Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Dear Sreenadhji, What a strange co-incidence. I was reading this same chapter last night at 3.00am ( Morning) ( I call this night, I dont know why they call it morning). I told myself before goin to sleep, that I have to re-read this in near future, and I see you posting this. Keep it going. best wishes/ Bhaskaran. , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Drekkanai Sisiradaya...... > > - > Written by Sreenadh OG > > Brihat Jataka 2nd Chapter 12th sloka reads as follows †" > > Drekkanai sisiradaya sa-su-ru-cha-jna-guadish udyatsu va > > Meaning, the seasons are ruled by the following planets †" > > 1. Sisira - Saturn > 2. Vasanta - Venus > 3. Greeshma - Mars > 4. Varsha - Moon > 5. Sarat - Mercury > 6. Hemanta - Jupiter > > Based on the rising Drekkana (assigned to these planets), or based on > the Planets in Lagna seasons can be indicated. > > > > This quotes is much thought provoking, due to various reasons. When we > speak about seasons several important facts should be remembered. Some > of them are as follows †" > > * When people in Northern hemisphere experience Summer, it is winter > in Southern hemisphere & When it is winter in Northern hemisphere, it is > Summer for the people of Southern hemisphere. > * What the people of Northern hemisphere call winter solstice would > be considered as summer solstice by the people of Southern hemisphere > and vice versa. > * Due to the above points, it is totally confusing to > > * To correlate/connect Months/dates with seasons (without mentioning > the hemisphere) > * To refer to one of the solstices and relate it to a particular date > (without mentioning the hemisphere) > * In the west only 4 seasons are considered, but in Sanskrit we count > 6 seasons (so translation of season names is always a problem) > > English style seasons (for Northern hemisphere) > > 1. Winter : November to March > > 2. Spring : March to June > > 3. Summer : June to September > > 4. Autumn : September to Nov > > Please note that this is an unequal division, and NOT an equal division > such as 1 season = 3 months. Winter is spans more than 4 months while > autumn spans just around 2 months. > > Indian style seasons (for Northern hemisphere) > > > > 1. Sisira - Deep Winter (Dec 23 †" Feb 23) > > 2. Vasanta - Spring (Feb 23 †" April 21) > > 3. Greeshma - Summer (April 21 †" June 22) > > 4. Varsha - Rainy Season (June 22 †" Aug 22) > > 5. Sarat - Autumn (Aug 22 †" Oct 22) > > 6. Hemanta - Winter (Oct 22 †" Dec 23) > > - Please note that dates are all-approximate and could vary > based on longitude and latitude of places. > > For Southern hemisphere this is not at all true; and no easterner or > westerner will ever agree on the naming of seasons and periods they > cover! So let us note mention the hemisphere and dates but just resort > to referring to the Indian seasons name alone and go through their > association with planets and planetary significance. > > > Seasons and Planets > > Lordship of sign is assigned to planets, but seasons are NOT related to > signs, but are related to the cardinal points equinoxes and solstices. > Thus the assignment of rulership of these seasons to planets must be > related to the NATURE of these planets rather than to lordship of signs. > Thus we realize that †" > > 1. Sisira (Deep Winter) : season of sadness, cold, death †" > and thus the lordship to Saturn. > > 2. Vasanta (Spring) : season of flowers, happiness, sexy, creative > †" and thus the lordship to Venus. > > 3. Greshma (Summer) : hot season, blazing sun, heat †" and > thus the lordship to Mars. > > 4. Varsha (Rainy Season) : Monsoon, rainy season †" and thus > the lordship to Moon. > > 5. Sarat (Autumn) : Pure, bright, white, cloudless sky †" > and thus the lordship to Mercury. > > 6. Hemanta (Winter) : Golden, Fruitful †" and thus the > lordship to Jupitor. > > > Application In Jataka > Since, by now we have a fairly good understanding about what Ritus > (Seasons) are and what their naming convention refer to, let us go > through some astro-doubts. > > > > 1) Where are we supposed to use it †" in natal chart reading or in > Prashna? > > As we all know, seasons are related to the movement of Sun through the > ecliptic, movement of Sun through the signs. In my chart, if sun is near > after the winter solstice then certainly I took birth in Sisira season > (Deep Winter). Or in other words, the season at the time of birth is > related to the distance between winter solstice (or any of the 4 > cardinal points) and Sun. This is certainly not at all related to Lagna, > or rising of any planet in Lagna, or to the Drekkana that rises at BT. > Thus this can’t be the point Varaha Mihira is referring to. > > But if not for natal horoscope, why Brihat Jataka mentions it? Since BJ > is a text for Natal horoscopy, certainly it must have some connection > with the natal horoscope. If so, then what is that > connection/application? Some applications are as follows - > Planets and Seasons > If a planet is well placed/strong in a horoscope, then the season > indicated by the same planet would be beneficial and health providing to > the native. If a planet is badly placed in a horoscope, during the > season indicated by that planet, the native may suffer diseases and > heath problems. > Drekkana Ritu Dasa > There are three variations to this concept. > > * Since a drekkana is 10 degree, 10 years is considered as a season. > As per this, the first 10 years of life in childhood is deep winter > season, the next 10 years from 10 to 20 years is spring season, 20-30 is > summer season, 30-40 is rainy season, 40-50 is autumn season and 50-60 > is winter season. The seasons again repeat during the life span. > * There are 36 Drekkanas in the zodiac and each Drekkana is assumed > to represent season. Each Drekkana is and each season is 6 years each. > Thus when the native is 36 years of age, he would have completed one > cycle of seasons in his life, and by 72 two cycles of seasons. (Due to > this 36 years and 72 years of age usually act as critical ages that > could cause death). Thus 0-6 is Sisira, 6-12 Vasanta, 12-18 Greeshma, > 18-24 Varsha and so on. > * There are 36 Drekkanas, 108 Navamsas, and since one drekkana > contains 3 navamsas. Thus one Drekkana indicate 3 years, and a single > season. As per this system 18 years complete a circle of seasons. 