Tha Gand or Knot of the Trinity or Trigugnaatmakta

[Guest guest]

Dear Shobhanji,

Agni can be of so many types -

agni of bhookh ( Hunger )

agni of kama ( Lust )

agni of Krodha (Anger )

agni of Paachan ( Digestion )

agni of Yagna ( Rituals )

agni of Vivah ( Marriage )

agni of shmashaan ( Cremation )

 

In the above , the tattva is the same, but the agni is manifesting

differently. Same way neither am I, or Shri Goelji alike.

 

regards/ Bhaskaran.

 

, "Shobhana" <shobhana_ms wrote:>> > Dear Bhaskar Ji and Goel Ji,> > Namashkaar,> > tend to agree with both of you . Bothe of you have stated the same> thing but a in different ways. Our Zodiac which is like a circle is a> refelection of ourselves as much we are same or reflection of> Bramhamanda. The entir Prakriti and the human being themeselves is> composed three qualities of Satya (light generated by speed) Rajas (> lots of speed downwards or upwards) and Tama meaning intertia. all> three have the quality of gaining any of the other quality. This> trigunaamkitaa when imposed upon the zodiac reults in the circle being> represented by a perfect triangle.> > This menifestation has relted into the triad of nine planets and 27> Nakshras. Our tithi system is also a triod of five tithies in each> paksha relting in a tringular shpe movement of time over a paksha.> > The juction points of these Triangles are called Gund or the knots. Here> one cycle ends and the other begins. Hence the Gand signify the end and> begining. The dissolution and creation of one cycle each. This means> we have three cyles of 120 degrees each with inbetwwn the three.> begining the knot is owned by Ketu and end by Mercury. Ketu epresenting> the base life inctict of Jeeva(jupiter) signifies the begining and hence> tremendious turmoil, noise, acivity and uncertainity. It is premordial> fire, it is big bang from where starts every thing. It is fast expanding> and transforming agni. on the other hand the ending points of three> sides of trangle is huge deluge of mays withdrawing evry theing unto> itself. Gand therefore are the meeting points of the inverted triangle> of shakti and sraight traingle of Shivam. The meeting points of Life and> death.> > Each cycle is composed of Tatwa and Truties. Each cycle begins with Agni> and ends with Jala tatwa. so these are he junctions of Water and fire.> Water sinifying unlimited expansion and fire then signifying contraction> and end of exapnsion by transformation by fire.> > That is why there are sensetive apoints.> > People born at thse jusction are very brillient, very speedy, unstable> and unpredictable. Their lives are full of fast and sudden changes more> than normal for humans. Fire is richness, activity change and boldness.> they survive through that or perish like fire.> > secondly, the effect of birth there is stated to be for some period of> early develoment. moon being their its is main planet effected . So> either one is very intellegent or accentric.> > Our shahstras say that if Jupiter is strong in the chart, there is no> effect of Gand Moola.> > "HANTIM LABHA GATASCHA-INDU KNDAGA VA SHUBHA GRAHA"> > If moon is in the eleveth, in Kendra or with shubha graha, moola dosh> will vanish.> > Kasyap is also of the same view.> > So what ever goel ji said is as above.> > ragards.>

[Guest guest]

Bhaskar Ji,

Yes and Yes that is what I meant. Agni besically is transforming

agent. It transforms what ever woffer to it into another form.

money also does tha smae that is why money is agni tatwa.

 

You are right.

 

Regards..

 

 

In , " Bhaskar "

<rajiventerprises wrote:

>

>

> Dear Shobhanji,

> Agni can be of so many types - agni of bhookh ( Hunger ) agni of

kama (

> Lust ) agni of Krodha (Anger ) agni of Paachan ( Digestion ) agni of

> Yagna ( Rituals ) agni of Vivah ( Marriage ) agni of shmashaan (

> Cremation ) In the above , the tattva is the same, but the agni

is

> manifesting differently. Same way neither am I, or Shri Goelji

alike.

> regards/ Bhaskaran.

>

>

>

> , " Shobhana "

> <shobhana_ms@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Ji and Goel Ji,

> >

> > Namashkaar,

> >

> > tend to agree with both of you . Bothe of you have stated the same

> > thing but a in different ways. Our Zodiac which is like a circle

is a

> > refelection of ourselves as much we are same or reflection of

> > Bramhamanda. The entir Prakriti and the human being themeselves is

> > composed three qualities of Satya (light generated by speed)

Rajas (

> > lots of speed downwards or upwards) and Tama meaning intertia. all

> > three have the quality of gaining any of the other quality. This

> > trigunaamkitaa when imposed upon the zodiac reults in the circle

being

> > represented by a perfect triangle.

