Guest guest Posted October 21, 2008 Report Share Posted October 21, 2008 dear friends while discussing on jupiter and venus earlier, neelamji expressed how and when venus started representing daityas or rakshasas. sometime earlier, another member wanted a reference from scriptures where it is mentioned that sukragraha is sukracharya. firstly, sukracharya has his original name usanasa and is a son of sage bhrigu. sage bhrigu is a son of lord brahma. members are also aware of brahma's son pulastya, pulastya's son visrasrava and visrasrava's son ravana. sage sukracharya was a guru to all i.e. gods, kings, sages, devatas and rakshasas. however, devatas were biased towards brihaspati and rakshasas were biased towards sukracharya. sages, by their wont, bless those who approach and show respect towards them. there were many references where sage sukracharya was equally learnt that of sage brihaspati. brihaspati sending his son kacha to sukracharya to become his shishya and learn mritasanjivinividya and the subsequent affair of sukracharya's daughter devayani with kacha is known to all. like the two party system prevailing these days, the various sects from gods to demons were loosely divided into taking two sides viz. devatas and rakshasas and it is at this juncture that several rakshasa kings who ruled the world for crores of years treated sage sukracharya as their guru and made all their people as shishyas of sukra. it is how sage sukracharya is branded as guru of rakshasas, though in reality, he is a guru of all who approach him. shivapurana, rudrasamhita, yuddhakhanda section 5, chapters 47 to 50 narrate how lord shiva blessed sukracharya to become a planet that enhances semen and virility (kalatrakaraka) in men to get children and also how marriages performed when sukra is rising are most auspicious and benefic to the natives. hindu mythology has lot of references of how gods, kings, sages and demons were given planetary status and these references are found in various puranas. since astrologers attribute mythological lordships and dieties to worship for each planet as remedies, as written in the ancient astro scriptures, mythological references are as valid as the visible astronomical planets. with best wishes and blessings pandit arjun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Dear Members, Rishi Shukracharya is a normal person in general, in the Lord Vishnu's Vamana Avatar, when he seeks the three boons as a "Brahmin Yachika" with Raja Bali, the Chief Advisor & Guru Sage Shukracharya, using his tantra skills obstructs the flow of water from the Kamandal of Young Vamana, to obstruct the event, then Lord Vishnu "pokes" kamadal outlet with a sharp object, thereby hurting the "eye" of Sage Shukracharya ...causing blindness in one eye i.e. left eye This is the actual story from the mythology.... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote: Dear Chanduchill ji, //Just a thought came while reading about Shukracharya. How and Why Shukracharya became ONE-EYED? is there any particular history (classical ref)..or reason behind this?// I do not think that Bhrigu is one-eyed. But the sage is said to have an extra eye in the sole of his foot, which gave him special powers. This eye is said to have been removed by Vishnu. But with he does not become one-eyed. Regards Neelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Dear Chandu ji and Neelam ji,//I do not think that Bhrigu is one-eyed. // This may not be true. There seems to be a Puranic story and a whole Kerala tradition (related to Onam festival and the story of Mahabali and Vamana) which states that - "Sage Sukracharya was the guru of Mahabali. When Mahabali was going to give Dana to Vamana by pouring water to the hands of Vamana, by understanding the potential danger involved in giving such a dana to Vamana (the incarnation of Mahavishu), Sukracharya became a beetle and blocked the opening of the water pouring vessel. (This type of Vessel is called 'Kindi' in Malayalam, I don't know what they call it in Sanskrit or English). With a sharp grass Vamana pocked at the opening of the Vessel and Sage Sukracharya lost one his eyes" - it is told. Some one might be having the puranic reference, I believe. Thus for sure there is a story that tells us that - "Sukracharya is one eyed'. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "neelam gupta" <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Chanduchill ji,> > > //Just a thought came while reading about Shukracharya. How and Why> Shukracharya became ONE-EYED? is there any particular history (classical> ref)..or reason behind this?//> > I do not think that Bhrigu is one-eyed. But the sage is said to have an> extra eye in the sole of his foot, which gave him special powers. This eye> is said to have been removed by Vishnu. But with he does not become> one-eyed.> > This comes in the last part of the famous story of Bhrigu in which Narada> askes him to see who is the best among the trinity. It goes like this?> At Vaikuntam, Lord Vishnu was reposing on Adisesha with Sri Mahalakshmi in> service at His feet. Finding that Lord Vishnu also did not notice him, the> sage was infuriated and kicked the Lord on His chest, the place where> Mahalakshmi resides. At once, Lord Vishnu hastened to apologise to the angry> sage and pressed his feet to allay the pain caused to Bhrigu's leg. *In> doing so the Lord removed the eye in the foot of the sage, stripping of his> special powers.* There upon, the sage concluded that Lord Vishnu was the> most supreme of the trimurthis and told the rishis the same.> > Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Dear Neelam ji, That was much informative. Thanks. Love and regards, Sreenadh , " neelam gupta " <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Sreenadh ji and group, > > //Mails after mail this thread is becoming more and more informative!// > > That is the MAYA of Venus? the beauty in all forms and abstracts. And we, > the Mayaavis love venus. > > *Here's some more on Shukracharya.* > > There is a very striking and beautiful phenomenon shown by venus. I touched > upon it in my earlier post, The Celestial Dance of Venus. > > Venus, the Earth, and Moon are in a type of synchronous dance. Venus > completes 5 conjunction dances, each one different in appearance, every 8 > years. Then it repeats itself ? the same dance occurs on the same date 8 > years later! Even the phase of the Moon is the same. > > Venus shows a sacred geometry in its movement in the celestial sphere. When > viewed from the Earth, Venus appears to describe a pentagram, or > five-petaled rose, in its highly regular cycle of retrogrades & stations. > Starting with any Venus-Sun conjunction, successive conjunctions will > describe a 5-pointed star, and in exactly the same fashion as if you were to > draw it with a pencil on paper. > > I have been able to locate a weblink where you can watch a part of this > awesome dance and wonder at the nature's perfect schemes. It is only > sun-moon-venus in this graphic. One can imagine the tango when moon is also > added with its 99 points? > http://southmovement.alphalink.com.au/commentaries/Pattern.html > > Having seen that, can we know relate it to some astrological significations. > Some of the pointers are: > > - The five conjunctions occur in different tatwas. > - Its conjunctions also relate to panchbhutas. The Chinese cultures refer > to the planet as the *metal star* based on the Five Elements. > - At every alternate conjunction, venus is retrograde. > - The pattern of movement of venus around sun, in front and behind has a > meaning for natal chart and transit. > - Successive conjunctions of Venus plot the points of a pentagram around > the Sun every eight years, returning to its starting point after a forty > year cycle can find use in predictions. > > It will be nice if members can think aloud on these points. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Dear Sreenadhji and group, I think some confusion has crept in here. Rishi Bhrigu and Shukra are two separate entities. Shukracharya was Bhrigu's son. I think I made the mistake of describing Bhrigu Rishi's third eye, when Chanduchill ji was asking about Shukracharya's one eye. I may be excused for that. RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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