Astrology is a Science

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Dear Bohra ji,

The status of society and the family where one is born in, also plays an imposrtant role in ones rise in Life, be it academical or professional or financial.

Notice that even big industrialists, Corporate Owners, Karodpatis, Liftmen , or servants, or ordinary subordinates have a good fate Line ( kismat rekha ) in their palms, which may be apparently same in most of these palms. But one would be having millions, the other lakhs, and the other still only thousands in his kitty.

Rise all of them may have, due to their good fate lines, but that rise would be in consonance with the family, class and culture or strata of socety, where they have been born.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "msbohra62" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Dear Pandit Arjunji,> > I would like to learn from you that"Two person born at the same time> in different family,one in rich family and other in poor family,they> both of them will have the same fate and abilities?As like that one> person born in America other born in India,can you see any similarity> in both of them?> > They both are born at the same time and having the same planetary> position in the respective chart but we know one is sleeping in> expensive bed another in guddadi,why?> > You will say it's all depends on "Des-Kal and Parishthiti".But in my> view it is an inappropriate answer which makes astrology in myth not> in a science.For better acceptance of astrology,we have to search the> real and authentic answer.We have to link some other factors or> branches of science with astrology for right prediction.> > Here,the Genomes and Cosmic rays comes in pictures.Different Genomes> play the role here and all planets rays reflect different combination> of final effect on the born person in different environment.As like> any music,if you play in a cave or in a theater it will sound you in> different, where the music is same. > > Different Genomes in the body and Cosmic rays of planets in different> environment play the role to response planetary> position of native chart,as I think.> > What is your view,please let me know.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > > , "panditarjun2004"> panditarjun2004@ wrote:> >> > dear friend> > > > your observation is correct about the system or science of medicine> > and the way it works. when a person is ill, i advise him to consult> > a doctor as that science of medicine works 99 percent satisfactorily.> > > > in my observation and understanding, astro-nomy or astro-physics is a> > science. astro-logy is a derivation of astro-nomy wherein we add> > mythological touches, faiths, beliefs and traditions that are> > scientifically untenable.> > > > yet, all religions all over the world believe in the supreme power> > who has created this universe, planets and the solar system in which> > we are living. some religions worship only one diety or one supreme> > power (god) and we worship various forms of the same power and also> > resort to various types of mollifications, prayers and worship of> > planets and their dieties in various forms. vedas or puranas or> > shastras (like bphs) present planets, stars and their lordships or> > dieties or forms etc. we imagine their images and do worship or> > mollification or various rituals etc. to preclude negative> > indications and to enhance positive benefic influences.> > > > hence, the astrology or jyotish that we learn and practice is> > inexplicably intertwined with hindu mythology. yes, we can strive to> > give scientific reasonings or rationales or logics to answer the> > querents on the validity and applicability.> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > pandit arjun> > > > , "revati_n27"> > <revati_n27@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Neelam ji:> > >> > > I am writing with some apprehension because you are well versed in> > > both Astrology and Genetics.> > >> > > I have hard time comparing Bilogical Science to Astrology but I> > don't> > > mind comparing to Physics or Mathematics (no offense please). I> > > always have had hard time imagining a particle in a three> > dimensional> > > box (from my physical chemistry).> > >> > > Astrology, as I understand is a pointer to what can possibly happen> > > in future. To my knowledge, none has stopped anything from> > happening.> > > For example, Bhishma Pitamaha had learned from the Astrologer that> > > Dritharastra would be responsible for the distruction of the> > Dynasty> > > but having all the powers he possessed he could not do anything but> > a> > > mere witness.> > >> > > However, if you look into medical science the story is different.> > We> > > know only 1 % of the human genome, but with that little knowledge a> > > tremendous progress is obvious. The more we conquer the diverse> > the> > > diseases get, but still step by step we are climbing up there. I> > > don't know how much I can elaborate on the subject, it might get> > > boring. I meant to say that we can pinpoint the causes of diseases> > > and can either prevent by vaccines or do the treatment to cure the> > > same as a result of the research in the relevent field.> > >> > > Jaya> >>

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Dear Liana,Thank you for sharing your beautiful thoughts.//I was always thinking that our minds are alike antennas, we all receive

different vibrations and energies converted in worldly life as ideas,

thoughts, but the way of digesting, feeling, sharing are different

from person to person, according to our own resonance to external, to

the training of our minds on a specific segment... //Indeed our minds, in fact the whole body is like an antenna.... and we resonate not only to external, but also to our internal stimuli... and our imagination only limits our comprehension. Once we comprehend, the more we study which is where science intervenes, the more we see how perfectly balanced everything is...how it all works together so perfectly.

" Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world. " so said Albert Einstein, the greatest scientist of the world. He wanted to discover some Universal Law which makes everything run, which he couldn't fathom after a life-long research.... and it seems finally nodded for Big Bang Theory.

What do we call this... UN-SCIENTIFIC or as Sreeram ji says, SUPER-SCIENCE!!RegardsNeelam

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, " bhagavathi_hariharan "

<bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:

 

Dear all,

 

Why is it that many scientists get interested in astrology? Is it

because astrology is science? Astrologically speaking-

 

A strong mercury would make one a scientist, a strong jupiter would

make one a philosopher. Mercury is also the one that makes a good

astrologer.

 

Effect of 8th house would make one a good astrologer, it is also the

one that makes a good researcher.

 

Not to forget " Rahu " . Rahu gives research. Also, a person who passes

through 18 years of rahu dasa, during the course would be dragged

towards spiritualism, occult etc

 

There are many other combinations, interstingly I found the chart of

a scientist has a close resemblance to that of an astrologer.

Whether, they will be good or bad would depend on the strength of the

planets.

 

Here is a quote from Einstein-

 

" Astrology is a science in itself and contains an

illuminating body of knowledge. It taught me many things

and I am greatly indebted to it. Geophysical evidence

reveals the power of the stars and planets in relation to

the terrestrial. In turn, astrology reinforces this power

to some extent. This is why astrology is like a life giving

elixir to mankind "

 

Source - " Cosmic Religion With Other Opinions and

Aphorisms, " Covici Friede, New York, 1931

(I found this on the web)

 

I believe astrology is science. I do research with microbes, they are

invisible or barely visible to naked eye but can be seen through

microscope, like planets seen through telescope. Microbes can be felt

in the form of diseases, like planets can be felt in the form of

sufferings. Good microbes do help mankind like the good planets that

help during their dashas.

 

I have a long way to go on this dual research.

 

Regards,

 

bhagavathi

 

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Dear Mr. Bohra,

Do you have some nativities which are similar.

This will enable to examine the issue on practical

plane.

If you can share the data , I shall feel obliged.

Regards,

 

G.K.GOEL

 

 

 

 

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msbohra62 <msbohra62

 

Thursday, 13 November, 2008 12:11:32 PM

Re: Astrology is a Science

 

 

Dear Pandit Arjunji,

 

I would like to learn from you that " Two person born at the same time

in different family,one in rich family and other in poor family,they

both of them will have the same fate and abilities?As like that one

person born in America other born in India,can you see any similarity

in both of them?

 

They both are born at the same time and having the same planetary

position in the respective chart but we know one is sleeping in

expensive bed another in guddadi,why?

 

You will say it's all depends on " Des-Kal and Parishthiti " .But in my

view it is an inappropriate answer which makes astrology in myth not

in a science.For better acceptance of astrology,we have to search the

real and authentic answer.We have to link some other factors or

branches of science with astrology for right prediction.

 

Here,the Genomes and Cosmic rays comes in pictures.Different Genomes

play the role here and all planets rays reflect different combination

of final effect on the born person in different environment. As like

any music,if you play in a cave or in a theater it will sound you in

different, where the music is same.

 

Different Genomes in the body and Cosmic rays of planets in different

environment play the role to response planetary

position of native chart,as I think.

 

What is your view,please let me know.

 

Thanks,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004@ ...> wrote:

>

> dear friend

>

> your observation is correct about the system or science of medicine

> and the way it works. when a person is ill, i advise him to consult

> a doctor as that science of medicine works 99 percent satisfactorily.

>

> in my observation and understanding, astro-nomy or astro-physics is a

> science. astro-logy is a derivation of astro-nomy wherein we add

> mythological touches, faiths, beliefs and traditions that are

> scientifically untenable.

>

> yet, all religions all over the world believe in the supreme power

> who has created this universe, planets and the solar system in which

> we are living. some religions worship only one diety or one supreme

> power (god) and we worship various forms of the same power and also

> resort to various types of mollifications, prayers and worship of

> planets and their dieties in various forms. vedas or puranas or

> shastras (like bphs) present planets, stars and their lordships or

> dieties or forms etc. we imagine their images and do worship or

> mollification or various rituals etc. to preclude negative

> indications and to enhance positive benefic influences.

>

> hence, the astrology or jyotish that we learn and practice is

> inexplicably intertwined with hindu mythology. yes, we can strive to

> give scientific reasonings or rationales or logics to answer the

> querents on the validity and applicability.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " revati_n27 "

> <revati_n27@ > wrote:

> >

> > Dear Neelam ji:

> >

> > I am writing with some apprehension because you are well versed in

> > both Astrology and Genetics.

> >

> > I have hard time comparing Bilogical Science to Astrology but I

> don't

> > mind comparing to Physics or Mathematics (no offense please). I

> > always have had hard time imagining a particle in a three

> dimensional

> > box (from my physical chemistry).

> >

> > Astrology, as I understand is a pointer to what can possibly happen

> > in future. To my knowledge, none has stopped anything from

> happening.

> > For example, Bhishma Pitamaha had learned from the Astrologer that

> > Dritharastra would be responsible for the distruction of the

> Dynasty

> > but having all the powers he possessed he could not do anything but

> a

> > mere witness.

> >

> > However, if you look into medical science the story is different.

> We

> > know only 1 % of the human genome, but with that little knowledge a

> > tremendous progress is obvious. The more we conquer the diverse

> the

> > diseases get, but still step by step we are climbing up there. I

> > don't know how much I can elaborate on the subject, it might get

> > boring. I meant to say that we can pinpoint the causes of diseases

> > and can either prevent by vaccines or do the treatment to cure the

> > same as a result of the research in the relevent field.

> >

> > Jaya

>

 

 

 

 

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Dear Jayaji and all,

 

 

// For example, Bhishma Pitamaha had learned from the Astrologer that

Dritharastra would be responsible for the distruction of the Dynasty

but having all the powers he possessed he could not do anything but

a mere witness.//

 

Indeed Bheeshma had the powers but did not use. Each and every

creation has a purpose in the world. If Bheeshma used the power,

Mahabharat would not have taken place. In Ramayan, Hanuman was all

powerful, he could have easily brought Sita back to Ram, he did not

because that was not his purpose. The entire world is only running on

what was previously told or happened. I have often been telling

people that gay marriages would take place and children will be born

of such a marriage because it already happened before. Yesterday, gay

marriage was legalized in Connecticut.

 

An astrologer can see the future but cannot prevent destiny. Last

three months I have been passing through lot of events, including

near death experience, astrologically the time is not favorable. This

prepared me mentally. when I accepted this as the truth, life itself

became easy. I would have never prevented the event but I was

definitely able to reduce the sufferings.

 

We have to learn a lot from experience. When we read Ramayan and

Mahabharat, we will learn from their mistakes.

 

 

A question I thought of often- a child born to black parents is

black, white parents is white, indian parents- can be either brown,

shades of black, pale, fair etc. In India we have varied complexion.

We apply desa kala patra- still given the charts of a black, white

and indian child, born the same time, if we do not reveal the

ethnicity, we would fumble on predicting the complexion of the child.

Complexion itself is influenced by nature. This does not mean

astrology has limitation, but tells that our understanding is limited

 

Regards,

bhagavathi

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

>

> However, if you look into medical science the story is different.

We

> know only 1 % of the human genome, but with that little knowledge a

> tremendous progress is obvious. The more we conquer the diverse

the

> diseases get, but still step by step we are climbing up there. I

> don't know how much I can elaborate on the subject, it might get

> boring. I meant to say that we can pinpoint the causes of diseases

> and can either prevent by vaccines or do the treatment to cure the

> same as a result of the research in the relevent field.

>

> Jaya

, " neelam gupta "

> <neelamgupta07@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bohra ji,

> >

> > You may access the article 'Astrology vs Genetics' in group files

> at the

> > following url:

> >

Neelam%

> 20Gupta/

> >

> > As I said, our knowledge is very rudimentary in both science and

> astrology,

> > and any specific derivation or comparison does not make sense

till

> we know

> > 'what really is' and are sure and confident of it. Till then we

can

> only

> > continue our toddle in the dark mysterious alleys with a hope

that

> one day

> > we might experience the radiance of truth from behind the veil of

> mystery.

> >

> > Today GENE (the term and idea) is 100 years old. May be its time

> for it to

> > be reborn in a new avatar!!

> >

> > An article in Times of India today seems to corroborate what I

said

> > yesterday. We are still far from the truth and the article

> says " 100 years

> > on, 99% of genome still a mystery " .

