Masnuyee [ artificial ] planets

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A Lal Kitab concept

Dear Chakraborty ji,

This is an extremely important concept of the Lal Kitab.

This is not only important while analyzing a horoscope,

it is very important in prescribing an upaya and to

understand its logic.

 

This concept of a masnuyee [ artificial ] planet is based

on a very logical fact. When two colours get mixed a

third colour is created. Similarly when two planets

get together there is always a possibility of a third

planet being formed out of this combination. The Lal

Kitab has identified a few planets which form a

meaningful and relevant third planet. Therefore, each

planet is a result of two such constituents.

 

Planets Masnuyee [ artificial ] planet formed

 

Sun + Venus Jupiter

Mercury + Venus Sun

Sun + Jupiter Moon

Rahu + Ketu Venus

Sun + Mercury Mars { shubh }

Sun + Saturn Mars { ashubh }

Jupiter + Rahu Mercury

Jupiter + Venus Saturn { Ketu swabhav }

Mars + Mercury Saturn { Rahu swabhav }

Mars + Saturn Rahu { Uchcha }

Sun + Saturn Rahu { neech }

Venus + Saturn Ketu { uchcha }

Moon + Saturn Ketu { neech }

 

In other words a Jupiter is made of two constituents :

sun + venus. Therefore if these two planets are together

in a house, then an LK astrologer should also assume an

artificial [ masnuyee] Jupiter there and devise an

upaya accordingly.

 

{ quoted from an article by Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji }

 

Sincerely,

 

S P Khurana

 

 

 

