Wanting Love without beinmg unfaithful to present Love ?

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Dear Bhagavathi ji,

'That is the beauty and greatness of women. If "kanya-hood" is lost, it is lost for ever. A man has to control his senses and not lose "anything else" to lose his brahmachari stage."

Nicely said.....even nature/god has given an opportunity to women to show 'her' greatness..

blessings

Renu

, "bhagavathi_hariharan" <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:>> Dear Renuji,> > That is the beauty and greatness of women. If "kanya-hood" is lost, > it is lost for ever. A man has to control his senses and not > lose "anything else" to lose his brahmachari stage. But even then, > once married he is referred to as grahastha, he will become a sanyasi > if he renounces his family but can practise brahmachari type of life > again, but women can never become a kanya again. > > It is objectionable for a grahastha to renounce the family and return > to the family again, it is also considered a sin. The story of Sant > Jnyaneshwar highlights the importance of the duty of a grahastha and > brahmachari. My sanskrit teacher had vowed to be a brahmachari, he > never married, a double MA in english and sanskrit, all his life was > research in sanskrit, ancient works and not to mention take care of > his mother. > > > Rgds,> > bhagavathi> > > > > > > > > , "renunw" > renunw@ wrote:> >> > Dear Bhagavathi ji,> > > > Thanks...if you are sure about it I will consider this as correct:)> > What I thought was though virgin is a girl untouched by a man and > > brahmachari is a celebate man, which can be at any stage of > > life...even after marriage.> > > > I searched for the song in the website given...but could not find > > it. I will search more during my leisure...thanks again.> > > > blessings> > > > Renu> > > > > > , "bhagavathi_hariharan" > > <bhagavathi_hariharan@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Renuji,> > > > > > Yes, Brahmachari is the right opposite for Kanya. Brahmachari is > > that > > > stage of the life of a man,When he vows to be a celibate, while > > kanya > > > is the time the girl is a virgin, after marriage, the brahmachari > > > becomes a Grahastha. The greatest Brahmachari ever known > > > was "Bheeshma Pitamah" of Mahabharat. I am sure, Sunil Nairji > > would > > > explain this much better than me.> > > > > > Regardibg the hindi song, if you got to www.smashits.com, and put > > > brahmachari in the song search, you can find the song which I > > > mentioned. You can enjoy the golden oldies> > > > > > Regards,> > > > > > bhagavathi> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "renunw" > > > <renunw@> wrote:> > > >> > > > Dear Bhagavathi ji,> > > > > > > > Thanks for the clarification and also for beautiful lyrics of a > > > > song. I am sure if you hum the tune.... I will recognize the > > song > > > > since many Hindi song hits are popular here too > > > > > > > > But I wonder whether Brahmachari is the correct word for > > > > this. 'Kanya' means a virgin, as to my knowldege, and > > brahmachari > > > > need not be a virgin. Anyway I was more concerned about the > > > > VKY...and thanks for your response.> > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > > > > > , "bhagavathi_hariharan" > > > > <bhagavathi_hariharan@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Renuji,> > > > > > > > > > The opposite of "kanya" is "brahmachari". I do not think the > > yoga > > > > > goes by that name for men, as far a I heard it gives the same > > > > effects > > > > > for men and women.> > > > > > > > > > There is a popular hindi movie song of yester years, if you > > are > > > > not > > > > > aware- tu baal brahmachari, main hoon kanyakumari- meaning, > > you > > > > are a > > > > > young brahmachari and I am a kanya girl.> > > > > > > > > > Rgds,> > > > > > > > > > bhagavathi > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "renunw" > > > > > <renunw@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Dear learned astrologers,> > > > > > > > > > > > Would anyone kindly tell me whether there is a > > similar/parallel > > > > > > dosha to 'Visha Kanya Dosha'...applicable to men? What > would > > be > > > > the > > > > > > name given to such yoga if there is > > one..."Visha .......Yoga"? > > > > > > Kindly tell me the opposite word of 'Kanya' too.> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks...> > > > > > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > > > You have brought me to very interesting notes on my > > > > > listing 'Visha > > > > > > Kanya Dhosha' which will never take a couple to a happy > > wedded > > > > life:> > > > > > > 1) Any girl born in the combination of Saturday, > Aslesha, > > > > > > dwithiya thithi.> > > > > > > 2) Any girl born in the combination of Sunday, > Sathabisha > > > and > > > > > > Dwadesi thithi> > > > > > > 3) Any girl born on Tuesday in Vishaka Nakshathra and > > > > Sapthami > > > > > > thithi,> > > > > > > 4) If a Benefic as well as a malefic planet occupy the > > > > Ascendant > > > > > > and two malefiocs are in the sixth house, the girl born, is > > a > > > > Visha > > > > > > Kanya.> > > > > > > 5) If a girl is born when the Sun is in the 5th house, > > > Saturn > > > > is > > > > > > in Lagna, and Mars occupies the 9th house, she will ba > > a 'Visha > > > > > > Kanya'.> > > > > > > 6) If the Lunar day is 7th falling on a tuesday and > > > > Sathabisha > > > > > > ruling on that day or if Lunar day is 12th falling on > Sunday > > > > ruled > > > > > > by Karthika the gir becomes 'Visha kannika'> > > > > > > These Dosha's will be nullified , if the Lord of the 7th > > > house > > > > or > > > > > > a powerful benefic, is postioned in the 7th house.> > > > > > > These details may be considered for leading to the > unhappy > > > > wedded > > > > > > partners.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Friday, August 1, 2008 3:45:18 PM> > > > > > > Wanting Love without > > > > beinmg > > > > > > unfaithful to present Love ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned astrologers,> > > > > > > What would be the combinations in a Horoscope where a > > husband > > > > or > > > > > > wife are not able to receive complete Love from their > > partners, > > > > and > > > > > > they are waiting for true Love to appear in their Lives , > > > > without > > > > > > wanting to become unfaithful to their spouses, and also > > without > > > > > > going out of the way to search for Love which would satisfy > > > > them , > > > > > > at the same time, ready, if true Love appears, to take it, > > > again > > > > > > without wanting to leave their partners ???> > > > > > > I will specify in brief -> > > > > > > A husband or wife not unsatisfied, but not even > satsified, > > > not > > > > > > wanting to be unfaithful to his-her spouse, yet would > accept > > > > true > > > > > > love, if appears in his-her Life.> > > > > > > I dont know what could be the combinations for above. It > > > seems > > > > a > > > > > > husband or wife not wishing to be unfatithful to their > > existing > > > > > > partners, yet wanting some Love in their lives, to > > complete > > > > their > > > > > > physical as well as their atmic or soul desires. Even if > not > > > > > wanting > > > > > > such love on purpose, but yet ready to accept it, if > > available .> > > > > > > Is this the meaning of twin > > > > > > souls ???? Or a normal soul > > in > > > > > > search for his - her twin Soul ???> > > > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Bhaskarji is correct. Brahmachari is a word specifically denotes the Student who studies Veda. Brahman is all pervading Almighty. Veda is also called Brahmam. So a celebate who strive for realisation is a Brahmachari. A vedic student is also Brahmachari. In the Ashrama system after the completion of studies the student is expected to complete his Brahmacharya Vratha after finishing the studies and then enter in to Grihasta Ashrama. No one is expected to be an Amashrami--with out undertaking any Ashrama. As Upanayana is entering in to Brhmachary Ashrama the Hindu Marriage is the ceremony for entering in to Grehasta Ashrama. That is why the the practise of performing Vratha on the previous day to the marriage. That is called Brahmacharya Samapana Vratha. An Anashrami is not respescted in the ancient Society. Kanya is a word to