> >

> > This menifestation has relted into the triad of nine planets and

27

> > Nakshras. Our tithi system is also a triod of five tithies in each

> > paksha relting in a tringular shpe movement of time over a paksha.

> >

> > The juction points of these Triangles are called Gund or the

knots.

> Here

> > one cycle ends and the other begins. Hence the Gand signify the

end

> and

> > begining. The dissolution and creation of one cycle each. This

means

> > we have three cyles of 120 degrees each with inbetwwn the three.

> > begining the knot is owned by Ketu and end by Mercury. Ketu

> epresenting

> > the base life inctict of Jeeva(jupiter) signifies the begining and

> hence

> > tremendious turmoil, noise, acivity and uncertainity. It is

premordial

> > fire, it is big bang from where starts every thing. It is fast

> expanding

> > and transforming agni. on the other hand the ending points of

three

> > sides of trangle is huge deluge of mays withdrawing evry theing

unto

> > itself. Gand therefore are the meeting points of the inverted

triangle

> > of shakti and sraight traingle of Shivam. The meeting points of

Life

> and

> > death.

> >

> > Each cycle is composed of Tatwa and Truties. Each cycle begins

with

> Agni

> > and ends with Jala tatwa. so these are he junctions of Water and

fire.

> > Water sinifying unlimited expansion and fire then signifying

> contraction

> > and end of exapnsion by transformation by fire.

> >

> > That is why there are sensetive apoints.

> >

> > People born at thse jusction are very brillient, very speedy,

unstable

> > and unpredictable. Their lives are full of fast and sudden changes

> more

> > than normal for humans. Fire is richness, activity change and

> boldness.

> > they survive through that or perish like fire.

> >

> > secondly, the effect of birth there is stated to be for some

period of

> > early develoment. moon being their its is main planet effected .

So

> > either one is very intellegent or accentric.

> >

> > Our shahstras say that if Jupiter is strong in the chart, there

is no

> > effect of Gand Moola.

> >

> > " HANTIM LABHA GATASCHA-INDU KNDAGA VA SHUBHA GRAHA "

> >

> > If moon is in the eleveth, in Kendra or with shubha graha, moola

dosh

> > will vanish.

> >

> > Kasyap is also of the same view.

> >

> > So what ever goel ji said is as above.

> >

> > ragards.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hare ramakrishna

dear sobhana ji

Thanks for the write up .

i hav a small doubt can u re produce all part of this stanza

as it is saying

 

HANTIM LABHA GATASCHA-INDU KNDAGA VA SHUBHA GRAHA"> >> > If moon is in the eleveth, in Kendra or with shubha graha, mooladosh> > will vanish.

I think some flaw in this

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "Shobhana" <shobhana_ms wrote:>> > Dear Bhaskar Ji and Goel Ji,> > Namashkaar,> > tend to agree with both of you . Bothe of you have stated the same> thing but a in different ways. Our Zodiac which is like a circle is a> refelection of ourselves as much we are same or reflection of> Bramhamanda. The entir Prakriti and the human being themeselves is> composed three qualities of Satya (light generated by speed) Rajas (> lots of speed downwards or upwards) and Tama meaning intertia. all> three have the quality of gaining any of the other quality. This> trigunaamkitaa when imposed upon the zodiac reults in the circle being> represented by a perfect triangle.> > This menifestation has relted into the triad of nine planets and 27> Nakshras. Our tithi system is also a triod of five tithies in each> paksha relting in a tringular shpe movement of time over a paksha.> > The juction points of these Triangles are called Gund or the knots. Here> one cycle ends and the other begins. Hence the Gand signify the end and> begining. The dissolution and creation of one cycle each. This means> we have three cyles of 120 degrees each with inbetwwn the three.> begining the knot is owned by Ketu and end by Mercury. Ketu epresenting> the base life inctict of Jeeva(jupiter) signifies the begining and hence> tremendious turmoil, noise, acivity and uncertainity. It is premordial> fire, it is big bang from where starts every thing. It is fast expanding> and transforming agni. on the other hand the ending points of three> sides of trangle is huge deluge of mays withdrawing evry theing unto> itself. Gand therefore are the meeting points of the inverted triangle> of shakti and sraight traingle of Shivam. The meeting points of Life and> death.> > Each cycle is composed of Tatwa and Truties. Each cycle begins with Agni> and ends with Jala tatwa. so these are he junctions of Water and fire.> Water sinifying unlimited expansion and fire then signifying contraction> and end of exapnsion by transformation by fire.> > That is why there are sensetive apoints.> > People born at thse jusction are very brillient, very speedy, unstable> and unpredictable. Their lives are full of fast and sudden changes more> than normal for humans. Fire is richness, activity change and boldness.> they survive through that or perish like fire.> > secondly, the effect of birth there is stated to be for some period of> early develoment. moon being their its is main planet effected . So> either one is very intellegent or accentric.> > Our shahstras say that if Jupiter is strong in the chart, there is no> effect of Gand Moola.> > "HANTIM LABHA GATASCHA-INDU KNDAGA VA SHUBHA GRAHA"> > If moon is in the eleveth, in Kendra or with shubha graha, moola dosh> will vanish.> > Kasyap is also of the same view.> > So what ever goel ji said is as above.> > ragards.>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil Ji,

 

Yes there seems to a flaw.

