Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Like the horoscope of one spouse is influenced by that of the other spouse so also the horoscope of the prospective president will be effected by that of the prospective vice-president. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya aphoton47 <aphoton47 Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2008 11:43:50 AM Shloka from Jataka Parijata The following is supposed to be a shloka from Jataka Parijata and thiscombination exists in the chart of Senator Barack Obama, Democraticcandidate for President. Based on what I think this combinationmeans, I'd hazard that Sen. Obama will be the winner.I know that the shloka states that debilitated Jupiter in theascendant and a malefic in the eighth house makes the individual aking. However, what does "Rasyamsa Samanvithe" mean?I know it refers to the navamsa of the malefic in the eighth house,but what exactly does it mean? Any Sanskrit scholars here?Also, even though the shloka is supposed to be in Jataka Parijata, Iwas not able to find it in the text, but I may not have looked carefully.Lagne Neechabhagriye Purandara Gurau,Randhreshe Papagrahe,Thath Rasyamsa Samanvithe Yadi ThathaRajadhirajo Bhaveth--Radha S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 hare rama krishna dear radha ji i think this Rasyamsa Samanvithe means they hav given there amsa in those rasies ,means vargottam ( same placement in rasi and navamsas ) planets . let us wait for other more learned ppl opinions regrds sunil nair , "aphoton47" <aphoton47 wrote:>> The following is supposed to be a shloka from Jataka Parijata and this> combination exists in the chart of Senator Barack Obama, Democratic> candidate for President. Based on what I think this combination> means, I'd hazard that Sen. Obama will be the winner.> > I know that the shloka states that debilitated Jupiter in the> ascendant and a malefic in the eighth house makes the individual a> king. However, what does "Rasyamsa Samanvithe" mean?> I know it refers to the navamsa of the malefic in the eighth house,> but what exactly does it mean? Any Sanskrit scholars here?> > Also, even though the shloka is supposed to be in Jataka Parijata, I> was not able to find it in the text, but I may not have looked carefully.> > Lagne Neechabhagriye Purandara Gurau,> Randhreshe Papagrahe,> Thath Rasyamsa Samanvithe Yadi Thatha> Rajadhirajo Bhaveth> > --Radha S.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Dear Radhaji, The copy which I have gives the verse as under: Chapter 7 verse 25 Lagne neechagrahe purandaregurau randhre sapapagrahe tadrashyanshasamanvite yadi tada rajadhirajo bhavet I think it means if a planet is debilitated in the lagna, and be aspected by jupiter; a malefic be in the eighth sign and occupy the navamsa of that sign, then the native will be the king of kings. I am not sure how far I am right, but this does not look like an easy combination. Regards, bhagavathi , " aphoton47 " <aphoton47 wrote: > > The following is supposed to be a shloka from Jataka Parijata and this > combination exists in the chart of Senator Barack Obama, Democratic > candidate for President. Based on what I think this combination > means, I'd hazard that Sen. Obama will be the winner. > > I know that the shloka states that debilitated Jupiter in the > ascendant and a malefic in the eighth house makes the individual a > king. However, what does " Rasyamsa Samanvithe " mean? > I know it refers to the navamsa of the malefic in the eighth house, > but what exactly does it mean? Any Sanskrit scholars here? > > Also, even though the shloka is supposed to be in Jataka Parijata, I > was not able to find it in the text, but I may not have looked carefully. > > Lagne Neechabhagriye Purandara Gurau, > Randhreshe Papagrahe, > Thath Rasyamsa Samanvithe Yadi Thatha > Rajadhirajo Bhaveth > > --Radha S. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Dear Friend, The sloka number is probably 15 and not 25, In my opinion Jupiter aspect is not mentioned in this sloka. Then this sloka may be interpreted as under: "  A debilitated planet with Jupiter in Lagna , and a natural malefic in 8H in the Navamsa of 8H sign will generate Raj yoga " This yoga is not applicable to the nativity of Mr. Obama fully.  Irrespective of fact weather he will win or loose in election , he is already enjoying the Rajyoga par excellent. The reasons are : Atmakarka Mars and Amatyakarka Rahu are in 8H with HL and are aspecting by sign aspect to AL, Lagna , SL and GL all placed in angular houses.This is a very powerful Rajyoga.  Further , 12HL in debility and Lords of 6,8 and 12 houses are in mutual aspect. All these yogas are producing a powerful person ,whom one can hope to become President. This analysis is based on Capricorn Lagna based on the Time of birth supposed to be given in his hospital birth certificate.  