Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 hare ramakrishna dear sreeram ji i heard similar yogas as karinaal ( black or inauspicious days ) yogas if some one dies on this days ,and many does some santi karmas too ,But it is job of vadhyars or preists.so after learning i forget it.Has to look for it in notes i keeps . it is more prevalent in tamilnadu ,may b Gopu ji of our grp can giv some feed backs . other wise this name is confusing as pushkar means growth or pushti vardhanam regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64 wrote:>> > Dear Members,> > Find below an article reproduced from Mr. Mansukh Bhai's collection> .......> Pushkara Yoga> by Prof. P S Sastri> > There are many yogas in our astrological texts. Pushkara Yoga has> no place there. This yoga refers to the time of death. There are two> such yogas which are inauspicious. One arises from the combination of> the lunar tithi (day) and the weekday.> There are two kinds of lunar days (tithis) in this connection. The> 1st, 6th and 11th lunar tithis are called Nanda. The 2nd, 7th and 12th> are Bhadras. If these lunar tithis fall on Sunday, Tuesday and Saturday> at the time of death, it is dvi-Pushkara Yoga.> There are two groups of Nakshatras (constellations) involved in> the second variety. The biped Nakshatras are Mrigasira, Chitta and> Dhanishta. The Nakshatras having three feet are Krittika, Punarvasu,> Uttara, Visakha, Uttarashadha and Poorvabhadra. If in the above> dvi-Pushkara Yoga, any of these constellations is present, then it> becomes tri-Pushkara Yoga.> Generally death is inauspicious for the living if it falls on any> of these: (a) Lunar tithis 1, 2, 6, 7, 10, 12, 13 and 14; (b) Weekdays> Sunday, Tuesday, Friday and Saturday; © constellations Krittika,> Rohini, Mrigasira, Punarvasu, Makha, Uttara, Chitta, Visakha,> Uttarashadha, Dhanishta, Satbhisha, Poorvabhadra, Uttarabhadra and> Revati. Death in these constellations forebodes malefic results.> This malefic nature is doubled in dvi-Pushkara Yoga and trebled in> the tri-Pushkara Yoga.> An illustration will make this clear. If on the day of death there> are the first lunar tithi, Tuesday and Mrigasira, then it is a case of> dvi-Pushkara Yoga. If on the day of death we have the 11th lunar tithi> Sunday, and Punrvasu, then there is tri-Pushkara Yoga.> Of the bad constellations for death we have to find out which have> two feet and which have three feet. If the bad constellation does not> fall in these two categories, then it is only dvi-Pushkara Yoga. If the> tithi is neither Nanda nor Bhadra, but the weekday and the two-feet or> three-feet constellation is present, then it is a case of dvi-pushkara> Yoga.> What is the result? The text states "griha na sthatavyah":> one should not stay in the house. It should be closed for how long?> Counting from the constellations from Aswini and giving only their> number we get the periods thus:> 5 and 14 – two months; 3, 7, 12, 16 and 21 – three months;> 4 and 10 – five months; 23 to 27 – six months.> Some texts give the following: 23 – six, 24 – five, 25> – four, 26 – three and 27 – two months. Some state that if> the dead one is a parent, then one need not close the house. In these> days, it is not possible to close the house for its rental or any other> significance. The basic question is – should the house be deserted?> Our answer based on the Dharma Sastras and Vedic texts is an emphatic> negative. The authorities are clear that the best shanti (propitiation)> is "Udaka-Shanti" found in the Vedic texts. This is far more> efficacious than leaving the house deserted.> > (Courtesy: The Astrological Magazine, April, 1990)> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Dear Sreeram Srinivas, Thanks for the article. As the Astrological Magazine has discontinued and it has scholarly readership, it will be better for the readers to have good article from the old issues to get them reprinted for their knowledge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 dear Sri Sunil Nairji, I am from chennai but i am not aware of the yoga which is under discussion. I am a brahmin, In our caste any person dies, the rites associated with the cremation is being done and thereafter the 13days rites are being performed. On the l3th day Subham is performed and Sesame seeds arent used on that day instead Navagraha homam is being done and according to sastrigal this 13day rites will take care of the soul and the last day ceremony is to prevent such unpleasant happenings in the future. But this custom differs in other castes. for them it is 16day ceremony. where the sastrigal or the family priest will do the rites on behalf of the karaka. To the best of my knowledge in the metro cities none analyse the yoga pertaining to death because of paucity of time plus the emotional distress prevailing at that juncture added to this is the huge expenditure involved in creamation and followed by religious rites. I am giving an eg: In a brahmin family if an individual dies the first day charges of the sastrigal will range from 5000- 15000/. and the 13days ceremony will cost a minimum of 18,000/. which includes the first day charge. But this charges can go upto even a lac depending upon the wealth of the family. good wishes, k.gopu--- On Fri, 11/21/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Pushkara Yoga Date: Friday, November 21, 2008, 6:44 AM hare ramakrishna dear sreeram ji i heard similar yogas as karinaal ( black or inauspicious days ) yogas if some one dies on this days ,and many does some santi karmas too ,But it is job of vadhyars or preists.so after learning i forget it.Has to look for it in notes i keeps . it is more prevalent in tamilnadu ,may b Gopu ji of our grp can giv some feed backs . other wise this name is confusing as pushkar means growth or pushti vardhanam regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreeram srinivas" <sreeram64@.. .> wrote:>> > Dear Members,> > Find below an article reproduced from Mr. Mansukh Bhai's collection> .......> Pushkara Yoga> by Prof. P S Sastri> > There are many yogas in our astrological texts. Pushkara Yoga has> no place there. This yoga refers to the time of death. There are two> such yogas which are inauspicious. One arises from the combination of> the lunar tithi (day) and the weekday.> There are two kinds of lunar days (tithis) in this connection. The> 1st, 6th and 11th lunar tithis are called Nanda. The 2nd, 7th and 12th> are Bhadras. If these lunar tithis fall on Sunday, Tuesday and Saturday> at the time of death, it is dvi-Pushkara Yoga.