specify an eight year girl. A girl of 12 years or after attaining puberty she is called Kumari. When married Vadu , then Stree.

But ln practise the social system has changed and meanings also differ.

With regards.

 

Hari.Venkataraman

 

--- On Sat, 2/8/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote:

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Re:Wanting Love without beinmg unfaithful to present Love ? Date: Saturday, 2 August, 2008, 8:53 PM

 

 

 

Dear all,

I dont think that ' brahmachari' can be the exact opposite of " Kanya ".

The brahmachari word immediately sends a single that this person is not going to marry. While using the word kanya, nobody thinks so.

In normal life too, we never use the word 'bramachari' for the boy who is not married uptil now. But we use the word "Kanya' often.

" Brahmachari' word is strictly meant to suggest a celibate. it does not suggest that there is going to be change in this status. while we talk of " Kanya " no one thinks that she is not going to marry.

since i was not searching for the opposite word for kanya, do not ask me what it is. i do not know. but i am not satisfied with this word bramachari as its opposite.

The above is my personal view.

bhaskar.

ancient_indian_ astrology, "bhagavathi_ hariharan" <bhagavathi_harihara n wrote:>> Dear Renuji,> > Yes, Brahmachari is the right opposite for Kanya. Brahmachari is that > stage of the life of a man,When he vows to be a celibate, while kanya > is the time the girl is a virgin, after marriage, the brahmachari > becomes a Grahastha. The greatest Brahmachari ever known > was "Bheeshma Pitamah" of Mahabharat. I am sure, Sunil Nairji would > explain this much better than me.> > Regardibg the hindi song, if you got to www.smashits. com, and put > brahmachari in the song search, you can find the song which I > mentioned. You can enjoy the golden oldies> > Regards,> > bhagavathi> > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" > renunw@

wrote:> >> > Dear Bhagavathi ji,> > > > Thanks for the clarification and also for beautiful lyrics of a > > song. I am sure if you hum the tune.... I will recognize the song > > since many Hindi song hits are popular here too > > > > But I wonder whether Brahmachari is the correct word for > > this. 'Kanya' means a virgin, as to my knowldege, and brahmachari > > need not be a virgin. Anyway I was more concerned about the > > VKY...and thanks for your response.> > > > blessings> > > > Renu> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "bhagavathi_ hariharan" > > <bhagavathi_harihara n@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Renuji,> > > > > > The opposite of "kanya" is "brahmachari" . I do not think the yoga