 

it is :

 

Hanti laabha gatshchakenduH kendragaa wa shubhaa grahaa.

 

Read it like this.

Regards.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hare ramakrishna

>

> dear sobhana ji

>

> Thanks for the write up .

>

> i hav a small doubt can u re produce all part of this stanza

>

> as it is saying

>

>

>

> HANTIM LABHA GATASCHA-INDU KNDAGA VA SHUBHA GRAHA "

> > >

> > > If moon is in the eleveth, in Kendra or with shubha graha, moola

> dosh

> > > will vanish.

>

>

> I think some flaw in this

>

>

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah

>

>

> , " Shobhana "

> <shobhana_ms@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Bhaskar Ji and Goel Ji,

> >

> > Namashkaar,

> >

> > tend to agree with both of you . Bothe of you have stated the same

> > thing but a in different ways. Our Zodiac which is like a circle

is a

> > refelection of ourselves as much we are same or reflection of

> > Bramhamanda. The entir Prakriti and the human being themeselves is

> > composed three qualities of Satya (light generated by speed)

Rajas (

> > lots of speed downwards or upwards) and Tama meaning intertia. all

> > three have the quality of gaining any of the other quality. This

> > trigunaamkitaa when imposed upon the zodiac reults in the circle

being

> > represented by a perfect triangle.

> >

> > This menifestation has relted into the triad of nine planets and

27

> > Nakshras. Our tithi system is also a triod of five tithies in each

> > paksha relting in a tringular shpe movement of time over a paksha.

> >

> > The juction points of these Triangles are called Gund or the

knots.

> Here

> > one cycle ends and the other begins. Hence the Gand signify the

end

> and

> > begining. The dissolution and creation of one cycle each. This

means

> > we have three cyles of 120 degrees each with inbetwwn the three.

> > begining the knot is owned by Ketu and end by Mercury. Ketu

> epresenting

> > the base life inctict of Jeeva(jupiter) signifies the begining and

> hence

> > tremendious turmoil, noise, acivity and uncertainity. It is

premordial

> > fire, it is big bang from where starts every thing. It is fast

> expanding

> > and transforming agni. on the other hand the ending points of

three

> > sides of trangle is huge deluge of mays withdrawing evry theing

unto

> > itself. Gand therefore are the meeting points of the inverted

triangle

> > of shakti and sraight traingle of Shivam. The meeting points of

Life

> and

> > death.

> >

> > Each cycle is composed of Tatwa and Truties. Each cycle begins

with

> Agni

> > and ends with Jala tatwa. so these are he junctions of Water and

fire.

> > Water sinifying unlimited expansion and fire then signifying

> contraction

> > and end of exapnsion by transformation by fire.

> >

> > That is why there are sensetive apoints.

> >

> > People born at thse jusction are very brillient, very speedy,

unstable

> > and unpredictable. Their lives are full of fast and sudden changes

> more

> > than normal for humans. Fire is richness, activity change and

> boldness.

> > they survive through that or perish like fire.

> >

> > secondly, the effect of birth there is stated to be for some

period of

> > early develoment. moon being their its is main planet effected .

So

> > either one is very intellegent or accentric.

> >

> > Our shahstras say that if Jupiter is strong in the chart, there

is no

> > effect of Gand Moola.

> >

> > " HANTIM LABHA GATASCHA-INDU KNDAGA VA SHUBHA GRAHA "

> >

> > If moon is in the eleveth, in Kendra or with shubha graha, moola

dosh

> > will vanish.

> >

> > Kasyap is also of the same view.

> >

> > So what ever goel ji said is as above.