> There are two groups of Nakshatras (constellations) involved in> the second variety. The biped Nakshatras are Mrigasira, Chitta and> Dhanishta. The Nakshatras having three feet are Krittika, Punarvasu,> Uttara, Visakha, Uttarashadha and Poorvabhadra. If in the above> dvi-Pushkara Yoga, any of these constellations is present, then it> becomes tri-Pushkara Yoga.> Generally death is inauspicious for the living if it falls on any> of these: (a) Lunar tithis 1, 2, 6, 7, 10, 12, 13 and 14; (b) Weekdays> Sunday, Tuesday, Friday and Saturday; © constellations Krittika,> Rohini, Mrigasira, Punarvasu, Makha, Uttara, Chitta, Visakha,> Uttarashadha, Dhanishta, Satbhisha, Poorvabhadra, Uttarabhadra and> Revati. Death in these constellations forebodes malefic results.> This malefic nature is doubled in dvi-Pushkara Yoga and trebled in> the tri-Pushkara Yoga.> An illustration will make this clear. If on the day of death there> are the first lunar tithi, Tuesday and Mrigasira, then it is a case of> dvi-Pushkara Yoga. If on the day of death we have the 11th lunar tithi> Sunday, and Punrvasu, then there is tri-Pushkara Yoga.> Of the bad constellations for death we have to find out which have> two feet and which have three feet. If the bad constellation does not> fall in these two categories, then it is only dvi-Pushkara Yoga. If the> tithi is neither Nanda nor Bhadra, but the weekday and the two-feet or> three-feet constellation is present, then it is a case of dvi-pushkara> Yoga.> What is the result? The text states "griha na sthatavyah":> one should not stay in the house. It should be closed for how long?> Counting from the constellations from Aswini and giving only their> number we get the periods thus:> 5 and 14 – two months; 3, 7, 12, 16 and 21 – three months;> 4 and 10 – five months; 23 to 27 – six months.> Some texts give the following: 23 – six, 24 – five, 25> – four, 26 – three and 27 – two months. Some state that if> the dead one is a parent, then one need not close the house. In these> days, it is not possible to close the house for its rental or any other> significance. The basic question is – should the house be deserted?> Our answer based on the Dharma Sastras and Vedic texts is an emphatic> negative. The authorities are clear that the best shanti (propitiation)> is "Udaka-Shanti" found in the Vedic texts. This is far more> efficacious than leaving the house deserted.> > (Courtesy: The Astrological Magazine, April, 1990)> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2008 Report Share Posted November 21, 2008 Hare ramakrishna dear Gopu ji Thanks for ur mail I find this in some Lower caste Hindus they even does some sacrificial ceremonies too like cutting a black chicken etc ( i dont know its details ) ,some other section they make an effigy and does some santikarmas in case any nativ died on this karinal ( inauspicious days ) and creamate it also ceremoniously . There is another blf also abt mrityupanchakam ( 5 star s they consideres --again i need to look for reference tho i was remebring it ) ,there is a blf that if some one dies on this stars there will b 5 deaths in family in a yr .( i think last 5 stars upto revathi ) all this more practised in kerala-tamilnadu border areas ,so i think influence of some tamil sidha texts or even may b some interpolations happened lately . There is no classical textual support for it . Once again thanks for ur post and ur time . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> dear Sri Sunil Nairji,> I am from chennai but i am not aware of the yoga which is under discussion.> I am a brahmin, In our caste any person dies, the rites > associated with the cremation is being done and thereafter the 13days> rites are being performed. On the l3th day Subham is performed and> Sesame seeds arent used on that day instead Navagraha homam is being> done and according to sastrigal this 13day rites will take care of the soul> and the last day ceremony is to prevent such unpleasant happenings in the future.> But this custom differs in other castes. for them it is 16day ceremony.> where the sastrigal or the family priest will do the rites on behalf of the> karaka. To the best of my knowledge in the metro cities none analyse> the yoga pertaining to death because of paucity of time plus the > emotional distress prevailing at that juncture added to this is the huge> expenditure involved in creamation and followed by religious rites.> I am giving an eg: In a brahmin family if an individual dies the first day> charges of the sastrigal will range from 5000- 15000/. and the 13days ceremony> will cost a minimum of 18,000/. which includes the first day charge. But this> charges can go upto even a lac depending upon the wealth of the family.> > good wishes,> k.gopu> > > --- On Fri, 11/21/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: Pushkara Yoga> > Friday, November 21, 2008, 6:44 AM> > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna > > dear sreeram ji > > i heard similar yogas as karinaal ( black or inauspicious days ) yogas if some one dies on this days ,and many does some santi karmas too ,But it is job of vadhyars or preists.so after learning i forget it.Has to look for it in notes i keeps .> > it is more prevalent in tamilnadu ,may b Gopu ji of our grp can giv some feed backs .> > other wise this name is confusing as pushkar means growth or pushti vardhanam > > regrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreeram srinivas" sreeram64@ .> wrote:> >> > > > Dear Members,> > > > Find below an article reproduced from Mr. Mansukh Bhai's collection> > .......> > Pushkara Yoga> > by Prof. P S Sastri> > > > There are many yogas in our astrological texts. Pushkara Yoga has> > no place there. This yoga refers to the time of death. There are two> > such yogas which are inauspicious. One arises from the combination of> > the lunar tithi (day) and the weekday.> > There are two kinds of lunar days (tithis) in this connection. The> > 1st, 6th and 11th lunar tithis are called Nanda. The 2nd, 7th and 12th> > are Bhadras. If these lunar tithis fall on Sunday, Tuesday and Saturday> > at the time of death, it is dvi-Pushkara Yoga.> > There are two groups of Nakshatras (constellations) involved in> > the second variety. The biped Nakshatras are Mrigasira, Chitta and> > Dhanishta. The Nakshatras having three feet are Krittika, Punarvasu,> > Uttara, Visakha, Uttarashadha and Poorvabhadra. If in the above> > dvi-Pushkara Yoga, any of these constellations is present, then it> > becomes tri-Pushkara Yoga.