> > > goes by that name for men, as far a I heard it gives the same > > effects > > > for men and women.> > > > > > There is a popular hindi movie song of yester years, if you are > > not > > > aware- tu baal brahmachari, main hoon kanyakumari- meaning, you > > are a > > > young brahmachari and I am a kanya girl.> > > > > > Rgds,> > > > > > bhagavathi > > > > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "renunw" > > > <renunw@> wrote:> > > >> > > > > > > > Dear learned astrologers,> > > > > > > > Would anyone kindly tell me whether there is a similar/parallel > > > > dosha to 'Visha Kanya Dosha'...applicable to men? What would

be > > the > > > > name given to such yoga if there is one..."Visha .......Yoga" ? > > > > Kindly tell me the opposite word of 'Kanya' too.> > > > > > > > Thanks...> > > > > > > > blessings> > > > > > > > Renu> > > > > > > > <pathiav@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Bhaskar ji,> > > > > You have brought me to very interesting notes on my > > > listing 'Visha > > > > Kanya Dhosha' which will never take a couple to a happy wedded > > life:> > > > > 1) Any girl born in the combination of Saturday, Aslesha, > > > > dwithiya thithi.> > > > > 2) Any girl born in the combination of Sunday, Sathabisha > and > >

> > Dwadesi thithi> > > > > 3) Any girl born on Tuesday in Vishaka Nakshathra and > > Sapthami > > > > thithi,> > > > > 4) If a Benefic as well as a malefic planet occupy the > > Ascendant > > > > and two malefiocs are in the sixth house, the girl born, is a > > Visha > > > > Kanya.> > > > > 5) If a girl is born when the Sun is in the 5th house, > Saturn > > is > > > > in Lagna, and Mars occupies the 9th house, she will ba a 'Visha > > > > Kanya'.> > > > > 6) If the Lunar day is 7th falling on a tuesday and > > Sathabisha > > > > ruling on that day or if Lunar day is 12th falling on Sunday > > ruled > > > > by Karthika the gir becomes 'Visha kannika'> > >

> > These Dosha's will be nullified , if the Lord of the 7th > house > > or > > > > a powerful benefic, is postioned in the 7th house.> > > > > These details may be considered for leading to the unhappy > > wedded > > > > partners.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@>> > > > > To:

ancient_indian_ astrology> > > > > Friday, August 1, 2008 3:45:18 PM> > > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Wanting Love without > > beinmg > > > > unfaithful to present Love ?> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Learned astrologers,> > > > > What would be the combinations in a Horoscope where a husband > > or > > > > wife are not able to receive complete Love from their partners, > > and > > > > they are waiting for true Love to appear in their Lives , > > without > > > > wanting to become unfaithful to their spouses, and also without > > > > going out of the way to search for Love which would satisfy > > them , > > > > at the same time, ready, if true Love appears, to

take it, > again > > > > without wanting to leave their partners ???> > > > > I will specify in brief -> > > > > A husband or wife not unsatisfied, but not even satsified, > not > > > > wanting to be unfaithful to his-her spouse, yet would accept > > true > > > > love, if appears in his-her Life.> > > > > I dont know what could be the combinations for above. It > seems > > a > > > > husband or wife not wishing to be unfatithful to their existing > > > > partners, yet wanting some Love in their lives, to complete > > their > > > > physical as well as their atmic or soul desires. Even if not > > > wanting > > > > such love on purpose, but yet ready to accept it, if available .> > > > > Is

this the meaning of twin > > > > souls ???? Or a normal soul in > > > > search for his - her twin Soul ???> > > > > Bhaskar.> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

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Dear Sunil Nair ji,

 

Few days back there was some discussion about Venus in house 12 in navamsha

being a very favourable combination. At that time I had asked you about some

remarks of yours that this is a bad combination and leads to secret affairs

which end in a bad way........ (I have attached that email chain to tail end of

this one for reference.

 

In the attached document from email of Goel ji it says in section B regarding

combinations for disruption of marriage:

 

The native seeks sexual pleasure outside marriage, if upapad is in 12th house

from Arudh Lagna or Venus is in 12th House in Navamsa chart. This is a

comination, which creates the inclination to reject the spouse.

 

I just wanted to communicate that I have often read this type of statement that

person with Venus in 12th in Navamsha lead to secret sex life outside marriage.

Later I will not remember which mail and so cannot forward or give msg number.

 

The statement must have never been made by you and it was just a general

impression on my mind that I attributed it to you since I mostly follow your

emails with great interest (like eklavya - silent learner from afar). Anyhow,

please accept my apologies for confusion caused that time.