108 > years is considered as maximum life span here. > > When we try to determine the period at which certain results indicated > by the planet may materialize, then the dasa and season indicated by > Drekkana Lord of the planet can point to the period at which the result > may materialize. (Especially while using any of the above dasa systems). > > > Application In Prashna > As we all know the text BJ is used not only for Natal chart analysis, > but also for Prashna. In Prashna context, the above quote can have the > following applications †" > > * Nashta Jataka: In Nashta Jataka Prashna, it can be used to guess > the season in which the native took birth. > * In Prashna (for deciphering the results of the previous year or > so), if some results are indicated by a perticular degree (i.e. lagna) > then if a planet is present in that sign the season at which that result > might manifest can be identified from that planet. If no planet is > present in that sign, then the Drekkana lord will indicate the relevant > season. > A Question > If you are NOT satisfied with all the above possibilities, > then here is a question for you. > > What would be your response, if some hard believer in astrology argue > that if the Lagna longitude is given, then based on that it can be > predicted that in which season he took birth? i.e. If he argues that, as > per the BJ sloka, If there is any planet in Lagna then the native took > birth in that season, and if no planet is present in Lagna then the > native must have taken birth in the season indicated by the Drekkana > Lord of Lagna. (It is an interpretation that is very much possible as > per the BJ sloka) > > This certainly seems to be a hard to digest argument from scientific > perspective, since Lagna and other planets DOES NOT have anything to do > with seasons. Seasons are related to Sun’s position in ecliptic. > > The purpose of this article was to guide your attention > towards †" > > 1. Divisions of year as seasons > 2. The predictive usefulness of seasons > 3. To reveal the problems and possibilities so that it could serve as > a starting point for informative discussion. > Note > Before finishing this article, one doubt †" > > Mihira both in Pancha Siddhantika and Brihat Samhita refer to Sayana > Zodiac and guide us to start counting Makara Rasi from Winter solstice. > If it is so, is it not possible that he is referring to the 4 season > western zodiac? > > Drekkana is th 1/3rd division of a sign. A year contains 12 > months. 12/3 = 4 seasons! Is it possible that by the words > “Drekkanai Sisiradaya...†he is referring to the Sisiradi > (Winter, Spring, Summer, Autumn) 4 seasons? Thus the question may arise > †" Are we misinterpreting Mihira or understanding him correctly? > The answer is, we are understanding him correctly. Mihira is speaking > about 6 seasons and NOT 4 seasons as evident from the fact that he > mentions 6 planets are lords of seasons, indicating that he is referring > to the 6-season Indian system. > > - 0 - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Dear Seenath, I congratulate you for such a deep thought. Ii provokes me to read again. Love and regards : ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh " <sreesog > wrote: > > > Drekkanai Sisiradaya.. .... > > - > Written by Sreenadh OG > > Brihat Jataka 2nd Chapter 12th sloka reads as follows †" > > Drekkanai sisiradaya sa-su-ru-cha- jna-guadish udyatsu va > > Meaning, the seasons are ruled by the following planets †" > > 1. Sisira - Saturn > 2. Vasanta - Venus > 3. Greeshma - Mars > 4. Varsha - Moon > 5. Sarat - Mercury > 6. Hemanta - Jupiter > > Based on the rising Drekkana (assigned to these planets), or based on > the Planets in Lagna seasons can be indicated. > > > > This quotes is much thought provoking, due to various reasons. When we > speak about seasons several important facts should be remembered. Some > of them are as follows †" > > * When people in Northern hemisphere experience Summer, it is winter > in Southern hemisphere & When it is winter in Northern hemisphere, it is > Summer for the people of Southern hemisphere. > * What the people of Northern hemisphere call winter solstice would > be considered as summer solstice by the people of Southern hemisphere > and vice versa. > * Due to the above points, it is totally confusing to > > * To correlate/connect Months/dates with seasons (without mentioning > the hemisphere) > * To refer to one of the solstices and relate it to a particular date > (without mentioning the hemisphere) > * In the west only 4 seasons are considered, but in Sanskrit we count > 6 seasons (so translation of season names is always a problem) > > English style seasons (for Northern hemisphere) > > 1. Winter : November to March > > 2. Spring : March to June > > 3. Summer : June to September > > 4. Autumn : September to Nov > > Please note that this is an unequal division, and NOT an equal division > such as 1 season = 3 months. Winter is spans more than 4 months while > autumn spans just around 2 months. > > Indian style seasons (for Northern hemisphere) > > > > 1. Sisira - Deep Winter (Dec 23 †" Feb 23) > > 2. Vasanta - Spring (Feb 23 †" April 21) > > 3. Greeshma - Summer (April 21 †" June 22) > > 4. Varsha - Rainy Season (June 22 †" Aug 22) > > 5. Sarat - Autumn (Aug 22 †" Oct 22) > > 6. Hemanta - Winter (Oct 22 †" Dec 23) > > - Please note that dates are all-approximate and could vary > based on longitude and latitude of places. > > For Southern hemisphere this is not at all true; and no easterner or > westerner will ever agree on the naming of seasons and periods they > cover! So let us note mention the hemisphere and dates but just resort > to referring to the Indian seasons name alone and go through their > association with planets and planetary significance. > > > Seasons and Planets > > Lordship of sign is assigned to planets, but seasons are NOT related to > signs, but are related to the cardinal points equinoxes and solstices. > Thus the assignment of rulership of these seasons to planets must be > related to the NATURE of these planets rather than to lordship of signs. > Thus we realize that †" > > 1. Sisira (Deep Winter) : season of sadness, cold, death †" > and thus the lordship to Saturn. > > 2. Vasanta (Spring) : season of flowers, happiness, sexy, creative > †" and thus the lordship to Venus. > > 3. Greshma (Summer) : hot season, blazing sun, heat †" and > thus the lordship to Mars. > > 4. Varsha (Rainy Season) : Monsoon, rainy season †" and thus > the lordship to Moon. > > 