> > Generally death is inauspicious for the living if it falls on any> > of these: (a) Lunar tithis 1, 2, 6, 7, 10, 12, 13 and 14; (b) Weekdays> > Sunday, Tuesday, Friday and Saturday; © constellations Krittika,> > Rohini, Mrigasira, Punarvasu, Makha, Uttara, Chitta, Visakha,> > Uttarashadha, Dhanishta, Satbhisha, Poorvabhadra, Uttarabhadra and> > Revati. Death in these constellations forebodes malefic results.> > This malefic nature is doubled in dvi-Pushkara Yoga and trebled in> > the tri-Pushkara Yoga.> > An illustration will make this clear. If on the day of death there> > are the first lunar tithi, Tuesday and Mrigasira, then it is a case of> > dvi-Pushkara Yoga. If on the day of death we have the 11th lunar tithi> > Sunday, and Punrvasu, then there is tri-Pushkara Yoga.> > Of the bad constellations for death we have to find out which have> > two feet and which have three feet. If the bad constellation does not> > fall in these two categories, then it is only dvi-Pushkara Yoga. If the> > tithi is neither Nanda nor Bhadra, but the weekday and the two-feet or> > three-feet constellation is present, then it is a case of dvi-pushkara> > Yoga.> > What is the result? The text states "griha na sthatavyah":> > one should not stay in the house. It should be closed for how long?> > Counting from the constellations from Aswini and giving only their> > number we get the periods thus:> > 5 and 14 – two months; 3, 7, 12, 16 and 21 – three months;> > 4 and 10 – five months; 23 to 27 – six months.> > Some texts give the following: 23 – six, 24 – five, 25> > – four, 26 – three and 27 – two months. Some state that if> > the dead one is a parent, then one need not close the house. In these> > days, it is not possible to close the house for its rental or any other> > significance. The basic question is – should the house be deserted?> > Our answer based on the Dharma Sastras and Vedic texts is an emphatic> > negative. The authorities are clear that the best shanti (propitiation)> > is "Udaka-Shanti" found in the Vedic texts. This is far more> > efficacious than leaving the house deserted.> > > > (Courtesy: The Astrological Magazine, April, 1990)> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Hare rama krishna dear grp . THis messge seems to be deleted while approving ,so i am reposting it ( There is some Bug they yet to b rectified ) rgrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah Dear Sunilji,// There is another blf also abt mrityupanchakam ( 5 star s they consideres --again i need to look for reference tho i was remebring it ) ,there is a blf that if some one dies on this stars there will b 5 deaths in family in a yr .( i think last 5 stars upto revathi )//My father died on Uttarabhadra star, within one month of his death, his cousin brother was killed in an accident (he attended my father's funeral), then few days after that his another cousin's wife also died. All these deaths occurred within two months. All belong to the same Gothra. Do post more deatils on this, if you getRegards,bhagavathi , "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala wrote:>> > > > Hare ramakrishna> > dear Gopu ji> > > > Thanks for ur mail> > I find this in some Lower caste Hindus they even does some sacrificial> ceremonies too like cutting a black chicken etc ( i dont know its> details ) ,some other section they make an effigy and does some> santikarmas in case any nativ died on this karinal ( inauspicious days )> and creamate it also ceremoniously . There is another blf also abt> mrityupanchakam ( 5 star s they consideres --again i need to look for> reference tho i was remebring it ) ,there is a blf that if some one dies> on this stars there will b 5 deaths in family in a yr .( i think last 5> stars upto revathi )> > > > all this more practised in kerala-tamilnadu border areas ,so i think> influence of some tamil sidha texts or even may b some interpolations> happened lately .> > > > There is no classical textual support for it .> > > > Once again thanks for ur post and ur time .> > > > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > > , K Gopu kgopu_24@> wrote:> >> > dear Sri Sunil Nairji,> > I am from chennai but i am not aware of the yoga which is under> discussion.> > I am a brahmin, In our caste any person dies, the rites> > associated with the cremation is being done and thereafter the 13days> > rites are being performed. On the l3th day Subham is performed and> > Sesame seeds arent used on that day instead Navagraha homam is being> > done and according to sastrigal this 13day rites will take care of the> soul> > and the last day ceremony is to prevent such unpleasant happenings in> the future.> > But this custom differs in other castes. for them it is 16day> ceremony.> > where the sastrigal or the family priest will do the rites on behalf> of the> > karaka. To the best of my knowledge in the metro cities none analyse> > the yoga pertaining to death because of paucity of time plus the> > emotional distress prevailing at that juncture added to this is the> huge> > expenditure involved in creamation and followed by religious rites.> > I am giving an eg: In a brahmin family if an individual dies the first> day> > charges of the sastrigal will range from 5000- 15000/. and the 13days> ceremony> > will cost a minimum of 18,000/. which includes the first day charge.> But this> > charges can go upto even a lac depending upon the wealth of the> family.> >> > good wishes,> > k.gopu> >> >> > --- On Fri, 11/21/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> >> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@> > Re: Pushkara Yoga> > > > Friday, November 21, 2008, 6:44 AM> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > hare ramakrishna> >> > dear sreeram ji> >> > i heard similar yogas as karinaal ( black or inauspicious days )> yogas if some one dies on this days ,and many does some santi karmas too> ,But it is job of vadhyars or preists.so after learning i forget it.Has> to look for it in notes i keeps .> >> > it is more prevalent in tamilnadu ,may b Gopu ji of our grp can giv> some feed backs .> >> > other wise this name is confusing as pushkar means growth or pushti> vardhanam> >> > regrds sunil nair> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreeram srinivas"> sreeram64@ .> wrote:> > >> > >> > > Dear Members,> > >> > > Find below an article reproduced from Mr. Mansukh Bhai's collection> > > .......