> >

> > Some excerpts from the article:

> >

> > //The gene, in other words, is in an identity crisis. This crisis

> comes on

> > the eve of the gene's 100th birthday. The word was coined by the

> Danish

> > geneticist Wilhelm Johanssen in 1909, to describe whatever it was

> that

> > parents passed down to their offspring so that they developed the

> same

> > traits. Johanssen had no idea what that invisible factor was. But

> he thought

> > it would be useful to have a way to describe it.//

> >

> > //Gerstein says that in order to define a gene, scientists must

> start with

> > the RNA transcript and trace it back to the DNA. These new

concepts

> are

> > moving the gene away from a physical snippet of DNA and back to a

> more

> > abstract definition. " It's almost a recapture of what the term was

> > originally meant to convey, " Gingeras said. A hundred years after

> it was

> > born, the gene is coming home.//

> >

> > To read the full article please follow this link:

> >

>

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/99_of_genome_still_a_myst

> ery/articleshow/3701511.cms

> >

> > Regards

> > Neelam

> >

>

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Dear Neelam Ji,

 

Thank you for extending the ideas i shared. Some other i would like to

share for these moments are on the same topic Divination where i like

to include astrology, beside other tolls...

I like to consider the astrology chart, the horoscope an unique astral

print of each incarnated soul.

Alike the palmists are reading the lines from hands, another unique

print, the same astrologers are reading the planetary positions from

horoscopes.

What makes the difference between astrology and palmistry reading?

Perhaps the mathematical formulas used by astrology.

Interesting is that palms lines are fixed, planets are moving, good

predictions can be done from both ways, astrology and palmistry, so

what makes astrology special? The detailed and more accurate predictions.

Can we conclude our destinies are written in the stars alike in our palms?

 

Warm Regards,

 

Liana

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dear friend

 

your query has already been anwered by the learnt friends and hence

will give only my observation which you may agree or disagree.

 

the time, date and place (country, house or status) of birth of a

native is hundred percent dependant on the audited results of the

karmic balance sheet of the previous birth. generally the broad

indicators of future occurr on their own for any native till the

child attains an age of capable of doing fresh good or bad karmas

whereafter the native has the capacity to post good or bad karmas in

his balance sheet. the blessings, support, discouragement or curses

from parents, elders, gurus, sages and gods can change the future of

a native any which way. each human has the POTENTIAL to impose

freewill and steer his own life the way he wants but less than one

percent strive to do it. in extreme rare cases, evil affliction,

prayogas from others and possession of an evil too wreck havoc with a

native which is known only on hindsight.

 

so, it is like each person holding his bank account statement as on

the date of his birth and whether to post debits or credits into it

by him, his parents or others has various pull and push drivers.

 

with best wishes and blessings

pandit arjun

 

, " msbohra62 "

<msbohra62 wrote:

>

> Dear Pandit Arjunji,

>

> I would like to learn from you that " Two person born at the same time

> in different family,one in rich family and other in poor family,they

> both of them will have the same fate and abilities?As like that one

> person born in America other born in India,can you see any

similarity

> in both of them?

>

> They both are born at the same time and having the same planetary

> position in the respective chart but we know one is sleeping in

> expensive bed another in guddadi,why?

>

> You will say it's all depends on " Des-Kal and Parishthiti " .But in my

> view it is an inappropriate answer which makes astrology in myth not

> in a science.For better acceptance of astrology,we have to search

the

> real and authentic answer.We have to link some other factors or

> branches of science with astrology for right prediction.

>

> Here,the Genomes and Cosmic rays comes in pictures.Different Genomes

> play the role here and all planets rays reflect different

combination

> of final effect on the born person in different environment.As like

> any music,if you play in a cave or in a theater it will sound you in

> different, where the music is same.

>

> Different Genomes in the body and Cosmic rays of planets in

different

> environment play the role to response planetary

> position of native chart,as I think.

>

> What is your view,please let me know.

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

>

> , " panditarjun2004 "

> <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> >

> > dear friend

> >

> > your observation is correct about the system or science of

medicine

> > and the way it works. when a person is ill, i advise him to

consult

> > a doctor as that science of medicine works 99 percent

satisfactorily.

> >

> > in my observation and understanding, astro-nomy or astro-physics

is a

> > science. astro-logy is a derivation of astro-nomy wherein we add

> > mythological touches, faiths, beliefs and traditions that are

> > scientifically untenable.

> >

> > yet, all religions all over the world believe in the supreme power

> > who has created this universe, planets and the solar system in

which

> > we are living. some religions worship only one diety or one

supreme

> > power (god) and we worship various forms of the same power and

also

> > resort to various types of mollifications, prayers and worship of

> > planets and their dieties in various forms. vedas or puranas or

> > shastras (like bphs) present planets, stars and their lordships or

> > dieties or forms etc. we imagine their images and do worship or

> > mollification or various rituals etc. to preclude negative

> > indications and to enhance positive benefic influences.

> >

> > hence, the astrology or jyotish that we learn and practice is

> > inexplicably intertwined with hindu mythology. yes, we can

strive to

> > give scientific reasonings or rationales or logics to answer the

> > querents on the validity and applicability.

> >

> > with best wishes and blessings

> > pandit arjun

> >

> > , " revati_n27 "

> > <revati_n27@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Neelam ji:

> > >

> > > I am writing with some apprehension because you are well versed

in

> > > both Astrology and Genetics.

> > >

> > > I have hard time comparing Bilogical Science to Astrology but I

> > don't

> > > mind comparing to Physics or Mathematics (no offense please). I

> > > always have had hard time imagining a particle in a three

> > dimensional

> > > box (from my physical chemistry).

> > >

> > > Astrology, as I understand is a pointer to what can possibly

happen

> > > in future. To my knowledge, none has stopped anything from

> > happening.

> > > For example, Bhishma Pitamaha had learned from the Astrologer

that

> > > Dritharastra would be responsible for the distruction of the

> > Dynasty

> > > but having all the powers he possessed he could not do anything

but

> > a

> > > mere witness.

> > >

> > > However, if you look into medical science the story is

different.

> > We

> > > know only 1 % of the human genome, but with that little

knowledge a

> > > tremendous progress is obvious. The more we conquer the diverse

> > the

> > > diseases get, but still step by step we are climbing up there.

I

> > > don't know how much I can elaborate on the subject, it might get

> > > boring. I meant to say that we can pinpoint the causes of

diseases

> > > and can either prevent by vaccines or do the treatment to cure

the

> > > same as a result of the research in the relevent field.

> > >

> > > Jaya

> >

>

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Dear Bohra ji, * Na is not salty. * Cl is not salty * But NaCl is salty, and this saltiness in an emergent quality. * It is not true to think that ALL physical properties depend on chemical properties or vice versa. For example, Hydrogen does not have the qualities of Water, Oxygen does not have the qualities of water, Unlike Hydrogen and Oxygen H2O is usually a liquid, Whether H2O will exist as a solid-liquid-gas too is not depended on its chemical components but on the factors like the surrounding temperature (environment). So the point I wanted to make was - } * It is NOT the DNA/RNA structure or chemical natrue that determines everything - there could be numerous other factors, such as the ENVIRONMENTAL INFLUENCE. * Knowing the DNA/RNA structure or chemical properties usually DOES NOT help us much in knowing the EMERGENT QUOLITIES that depends on various other parameters as well. Hope you see the point I was trying to make. Please note one more point that could be useful : To an extend Physical properties depends on chemical properties; but it is also true that Chemical properties depends on physical properties such as structure and arrangement (of electrons, protons, atoms, bonds, sub-atomic particles or whatever). Going to subtlety - we may even loss the distinction between physical and chemical. This understanding and perspective seems to be much important. Love and regards,Sreenadh , "msbohra62" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Dear Sreenadhji,> > It is sorry to say you have coded wrong example with wrong theory.> > You know very well NaCl is salty.can you taste NaoH?> > what is the difference between both?,When Na+ bound with Cl- it's> become NaCl and when Na+ bound with OH- it will become NaoH.> > The Chemical reaction is as below :-> NaoH + HCl -> NaCl + H2O> > Can you produce NaCl without Na+ and Cl- ? No! So we know very well> the real components ( Na and Cl)which require to produce NaCl(> salt).If we know we have Na and Cl in the reaction,it will produce> NaCl,which taste salty.Can you make NaCl by Na+ and OH- ?If Na and Cl> not present we can't make Salt(NaCl). > > As like this all seeds have the all the characteristics in himself to> produce the same tree or plant.We Can say Mango seeds will produce> Mango tree and Neem seeds will produce Neem tree.That's not mean the> seeds will grow by himself,it's require seeding,feeding to grow and> environment to grow.It have all the characteristics but medium is> required to explore the qualities.> > If we know we are seeding Mango seeds we will get Mango tree and it> will produce Mango,which taste sweet,that's not means seed it self> taste sweet.If we now well the or recognize well Mango seed we can say> it will produce Mango,but to get Mango there are somany condition have> to apply.But we can say it will produce Mango tree not Neem tree.> > As Neelamji stated and today one article published in Times of> India,we are having very little knowledge about DNA & RNA as like> that we are having very little knowledge of Astrology.So please don't> jump to conclusion that what will do DNA & RNA for human Mental and> Health problems.It's well known that if a track of rail is so solid> for 500km speed,we can run the train at the speed of 500km/hour,track> is so solid,if you are not able to made a engine who can run at speed> of 500km/hour it is not default of track.We are looking the> astrological combination for particular abilities of a natal,it up to> him,he will become a expert Mechanic or Engineer.Chart say technical> qualities of a natal(Desh,Kal,Paristhithee depends to produce,what upto).> > Our forefathers have predicted absolutely correct so many times at the> time of birth of a child,how they said this children will become> "BUDHA" or a King?we are just using some their knowledge.We are not> discovering any new,we are just researching what they have said or> established the astrological rules.> > Planetary combination are so complex as like Chemical reaction in our> mind,when we will understand most of them than we can predict as like> any test in a Lab for certain result by certain combinations.> > We have to research the astrological relation with Human coded> cell(RNA & DNA),it is my opinion and strong thought.> > So many learned astrologer are active in this forum but most of them> just using set rules,they are not active to think new aspects even not> ready to accept new vision,as I feel so.May be I am on wrong track but> always try to think some different way.> > I am just K.G. class student in astrology,looking for guide-line from> learned astrologer.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > > , "Sreenadh"> sreesog@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > //> As you are scientist and Astrologer, I would like to know your> > analysis> > > if you have did, DNA & RNA having all the code of Physical and> > > Psychological structure of any human, if you can read their RNA & DNA> > > you can predict confirmatively about their Health and Mental> > > abilities. What characteristics they have and what abilities they have> > > in their code, nobody can go beyond their code structure(DNA & RNA).//> > This cannot be right. Knowing that NaCl (Salt) is made up of Na and> > Cl does not help us much in knowing tat NaCl would be salty. There are> > numerous such emergent qualities. Even life itself could be such an> > emergent quality. It is essentially due to the presence of such> > Emergent qualities that Holistic Approach is important. Therefore please> > don't expect that knowing the structure of RNA and DNA will solve all> > problems or that it will help us in predicting all the Health and> > Mental abilities of all the individual human beings - such a belief> > itself is unscientific!> > Love and regards,> > Sreenadh> > > > > > , "msbohra62"> > <msbohra62@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Neelamji,> > >> > > //Let me share some of my views on the topic as I have been playing> > > the dual role, as a scientist and an astrologer, and switching between> > > the two with ease.//> > >> > > As you are scientist and Astrologer,I would like to know your analysis> > > if you have did,DNA & RNA having all the code of Physical and> > > Psychological structure of any human,if you can read their RNA & DNA> > > you can predict confirmatively about their Health and Mental> > > abilities.What characteristics they have and what abilities they have> > > in their code,nobody can go beyond their code structure(DNA & RNA).> > >> > > If we can change the code,we can change the characteristics of that> > > human.As like planetary position of any natal chart.we have observe in> > > many cases the family members are having the some similar position of> > > planets in their respective charts.> > >> > > "We can search the relation of "Born" time planetary position which> > > can reflect the construction of DNA & RNA of that human by this way we> > > can confirm the Astrology is the pure Science."> > >> > > Nine planets in a chart and constituent of DNA & RNA.> > >> > > I would like to know the view of other learned Astrologer of this> > > forum about real relation of Astrology with human and any living> > things.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > >> > > , "neelam gupta"> > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > > >> > > > *Dear All,*> > > >> > > > Let me share some of my views on the topic as I have been playing> > > the dual> > > > role, as a scientist and an astrologer, and switching between the> > > two with> > > > ease.> > > > **> > > >> > > > *In some ways, there is no difference between astrology and science?> > > both> > > > are advancing, moving forward, creative, both are justification of> > > thoughts,> > > > both are about development and both are seeking answers. Both> > systems of> > > > seeking knowledge, *about trying to understand the world, what's in> > it,> > > > what's beyond it.> > > >> > > > *But I would also say astrology is not science and science is not> > > astrology.> > > > I *wish I could coin another acceptable term a subject like> > astrology.> > > >> > > > Both seek the truth, and both lurk in the grey zone between> > > ignorance and> > > > truth. Both start with observation, make a hypothesis/theorem,> > collect> > > > statistical evidence and information to prove it and make it> > > replicable so> > > > that it fits our observation. It all becomes a matter of what we> > > observe.> > > > Both are beliefs, both are half truths? In this sense, there is no> > > > difference and no significant hostility between the astrology and> > > science.> > > >> > > > *But how do we differentiate? The difference springs from our way of> > > > thinking, the way we process information. And they become two> > > independent> > > > systems.*> > > >> > > > One? Global and holistic, an intuitive and simultaneous way of> > > looking at a> > > > whole picture first, and then details. It is like seeing a complete> > > image> > > > and then breaking into jigsaw pieces to see how they fit to make the> > > puzzle.> > > > This gives endless possibilities. That is the art in astrology, to> > > be able> > > > to visualise and then synthesize.> > > >> > > > Two? An analytical and sequential way of processing information by> > > putting> > > > together bits of information and trying to create a whole picture.> > It is> > > > collecting the pieces of zigsaw puzzle and putting them together to> > > see what> > > > they make. This creates only limited possibilities. This is science> > in> > > > astrology, you synthesize and then see what you could make.> > > >> > > > This comes from our working of the right and left hemispheres of the> > > brain.> > > > Both are independent and have different approach of working, yet> > > they are> > > > related and interdependent for certain processes. That is why many> > > people> > > > can switch between them and easily go back and forth between these> > > areas.> > > > Scientists are creative, they must be in order to be effective at> > > scientific> > > > inquiry, and many have music or art or even astrology as hobby. Good> > > artists> > > > are always critically analyzing their work, practicing technically> > > demanding> > > > techniques, and must understand technical concepts such as> > > perspective etc.> > > >> > > > Right brain processing means: Visual, focusing on images, Intuitive,> > > led by> > > > feelings, process ideas simultaneously, 'Mind photos' used to> > things,> > > > remember names rather than faces, see the whole first, then the> > > > details, organisation> > > > tends to be lacking, likely to follow rules without questioning> > them, no> > > > sense of time, enjoy sensory input, enjoy observing, trouble> > > prioritising,> > > > so often late, listen to how something is being said impulsive, etc.> > > >> > > > Left Brain Processing means: Verbal, focusing on words, symbols,> > > Analytical,> > > > led by logic, Process ideas sequentially, step by step, remember> > > things by> > > > writing things down or illustrating them helps them remember words,> > Make> > > > lateral connections from> > > > information, Highly organized, work up to the whole step by step,> > > focusing> > > > on details, information organized, Make logical deductions from> > > information> > > > like making lists and planning, Like to know why you're doing> > > something or> > > > why rules exist (reasons), Good at keeping track of time, Spelling> > and> > > > mathematical formula, Plan ahead, Likely read an instruction manual> > > before,> > > > Listen to what is being said, etc.> > > >> > > > Astrology is more likely to be a right brain child and science more> > > likely> > > > to be a product of left brain. Hence, the difference lies in our> > > approach to> > > > these two fields of learning. The two approaches are different, but> > > there is> > > > a very thin line between the two. Many of us easily switch between> > > the two> > > > approaches in today's times because so called science is more of a> > norm.> > > > This creates unnecessary confusion in our minds. The two types of> > > thinking> > > > need to be complementary. Someone who starts with being a scientist> > > ends up> > > > taking up photography as a career and an artist may be an> > engineering> > > > professional. In fact, the two areas of endeavor are compatible and> > > overlap> > > > in the use of mental skills.> > > >> > > > A mix and match technique could help a learner progress faster in> > > any of the> > > > fields and would ultimately lead to more complete knowledge. When we> > > doing> > > > astrology, we need be able to visualise the whole cosmos (Brahmand)> > > in our> > > > mind (right brain, working from the whole), then search the smaller> > > spheres,> > > > choosing the stars, zodiac, elements, patterns, placing the planets> > in> > > > shadows and highlights (right brain, working on various things> > > > simultaneously), but at the same time be able to look critically at> > > what we> > > > are doing (left brain, being analytical).> > > >> > > > However, the left brain or science approach can deal only with> > limited> > > > probabilities therefore, it makes more sense to the uninitiated and> > > limited> > > > mind. The right brain, for art and astrology throws endless> > > possibilities> > > > and fails to make any sense to a common mind. It leaves such a mind> > more> > > > intrigued than convinced by it. Our ultimate objective is to harness> > the> > > > limitless possibilities the left brain offers.> > > >> > > > I am not getting into the esoteric and metaphysical aspects of this.> > But> > > > hope this would help a little in understanding how the two studies> > > become> > > > different and why different people feel inclined to think> > differently.> > > >> > > > Regards> > > > Neelam> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Respected Sir,