> >

> > ragards.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear sobhana ji

My sanskrit is not good but malayam is very good and malayalam being close to sanskrit in more than 90% way so i got this doubt .

now i think the translation will change .

also can u tell me the source of this quote

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

, "Shobhana" <shobhana_ms wrote:>> Dear Sunil Ji, > > Yes there seems to a flaw.> > it is :> > Hanti laabha gatshchakenduH kendragaa wa shubhaa grahaa.> > Read it like this.> Regards.> > > > > > > , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > > dear sobhana ji> > > > Thanks for the write up .> > > > i hav a small doubt can u re produce all part of this stanza> > > > as it is saying> > > > > > > > HANTIM LABHA GATASCHA-INDU KNDAGA VA SHUBHA GRAHA"> > > >> > > > If moon is in the eleveth, in Kendra or with shubha graha, moola> > dosh> > > > will vanish.> > > > > > I think some flaw in this> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > > > > , "Shobhana"> > <shobhana_ms@> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Bhaskar Ji and Goel Ji,> > >> > > Namashkaar,> > >> > > tend to agree with both of you . Bothe of you have stated the same> > > thing but a in different ways. Our Zodiac which is like a circle > is a> > > refelection of ourselves as much we are same or reflection of> > > Bramhamanda. The entir Prakriti and the human being themeselves is> > > composed three qualities of Satya (light generated by speed) > Rajas (> > > lots of speed downwards or upwards) and Tama meaning intertia. all> > > three have the quality of gaining any of the other quality. This> > > trigunaamkitaa when imposed upon the zodiac reults in the circle > being> > > represented by a perfect triangle.> > >> > > This menifestation has relted into the triad of nine planets and > 27> > > Nakshras. Our tithi system is also a triod of five tithies in each> > > paksha relting in a tringular shpe movement of time over a paksha.> > >> > > The juction points of these Triangles are called Gund or the > knots.> > Here> > > one cycle ends and the other begins. Hence the Gand signify the > end> > and> > > begining. The dissolution and creation of one cycle each. This > means> > > we have three cyles of 120 degrees each with inbetwwn the three.> > > begining the knot is owned by Ketu and end by Mercury. Ketu> > epresenting> > > the base life inctict of Jeeva(jupiter) signifies the begining and> > hence> > > tremendious turmoil, noise, acivity and uncertainity. It is > premordial> > > fire, it is big bang from where starts every thing. It is fast> > expanding> > > and transforming agni. on the other hand the ending points of > three> > > sides of trangle is huge deluge of mays withdrawing evry theing > unto> > > itself. Gand therefore are the meeting points of the inverted > triangle> > > of shakti and sraight traingle of Shivam. The meeting points of > Life> > and> > > death.> > >> > > Each cycle is composed of Tatwa and Truties. Each cycle begins > with> > Agni> > > and ends with Jala tatwa. so these are he junctions of Water and > fire.> > > Water sinifying unlimited expansion and fire then signifying> > contraction> > > and end of exapnsion by transformation by fire.> > >> > > That is why there are sensetive apoints.> > >> > > People born at thse jusction are very brillient, very speedy, > unstable> > > and unpredictable. Their lives are full of fast and sudden changes> > more> > > than normal for humans. Fire is richness, activity change and> > boldness.> > > they survive through that or perish like fire.> > >> > > secondly, the effect of birth there is stated to be for some > period of> > > early develoment. moon being their its is main planet effected . > So> > > either one is very intellegent or accentric.> > >> > > Our shahstras say that if Jupiter is strong in the chart, there > is no> > > effect of Gand Moola.> > >> > > "HANTIM LABHA GATASCHA-INDU KNDAGA VA SHUBHA GRAHA"> > >> > > If moon is in the eleveth, in Kendra or with shubha graha, moola > dosh> > > will vanish.> > >> > > Kasyap is also of the same view.> > >> > > So what ever goel ji said is as above.> > >> > > ragards.> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear All,

 

 

For practical purposes, two nakshatras between 8/9 rashis, i.e jyeshtha and

Moola are considered as inauspicious and pacification rites are performed on

27th day of birth. Birth in any of these is broadly referred to as Moola

birth by pandits.

 

Similarly also, the birth in nakshatras falling at the 12/1 and 4/8 points

of Zodiac are called gandanth nakshatras and also sometimes called gandmool

nakshatras broadly. These are Rewati, ashwini, ashlesha and Magha. But they

should not be confused with moola nakshatra.

 

Coming to Moola nakshatra, which is 0-13.20 sagitarius, is lorded by Ketu,

the whole nakshatra is not at all inauspicious. And whatever be the

inauspiciousness, it is said to be for native's family, i.e father, mother,

grandfather, even cattle, and servants. Sunil ji can give his opinion on

this, as Kerala savants have divided the whole period of 13.20 into 15 kalas

and vikalas. And give the effect of moon in each of these periods. Only when

the moon is between 9.46.00 to 10.40.00 will it cause his own death. (though

I have never been able to check this dictum).

 

Otherwise, birth in Moola for the native himself is like a birth in any

other star, with of course the blend of Moola characters in him. Some of

these are

 

The person born in moola is compassionate, merciful and kind by nature,

honest to his work and occupation, he gives respect to others and demands

respect from others, habituated to live in a disciplined manner and has

leadership abilities. He is specially inclined towards the observance of

religious rites and sometimes ends up being superstitious to some extent. He

is always ready to rise spiritually and is meditating upon being unattached

to worldly objects. Due to this feeling, he does a lot of charity, even

beyond his means also, at the cost of his family calling him extravagant.

