Yantra Tantra Mantra- Ref from Original post by Neelamji

November 2, 2008

Dear Neelamji,

I agree with you totally on the views expressed. One clarification though with reference to the following sentence in the post

If the law of karma has to prevail, no amount of yantr-mantr- tantr would save one. Besides maintaining the diary, the Yama also has the liberty to knock down people, as and where he wants.

Does that mean that all our prayers are no good at the end of the day? It may be possible that a few would have had miraculous escapes inspite of being present at the unfortunate location...

Regards,

Mandar B

--- On Sun, 11/2/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Serial Blasts again -In Guwahati Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 3:12 AM

Dear Prashant ji,

//Unless there is a collective effort we can't pin point the place and as raman said it is a science of tendencies not precision that is collective Karma of the affected ppl to suffer who are in Brahmas and Yama's diary which we can never read.//

That really is the truth.

Astrology is a guiding light, but the light itself is divine, how and where it'll show and be an effective tool, may not be in our hands. If the law of karma has to prevail, no amount of yantr-mantr- tantr would save one. Besides maintaining the diary, the Yama also has the liberty to knock down people, as and where he wants.

Natural disasters and mass killings have happened at all times in past also, even complete civilisations getting wiped out in the process. It is only but natural to perish. For people who we think are innocent, who knows what baggage they're carrying from their previous lives. In olden times, population was less, we fought with swords and there was no media hype… but the same principles worked.

//The power of population is so superior to the power of the earth to produce subsistence for man, that premature death must in some shape or other visit the human race. The vices of mankind are active and able ministers of depopulation. They are the precursors in the great army of destruction, and often finish the dreadful work themselves. But should they fail in this war of extermination, sickly seasons, epidemics, pestilence, and plague advance in terrific array, and sweep off their thousands and tens of thousands.// said Malthus long back and we all accept.

Mundane astrology is a difficult branch. Texts like Brihat Samhita are quite comprehensive, but we need dedicated, scientific investigations to apply the principles and show the results.. We can also pick up indicators by tallying the previous happenings with the planetary positions and work on replicating factors. As you say, individualistic approach cannot serve the purpose. A body of learned astrologers with a scientific bent of mind can search and re-search to uncover some hidden truths. Even with all that, nature still has its ways of throwing shocks and surprises at us.

Moreover, have these predictions, (whenever they've been made) ever been of help to mankind? Can we ever reach a level of confidence to evacuate a potential earthquake-prone area solely on the basis of a prediction?

Meteorology is one area where astrology can be a great tool in our hands. Knowledge about weather conditions can help in agricultural plans, daily work plans, etc.

When we understand 'how far and thus far' of astrology, we should adopt a rational approach in astrology without going overboard. We should try to use this knowledge where we can confidently help people to make there lives better. I feel natal astrology is far more developed and researched. It can guide us in knowing our aptitudes and inclinations and assessing our strengths and weaknesses in all areas of life. This can be used in finding suitable careers, partners, relationships, ways of life, health, spiritual enhancements, etc. Knowledge about the good and bad periods can help us optimise our efforts, so on and so forth.

For the rest, we may surrender to Brahma/Yama, but try to make a better balance sheet of our karmas for which natal astrology can be a very good guide.

Don't we come full circle here… help one help all… make better human beings and make a better world!!

RegardsNeelam

November 2, 2008

Dear Mandar ji.

Being aware that your mail is addressed to Neelamji, i would still like to add a short comment.

Prayers make a difference - Certainly - BUT only for adridha paap karmas, where certain respite may be seen in the evil results,

BUT for the dridha paap karmas, there is no respite ( For ordinary people like us ).

Those few who have escape may not have been destined to die at that time, or would have grace of Guru, or blessing of a saint, or some family members great tapa would be saving him.

Apart from this - My views -

There is nothing like impossible in this world and Earth. If your prayers have the powers then you can take out water from a stone. Or make a stone drink milk. or even fly in the air to another city in another body, or heal a big wound within the next morning.

But how many of us can say such type of prayers or have such type of Bhakti to gain such powers ?