 

You have stated the same, which I observe and wish to communicate with

you learned astrologer,but in you words.

 

The astrology is incomplete,which we are practicing it's require

something else to make it complete.Other factors.as you have stated in

your post are can't be read in a Horoscope(If it can be read,than same

chart will explore the same things and we will not depends on other

factors).Than our astrology depends on other knowledge which are not

known to us clearly.

 

It is my point,we have to search other knowledge which are not in any

written " Granth " .Our great " Rishi-Muni " have passed it verbally to his

pupils,still we don't know it.we have to search it,for that in my view

we have to look in other branches of science.

 

Thanks,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

 

, " panditarjun2004 "

<panditarjun2004 wrote:

>

> dear friend

>

> your query has already been anwered by the learnt friends and hence

> will give only my observation which you may agree or disagree.

>

> the time, date and place (country, house or status) of birth of a

> native is hundred percent dependant on the audited results of the

> karmic balance sheet of the previous birth. generally the broad

> indicators of future occurr on their own for any native till the

> child attains an age of capable of doing fresh good or bad karmas

> whereafter the native has the capacity to post good or bad karmas in

> his balance sheet. the blessings, support, discouragement or curses

> from parents, elders, gurus, sages and gods can change the future of

> a native any which way. each human has the POTENTIAL to impose

> freewill and steer his own life the way he wants but less than one

> percent strive to do it. in extreme rare cases, evil affliction,

> prayogas from others and possession of an evil too wreck havoc with a

> native which is known only on hindsight.

>

> so, it is like each person holding his bank account statement as on

> the date of his birth and whether to post debits or credits into it

> by him, his parents or others has various pull and push drivers.

>

> with best wishes and blessings

> pandit arjun

>

> , " msbohra62 "

> <msbohra62@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pandit Arjunji,

> >

> > I would like to learn from you that " Two person born at the same time

> > in different family,one in rich family and other in poor family,they

> > both of them will have the same fate and abilities?As like that one

> > person born in America other born in India,can you see any

> similarity

> > in both of them?

> >

> > They both are born at the same time and having the same planetary

> > position in the respective chart but we know one is sleeping in

> > expensive bed another in guddadi,why?

> >

> > You will say it's all depends on " Des-Kal and Parishthiti " .But in my

> > view it is an inappropriate answer which makes astrology in myth not

> > in a science.For better acceptance of astrology,we have to search

> the

> > real and authentic answer.We have to link some other factors or

> > branches of science with astrology for right prediction.

> >

> > Here,the Genomes and Cosmic rays comes in pictures.Different Genomes

> > play the role here and all planets rays reflect different

> combination

> > of final effect on the born person in different environment.As like

> > any music,if you play in a cave or in a theater it will sound you in

> > different, where the music is same.

> >

> > Different Genomes in the body and Cosmic rays of planets in

> different

> > environment play the role to response planetary

> > position of native chart,as I think.

> >

> > What is your view,please let me know.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> >

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > <panditarjun2004@> wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friend

> > >

> > > your observation is correct about the system or science of

> medicine

> > > and the way it works. when a person is ill, i advise him to

> consult

> > > a doctor as that science of medicine works 99 percent

> satisfactorily.

> > >

> > > in my observation and understanding, astro-nomy or astro-physics

> is a

> > > science. astro-logy is a derivation of astro-nomy wherein we add

> > > mythological touches, faiths, beliefs and traditions that are

> > > scientifically untenable.

> > >

> > > yet, all religions all over the world believe in the supreme power

> > > who has created this universe, planets and the solar system in

> which

> > > we are living. some religions worship only one diety or one

> supreme

> > > power (god) and we worship various forms of the same power and

> also

> > > resort to various types of mollifications, prayers and worship of

> > > planets and their dieties in various forms. vedas or puranas or

> > > shastras (like bphs) present planets, stars and their lordships or

> > > dieties or forms etc. we imagine their images and do worship or

> > > mollification or various rituals etc. to preclude negative

> > > indications and to enhance positive benefic influences.

> > >

> > > hence, the astrology or jyotish that we learn and practice is

> > > inexplicably intertwined with hindu mythology. yes, we can

> strive to

> > > give scientific reasonings or rationales or logics to answer the

> > > querents on the validity and applicability.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > >

> > > , " revati_n27 "

> > > <revati_n27@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam ji:

> > > >

> > > > I am writing with some apprehension because you are well versed

> in

> > > > both Astrology and Genetics.

> > > >

> > > > I have hard time comparing Bilogical Science to Astrology but I

> > > don't

> > > > mind comparing to Physics or Mathematics (no offense please). I

> > > > always have had hard time imagining a particle in a three

> > > dimensional

> > > > box (from my physical chemistry).

> > > >

> > > > Astrology, as I understand is a pointer to what can possibly

> happen

> > > > in future. To my knowledge, none has stopped anything from

> > > happening.

> > > > For example, Bhishma Pitamaha had learned from the Astrologer

> that

> > > > Dritharastra would be responsible for the distruction of the

> > > Dynasty

> > > > but having all the powers he possessed he could not do anything

> but

> > > a

> > > > mere witness.

> > > >

> > > > However, if you look into medical science the story is

> different.

> > > We

> > > > know only 1 % of the human genome, but with that little

> knowledge a

> > > > tremendous progress is obvious. The more we conquer the diverse

> > > the

> > > > diseases get, but still step by step we are climbing up there.

> I

> > > > don't know how much I can elaborate on the subject, it might get

> > > > boring. I meant to say that we can pinpoint the causes of

> diseases

> > > > and can either prevent by vaccines or do the treatment to cure

> the

> > > > same as a result of the research in the relevent field.

> > > >

> > > > Jaya

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,

 

Thanks,you have explain in very simple manner.

 

My point of view is,we are missing something very powerful knowledge

about astrology which are not written any where.That knowledge,our

great " Rishi-Muni " have passed verbally to his capable pupils,which we

have to search.As per my view all systems of astrology are

incomplete,as we have presently.We have to look other factors(As you

have stated for example) along with the Horoscope,as native

background, for comes to right predication.When only Horoscope comes

to us we predict common predication as per planetary combinations of

chart.We looks for other conformational hint(As we predict and asked

for confirmation from native) for the right predication.

 

We refer

" Bhrgushinth " , " Jatakshintha " , " Jemanishutram " , " Sarawali " ,Maanshagri " , " Jatak-Parij\

at " , " Vrahad

Parasar " ,'Chamatkar Chintamani " , " Uttar kalamrit " , " Phaldeepika "

, " Purans " . " Vedas " and " Ismriti " these granth are our base for

astrological rules and knowledge.

 

Our Grest " Rishi's " have kept the real knowledge within the some group

and that knowledge passed to other by only verbally,which we don't

know.As like " Puspak-viman,so many arms which were used in

" Mahabharat " , " Ramayan " and sangram of " Devi " as in " Durgasapsati " .We

have read all but does not know how they make it?Many 'Rishi-Muni "

kept the knowledge as like,if they seen a person they comes to know

the all background of him not present birth,even so many past birth

history of that person.What was the power or knowledge they have?

 

In today time period,we are just as " Chuha haldi ki gaath(piece)pa kar

apne ko pansari(Shopkeeper) smajne lagta hai " .I mean to say we are no

where as per the knowledge of our forefathers.They have kept really so

many knowledge of this universe and living being.

 

As I am a student of science and Philosophy,my mind imagine so many

possibilities and try to link my thoughts with available

knowledge.Many times it become complicated which not gives right

answer to me,than I look to others for direction.When I read this

topic's title,I have put my view for guideline from learned astrologer

of this forum.

 

Neelamji have already worked on this topic but there is no any

conclusion to link Genomes with astrology.In future we will try to

make astrological aspects in genomes,I am sure about it.This time is

so early because of our narrow knowledge about it.

 

Thanks,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

 

, " Bhaskar "

<rajiventerprises wrote:

>

>

> Dear Bohra ji,

>

> The status of society and the family where one is born in, also plays an

> imposrtant role in ones rise in Life, be it academical or professional

> or financial.

>

> Notice that even big industrialists, Corporate Owners, Karodpatis,

> Liftmen , or servants, or ordinary subordinates have a good fate Line (

> kismat rekha ) in their palms, which may be apparently same in most of

> these palms. But one would be having millions, the other lakhs, and the

> other still only thousands in his kitty.

>

> Rise all of them may have, due to their good fate lines, but that rise

> would be in consonance with the family, class and culture or strata of

> socety, where they have been born.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

, " msbohra62 "

> <msbohra62@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Pandit Arjunji,

> >

> > I would like to learn from you that " Two person born at the same time

> > in different family,one in rich family and other in poor family,they

> > both of them will have the same fate and abilities?As like that one

> > person born in America other born in India,can you see any similarity

> > in both of them?