, "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Khuran-ji,> > As you have illustrated, I am aware that Lal Kitab uses the "masnuyee" > concepts for combination of planets.> > > > > Could you please give us some basic idea for combination for > different planets and their "masnuyee" and their ages...> > > if that is not too complex and exhaustive.> > regards> > chakraborty> > > [Chakraborty, PL] > > > khurana_satpal [khurana_satpal]> Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:09 PM> > Re: Planets speak...> > > > > Lal Kitab perspective :> > Sirs,> > Jupiter + Venus in the 11th house> > Asar guru ka pahale ginate, peechhe shukra ka hota ho> > Bhala shukra ho ishqa mein umda, rizak manda nahi karta jo,> > Kamdevi jab keeda banta, asar do no ka manda ho.> > Sona guru jo dooja banata, mitti zard ab hota ho> > > > In this combination both these planets will give a combined> > effect till the age of 33 years. The combined effect will be that> > of masnuyee [ artificial ] Saturn of ketu swabhav i.e. Saturn > > benefic in other words achcha madadgar [ a good helper ]. This > > will always protect the native from dukha and beemari.> > > > After that both will give their independent effects in the house> > they are placed. In the results the effect of Jupiter will precede> > that of the Venus. The effect of the Venus will be 3.75 times > > more than that of the Jupiter. Even if the effect of the Jupiter might> > be of medium quality, the effect of the Venus will be good. He will > > always get help from the ladies or the ladies would come> > forward to help him always.> > > > If the Jupiter is weak or turned malefic by the actions of the > > native then the kismet will turn to yellow mud in place of > > gold. This may not affect his earnings though.> > > > If the native turns his venus malefic by too much of lust , > > or by seeking ishqa all around then the native will suffer > > from sexual weakness, specially if the 3rd house is unoccupied > > [ shri GKGoel ji has already talked about them]. This weakness can lead to> the problems in begetting a child or might even be> > childless.> > > Sincerely,> > S P Khurana> > > > > > > > > > > > > , Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@> wrote:> >> > Dear Friend,> > Jupiter +Venus in 11H for Aries Lagna may give results > > as under;> > 1. 11H is badhaka place , Venus is functional malefic > > and marka planet . Aquarius is friendly sign for Venus.> > 2. Jupiter is a trine lord will make Venus to give auspicious > > results.> > 3. Jupiter will not able to confer full auspicious results.> > 4. 7H represent sex partner ,12H represent bed pleasure.> > 11H represent friends and associates at work place.> > And if such native will indulge in self-abuse and debauchery ,> > may loose both money and may lead him to impotency.3H > > PROVIDE VIPREET ARGALA TO 11H ,AND IF PLANETS> > ARE PLACED IN 3H , SUCH TENDENCIES WILL BE CURBED.> > Regards, > > > > > > G.K.GOEL> > > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2chill nanna_id2006@> > > > Friday, 17 October, 2008 4:57:17 PM> > Re: Planets speak...> > > > > > Respected Neelm Ji,> > > > Thanks for your very informative and valuable inputs..indeed it is > > very helpful with your brilliant explanations as usual!!> > > > //One can add many such issues, but it will also get moderated by the> > placement mars the LL and sat, the 11L. Jup-ven dasha also is > > challenging. //> > > > I agree all these classics, combinations are just indicatives we/i > > just have to keep on learning.> > > > Even you know Bhavtra Ratanakara says especially for Aries Lagna > > combination of Sun and Moon Confers RajaYoga!! 4L+5L. But he didn't > > say in which house? what must be the degrees? avastas of planets > > etc... But the basic astrology says Amavasya Moon is weak and malific> > > > coming back to Jup+Ve in 11H Aq we have Dhanistha 3,4th Padas > > Shatabdisha, and PurvaBhadra 1,2,3 padas. What if these Jup+Venus are > > in PB Nakshatra? where Jup is in own nakshatra in say in 3rd Pada and > > Venus is in 1st pada and already joined by the Nakshatra lord. could > > you please throw some light on practical indications of this > > conjunction? > > > > Thank you once again for your educative post..> > > > Regards> > > > Chandu2Chill> > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "neelam gupta" > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,> > > > Let us see what Jup+Venus may give?> > > > The classics would say: The person is very learned, blessed with a > > virtuous spouse, wealthy, religious, virtuous, earns by the use of > > learning. Saravali says, one, who has Jupiter and Venus together at > > birth will live by education and arguments, will follow a highly > > virtuous path, will have accurate conception, or notion (of things) > > and will have a supreme wife. (Saravali)> > > > But the way we could judge the combination is thus:> > > > Jup and venus are both benefics and can never brutally harm a native.> > Venus is neutral to Jupiter but Jupiter is inimical to venus. In > > conjunction they become inimical.> > > > Venus is 2L/7L and Jupiter is 9L/12L> > Venus is spouse and partnerships and Jupiter is wisdom and prosperity> > > > We get 4 combinations:> > 2L+9L: good for financial gains, luck, family, knowledge of shastras,> > traditional and good speech,etc> > > > 2L+12L: weak results of this combination, unless houses are strong by> > placement of planets, as both are neutral houses> > 7L+9L: Kendra-kona rajyog, strong results of this combination as both > > MT> > signs, virtuous and religious spouse, higher knowledge and > > perception, etc.> > 7L+12L: Not good for wife, can cause aloofness in her, or lives away > > from wife. So ultimately a good wife, who might like to seek inner > > wisdom and become indifferent to husband.> > > > The finer results will come from the lordships of venus and Jupiter > > in the chart and other placements.> > > > //What happenn if this combination happens to be in BHADHKA STANA i.e.> > 11H for Aries Lagna?Here Jup+Venus has direct aspect on 5H some say > > it's malefic aspect and other say it's benefic aspect//> > > > For aries lagna, Jupiter + venus fall in 11H aquarius of saturn.> > This would give a large circle of friends, social circle, gains, good> > fortune, knowledge, good spouse, could be multiple > > relationships/ marriage, etc.> > > > As Badhaksthan, 11H will throw up challenges for the lagna.> > Challenges with social circle caused by over dynamic or pushy nature.> > 11H in aquarius with Ju+ve will push the native towards good deeds, > > like philanthropy. There would be challenges in this also, which > > native should overcome.The challenges could be:> > > > Sickness, as 11H is 6th from 6H and is indicator of disease. As badhak> > house, this can bring difficulties in life. Venus is double marak and> > Jupiter is also 12L. 11H is also 7H for children, and Jup-ven are > > aspecting the 5H. This can bring difficulties from children. Like > > philanthropy later in life not liked by children.> > > > Losses can come from speculation as venus is 2L and Jup is 12L.> > > > One can add many such issues, but it will also get moderated by the> > placement mars the LL and sat, the 11L. Jup-ven dasha also is > > challenging.> > > > Hope it would help.> > > > Regards> > Neelam> > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger.> Download Now! http://messenger./download.php> >> > > > > > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. 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Lal Kitab Perspective