5. Sarat (Autumn) : Pure, bright, white, cloudless sky †" > and thus the lordship to Mercury. > > 6. Hemanta (Winter) : Golden, Fruitful †" and thus the > lordship to Jupitor. > > > Application In Jataka > Since, by now we have a fairly good understanding about what Ritus > (Seasons) are and what their naming convention refer to, let us go > through some astro-doubts. > > > > 1) Where are we supposed to use it †" in natal chart reading or in > Prashna? > > As we all know, seasons are related to the movement of Sun through the > ecliptic, movement of Sun through the signs. In my chart, if sun is near > after the winter solstice then certainly I took birth in Sisira season > (Deep Winter). Or in other words, the season at the time of birth is > related to the distance between winter solstice (or any of the 4 > cardinal points) and Sun. This is certainly not at all related to Lagna, > or rising of any planet in Lagna, or to the Drekkana that rises at BT. > Thus this can’t be the point Varaha Mihira is referring to. > > But if not for natal horoscope, why Brihat Jataka mentions it? Since BJ > is a text for Natal horoscopy, certainly it must have some connection > with the natal horoscope. If so, then what is that > connection/applicat ion? Some applications are as follows - > Planets and Seasons > If a planet is well placed/strong in a horoscope, then the season > indicated by the same planet would be beneficial and health providing to > the native. If a planet is badly placed in a horoscope, during the > season indicated by that planet, the native may suffer diseases and > heath problems. > Drekkana Ritu Dasa > There are three variations to this concept. > > * Since a drekkana is 10 degree, 10 years is considered as a season. > As per this, the first 10 years of life in childhood is deep winter > season, the next 10 years from 10 to 20 years is spring season, 20-30 is > summer season, 30-40 is rainy season, 40-50 is autumn season and 50-60 > is winter season. The seasons again repeat during the life span. > * There are 36 Drekkanas in the zodiac and each Drekkana is assumed > to represent season. Each Drekkana is and each season is 6 years each. > Thus when the native is 36 years of age, he would have completed one > cycle of seasons in his life, and by 72 two cycles of seasons. (Due to > this 36 years and 72 years of age usually act as critical ages that > could cause death). Thus 0-6 is Sisira, 6-12 Vasanta, 12-18 Greeshma, > 18-24 Varsha and so on. > * There are 36 Drekkanas, 108 Navamsas, and since one drekkana > contains 3 navamsas. Thus one Drekkana indicate 3 years, and a single > season. As per this system 18 years complete a circle of seasons. 108 > years is considered as maximum life span here. > > When we try to determine the period at which certain results indicated > by the planet may materialize, then the dasa and season indicated by > Drekkana Lord of the planet can point to the period at which the result > may materialize. (Especially while using any of the above dasa systems). > > > Application In Prashna > As we all know the text BJ is used not only for Natal chart analysis, > but also for Prashna. In Prashna context, the above quote can have the > following applications †" > > * Nashta Jataka: In Nashta Jataka Prashna, it can be used to guess > the season in which the native took birth. > * In Prashna (for deciphering the results of the previous year or > so), if some results are indicated by a perticular degree (i.e. lagna) > then if a planet is present in that sign the season at which that result > might manifest can be identified from that planet. If no planet is > present in that sign, then the Drekkana lord will indicate the relevant > season. > A Question > If you are NOT satisfied with all the above possibilities, > then here is a question for you. > > What would be your response, if some hard believer in astrology argue > that if the Lagna longitude is given, then based on that it can be > predicted that in which season he took birth? i.e. If he argues that, as > per the BJ sloka, If there is any planet in Lagna then the native took > birth in that season, and if no planet is present in Lagna then the > native must have taken birth in the season indicated by the Drekkana > Lord of Lagna. (It is an interpretation that is very much possible as > per the BJ sloka) > > This certainly seems to be a hard to digest argument from scientific > perspective, since Lagna and other planets DOES NOT have anything to do > with seasons. Seasons are related to Sun’s position in ecliptic. > > The purpose of this article was to guide your attention > towards †" > > 1. Divisions of year as seasons > 2. The predictive usefulness of seasons > 3. To reveal the problems and possibilities so that it could serve as > a starting point for informative discussion. > Note > Before finishing this article, one doubt †" > > Mihira both in Pancha Siddhantika and Brihat Samhita refer to Sayana > Zodiac and guide us to start counting Makara Rasi from Winter solstice. > If it is so, is it not possible that he is referring to the 4 season > western zodiac? > > Drekkana is th 1/3rd division of a sign. A year contains 12 > months. 12/3 = 4 seasons! Is it possible that by the words > “Drekkanai Sisiradaya.. .� he is referring to the Sisiradi > (Winter, Spring, Summer, Autumn) 4 seasons? Thus the question may arise > †" Are we misinterpreting Mihira or understanding him correctly? > The answer is, we are understanding him correctly. Mihira is speaking > about 6 seasons and NOT 4 seasons as evident from the fact that he > mentions 6 planets are lords of seasons, indicating that he is referring > to the 6-season Indian system. > > - 0 - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 21, 2008 Report Share Posted August 21, 2008 Dear Sreenadh-ji, More more hungry for more...keep it flowing...beautiful writeup...little pressed on time now but will surely put forth my views on this. However, there is nothing denying your in-depth analytical prowess. ~Souvik , " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote: > > > Drekkanai Sisiradaya...... > > - > Written by Sreenadh OG > > Brihat Jataka 2nd Chapter 12th sloka reads as follows †" > > Drekkanai sisiradaya sa-su-ru-cha-jna-guadish udyatsu va > > Meaning, the seasons are ruled by the following planets †" > > 1. Sisira - Saturn > 2. Vasanta - Venus > 3. Greeshma - Mars > 4. Varsha - Moon > 5. Sarat - Mercury > 6. Hemanta - Jupiter > > Based on the rising Drekkana (assigned to these planets), or based on > the Planets in Lagna seasons can be indicated. > > > > This quotes is much thought provoking, due to various reasons. When we > speak about seasons several important facts should be remembered. Some > of them are as follows †" > > * When people in Northern hemisphere experience Summer, it is winter > in Southern hemisphere & When it is winter in Northern hemisphere, it is > Summer for the people of Southern hemisphere. > * What the people of Northern hemisphere call winter solstice would > be considered as summer solstice by the people of Southern hemisphere > and vice versa. > * Due to the above points, it is totally confusing to > > * To correlate/connect Months/dates with seasons (without mentioning > the hemisphere) > * To refer to one of the solstices and relate it to a particular date > (without mentioning the hemisphere) > * In the west only 4 seasons are considered, but in Sanskrit we count > 6 seasons (so translation of season names is always a problem) > > English style seasons (for Northern hemisphere) > > 1. Winter : November to March > > 2. Spring : March to June > > 3. Summer : June to September > > 4. Autumn : September to Nov > > Please note that this is an unequal division, and NOT an equal division > such as 1 season = 3 months. Winter is spans more than 4 months while > autumn spans just around 2 months. > > Indian style seasons (for Northern hemisphere) > > > > 1. Sisira - Deep Winter (Dec 23 †" Feb 23) > > 2. Vasanta - Spring (Feb 23 †" April 21) > > 3. Greeshma - Summer (April 21 †" June 22) > > 4. Varsha - Rainy Season (June 22 †" Aug 22) > > 5. Sarat - Autumn (Aug 22 †" Oct 22) > > 6. Hemanta - Winter (Oct 22 †" Dec 23) > > - Please note that dates are all-approximate and could vary > based on longitude and latitude of places. > > For Southern hemisphere this is not at all true; and no easterner or > westerner will ever agree on the naming of seasons and periods they > cover! So let us note mention the hemisphere and dates but just resort > to referring to the Indian seasons name alone and go through their > association with planets and planetary significance. > > > Seasons and Planets > > Lordship of sign is assigned to planets, but seasons are NOT related to > signs, but are related to the cardinal points equinoxes and solstices. > Thus the assignment of rulership of these seasons to planets must be > related to the NATURE of these planets rather than to lordship of signs. > Thus we realize that †" > > 1. Sisira (Deep Winter) : season of sadness, cold, death †" > and thus the lordship to Saturn. > > 2. Vasanta (Spring) : season of flowers, happiness, sexy, creative > †" and thus the lordship to Venus. > > 3. Greshma (Summer) : hot season, blazing sun, heat †" and > thus the lordship to Mars. > > 4. Varsha (Rainy Season) : Monsoon, rainy season †" and thus > the lordship to Moon. > > 5. Sarat (Autumn) : Pure, bright, white, cloudless sky †" > and thus the lordship to Mercury. > > 6. Hemanta (Winter) : Golden, Fruitful †" and thus the > lordship to Jupitor. > > > Application In Jataka > Since, by now we have a fairly good understanding about what Ritus > (Seasons) are and what their naming convention refer to, let us go > through some astro-doubts. > > > > 1) Where are we supposed to use it †" in natal chart reading or in > Prashna? > > As we all know, seasons are related to the movement of Sun through the > ecliptic, movement of Sun through the signs. In my chart, if sun is near > after the winter solstice then certainly I took birth in Sisira season > (Deep Winter). Or in other words, the season at the time of birth is > related to the distance between winter solstice (or any of the 4 > cardinal points) and Sun. This is certainly not at all related to Lagna, > or rising of any planet in Lagna, or to the Drekkana that rises at BT. > Thus this can’t be the point Varaha Mihira is referring to. > > But if not for natal horoscope, why Brihat Jataka mentions it? Since BJ > is a text for Natal horoscopy, certainly it must have some connection > with the natal horoscope. If so, then what is that > connection/application? Some applications are as follows - > Planets and Seasons > If a planet is well placed/strong in a horoscope, then the season > indicated by the same planet would be beneficial and health providing to > the native. If a planet is badly placed in a horoscope, during the > season indicated by that planet, the native may suffer diseases and > heath problems. > Drekkana Ritu Dasa > There are three variations to this concept. > > * Since a drekkana is 10 degree, 10 years is considered as a season. > As per this, the first 10 years of life in childhood is deep winter > season, the next 10 years from 10 to 20 years is spring season, 20- 30 is > summer season, 30-40 is rainy season, 40-50 is autumn season and 50-60 > is winter season. The seasons again repeat during the life span. > * There are 36 Drekkanas in the zodiac and each Drekkana is assumed > to represent season. Each Drekkana is and each season is 6 years each. > Thus when the native is 36 years of age, he would have completed one > cycle of seasons in his life, and by 72 two cycles of seasons. (Due to > this 36 years and 72 years of age usually act as critical ages that > could cause death). Thus 0-6 is Sisira, 6-12 Vasanta, 12-18 Greeshma, > 18-24 Varsha and so on. > * There are 36 Drekkanas, 108 Navamsas, and since one drekkana > contains 3 navamsas. Thus one Drekkana indicate 3 years, and a single > season. As per this system 18 years complete a circle of seasons. 