Re:Moola Trikona

[Guest guest]

very well explained, Neelamji. This is in the same ( or more esoteric ) league as your earlier take on genetic developments. Is it self inspired or is there any scripture that has inspired you ? Pl do not mind my asking as the only purpose is to read that scripture or else can always look forward to your postings.

The explanation also helps in explaining Ketu.

 

thanks

 

Chiranjiv Mehta

[Guest guest]

Dear Sir,

 

But Ketu is not under discussion nor moola trikona for it has been

defined. Molla trikona Aries, Leo, Saggitarius are neither confined to

Ketu Star nor linked with it except that the satr s ketu is in 1, 5, 9

Rasies. These are Moola Trikona for Mars Sun and Jupiter. Where is the

Link to Ketu??

 

Ashwani etc are stars of Ketu only under Vimshottary system. Under

yogini Dasas their lords are some other planets. Under vedic system the

lord of Ashwani are Aswani kumar.

 

Where is the link up even mystically.??? Moola Trikona is a sign and

not a star????

 

 

 

 

 

cient_indian_astrology , chiranjiv mehta

<vchiranjiv wrote:

>

> very well explained, Neelamji. This is in the same ( or more

esoteric ) league as your earlier take on genetic developments. Is

it self inspired or is there any scripture that has inspired you ? Pl

do not mind my asking as the only purpose is to read that scripture or

else can always look forward to your postings.

> The explanation also helps in explaining Ketu.

>  

> thanks

>  

> Chiranjiv Mehta

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rajeevepandit ji,Namaste,We all have our limitations of learning and understanding and we are all here in this forum for sharing what we know and learning more from others. I may be totally wrong. I had just put my views in the group.

You seem to have a good understanding of systems and a fairly advanced knowledge about these issues. I am sure you can share with us your understanding about the mool trikona signs with the group. Everyone would greatly benefit from that.

RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Dr Neelam Sir and Group,

 

I just saw Your profile amd was really pleased to know that You did

research in Genetics.

 

To begin with I admit that I really do not know the answer to it or I

would not have posed the question.

 

I have some notions about it for I will put forward a few hypothesis.

 

First of all we all believe that all creation and organic structures ets

are similar but scales vary. That is what was pronounced in the dictum

of " Pinde and Brahamande " .

 

The role each element has to play in the creation and no one else can

play that role is, what is the basis of assigning Moola place and

similarilty of environment existing in trikona rasies to asiist creation

culminates or results inthe concept of Moola Trikana.

 

I praised you as Genetics man since what I am proposing now, no one

better than you can understand and further ellucidate on it for the

benefit of the group..

 

I repeat agian. My hyposthesis is that creation of huamn is akin to

creation of Universe (except for Big Bang though some bang is also

involved here). We can understand the unverse in reverse manner and

ditermine the role each element , tatve , guna plays at each stage.

 

Now please take The chart of Kaala Puusha (Aries as ascendant).

 

We Take that the commencement of the process of creation starts from

Aries. Here we take that a female concieves in the begining of aries.

The Moola element for sommencement of that process is Mars. Mars is

repeonsible for providing basic premordial fire (ovam and spermetoza)

and initial agni for cooking cooking (fertilisation , splitting cells

etc and commence the process). At this time the main role is being

played by Mars but secondary role of keeping readiness of soul and

commencement of Journey of Jeeve (jupiter has also begun). So Aries id

Moola rasi of Mars in conuction with elemnts called soul (5th house) and

Life on earth (Jupiter).

 

In the second month which element will develop the egg ?? Now, The Moon

will provide fertile groud in the second house. with Little help from

mercury being in trikona in the sixth. his is when formation of pinda in

the earthy shpe under fluid takes place. Third and fourth are

developement of th same.

 

The Sun will insert Prana in the fifth house in the fifth month into a

material created by mars and to be given a shape by Jupiter in the ninth

house.

 

In the sixth month when the time cycle is in Virgo Rasi, The Mercury

will take charge and provide the feotus senseory development, power of

hearing and greater movement. But again in conjuction with Moon.