> > > Pushkara Yoga> > > by Prof. P S Sastri> > >> > > There are many yogas in our astrological texts. Pushkara Yoga has> > > no place there. This yoga refers to the time of death. There are two> > > such yogas which are inauspicious. One arises from the combination> of> > > the lunar tithi (day) and the weekday.> > > There are two kinds of lunar days (tithis) in this connection. The> > > 1st, 6th and 11th lunar tithis are called Nanda. The 2nd, 7th and> 12th> > > are Bhadras. If these lunar tithis fall on Sunday, Tuesday and> Saturday> > > at the time of death, it is dvi-Pushkara Yoga.> > > There are two groups of Nakshatras (constellations) involved in> > > the second variety. The biped Nakshatras are Mrigasira, Chitta and> > > Dhanishta. The Nakshatras having three feet are Krittika, Punarvasu,> > > Uttara, Visakha, Uttarashadha and Poorvabhadra. If in the above> > > dvi-Pushkara Yoga, any of these constellations is present, then it> > > becomes tri-Pushkara Yoga.> > > Generally death is inauspicious for the living if it falls on any> > > of these: (a) Lunar tithis 1, 2, 6, 7, 10, 12, 13 and 14; (b)> Weekdays> > > Sunday, Tuesday, Friday and Saturday; © constellations Krittika,> > > Rohini, Mrigasira, Punarvasu, Makha, Uttara, Chitta, Visakha,> > > Uttarashadha, Dhanishta, Satbhisha, Poorvabhadra, Uttarabhadra and> > > Revati. Death in these constellations forebodes malefic results.> > > This malefic nature is doubled in dvi-Pushkara Yoga and trebled in> > > the tri-Pushkara Yoga.> > > An illustration will make this clear. If on the day of death there> > > are the first lunar tithi, Tuesday and Mrigasira, then it is a case> of> > > dvi-Pushkara Yoga. If on the day of death we have the 11th lunar> tithi> > > Sunday, and Punrvasu, then there is tri-Pushkara Yoga.> > > Of the bad constellations for death we have to find out which have> > > two feet and which have three feet. If the bad constellation does> not> > > fall in these two categories, then it is only dvi-Pushkara Yoga. If> the> > > tithi is neither Nanda nor Bhadra, but the weekday and the two-feet> or> > > three-feet constellation is present, then it is a case of> dvi-pushkara> > > Yoga.> > > What is the result? The text states "griha na sthatavyah":> > > one should not stay in the house. It should be closed for how long?> > > Counting from the constellations from Aswini and giving only their> > > number we get the periods thus:> > > 5 and 14 – two months; 3, 7, 12, 16 and 21 – three months;> > > 4 and 10 – five months; 23 to 27 – six months.> > > Some texts give the following: 23 – six, 24 – five, 25> > > – four, 26 – three and 27 – two months. Some state that> if> > > the dead one is a parent, then one need not close the house. In> these> > > days, it is not possible to close the house for its rental or any> other> > > significance. The basic question is – should the house be> deserted?> > > Our answer based on the Dharma Sastras and Vedic texts is an> emphatic> > > negative. The authorities are clear that the best shanti> (propitiation)> > > is "Udaka-Shanti" found in the Vedic texts. This is far more> > > efficacious than leaving the house deserted.> > >> > > (Courtesy: The Astrological Magazine, April, 1990)> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 dear Mrs.Bhagavathi, I am sorry to note the deaths following ur father's death on a day of Uthrabadrapada star. Unfortunately birth and death are not in the control of human beings. Probably modern medical technology is being used to induce delivery (thro C-section) on an auspiscious day. Likewise Medical technology can be used to avoid death in those stars by keeping the individual on life support systems. Of course every body cannot afford this procedure. good wishes, k.gopu --- On Sat, 11/22/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Pushkara Yoga Saturday, November 22, 2008, 4:48 AM Hare rama krishna dear grp . THis messge seems to be deleted while approving ,so i am reposting it ( There is some Bug they yet to b rectified ) rgrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah Dear Sunilji, // There is another blf also abt mrityupanchakam ( 5 star s they consideres --again i need to look for reference tho i was remebring it ) ,there is a blf that if some one dies on this stars there will b 5 deaths in family in a yr .( i think last 5 stars upto revathi )// My father died on Uttarabhadra star, within one month of his death, his cousin brother was killed in an accident (he attended my father's funeral), then few days after that his another cousin's wife also died. All these deaths occurred within two months. All belong to the same Gothra. Do post more deatils on this, if you get Regards, bhagavathi ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala@ ...> wrote: > > > > > Hare ramakrishna > > dear Gopu ji > > > > Thanks for ur mail > > I find this in some Lower caste Hindus they even does some sacrificial > ceremonies too like cutting a black chicken etc ( i dont know its > details ) ,some other section they make an effigy and does some > santikarmas in case any nativ died on this karinal ( inauspicious days ) > and creamate it also ceremoniously . There is another blf also abt > mrityupanchakam ( 5 star s they consideres --again i need to look for > reference tho i was remebring it ) ,there is a blf that if some one dies > on this stars there will b 5 deaths in family in a yr .( i think last 5 > stars upto revathi ) > > > > all this more practised in kerala-tamilnadu border areas ,so i think > influence of some tamil sidha texts or even may b some interpolations > happened lately . > > > > There is no classical textual support for it . > > > > Once again thanks for ur post and ur time . > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu kgopu_24@ > wrote: > > > > dear Sri Sunil Nairji, > > I am from chennai but i am not aware of the yoga which is under > discussion. > > I am a brahmin, In our caste any person dies, the rites > > associated with the cremation is being done and thereafter the 13days > > rites are being performed. On the l3th day Subham is performed and > > Sesame seeds arent used on that day instead Navagraha homam is being > > done and according to sastrigal this 13day rites will take care of the > soul > > and the last day ceremony is to prevent such unpleasant happenings in > the future. > > But this custom differs in other castes. for them it is 16day > ceremony. > > where the sastrigal or the family priest will do the rites on behalf > of the > > karaka. To the