108 > years is considered as maximum life span here. > > When we try to determine the period at which certain results indicated > by the planet may materialize, then the dasa and season indicated by > Drekkana Lord of the planet can point to the period at which the result > may materialize. (Especially while using any of the above dasa systems). > > > Application In Prashna > As we all know the text BJ is used not only for Natal chart analysis, > but also for Prashna. In Prashna context, the above quote can have the > following applications †" > > * Nashta Jataka: In Nashta Jataka Prashna, it can be used to guess > the season in which the native took birth. > * In Prashna (for deciphering the results of the previous year or > so), if some results are indicated by a perticular degree (i.e. lagna) > then if a planet is present in that sign the season at which that result > might manifest can be identified from that planet. If no planet is > present in that sign, then the Drekkana lord will indicate the relevant > season. > A Question > If you are NOT satisfied with all the above possibilities, > then here is a question for you. > > What would be your response, if some hard believer in astrology argue > that if the Lagna longitude is given, then based on that it can be > predicted that in which season he took birth? i.e. If he argues that, as > per the BJ sloka, If there is any planet in Lagna then the native took > birth in that season, and if no planet is present in Lagna then the > native must have taken birth in the season indicated by the Drekkana > Lord of Lagna. (It is an interpretation that is very much possible as > per the BJ sloka) > > This certainly seems to be a hard to digest argument from scientific > perspective, since Lagna and other planets DOES NOT have anything to do > with seasons. Seasons are related to Sun’s position in ecliptic. > > The purpose of this article was to guide your attention > towards †" > > 1. Divisions of year as seasons > 2. The predictive usefulness of seasons > 3. To reveal the problems and possibilities so that it could serve as > a starting point for informative discussion. > Note > Before finishing this article, one doubt †" > > Mihira both in Pancha Siddhantika and Brihat Samhita refer to Sayana > Zodiac and guide us to start counting Makara Rasi from Winter solstice. > If it is so, is it not possible that he is referring to the 4 season > western zodiac? > > Drekkana is th 1/3rd division of a sign. A year contains 12 > months. 12/3 = 4 seasons! Is it possible that by the words > “Drekkanai Sisiradaya...†he is referring to the Sisiradi > (Winter, Spring, Summer, Autumn) 4 seasons? Thus the question may arise > †" Are we misinterpreting Mihira or understanding him correctly? > The answer is, we are understanding him correctly. Mihira is speaking > about 6 seasons and NOT 4 seasons as evident from the fact that he > mentions 6 planets are lords of seasons, indicating that he is referring > to the 6-season Indian system. > > - 0 - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 dear Sreenadhji, According to Pambu Panchagam following are the seasons: From April 13th to jun 14th it is Vasantha rithu " Jun15th to aug 16th it is Grishama rithu. " aug 17th to oct 16th it is Varasha rithu. " Oct 17th to dec 15th it is Sharath rithu. " Dec 16th to Feb 12th it is Hemanta rithu. " Feb 13th to April 13th it is Sisira rithu. vasanthu rithu is ruled by mesha and rishaba. grishma is ruled by mithuna and kataka. varasha '" simha and kanya. sharath "" thula and vrichika hemantha """ dhanus and makara sisira """ kumbha and meena. good wishes k.gopu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 Dear Kursija ji, Sunil ji, Souvik ji and all, Thanks for the appreciation. I hope I could keep it flowing as long as time permits. //> I congratulate you for such a deep thought. Ii provokes me to read again.// Dear Kursija ji, True, we should read, re-read, and meditate upon the ancient works, so that new insights could happen. As I used to mention always, it is NOT the subject/quote that is important but the consciousness that looks at it; we should try to improve our consciousness and deep analytical skills. There every subect, every quote, becomes a treasure to harvest! //> very good and informative work ,keep going// Sunil ji, Thanks. //> I think this has use in nashta jataka and prashna only than natal charts// Yes, as you rightly mentioned it is mostly used in Nashta Jataka and Prashna - as per the guidance given by Dasadhyayi.//> However, there is nothing denying your in-depth analytical prowess.// A special thanks to that. ;)//will surely put forth my views on this.// I am eagerly waiting to see detailed write-ups from you (may be beautifully springled with Siva worship) :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , "Souvik Dutta" <explore_vulcan wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh-ji,> > More more hungry for more...keep it flowing...beautiful > writeup...little pressed on time now but will surely put forth my > views on this.> > However, there is nothing denying your in-depth analytical prowess.> > ~Souvik , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > Hare rama krishna> > dear sreenadh ji> > > > very good and informativ work ,keep going> > > > I think this has use in nashta jataka and prashna only than natal charts> .> > i dont know much abt repetition of cycles using drekkan method> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , "S.C. Kursija" <sckursija wrote:>> Dear Seenath,> I congratulate you for such a deep thought. Ii provokes me to read again.> Love and regards> > :> , "Sreenadh" > sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Drekkanai Sisiradaya......> > > > -> > Written by Sreenadh OG> > > > Brihat Jataka 2nd Chapter 12th sloka reads as follows …amp;quot;> > > > Drekkanai sisiradaya sa-su-ru-cha-jna-guadish udyatsu va> > > > Meaning, the seasons are ruled by the following planets …amp;quot;> > > > 1. Sisira - Saturn> > 2. Vasanta - Venus> > 3. Greeshma - Mars> > 4. Varsha - Moon> > 5. Sarat - Mercury> > 6. Hemanta - Jupiter> > > > Based on the rising Drekkana (assigned to these planets), or based > on> > the Planets in Lagna seasons can be indicated.> > > > > > > > This quotes is much thought provoking, due to various reasons. > When we> > speak about seasons several important facts should be remembered. > Some> > of them are as follows …amp;quot;> > > > * When people in Northern hemisphere experience Summer, it is > winter> > in Southern hemisphere & When it is winter in Northern hemisphere, > it is> > Summer for the people of Southern hemisphere.> > * What the people of Northern hemisphere call winter solstice > would> > be considered as summer solstice by the people of Southern > hemisphere> > and vice versa.> > * Due to the above points, it is totally confusing to> > > > * To correlate/connect Months/dates with seasons (without > mentioning> > the hemisphere)> > * To refer to one of the solstices and relate it to a > particular date> > (without mentioning the hemisphere)> > * In the west only 4 seasons are considered, but in Sanskrit we > count> > 6 seasons (so translation of season names is always a problem)> > > > English style seasons (for Northern hemisphere)> > > > 1. Winter : November to March> > > > 2. Spring : March to June> > > > 3. Summer : June to September> > > > 4. Autumn : September to Nov> > > > Please note that this is an unequal division, and NOT an equal > division> > such as 1 season = 3 months. Winter is spans more than 4 months > while> > autumn spans just around 2 months.