There is a feeling of indifference or even contempt towards keeping accounts

of income and expenditure. He is extremely enthusiastic in his field of

action and is hasty in is desire of making continual progress. There is an

uncertainty in his occupation and he certainly makes changes in his

occupation.

 

Now before you all jump at me, let me tell you that all this is said in our

classics. That is why sharing with the group. I have found these true in

most of the cases.

 

Abhukt moola is a small part of moola.

According to Brahmarishi Vashishtha in Puran Rashi, only one ghati after the

end of Jyeshtha is Abhukt moola. That means only 24 minutes. The face of the

native should not be seen by his father for 8 years if he wants his

wellbeing.

Jyshthantyaghatiaika cha moolasyaghatidwayam

Abhuktmulamityuktam tatrotptrinshishormukham

Ashtvarshani nalokyam taten shubamichhta

Tadyoshparihararth shantkam prochyoteduna

 

Some have even said that the natives born in abhukt mula should be given up.

 

Bhujang paurandar paushan bhanam tadagra bhanam cha tadantralam

Abhukt mulam prahar pramanam tyajet sutam tatra bhavam sutam cha

 

To ward of the ill effects, Shobhana ji has already told us some remedies.

 

There have been some variants of abhukt moola timings. Maharshi Brihaspathi

gives last ghati of Jyeshtha and half ghati of Moola as Abhukt moola. Narada

takes last 4 ghatis of Jye and first 4 of moola as abhukt, thus taking 8

ghatis. Some other astrologers consider last 8 ghatis of jye and first 5

ghatis of moola as abhukt moola. Whereas some take all nakshatra gandantas

as abhukt moola.

 

In my opinion Abhukt mula is a very narrow time period which is supposed to

be inauspicious. As with all other principles, we have stretched its limits

of tolerance because of our own inefficiencies in recording birth times. We

are adopting a no-harm policy in all remedies because people have loads of

money and there are hoards of astrologers out on the prowl. So a layman will

like to play safe. If a child is in Moola, even if no harm to him, if a

small pooja saves father, no harm!!

 

As serious astrolgers, we must at least think logically where the problem

lies and narrow it down to the minimum instead of stretching the tolerance

limits to cover the entire spectrum. A day will come when will be

propitiating the planets for any child born anywhere.

 

In order to see whether moola is really harmful and to whom, we should go

step by step with a process of elimination and reach the inauspiciousness.

 

After checking for gandantha and abhukt mula, one needs to go through the

following within the birth in Moola:

 

- Which of the 4 quarters or padas of the nakshtras.

- Paksha and Tithis on which the native is born. A combination of moola

with certain tithis is inauspicious.

- Time of the day, whether it is at sandhi again.

- The effects of different ghatis is also given by some sages after

arranging the ghatis in the shape of man or tree and then seeing in which

part the birth ghati falls. Many classics give details about these.

- Moola has its own 30 muhurta lords (of about 2 ghatis each) of which

rakshasa, yatudhan, pita, yama and kaal (1,2,6,8, 9) are supposed to be bad

and rest are said to be fine.

 

When inauspiciousness is more from many accounts, we should really get

worried. Otherwise, just being born in moola does not make the native go

through any adversities.

 

Regards

Neelam

[Guest guest]

Hare rama krishna

dear neelam ji

 

Very good article and u raised very valid point too .

 

we the ppl of india mainly hindus observe all this upayas without going in details much just blving the astrologers ,so we r not sure wheter the dosha cancelled by upayas or some exceptions in chart has worked ,IN olden days the oral guru sisya tradition was very activ and many of those gems r not available in print form .

 

so we must b able to see this in wide spectrum and as serious astrologers we shud see the possible narrow line when this dosha can b activ and also what r exceptions and also how many cases the prescribed remedy realy worked by seeing charts and dasas ,As lot of such charts r available in case of non hindus and non indians .

 

I still blv may b raja yogas is in chart it will cancell some of this doshas and depending on the strnght of raja yogas the nativ will enjoy it ,if he dont die ( because this is also one of the lakshanas in sadyo marana lakshanas ( death within 24 hrs to one yr ) .That may b reason some texts says if nativ livs then even if his all kula may get destroyed but still he will liv like a raja tulya ( i think here raja yoga part may play ,simple existense of some one why shud confirm raja yoga status ???)

 

I will try to write an extensive article on all kooru ( lunar mansions ) doshas and nakshtra dosha s in one of this days as it requires a quiet mind including kula nasa ,pitri nasa ,matri nasa yogas along with this article applicable only to this lakshanas .