Winning a election depends on opponent nativity also. Regards,   G.K.GOEL bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan Monday, 1 September, 2008 9:15:28 AM Re: Shloka from Jataka Parijata Dear Radhaji, The copy which I have gives the verse as under: Chapter 7 verse 25 Lagne neechagrahe purandaregurau randhre sapapagrahe tadrashyanshasamanv ite yadi tada rajadhirajo bhavet I think it means if a planet is debilitated in the lagna, and be aspected by jupiter; a malefic be in the eighth sign and occupy the navamsa of that sign, then the native will be the king of kings. I am not sure how far I am right, but this does not look like an easy combination. Regards, bhagavathi ancient_indian_ astrology, " aphoton47 " <aphoton47@. ..> wrote: > > The following is supposed to be a shloka from Jataka Parijata and this > combination exists in the chart of Senator Barack Obama, Democratic > candidate for President. Based on what I think this combination > means, I'd hazard that Sen. Obama will be the winner. > > I know that the shloka states that debilitated Jupiter in the > ascendant and a malefic in the eighth house makes the individual a > king. However, what does " Rasyamsa Samanvithe " mean? > I know it refers to the navamsa of the malefic in the eighth house, > but what exactly does it mean? Any Sanskrit scholars here? > > Also, even though the shloka is supposed to be in Jataka Parijata, I > was not able to find it in the text, but I may not have looked carefully. > > Lagne Neechabhagriye Purandara Gurau, > Randhreshe Papagrahe, > Thath Rasyamsa Samanvithe Yadi Thatha > Rajadhirajo Bhaveth > > --Radha S. > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 There appears to be discrepancies in the birth time of Obama. My information shows that he has Tula as the lagna. Therefore, Jupiter is neechabhanga rajayoga in the 4th house. And, he has Sun and Mercury in the 10th house, thus accounting for his success in politics and the government. , " aphoton47 " <aphoton wrote: > > The following is supposed to be a shloka from Jataka Parijata and this > combination exists in the chart of Senator Barack Obama, Democratic > candidate for President. Based on what I think this combination > means, I'd hazard that Sen. Obama will be the winner. > > I know that the shloka states that debilitated Jupiter in the > ascendant and a malefic in the eighth house makes the individual a > king. However, what does " Rasyamsa Samanvithe " mean? > I know it refers to the navamsa of the malefic in the eighth house, > but what exactly does it mean? Any Sanskrit scholars here? > > Also, even though the shloka is supposed to be in Jataka Parijata, I > was not able to find it in the text, but I may not have looked carefully. > > Lagne Neechabhagriye Purandara Gurau, > Randhreshe Papagrahe, > Thath Rasyamsa Samanvithe Yadi Thatha > Rajadhirajo Bhaveth > > --Radha S. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Dear Radha ji,Obama's most accepted lagna is Tula. In any case, no one has taken makar as lagna for him. So the shloka, whatever it means, cannot be applied to Obama's chart.Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Goel ji, You are correct. It is Ch. 7, verse 15 in the translation by V. Subramanya Sastri. --Radha S. vedic astrology , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Dear Friend, > The sloka number is probably 15 and not 25, > In my opinion Jupiter aspect is not mentioned in this sloka. > Then this sloka may be interpreted as under: > "  A debilitated planet with Jupiter in Lagna , and a natural malefic in > 8H in the Navamsa of 8H sign will generate Raj yoga " > This yoga is not applicable to the nativity of Mr. Obama fully. >  > Irrespective of fact weather he will win or loose in election , > he is already enjoying the Rajyoga par excellent. The reasons are : > Atmakarka Mars and Amatyakarka Rahu are in 8H with HL and > are aspecting by sign aspect to AL, Lagna , SL and GL all placed in > angular houses.This is a very powerful Rajyoga. >  > Further , 12HL in debility and Lords of 6,8 and 12 houses are in > mutual aspect. > All these yogas are producing a powerful person ,whom one can hope > to become President. > This analysis is based on Capricorn Lagna based on the Time of birth > supposed to be given in his hospital birth certificate. >  > Winning a election depends on opponent nativity also. > Regards, >  > >  > G.K.GOEL > > > > > bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan > > Monday, 1 September, 2008 9:15:28 AM > Re: Shloka from Jataka Parijata > > > Dear Radhaji, > > The copy which I have gives the verse as under: > > Chapter 7 verse 25 > > Lagne neechagrahe purandaregurau randhre sapapagrahe > tadrashyanshasamanv ite yadi tada rajadhirajo bhavet > > I think it means if a planet is debilitated in the lagna, and be > aspected by jupiter; a malefic be in the eighth sign and occupy the > navamsa of that sign, then the native will be the king of kings. > > I am not sure how far I am right, but this does not look like an easy > combination. > > Regards, > > bhagavathi > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " aphoton47 " > <aphoton47@ ..