> > > > Indian style seasons (for Northern hemisphere)> > > > > > > > 1. Sisira - Deep Winter (Dec 23 …amp;quot; Feb 23)> > > > 2. Vasanta - Spring (Feb 23 …amp;quot; April 21)> > > > 3. Greeshma - Summer (April 21 …amp;quot; June 22)> > > > 4. Varsha - Rainy Season (June 22 …amp;quot; Aug 22)> > > > 5. Sarat - Autumn (Aug 22 …amp;quot; Oct 22)> > > > 6. Hemanta - Winter (Oct 22 …amp;quot; Dec 23)> > > > - Please note that dates are all-approximate and could vary> > based on longitude and latitude of places.> > > > For Southern hemisphere this is not at all true; and no easterner or> > westerner will ever agree on the naming of seasons and periods they> > cover! So let us note mention the hemisphere and dates but just > resort> > to referring to the Indian seasons name alone and go through their> > association with planets and planetary significance.> > > > > > Seasons and Planets> > > > Lordship of sign is assigned to planets, but seasons are NOT > related to> > signs, but are related to the cardinal points equinoxes and > solstices.> > Thus the assignment of rulership of these seasons to planets must be> > related to the NATURE of these planets rather than to lordship of > signs.> > Thus we realize that …amp;quot;> > > > 1. Sisira (Deep Winter) : season of sadness, cold, death …amp;quot;> > and thus the lordship to Saturn.> > > > 2. Vasanta (Spring) : season of flowers, happiness, sexy, > creative> > …amp;quot; and thus the lordship to Venus.> > > > 3. Greshma (Summer) : hot season, blazing sun, heat …amp;quot; and> > thus the lordship to Mars.> > > > 4. Varsha (Rainy Season) : Monsoon, rainy season …amp;quot; and thus> > the lordship to Moon.> > > > 5. Sarat (Autumn) : Pure, bright, white, cloudless sky …amp;quot;> > and thus the lordship to Mercury.> > > > 6. Hemanta (Winter) : Golden, Fruitful …amp;quot; and thus the> > lordship to Jupitor.> > > > > > Application In Jataka> > Since, by now we have a fairly good understanding about what Ritus> > (Seasons) are and what their naming convention refer to, let us go> > through some astro-doubts.> > > > > > > > 1) Where are we supposed to use it …amp;quot; in natal chart reading or in> > Prashna?> > > > As we all know, seasons are related to the movement of Sun through > the> > ecliptic, movement of Sun through the signs. In my chart, if sun is > near> > after the winter solstice then certainly I took birth in Sisira > season> > (Deep Winter). Or in other words, the season at the time of birth is> > related to the distance between winter solstice (or any of the 4> > cardinal points) and Sun. This is certainly not at all related to > Lagna,> > or rising of any planet in Lagna, or to the Drekkana that rises at > BT.> > Thus this can’t be the point Varaha Mihira is referring to.> > > > But if not for natal horoscope, why Brihat Jataka mentions it? > Since BJ> > is a text for Natal horoscopy, certainly it must have some > connection> > with the natal horoscope. If so, then what is that> > connection/application? Some applications are as follows -> > Planets and Seasons> > If a planet is well placed/strong in a horoscope, then the season> > indicated by the same planet would be beneficial and health > providing to> > the native. If a planet is badly placed in a horoscope, during the> > season indicated by that planet, the native may suffer diseases and> > heath problems.> > Drekkana Ritu Dasa> > There are three variations to this concept.> > > > * Since a drekkana is 10 degree, 10 years is considered as a > season.> > As per this, the first 10 years of life in childhood is deep winter> > season, the next 10 years from 10 to 20 years is spring season, 20-> 30 is> > summer season, 30-40 is rainy season, 40-50 is autumn season and > 50-60> > is winter season. The seasons again repeat during the life span.> > * There are 36 Drekkanas in the zodiac and each Drekkana is > assumed> > to represent season. Each Drekkana is and each season is 6 years > each.> > Thus when the native is 36 years of age, he would have completed one> > cycle of seasons in his life, and by 72 two cycles of seasons. > (Due to> > this 36 years and 72 years of age usually act as critical ages that> > could cause death). Thus 0-6 is Sisira, 6-12 Vasanta, 12-18 > Greeshma,> > 18-24 Varsha and so on.> > * There are 36 Drekkanas, 108 Navamsas, and since one drekkana> > contains 3 navamsas. Thus one Drekkana indicate 3 years, and a > single> > season. As per this system 18 years complete a circle of seasons. > 108> > years is considered as maximum life span here.> > > > When we try to determine the period at which certain results > indicated> > by the planet may materialize, then the dasa and season indicated by> > Drekkana Lord of the planet can point to the period at which the > result> > may materialize. (Especially while using any of the above dasa > systems).> > > > > > Application In Prashna> > As we all know the text BJ is used not only for Natal chart > analysis,> > but also for Prashna. In Prashna context, the above quote can have > the> > following applications …amp;quot;> > > > * Nashta Jataka: In Nashta Jataka Prashna, it can be used to > guess> > the season in which the native took birth.> > * In Prashna (for deciphering the results of the previous year > or> > so), if some results are indicated by a perticular degree (i.e. > lagna)> > then if a planet is present in that sign the season at which that > result> > might manifest can be identified from that planet. If no planet is> > present in that sign, then the Drekkana lord will indicate the > relevant> > season.> > A Question> > If you are NOT satisfied with all the above > possibilities,> > then here is a question for you.> > > > What would be your response, if some hard believer in astrology > argue> > that if the Lagna longitude is given, then based on that it can be> > predicted that in which season he took birth? i.e. If he argues > that, as> > per the BJ sloka, If there is any planet in Lagna then the native > took> > birth in that season, and if no planet is present in Lagna then the> > native must have taken birth in the season indicated by the Drekkana> > Lord of Lagna. (It is an interpretation that is very much possible > as> > per the BJ sloka)> > > > This certainly seems to be a hard to digest argument from scientific> > perspective, since Lagna and other planets DOES NOT have anything > to do> > with seasons. Seasons are related to Sun’s position in ecliptic.