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, Mandar B <mandar_bh07 wrote:>> Dear Neelamji,> I agree with you totally on the views expressed. One clarification though with reference to the following sentence in the post> > If the law of karma has to prevail, no amount of yantr-mantr- tantr would save one. Besides maintaining the diary, the Yama also has the liberty to knock down people, as and where he wants. > > > Does that mean that all our prayers are no good at the end of the day? It may be possible that a few would have had miraculous escapes inspite of being present at the unfortunate location...> > > Regards,> Mandar B> > > --- On Sun, 11/2/08, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote:> > neelam gupta neelamgupta07 Re: Re: Serial Blasts again -In Guwahati> > Sunday, November 2, 2008, 3:12 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji,> //Unless there is a collective effort we can't pin point the place and as raman said it is a science of tendencies not precision that is collective Karma of the affected ppl to suffer who are in Brahmas and Yama's diary which we can never read.//> That really is the truth. > > Astrology is a guiding light, but the light itself is divine, how and where it'll show and be an effective tool, may not be in our hands. If the law of karma has to prevail, no amount of yantr-mantr- tantr would save one. Besides maintaining the diary, the Yama also has the liberty to knock down people, as and where he wants. > Natural disasters and mass killings have happened at all times in past also, even complete civilisations getting wiped out in the process. It is only but natural to perish. For people who we think are innocent, who knows what baggage they're carrying from their previous lives. In olden times, population was less, we fought with swords and there was no media hype… but the same principles worked.> //The power of population is so superior to the power of the earth to produce subsistence for man, that premature death must in some shape or other visit the human race. The vices of mankind are active and able ministers of depopulation. They are the precursors in the great army of destruction, and often finish the dreadful work themselves. But should they fail in this war of extermination, sickly seasons, epidemics, pestilence, and plague advance in terrific array, and sweep off their thousands and tens of thousands.// said Malthus long back and we all accept.> Mundane astrology is a difficult branch. Texts like Brihat Samhita are quite comprehensive, but we need dedicated, scientific investigations to apply the principles and show the results. We can also pick up indicators by tallying the previous happenings with the planetary positions and work on replicating factors. As you say, individualistic approach cannot serve the purpose. A body of learned astrologers with a scientific bent of mind can search and re-search to uncover some hidden truths. Even with all that, nature still has its ways of throwing shocks and surprises at us. > Moreover, have these predictions, (whenever they've been made) ever been of help to mankind? Can we ever reach a level of confidence to evacuate a potential earthquake-prone area solely on the basis of a prediction? > Meteorology is one area where astrology can be a great tool in our hands. Knowledge about weather conditions can help in agricultural plans, daily work plans, etc.> When we understand 'how far and thus far' of astrology, we should adopt a rational approach in astrology without going overboard. We should try to use this knowledge where we can confidently help people to make there lives better. I feel natal astrology is far more developed and researched. It can guide us in knowing our aptitudes and inclinations and assessing our strengths and weaknesses in all areas of life. This can be used in finding suitable careers, partners, relationships, ways of life, health, spiritual enhancements, etc. Knowledge about the good and bad periods can help us optimise our efforts, so on and so forth. > For the rest, we may surrender to Brahma/Yama, but try to make a better balance sheet of our karmas for which natal astrology can be a very good guide.. > > Don't we come full circle here… help one help all… make better human beings and make a better world!! > > Regards> Neelam>

November 2, 2008

Dear Mandar ji, I think Bhaskar ji has given you the answer.

Yes, it's a matter of

knowing what can be addressed and mitigated with prayers, etc. It is also a matter

of understanding the dridh and adridh nature of happenings in their connection

with our freewill. The whole issue is quite complex and debatable. It also depends

upon the individual perceptions.

Please read this line //If the law of karma has to prevail, no amount of yantr-mantr- tantr

would save one. Besides maintaining the diary, the Yama also has the

liberty to knock down people, as and where he wants.//it in

conjunction with my concluding sentence:

We may surrender to

Brahma/Yama, but try to make a better balance sheet of our karmas for which

natal astrology can be a very good guide.

The better balance sheet will be made

through good kriyamaan karmas which includes prayers (I am not defining what is

good here), which can help in absolving the effects of sanchit karmas to an

extent, and add points for agaami karmas.

In any case, the most

important purpose of prayers for a common man is to gain strength to suffer the adversities

and to enjoy the good times.RegardsNeelam

November 2, 2008

Hello ,

Yantra,mantra, tantra do have effects in our life. But if

they are included as NIMMIT only. I mean if u r destined to achivev

somthing by doing remedies only then u will do and get benefit if u

r not destined then all wil go in vain. EXample- Before Killing

Ravana, ShriRam did chandi path ,yagya and also did famous surya

stotra ( aditya hridam).

See in horoscopical view of shri Rama its

written that he will get power by doing this and then get victory.So

NIMMIT was included in that victory or occasion.