 

In the seventh month sexual organs of the babay will be developed when

time cycle reach the Moolatrikna venus. venus will do it in conjuction

with saturn and also develop the bone structire fully.

 

Finally, in completion of the ninth month, when the time cycle or Kaala

chakra reached Jupiter, the life will be born in the world. Jeeva will

exercise the Jeevatwa at the end of ninth month. It will bring forth a

pinda of flesh (Mars) cintaing Prana (Sun).

 

Saturn with his Karma (1oth house) and results of all karmas (11th

house) will now take charge of the Jeeva / the new born.

 

 

Apply this thory in the creation of universe. We be aable to decipher

something more. Into it. The Sankhya thoey which has been put up by

Sreesog in the archives Throws some light on it.

 

All planets moving into their exaltion in todays palnetary cycle and

aptter is not possible as as one of the planet will be left out. However

all planets in their Moola trikona is highly possible. as demonstated

avove.

 

In the cycle of human birth the Aries one degree is Adhna Moon and his

birth is in the culmination or during Ninth house time. Soyul is said

to eneter prperly during the fifth month in the fifth house.

 

Conversely, the commencement is Fith house and Janma is in Lagan but

that theory is better applied to ditermination of birth Lagna.

 

If Moola trikona has degrees, is based on the difference of openions in

the interpretaion of one Varhamihira verse in which he lays down degree

of exaltion. Now one school says that that is the degree of exaltion and

the other says it is upto that degree. Say for Sun one school say

exaltation of Sun is 10 degrees Aries. The other says it is upto 10

degrees Aries. Rest is Moola trikona. There is no decision on that.

Verdicyt on such issues can only be out by application on charts rather

than Arm chair discussion, which many of our astro ancestors seem to

have resorted to. The terms used by Mihira himself like Swauchcha,

Uchchaa, Parmochha etc are undefined and only lead to speculation.

 

My limited knowlwdge, is only that much which i have vommitted out.

 

The above is only a hint and not explanation for Moola trikona though

the propostion works out very well.

 

Kindly do not take any thing amiss . Unless we thrash ideas (not each

other) we will not reach any where.

 

You are welcome to thrash this in any manner.

 

Comments from members must come or it would be of no use.

 

Thank You.

 

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Rajeevepandit ji,

>

> Namaste,

>

> We all have our limitations of learning and understanding and we are

all

> here in this forum for sharing what we know and learning more from

others. I

> may be totally wrong. I had just put my views in the group.

> You seem to have a good understanding of systems and a fairly advanced

> knowledge about these issues. I am sure you can share with us your

> understanding about the mool trikona signs with the group. Everyone

would

> greatly benefit from that.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rajeevpandit ji,

 

Thank you for the nice post. What you say is correct and gives an

explanation of how rashis take us through the cycle of procreation and the

same is reflected on a larger scale in the cosmic cycle.

 

But I also feel that some points remain unanswered with this (rashi)

approach. More clarity comes with nakshatra approach.

 

Our sages like Parashara, have clearly given degrees for mooltrikon and own

house. Even if we got deviated a little, having own sign and MT degrees in

same rashi do have a purpose. This differentiation is subtly based on the

nakshatras.

 

The mooltrikonas basically relate to the progress at the level of soul, and

is more of a function of dharma trikon and initial degrees of the change in

cycle at 1-5-9. The first (moola) group (triad) of stars - ashwini, magha

and moola generally cover these degrees. Even of we don't give them lordship

of ketu, the fact remains that these stars fall in MT of mars, sun and Jup.

This can also explain the nomenclature of mooltrikona (literally the

primary/basic/fundamental triad).

 

Take mercury for example, only nakshatra approach can give us the

distinction between the three different positions in the same house. Very

typically mercury gets its MT degrees in Hasta, Moon's nakshatra. Why?

 

We can wait for the other learned members put forth their views on this.

 

Regards

Neelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Rajeevpunditjee,

 

I enjoyed your detailed write up and thank you for the same.

 

Now would you please guide us how we can use this vast knowledge in

Predictive astrology ? That is how we can apply this in principle to,

search for events, identify them and time them ?

 

Please illustrate with a few examples using this knowledge as a base for

us to learn. A few pointers mentioned in serialwise to serve as a guide

for identification of required insights, would certainly be appreciated.