best of my knowledge in the metro cities none analyse > > the yoga pertaining to death because of paucity of time plus the > > emotional distress prevailing at that juncture added to this is the > huge > > expenditure involved in creamation and followed by religious rites. > > I am giving an eg: In a brahmin family if an individual dies the first > day > > charges of the sastrigal will range from 5000- 15000/. and the 13days > ceremony > > will cost a minimum of 18,000/. which includes the first day charge. > But this > > charges can go upto even a lac depending upon the wealth of the > family. > > > > good wishes, > > k.gopu > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/21/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Pushkara Yoga > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > Friday, November 21, 2008, 6:44 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna > > > > dear sreeram ji > > > > i heard similar yogas as karinaal ( black or inauspicious days ) > yogas if some one dies on this days ,and many does some santi karmas too > ,But it is job of vadhyars or preists.so after learning i forget it.Has > to look for it in notes i keeps . > > > > it is more prevalent in tamilnadu ,may b Gopu ji of our grp can giv > some feed backs . > > > > other wise this name is confusing as pushkar means growth or pushti > vardhanam > > > > regrds sunil nair > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreeram srinivas " > sreeram64@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > Find below an article reproduced from Mr. Mansukh Bhai's collection > > > ....... > > > Pushkara Yoga > > > by Prof. P S Sastri > > > > > > There are many yogas in our astrological texts. Pushkara Yoga has > > > no place there. This yoga refers to the time of death. There are two > > > such yogas which are inauspicious. One arises from the combination > of > > > the lunar tithi (day) and the weekday. > > > There are two kinds of lunar days (tithis) in this connection. The > > > 1st, 6th and 11th lunar tithis are called Nanda. The 2nd, 7th and > 12th > > > are Bhadras. If these lunar tithis fall on Sunday, Tuesday and > Saturday > > > at the time of death, it is dvi-Pushkara Yoga. > > > There are two groups of Nakshatras (constellations) involved in > > > the second variety. The biped Nakshatras are Mrigasira, Chitta and > > > Dhanishta. The Nakshatras having three feet are Krittika, Punarvasu, > > > Uttara, Visakha, Uttarashadha and Poorvabhadra. If in the above > > > dvi-Pushkara Yoga, any of these constellations is present, then it > > > becomes tri-Pushkara Yoga. > > > Generally death is inauspicious for the living if it falls on any > > > of these: (a) Lunar tithis 1, 2, 6, 7, 10, 12, 13 and 14; (b) > Weekdays > > > Sunday, Tuesday, Friday and Saturday; © constellations Krittika, > > > Rohini, Mrigasira, Punarvasu, Makha, Uttara, Chitta, Visakha, > > > Uttarashadha, Dhanishta, Satbhisha, Poorvabhadra, Uttarabhadra and > > > Revati. Death in these constellations forebodes malefic results. > > > This malefic nature is doubled in dvi-Pushkara Yoga and trebled in > > > the tri-Pushkara Yoga. > > > An illustration will make this clear. If on the day of death there > > > are the first lunar tithi, Tuesday and Mrigasira, then it is a case > of > > > dvi-Pushkara Yoga. If on the day of death we have the 11th lunar > tithi > > > Sunday, and Punrvasu, then there is tri-Pushkara Yoga. > > > Of the bad constellations for death we have to find out which have > > > two feet and which have three feet. If the bad constellation does > not > > > fall in these two categories, then it is only dvi-Pushkara Yoga. If > the > > > tithi is neither Nanda nor Bhadra, but the weekday and the two-feet > or > > > three-feet constellation is present, then it is a case of > dvi-pushkara > > > Yoga. > > > What is the result? The text states " griha na sthatavyah " : > > > one should not stay in the house. It should be closed for how long? > > > Counting from the constellations from Aswini and giving only their > > > number we get the periods thus: > > > 5 and 14 – two months; 3, 7, 12, 16 and 21 – three months; > > > 4 and 10 – five months; 23 to 27 – six months. > > > Some texts give the following: 23 – six, 24 – five, 25 > > > – four, 26 – three and 27 – two months. Some state that > if > > > the dead one is a parent, then one need not close the house. In > these > > > days, it is not possible to close the house for its rental or any > other > > > significance. The basic question is – should the house be > deserted? > > > Our answer based on the Dharma Sastras and Vedic texts is an > emphatic > > > negative. The authorities are clear that the best shanti > (propitiation) > > > is " Udaka-Shanti " found in the Vedic texts. This is far more > > > efficacious than leaving the house deserted. > > > > > > (Courtesy: The Astrological Magazine, April, 1990) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Hare ramakrishna dear gopu ji and bhagavathi ji I dont think any body done a reserch on it properly both on c -section muhurtha births and also this mrityupanchakam On mrityupanchakam i try to do it ,but lack public feed back i droped it ,It can b done only in villages i feel as ppl r well knit and knows each other as i want details of other person's dying too .i find some cases it is happening tho like madam bhagavathi ji said ,but i never find 5 deaths .some says it can transfer to death as death some domesticated animals due to our good karmas or charitable nature . even one yr back one keralite business man ( 38 or so yrs ) died on this specified day s and their family ( wife's ) called me as some one said so ,so i also requested them to inform me any latest devlpmnt s .but later they concted to know abt re marriage prospects of the widow and i never asked them any thing further on this . regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . , K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote:>> dear Mrs.Bhagavathi,> I am sorry to note the deaths following ur father's death on a day of Uthrabadrapada star.> Unfortunately birth and death are not in the control of human beings. Probably modern medical technology is being used to induce delivery (thro C-section) on an auspiscious day.> Likewise Medical technology can be used to avoid death in those stars by keeping the individual on life support systems. Of course every body cannot afford this procedure.