 

Thanks,

Ramesh

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote:

 

Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937

Re: Wanting Love without beinmg unfaithful

to present Love ?

 

Saturday, 2 August, 2008, 7:57 PM

 

 

Dear Bhaskar ji and Members,

Some times back I have prepared a paper on marriage problems.

This paper is attached for the study and comments of savants.

Regards,

 G.K.GOEL

 

 

 

 

Hare rama krishna

dear ramesh ji

i think u dont read my reminder properly ,wat i write is that the question ( the

main tread )  was based on venus in 12th house in Navamsa chart .

other wise planets in 12th can deal with expenditure based on karakatwa ,

12th is also house of expenditure ,so good planets can giv good spending habbits

,may giv good investments for better future etc ( even expenditure for moksha

activities )

venus in 12th also can make a person to spend on perfumes and costly comfortable

items

Bhavarta ratnakara says planets in 12th can giv benefit frm karaka ,so venus may

giv benefit from oppo sex .

where as a karaka placed in 12th house means the results are hidden frm u .

Now  ur question abt 7th L in 12th house .

a planet is dual in nature ,so if meena lagna and merc in 12th house

here 4th L and 7th L in 12th house .so it will giv all the 3 results mainly

 ,4th L in 12th house ,7th L in 12th HOuse ,same time a karaka  planet in 12th

house ,merc in 12th house ,etc ,so many layers we need to put in .again results

has to  modify depends on aspects and strnghts and etc etc ..also take sub

periods and thier sambantha running  .

 

Now i wanted to remind u some thing ,when we discuss some thing ,pls discuss the

matter,and stick to tread ( i actualy dont like this attitude too ,as simply

question and learn ,let him say attitude where as we r all here to discuss and

reserch and hence i was doing my duty to remind u abt those celibrity charts etc

etc )  and dont bring in or pull in extra baggage  items in discussion and that

is not showing a leraner and dicusser in mature and healthy way .

 

i dont know which posts u r assigning to my name ,if u can giv messge nos i will

b most happiest person in earth .

 

Next time when u r replying  pls do ur home work and stick to discussion treads

..Other wise atleast as a grp memebr i need to intervene it .U r always free 2

 open a diffrnt tread and start discussion ,

 

so hope this time at least u will understand wat is the mission and why  we r

gathered here .

 

rgeds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Nadi Research <nadiresearch@

....> wrote:

>

> Namaste Sunil ji,

>  

> As I understand that you go by theories and then apply it to several charts

before accepting it.....  If I am not mistaken, you yourself have mentioned a

few times before in this forum (I do not have messge numbers with me) that Venus

in 12th is a very bad placement for native's marriage and leads to extra

marital/secret affairs (like affairs of movies which are away from public eye

and these end badly). But now we learn that Venus in 12th is the best placement

which is confusing.

>  

> Also, a quick question - is effect of 7HL in 12th house the same and will it

give happiness, richness and great bed pleasure during the dasha of the 7th HL

(I understand that single placement/house/ planet is not deciding factor but

only one point in big scheme of things..... however brick by brick only we can

build the wall of understanding in any chart and each point is important).

>

>  

> Thanks & Regards,

> Ramesh

>

>

> --- On Sat, 7/19/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:

>

> sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 12th house matters

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Saturday, July 19, 2008, 2:01 PM

>

 

> Hare rama krishna

> dear ramesh ji

>    if u re read the tread the question was raised by our one of the prominent

memebr on placement of venus in Navamsa charts and its results .

> i also know that the SJC grp promotes such 1000s of theoreys ,and never find

working in actual charts .

> Now i hav a small request to u .let us leav all this celibrities unless we r

getting a confirmed birth time ( like it happened in case of roger federer ,our

another grp memebr got this infomation directly frm his mother ( sri pradeep (

vijayadas pradeep ) and he passed on to sri KN rao ji too and rogerer federer s

sliding profession become one of the succesful predictions of sri Rao ji .

>  

> So let us test any vedic astrology or even any stream of astrology with known

and confirmed charts .

> so what u think ??Hope u will take this in right spirit .

>  

> Dear memebr i am talking frm my exprnce ,u can take it or reject it

>  

> regrds sunil nair

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, ramesh tendulkar

ram_t_1968@ ..> wrote:

> >

> > Here is a nice article on Venus in 12th. Examples include Jaggi Vasudev, Sri

Sri Ravishankar and Osho.