Dear Chakraborty ji,

The longitudinal proximity between planets would be the criteria to add up.

In the example you have given if the venus is closer to the sun then we should add up the sun + venus and in case the mercury is close to the sun and the venus is next, then we should add up sun + mercury.

Lal Kitab also follows a 35 year age cycle:

Saturn 1-6

Rahu 7-12

Ketu 13-15

Jupiter 16-21

Sun 22-23

moon 24

venus 25-27

Mars 28 -33

mercury 34-35

The cycle repeats itself in the same order. During the years shown against the planets, it is considerd that the planets will have a role to play.

The years of the planet or what you might call the years of maturity of the planets are as follows :

Jupiter - 16 th

Sun 22nd

moon 24th

venus 25th

mars 28th

mercury 34th

Saturn 36th

Rahu 42nd

Ketu 48th

 

Sincerely,

S P Khurana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, "Chakraborty, PL" <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Khurana-ji,> > Thanks for the detailed answer. I will treasure it.> > Just one more query...> > Say a house has three or 4 planets .. > > Say, Sun+Venus+Mercury> > 1) Can I take it as....> > Sun+Venus = Jup> Jup+ Mercury = Some planet > > 2) Does it matter which way I add ...> > Like I can add Sun+Mercury = Mars> > Then Mars+venus = some planet > > Or there are more details to be looked in to > (like maturity of planets / age etc)> > regards> > chakrabort> > > > [Chakraborty, PL] > ----Original Message-----> khurana_satpal [khurana_satpal]> Monday, October 20, 2008 12:40 PM> > Re: Masnuyee [ artificial ] planets> > > > > A Lal Kitab concept> > Dear Chakraborty ji,> > This is an extremely important concept of the Lal Kitab. > > This is not only important while analyzing a horoscope, > > it is very important in prescribing an upaya and to> > understand its logic.> > > > This concept of a masnuyee [ artificial ] planet is based > > on a very logical fact. When two colours get mixed a > > third colour is created. Similarly when two planets > > get together there is always a possibility of a third > > planet being formed out of this combination. The Lal > > Kitab has identified a few planets which form a > > meaningful and relevant third planet. Therefore, each> > planet is a result of two such constituents.> > > > Planets Masnuyee [ artificial ] planet formed> > > > Sun + Venus Jupiter> > Mercury + Venus Sun> > Sun + Jupiter Moon> > Rahu + Ketu Venus> > Sun + Mercury Mars { shubh }> > Sun + Saturn Mars { ashubh }> > Jupiter + Rahu Mercury> > Jupiter + Venus Saturn { Ketu swabhav }> > Mars + Mercury Saturn { Rahu swabhav }> > Mars + Saturn Rahu { Uchcha }> > Sun + Saturn Rahu { neech }> > Venus + Saturn Ketu { uchcha }> > Moon + Saturn Ketu { neech }> > > > In other words a Jupiter is made of two constituents :> > sun + venus. Therefore if these two planets are together> > in a house, then an LK astrologer should also assume an > > artificial [ masnuyee] Jupiter there and devise an> > upaya accordingly. > > > > { quoted from an article by Pt. Bhooshan Priya ji }> > > > Sincerely,> > > > S P Khurana> > > > > > > > , "Chakraborty, PL"> CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> > Dear Khuran-ji,> > > > As you have illustrated, I am aware that Lal Kitab uses the "masnuyee" > > concepts for combination of planets.> > > > > > > > > > Could you please give us some basic idea for combination for > > different planets and their "masnuyee" and their ages...> > > > > > if that is not too complex and exhaustive.> > > > regards> > > > chakraborty> > > > > > [Chakraborty, PL] > > > > > > khurana_satpal [khurana_satpal@]> > Saturday, October 18, 2008 11:09 PM> > > > Re: Planets speak...> > > > > > > > > > Lal Kitab perspective :> > > > Sirs,> > > > Jupiter + Venus in the 11th house> > > > Asar guru ka pahale ginate, peechhe shukra ka hota ho> > > > Bhala shukra ho ishqa mein umda, rizak manda nahi karta jo,> > > > Kamdevi jab keeda banta, asar do no ka manda ho.