> wrote: > > > > The following is supposed to be a shloka from Jataka Parijata and > this > > combination exists in the chart of Senator Barack Obama, Democratic > > candidate for President. Based on what I think this combination > > means, I'd hazard that Sen. Obama will be the winner. > > > > I know that the shloka states that debilitated Jupiter in the > > ascendant and a malefic in the eighth house makes the individual a > > king. However, what does " Rasyamsa Samanvithe " mean? > > I know it refers to the navamsa of the malefic in the eighth house, > > but what exactly does it mean? Any Sanskrit scholars here? > > > > Also, even though the shloka is supposed to be in Jataka Parijata, I > > was not able to find it in the text, but I may not have looked > carefully. > > > > Lagne Neechabhagriye Purandara Gurau, > > Randhreshe Papagrahe, > > Thath Rasyamsa Samanvithe Yadi Thatha > > Rajadhirajo Bhaveth > > > > --Radha S. > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Adarniya Goel ji. Please do not take it as interference. The sloka quoted is : " Lagne neechagrahe purandaregurau randhre sapapagrahe > tadrashyanshasamanv ite yadi tada rajadhirajo bhavet The correct sloka is : " Lagne neechagrihe (GRIHE NOT GRAHE) purandaregurau randhre sapaapagrahe (here it is GRAHE) > tadramsa-cha-shamanvite yadi tada rajadhirajo bhavet " It simply means " If Jupiter is in debility in Lagna (meaning Capricorn as Lagna) and another Papa Graha occupies eight house at the same Navamas (means Leo Navamsa), the person will become Rajadhraj (king like). I hope That is the striaghtforward meaning. Ragards. OM NAMO NARYANA vedic astrology , Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937 wrote: > > Dear Friend, > The sloka number is probably 15 and not 25, > In my opinion Jupiter aspect is not mentioned in this sloka. > Then this sloka may be interpreted as under: > "  A debilitated planet with Jupiter in Lagna , and a natural malefic in > 8H in the Navamsa of 8H sign will generate Raj yoga " > This yoga is not applicable to the nativity of Mr. Obama fully. >  > Irrespective of fact weather he will win or loose in election , > he is already enjoying the Rajyoga par excellent. The reasons are : > Atmakarka Mars and Amatyakarka Rahu are in 8H with HL and > are aspecting by sign aspect to AL, Lagna , SL and GL all placed in > angular houses.This is a very powerful Rajyoga. >  > Further , 12HL in debility and Lords of 6,8 and 12 houses are in > mutual aspect. > All these yogas are producing a powerful person ,whom one can hope > to become President. > This analysis is based on Capricorn Lagna based on the Time of birth > supposed to be given in his hospital birth certificate. >  > Winning a election depends on opponent nativity also. > Regards, >  > >  > G.K.GOEL > > > > > bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan > > Monday, 1 September, 2008 9:15:28 AM > Re: Shloka from Jataka Parijata > > > Dear Radhaji, > > The copy which I have gives the verse as under: > > Chapter 7 verse 25 > > Lagne neechagrahe purandaregurau randhre sapapagrahe > tadrashyanshasamanv ite yadi tada rajadhirajo bhavet > > I think it means if a planet is debilitated in the lagna, and be > aspected by jupiter; a malefic be in the eighth sign and occupy the > navamsa of that sign, then the native will be the king of kings. > > I am not sure how far I am right, but this does not look like an easy > combination. > > Regards, > > bhagavathi > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " aphoton47 " > <aphoton47@ ..> wrote: > > > > The following is supposed to be a shloka from Jataka Parijata and > this > > combination exists in the chart of Senator Barack Obama, Democratic > > candidate for President. Based on what I think this combination > > means, I'd hazard that Sen. Obama will be the winner. > > > > I know that the shloka states that debilitated Jupiter in the > > ascendant and a malefic in the eighth house makes the individual a > > king. However, what does " Rasyamsa Samanvithe " mean? > > I know it refers to the navamsa of the malefic in the eighth house, > > but what exactly does it mean? Any Sanskrit scholars here? > > > > Also, even though the shloka is supposed to be in Jataka Parijata, I > > was not able to find it in the text, but I may not have looked > carefully. > > > > Lagne Neechabhagriye Purandara Gurau, > > Randhreshe Papagrahe, > > Thath Rasyamsa Samanvithe Yadi Thatha > > Rajadhirajo Bhaveth > > > > --Radha S. > > > > > > > Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on http://help./l/in//mail/mail/tools/tools-08.html/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Dear Friend, The sloka number is probably 15 and not 25, In my opinion Jupiter aspect is not mentioned in this sloka. Then this sloka may be interpreted as under: " A debilitated planet with Jupiter in Lagna , and a natural malefic in 8H in the Navamsa of 8H sign will generate Raj yoga" This yoga is not applicable to the nativity of Mr. Obama fully. Irrespective of fact weather he will win or loose in election , he is already enjoying the Rajyoga par excellent. The reasons are : Atmakarka Mars and Amatyakarka Rahu are in 8H with HL and are aspecting by sign aspect to AL, Lagna , SL and GL all placed in angular houses.This is a very powerful Rajyoga. Further , 12HL in debility and Lords of 6,8 and 12 houses are in mutual aspect. All these yogas are producing a powerful person ,whom one can hope to become President. This analysis is based on Capricorn Lagna based on the Time of birth supposed to be given in his hospital birth certificate. Winning a election depends on opponent nativity also. Regards, G.K.GOEL bhagavathi_hariharan <bhagavathi_hariharan Sent: Monday, 1 September, 2008 9:15:28 AM Re: Shloka from Jataka Parijata Dear Radhaji,The copy which I have gives the verse as under:Chapter 7 verse 25Lagne neechagrahe purandaregurau randhre sapapagrahetadrashyanshasamanv ite yadi tada rajadhirajo bhavetI think it means if a planet is debilitated in the lagna, and be aspected by jupiter; a malefic be in the eighth sign and occupy the navamsa of that sign, then the native will be the king of kings.I am not sure how far I am right, but this does not look like an easy combination.Regards,bhagavathi ancient_indian_ astrology, "aphoton47" <aphoton47@. ..> wrote:>> The following is supposed to be a shloka from Jataka Parijata and this> combination exists in the chart of Senator Barack Obama, Democratic> candidate for President. Based on what I think this combination> means, I'd hazard that Sen. Obama will be the winner.> > I know that the shloka states that debilitated Jupiter in the> ascendant and a malefic in the eighth house makes the individual a> king. However, what does "Rasyamsa Samanvithe" mean?> I know it refers to the navamsa of the malefic in the eighth house,> but what exactly does it mean? Any Sanskrit scholars here?> > Also, even though the shloka is supposed to be in Jataka Parijata, I> was not able to find it in the text, but I may not have looked carefully.> > Lagne Neechabhagriye Purandara Gurau,> Randhreshe Papagrahe,> Thath Rasyamsa Samanvithe Yadi Thatha> Rajadhirajo Bhaveth> > --Radha S.> Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 madam rahaji, and other members, very interesting sloka. i have known another similar chart of mr.y.s.raja sekhar reddy cm of ap. he has guru debilitated and in 8th house saturn. his birth details :(may be correct data) 7th july 1949 time 21.01.01 hrs please give your comments ramesh murthy aphoton47 <aphoton47 Monday, 1 September, 2008 12:13:50 AM Shloka from Jataka Parijata The following is supposed to be a shloka from Jataka Parijata and this combination exists in the chart of Senator Barack Obama, Democratic candidate for President. Based on what I think this combination means, I'd hazard that Sen. Obama will be the winner. I know that the shloka states that debilitated Jupiter in the ascendant and a malefic in the eighth house makes the individual a king. However, what does " Rasyamsa Samanvithe " mean? I know it refers to the navamsa of the malefic in the eighth house, but what exactly does it mean? Any Sanskrit scholars here? Also, even though the shloka is supposed to be in Jataka Parijata, I was not able to find it in the text, but I may not have looked carefully. Lagne Neechabhagriye Purandara Gurau, Randhreshe Papagrahe, Thath Rasyamsa Samanvithe Yadi Thatha Rajadhirajo Bhaveth --Radha S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Dear members, The shloka is 15th and 2nd volum and translation given by Pt. V.Subrahmanya Shastri states " If Jupiter be depressed in the lagna and 8th house occupied by a malefic planet, and the navamsha of 8th bhava (64th from lagna) be that of a rashi own by the malefic planet in question, under this yoga also will be born a king of kings. " ancient_indian_ astrology, " aphoton47 " <aphoton47@. ..> wrote: > > The following is supposed to be a shloka from Jataka Parijata and this > combination exists in the chart of Senator Barack Obama, Democratic > candidate for President. Based on what I think this combination > means, I'd hazard that Sen. Obama will be the winner. > > I know that the shloka states that debilitated Jupiter in the > ascendant and a malefic in the eighth house makes the individual a > king. However, what does " Rasyamsa Samanvithe " mean? > I know it refers to the navamsa of the malefic in the eighth house, > but what exactly does it mean? Any Sanskrit scholars here? > > Also, even though the shloka is supposed to be in Jataka Parijata, I > was not able to find it in the text, but I may not have looked carefully. > > Lagne Neechabhagriye Purandara Gurau, > Randhreshe Papagrahe, > Thath Rasyamsa Samanvithe Yadi Thatha > Rajadhirajo Bhaveth > > --Radha S. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 John: My 2 cents. Birth certificate shows 7:11pm. It was scanned and posted on a website. Please google it to actually find it. Now nobody is disputing this scanned version. Earlier people were were using libra lagna etc. , " John " <jr_esq wrote: > > There appears to be discrepancies in the birth time of Obama. My > information shows that he has Tula as the lagna. Therefore, Jupiter > is neechabhanga rajayoga in the 4th house. And, he has Sun and > Mercury in the 10th house, thus accounting for his success in > politics and the government. > > > > , " aphoton47 " <aphoton@> wrote: > > > > The following is supposed to be a shloka from Jataka Parijata and > this > > combination exists in the chart of Senator Barack Obama, Democratic > > candidate for President. Based on what I think this combination > > means, I'd hazard that Sen. Obama will be the winner. > > > > I know that the shloka states that debilitated Jupiter in the > > ascendant and a malefic in the eighth house makes the individual a > > king. However, what does " Rasyamsa Samanvithe " mean? > > I know it refers to the navamsa of the malefic in the eighth house, > > but what exactly does it mean? Any Sanskrit scholars here? > > > > Also, even though the shloka is supposed to be in Jataka Parijata, I > > was not able to find it in the text, but I may not have looked > carefully. > > > > Lagne Neechabhagriye Purandara Gurau, > > Randhreshe Papagrahe, > > Thath Rasyamsa Samanvithe Yadi Thatha > > Rajadhirajo Bhaveth > > > > --Radha S. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Murthy ji, Is this the correct data? If it is, then Jupiter gives Neechabhanga raja yoga through Mars, and yoga should be experienced in the dasas of Jupiter and Mars. --Radha , Ramesh Murthy <maharshi32 wrote: > > madam rahaji, and other members, > > very interesting sloka. i have known another similar chart of mr.y.s.raja sekhar reddy cm of ap. > he has guru debilitated and in 8th house saturn. > his birth details :(may be correct data) > 7th july 1949 time 21.01.01 hrs > > please give your comments > > ramesh murthy > > > aphoton47 <aphoton47 > > Monday, 1 September, 2008 12:13:50 AM > Shloka from Jataka Parijata > > > The following is supposed to be a shloka from Jataka Parijata and this > combination exists in the chart of Senator Barack Obama, Democratic > candidate for President. Based on what I think this combination > means, I'd hazard that Sen. Obama will be the winner. > > I know that the shloka states that debilitated Jupiter in the > ascendant and a malefic in the eighth house makes the individual a > king. However, what does " Rasyamsa Samanvithe " mean? > I know it refers to the navamsa of the malefic in the eighth house, > but what exactly does it mean? Any Sanskrit scholars here? > > Also, even though the shloka is supposed to be in Jataka Parijata, I > was not able to find it in the text, but I may not have looked carefully. > > Lagne Neechabhagriye Purandara Gurau, > Randhreshe Papagrahe, > Thath Rasyamsa Samanvithe Yadi Thatha > Rajadhirajo Bhaveth > > --Radha S. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Neelam ji, The time on the birth certificate is supposed to be 17:24. You may be able to google the facsimile of the birth certificate. Let me take this occasion to tell you what a pleasure it is to read your detailed, intelligent posts on this list. Regards, --Radha S. , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Radha ji, > > Obama's most accepted lagna is Tula. In any case, no one has taken makar as > lagna for him. So the shloka, whatever it means, cannot be applied to > Obama's chart. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Bhagwatiji, Thank you. May I ask what translation you have? Isn't it amazing that a book from the 13th century is still valid? There is another reference in the same book, Ch.7, verse 13 (in my translation by V. Subramanya Sastri) that is also applicable to Sen. Obama's chart. See my response to Shobhana ji. --Radha S. , " bhagavathi_hariharan " <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote: > > Dear Radhaji, > > The copy which I have gives the verse as under: > > Chapter 7 verse 25 > > Lagne neechagrahe purandaregurau randhre sapapagrahe > tadrashyanshasamanvite yadi tada rajadhirajo bhavet > > I think it means if a planet is debilitated in the lagna, and be > aspected by jupiter; a malefic be in the eighth sign and occupy the > navamsa of that sign, then the native will be the king of kings. > > I am not sure how far I am right, but this does not look like an easy > combination. > > Regards, > > bhagavathi > > > > , " aphoton47 " > <aphoton47@> wrote: > > > > The following is supposed to be a shloka from Jataka Parijata and > this > > combination exists in the chart of Senator Barack Obama, Democratic > > candidate for President. Based on what I think this combination > > means, I'd hazard that Sen. Obama will be the winner. > > > > I know that the shloka states that debilitated Jupiter in the > > ascendant and a malefic in the eighth house makes the individual a > > king. However, what does " Rasyamsa Samanvithe " mean? > > I know it refers to the navamsa of the malefic in the eighth house, > > but what exactly does it mean? Any Sanskrit scholars here? > > > > Also, even though the shloka is supposed to be in Jataka Parijata, I > > was not able to find it in the text, but I may not have looked > carefully. > > > > Lagne Neechabhagriye Purandara Gurau, > > Randhreshe Papagrahe, > > Thath Rasyamsa Samanvithe Yadi Thatha > > Rajadhirajo Bhaveth > > > > --Radha S. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Thank you. One could write a whole paper on each word! --Radha S. , " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala wrote: > > > > > hare rama krishna > > dear radha ji > > i think this Rasyamsa Samanvithe means they hav given there amsa in > those rasies ,means vargottam ( same placement in rasi and navamsas ) > planets . > > let us wait for other more learned ppl opinions > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > , " aphoton47 " > <aphoton47@> wrote: > > > > The following is supposed to be a shloka from Jataka Parijata and this > > combination exists in the chart of Senator Barack Obama, Democratic > > candidate for President. Based on what I think this combination > > means, I'd hazard that Sen. Obama will be the winner. > > > > I know that the shloka states that debilitated Jupiter in the > > ascendant and a malefic in the eighth house makes the individual a > > king. However, what does " Rasyamsa Samanvithe " mean? > > I know it refers to the navamsa of the malefic in the eighth house, > > but what exactly does it mean? Any Sanskrit scholars here? > > > > Also, even though the shloka is supposed to be in Jataka Parijata, I > > was not able to find it in the text, but I may not have looked > carefully. > > > > Lagne Neechabhagriye Purandara Gurau, > > Randhreshe Papagrahe, > > Thath Rasyamsa Samanvithe Yadi Thatha > > Rajadhirajo Bhaveth > > > > --Radha S. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear Radha ji Thanks ,i dont hav this book Jataka parijatha with me at present and i was relying on the shloka u quoted itself . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "aphoton47" <aphoton47 wrote:>> > Thank you. One could write a whole paper on each word!> > --Radha S.> > , "sunil nair"> astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > > > > > > > hare rama krishna> > > > dear radha ji> > > > i think this Rasyamsa Samanvithe means they hav given there amsa in> > those rasies ,means vargottam ( same placement in rasi and navamsas )> > planets .> > > > let us wait for other more learned ppl opinions> > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair> > > > > > , "aphoton47"> > <aphoton47@> wrote:> > >> > > The following is supposed to be a shloka from Jataka Parijata and this> > > combination exists in the chart of Senator Barack Obama, Democratic> > > candidate for President. Based on what I think this combination> > > means, I'd hazard that Sen. Obama will be the winner.> > >> > > I know that the shloka states that debilitated Jupiter in the> > > ascendant and a malefic in the eighth house makes the individual a> > > king. However, what does "Rasyamsa Samanvithe" mean?> > > I know it refers to the navamsa of the malefic in the eighth house,> > > but what exactly does it mean? Any Sanskrit scholars here?> > >> > > Also, even though the shloka is supposed to be in Jataka Parijata, I> > > was not able to find it in the text, but I may not have looked> > carefully.> > >> > > Lagne Neechabhagriye Purandara Gurau,> > > Randhreshe Papagrahe,> > > Thath Rasyamsa Samanvithe Yadi Thatha> > > Rajadhirajo Bhaveth> > >> > > --Radha S.> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Dear Radhaji, I have a PDF in sanskrit of Jataka Parijata. I did the translation on my own. Regards, bhagavathi , " aphoton47 " <aphoton47 wrote: > > Bhagwatiji, > > Thank you. May I ask what translation you have? Isn't it amazing > that a book from the 13th century is still valid? > > There is another reference in the same book, Ch.7, verse 13 (in my > translation by V. Subramanya Sastri) that is also applicable to Sen. > Obama's chart. See my response to Shobhana ji. > > --Radha S. > > , > " bhagavathi_hariharan " <bhagavathi_hariharan@> wrote: > > > > Dear Radhaji, > > > > The copy which I have gives the verse as under: > > > > Chapter 7 verse 25 > > > > Lagne neechagrahe purandaregurau randhre sapapagrahe > > tadrashyanshasamanvite yadi tada rajadhirajo bhavet > > > > I think it means if a planet is debilitated in the lagna, and be > > aspected by jupiter; a malefic be in the eighth sign and occupy the > > navamsa of that sign, then the native will be the king of kings. > > > > I am not sure how far I am right, but this does not look like an easy > > combination. > > > > Regards, > > > > bhagavathi > > > > > > > > , " aphoton47 " > > <aphoton47@> wrote: > > > > > > The following is supposed to be a shloka from Jataka Parijata and > > this > > > combination exists in the chart of Senator Barack Obama, Democratic > > > candidate for President. Based on what I think this combination > > > means, I'd hazard that Sen. Obama will be the winner. > > > > > > I know that the shloka states that debilitated Jupiter in the > > > ascendant and a malefic in the eighth house makes the individual a > > > king. However, what does " Rasyamsa Samanvithe " mean? > > > I know it refers to the navamsa of the malefic in the eighth house, > > > but what exactly does it mean? Any Sanskrit scholars here? > > > > > > Also, even though the shloka is supposed to be in Jataka Parijata, I > > > was not able to find it in the text, but I may not have looked > > carefully. > > > > > > Lagne Neechabhagriye Purandara Gurau, > > > Randhreshe Papagrahe, > > > Thath Rasyamsa Samanvithe Yadi Thatha > > > Rajadhirajo Bhaveth > > > > > > --Radha S. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 2008 Report Share Posted September 1, 2008 Neelam ji, My knowledge of Sanskrit is rudimentary, which is why I posted the sloka to the group. I am following the translation of V. Subramanya Sastri. His translation for Jatak Parijata Ch.7, verse 15 is: If Jupiter be depressed in Lagna and the eighth house occupied by a malefic planet, and if the Navamsa of the 8th bhava (64th from the Lagna) be that of a Rashi owned by the malefic planet in question, under this yoga also will be born a king of kings. If you move Sen. Obama's birth time by a few minutes to 19:32, the rising sign in navamsa will be Kanya, and the ruler of the 8th house will be Mars; Mars is in the eighth house in the rasi chart. This fits V. Subramanya Sastri's translation in toto. --Radha , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Radha ji, Sreenadhji and group, > > Thank you Radha ji for appreciating my posts and a bigger thank you for > posting this thought provoking shloka. > > I am still not convinced by all the explanations of the shloka being given. > Right now I don't have with me the correct sanskrit version of Jatak > Parijat. > > Can we have a correct version of this shloka, if anyone has. > Whether it is *randhre sa-papagrahe (meaning 8H with malefics)*, or *randhreshe > sapaapagrahe (meaning 8L with malefics) > *It makes a difference. > > Then also, I feel there is something missing. The verse *purandara guruo* is > not so simple. Otherwise, the author would've simply said, lagne neechashtho > devo... or something to that effect. > He cannot use 3 words for guru... grihe, purandara and guruo. These verses > are always very crisp. > > With my little knowledge of Sanskrit, I feel there is something missing in > our understanding. I may be wrong but this is how I feel: > > - Lagne Neechagrihe: lagna is the neechagriha (debilitation house) > - Purandara Guruo: aspected by guru with puran indra (or complete aspect, > could mean in 7H). The word could also be purnandraya. > - Randhre (Randhreshe) sa-paapgrahe: 8H (8L) is/with malefics (depending > on the correctness of verse) > - Tadraashyamsha Samanvitte: in that rashi's (rashi taken by 8L and > malefics ) if they all collect in amsha, meaning become vargottam > - Yada tada Rajadhirajo bhavet: if so, then the native is king of kings > > It could then mean that capricorn lagna, the neecha griha of purandra guru > (who aspects it with full drishti, meaning gone to 7H in exaltation). Here, > the difference betwwen Guru and guruo is important also. > Correct shloka is thus very important. > > Also if we take Leo rashi in 8H and capri in lagna, and take the statement > of Sreenadh ji: > //While Lagna and Jupiter are in Capricorn, if any malefic (Sa, Ma, Su) is > present in the corresponding Navamsa of 8th sign Leo, then the native will > become King of Kings.// > > Here we have only 4th-5th and 6th navamshas to deal with. In leo, we don't > get amshas of capri, aqua and pisces and in capri, we don't get amshas of > aries, tau and gem. > > Hope I am able to explain what I mean. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Dear Neelam ji, The correct version of the sloka is as follows - "Lagne Neechagrihe Purandara Guro, Randhre Sa-paapagrahe, Tadrashyamsha -Samanvitte Yadi Tada Rajadhirajo Bhavet"Lagne Neechagrihe Purandara Guru = In Lagna Jupiter (Purandara Guru = Guru of Indra = Deva guru = Jupiter) in Debilitation (i.e. Jupiter in Capricorn Lagna) Randhre Sa-paapagrahe = Malefic in 8th (Sa, Ma or Su in Leo)Tadraashyamsha Samanvitte = (If the above said malefic are in) In that Navamsa (i.e. in the corresponding Navamsa) If made strict this means that, the above mentioned malefic in 8th should be in the 2nd Navamsa of Leo, since 5th degree in Capricorn is the degree of debilitation for Jupiter. Jupiter debilitates in 2nd Navamsa of Capricorn, so the above said malefic should be present in the 2nd Navamsa of Leo. Yadi tada = If so then Rajadhirajo bhavet = Then the native will become King of Kings. Thus the sloka means - While Lagna and Jupiter are in Capricorn, if any malefic (Sa, Ma, Su) is present in the corresponding Navamsa (2nd Navamsa) of Leo, then the native will become King of Kings. There is no kind of ambiguity or complexity associated with this sloka - It is straight and simple. Note: My reference for the above sloka is the Malayalam version of Jataka Parijata, edited by the well known traditional astrology and Sanskrit scholar Puliyoor Purushottam Nambootiri. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Radha ji, Sreenadhji and group,> > Thank you Radha ji for appreciating my posts and a bigger thank you for> posting this thought provoking shloka.> > I am still not convinced by all the explanations of the shloka being given.> Right now I don't have with me the correct sanskrit version of Jatak> Parijat.> > Can we have a correct version of this shloka, if anyone has.> Whether it is *randhre sa-papagrahe (meaning 8H with malefics)*, or *randhreshe> sapaapagrahe (meaning 8L with malefics)> *It makes a difference.> > Then also, I feel there is something missing. The verse *purandara guruo* is> not so simple. Otherwise, the author would've simply said, lagne neechashtho> devo... or something to that effect.> He cannot use 3 words for guru... grihe, purandara and guruo. These verses> are always very crisp.> > With my little knowledge of Sanskrit, I feel there is something missing in> our understanding. I may be wrong but this is how I feel:> > - Lagne Neechagrihe: lagna is the neechagriha (debilitation house)> - Purandara Guruo: aspected by guru with puran indra (or complete aspect,> could mean in 7H). The word could also be purnandraya.> - Randhre (Randhreshe) sa-paapgrahe: 8H (8L) is/with malefics (depending> on the correctness of verse)> - Tadraashyamsha Samanvitte: in that rashi's (rashi taken by 8L and> malefics ) if they all collect in amsha, meaning become vargottam> - Yada tada Rajadhirajo bhavet: if so, then the native is king of kings> > It could then mean that capricorn lagna, the neecha griha of purandra guru> (who aspects it with full drishti, meaning gone to 7H in exaltation). Here,> the difference betwwen Guru and guruo is important also.> Correct shloka is thus very important.> > Also if we take Leo rashi in 8H and capri in lagna, and take the statement> of Sreenadh ji:> //While Lagna and Jupiter are in Capricorn, if any malefic (Sa, Ma, Su) is> present in the corresponding Navamsa of 8th sign Leo, then the native will> become King of Kings.//> > Here we have only 4th-5th and 6th navamshas to deal with. In leo, we don't> get amshas of capri, aqua and pisces and in capri, we don't get amshas of> aries, tau and gem.> > Hope I am able to explain what I mean.> > Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Dear Frieds, Jatak Parijat-Ch-7 ,Last two lines of sloka 15: Pt. Kapilesara Chaudhari in his Sanskrit translation of this sloka mentioned as under(Published by Chaukhambha Sanskrit Sansthan): 'Debilitated Jupiter if placed in Lagna and malefic placed in 8H obtains the same Navamsa as Jupiter in Lagna-if Jupiter is in 3rd navamsa ,the planet in 8H should also obtain 3rd navamsa-this yoga makes the person King of Kings" In the chart of Obama -Jupiter is in 3rd( 7deg32') navamsa-and in 8H Rahu is in 2nd navamsa(4deg) and Mars is in 9th navamsa(29deg) Thus this yoga is not fully applicable on his nativity. Regards, G.K.GOEL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Dear Radha ji, The mention of 64th Navamsa (from Lagna Navamsha) is correct and accurate. But there is NOTHING in the sloka that says " Rashi owned by the malefic planet in question" etc. So the quote and the said "Neechabhanga Raja Yoga" is NOT suitable for and is not present in Obama's chart.//> If you move Sen. Obama's birth time by a few minutes to 19:32, the> rising sign in navamsa will be Kanya, and the ruler of the 8th house> will be Mars; Mars is in the eighth house in the rasi chart. This> fits V. Subramanya Sastri's translation in toto.// The sloka demands - Capricon Lagna, Jupiter in Capricon in 2nd Navamsha, Malefic in 2nd Navamshaa of Leo - none of which is present in the above chart. Hope this clarifies. Note: A Raya Yoga is a rare thing (and it should be - because Kings are few in number). But if one simply demands that Jupiter should be in Lagna (even Capricon) and that some malefic like Saturn should be in 8th or simply that some malefic should rule the 64th Navamsa then there would be numerous people who satisfies this condition. Further since Ju and Sa stays in 6-8 axis for long almost 50% or more people born in some perticular years will have this yoga. It sounds absurd. Hope you could see the problem involved.Love and regards,Sreenadh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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