There r various remedies wriiten in naadi

texts as nimmit to do or achieve what u r destined. So it clearly

means that EVEN REMEDIES R FIXED AND DESTINED FOR PARTICULAR JATAK.

If some one is destined to have sidhi of kali maa at age of 68 by

doing chandi yagya ,then it will surely happen .BUT on other hand if

he tries some other tantra mantra then he will not succeed bcz at

with that siddhi ,niimit is AGE OF 68, CHANDI YAGYA ETC....

sO THing is to know your self, i mean SWA

DHARMA.ONLY those person who r concious, awarred and know there own

self can know there real nimmit and remedies only.

thanks,

dheeraj khosla

, Mandar B

<mandar_bh07 wrote:

>

> Dear Neelamji,

> I agree with you totally on the views expressed. One clarification

though with reference to the following sentence in the post

>

> If the law of karma has to prevail, no amount of yantr-mantr-

tantr would save one. Besides maintaining the diary, the Yama also

has the liberty to knock down people, as and where he wants.

>

> Does that mean that all our prayers are no good at the end of the

day? It may be possible that a few would have had miraculous escapes

inspite of being present at the unfortunate location...

>

> Regards,

> Mandar B

>

> --- On Sun, 11/2/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> neelam gupta <neelamgupta07

> Re: Re: Serial Blasts again -

In Guwahati

>

> Sunday, November 2, 2008, 3:12 AM

>

Dear Prashant ji,

> //Unless there is a collective effort we can't pin point the place

and as raman said it is a science of tendencies not precision that

is collective Karma of the affected ppl to suffer who are in Brahmas

and Yama's diary which we can never read.//

> That really is the truth.

>

> Astrology is a guiding light, but the light itself is divine, how

and where it'll show and be an effective tool, may not be in our

hands. If the law of karma has to prevail, no amount of yantr-mantr-

tantr would save one. Besides maintaining the diary, the Yama also

has the liberty to knock down people, as and where he wants.

> Natural disasters and mass killings have happened at all times in

past also, even complete civilisations getting wiped out in the

process. It is only but natural to perish. For people who we think

are innocent, who knows what baggage they're carrying from their

previous lives. In olden times, population was less, we fought with

swords and there was no media hype… but the same principles worked.

> //The power of population is so superior to the power of the earth

to produce subsistence for man, that premature death must in some

shape or other visit the human race. The vices of mankind are active

and able ministers of depopulation. They are the precursors in the

great army of destruction, and often finish the dreadful work

themselves. But should they fail in this war of extermination,

sickly seasons, epidemics, pestilence, and plague advance in

terrific array, and sweep off their thousands and tens of

thousands.// said Malthus long back and we all accept.

> Mundane astrology is a difficult branch. Texts like Brihat Samhita

are quite comprehensive, but we need dedicated, scientific

investigations to apply the principles and show the results. We can

also pick up indicators by tallying the previous happenings with the

planetary positions and work on replicating factors. As you say,

individualistic approach cannot serve the purpose. A body of learned

astrologers with a scientific bent of mind can search and re-search

to uncover some hidden truths. Even with all that, nature still has

its ways of throwing shocks and surprises at us.

> Moreover, have these predictions, (whenever they've been made)

ever been of help to mankind? Can we ever reach a level of

confidence to evacuate a potential earthquake-prone area solely on

the basis of a prediction?

> Meteorology is one area where astrology can be a great tool in our

hands. Knowledge about weather conditions can help in agricultural

plans, daily work plans, etc.

> When we understand 'how far and thus far' of astrology, we should

adopt a rational approach in astrology without going overboard. We

should try to use this knowledge where we can confidently help

people to make there lives better. I feel natal astrology is far

more developed and researched. It can guide us in knowing our

aptitudes and inclinations and assessing our strengths and

weaknesses in all areas of life. This can be used in finding

suitable careers, partners, relationships, ways of life, health,

spiritual enhancements, etc. Knowledge about the good and bad

periods can help us optimise our efforts, so on and so forth.

> For the rest, we may surrender to Brahma/Yama, but try to make a

better balance sheet of our karmas for which natal astrology can be

a very good guide..

>

> Don't we come full circle here… help one help all… make better

human beings and make a better world!!