 

regards,

 

Bhaskar.

 

 

 

 

 

 

, " raajeevapndit "

<raajeevapndit wrote:

>

>

> Dr Neelam Sir and Group,

>

> I just saw Your profile amd was really pleased to know that You did

> research in Genetics.

>

> To begin with I admit that I really do not know the answer to it or I

> would not have posed the question.

>

> I have some notions about it for I will put forward a few hypothesis.

>

> First of all we all believe that all creation and organic structures

ets

> are similar but scales vary. That is what was pronounced in the dictum

> of " Pinde and Brahamande " .

>

> The role each element has to play in the creation and no one else can

> play that role is, what is the basis of assigning Moola place and

> similarilty of environment existing in trikona rasies to asiist

creation

> culminates or results inthe concept of Moola Trikana.

>

> I praised you as Genetics man since what I am proposing now, no one

> better than you can understand and further ellucidate on it for the

> benefit of the group..

>

> I repeat agian. My hyposthesis is that creation of huamn is akin to

> creation of Universe (except for Big Bang though some bang is also

> involved here). We can understand the unverse in reverse manner and

> ditermine the role each element , tatve , guna plays at each stage.

>

> Now please take The chart of Kaala Puusha (Aries as ascendant).

>

> We Take that the commencement of the process of creation starts from

> Aries. Here we take that a female concieves in the begining of aries.

> The Moola element for sommencement of that process is Mars. Mars is

> repeonsible for providing basic premordial fire (ovam and spermetoza)

> and initial agni for cooking cooking (fertilisation , splitting cells

> etc and commence the process). At this time the main role is being

> played by Mars but secondary role of keeping readiness of soul and

> commencement of Journey of Jeeve (jupiter has also begun). So Aries id

> Moola rasi of Mars in conuction with elemnts called soul (5th house)

and

> Life on earth (Jupiter).

>

> In the second month which element will develop the egg ?? Now, The

Moon

> will provide fertile groud in the second house. with Little help from

> mercury being in trikona in the sixth. his is when formation of pinda

in

> the earthy shpe under fluid takes place. Third and fourth are

> developement of th same.

>

> The Sun will insert Prana in the fifth house in the fifth month into a

> material created by mars and to be given a shape by Jupiter in the

ninth

> house.

>

> In the sixth month when the time cycle is in Virgo Rasi, The Mercury

> will take charge and provide the feotus senseory development, power of

> hearing and greater movement. But again in conjuction with Moon.

>

> In the seventh month sexual organs of the babay will be developed when

> time cycle reach the Moolatrikna venus. venus will do it in conjuction

> with saturn and also develop the bone structire fully.

>

> Finally, in completion of the ninth month, when the time cycle or

Kaala

> chakra reached Jupiter, the life will be born in the world. Jeeva will

> exercise the Jeevatwa at the end of ninth month. It will bring forth a

> pinda of flesh (Mars) cintaing Prana (Sun).

>

> Saturn with his Karma (1oth house) and results of all karmas (11th

> house) will now take charge of the Jeeva / the new born.

>

>

> Apply this thory in the creation of universe. We be aable to decipher

> something more. Into it. The Sankhya thoey which has been put up by

> Sreesog in the archives Throws some light on it.

>

> All planets moving into their exaltion in todays palnetary cycle and

> aptter is not possible as as one of the planet will be left out.

However

> all planets in their Moola trikona is highly possible. as demonstated

> avove.

>

> In the cycle of human birth the Aries one degree is Adhna Moon and his

> birth is in the culmination or during Ninth house time. Soyul is said

> to eneter prperly during the fifth month in the fifth house.

>

> Conversely, the commencement is Fith house and Janma is in Lagan but

> that theory is better applied to ditermination of birth Lagna.

>

> If Moola trikona has degrees, is based on the difference of openions

in

> the interpretaion of one Varhamihira verse in which he lays down

degree

> of exaltion. Now one school says that that is the degree of exaltion

and

> the other says it is upto that degree. Say for Sun one school say

> exaltation of Sun is 10 degrees Aries. The other says it is upto 10

> degrees Aries. Rest is Moola trikona. There is no decision on that.