> > good wishes,> k.gopu> > > > --- On Sat, 11/22/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala wrote:> > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala Re: Pushkara Yoga> > Saturday, November 22, 2008, 4:48 AM> > > > > Hare rama krishna> dear grp .> > THis messge seems to be deleted while approving ,so i am reposting it ( There is some Bug they yet to b rectified )> > rgrds sunil nair> om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > Dear Sunilji,> > // There is another blf also abt mrityupanchakam ( 5 star s they> consideres --again i need to look for reference tho i was remebring> it ) ,there is a blf that if some one dies on this stars there will b 5> deaths in family in a yr .( i think last 5 stars upto revathi )//> > My father died on Uttarabhadra star, within one month of his death, his> cousin brother was killed in an accident (he attended my father's> funeral), then few days after that his another cousin's wife also died.> All these deaths occurred within two months. All belong to the same> Gothra.> > Do post more deatils on this, if you get> > Regards,> > bhagavathi > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala@ ...> wrote:> >> >> >> >> > Hare ramakrishna> >> > dear Gopu ji> >> >> >> > Thanks for ur mail> >> > I find this in some Lower caste Hindus they even does some sacrificial> > ceremonies too like cutting a black chicken etc ( i dont know its> > details ) ,some other section they make an effigy and does some> > santikarmas in case any nativ died on this karinal ( inauspicious days )> > and creamate it also ceremoniously . There is another blf also abt> > mrityupanchakam ( 5 star s they consideres --again i need to look for> > reference tho i was remebring it ) ,there is a blf that if some one dies> > on this stars there will b 5 deaths in family in a yr .( i think last 5> > stars upto revathi )> >> >> >> > all this more practised in kerala-tamilnadu border areas ,so i think> > influence of some tamil sidha texts or even may b some interpolations> > happened lately .> >> >> >> > There is no classical textual support for it .> >> >> >> > Once again thanks for ur post and ur time .> >> >> >> > regrds sunil nair> >> > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> >> >> > ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu kgopu_24@> > wrote:> > >> > > dear Sri Sunil Nairji,> > > I am from chennai but i am not aware of the yoga which is under> > discussion.> > > I am a brahmin, In our caste any person dies, the rites> > > associated with the cremation is being done and thereafter the 13days> > > rites are being performed. On the l3th day Subham is performed and> > > Sesame seeds arent used on that day instead Navagraha homam is being> > > done and according to sastrigal this 13day rites will take care of the> > soul> > > and the last day ceremony is to prevent such unpleasant happenings in> > the future.> > > But this custom differs in other castes. for them it is 16day> > ceremony.> > > where the sastrigal or the family priest will do the rites on behalf> > of the> > > karaka. To the best of my knowledge in the metro cities none analyse> > > the yoga pertaining to death because of paucity of time plus the> > > emotional distress prevailing at that juncture added to this is the> > huge> > > expenditure involved in creamation and followed by religious rites.> > > I am giving an eg: In a brahmin family if an individual dies the first> > day> > > charges of the sastrigal will range from 5000- 15000/. and the 13days> > ceremony> > > will cost a minimum of 18,000/. which includes the first day charge.> > But this> > > charges can go upto even a lac depending upon the wealth of the> > family.> > >> > > good wishes,> > > k.gopu> > >> > >> > > --- On Fri, 11/21/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote:> > >> > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@> > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Pushkara Yoga> > > ancient_indian_ astrology> > > Friday, November 21, 2008, 6:44 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > hare ramakrishna> > >> > > dear sreeram ji> > >> > > i heard similar yogas as karinaal ( black or inauspicious days )> > yogas if some one dies on this days ,and many does some santi karmas too> > ,But it is job of vadhyars or preists.so after learning i forget it.Has> > to look for it in notes i keeps .> > >> > > it is more prevalent in tamilnadu ,may b Gopu ji of our grp can giv> > some feed backs .> > >> > > other wise this name is confusing as pushkar means growth or pushti> > vardhanam> > >> > > regrds sunil nair> > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah> > >> > > ancient_indian_ astrology, "sreeram srinivas"> > sreeram64@ .> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Dear Members,> > > >> > > > Find below an article reproduced from Mr. Mansukh Bhai's collection> > > > .......> > > > Pushkara Yoga> > > > by Prof. P S Sastri> > > >> > > > There are many yogas in our astrological texts. Pushkara Yoga has> > > > no place there. This yoga refers to the time of death. There are two> > > > such yogas which are inauspicious. One arises from the combination> > of> > > > the lunar tithi (day) and the weekday.> > > > There are two kinds of lunar days (tithis) in this connection. The> > > > 1st, 6th and 11th lunar tithis are called Nanda. The 2nd, 7th and> > 12th> > > > are Bhadras. If these lunar tithis fall on Sunday, Tuesday and> > Saturday> > > > at the time of death, it is dvi-Pushkara Yoga.> > > > There are two groups of Nakshatras (constellations) involved in> > > > the second variety. The biped Nakshatras are Mrigasira, Chitta and> > > > Dhanishta. The Nakshatras having three feet are Krittika, Punarvasu,> > > > Uttara, Visakha, Uttarashadha and Poorvabhadra. If in the above> > > > dvi-Pushkara Yoga, any of these constellations is present, then it> > > > becomes tri-Pushkara Yoga.> > > > Generally death is inauspicious for the living if it falls on any> > > > of these: (a) Lunar tithis 1, 2, 6, 7, 10, 12, 13 and 14; (b)> > Weekdays> > > > Sunday, Tuesday, Friday and Saturday; © constellations Krittika,> > > > Rohini, Mrigasira, Punarvasu, Makha, Uttara, Chitta, Visakha,> > > > Uttarashadha, Dhanishta, Satbhisha, Poorvabhadra, Uttarabhadra and> > > > Revati. Death in these constellations forebodes malefic results.> > > > This malefic nature is doubled in dvi-Pushkara Yoga and trebled in> > > > the tri-Pushkara Yoga.