> > > > Sona guru jo dooja banata, mitti zard ab hota ho> > > > > > > > In this combination both these planets will give a combined> > > > effect till the age of 33 years. The combined effect will be that> > > > of masnuyee [ artificial ] Saturn of ketu swabhav i.e. Saturn > > > > benefic in other words achcha madadgar [ a good helper ]. This > > > > will always protect the native from dukha and beemari.> > > > > > > > After that both will give their independent effects in the house> > > > they are placed. In the results the effect of Jupiter will precede> > > > that of the Venus. The effect of the Venus will be 3.75 times > > > > more than that of the Jupiter. Even if the effect of the Jupiter might> > > > be of medium quality, the effect of the Venus will be good. He will > > > > always get help from the ladies or the ladies would come> > > > forward to help him always.> > > > > > > > If the Jupiter is weak or turned malefic by the actions of the > > > > native then the kismet will turn to yellow mud in place of > > > > gold. This may not affect his earnings though.> > > > > > > > If the native turns his venus malefic by too much of lust , > > > > or by seeking ishqa all around then the native will suffer > > > > from sexual weakness, specially if the 3rd house is unoccupied > > > > [ shri GKGoel ji has already talked about them]. This weakness can lead to> > the problems in begetting a child or might even be> > > > childless.> > > > > > Sincerely,> > > > S P Khurana> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > , Gopal Goel gkgoel1937@> > wrote:> > >> > > Dear Friend,> > > Jupiter +Venus in 11H for Aries Lagna may give results > > > as under;> > > 1. 11H is badhaka place , Venus is functional malefic > > > and marka planet . Aquarius is friendly sign for Venus.> > > 2. Jupiter is a trine lord will make Venus to give auspicious > > > results.> > > 3. Jupiter will not able to confer full auspicious results.> > > 4. 7H represent sex partner ,12H represent bed pleasure.> > > 11H represent friends and associates at work place.> > > And if such native will indulge in self-abuse and debauchery ,> > > may loose both money and may lead him to impotency.3H > > > PROVIDE VIPREET ARGALA TO 11H ,AND IF PLANETS> > > ARE PLACED IN 3H , SUCH TENDENCIES WILL BE CURBED.> > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > G.K.GOEL> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Chandu2chill nanna_id2006@> > > > > > Friday, 17 October, 2008 4:57:17 PM> > > Re: Planets speak...> > > > > > > > > Respected Neelm Ji,> > > > > > Thanks for your very informative and valuable inputs..indeed it is > > > very helpful with your brilliant explanations as usual!!> > > > > > //One can add many such issues, but it will also get moderated by the> > > placement mars the LL and sat, the 11L. Jup-ven dasha also is > > > challenging. //> > > > > > I agree all these classics, combinations are just indicatives we/i > > > just have to keep on learning.> > > > > > Even you know Bhavtra Ratanakara says especially for Aries Lagna > > > combination of Sun and Moon Confers RajaYoga!! 4L+5L. But he didn't > > > say in which house? what must be the degrees? avastas of planets > > > etc... But the basic astrology says Amavasya Moon is weak and malific> > > > > > coming back to Jup+Ve in 11H Aq we have Dhanistha 3,4th Padas > > > Shatabdisha, and PurvaBhadra 1,2,3 padas. What if these Jup+Venus are > > > in PB Nakshatra? where Jup is in own nakshatra in say in 3rd Pada and > > > Venus is in 1st pada and already joined by the Nakshatra lord. could > > > you please throw some light on practical indications of this > > > conjunction? > > > > > > Thank you once again for your educative post..