> >

> > They both are born at the same time and having the same planetary

> > position in the respective chart but we know one is sleeping in

> > expensive bed another in guddadi,why?

> >

> > You will say it's all depends on " Des-Kal and Parishthiti " .But in my

> > view it is an inappropriate answer which makes astrology in myth not

> > in a science.For better acceptance of astrology,we have to search the

> > real and authentic answer.We have to link some other factors or

> > branches of science with astrology for right prediction.

> >

> > Here,the Genomes and Cosmic rays comes in pictures.Different Genomes

> > play the role here and all planets rays reflect different combination

> > of final effect on the born person in different environment.As like

> > any music,if you play in a cave or in a theater it will sound you in

> > different, where the music is same.

> >

> > Different Genomes in the body and Cosmic rays of planets in different

> > environment play the role to response planetary

> > position of native chart,as I think.

> >

> > What is your view,please let me know.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> >

> > , " panditarjun2004 "

> > panditarjun2004@ wrote:

> > >

> > > dear friend

> > >

> > > your observation is correct about the system or science of medicine

> > > and the way it works. when a person is ill, i advise him to consult

> > > a doctor as that science of medicine works 99 percent

> satisfactorily.

> > >

> > > in my observation and understanding, astro-nomy or astro-physics is

> a

> > > science. astro-logy is a derivation of astro-nomy wherein we add

> > > mythological touches, faiths, beliefs and traditions that are

> > > scientifically untenable.

> > >

> > > yet, all religions all over the world believe in the supreme power

> > > who has created this universe, planets and the solar system in which

> > > we are living. some religions worship only one diety or one supreme

> > > power (god) and we worship various forms of the same power and also

> > > resort to various types of mollifications, prayers and worship of

> > > planets and their dieties in various forms. vedas or puranas or

> > > shastras (like bphs) present planets, stars and their lordships or

> > > dieties or forms etc. we imagine their images and do worship or

> > > mollification or various rituals etc. to preclude negative

> > > indications and to enhance positive benefic influences.

> > >

> > > hence, the astrology or jyotish that we learn and practice is

> > > inexplicably intertwined with hindu mythology. yes, we can strive to

> > > give scientific reasonings or rationales or logics to answer the

> > > querents on the validity and applicability.

> > >

> > > with best wishes and blessings

> > > pandit arjun

> > >

> > > , " revati_n27 "

> > > <revati_n27@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelam ji:

> > > >

> > > > I am writing with some apprehension because you are well versed in

> > > > both Astrology and Genetics.

> > > >

> > > > I have hard time comparing Bilogical Science to Astrology but I

> > > don't

> > > > mind comparing to Physics or Mathematics (no offense please). I

> > > > always have had hard time imagining a particle in a three

> > > dimensional

> > > > box (from my physical chemistry).

> > > >

> > > > Astrology, as I understand is a pointer to what can possibly

> happen

> > > > in future. To my knowledge, none has stopped anything from

> > > happening.

> > > > For example, Bhishma Pitamaha had learned from the Astrologer that

> > > > Dritharastra would be responsible for the distruction of the

> > > Dynasty

> > > > but having all the powers he possessed he could not do anything

> but

> > > a

> > > > mere witness.

> > > >

> > > > However, if you look into medical science the story is different.

> > > We

> > > > know only 1 % of the human genome, but with that little knowledge

> a

> > > > tremendous progress is obvious. The more we conquer the diverse

> > > the

> > > > diseases get, but still step by step we are climbing up there. I

> > > > don't know how much I can elaborate on the subject, it might get

> > > > boring. I meant to say that we can pinpoint the causes of diseases

> > > > and can either prevent by vaccines or do the treatment to cure the

> > > > same as a result of the research in the relevent field.

> > > >

> > > > Jaya

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jaya ji,

//Astrology, as I

understand is a pointer to what can possibly happen in future. To my knowledge,

none has stopped anything from happening.////We know only 1% of

the human genome, but with that little knowledge a tremendous progress is

obvious. The more we conquer the diverse the diseases get, but still step by

step we are climbing up there.//

'ZOOMING OUT' and 'ZOOMING

IN' in time and space with high power focals could've given us an answer. What

we see as tremendous progress and step by step climbing might be nothing as

compared to what mankind had achieved and lost. We do not understand where we

are on the roller coaster of cosmic cycle and where we are heading. The more we

conquer, beyond we appear from the reality…

Queen Gandhari of Mahabharat had pregnancy

problems. She was treated by a sage and after 2 years bore a pind (ball of

flesh) which was then handed the sage. He divided this pind into 100 parts and

treated them with some process and put each part into a sealed cooling unit for

2 years after which 100 male babies were created. Doesn't that tell us that

they knew cloning!! There is also mention of many other medical marvels.

Ancient texts show us

that engineering, genetic engineering, lasers, nuclear weapons, directed energy

weapons, television, holograms, cloning, scanning, air force tactics, alloy

fabrication, electricity, solar electricity, inertia propulsion were all in

advanced stages of study and application.

Astrology was never

meant to prevent something from happening. It was meant to understand life in totality and worked only

as a guide for man to live happily. If it indicated a difficulty in begetting a

child, may be medicine man could help. All ancient physicians had the knowledge

of astrology also. That is why Vedas promoted a holistic knowledge.

Knowledge is one

whole. Subjects and studies are

our categorisation and classifications to suit our understanding and mental

faculties. The subjects can change their definitions or merge into each other

from time to time. What was biology some years back is now divided into bio-physics,

biochemistry, genetic-engineering, bio-medicine, etc. Everything is complete in

itself and yet everything is a part of big whole.

We exist in time and

space, both dynamic. Normally,

we are more in physical touch with space and time is the dimension which we do

not and cannot fathom out with our limited faculties. The origin of this time

and space has always been debatable as expounded in all branches of knowledge

from religious to mythological, from theosophical to philosophical and from

physical to metaphysical. Our ancient texts describe it as an eternal Maya of

Brahma.

Life is in an ever

changing state in the cosmic cycle. The cycle begins with pure consciousness, the basic material

existence and when helped by the operative principle i.e prakriti creates

differences in the manifestations by its three gunas and five tatwas evolve which

give rise to all that we can percieve, including ourselves. In the second half

of this cycle the matter is dissolved back into pure consciousness. It is governed

by the cosmic mind and which influences the individual mind as well as the

collective mindset at any particular moment.

Things happen as and

when time is ripe for them to happen. The image exists on cosmic mind and is then transferred to

the individual mind. The whole humanity gets a thrust accordingly. When there

is time to discover something, we witness many contemporary scholars working on

that. That is how social changes arise. That is how why see the spirituality on

rise in Satyug and criminal tendencies in Kalyug.

All things exist in

the 'chitta' of the cosmic mind

and the material world said to be a thought projection of the cosmic

consciousness. Modern science is slowly moving towards this concept as physicist

Sir James Jean said, " the stream of knowledge is heading towards a

non-mechanical reality; the universe begins to look more like a great thought

than like a great machine. " RegardsNeelam

2008/11/13 revati_n27 <revati_n27

 

 

 

 

Dear Neelam ji:

 

I am writing with some apprehension because you are well versed in

both Astrology and Genetics.

 

I have hard time comparing Bilogical Science to Astrology but I don't

mind comparing to Physics or Mathematics (no offense please). I

always have had hard time imagining a particle in a three dimensional

box (from my physical chemistry).

 

Astrology, as I understand is a pointer to what can possibly happen

in future. To my knowledge, none has stopped anything from happening.

For example, Bhishma Pitamaha had learned from the Astrologer that

Dritharastra would be responsible for the distruction of the Dynasty

but having all the powers he possessed he could not do anything but a

mere witness.

 

However, if you look into medical science the story is different. We

know only 1 % of the human genome, but with that little knowledge a

tremendous progress is obvious. The more we conquer the diverse the

diseases get, but still step by step we are climbing up there. I

don't know how much I can elaborate on the subject, it might get

boring. I meant to say that we can pinpoint the causes of diseases

and can either prevent by vaccines or do the treatment to cure the

same as a result of the research in the relevent field.

 

Jaya

 

 

.

[Guest guest]

Dear Bohra ji,

I dont know what one means by Genomes, and have no time to learn on such topics. All I know is that astrology and remedial measres are all linked to something in the cells of every human body.

For instance in every family certain traits are always found to be common in all generations in that family. For instance, all children may be short and not tall, the daughters die young, the men folk like to eat a particular thing very much, etc. Now where does this common matter in all the generations of this family remain ? They of course remain in the cells. Now what you call as DNSA structure or some what other terms for these, i dont know all this, but I know this much that every cell of a new born in that family will contain the same characteristic or peculiarity running in that family ( Till the peculiarity is located and it is rectified ) . If this peculiarity is good, then it will be a "Aashirwaad" on that familys ancestors shown as Raj Yogas in ever generation through the males members Horoscopes ( Tata Birla Families ) or if it some misfortune occuring everytime in every generation then it would be the curse of somebody on that family ( Wife dying young in Sunil Dutts case and Sunjay Dutts case ) or on ancestors which also will be shown in every chart through Rahu position, Eclipse, Pitru Doshas, or retrogressions .

 

The astrological manifestaion in physical body in the cells, vis a vis the Janma Kundli, is a definite matter, and cannot be questioned. because we cannot bifercate these, does not mean that its not there.

 

You are right that we are missing something. I will tell you most of us are missing most of the things. Our knowledge is limited, but astrological knowledge is limitless.

 

best wshes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "msbohra62" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji,> > Thanks,you have explain in very simple manner.> > My point of view is,we are missing something very powerful knowledge> about astrology which are not written any where.That knowledge,our> great "Rishi-Muni" have passed verbally to his capable pupils,which we> have to search.As per my view all systems of astrology are> incomplete,as we have presently.We have to look other factors(As you> have stated for example) along with the Horoscope,as native> background, for comes to right predication.When only Horoscope comes> to us we predict common predication as per planetary combinations of> chart.We looks for other conformational hint(As we predict and asked> for confirmation from native) for the right predication.> > We refer> "Bhrgushinth","Jatakshintha","Jemanishutram","Sarawali",Maanshagri","Jatak-Parijat","Vrahad> Parasar",'Chamatkar Chintamani","Uttar kalamrit","Phaldeepika"> ,"Purans"."Vedas" and "Ismriti" these granth are our base for> astrological rules and knowledge.> > Our Grest "Rishi's" have kept the real knowledge within the some group> and that knowledge passed to other by only verbally,which we don't> know.As like "Puspak-viman,so many arms which were used in> "Mahabharat","Ramayan"and sangram of "Devi" as in "Durgasapsati".We> have read all but does not know how they make it?Many 'Rishi-Muni"> kept the knowledge as like,if they seen a person they comes to know> the all background of him not present birth,even so many past birth> history of that person.What was the power or knowledge they have?> > In today time period,we are just as "Chuha haldi ki gaath(piece)pa kar> apne ko pansari(Shopkeeper) smajne lagta hai".I mean to say we are no> where as per the knowledge of our forefathers.They have kept really so> many knowledge of this universe and living being.> > As I am a student of science and Philosophy,my mind imagine so many> possibilities and try to link my thoughts with available> knowledge.Many times it become complicated which not gives right> answer to me,than I look to others for direction.When I read this> topic's title,I have put my view for guideline from learned astrologer> of this forum.> > Neelamji have already worked on this topic but there is no any> conclusion to link Genomes with astrology.In future we will try to> make astrological aspects in genomes,I am sure about it.This time is> so early because of our narrow knowledge about it.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra> > > , "Bhaskar"> rajiventerprises@ wrote:> >> > > > Dear Bohra ji,> > > > The status of society and the family where one is born in, also plays an> > imposrtant role in ones rise in Life, be it academical or professional> > or financial.> > > > Notice that even big industrialists, Corporate Owners, Karodpatis,> > Liftmen , or servants, or ordinary subordinates have a good fate Line (> > kismat rekha ) in their palms, which may be apparently same in most of> > these palms. But one would be having millions, the other lakhs, and the> > other still only thousands in his kitty.> > > > Rise all of them may have, due to their good fate lines, but that rise> > would be in consonance with the family, class and culture or strata of> > socety, where they have been born.> > > > best wishes,> > > > Bhaskar.> > > > > > > > > > > > > > , "msbohra62"> > <msbohra62@> wrote:> > >> > > Dear Pandit Arjunji,> > >> > > I would like to learn from you that"Two person born at the same time> > > in different family,one in rich family and other in poor family,they> > > both of them will have the same fate and abilities?As like that one> > > person born in America other born in India,can you see any similarity> > > in both of them?> > >> > > They both are born at the same time and having the same planetary> > > position in the respective chart but we know one is sleeping in> > > expensive bed another in guddadi,why?> > >> > > You will say it's all depends on "Des-Kal and Parishthiti".But in my> > > view it is an inappropriate answer which makes astrology in myth not> > > in a science.For better acceptance of astrology,we have to search the> > > real and authentic answer.We have to link some other factors or> > > branches of science with astrology for right prediction.> > >> > > Here,the Genomes and Cosmic rays comes in pictures.Different Genomes> > > play the role here and all planets rays reflect different combination> > > of final effect on the born person in different environment.As like> > > any music,if you play in a cave or in a theater it will sound you in> > > different, where the music is same.> > >> > > Different Genomes in the body and Cosmic rays of planets in different> > > environment play the role to response planetary> > > position of native chart,as I think.> > >> > > What is your view,please let me know.> > >> > > Thanks,> > >> > > M.S.Bohra> > >> > >> > > , "panditarjun2004"> > > panditarjun2004@ wrote:> > > >> > > > dear friend> > > >> > > > your observation is correct about the system or science of medicine> > > > and the way it works. when a person is ill, i advise him to consult> > > > a doctor as that science of medicine works 99 percent> > satisfactorily.> > > >> > > > in my observation and understanding, astro-nomy or astro-physics is> > a> > > > science. astro-logy is a derivation of astro-nomy wherein we add> > > > mythological touches, faiths, beliefs and traditions that are> > > > scientifically untenable.> > > >> > > > yet, all religions all over the world believe in the supreme power> > > > who has created this universe, planets and the solar system in which> > > > we are living. some religions worship only one diety or one supreme> > > > power (god) and we worship various forms of the same power and also> > > > resort to various types of mollifications, prayers and worship of> > > > planets and their dieties in various forms. vedas or puranas or> > > > shastras (like bphs) present planets, stars and their lordships or> > > > dieties or forms etc. we imagine their images and do worship or> > > > mollification or various rituals etc. to preclude negative> > > > indications and to enhance positive benefic influences.> > > >> > > > hence, the astrology or jyotish that we learn and practice is> > > > inexplicably intertwined with hindu mythology. yes, we can strive to> > > > give scientific reasonings or rationales or logics to answer the> > > > querents on the validity and applicability.> > > >> > > > with best wishes and blessings> > > > pandit arjun> > > >> > > > , "revati_n27"> > > > <revati_n27@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Dear Neelam ji:> > > > >> > > > > I am writing with some apprehension because you are well versed in> > > > > both Astrology and Genetics.> > > > >> > > > > I have hard time comparing Bilogical Science to Astrology but I> > > > don't> > > > > mind comparing to Physics or Mathematics (no offense please). I> > > > > always have had hard time imagining a particle in a three> > > > dimensional> > > > > box (from my physical chemistry).> > > > >> > > > > Astrology, as I understand is a pointer to what can possibly> > happen> > > > > in future. To my knowledge, none has stopped anything from> > > > happening.> > > > > For example, Bhishma Pitamaha had learned from the Astrologer that> > > > > Dritharastra would be responsible for the distruction of the> > > > Dynasty> > > > > but having all the powers he possessed he could not do anything> > but> > > > a> > > > > mere witness.> > > > >> > > > > However, if you look into medical science the story is different.> > > > We> > > > > know only 1 % of the human genome, but with that little knowledge> > a> > > > > tremendous progress is obvious. The more we conquer the diverse> > > > the> > > > > diseases get, but still step by step we are climbing up there. I> > > > > don't know how much I can elaborate on the subject, it might get> > > > > boring. I meant to say that we can pinpoint the causes of diseases> > > > > and can either prevent by vaccines or do the treatment to cure the> > > > > same as a result of the research in the relevent field.> > > > >> > > > > Jaya> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bohra ji and group,//Neelamji have already worked on this topic but there is no any conclusion to link Genomes with astrology. In future we will try to make astrological aspects in genomes, I am sure about it. This time is so early because of our narrow knowledge about it.//