> >

> > " With Venus in the Twelfth House the areas of life where you are most

> > likely to express your social, romantic and artistic qualities are

> > through a love of quiet and seclusion to peruse personal or secret

> > study and meditation - probably of a spiritual nature. Personal and

> > social contacts often are secretive, and there can be secret love

> > affairs. Social inhibitions or shyness can lead to some loneliness or

> > romantic frustration. ... "

> >

> > Also a note on Jupiter in 12th, like Bill Gates, Warren Buffet et al

> >

> > " With Jupiter in the Twelfth House you will find luck, ease of working

> > and general good fortune coming through spiritual work, literature,

> > art, poetry, religion or stage and screen work. Inspiration, support

> > and guidance may come from an inner search for spiritual fulfilment -

> > in the form of meditation, seclusion and introspective study. At some

> > stage of life you may make a great personal sacrifice in order to

> > fulfill your ideal of worthwhile service, perhaps through asylums,

> > hospitals or public institutions. There is likely to be an interest in

> > medicine, chemistry, healing and metaphysical or occult studies - you

> > have a healthy respect for ancient wisdom and the more profound

> > teachings... . "

> >

> >

> > Nadi guys make a killing, with the 12th Kaandam.

> >

> > Amma Saranam!

> >

> > Regards

> > Ramesh

> >

> >

> >

> > Bhaskar rajiventerprises@ ...

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Friday, 18 July, 2008 2:35:38 PM

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Rectification of birth time.

> >

> >

> > Dear Su,

> > Venus in 12th is considered to be one of the best placements for Venus as

per the Traditional rules for bed pleasures.

> > The exception can only be if the Venus is associated to a malefic , or

aspected by a malefic.

> > Otherwise Venus would give richness, happiness and sexual enjoyments.

> > The above results are mentioned in the Phaldeepika, Chamatkar Chintamani and

Brihat Jataka.

> > regards,

> > Bhaskar.

> >

>

_

[Guest guest]

dear Mr.sivaraman,

the book " stree jataka " by Smt.K.N.saraswathi is quite informative and more

useful for

studying marriage compatibility of charts.  It reveals the nature of the female.

k.gopu

 

 

 

--- On Sat, 8/2/08, Sivaraman S <swathiram37 wrote:

 

Sivaraman S <swathiram37

Re:Wanting Love without beinmg unfaithful to

present Love ?

 

Saturday, August 2, 2008, 5:49 PM

 

Dear Gopuji,

 

      This is regarding publications of astro books by Smt. K.N.Saraswathiji. I

would like to have your opinion about the same. I am in the process of 

collecting varius astrology books for refence. I will be much obliged for your

reply

 

  S.Sivaraman

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear nadi resercher ramesh

is this is the same way u do ur nadi reserch too,where is my comments of venus in 12th in navmsa ,cant u understand simple english and understand that i was telling abt rasi position of venus .

if u are on a mission here i dont hav any worry ,Here as far as i can remebr we dont done any discussion on planets in seperate houses for navamsa .

now u put some attachment ( if its wat u ascribe to me ) i would like to tell u ,i cannot b father to others children .U better ask him who said abt it .but we require here astro content than accusing some one who ever he is .or ur mails will not appear lime lite in this grp .

 