> > > > > > Regards> > > > > > Chandu2Chill> > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "neelam gupta" > > > <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > > > > > Dear Chanduchill ji,> > > > > > Let us see what Jup+Venus may give?> > > > > > The classics would say: The person is very learned, blessed with a > > > virtuous spouse, wealthy, religious, virtuous, earns by the use of > > > learning. Saravali says, one, who has Jupiter and Venus together at > > > birth will live by education and arguments, will follow a highly > > > virtuous path, will have accurate conception, or notion (of things) > > > and will have a supreme wife. (Saravali)> > > > > > But the way we could judge the combination is thus:> > > > > > Jup and venus are both benefics and can never brutally harm a native.> > > Venus is neutral to Jupiter but Jupiter is inimical to venus. In > > > conjunction they become inimical.> > > > > > Venus is 2L/7L and Jupiter is 9L/12L> > > Venus is spouse and partnerships and Jupiter is wisdom and prosperity> > > > > > We get 4 combinations:> > > 2L+9L: good for financial gains, luck, family, knowledge of shastras,> > > traditional and good speech,etc> > > > > > 2L+12L: weak results of this combination, unless houses are strong by> > > placement of planets, as both are neutral houses> > > 7L+9L: Kendra-kona rajyog, strong results of this combination as both > > > MT> > > signs, virtuous and religious spouse, higher knowledge and > > > perception, etc.> > > 7L+12L: Not good for wife, can cause aloofness in her, or lives away > > > from wife. So ultimately a good wife, who might like to seek inner > > > wisdom and become indifferent to husband.> > > > > > The finer results will come from the lordships of venus and Jupiter > > > in the chart and other placements.> > > > > > //What happenn if this combination happens to be in BHADHKA STANA i.e.> > > 11H for Aries Lagna?Here Jup+Venus has direct aspect on 5H some say > > > it's malefic aspect and other say it's benefic aspect//> > > > > > For aries lagna, Jupiter + venus fall in 11H aquarius of saturn.> > > This would give a large circle of friends, social circle, gains, good> > > fortune, knowledge, good spouse, could be multiple > > > relationships/ marriage, etc.> > > > > > As Badhaksthan, 11H will throw up challenges for the lagna.> > > Challenges with social circle caused by over dynamic or pushy nature.> > > 11H in aquarius with Ju+ve will push the native towards good deeds, > > > like philanthropy. There would be challenges in this also, which > > > native should overcome.The challenges could be:> > > > > > Sickness, as 11H is 6th from 6H and is indicator of disease. As badhak> > > house, this can bring difficulties in life. Venus is double marak and> > > Jupiter is also 12L. 11H is also 7H for children, and Jup-ven are > > > aspecting the 5H. This can bring difficulties from children. Like > > > philanthropy later in life not liked by children.> > > > > > Losses can come from speculation as venus is 2L and Jup is 12L.> > > > > > One can add many such issues, but it will also get moderated by the> > > placement mars the LL and sat, the 11L. Jup-ven dasha also is > > > challenging.> > > > > > Hope it would help.> > > > > > Regards> > > Neelam> > > > > > > > > > > > Send free SMS to your Friends on Mobile from your Messenger.> > Download Now! http://messenger./download.php> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India.> The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to> this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may> contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not> the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this> e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this> message and any attachments.> >> > > > > > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. 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