Heredity and genetics can be traced through astrology. The charts show that destinies are interlinked and family horoscopes show common features. We have indications that hereditary factors are present in the charts. We know that a person's chart is like his blueprint which should depict his physical traits, his psyche, his behaviour etc, apart from the future and life events. We know that all that is contained in the capsule form in a cell can also be seen in the chart. But we only know. All this we have known forever, but astrology as study being unlimited, and never having been taken up like serious scientific researches with proper human resources and monetary allocations, remained shrouded in mystery. We do not have much experimental and empirical evidence to prove these statements, except saying "we also notice what our ancient texts have said".

Genetics has been on the scene for a long time but remained obscure and not of much application to mankind till the discovery of genome which seemed to open up unlimited avenues for human mind to play its tricks on nature. But nature being nature, does not tolerate to any interference with its laws and crushes any such attempt unless it is backed by a pure humanitarian purpose. So genome lies almost at the same stage and till now we have not been able make much headway to put it to any good use, except talking big about it. If at all, whenever we've tried to use genetically modified species, with plants or animals, results have been disastrous.

Both are independent systems and one would not be able to say if mars is at 10 deg in virgo aspected by rahu at 5 degrees then gene marker XXXX would be suppressed in the genome or vice versa, if that is what you mean by creating astrological aspects in genomes. The possibility of such combinations will be virtually infinite. One can only conclude if there is affliction in the chart, there is bound to be a problem in the genome also… obviously if both the studies are to be believed. With the best of advancements, we may not be able to create any union or linkage between genome with astrology, except in understanding that are two ways to approach the same thing, i.e. to know about a person and help him live a better life on an optimistic note. Our knowledge in both the areas is very limited and gap is unlimited. The object of study is complex human life. One would need Brahma to dictate the permutations and combinations to create such specific linkages.

If the massive effort of decoding of genome is successful, the wonder by product could be a knowledge which may be used to know the future life of a native, something to be called 'genetic astrology.' Or if we can make strides in astrology so as to prove it as scientifically valid, as the existence of genome, we may again call it 'genetic astrology'.

This is only where I see any convergence, otherwise they will remain parallel systems. Comparable yet not linkable.I hope it helps.RegardsNeelam

[Guest guest]

Dear Neelamji,

 

You have worked in Genetic subject and you are scientist,you are

telling as :-

 

//One would need Brahma to dictate the permutations and combinations

to create such specific linkages.//

 

Before the all invention common person says like that.At the beginning

every great thing seems as difficult as you feel presently.Once Nobody

imagine to fly in the air,now we Indian have send our equipments on

the land of Moon.American have touch the Mars.So there is no limit of

human brain,it will achieve in the near future.

 

Lord Krishna have said " Sara bramand mujme hai or sare bramand me mai

hu " .It is not simple statement in " Gita " .Just think as like this " All

universe in me " ,every thing in universe is in you, in a form of narrow

copy of it.We have all the advance equipments but we are not near by

of our forefather's knowledge.We are still just learning,what they

have did thousands year ago.

 

We should keep open our mind,don't make any particular limits

himself.If we have to courage to search or think to search,we will not

take any steps toward it.Searching is continuous process,gradually we

fill the gaps.

 

Definiatly as like you,who have the good knowledge of both branches

can contribute unlimited as you will do your efforts toward this search.

 

So please say always positive for further development,which will

encourage others.

 

Thanks,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

 

 

, " neelam gupta "

<neelamgupta07 wrote:

>

> Dear Bohra ji and group,

>

> //Neelamji have already worked on this topic but there is no any

conclusion

> to link Genomes with astrology. In future we will try to make

astrological

> aspects in genomes, I am sure about it. This time is so early

because of our

> narrow knowledge about it.//

>

> Heredity and genetics can be traced through astrology. The charts

show that

> destinies are interlinked and family horoscopes show common features. We

> have indications that hereditary factors are present in the charts.

We know

> that a person's chart is like his blueprint which should depict his

physical

> traits, his psyche, his behaviour etc, apart from the future and life

> events. We know that all that is contained in the capsule form in a

cell can

> also be seen in the chart. But we only know. All this we have known

forever,

> but astrology as study being unlimited, and never having been taken

up like

> serious scientific researches with proper human resources and monetary

> allocations, remained shrouded in mystery. We do not have much

experimental

> and empirical evidence to prove these statements, except saying " we also

> notice what our ancient texts have said " .

>

> Genetics has been on the scene for a long time but remained obscure

and not

> of much application to mankind till the discovery of genome which

seemed to

> open up unlimited avenues for human mind to play its tricks on

nature. But

> nature being nature, does not tolerate to any interference with its

laws and

> crushes any such attempt unless it is backed by a pure humanitarian

purpose.

> So genome lies almost at the same stage and till now we have not

been able

> make much headway to put it to any good use, except talking big

about it. If

> at all, whenever we've tried to use genetically modified species, with

> plants or animals, results have been disastrous.

>

> Both are independent systems and one would not be able to say if

mars is at

> 10 deg in virgo aspected by rahu at 5 degrees then gene marker XXXX

would be

> suppressed in the genome or vice versa, if that is what you mean by

creating

> astrological aspects in genomes. The possibility of such

combinations will

> be virtually infinite. One can only conclude if there is affliction

in the

> chart, there is bound to be a problem in the genome also… obviously

if both

> the studies are to be believed. With the best of advancements, we

may not be

> able to create any union or linkage between genome with astrology,

except in

> understanding that are two ways to approach the same thing, i.e. to know

> about a person and help him live a better life on an optimistic

note. Our

> knowledge in both the areas is very limited and gap is unlimited.

The object

> of study is complex human life. *One would need Brahma to dictate the

> permutations and combinations to create such specific linkages.*

>

> If the massive effort of decoding of genome is successful, the wonder by

> product could be a knowledge which may be used to know the future

life of a

> native, something to be called 'genetic astrology.' Or if we can make

> strides in astrology so as to prove it as scientifically valid, as the

> existence of genome, we may again call it 'genetic astrology'.

>

> This is only where I see any convergence, otherwise they will remain

> parallel systems. Comparable yet not linkable.

>

> I hope it helps.

>

> Regards

> Neelam

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,

 

My grandfather is very good Astrologer,he practice 'Shandhya' three

times a day regularly.In my childhood I have seen him to making so

many hand position at the time of doing 'Shandhya'.That time I cold

not understand the his act.I have lost him in my childhood,so could

not get the opportunity to learn Astrology or other lesson from him.My

father have not learn the astrology.But I have develop my interest for

astrology,it may be Genomes or planetary contribution.

 

My grandfather's father was only son,my grandfather was only son,my

father was only son.But we are two brother,my younger brother have

adopted by my aunt(Moshi),I am again only son of my family.Many times

I think about it,if my aunt have not adopted my brother,what will be

happened?

 

So many similarity in the chart of family (Blood)members direct link

to the Genomes of family.

 

Whenever you have the time or in journey, for kill the time by

thinking on this subject will contribute more for astrology.

 

Yours " Dubai " post is really a mirror to them,who are eager to fly for

Dubai.

 

Thanks,

 

M.S.Bohra

[Guest guest]

Dear Bohra ji,

Science has already proved few months back, that whatever traits are there in the grandfather, are passed onto the grandsone. I saw a 1 hour TV progrmme on this, all science stuff. This keeps repeating. probably unconsciously which is why the Grandafthers lover their grandsons more than their sons, or Fathers behave little tough with their own sons because they see the shadow of their own father in their sons.

Most of us now realise that we could have enjoyed more had we sat down some more with our grandparents when we wer younger, but we were so bust that time ( and stil are ), that this knowledge and realisation comes late when they are gone.

Our Life of today ispacked with 100's of targets to be completed in a day that we dont have tme to do research work, nay, we dont even have time to notice similiarties in charts of the same family, but if we pause to notice, the we would be sure to find these. Even palms have smiliriaties. My wife has 2 sisters, and all the three have a big gap in their Life line between the age of 30-45. This is morethan a inch gap strikingly noticeable which ionly pointed out to them, after i got married. But studying chart is not holding hands.........

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

, "msbohra62" <msbohra62 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskarji,> > My grandfather is very good Astrologer,he practice 'Shandhya' three> times a day regularly.In my childhood I have seen him to making so> many hand position at the time of doing 'Shandhya'.That time I cold> not understand the his act.I have lost him in my childhood,so could> not get the opportunity to learn Astrology or other lesson from him.My> father have not learn the astrology.But I have develop my interest for> astrology,it may be Genomes or planetary contribution.> > My grandfather's father was only son,my grandfather was only son,my> father was only son.But we are two brother,my younger brother have> adopted by my aunt(Moshi),I am again only son of my family.Many times> I think about it,if my aunt have not adopted my brother,what will be> happened?> > So many similarity in the chart of family (Blood)members direct link> to the Genomes of family.> > Whenever you have the time or in journey, for kill the time by> thinking on this subject will contribute more for astrology.> > Yours "Dubai" post is really a mirror to them,who are eager to fly for> Dubai.> > Thanks,> > M.S.Bohra>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,

 

Really you have written very interesting line,as :-

 

//Fathers behave little tough with their own sons because they see the

shadow of their own father in their sons. //

 

It is absolutely true,might be some feeling of jealous that his father

have not given that love to him.

 

I have notice some friend have only daughters,they have no any blood

relation.But might be astrological relation.Some have one son after

two daughter as like me,my some relative have same combinations.In my

street we have 10 houses, in 7 house present generation have two

daughter(Elder son of family),who have stopped after two daughter.

 

In some cases I have observe who live with parents have only

daughters,who live separately have son.My one aunt(Bhuaji) have five

sons and each son have two sons,only one have one daughter.Aunt's

husband were five brothers.So many similarities we found surrounding

us,what are astrological reason we have to analyse.

 

Nature gives all the indications but we are unable to understand it.If

we can develop to learn the communication with the Nature we can

predict without the chart or knowledge of astrology.