> > > > An illustration will make this clear. If on the day of death there> > > > are the first lunar tithi, Tuesday and Mrigasira, then it is a case> > of> > > > dvi-Pushkara Yoga. If on the day of death we have the 11th lunar> > tithi> > > > Sunday, and Punrvasu, then there is tri-Pushkara Yoga.> > > > Of the bad constellations for death we have to find out which have> > > > two feet and which have three feet. If the bad constellation does> > not> > > > fall in these two categories, then it is only dvi-Pushkara Yoga. If> > the> > > > tithi is neither Nanda nor Bhadra, but the weekday and the two-feet> > or> > > > three-feet constellation is present, then it is a case of> > dvi-pushkara> > > > Yoga.> > > > What is the result? The text states "griha na sthatavyah":> > > > one should not stay in the house. It should be closed for how long?> > > > Counting from the constellations from Aswini and giving only their> > > > number we get the periods thus:> > > > 5 and 14 – two months; 3, 7, 12, 16 and 21 – three months;> > > > 4 and 10 – five months; 23 to 27 – six months.> > > > Some texts give the following: 23 – six, 24 – five, 25> > > > – four, 26 – three and 27 – two months. Some state that> > if> > > > the dead one is a parent, then one need not close the house. In> > these> > > > days, it is not possible to close the house for its rental or any> > other> > > > significance. The basic question is – should the house be> > deserted?> > > > Our answer based on the Dharma Sastras and Vedic texts is an> > emphatic> > > > negative. The authorities are clear that the best shanti> > (propitiation)> > > > is "Udaka-Shanti" found in the Vedic texts. This is far more> > > > efficacious than leaving the house deserted.> > > >> > > > (Courtesy: The Astrological Magazine, April, 1990)> > > >> > >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Dear Nairji, Sorry missed your mails as was slow. This is commonly known as Panchak and is clearly shown in Gujrati Panchanga.. There have been whisper/rumours of some VIPS being kept " alive " ?! on ventilators etc to avoid these " panchak " periods.  Thanks & regards  Chiranjiv Mehta --- On Sat, 22/11/08, sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala wrote: sunil nair <astro_tellerkerala Re: Pushkara Yoga Saturday, 22 November, 2008, 9:03 AM  Hare ramakrishna  dear gopu ji and bhagavathi ji  I dont think any body done a reserch on it properly both on c -section muhurtha births and also this mrityupanchakam  On mrityupanchakam i try to do it ,but lack public feed back i droped it ,It can b done only in villages i feel as ppl r well knit and knows each other as i want details of other person's dying too .i find some cases it is happening tho like madam bhagavathi ji said ,but i never find 5 deaths .some says it can transfer to death as death some domesticated animals due to our good karmas or charitable nature .  even one yr back one keralite business man ( 38 or so yrs ) died on this specified day s and their family ( wife's ) called me as some one said so ,so i also requested them to inform me any latest devlpmnt s .but later they concted to know abt re marriage prospects of the widow and i never asked them any thing further on this .  regrds sunil nair om shreem mahalaxmai namah . ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu <kgopu_24 wrote: > > dear Mrs.Bhagavathi, > I am sorry to note the deaths following ur father's death on a day of Uthrabadrapada star. > Unfortunately birth and death are not in the control of human beings.. Probably modern medical technology is being used to induce delivery (thro C-section) on an auspiscious day. > Likewise Medical technology can be used to avoid death in those stars by keeping the individual on life support systems. Of course every body cannot afford this procedure. >  > good wishes, > k.gopu > > > > --- On Sat, 11/22/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... wrote: > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ ... > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Pushkara Yoga > ancient_indian_ astrology > Saturday, November 22, 2008, 4:48 AM > > > >  > Hare rama krishna > dear grp . >  > THis messge seems to be deleted while approving ,so i am reposting it ( There is some Bug they yet to b rectified ) >  > rgrds sunil nair > om shreem mahalaxmai namah >  > Dear Sunilji, > > // There is another blf also abt mrityupanchakam ( 5 star s they > consideres --again i need to look for reference tho i was remebring > it ) ,there is a blf that if some one dies on this stars there will b 5 > deaths in family in a yr .( i think last 5 stars upto revathi )// > > My father died on Uttarabhadra star, within one month of his death, his > cousin brother was killed in an accident (he attended my father's > funeral), then few days after that his another cousin's wife also died. > All these deaths occurred within two months. All belong to the same > Gothra. > > Do post more deatils on this, if you get > > Regards, > > bhagavathi > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sunil nair " <astro_tellerkerala@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hare ramakrishna > > > > dear Gopu ji > > > > > > > > Thanks for ur mail > > > > I find this in some Lower caste Hindus they even does some sacrificial > > ceremonies too like cutting a black chicken etc ( i dont know its > > details ) ,some other section they make an effigy and does some > > santikarmas in case any nativ died on this karinal ( inauspicious days ) > > and creamate it also ceremoniously . There is another blf also abt > > mrityupanchakam ( 5 star s they consideres --again i need to look for > > reference tho i was remebring it ) ,there is a blf that if some one dies > > on this stars there will b 5 deaths in family in a yr .