> Verdicyt on such issues can only be out by application on charts

rather

> than Arm chair discussion, which many of our astro ancestors seem to

> have resorted to. The terms used by Mihira himself like Swauchcha,

> Uchchaa, Parmochha etc are undefined and only lead to speculation.

>

> My limited knowlwdge, is only that much which i have vommitted out.

>

> The above is only a hint and not explanation for Moola trikona though

> the propostion works out very well.

>

> Kindly do not take any thing amiss . Unless we thrash ideas (not each

> other) we will not reach any where.

>

> You are welcome to thrash this in any manner.

>

> Comments from members must come or it would be of no use.

>

> Thank You.

>

>

> , " neelam gupta "

> neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> >

> > Dear Rajeevepandit ji,

> >

> > Namaste,

> >

> > We all have our limitations of learning and understanding and we are

> all

> > here in this forum for sharing what we know and learning more from

> others. I

> > may be totally wrong. I had just put my views in the group.

> > You seem to have a good understanding of systems and a fairly

advanced

> > knowledge about these issues. I am sure you can share with us your

> > understanding about the mool trikona signs with the group. Everyone

> would

> > greatly benefit from that.

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr Bhaskar,

 

I just proposed an idea which may be asolutely cockiad and useless. I

myself am not clear what this bird called Moola trikona is all about.

 

I astrology all of us are badly preoccupied with christain idea of

Good and Evil. In Hindu Philosophy even Ravan was not so bad. Even

Bali had his reasons of what he did.

Similarily the idea os Devil, seatn versus God does not exist in

Vedas and Upnishadas. It somehow cept in much later. We are a people

of balanced view.

 

To my mind the triod og First house, second House, Third House and

the Forth house, as explained by Mr Bhardwaj actaully of graet

Sinificance.

 

For some time one should forget Rasies in the houses of a chart. The

first analysis a chart must undergo is like a Kalapurusha Chart. If

there is Moon in the second house in scorpio, in the first phase of

analysis it must be Considered Very Good (exalted) when one comes to

the second round, then Moons environment must be considred bad.

 

Moola trikona in all cases must be considred all two level. First at

house level and second at Rasi Level. When we say Jupiter in 9th

House, irrespctive of Rasi It has to produce good result for the

Ninth house. Krakatwa is very strong. All thing related to Karktwa of

Jupiter will never suffer.

 

Second stage. Jupiter as lord of 3rd and 12th house in the ninth

occupying Rasi of enemy. Now the matter signified by Third and 12th

house will suffer.

 

I hope I have some progress in expalaining differences in Karakatwa,

and functional nature of palnet.

 

That is how the two elements come into play.

 

Thank You

 

 

>

>

> Dear Rajeevpunditjee,

>

> I enjoyed your detailed write up and thank you for the same.

>

> Now would you please guide us how we can use this vast knowledge in

> Predictive astrology ? That is how we can apply this in principle

to,

> search for events, identify them and time them ?

>

> Please illustrate with a few examples using this knowledge as a

base for

> us to learn. A few pointers mentioned in serialwise to serve as a

guide

> for identification of required insights, would certainly be

appreciated.

>

> regards,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Rajeevpunditji,

// I myself am not clear what this bird called Moola trikona is all about. //

 

But You are still attempting to teach all of us about Mool trikona.

Please do not use derogatory terms for the basis made by our Rishi Munis of the past. If you are not clear about it, does not man that it becomes a bird.

// I astrology all of us are badly preoccupied with christain idea ofGood and Evil. //

 

You may say " Most of us ", but not say " All of us ".

 

// In Hindu Philosophy even Ravan was not so bad. //

 

It may have been written in Hindu texts that Ravana was

good in so and so, but Where is it written that Ravana was

not so bad in Hindu philosphy ?

// For some time one should forget Rasies in the houses of a chart. //

 

If we forget this, then from where does the Mooltrikona spring from ?

 

// The first analysis a chart must undergo is like a Kalapurusha Chart. Ifthere is Moon in the second house in scorpio, //

 

How can Kalpurusha Chart have Moon in second house in Scorpio ? And now why are you taking the raashi after asking us to forget this for some time ?