 

Thanks,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

 

 

 

 

, " Bhaskar "

<rajiventerprises wrote:

>

>

> Dear Bohra ji,

>

> Science has already proved few months back, that whatever traits are

> there in the grandfather, are passed onto the grandsone. I saw a 1 hour

> TV progrmme on this, all science stuff. This keeps repeating. probably

> unconsciously which is why the Grandafthers lover their grandsons more

> than their sons, or Fathers behave little tough with their own sons

> because they see the shadow of their own father in their sons.

>

> Most of us now realise that we could have enjoyed more had we sat down

> some more with our grandparents when we wer younger, but we were so bust

> that time ( and stil are ), that this knowledge and realisation comes

> late when they are gone.

>

> Our Life of today ispacked with 100's of targets to be completed in a

> day that we dont have tme to do research work, nay, we dont even have

> time to notice similiarties in charts of the same family, but if we

> pause to notice, the we would be sure to find these. Even palms have

> smiliriaties. My wife has 2 sisters, and all the three have a big gap in

> their Life line between the age of 30-45. This is morethan a inch gap

> strikingly noticeable which ionly pointed out to them, after i got

> married. But studying chart is not holding hands.........

>

> best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

, " msbohra62 "

> <msbohra62@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji,

> >

> > My grandfather is very good Astrologer,he practice 'Shandhya' three

> > times a day regularly.In my childhood I have seen him to making so

> > many hand position at the time of doing 'Shandhya'.That time I cold

> > not understand the his act.I have lost him in my childhood,so could

> > not get the opportunity to learn Astrology or other lesson from him.My

> > father have not learn the astrology.But I have develop my interest for

> > astrology,it may be Genomes or planetary contribution.

> >

> > My grandfather's father was only son,my grandfather was only son,my

> > father was only son.But we are two brother,my younger brother have

> > adopted by my aunt(Moshi),I am again only son of my family.Many times

> > I think about it,if my aunt have not adopted my brother,what will be

> > happened?

> >

> > So many similarity in the chart of family (Blood)members direct link

> > to the Genomes of family.

> >

> > Whenever you have the time or in journey, for kill the time by

> > thinking on this subject will contribute more for astrology.

> >

> > Yours " Dubai " post is really a mirror to them,who are eager to fly for

> > Dubai.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bhaskarji,There is a belief that the forefathers take birth in the family. This may explain some of the the similarities.Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Fri, 11/14/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote:Bhaskar <rajiventerprises Re: Astrology is a Science Date: Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:25 AM

 

Dear Bohra ji,

Science has already proved few months back, that whatever traits are there in the grandfather, are passed onto the grandsone. I saw a 1 hour TV progrmme on this, all science stuff. This keeps repeating. probably unconsciously which is why the Grandafthers lover their grandsons more than their sons, or Fathers behave little tough with their own sons because they see the shadow of their own father in their sons.

Most of us now realise that we could have enjoyed more had we sat down some more with our grandparents when we wer younger, but we were so bust that time ( and stil are ), that this knowledge and realisation comes late when they are gone.

Our Life of today ispacked with 100's of targets to be completed in a day that we dont have tme to do research work, nay, we dont even have time to notice similiarties in charts of the same family, but if we pause to notice, the we would be sure to find these. Even palms have smiliriaties. My wife has 2 sisters, and all the three have a big gap in their Life line between the age of 30-45. This is morethan a inch gap strikingly noticeable which ionly pointed out to them, after i got married. But studying chart is not holding hands....... ..

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

 

 

[Guest guest]

" ,Dear Sreenadhji,

 

This topic have wide scope to discuss which will helpful to learn more

about astrological base.

 

// * It is NOT the DNA/RNA structure or chemical nature that

determines everything - there could be numerous other factors, such as

the ENVIRONMENTAL INFLUENCE.

* Knowing the DNA/RNA structure or chemical properties usually DOES

NOT help us much in knowing the EMERGENT QUOLITIES that depends on

various other parameters as well.//

 

I agreed the chemical properties or planetary combination are not

deciding factor for certain final product.But without hydrogen or

Oxygen,you can't get H2O(water).What ever final product as like

Solid.liquid or Gas it's depends on other factors(Temperature).Basic

is Water(H2O),other are forms of Water.Without basic you can't get

others form,right!

 

As like Yoga of " Gajkesari " ,Jupiter and Moon separately can't be able

to give this yoga or as like you have stated " Na is not salty " and " Cl

is not salty " .When both comes as a bound they become a Yoga and salty

respectively.

 

DNA and RNA :-These are basics of deciding factor of human body,as

little we know about these presently.They comes to us from our so many

forefathers, from father side and mother side.We can say,we have all

program it's depend on which file will be open for us.Again what

chemical reaction will take place or which genomes will active for

final product it's depends on others factors(Environment).

 

For prediction as right as test in lab.We have to see the chart as we

are having the basic cell(Genomes coded cell) in our hand,now we try

to predict all possibilities of final product.What ever environment is

require we can see in chart as planetary position(Which genomes will

be active) and MD-AD-PD-SD-Pran Dasa of natal.In my view Nakshatra

will be helpful to decide the particular environment at the particular

time.We have to develop this knowledge by searching the connection

between Genomes and Astrology.As like farmer knows that better crop

will comes or worse will comes.Seed(Genomes) quality and

environment(Dasa and Nakshatra result)will decide the final product.

 

It's all sound complicated,but when you will think in peace you will

get new era.

 

As today's astrology we know the seeds(Genomes)as native's chart(The

basics)but we are not sure for final product which depends on other

factors (Environment).As Bhaskarji stated in his post that " Fate line

are same in the hands of Crorepati,Middle Class and poor person but

facts are different as they comes from different background.I will

say " we have to search the reason for same fate line with different

result.We forget the shape of palms,hardness of palms,color of

palms,construction of palms other negative factors of palms.This is

require to search for real predication.

 

We have to search to know this environment perfectly for perfectly

predication.Than we can prove astrology is pure science not game of

possibility.

 

You have stated that // " To an extend Physical properties depends on

chemical properties; but it is also true that Chemical properties

depends on physical properties " //

 

It is fact,so alone astrology is not perfect.We have to search the

links among the all branches of science with astrology.It is my point

and I have take this opportunity to express my view in this topic.

 

I request to all learned astrologer to please just try to search on

this wavelength.Every practical teach us some new reactions.

 

Thanks,

 

M.S.Bohra

 

 

 

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

>

> Dear Bohra ji,

> * Na is not salty.

> * Cl is not salty

> * But NaCl is salty, and this saltiness in an emergent quality.

> * It is not true to think that ALL physical properties depend on

> chemical properties or vice versa. For example, Hydrogen does not have

> the qualities of Water, Oxygen does not have the qualities of water,

> Unlike Hydrogen and Oxygen H2O is usually a liquid, Whether H2O will

> exist as a solid-liquid-gas too is not depended on its chemical

> components but on the factors like the surrounding temperature

> (environment).

> So the point I wanted to make was - }

> * It is NOT the DNA/RNA structure or chemical natrue that determines

> everything - there could be numerous other factors, such as the

> ENVIRONMENTAL INFLUENCE.

> * Knowing the DNA/RNA structure or chemical properties usually DOES

> NOT help us much in knowing the EMERGENT QUOLITIES that depends on

> various other parameters as well.

> Hope you see the point I was trying to make.

> Please note one more point that could be useful : To an extend

> Physical properties depends on chemical properties; but it is also true

> that Chemical properties depends on physical properties such as

> structure and arrangement (of electrons, protons, atoms, bonds,

> sub-atomic particles or whatever). Going to subtlety - we may even loss

> the distinction between physical and chemical. This understanding and

> perspective seems to be much important.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " msbohra62 "

> <msbohra62@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadhji,

> >

> > It is sorry to say you have coded wrong example with wrong theory.

> >

> > You know very well NaCl is salty.can you taste NaoH?

> >

> > what is the difference between both?,When Na+ bound with Cl- it's

> > become NaCl and when Na+ bound with OH- it will become NaoH.

> >

> > The Chemical reaction is as below :-

> > NaoH + HCl -> NaCl + H2O

> >

> > Can you produce NaCl without Na+ and Cl- ? No! So we know very well

> > the real components ( Na and Cl)which require to produce NaCl(

> > salt).If we know we have Na and Cl in the reaction,it will produce

> > NaCl,which taste salty.Can you make NaCl by Na+ and OH- ?If Na and Cl

> > not present we can't make Salt(NaCl).

> >

> > As like this all seeds have the all the characteristics in himself to

> > produce the same tree or plant.We Can say Mango seeds will produce

> > Mango tree and Neem seeds will produce Neem tree.That's not mean the

> > seeds will grow by himself,it's require seeding,feeding to grow and

> > environment to grow.It have all the characteristics but medium is

> > required to explore the qualities.

> >

> > If we know we are seeding Mango seeds we will get Mango tree and it

> > will produce Mango,which taste sweet,that's not means seed it self

> > taste sweet.If we now well the or recognize well Mango seed we can say

> > it will produce Mango,but to get Mango there are somany condition have

> > to apply.But we can say it will produce Mango tree not Neem tree.

> >

> > As Neelamji stated and today one article published in Times of

> > India,we are having very little knowledge about DNA & RNA as like

> > that we are having very little knowledge of Astrology.So please don't

> > jump to conclusion that what will do DNA & RNA for human Mental and

> > Health problems.It's well known that if a track of rail is so solid

> > for 500km speed,we can run the train at the speed of 500km/hour,track

> > is so solid,if you are not able to made a engine who can run at speed

> > of 500km/hour it is not default of track.We are looking the

> > astrological combination for particular abilities of a natal,it up to

> > him,he will become a expert Mechanic or Engineer.Chart say technical

> > qualities of a natal(Desh,Kal,Paristhithee depends to produce,what

> upto).

> >

> > Our forefathers have predicted absolutely correct so many times at the

> > time of birth of a child,how they said this children will become

> > " BUDHA " or a King?we are just using some their knowledge.We are not

> > discovering any new,we are just researching what they have said or

> > established the astrological rules.

> >

> > Planetary combination are so complex as like Chemical reaction in our

> > mind,when we will understand most of them than we can predict as like

> > any test in a Lab for certain result by certain combinations.

> >

> > We have to research the astrological relation with Human coded

> > cell(RNA & DNA),it is my opinion and strong thought.

> >

> > So many learned astrologer are active in this forum but most of them

> > just using set rules,they are not active to think new aspects even not

> > ready to accept new vision,as I feel so.May be I am on wrong track but

> > always try to think some different way.

> >

> > I am just K.G. class student in astrology,looking for guide-line from

> > learned astrologer.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

> >

> > , " Sreenadh "

> > sreesog@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > //> As you are scientist and Astrologer, I would like to know your

> > > analysis

> > > > if you have did, DNA & RNA having all the code of Physical and

> > > > Psychological structure of any human, if you can read their RNA &

> DNA

> > > > you can predict confirmatively about their Health and Mental

> > > > abilities. What characteristics they have and what abilities they

> have

> > > > in their code, nobody can go beyond their code structure(DNA &

> RNA).//

> > > This cannot be right. Knowing that NaCl (Salt) is made up of Na and

> > > Cl does not help us much in knowing tat NaCl would be salty. There

> are

> > > numerous such emergent qualities. Even life itself could be such an

> > > emergent quality. It is essentially due to the presence of such

> > > Emergent qualities that Holistic Approach is important. Therefore

> please

> > > don't expect that knowing the structure of RNA and DNA will solve

> all

> > > problems or that it will help us in predicting all the Health and

> > > Mental abilities of all the individual human beings - such a belief

> > > itself is unscientific!

> > > Love and regards,

> > > Sreenadh

> > >

> > >

> > > , " msbohra62 "

> > > <msbohra62@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Neelamji,

> > > >

> > > > //Let me share some of my views on the topic as I have been

> playing

> > > > the dual role, as a scientist and an astrologer, and switching

> between

> > > > the two with ease.//

> > > >

> > > > As you are scientist and Astrologer,I would like to know your

> analysis

> > > > if you have did,DNA & RNA having all the code of Physical and

> > > > Psychological structure of any human,if you can read their RNA &

> DNA

> > > > you can predict confirmatively about their Health and Mental

> > > > abilities.What characteristics they have and what abilities they

> have

> > > > in their code,nobody can go beyond their code structure(DNA &

> RNA).

> > > >

> > > > If we can change the code,we can change the characteristics of

> that

> > > > human.As like planetary position of any natal chart.we have

> observe in

> > > > many cases the family members are having the some similar position

> of

> > > > planets in their respective charts.

> > > >

> > > > " We can search the relation of " Born " time planetary position

> which

> > > > can reflect the construction of DNA & RNA of that human by this

> way we

> > > > can confirm the Astrology is the pure Science. "

> > > >

> > > > Nine planets in a chart and constituent of DNA & RNA.

> > > >

> > > > I would like to know the view of other learned Astrologer of this

> > > > forum about real relation of Astrology with human and any living

> > > things.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " neelam gupta "

> > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > *Dear All,*

> > > > >

> > > > > Let me share some of my views on the topic as I have been

> playing

> > > > the dual

> > > > > role, as a scientist and an astrologer, and switching between

> the

> > > > two with

> > > > > ease.