 

regrds sunil nair

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

, "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear All,> > > For practical purposes, two nakshatras between 8/9 rashis, i.e jyeshtha and> Moola are considered as inauspicious and pacification rites are performed on> 27th day of birth. Birth in any of these is broadly referred to as Moola> birth by pandits.> > Similarly also, the birth in nakshatras falling at the 12/1 and 4/8 points> of Zodiac are called gandanth nakshatras and also sometimes called gandmool> nakshatras broadly. These are Rewati, ashwini, ashlesha and Magha. But they> should not be confused with moola nakshatra.> > Coming to Moola nakshatra, which is 0-13.20 sagitarius, is lorded by Ketu,> the whole nakshatra is not at all inauspicious. And whatever be the> inauspiciousness, it is said to be for native's family, i.e father, mother,> grandfather, even cattle, and servants. Sunil ji can give his opinion on> this, as Kerala savants have divided the whole period of 13.20 into 15 kalas> and vikalas. And give the effect of moon in each of these periods. Only when> the moon is between 9.46.00 to 10.40.00 will it cause his own death. (though> I have never been able to check this dictum).> > Otherwise, birth in Moola for the native himself is like a birth in any> other star, with of course the blend of Moola characters in him. Some of> these are> > The person born in moola is compassionate, merciful and kind by nature,> honest to his work and occupation, he gives respect to others and demands> respect from others, habituated to live in a disciplined manner and has> leadership abilities. He is specially inclined towards the observance of> religious rites and sometimes ends up being superstitious to some extent. He> is always ready to rise spiritually and is meditating upon being unattached> to worldly objects. Due to this feeling, he does a lot of charity, even> beyond his means also, at the cost of his family calling him extravagant.> There is a feeling of indifference or even contempt towards keeping accounts> of income and expenditure. He is extremely enthusiastic in his field of> action and is hasty in is desire of making continual progress. There is an> uncertainty in his occupation and he certainly makes changes in his> occupation.> > Now before you all jump at me, let me tell you that all this is said in our> classics. That is why sharing with the group. I have found these true in> most of the cases.> > Abhukt moola is a small part of moola.> According to Brahmarishi Vashishtha in Puran Rashi, only one ghati after the> end of Jyeshtha is Abhukt moola. That means only 24 minutes. The face of the> native should not be seen by his father for 8 years if he wants his> wellbeing.> Jyshthantyaghatiaika cha moolasyaghatidwayam> Abhuktmulamityuktam tatrotptrinshishormukham> Ashtvarshani nalokyam taten shubamichhta> Tadyoshparihararth shantkam prochyoteduna> > Some have even said that the natives born in abhukt mula should be given up.> > Bhujang paurandar paushan bhanam tadagra bhanam cha tadantralam> Abhukt mulam prahar pramanam tyajet sutam tatra bhavam sutam cha> > To ward of the ill effects, Shobhana ji has already told us some remedies.> > There have been some variants of abhukt moola timings. Maharshi Brihaspathi> gives last ghati of Jyeshtha and half ghati of Moola as Abhukt moola. Narada> takes last 4 ghatis of Jye and first 4 of moola as abhukt, thus taking 8> ghatis. Some other astrologers consider last 8 ghatis of jye and first 5> ghatis of moola as abhukt moola. Whereas some take all nakshatra gandantas> as abhukt moola.> > In my opinion Abhukt mula is a very narrow time period which is supposed to> be inauspicious. As with all other principles, we have stretched its limits> of tolerance because of our own inefficiencies in recording birth times. We> are adopting a no-harm policy in all remedies because people have loads of> money and there are hoards of astrologers out on the prowl. So a layman will> like to play safe. If a child is in Moola, even if no harm to him, if a> small pooja saves father, no harm!!> > As serious astrolgers, we must at least think logically where the problem> lies and narrow it down to the minimum instead of stretching the tolerance> limits to cover the entire spectrum. A day will come when will be> propitiating the planets for any child born anywhere.> > In order to see whether moola is really harmful and to whom, we should go> step by step with a process of elimination and reach the inauspiciousness.> > After checking for gandantha and abhukt mula, one needs to go through the> following within the birth in Moola:> > - Which of the 4 quarters or padas of the nakshtras.> - Paksha and Tithis on which the native is born. A combination of moola> with certain tithis is inauspicious.> - Time of the day, whether it is at sandhi again.> - The effects of different ghatis is also given by some sages after> arranging the ghatis in the shape of man or tree and then seeing in which> part the birth ghati falls. Many classics give details about these.> - Moola has its own 30 muhurta lords (of about 2 ghatis each) of which> rakshasa, yatudhan, pita, yama and kaal (1,2,6,8, 9) are supposed to be bad> and rest are said to be fine.> > When inauspiciousness is more from many accounts, we should really get> worried. Otherwise, just being born in moola does not make the native go> through any adversities.> > Regards> Neelam>

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil ji and group,Thank you sunil ji.

