effects and to get > protection from the bad effects we should have the prayer and which > will protect (at least partially) as a shield. > > Thanks again, > Jaya > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2008 Report Share Posted July 29, 2008 Namaste Bhaskarji, If I may add even the plants and natural products also also offer such protection. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote: Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Re: God's Missiles and Karma redifined Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 11:42 AM Namasteji, Talking of UV Rays etc, it reminds us that even Gems act as shields for the beneifc and malefic propensities which one may decide to enhance or reduce, respectively. For gems are the resorvoirs of the Planetary rays in concentrated forms, and one who knows to use them effectively, can benefit from the same. They too act as shields. regards, Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, " revati_n27 " <revati_n27@ ...> wrote: > > Namaste Bhaskarji: > > It was a nice and satisfactory explanation, thank you for taking your > time to illustrate with examples. I loved the comparison of destiny to > rain and shield as umbrella. > > I had a similar thought about the planetary effects. Though Sun is the > source of life on Earth, UV rays from the same Sun are damaging and we > use sun glasses to sun screen to get protection, like umbrella for > rain. Likewise, Planets have good and bad effects and to get > protection from the bad effects we should have the prayer and which > will protect (at least partially) as a shield. > > Thanks again, > Jaya > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2008 Report Share Posted July 30, 2008 Dear Sunilji, Namaste, Yes they do. You are right. For instance Tulsi leaves or pomengrate ( fruit ). rgrds/Bhaskar. , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Namaste Bhaskarji,> > If I may add even the plants and natural products also also offer such protection.> > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > --- On Tue, 7/29/08, Bhaskar rajiventerprises wrote:> Bhaskar rajiventerprises Re: God's Missiles and Karma redifined> > Tuesday, July 29, 2008, 11:42 AM> > Namasteji,> > > > Talking of UV Rays etc, it reminds us that even Gems act as shields for> > the beneifc and malefic propensities which one may decide to enhance or> > reduce, respectively. For gems are the resorvoirs of the Planetary rays> > in concentrated forms, and one who knows to use them effectively, can> > benefit from the same. They too act as shields.> > > > regards,> > Bhaskar.> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "revati_n27"> > <revati_n27@ ...> wrote:> > >> > > Namaste Bhaskarji:> > >> > > It was a nice and satisfactory explanation, thank you for taking your> > > time to illustrate with examples. I loved the comparison of destiny to> > > rain and shield as umbrella.> > >> > > I had a similar thought about the planetary effects. Though Sun is the> > > source of life on Earth, UV rays from the same Sun are damaging and we> > > use sun glasses to sun screen to get protection, like umbrella for> > > rain. Likewise, Planets have good and bad effects and to get> > > protection from the bad effects we should have the prayer and which> > > will protect (at least partially) as a shield.> > >> > > Thanks again,> > > Jaya> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Sreenadhji: It is very interesting to read your reasoning. But I would like to wait and hear what you have to say after few additions to your family. If you think you are busy now, you will realize what " busy " really means. Enjoy till then. Jaya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 Dear Ravati ji, That was real affectionate mail.. Thanks for that. Ya, I know how the little devils could mess up with my daily routine, and peace of mind. But still a kind of happiness, beauty and enjoyment is there for sure I know. Most possibly then I may realize more intensely that "I am" (because "You are")! ;=)Love and regards,Sreenadh , "revati_n27" <revati_n27 wrote:>> Sreenadhji:> > It is very interesting to read your reasoning. But I would like to > wait and hear what you have to say after few additions to your family. > If you think you are busy now, you will realize what "busy" really > means. Enjoy till then.> Jaya> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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