The Secret Behind Vimshottari Dasha System (By Vinay Jha)

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Dear All, The following article by Vinay Jha jee is taken from:http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/page/Vimshottari+Dasha Love and regards,Sreenadh======================================== The Secret Behind Vimshottari Dasha SystemThere

are many types of Dashas, ten of which are based on Nakshatras.

Vimshottari Dasha is held to be the most important Dasha System in

Jyotisha of Vedic-Puranic tradition. Most often, astrologers of this

tradition do not even take into consideration other dasha systems and

base their conclusions solely upon Vimshottari. But

there are two obstacles which prevent accurate timing of events with

the help of vimshottari system. One is the use of Drik-pakshiya

mathematics, ie, modern astronomy , for finding true longitudes of

planets and ascendant, etc. Second problem is the use of solar year for

reckoning, in spite of the fact that all ancient texts explicitly

mention that the year of vimshottari system comprises of 360 days only.

Due to these two errors, the timing of events in vimshottari system

errs by many years. Vimshottari

system is based upon lunar nakshatra, hence its year ought to be lunar.

Indian tradition year is a ccombination of solar and lunar, known as

luni-solar year, like other ancient systems. In lunar year, there are

360 tithis or lunar days, which is the year of vimshottari system. 360

tithis are equal to 354.37 solar days. Therefore, there is a difference of 3% between solar year and vimshottari year. Add

to this 3% error the difference on account of Drik-pakshiya and

Saur-pakshiya positions of Moon. Drik-pakshiya world is the phenomenal

sensory world , which is manifest to human sense organs. It is the

material world. Saur-pakshiya world is the non-material world in which

deities reside. All ancient texts of Vedic-Puranic tradition say that

the Grahas of Jyotisha are gods and are diverse incarnations of God.

God and gods are conscious entities and it is wrong to conceptualize

them as material bodies. Material planets intruded into astrology only

during past one or two millenia, but even today there are a large

number of astrologers in India who refuse to accept computer softwares

based upon modern astronomy, and use traditional almanacs or

panchangas. These traditional panchangas are crudely made, yet the

vimshottari timings based upon them prove to be far more accurate than

those based upon materialist astronomy. Now, highly precise

software based upon traditional Surya-siddhantic system is also in the

market, distributed as a freeware for philanthropic purpose. If

birth-time is approximately correct, and few very good or very bad

events in the life of a person is known, then precise birth-time can be

fixed, and thereafter very accurate forecasts can be drawn from this

software, accurate upto prana-dasha. This software has been tested for

natural disasters like floods, earthquakes, cyclones, etc and the

result is 100% positive. Total annual and fortnightly (actually, during

solar nakshatra) rainfall data of past 135 years of India have been

tested, and this software is 100% accurate. But this software is not

based upon the faulty interpretation of Surya-siddhanta by E. Burgess.

Instead, ancient Surya-siddhantic methods have been used in it. The

maximum amount of correction made in mean Moon according to

Surya-siddhanta is nearly 1.5 degrees less than that made according to

modern astronomy. It is nearly 1 / 9 of a nakshatra which is equal to

13Ëš:20Ì . Due to this factor alone, vomshottari period of Venus, Saturn

and Rahu (lunar node) will vary by 2 years and more. Add to it the

difference due to descrepancies between Surya-siddhantic mean Moon with

the mean Moon of materialist astronomy. And then add the 3% error due

to wrong year imposed upon vimshottari system. Total error in timing of

vimshottari dashas will be over 5 years in modern era, when differences

between mean planets of Surya-siddhanta show minimum divergence from

those of materialist astronomy. In distant ages, the difference was

greater. In 21000 years, difference between Drik-pakshiya and

Saur-pakshiya positions of planets increases by 180Ëš. Within a few

centuries, Drik-pakshiya astronomy will lose its charm in astrology as

vimshottari dashas will show intolerable errors. Even

today, Drik-pakshiya astronomy gives errors of ± 5 years in timing of

vimshottari dashas. As a result, 19% of Maha-dashas and a much greater

portion of antar-dashas are wrong. Pratyantar, sukshma and prana dashas

are almost always in the wrong. As a result, astrologers take a

recourse to other dasha systems, palmistry, numerology, etc for

satisfying their clients. Very few persons are trying to test the

Surya-siddhantic software, due to the venomous propaganda against

Surya-siddhanta by materialists. Surya-siddhanta is not a text of

materialist astronomy, and it is interpreted materialistically by

materialists, by comparison with planetary positions. The proof of

Surya-siddhanta is Phalit Jyotisha ( predictive astrology) based upon

it, it is wrong to use modern astronomy as a yardstick for testing the

reliability of Surya-siddhanta. I have met persons who refuse to test

Surya-siddhantic software of Phalit Jyotisha named 'Kundalee', calling

Surya-siddhanta to be an outdated and useless work ! Even criminals get

a chance to prove themselves, but Surya-siddhanta is denied this chance

in a materialist age. By rejecting the only accurate method of

astrology, who will prove to be a loser ? Now

let us talk about the design of Vimshottari system. Arrange the planets

according to the plan as depicted in upper picture. This arrangement is

based upon planetary distances. Omit Rahu, Ketu

and Moon initially, which are not full planets. Inner planets,

including Sun, are in the right half of the upper picture. Outer

planets are on the left side of the upper picture. Now add up their

duration of years as given in the vimshottari dasha system. In left

half, we get (Saturn 19) + (Jupiter 16) + (Mars 7) = 42 yearsand in right half we get (Mercury 17) + (Venus 20) + (Sun 6) = 43 yearsTotal