> > > > > **

> > > > >

> > > > > *In some ways, there is no difference between astrology and

> science?

> > > > both

> > > > > are advancing, moving forward, creative, both are justification

> of

> > > > thoughts,

> > > > > both are about development and both are seeking answers. Both

> > > systems of

> > > > > seeking knowledge, *about trying to understand the world, what's

> in

> > > it,

> > > > > what's beyond it.

> > > > >

> > > > > *But I would also say astrology is not science and science is

> not

> > > > astrology.

> > > > > I *wish I could coin another acceptable term a subject like

> > > astrology.

> > > > >

> > > > > Both seek the truth, and both lurk in the grey zone between

> > > > ignorance and

> > > > > truth. Both start with observation, make a hypothesis/theorem,

> > > collect

> > > > > statistical evidence and information to prove it and make it

> > > > replicable so

> > > > > that it fits our observation. It all becomes a matter of what we

> > > > observe.

> > > > > Both are beliefs, both are half truths? In this sense, there is

> no

> > > > > difference and no significant hostility between the astrology

> and

> > > > science.

> > > > >

> > > > > *But how do we differentiate? The difference springs from our

> way of

> > > > > thinking, the way we process information. And they become two

> > > > independent

> > > > > systems.*

> > > > >

> > > > > One? Global and holistic, an intuitive and simultaneous way of

> > > > looking at a

> > > > > whole picture first, and then details. It is like seeing a

> complete

> > > > image

> > > > > and then breaking into jigsaw pieces to see how they fit to make

> the

> > > > puzzle.

> > > > > This gives endless possibilities. That is the art in astrology,

> to

> > > > be able

> > > > > to visualise and then synthesize.

> > > > >

> > > > > Two? An analytical and sequential way of processing information

> by

> > > > putting

> > > > > together bits of information and trying to create a whole

> picture.

> > > It is

> > > > > collecting the pieces of zigsaw puzzle and putting them together

> to

> > > > see what

> > > > > they make. This creates only limited possibilities. This is

> science

> > > in

> > > > > astrology, you synthesize and then see what you could make.

> > > > >

> > > > > This comes from our working of the right and left hemispheres of

> the

> > > > brain.

> > > > > Both are independent and have different approach of working, yet

> > > > they are

> > > > > related and interdependent for certain processes. That is why

> many

> > > > people

> > > > > can switch between them and easily go back and forth between

> these

> > > > areas.

> > > > > Scientists are creative, they must be in order to be effective

> at

> > > > scientific

> > > > > inquiry, and many have music or art or even astrology as hobby.

> Good

> > > > artists

> > > > > are always critically analyzing their work, practicing

> technically

> > > > demanding

> > > > > techniques, and must understand technical concepts such as

> > > > perspective etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Right brain processing means: Visual, focusing on images,

> Intuitive,

> > > > led by

> > > > > feelings, process ideas simultaneously, 'Mind photos' used to

> > > things,

> > > > > remember names rather than faces, see the whole first, then the

> > > > > details, organisation

> > > > > tends to be lacking, likely to follow rules without questioning

> > > them, no

> > > > > sense of time, enjoy sensory input, enjoy observing, trouble

> > > > prioritising,

> > > > > so often late, listen to how something is being said impulsive,

> etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Left Brain Processing means: Verbal, focusing on words, symbols,

> > > > Analytical,

> > > > > led by logic, Process ideas sequentially, step by step, remember

> > > > things by

> > > > > writing things down or illustrating them helps them remember

> words,

> > > Make

> > > > > lateral connections from

> > > > > information, Highly organized, work up to the whole step by

> step,

> > > > focusing

> > > > > on details, information organized, Make logical deductions from

> > > > information

> > > > > like making lists and planning, Like to know why you're doing

> > > > something or

> > > > > why rules exist (reasons), Good at keeping track of time,

> Spelling

> > > and

> > > > > mathematical formula, Plan ahead, Likely read an instruction

> manual

> > > > before,

> > > > > Listen to what is being said, etc.

> > > > >

> > > > > Astrology is more likely to be a right brain child and science

> more

> > > > likely

> > > > > to be a product of left brain. Hence, the difference lies in our

> > > > approach to

> > > > > these two fields of learning. The two approaches are different,

> but

> > > > there is

> > > > > a very thin line between the two. Many of us easily switch

> between

> > > > the two

> > > > > approaches in today's times because so called science is more of

> a

> > > norm.

> > > > > This creates unnecessary confusion in our minds. The two types

> of

> > > > thinking

> > > > > need to be complementary. Someone who starts with being a

> scientist

> > > > ends up

> > > > > taking up photography as a career and an artist may be an

> > > engineering

> > > > > professional. In fact, the two areas of endeavor are compatible

> and

> > > > overlap

> > > > > in the use of mental skills.

> > > > >

> > > > > A mix and match technique could help a learner progress faster

> in

> > > > any of the

> > > > > fields and would ultimately lead to more complete knowledge.

> When we

> > > > doing

> > > > > astrology, we need be able to visualise the whole cosmos

> (Brahmand)

> > > > in our

> > > > > mind (right brain, working from the whole), then search the

> smaller

> > > > spheres,

> > > > > choosing the stars, zodiac, elements, patterns, placing the

> planets

> > > in

> > > > > shadows and highlights (right brain, working on various things

> > > > > simultaneously), but at the same time be able to look critically

> at

> > > > what we

> > > > > are doing (left brain, being analytical).

> > > > >

> > > > > However, the left brain or science approach can deal only with

> > > limited

> > > > > probabilities therefore, it makes more sense to the uninitiated

> and

> > > > limited

> > > > > mind. The right brain, for art and astrology throws endless

> > > > possibilities

> > > > > and fails to make any sense to a common mind. It leaves such a

> mind

> > > more

> > > > > intrigued than convinced by it. Our ultimate objective is to

> harness

> > > the

> > > > > limitless possibilities the left brain offers.

> > > > >

> > > > > I am not getting into the esoteric and metaphysical aspects of

> this.

> > > But

> > > > > hope this would help a little in understanding how the two

> studies

> > > > become

> > > > > different and why different people feel inclined to think

> > > differently.

> > > > >

> > > > > Regards

> > > > > Neelam

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sirs,

 

In the context of the astrological traits across other family

members, I would like to add that in the Lal Kitab there is a concept

of Pitri Rin [ different from Pitri Shraap ]. While judging a

horoscope for a Pitri Rin it is advised that the horoscopes of other

blood related members of the family should also be examined. A Pitri

Rin in a horoscope is declared only when the Pitri Rin is also

indicated in some, if not all, the horoscopes of the family members.

 

Therefore there is some definite astrological relationship between

the members of the same family; at times even across generations.

 

Since we inherit the name, fame and the property of our forefathers,

in the same way we also inherit their sins arising out of the

cruelties they committed during their lifetime. This is known as a

Pitri Rin.

 

Sincerely,

 

S P Khurana

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear Bhaskarji,

>

> There is a belief that the forefathers take birth in the family.

This may explain some of the the similarities.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Fri, 11/14/08, Bhaskar <rajiventerprises wrote:

> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises

> Re: Astrology is a Science

>

> Friday, November 14, 2008, 11:25 AM

>

>

>

>

>

Dear Bohra ji,

> Science has already proved few months back, that whatever traits

are there in the grandfather, are passed onto the grandsone. I saw a

1 hour TV progrmme on this, all science stuff. This keeps repeating.

probably unconsciously which is why the Grandafthers lover their

grandsons more than their sons, or Fathers behave little tough with

their own sons because they see the shadow of their own father in

their sons.

> Most of us now realise that we could have enjoyed more had we sat

down some more with our grandparents when we wer younger, but we were

so bust that time ( and stil are ), that this knowledge and

realisation comes late when they are gone.

> Our Life of today ispacked with 100's of targets to be completed in

a day that we dont have tme to do research work, nay, we dont even

have time to notice similiarties in charts of the same family, but if

we pause to notice, the we would be sure to find these.� Even palms

have smiliriaties. My wife has 2 sisters, and all the three have a

big gap in their Life line between the age of 30-45. This

is�morethan a inch gap strikingly noticeable which ionly pointed out

to them, after i got married. But studying chart is not holding

hands....... ..

> best wishes,

> Bhaskar. ��

> �

> �

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, " msbohra62 "

<msbohra62@ .> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Bhaskarji,

> >

> > My grandfather is very good Astrologer,he practice 'Shandhya'

three

> > times a day regularly.In my childhood I have seen him to making so

> > many hand position at the time of doing 'Shandhya'.That time I

cold

> > not understand the his act.I have lost him in my childhood,so

could

> > not get the opportunity to learn Astrology or other lesson from

him.My

> > father have not learn the astrology.But I have develop my

interest for

> > astrology,it may be Genomes or planetary contribution.

> >

> > My grandfather' s father was only son,my grandfather was only

son,my

> > father was only son.But we are two brother,my younger brother have

> > adopted by my aunt(Moshi), I am again only son of my family.Many

times

> > I think about it,if my aunt have not adopted my brother,what will

be

> > happened?

> >

> > So many similarity in the chart of family (Blood)members direct

link

> > to the Genomes of family.

> >

> > Whenever you have the time or in journey, for kill the time by

> > thinking on this subject will contribute more for astrology.

> >

> > Yours " Dubai " post is really a mirror to them,who are eager to

fly for

> > Dubai.

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > M.S.Bohra

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Bohra ji,

Thanks for the good mail.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

, " msbohra62 "

<msbohra62 wrote:

>

> " ,Dear Sreenadhji,

>

> This topic have wide scope to discuss which will helpful to learn more

> about astrological base.

>

> // * It is NOT the DNA/RNA structure or chemical nature that

> determines everything - there could be numerous other factors, such as

> the ENVIRONMENTAL INFLUENCE.

> * Knowing the DNA/RNA structure or chemical properties usually DOES

> NOT help us much in knowing the EMERGENT QUOLITIES that depends on

> various other parameters as well.//

>

> I agreed the chemical properties or planetary combination are not

> deciding factor for certain final product.But without hydrogen or

> Oxygen,you can't get H2O(water).What ever final product as like

> Solid.liquid or Gas it's depends on other factors(Temperature).Basic

> is Water(H2O),other are forms of Water.Without basic you can't get

> others form,right!

>

> As like Yoga of " Gajkesari " ,Jupiter and Moon separately can't be able

> to give this yoga or as like you have stated " Na is not salty " and " Cl

> is not salty " .When both comes as a bound they become a Yoga and salty

> respectively.

>

> DNA and RNA :-These are basics of deciding factor of human body,as

> little we know about these presently.They comes to us from our so many

> forefathers, from father side and mother side.We can say,we have all

> program it's depend on which file will be open for us.Again what

> chemical reaction will take place or which genomes will active for

> final product it's depends on others factors(Environment).

>

> For prediction as right as test in lab.We have to see the chart as we

> are having the basic cell(Genomes coded cell) in our hand,now we try

> to predict all possibilities of final product.What ever environment is

> require we can see in chart as planetary position(Which genomes will

> be active) and MD-AD-PD-SD-Pran Dasa of natal.In my view Nakshatra

> will be helpful to decide the particular environment at the particular

> time.We have to develop this knowledge by searching the connection

> between Genomes and Astrology.As like farmer knows that better crop

> will comes or worse will comes.Seed(Genomes) quality and

> environment(Dasa and Nakshatra result)will decide the final product.

>

> It's all sound complicated,but when you will think in peace you will

> get new era.

>

> As today's astrology we know the seeds(Genomes)as native's chart(The

> basics)but we are not sure for final product which depends on other

> factors (Environment).As Bhaskarji stated in his post that " Fate line

> are same in the hands of Crorepati,Middle Class and poor person but

> facts are different as they comes from different background.I will

> say " we have to search the reason for same fate line with different

> result.We forget the shape of palms,hardness of palms,color of

> palms,construction of palms other negative factors of palms.This is

> require to search for real predication.

>

> We have to search to know this environment perfectly for perfectly

> predication.Than we can prove astrology is pure science not game of

> possibility.

>

> You have stated that // " To an extend Physical properties depends on

> chemical properties; but it is also true that Chemical properties

> depends on physical properties " //

>

> It is fact,so alone astrology is not perfect.We have to search the

> links among the all branches of science with astrology.It is my point

> and I have take this opportunity to express my view in this topic.

>

> I request to all learned astrologer to please just try to search on

> this wavelength.Every practical teach us some new reactions.

>

> Thanks,

>

> M.S.Bohra

>

>

>

>

> , " Sreenadh "

> sreesog@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > Dear Bohra ji,

> > * Na is not salty.

> > * Cl is not salty

> > * But NaCl is salty, and this saltiness in an emergent quality.

> > * It is not true to think that ALL physical properties depend on

> > chemical properties or vice versa. For example, Hydrogen does not

have

> > the qualities of Water, Oxygen does not have the qualities of water,

> > Unlike Hydrogen and Oxygen H2O is usually a liquid, Whether H2O will

> > exist as a solid-liquid-gas too is not depended on its chemical

> > components but on the factors like the surrounding temperature

> > (environment).

> > So the point I wanted to make was - }

> > * It is NOT the DNA/RNA structure or chemical natrue that

determines

> > everything - there could be numerous other factors, such as the

> > ENVIRONMENTAL INFLUENCE.