hope u got some illumination

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, Nadi Research <nadiresearch wrote:>> Dear Sunil Nair ji,> > Few days back there was some discussion about Venus in house 12 in navamsha being a very favourable combination. At that time I had asked you about some remarks of yours that this is a bad combination and leads to secret affairs which end in a bad way........ (I have attached that email chain to tail end of this one for reference.> > In the attached document from email of Goel ji it says in section B regarding combinations for disruption of marriage:> > The native seeks sexual pleasure outside marriage, if upapad is in 12th house from Arudh Lagna or Venus is in 12th House in Navamsa chart. This is a comination, which creates the inclination to reject the spouse.> > I just wanted to communicate that I have often read this type of statement that person with Venus in 12th in Navamsha lead to secret sex life outside marriage. Later I will not remember which mail and so cannot forward or give msg number.> > The statement must have never been made by you and it was just a general impression on my mind that I attributed it to you since I mostly follow your emails with great interest (like eklavya - silent learner from afar). Anyhow, please accept my apologies for confusion caused that time.> > Thanks,> Ramesh> > > > > > > > --- On Sat, 8/2/08, Gopal Goel gkgoel1937 wrote:> > Gopal Goel gkgoel1937 Re: Wanting Love without beinmg unfaithful to present Love ?> > Saturday, 2 August, 2008, 7:57 PM> > > Dear Bhaskar ji and Members,> Some times back I have prepared a paper on marriage problems.> This paper is attached for the study and comments of savants.> Regards,> G.K.GOEL> > > > > Hare rama krishna> dear ramesh ji> i think u dont read my reminder properly ,wat i write is that the question ( the main tread ) was based on venus in 12th house in Navamsa chart .> other wise planets in 12th can deal with expenditure based on karakatwa ,> 12th is also house of expenditure ,so good planets can giv good spending habbits ,may giv good investments for better future etc ( even expenditure for moksha activities )> venus in 12th also can make a person to spend on perfumes and costly comfortable items> Bhavarta ratnakara says planets in 12th can giv benefit frm karaka ,so venus may giv benefit from oppo sex .> where as a karaka placed in 12th house means the results are hidden frm u .> Now ur question abt 7th L in 12th house .> a planet is dual in nature ,so if meena lagna and merc in 12th house> here 4th L and 7th L in 12th house .so it will giv all the 3 results mainly ,4th L in 12th house ,7th L in 12th HOuse ,same time a karaka planet in 12th house ,merc in 12th house ,etc ,so many layers we need to put in .again results has to modify depends on aspects and strnghts and etc etc ..also take sub periods and thier sambantha running .> > Now i wanted to remind u some thing ,when we discuss some thing ,pls discuss the matter,and stick to tread ( i actualy dont like this attitude too ,as simply question and learn ,let him say attitude where as we r all here to discuss and reserch and hence i was doing my duty to remind u abt those celibrity charts etc etc ) and dont bring in or pull in extra baggage items in discussion and that is not showing a leraner and dicusser in mature and healthy way .> > i dont know which posts u r assigning to my name ,if u can giv messge nos i will b most happiest person in earth .> > Next time when u r replying pls do ur home work and stick to discussion treads .Other wise atleast as a grp memebr i need to intervene it .U r always free 2 open a diffrnt tread and start discussion ,> > so hope this time at least u will understand wat is the mission and why we r gathered here .> > rgeds sunil nair> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, Nadi Research <nadiresearch@ ...> wrote:> >> > Namaste Sunil ji,> > > > As I understand that you go by theories and then apply it to several charts before accepting it..... If I am not mistaken, you yourself have mentioned a few times before in this forum (I do not have messge numbers with me) that Venus in 12th is a very bad placement for native's marriage and leads to extra marital/secret affairs (like affairs of movies which are away from public eye and these end badly). But now we learn that Venus in 12th is the best placement which is confusing.> > > > Also, a quick question - is effect of 7HL in 12th house the same and will it give happiness, richness and great bed pleasure during the dasha of the 7th HL (I understand that single placement/house/ planet is not deciding factor but only one point in big scheme of things..... however brick by brick only we can build the wall of understanding in any chart and each point is important).> >> > > > Thanks & Regards,> > Ramesh> >> >> > --- On Sat, 7/19/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote:> >> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: 12th house matters> > ancient_indian_ astrology> > Saturday, July 19, 2008, 2:01 PM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > Hare rama krishna> > dear ramesh ji> > if u re read the tread the question was raised by our one of the prominent memebr on placement of venus in Navamsa charts and its results .> > i also know that the SJC grp promotes such 1000s of theoreys ,and never find working in actual charts .> > Now i hav a small request to u .let us leav all this celibrities unless we r getting a confirmed birth time ( like it happened in case of roger federer ,our another grp memebr got this infomation directly frm his mother ( sri pradeep ( vijayadas pradeep ) and he passed on to sri KN rao ji too and rogerer federer s sliding profession become one of the succesful predictions of sri Rao ji .> > > > So let us test any vedic astrology or even any stream of astrology with known and confirmed charts .> > so what u think ??Hope u will take this in right spirit .> > > > Dear memebr i am talking frm my exprnce ,u can take it or reject it> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, ramesh tendulkar ram_t_1968@ ..> wrote:> > >> > > Here is a nice article on Venus in 12th. Examples include Jaggi Vasudev, Sri Sri Ravishankar and Osho.> > >> > > "With Venus in the Twelfth House the areas of life where you are most> > > likely to express your social, romantic and artistic qualities are> > > through a love of quiet and seclusion to peruse personal or secret> > > study and meditation - probably of a spiritual nature. Personal and> > > social contacts often are secretive, and there can be secret love> > > affairs. Social inhibitions or shyness can lead to some loneliness or> > > romantic frustration. ..."> > >> > > Also a note on Jupiter in 12th, like Bill Gates, Warren Buffet et al> > >> > > "With Jupiter in the Twelfth House you will find luck, ease of working> > > and general good fortune coming through spiritual work, literature,> > > art, poetry, religion or stage and screen work. Inspiration, support> > > and guidance may come from an inner search for spiritual fulfilment -> > > in the form of meditation, seclusion and introspective study. At some> > > stage of life you may make a great personal sacrifice in order to> > > fulfill your ideal of worthwhile service, perhaps through asylums,> > > hospitals or public institutions. There is likely to be an interest in> > > medicine, chemistry, healing and metaphysical or occult studies - you> > > have a healthy respect for ancient wisdom and the more profound> > > teachings... . "> > >> > >> > > Nadi guys make a killing, with the 12th Kaandam.> > >> > > Amma Saranam!> > >> > > Regards> > > Ramesh> > >> > >> > > > > > Bhaskar rajiventerprises@ ...> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, 18 July, 2008 2:35:38 PM> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Rectification of birth time.> > >> > >> > > Dear Su,> > > Venus in 12th is considered to be one of the best placements for Venus as per the Traditional rules for bed pleasures.> > > The exception can only be if the Venus is associated to a malefic , or aspected by a malefic.> > > Otherwise Venus would give richness, happiness and sexual enjoyments.> > > The above results are mentioned in the Phaldeepika, Chamatkar Chintamani and Brihat Jataka.> > > regards,> > > Bhaskar.> > >> >> _>

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Dear all,

This mail by Shri Venkatramanji Hari, is a authentic and educative one.