> > > > The purpose of this article was to guide your attention> > towards …amp;quot;> > > > 1. Divisions of year as seasons> > 2. The predictive usefulness of seasons> > 3. To reveal the problems and possibilities so that it could > serve as> > a starting point for informative discussion.> > Note> > Before finishing this article, one doubt …amp;quot;> > > > Mihira both in Pancha Siddhantika and Brihat Samhita refer to Sayana> > Zodiac and guide us to start counting Makara Rasi from Winter > solstice.> > If it is so, is it not possible that he is referring to the 4 season> > western zodiac?> > > > Drekkana is th 1/3rd division of a sign. A year > contains 12> > months. 12/3 = 4 seasons! Is it possible that by the words> > “Drekkanai Sisiradaya...†he is referring to the Sisiradi> > (Winter, Spring, Summer, Autumn) 4 seasons? Thus the question may > arise> > …amp;quot; Are we misinterpreting Mihira or understanding him correctly?> > The answer is, we are understanding him correctly. Mihira is > speaking> > about 6 seasons and NOT 4 seasons as evident from the fact that he> > mentions 6 planets are lords of seasons, indicating that he is > referring> > to the 6-season Indian system.> > > > - 0 -> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 Dear Sreenadh ji,Thanks for the very informative write up. //it is NOT the subject/quote that is important but the consciousness that looks at it; we should try to improve our consciousness and deep analytical skills. There every subject, every quote, becomes a treasure to harvest! //How true and absolute!! Very well said.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 22, 2008 Report Share Posted August 22, 2008 Dear Gopu ji, That simply points to the WRONG association of Nirayana signs with Changing Seasons; If the association is RIGHT (i.e. if the signs and seasons are mutually connected), then it points to the fact that the Zodiac used by them is TRIPICAL ZODIAC! //From April 13th to jun 14th it is Vasantha rithu> " Jun15th to aug 16th it is Grishama rithu.> " aug 17th to oct 16th it is Varasha rithu.> " Oct 17th to dec 15th it is Sharath rithu.> " Dec 16th to Feb 12th it is Hemanta rithu.> " Feb 13th to April 13th it is Sisira rithu.// This stament changed to astrological terminolory will read - Mesha & Vrishabha (Aries & Taurus) - April 13th to jun 14th it is Vasantha rithu Mithuna & Karkitaka (Gemini & Cancer) - Jun15th to aug 16th it is Grishama rithu. Simha & Kanya (Leo & Virgo) - Aug 17th to oct 16th it is Varasha rithu. Tula & Vrischika (Libra & Scorpio) - Oct 17th to dec 15th it is Sharath rithu. Dhanu & Makara (Sagittarius & Capricorn) - Dec 16th to Feb 12th it is Hemanta rithu. Kumbha & Meena (Aquarius & Pisces) - Feb 13th to April 13th it is Sisira rithu. This is why, I told that it is WRONG association - seasons are NOT connected to Fixed signs, and DOES NOT start from Meshadi. Seasons should be counted based on Any of the cardinal points such as Winter Solstice or Vernal Equinox. So the point is, either Pampu panchanga totally WRONG about seasons; or it is speaking about/follows Tropical Zodiac! Hope this clarifies.Love and regards,Sreenadh , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> dear Sreenadhji,> According to Pambu Panchagam following are the seasons:> > From April 13th to jun 14th it is Vasantha rithu> " Jun15th to aug 16th it is Grishama rithu.> " aug 17th to oct 16th it is Varasha rithu.> " Oct 17th to dec 15th it is Sharath rithu.> " Dec 16th to Feb 12th it is Hemanta rithu.> " Feb 13th to April 13th it is Sisira rithu.> > vasanthu rithu is ruled by mesha and rishaba.> grishma is ruled by mithuna and kataka.> varasha '" simha and kanya.> sharath "" thula and vrichika> hemantha """ dhanus and makara> sisira """ kumbha and meena.> > good wishes> k.gopu > > > > > --- On Thu, 8/21/08, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > Sreenadh sreesog Drekkanai Sisiradaya......> > Thursday, August 21, 2008, 7:06 PM> > > > > > > > Drekkanai Sisiradaya.. ....> - Written by Sreenadh OG> Brihat Jataka 2nd Chapter 12th sloka reads as follows â€"> Drekkanai sisiradaya sa-su-ru-cha- jna-guadish udyatsu va> Meaning, the seasons are ruled by the following planets â€"> > Sisira - Saturn> Vasanta - Venus> Greeshma - Mars> Varsha - Moon> Sarat - Mercury> Hemanta - Jupiter> Based on the rising Drekkana (assigned to these planets), or based on the Planets in Lagna seasons can be indicated.> > This quotes is much thought provoking, due to various reasons. When we speak about seasons several important facts should be remembered. Some of them are as follows â€"> > When people in Northern hemisphere experience Summer, it is winter in Southern hemisphere & When it is winter in Northern hemisphere, it is Summer for the people of Southern hemisphere.> What the people of Northern hemisphere call winter solstice would be considered as summer solstice by the people of Southern hemisphere and vice versa.> Due to the above points, it is totally confusing to> > To correlate/connect Months/dates with seasons (without mentioning the hemisphere)> To refer to one of the solstices and relate it to a particular date (without mentioning the hemisphere)> In the west only 4 seasons are considered, but in Sanskrit we count 6 seasons (so translation of season names is always a problem)> English style seasons (for Northern hemisphere)> 1. Winter : November to March> 2. Spring : March to June> 3. Summer : June to September> 4. Autumn : September to Nov> Please note that this is an unequal division, and NOT an equal division such as 1 season = 3 months. Winter is spans more than 4 months while autumn spans just around 2 months.> Indian style seasons (for Northern hemisphere)> > 1. Sisira - Deep Winter (Dec 23 â€" Feb 23)> 2. Vasanta - Spring (Feb 23 â€" April 21)> 3. Greeshma - Summer (April 21 â€" June 22)> 4. Varsha - Rainy Season (June 22 â€" Aug 22)> 5. Sarat - Autumn (Aug 22 â€" Oct 22)> 6. Hemanta - Winter (Oct 22 â€" Dec 23)> - Please note that dates are all-approximate and could vary based on longitude and latitude of places.> For Southern hemisphere this is not at all true; and no easterner or westerner will ever agree on the naming of seasons and periods they cover! So let us note mention the hemisphere and dates but just resort to referring to the Indian seasons name alone and go through their association with planets and planetary significance.