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

November 2, 2008

Thank you all...for enlightening me....I sicerely appreciate!--- On Sun, 11/2/08, DHEERAJ KHOSLA <khosladheeraj wrote:

DHEERAJ KHOSLA <khosladheeraj Re: Yantra Tantra Mantra- Ref from Original post by Neelamji Date: Sunday, November 2, 2008, 11:45 AM

Hello ,Yantra,mantra, tantra do have effects in our life. But if they are included as NIMMIT only. I mean if u r destined to achivev somthing by doing remedies only then u will do and get benefit if u r not destined then all wil go in vain. EXample- Before Killing Ravana, ShriRam did chandi path ,yagya and also did famous surya stotra ( aditya hridam).See in horoscopical view of shri Rama its written that he will get power by doing this and then get victory.So NIMMIT was included in that victory or occasion.There r various remedies wriiten in naadi texts as nimmit to do or achieve what u r destined. So it clearly means that EVEN REMEDIES R FIXED AND DESTINED FOR PARTICULAR JATAK. If some one is destined to have sidhi of kali maa at age of 68 by doing chandi yagya ,then it will surely happen .BUT on other hand if he tries some other tantra mantra then he will not succeed bcz at

with that siddhi ,niimit is AGE OF 68, CHANDI YAGYA ETC....sO THing is to know your self, i mean SWA DHARMA.ONLY those person who r concious, awarred and know there own self can know there real nimmit and remedies only.thanks,dheeraj khoslaancient_indian_ astrology, Mandar B <mandar_bh07@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Neelamji,> I agree with you totally on the views expressed. One clarification though with reference to the following sentence in the post> > If the law of karma has to prevail, no amount of yantr-mantr- tantr would save one. Besides maintaining the diary, the Yama also has the liberty to knock down people, as and where he wants. > > > Does that mean that all our prayers are no good at the end of

the day? It may be possible that a few would have had miraculous escapes inspite of being present at the unfortunate location...> > > Regards,> Mandar B> > > --- On Sun, 11/2/08, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> > neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...>> Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Serial Blasts again -In Guwahati> ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, November 2, 2008, 3:12 AM> > > > > > > > Dear Prashant ji,> //Unless there is a collective effort we can't pin point the place and as raman said it is a science of tendencies not precision that is collective Karma of the affected ppl to suffer who are in Brahmas and Yama's

diary which we can never read.//> That really is the truth. > > Astrology is a guiding light, but the light itself is divine, how and where it'll show and be an effective tool, may not be in our hands. If the law of karma has to prevail, no amount of yantr-mantr- tantr would save one. Besides maintaining the diary, the Yama also has the liberty to knock down people, as and where he wants. > Natural disasters and mass killings have happened at all times in past also, even complete civilisations getting wiped out in the process. It is only but natural to perish. For people who we think are innocent, who knows what baggage they're carrying from their previous lives. In olden times, population was less, we fought with swords and there was no media hype… but the same principles worked.> //The power of population is so superior to the power of the earth to produce subsistence for

man, that premature death must in some shape or other visit the human race. The vices of mankind are active and able ministers of depopulation. They are the precursors in the great army of destruction, and often finish the dreadful work themselves. But should they fail in this war of extermination, sickly seasons, epidemics, pestilence, and plague advance in terrific array, and sweep off their thousands and tens of thousands.// said Malthus long back and we all accept.> Mundane astrology is a difficult branch. Texts like Brihat Samhita are quite comprehensive, but we need dedicated, scientific investigations to apply the principles and show the results. We can also pick up indicators by tallying the previous happenings with the planetary positions and work on replicating factors. As you say, individualistic approach cannot serve the purpose. A body of learned astrologers with a scientific bent

of mind can search and re-search to uncover some hidden truths. Even with all that, nature still has its ways of throwing shocks and surprises at us. > Moreover, have these predictions, (whenever they've been made) ever been of help to mankind? Can we ever reach a level of confidence to evacuate a potential earthquake-prone area solely on the basis of a prediction? > Meteorology is one area where astrology can be a great tool in our hands. Knowledge about weather conditions can help in agricultural plans, daily work plans, etc.> When we understand 'how far and thus far' of astrology, we should adopt a rational approach in astrology without going overboard. We should try to use this knowledge where we can confidently help people to make there lives better. I feel natal astrology is far more developed and researched. It can guide us in knowing our aptitudes and inclinations and assessing

our strengths and weaknesses in all areas of life. This can be used in finding suitable careers, partners, relationships, ways of life, health, spiritual enhancements, etc. Knowledge about the good and bad periods can help us optimise our efforts, so on and so forth. > For the rest, we may surrender to Brahma/Yama, but try to make a better balance sheet of our karmas for which natal astrology can be a very good guide.. > > Don't we come full circle here… help one help all… make better human beings and make a better world!! > > Regards> Neelam>