It is packed with the right meaning of the word " bhramachari " . I did

some look up about this word in the sanskrit dictionary, I found the

meaning similiar to what Shri Venkatramanji has written. regards,

bhaskar.

 

, Venkataraman Hari

<venkataraman_hari wrote:

>

> Bhaskarji is correct. Brahmachari is a word specifically denotes

the Student who studies Veda. Brahman is all pervading Almighty. Veda is

also called Brahmam. So a celebate who strive for realisation is a

Brahmachari. A vedic student is also Brahmachari. In the Ashrama system

after the completion of studies the student is expected to complete his

Brahmacharya Vratha after finishing the studies and then enter in to

Grihasta Ashrama. No one is expected to be an Amashrami--with out

undertaking any Ashrama. As Upanayana is entering in to Brhmachary

Ashrama the Hindu Marriage is the ceremony for entering in to Grehasta

Ashrama. That is why the the practise of performing Vratha on the

previous day to the marriage. That is called Brahmacharya Samapana

Vratha. An Anashrami is not respescted in the ancient Society.

Kanya is a word to specify an eight year girl. A girl of 12 years

or after attaining puberty she is called Kumari. When married Vadu ,

then

> Stree.

> But ln practise the social system has changed and meanings also

differ.

 

With regards.

 

Hari.Venkataraman

[Guest guest]

Respectful Madam,

Not to my knowledge!

However, I have many topics (group of horoscopes) collected by me and list is

here below!:

Multiple Marriages: Impotancy in boy's horoscope ; Preventing Pregnancy :

Childlessness : Bala Arishta : Vrudhdha rohas :: Sexual ailments : Loosing limbs

in accident/sickness ; Preventing birth of male child : Loose morals in Men : 

Love marriages : Divorce : Female Horoscpes with special reference to the

planetary positions in respect of (i) good prosperity (ii) widowhood (iii)

Chastity (iv) Loose morals (v) prostitution and adultary (vi) Late marriages.

If you ask me to pull any of them or on some more topics, the whole lot of files

have to be looked into and certainly will take long long time !!!!

 

 

 A.V.Pathi,                                      

 

renunw <renunw

 

Friday, August 1, 2008 10:17:30 PM

Re:Wanting Love without beinmg unfaithful to

present Love ?

 

 

 

Dear learned astrologers,

 

Would anyone kindly tell me whether there is a similar/parallel

dosha to 'Visha Kanya Dosha'...applicable to men? What would be the

name given to such yoga if there is one... " Visha .......Yoga " ?

Kindly tell me the opposite word of 'Kanya' too.

 

Thanks...

 

blessings

 

Renu

 

<pathiav > wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskar ji,

> You have brought me to very interesting notes on my listing 'Visha

Kanya Dhosha' which will never take a couple to a happy wedded life:

> 1)  Any girl born in the combination of Saturday, Aslesha,

dwithiya thithi.

> 2)  Any girl born in the combination of Sunday, Sathabisha and

Dwadesi thithi

> 3)  Any girl born on Tuesday in Vishaka Nakshathra  and Sapthami

thithi,

> 4)  If a Benefic as well as a malefic planet occupy the Ascendant

and two malefiocs are in the sixth house, the girl born, is a Visha

Kanya.

> 5)  If a girl is born when the Sun is in the 5th house, Saturn is

in Lagna, and Mars occupies the 9th house, she will ba a 'Visha

Kanya'.

> 6)  If the Lunar day is 7th falling on a tuesday and Sathabisha

ruling on that day or if Lunar day is 12th falling on Sunday ruled

by Karthika the gir becomes 'Visha kannika'

> These Dosha's will be nullified , if the Lord of the 7th house or

a powerful benefic, is postioned in the 7th house.

> These details may be considered for leading to the unhappy wedded

partners.

>

>  

>  A.V.Pathi,                                      

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Hare rama krishna

dear pathi ji and sunil bhattacharya ji

I heard in kerala ,old pundits using this girl has ashtalaxmi yoga etc( means 8 sort of prosperity in her chart ) .But forget to ask them ,as those days as there was crowd gathered there and they r busy and they need to attend too,but i never find a classical quote for it .But i find the girl who was studying +2 is now so happy ,rich and has all sort of blessing of laxmi now ( she was 2nd child ( both girls ) of a widowed mother who has only a megre income frm some school for kids those days ) and such a prosperity was beyond our imagination .

even i heard once Sri K N rao mentioned he has astalaxmi yoga ,but dont know if both of this yogas r same or he is saying some thing diffrnt .But he has jupiter in 10th.

This girls chart i forget because it happened in 1990 ,and now all r migrated also to US .And lost conct too .