Actually astrology is

now-a-days a booming business in wrong hands. All types of astro-doctors and upayacharis (a la KNR) have sprung up everywhere. For the lack of means of knowing

what has worked when someone gets a relief, we see so many of these pseudo astros

befooling the gullible and vulnerable public in the name of remedies. The level

of business has become directly proportional to the level of materialism and rising

frustration amongst the people. Media channels are ample proofs for this. They

are making huge money by fooling people everyday and we like monkeys sit before

the idiot box to know what the coming day brings for us.

Can you count how many

babas, godheads and avatars have taken birth in the past few years. Yesterday

after a long time I was surfing through the channels late at night and 80

percent of them were talking nonsense about astrology. One feels ashamed to be

called an astrologer if that is the elite club.

These pseudo-astros

have spread so many misconceptions and wrong theories that it may become

difficult for the coming generations to recognize the true face of this super

science if they happen to see it. The horror created by the unlimited number of

doshas that we are born with is worse than the death itself. What use are we

putting astrology to? Are we a gang of terrorists? The psycho-terrorists? I

have literally seen people trembling with fear when terrorized by such

astrologers. When they point blank put their gun on the heads of poor people and

write them off for ever.

At least serious

astrologers should properly balance the chart and see it from all angles before

pronouncing their sentence, or asking the native to go through the rounds of

unending remedies.

RegardsNeelam

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sunil ji,

 

It was nver a translation only the word Indu has been cleared now

and the essence remains.

 

I admit my snascrit si poor having had no formal education in

sanscrit beyong eight class.

Regards.

 

 

In , " sunil nair "

<astro_tellerkerala wrote:

>

>

>

>

> Hare rama krishna

>

> dear sobhana ji

>

> My sanskrit is not good but malayam is very good and malayalam being

> close to sanskrit in more than 90% way so i got this doubt .

>

> now i think the translation will change .

>

> also can u tell me the source of this quote

>

>

>

> regrds sunil nair

>

> om shreem mahalaxmai namah .

>

>

> , " Shobhana "

> <shobhana_ms@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunil Ji,

> >

> > Yes there seems to a flaw.

> >

> > it is :

> >

> > Hanti laabha gatshchakenduH kendragaa wa shubhaa grahaa.

> >

> > Read it like this.

> > Regards.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " sunil nair "

> > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hare ramakrishna

> > >

> > > dear sobhana ji

> > >

> > > Thanks for the write up .

> > >

> > > i hav a small doubt can u re produce all part of this stanza

> > >

> > > as it is saying

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > HANTIM LABHA GATASCHA-INDU KNDAGA VA SHUBHA GRAHA "

> > > > >

> > > > > If moon is in the eleveth, in Kendra or with shubha graha,

moola

> > > dosh

> > > > > will vanish.

> > >

> > >

> > > I think some flaw in this

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > regrds sunil nair

> > >

> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Shobhana "

> > > <shobhana_ms@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bhaskar Ji and Goel Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Namashkaar,

> > > >

> > > > tend to agree with both of you . Bothe of you have stated the

same

> > > > thing but a in different ways. Our Zodiac which is like a

circle

> > is a

> > > > refelection of ourselves as much we are same or reflection of

> > > > Bramhamanda. The entir Prakriti and the human being

themeselves is

> > > > composed three qualities of Satya (light generated by speed)

> > Rajas (

> > > > lots of speed downwards or upwards) and Tama meaning

intertia. all

> > > > three have the quality of gaining any of the other quality.

This

> > > > trigunaamkitaa when imposed upon the zodiac reults in the

circle

> > being

> > > > represented by a perfect triangle.

> > > >

> > > > This menifestation has relted into the triad of nine planets

and

> > 27

> > > > Nakshras. Our tithi system is also a triod of five tithies in

each

> > > > paksha relting in a tringular shpe movement of time over a

paksha.

> > > >

> > > > The juction points of these Triangles are called Gund or the

> > knots.

> > > Here

> > > > one cycle ends and the other begins. Hence the Gand signify

the

> > end

> > > and

> > > > begining. The dissolution and creation of one cycle each. This

> > means

> > > > we have three cyles of 120 degrees each with inbetwwn the

three.

> > > > begining the knot is owned by Ketu and end by Mercury. Ketu

> > > epresenting

> > > > the base life inctict of Jeeva(jupiter) signifies the

begining and

> > > hence

> > > > tremendious turmoil, noise, acivity and uncertainity. It is

> > premordial

> > > > fire, it is big bang from where starts every thing. It is fast

> > > expanding

> > > > and transforming agni. on the other hand the ending points of

> > three

> > > > sides of trangle is huge deluge of mays withdrawing evry

theing

> > unto

> > > > itself. Gand therefore are the meeting points of the inverted

> > triangle

> > > > of shakti and sraight traingle of Shivam. The meeting points

of

> > Life

> > > and

> > > > death.