 

// in the first phase of analysis it must be Considered Very Good

(exalted) when one comes to the second round, then Moons environment

must be considred bad.//

 

What is the meaning of round, from where to begin counting, from when

to begin counting, it must be considered very good in what, and considered bad in what areas ? How to reckon the first round and the subsequent ones ? Till when to continue ? Please explain. // Moola trikona in all cases must be considred all two level. First athouse level and second at Rasi Level. When we say Jupiter in 9thHouse, irrespctive of Rasi It has to produce good result for theNinth house. Krakatwa is very strong. All thing related to Karktwa ofJupiter will never suffer.Second stage. Jupiter as lord of 3rd and 12th house in the ninthoccupying Rasi of enemy. Now the matter signified by Third and 12thhouse will suffer. //

 

So actually what should one consider the results as ? The first para, or the second para, for Jupiter in 9th ?// I hope I have some progress in expalaining differences in Karakatwa,and functional nature of palnet. //

 

What is the difference in -

1) Karakatwa.

2) Functional Nature of Planet.

3) Mooltrikona.

 

How can one define a Mooltrikona if we do not take the signs

( Raashi) in consideration ? // That is how the two elements come into play.//

 

Which two elements ?

How to understand whether this play will give pain or pleasure,

in which areas? and when ?

I am sorry, we are not talking about Mooltrikona, we are miles

away from the meaning of Mooltrikonas, there has been a confused mix

of qualities, triplicities and various sytems like Lalkitab, Nadi, and Parashari here, and no resemblance even minute,to the predictive part.

 

Please answer the above queries and enlighten us .

Thank You

Bhaskar.

 

, "raajeevapndit" <raajeevapndit wrote:>> Dear Mr Bhaskar,> > I just proposed an idea which may be asolutely cockiad and useless. I> myself am not clear what this bird called Moola trikona is all about.> > I astrology all of us are badly preoccupied with christain idea of> Good and Evil. In Hindu Philosophy even Ravan was not so bad. Even> Bali had his reasons of what he did.> Similarily the idea os Devil, seatn versus God does not exist in> Vedas and Upnishadas. It somehow cept in much later. We are a people> of balanced view.> > To my mind the triod og First house, second House, Third House and> the Forth house, as explained by Mr Bhardwaj actaully of graet> Sinificance.> > For some time one should forget Rasies in the houses of a chart. The> first analysis a chart must undergo is like a Kalapurusha Chart. If> there is Moon in the second house in scorpio, in the first phase of> analysis it must be Considered Very Good (exalted) when one comes to> the second round, then Moons environment must be considred bad.> > Moola trikona in all cases must be considred all two level. First at> house level and second at Rasi Level. When we say Jupiter in 9th> House, irrespctive of Rasi It has to produce good result for the> Ninth house. Krakatwa is very strong. All thing related to Karktwa of> Jupiter will never suffer.> > Second stage. Jupiter as lord of 3rd and 12th house in the ninth> occupying Rasi of enemy. Now the matter signified by Third and 12th> house will suffer.> > I hope I have some progress in expalaining differences in Karakatwa,> and functional nature of palnet.> > That is how the two elements come into play.> > Thank You> > > >> >> > Dear Rajeevpunditjee,> >> > I enjoyed your detailed write up and thank you for the same.> >> > Now would you please guide us how we can use this vast knowledge in> > Predictive astrology ? That is how we can apply this in principle> to,> > search for events, identify them and time them ?> >> > Please illustrate with a few examples using this knowledge as a> base for> > us to learn. A few pointers mentioned in serialwise to serve as a> guide> > for identification of required insights, would certainly be> appreciated.> >> > regards,> >> > Bhaskar.> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Raajeevapndit ji, A good mail - things well said. There is already a pdf file present in the files section of the group with looks at Moola Trikona signs in almost the same perspective - An exract from the book 'Jyotisha Siddhanta Sara'. The link is: Articles%20and%20E-books/Sign_Base_Jyotisha_Sidhanta_Sara.pdf Love and regards,Sreenadh