Now i will try to get her chart for study purpose again as i go with them to astrologer for a male company those days .And i am related too .

 

Any one has any idea ??

 

regrds sunil nair .

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

 

, venkatachala pathi <pathiav wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,> I do not think so.> Regards.> A.V.Pathi, > > > > > > Sunil Bhattacharjya sunil_bhattacharjya > Friday, August 1, 2008 11:40:24 PM> Re:Wanting Love without beinmg unfaithful to present Love ?> > > Dear Pathiji,> > Some astrologers believe that if Brihaspati (unless debilitated) is in the 10th house in a girl's horoscope then she is Mahalakshmi. This of course appears to be a very general rule. Can this have any effect on the Visha-kanya yoga.?> > Regards,> > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya> > > venkatachala pathi pathiav >> ancient_indian_ astrology> Friday, August 1, 2008 1:21:16 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re:Wanting Love without beinmg unfaithful to present Love ?> > Dear Bhaskar ji,> You have brought me to very interesting notes on my listing 'Visha Kanya Dhosha' which will never take a couple to a happy wedded life:> 1) Any girl born in the combination of Saturday, Aslesha, dwithiya thithi.> 2) Any girl born in the combination of Sunday, Sathabisha and Dwadesi thithi> 3) Any girl born on Tuesday in Vishaka Nakshathra and Sapthami thithi,> 4) If a Benefic as well as a malefic planet occupy the Ascendant and two malefiocs are in the sixth house, the girl born, is a Visha Kanya.> 5) If a girl is born when the Sun is in the 5th house, Saturn is in Lagna, and Mars occupies the 9th house, she will ba a 'Visha Kanya'.> 6) If the Lunar day is 7th falling on a tuesday and Sathabisha ruling on that day or if Lunar day is 12th falling on Sunday ruled by Karthika the gir becomes 'Visha kannika'> These Dosha's will be nullified , if the Lord of the 7th house or a powerful benefic, is postioned in the 7th house.> These details may be considered for leading to the unhappy wedded partners.> > A.V.Pathi,>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskar ji ,

I fully agree with you ,this is the right way.

Now a days , the person get a computer reading based on only

astkoota milan and mars dosa. This is obviously not correct way.

In your list,I will like to add the prospects of progeny.

Regards,

 

 

 G.K.GOEL

 

 

 

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises

 

Saturday, 2 August, 2008 9:10:34 PM

Re: Wanting Love without beinmg unfaithful

to present Love ?

 

 

Dear Goelji,

It would take me some time to read , understand and comment on this paper. But I

am sure it is good, and a result of hard work.

I normally follow other rules which just take few minutes to confirm whether the

bride or the groom are suitable to each other.  If it is found suitable then I

would go further in checking the other matters to tell the parents of the boy or

girl as the case may be.

For instance if a prospective grooms chart is sent to me by the girls father,  i

would first check the longevity of the boy, his next 20 years of professional

life, whether he can earn comfortably, the compatibility factor , and lastly the

gunas part and the Mars factor. I go in that order.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

[Guest guest]

Shri Bhaskarji,

 

<< Kanya is a word to specify an eight year girl. A girl of 12 years or after

attaining puberty she is called Kumari. When married Vadu, then Stree. >>

 

Yes, this is in line with the fact that in the ancient times " Kanyaadaan " was

performed before the girl attained puberty and only on her attaining puberty she

left her parental home.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

 

Bhaskar <rajiventerprises

 

Saturday, August 2, 2008 10:59:29 PM

Re:Wanting Love without beinmg unfaithful to

present Love ?

 

 

Dear all,

This mail by Shri Venkatramanji Hari, is a authentic and educative one.

It is packed with the right meaning of the word " bhramachari " . I did

some look up about this word in the sanskrit dictionary, I found the

meaning similiar to what Shri Venkatramanji has written. regards,

bhaskar.

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, Venkataraman Hari

<venkataraman_ hari wrote:

>

> Bhaskarji is correct. Brahmachari is a word specifically denotes

the Student who studies Veda. Brahman is all pervading Almighty. Veda is

also called Brahmam. So a celebate who strive for realisation is a

Brahmachari. A vedic student is also Brahmachari. In the Ashrama system

after the completion of studies the student is expected to complete his

Brahmacharya Vratha after finishing the studies and then enter in to

Grihasta Ashrama. No one is expected to be an Amashrami--with out

undertaking any Ashrama. As Upanayana is entering in to Brhmachary

Ashrama the Hindu Marriage is the ceremony for entering in to Grehasta

Ashrama. That is why the the practise of performing Vratha on the

previous day to the marriage. That is called Brahmacharya Samapana

Vratha. An Anashrami is not respescted in the ancient Society.

Kanya is a word to specify an eight year girl. A girl of 12 years

or after attaining puberty she is called Kumari. When married Vadu ,

then

> Stree.

> But ln practise the social system has changed and meanings also

differ.

 

With regards.

 

Hari.Venkataraman