> > * Knowing the DNA/RNA structure or chemical properties usually

DOES

> > NOT help us much in knowing the EMERGENT QUOLITIES that depends on

> > various other parameters as well.

> > Hope you see the point I was trying to make.

> > Please note one more point that could be useful : To an extend

> > Physical properties depends on chemical properties; but it is also

true

> > that Chemical properties depends on physical properties such as

> > structure and arrangement (of electrons, protons, atoms, bonds,

> > sub-atomic particles or whatever). Going to subtlety - we may even

loss

> > the distinction between physical and chemical. This understanding

and

> > perspective seems to be much important.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > , " msbohra62 "

> > <msbohra62@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadhji,

> > >

> > > It is sorry to say you have coded wrong example with wrong theory.

> > >

> > > You know very well NaCl is salty.can you taste NaoH?

> > >

> > > what is the difference between both?,When Na+ bound with Cl- it's

> > > become NaCl and when Na+ bound with OH- it will become NaoH.

> > >

> > > The Chemical reaction is as below :-

> > > NaoH + HCl -> NaCl + H2O

> > >

> > > Can you produce NaCl without Na+ and Cl- ? No! So we know very

well

> > > the real components ( Na and Cl)which require to produce NaCl(

> > > salt).If we know we have Na and Cl in the reaction,it will produce

> > > NaCl,which taste salty.Can you make NaCl by Na+ and OH- ?If Na and

Cl

> > > not present we can't make Salt(NaCl).

> > >

> > > As like this all seeds have the all the characteristics in himself

to

> > > produce the same tree or plant.We Can say Mango seeds will produce

> > > Mango tree and Neem seeds will produce Neem tree.That's not mean

the

> > > seeds will grow by himself,it's require seeding,feeding to grow

and

> > > environment to grow.It have all the characteristics but medium is

> > > required to explore the qualities.

> > >

> > > If we know we are seeding Mango seeds we will get Mango tree and

it

> > > will produce Mango,which taste sweet,that's not means seed it self

> > > taste sweet.If we now well the or recognize well Mango seed we can

say

> > > it will produce Mango,but to get Mango there are somany condition

have

> > > to apply.But we can say it will produce Mango tree not Neem tree.

> > >

> > > As Neelamji stated and today one article published in Times of

> > > India,we are having very little knowledge about DNA & RNA as like

> > > that we are having very little knowledge of Astrology.So please

don't

> > > jump to conclusion that what will do DNA & RNA for human Mental

and

> > > Health problems.It's well known that if a track of rail is so

solid

> > > for 500km speed,we can run the train at the speed of

500km/hour,track

> > > is so solid,if you are not able to made a engine who can run at

speed

> > > of 500km/hour it is not default of track.We are looking the

> > > astrological combination for particular abilities of a natal,it up

to

> > > him,he will become a expert Mechanic or Engineer.Chart say

technical

> > > qualities of a natal(Desh,Kal,Paristhithee depends to produce,what

> > upto).

> > >

> > > Our forefathers have predicted absolutely correct so many times at

the

> > > time of birth of a child,how they said this children will become

> > > " BUDHA " or a King?we are just using some their knowledge.We are

not

> > > discovering any new,we are just researching what they have said or

> > > established the astrological rules.

> > >

> > > Planetary combination are so complex as like Chemical reaction in

our

> > > mind,when we will understand most of them than we can predict as

like

> > > any test in a Lab for certain result by certain combinations.

> > >

> > > We have to research the astrological relation with Human coded

> > > cell(RNA & DNA),it is my opinion and strong thought.

> > >

> > > So many learned astrologer are active in this forum but most of

them

> > > just using set rules,they are not active to think new aspects even

not

> > > ready to accept new vision,as I feel so.May be I am on wrong track

but

> > > always try to think some different way.

> > >

> > > I am just K.G. class student in astrology,looking for guide-line

from

> > > learned astrologer.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > > M.S.Bohra

> > >

> > >

> > > , " Sreenadh "

> > > sreesog@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Dear Bohra ji,

> > > > //> As you are scientist and Astrologer, I would like to know

your

> > > > analysis

> > > > > if you have did, DNA & RNA having all the code of Physical and

> > > > > Psychological structure of any human, if you can read their

RNA &

> > DNA

> > > > > you can predict confirmatively about their Health and Mental

> > > > > abilities. What characteristics they have and what abilities

they

> > have

> > > > > in their code, nobody can go beyond their code structure(DNA &

> > RNA).//

> > > > This cannot be right. Knowing that NaCl (Salt) is made up of Na

and

> > > > Cl does not help us much in knowing tat NaCl would be salty.

There

> > are

> > > > numerous such emergent qualities. Even life itself could be such

an

> > > > emergent quality. It is essentially due to the presence of such

> > > > Emergent qualities that Holistic Approach is important.

Therefore

> > please

> > > > don't expect that knowing the structure of RNA and DNA will

solve

> > all

> > > > problems or that it will help us in predicting all the Health

and

> > > > Mental abilities of all the individual human beings - such a

belief

> > > > itself is unscientific!

> > > > Love and regards,

> > > > Sreenadh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , " msbohra62 "

> > > > <msbohra62@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Dear Neelamji,

> > > > >

> > > > > //Let me share some of my views on the topic as I have been

> > playing

> > > > > the dual role, as a scientist and an astrologer, and switching

> > between

> > > > > the two with ease.//

> > > > >

> > > > > As you are scientist and Astrologer,I would like to know your

> > analysis

> > > > > if you have did,DNA & RNA having all the code of Physical and

> > > > > Psychological structure of any human,if you can read their RNA

&

> > DNA

> > > > > you can predict confirmatively about their Health and Mental

> > > > > abilities.What characteristics they have and what abilities

they

> > have

> > > > > in their code,nobody can go beyond their code structure(DNA &

> > RNA).

> > > > >

> > > > > If we can change the code,we can change the characteristics of

> > that

> > > > > human.As like planetary position of any natal chart.we have

> > observe in

> > > > > many cases the family members are having the some similar

position

> > of

> > > > > planets in their respective charts.

> > > > >

> > > > > " We can search the relation of " Born " time planetary position

> > which

> > > > > can reflect the construction of DNA & RNA of that human by

this

> > way we

> > > > > can confirm the Astrology is the pure Science. "

> > > > >

> > > > > Nine planets in a chart and constituent of DNA & RNA.

> > > > >

> > > > > I would like to know the view of other learned Astrologer of

this

> > > > > forum about real relation of Astrology with human and any

living

> > > > things.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > > M.S.Bohra

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > , " neelam

gupta "

> > > > > neelamgupta07@ wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *Dear All,*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Let me share some of my views on the topic as I have been

> > playing

> > > > > the dual

> > > > > > role, as a scientist and an astrologer, and switching

between

> > the

> > > > > two with

> > > > > > ease.

> > > > > > **

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *In some ways, there is no difference between astrology and

> > science?

> > > > > both

> > > > > > are advancing, moving forward, creative, both are

justification

> > of

> > > > > thoughts,

> > > > > > both are about development and both are seeking answers.

Both

> > > > systems of

> > > > > > seeking knowledge, *about trying to understand the world,

what's

> > in

> > > > it,

> > > > > > what's beyond it.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *But I would also say astrology is not science and science

is

> > not

> > > > > astrology.

> > > > > > I *wish I could coin another acceptable term a subject like

> > > > astrology.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Both seek the truth, and both lurk in the grey zone between

> > > > > ignorance and

> > > > > > truth. Both start with observation, make a

hypothesis/theorem,

> > > > collect

> > > > > > statistical evidence and information to prove it and make it

> > > > > replicable so

> > > > > > that it fits our observation. It all becomes a matter of

what we

> > > > > observe.

> > > > > > Both are beliefs, both are half truths? In this sense, there

is

> > no

> > > > > > difference and no significant hostility between the

astrology

> > and

> > > > > science.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > *But how do we differentiate? The difference springs from

our

> > way of

> > > > > > thinking, the way we process information. And they become

two

> > > > > independent

> > > > > > systems.*

> > > > > >

> > > > > > One? Global and holistic, an intuitive and simultaneous way

of

> > > > > looking at a

> > > > > > whole picture first, and then details. It is like seeing a

> > complete

> > > > > image

> > > > > > and then breaking into jigsaw pieces to see how they fit to

make

> > the

> > > > > puzzle.

> > > > > > This gives endless possibilities. That is the art in

astrology,

> > to

> > > > > be able

> > > > > > to visualise and then synthesize.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Two? An analytical and sequential way of processing

information

> > by

> > > > > putting

> > > > > > together bits of information and trying to create a whole

> > picture.

> > > > It is

> > > > > > collecting the pieces of zigsaw puzzle and putting them

together

> > to

> > > > > see what

> > > > > > they make. This creates only limited possibilities. This is

> > science

> > > > in

> > > > > > astrology, you synthesize and then see what you could make.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > This comes from our working of the right and left

hemispheres of

> > the

> > > > > brain.

> > > > > > Both are independent and have different approach of working,

yet

> > > > > they are

> > > > > > related and interdependent for certain processes. That is

why

> > many

> > > > > people

> > > > > > can switch between them and easily go back and forth between

> > these

> > > > > areas.

> > > > > > Scientists are creative, they must be in order to be

effective

> > at

> > > > > scientific

> > > > > > inquiry, and many have music or art or even astrology as

hobby.

> > Good

> > > > > artists

> > > > > > are always critically analyzing their work, practicing

> > technically

> > > > > demanding

> > > > > > techniques, and must understand technical concepts such as

> > > > > perspective etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Right brain processing means: Visual, focusing on images,

> > Intuitive,

> > > > > led by

> > > > > > feelings, process ideas simultaneously, 'Mind photos' used

to

> > > > things,

> > > > > > remember names rather than faces, see the whole first, then

the

> > > > > > details, organisation

> > > > > > tends to be lacking, likely to follow rules without

questioning

> > > > them, no

> > > > > > sense of time, enjoy sensory input, enjoy observing, trouble

> > > > > prioritising,

> > > > > > so often late, listen to how something is being said

impulsive,

> > etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Left Brain Processing means: Verbal, focusing on words,

symbols,

> > > > > Analytical,

> > > > > > led by logic, Process ideas sequentially, step by step,

remember

> > > > > things by

> > > > > > writing things down or illustrating them helps them remember

> > words,

> > > > Make

> > > > > > lateral connections from

> > > > > > information, Highly organized, work up to the whole step by

> > step,

> > > > > focusing

> > > > > > on details, information organized, Make logical deductions

from

> > > > > information

> > > > > > like making lists and planning, Like to know why you're

doing

> > > > > something or

> > > > > > why rules exist (reasons), Good at keeping track of time,

> > Spelling

> > > > and

> > > > > > mathematical formula, Plan ahead, Likely read an instruction

> > manual

> > > > > before,

> > > > > > Listen to what is being said, etc.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Astrology is more likely to be a right brain child and

science

> > more

> > > > > likely

> > > > > > to be a product of left brain. Hence, the difference lies in

our

> > > > > approach to

> > > > > > these two fields of learning. The two approaches are

different,

> > but

> > > > > there is

> > > > > > a very thin line between the two. Many of us easily switch

> > between

> > > > > the two

> > > > > > approaches in today's times because so called science is

more of

> > a

> > > > norm.

> > > > > > This creates unnecessary confusion in our minds. The two

types

> > of

> > > > > thinking

> > > > > > need to be complementary. Someone who starts with being a

> > scientist

> > > > > ends up

> > > > > > taking up photography as a career and an artist may be an

> > > > engineering

> > > > > > professional. In fact, the two areas of endeavor are

compatible

> > and

> > > > > overlap

> > > > > > in the use of mental skills.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A mix and match technique could help a learner progress

faster

> > in

> > > > > any of the

> > > > > > fields and would ultimately lead to more complete knowledge.

> > When we

> > > > > doing

> > > > > > astrology, we need be able to visualise the whole cosmos

> > (Brahmand)

> > > > > in our

> > > > > > mind (right brain, working from the whole), then search the

> > smaller

> > > > > spheres,

> > > > > > choosing the stars, zodiac, elements, patterns, placing the

> > planets

> > > > in

> > > > > > shadows and highlights (right brain, working on various

things

> > > > > > simultaneously), but at the same time be able to look

critically

> > at

> > > > > what we

> > > > > > are doing (left brain, being analytical).

> > > > > >

> > > > > > However, the left brain or science approach can deal only

with

> > > > limited

> > > > > > probabilities therefore, it makes more sense to the

uninitiated

> > and

> > > > > limited

> > > > > > mind. The right brain, for art and astrology throws endless

> > > > > possibilities

> > > > > > and fails to make any sense to a common mind. It leaves such

a

> > mind

> > > > more

> > > > > > intrigued than convinced by it. Our ultimate objective is to

> > harness

> > > > the

> > > > > > limitless possibilities the left brain offers.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I am not getting into the esoteric and metaphysical aspects

of

> > this.

> > > > But

> > > > > > hope this would help a little in understanding how the two

> > studies

> > > > > become

> > > > > > different and why different people feel inclined to think

> > > > differently.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Regards

> > > > > > Neelam

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>