( i think last 5 > > stars upto revathi ) > > > > > > > > all this more practised in kerala-tamilnadu border areas ,so i think > > influence of some tamil sidha texts or even may b some interpolations > > happened lately . > > > > > > > > There is no classical textual support for it . > > > > > > > > Once again thanks for ur post and ur time . > > > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, K Gopu kgopu_24@ > > wrote: > > > > > > dear Sri Sunil Nairji, > > > I am from chennai but i am not aware of the yoga which is under > > discussion. > > > I am a brahmin, In our caste any person dies, the rites > > > associated with the cremation is being done and thereafter the 13days > > > rites are being performed. On the l3th day Subham is performed and > > > Sesame seeds arent used on that day instead Navagraha homam is being > > > done and according to sastrigal this 13day rites will take care of the > > soul > > > and the last day ceremony is to prevent such unpleasant happenings in > > the future. > > > But this custom differs in other castes. for them it is 16day > > ceremony. > > > where the sastrigal or the family priest will do the rites on behalf > > of the > > > karaka. To the best of my knowledge in the metro cities none analyse > > > the yoga pertaining to death because of paucity of time plus the > > > emotional distress prevailing at that juncture added to this is the > > huge > > > expenditure involved in creamation and followed by religious rites. > > > I am giving an eg: In a brahmin family if an individual dies the first > > day > > > charges of the sastrigal will range from 5000- 15000/. and the 13days > > ceremony > > > will cost a minimum of 18,000/. which includes the first day charge. > > But this > > > charges can go upto even a lac depending upon the wealth of the > > family. > > > > > > good wishes, > > > k.gopu > > > > > > > > > --- On Fri, 11/21/08, sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ wrote: > > > > > > sunil nair astro_tellerkerala@ > > > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Pushkara Yoga > > > ancient_indian_ astrology > > > Friday, November 21, 2008, 6:44 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > hare ramakrishna > > > > > > dear sreeram ji > > > > > > i heard similar yogas as karinaal ( black or inauspicious days ) > > yogas if some one dies on this days ,and many does some santi karmas too > > ,But it is job of vadhyars or preists.so after learning i forget it.Has > > to look for it in notes i keeps . > > > > > > it is more prevalent in tamilnadu ,may b Gopu ji of our grp can giv > > some feed backs . > > > > > > other wise this name is confusing as pushkar means growth or pushti > > vardhanam > > > > > > regrds sunil nair > > > om shreem mahalaxmai namah > > > > > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreeram srinivas " > > sreeram64@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Members, > > > > > > > > Find below an article reproduced from Mr. Mansukh Bhai's collection > > > > ....... > > > > Pushkara Yoga > > > > by Prof. P S Sastri > > > > > > > > There are many yogas in our astrological texts. Pushkara Yoga has > > > > no place there. This yoga refers to the time of death. There are two > > > > such yogas which are inauspicious. One arises from the combination > > of > > > > the lunar tithi (day) and the weekday. > > > > There are two kinds of lunar days (tithis) in this connection. The > > > > 1st, 6th and 11th lunar tithis are called Nanda. The 2nd, 7th and > > 12th > > > > are Bhadras. If these lunar tithis fall on Sunday, Tuesday and > > Saturday > > > > at the time of death, it is dvi-Pushkara Yoga. > > > > There are two groups of Nakshatras (constellations) involved in > > > > the second variety. The biped Nakshatras are Mrigasira, Chitta and > > > > Dhanishta. The Nakshatras having three feet are Krittika, Punarvasu, > > > > Uttara, Visakha, Uttarashadha and Poorvabhadra. If in the above > > > > dvi-Pushkara Yoga, any of these constellations is present, then it > > > > becomes tri-Pushkara Yoga. > > > > Generally death is inauspicious for the living if it falls on any > > > > of these: (a) Lunar tithis 1, 2, 6, 7, 10, 12, 13 and 14; (b) > > Weekdays > > > > Sunday, Tuesday, Friday and Saturday; © constellations Krittika, > > > > Rohini, Mrigasira, Punarvasu, Makha, Uttara, Chitta, Visakha, > > > > Uttarashadha, Dhanishta, Satbhisha, Poorvabhadra, Uttarabhadra and > > > > Revati. Death in these constellations forebodes malefic results. > > > > This malefic nature is doubled in dvi-Pushkara Yoga and trebled in > > > > the tri-Pushkara Yoga. > > > > An illustration will make this clear. If on the day of death there > > > > are the first lunar tithi, Tuesday and Mrigasira, then it is a case > > of > > > > dvi-Pushkara Yoga. If on the day of death we have the 11th lunar > > tithi > > > > Sunday, and Punrvasu, then there is tri-Pushkara Yoga. > > > > Of the bad constellations for death we have to find out which have > > > > two feet and which have three feet. If the bad constellation does > > not > > > > fall in these two categories, then it is only dvi-Pushkara Yoga. If > > the > > > > tithi is neither Nanda nor Bhadra, but the weekday and the two-feet > > or > > > > three-feet constellation is present, then it is a case of > > dvi-pushkara > > > > Yoga. > > > > What is the result? The text states " griha na sthatavyah " : > > > > one should not stay in the house. It should be closed for how long? > > > > Counting from the constellations from Aswini and giving only their > > > > number we get the periods thus: > > > > 5 and 14 – two months; 3, 7, 12, 16 and 21 – three months; > > > > 4 and 10 – five months; 23 to 27 – six months. > > > > Some texts give the following: 23 – six, 24 – five, 25 > > > > – four, 26 – three and 27 – two months. Some state that > > if > > > > the dead one is a parent, then one need not close the house. In > > these > > > > days, it is not possible to close the house for its rental or any > > other > > > > significance. The basic question is – should the house be > > deserted? > > > > Our answer based on the Dharma Sastras and Vedic texts is an > > emphatic > > > > negative. The authorities are clear that the best shanti > > (propitiation) > > > > is " Udaka-Shanti " found in the Vedic texts. This is far more > > > > efficacious than leaving the house deserted. > > > > > > > > (Courtesy: The Astrological Magazine, April, 1990) > > > > > > > > > > Add more friends to your messenger and enjoy! Go to http://messenger./invite/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2008 Report Share Posted November 22, 2008 Dear Gopuji and all, In case of C-section and also in case of postponing death by being on artificial respirators, I am not sure how far we are actually successful in altering the destined time. The baby will come out only at the destined time even in case of C-sections. As far as I have seen, when we see the sequence of events in life, a C-section birth time also appears accurate. If a man is destined to die at any of those 5 stars, he will. If we try to put him on artificial respirators, the respirators would fail. In short, man-made everything is still controlled by the Supreme. Regards, bhagavathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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