> > Seasons and Planets> Lordship of sign is assigned to planets, but seasons are NOT related to signs, but are related to the cardinal points equinoxes and solstices. Thus the assignment of rulership of these seasons to planets must be related to the NATURE of these planets rather than to lordship of signs. Thus we realize that â€"> 1. Sisira (Deep Winter) : season of sadness, cold, death â€" and thus the lordship to Saturn.> 2. Vasanta (Spring) : season of flowers, happiness, sexy, creative â€" and thus the lordship to Venus.> 3. Greshma (Summer) : hot season, blazing sun, heat â€" and thus the lordship to Mars.> 4. Varsha (Rainy Season) : Monsoon, rainy season â€" and thus the lordship to Moon.> 5. Sarat (Autumn) : Pure, bright, white, cloudless sky â€" and thus the lordship to Mercury.> 6. Hemanta (Winter) : Golden, Fruitful â€" and thus the lordship to Jupitor.> > Application In Jataka> Since, by now we have a fairly good understanding about what Ritus (Seasons) are and what their naming convention refer to, let us go through some astro-doubts.> > 1) Where are we supposed to use it â€" in natal chart reading or in Prashna?> As we all know, seasons are related to the movement of Sun through the ecliptic, movement of Sun through the signs. In my chart, if sun is near after the winter solstice then certainly I took birth in Sisira season (Deep Winter). Or in other words, the season at the time of birth is related to the distance between winter solstice (or any of the 4 cardinal points) and Sun. This is certainly not at all related to Lagna, or rising of any planet in Lagna, or to the Drekkana that rises at BT. Thus this can’t be the point Varaha Mihira is referring to.> But if not for natal horoscope, why Brihat Jataka mentions it? Since BJ is a text for Natal horoscopy, certainly it must have some connection with the natal horoscope. If so, then what is that connection/applicat ion? Some applications are as follows - > Planets and Seasons> If a planet is well placed/strong in a horoscope, then the season indicated by the same planet would be beneficial and health providing to the native. If a planet is badly placed in a horoscope, during the season indicated by that planet, the native may suffer diseases and heath problems.> Drekkana Ritu Dasa> There are three variations to this concept.> > Since a drekkana is 10 degree, 10 years is considered as a season. As per this, the first 10 years of life in childhood is deep winter season, the next 10 years from 10 to 20 years is spring season, 20-30 is summer season, 30-40 is rainy season, 40-50 is autumn season and 50-60 is winter season. The seasons again repeat during the life span.> There are 36 Drekkanas in the zodiac and each Drekkana is assumed to represent season. Each Drekkana is and each season is 6 years each. Thus when the native is 36 years of age, he would have completed one cycle of seasons in his life, and by 72 two cycles of seasons. (Due to this 36 years and 72 years of age usually act as critical ages that could cause death). Thus 0-6 is Sisira, 6-12 Vasanta, 12-18 Greeshma, 18-24 Varsha and so on.> There are 36 Drekkanas, 108 Navamsas, and since one drekkana contains 3 navamsas. Thus one Drekkana indicate 3 years, and a single season. As per this system 18 years complete a circle of seasons. 108 years is considered as maximum life span here.> When we try to determine the period at which certain results indicated by the planet may materialize, then the dasa and season indicated by Drekkana Lord of the planet can point to the period at which the result may materialize. (Especially while using any of the above dasa systems). > > Application In Prashna> As we all know the text BJ is used not only for Natal chart analysis, but also for Prashna. In Prashna context, the above quote can have the following applications â€"> > Nashta Jataka: In Nashta Jataka Prashna, it can be used to guess the season in which the native took birth.> In Prashna (for deciphering the results of the previous year or so), if some results are indicated by a perticular degree (i.e. lagna) then if a planet is present in that sign the season at which that result might manifest can be identified from that planet. If no planet is present in that sign, then the Drekkana lord will indicate the relevant season.> A Question> If you are NOT satisfied with all the above possibilities, then here is a question for you.> What would be your response, if some hard believer in astrology argue that if the Lagna longitude is given, then based on that it can be predicted that in which season he took birth? i.e. If he argues that, as per the BJ sloka, If there is any planet in Lagna then the native took birth in that season, and if no planet is present in Lagna then the native must have taken birth in the season indicated by the Drekkana Lord of Lagna. (It is an interpretation that is very much possible as per the BJ sloka)> This certainly seems to be a hard to digest argument from scientific perspective, since Lagna and other planets DOES NOT have anything to do with seasons. Seasons are related to Sun’s position in ecliptic.> The purpose of this article was to guide your attention towards â€"> > Divisions of year as seasons> The predictive usefulness of seasons> To reveal the problems and possibilities so that it could serve as a starting point for informative discussion.> Note> Before finishing this article, one doubt â€"> Mihira both in Pancha Siddhantika and Brihat Samhita refer to Sayana Zodiac and guide us to start counting Makara Rasi from Winter solstice. If it is so, is it not possible that he is referring to the 4 season western zodiac?> Drekkana is th 1/3rd division of a sign. A year contains 12 months. 12/3 = 4 seasons! Is it possible that by the words â€Å"Drekkanai Sisiradaya.. .� he is referring to the Sisiradi (Winter, Spring, Summer, Autumn) 4 seasons? Thus the question may arise â€" Are we misinterpreting Mihira or understanding him correctly? The answer is, we are understanding him correctly. Mihira is speaking about 6 seasons and NOT 4 seasons as evident from the fact that he mentions 6 planets are lords of seasons, indicating that he is referring to the 6-season Indian system.> - 0 -> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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