> > > >

> > > > Each cycle is composed of Tatwa and Truties. Each cycle begins

> > with

> > > Agni

> > > > and ends with Jala tatwa. so these are he junctions of Water

and

> > fire.

> > > > Water sinifying unlimited expansion and fire then signifying

> > > contraction

> > > > and end of exapnsion by transformation by fire.

> > > >

> > > > That is why there are sensetive apoints.

> > > >

> > > > People born at thse jusction are very brillient, very speedy,

> > unstable

> > > > and unpredictable. Their lives are full of fast and sudden

changes

> > > more

> > > > than normal for humans. Fire is richness, activity change and

> > > boldness.

> > > > they survive through that or perish like fire.

> > > >

> > > > secondly, the effect of birth there is stated to be for some

> > period of

> > > > early develoment. moon being their its is main planet

effected .

> > So

> > > > either one is very intellegent or accentric.

> > > >

> > > > Our shahstras say that if Jupiter is strong in the chart,

there

> > is no

> > > > effect of Gand Moola.

> > > >

> > > > " HANTIM LABHA GATASCHA-INDU KNDAGA VA SHUBHA GRAHA "

> > > >

> > > > If moon is in the eleveth, in Kendra or with shubha graha,

moola

> > dosh

> > > > will vanish.

> > > >

> > > > Kasyap is also of the same view.

> > > >

> > > > So what ever goel ji said is as above.

> > > >

> > > > ragards.

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hare Rama Krishna

 

dear Sobhana ji

My storey is almost same .

Now my take on this stanza -Hanti laabha gatshchakenduH kendragaa wa shubhaa grahaa.

Moon in 11th and benefics either in kendra to moon or lagna can solve this kind of doshas and it is quiet close to logic ,but i am open to correction if some ppl can come out with clear translation .

also will lov to hear ur opinions too

 

regrds sunil nair

 

om shreem mahalaxmai namah

 

, "Shobhana" <shobhana_ms wrote:>> > > Dear Sunil ji, > > It was nver a translation only the word Indu has been cleared now > and the essence remains.> > I admit my snascrit si poor having had no formal education in > sanscrit beyong eight class.> Regards.> > > In , "sunil nair" > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > Hare rama krishna> > > > dear sobhana ji> > > > My sanskrit is not good but malayam is very good and malayalam being> > close to sanskrit in more than 90% way so i got this doubt .> > > > now i think the translation will change .> > > > also can u tell me the source of this quote> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah .> > > > > > , "Shobhana"> > <shobhana_ms@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Sunil Ji,> > >> > > Yes there seems to a flaw.> > >> > > it is :> > >> > > Hanti laabha gatshchakenduH kendragaa wa shubhaa grahaa.> > >> > > Read it like this.> > > Regards.> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > , "sunil nair"> > > astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Hare ramakrishna> > > >> > > > dear sobhana ji> > > >> > > > Thanks for the write up .> > > >> > > > i hav a small doubt can u re produce all part of this stanza> > > >> > > > as it is saying> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > HANTIM LABHA GATASCHA-INDU KNDAGA VA SHUBHA GRAHA"> > > > > >> > > > > > If moon is in the eleveth, in Kendra or with shubha graha, > moola> > > > dosh> > > > > > will vanish.> > > >> > > >> > > > I think some flaw in this> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > regrds sunil nair> > > >> > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah>

[Guest guest]

Dera Group,

This is a fine commentry,

 

The essence, however, does not appear to have been understood by

Neelam Gupta.

 

Moola is not only Moola but its means the origin.

 

This is applied in " Tithi Gandant where the Sun and Moon can be any

where, but Junction of 120 degree, 240 degrees and and 360 Degrees

between the two are considered inauspicious.

 

Similarily i the Sartrt point of Ascendent or Janma nakshtra, The

same principle is somewhat applied.

 

In Vimshottari Dasa Moon is not supposed to be progressed beyond 120

degrees from it commenced.

 

In yogini das similarily the Junctions of the three cycle are

considered bad.

 

In Jaimini navamsa, sthira and many other Dasas, the Junctions of the

trines are the ending points or points of culminations.

 

In fact Neelam is quotting so Much, in the first triangle of Zodiac,

the ending point, that is the Ashresha is supposed to be as worse as

Moola and efects are i adverse order. this due to well known

astronomical phenomenons.

 

Moola as an entity has special significance in tantras and this

entire concept is based on the Principles of Yoga and Tantras.

 

It needs deeper understanding rather than a formalist school text

book view.

 

Thanks...