of all 9 planets is 120 lunar years in the vimshottari system. Both

halves should have 60 years each. Left half in upper picture has a

deficit of 18 years, which only Rahu can give, and right half has a

deficit of 17 years which only a combination of Ketu and Moon can

supply. Thus we get the lower picture of vimshottari dasha system. Rahu

and Ketu must be placed opposite to each other, and Moon should be

placed alongwith the Sun but not between Sun and any planet ( i.e.,

Venus). It is safe to put Rahu and Ketu away from Sun and Moon . Since

distances from the Sun was the basis of this plan, vimshottari dasha

system ought to start with Sun. As in the lower picture, we get the

sequence Sun : Moon : Mars : Rahu : Jupiter : Saturn : Mercury : Ketu : Venus which is the sequence given in all ancient texts, esp. by Sage Parashara. In

adhyaya 3, khanda 16 of Chandogya Upanishada, there are 7 shlokas which

describe three stages in the lifespan of a person, being of 24, 44 and

48 years respectively, which are the number of syllables in three

important Vedic metres Gayatri, Trishtup and Jagati. Total lifespan of

a human being is here said to be of 116 years. In Vimshottari dasha system full lifespan of a human being is equal to 120 lunar years, which is equal to 116.4 solar years which, when rounded off, is same as that given in the Chandogya Upanishada. One

question remains to be answered : what is the rationale behind the

number of years assigned to different planets in the vimshottari dasha

system ? Who will find a plausible answer to this intriguing question ?

-VJ================================================================Vimshottari Timings for Planets of Mixed AttributesOften a planet is both good and bad, how to decide when we get which result?

Often a planet possesses both good and bad attributes. How we should

decide when we get which result during the dashas of such a planet of

mixed attributes ? For instance, if a student takes appears in an

examination during the dasha of such a planet, whether he/will get

through or fail? Or will he hover at the passing point ? For

instance, if Jupiter is in moolatrikona in a particular horoscope , it

is highly auspicious on account of that. But if it is lord of 6th and

11th houses at the same time, it is highly malefic. It is

wrong to assume that these opposite attributes cancel each other. In

rainfall analysis, I found that such planets cause excessive rainfall

on account of being in moolatrikona, but cause destruction from rains

and/or flooding due to their malefic nature. I have worked

for many years in rain prediction, and there I had faced tricky

questions. What will be total amount of rainfall due to a planet which

is good (eg, exalted) and bad (eg, in 12th house)? The answer I found,

from analysis of past data of 136 years procured from IITM (Pune) is

that net result will be nearly ±5% of normal rainfall, if other planets

do not influence that particular region (ie, have no aspect and no

relation with rain's karaka). But places pierced (viddha) by malefic

planets in Sarvatobhadra chakra in that region will be badly hit by

excessive or scanty rainfall depending upon magnitude of aspect, and

places pierced by benefics will be blessed with rains conducive to good

harvest. In individual horoscopes, similar situations,

however, produce different problems. Many persons are confused about

malefic and benefic planets. Jupiter as lord of 3rd and 6th houses is

malefic, but if it is situated in mooltrikona, it is benefic as well.

Now a question arises : when such a planet will give its good results,

and when its malefic fruits will be reaped ? Rule-I :

The answer is simple : during MD (mahadasha) of Jupiter, one will get

good results during AD (antardasha) of Jupiter's own AD or ADs of

friendly relatives, and bad results during ADs of enmical planets. This

principle works down to prandasha level. For instance, if such a mixed

Jupiter is karaka of sukshma-dasha, it will give give good results

during prana-dasha of its friends and bad results during prana-dasha of

its enemies. For instance, a native topped school board exams

during Jupiter's MD and Jupiter's AD (pratyantara and sukshma were of

auspicious planets too). But the same native failed to get through the

examinations just two years later during AD of Saturn, although Saturn

was lord of 4th and 5th houses and was therefore auspicious for that

native. The cause was mutual enmity and conjunction (yuti) relation

between Jupiter and Saturn. Jupiter gave its good results during its

own AD , but during Saturn's AD mainly the malefic results of Jupiter

were manifest, benefic results of both Jupiter and Saturn lied dormant.

It was the worst period in the life of that native. He could not leave

his house for a long period due to illness, depression and bad

relations with everyone, and failed in examinations. But

during Saturn's MD and Jupiter's AD, things were good for the same

native, because Saturn, being an auspicious planet (kendresh plus

trikonesh) gave its good results through its yuti relative jupiter, and

suppressed the bad effects of malefic Jupiter due to mutual enmity. It

was the best period in the life of same native and he excelled in

whatever he attempted ! Thus, Jupiter's MD gave both best and worst

results in the life of a single native. It is a general

principle, which works only when aspects of both planets (eg, planets

causing MD and AD) are nearly equal upon the bhava we are analyzing. If

any one of them has very strong influence in comparison to the other

planet over that particular bhava, the stronger planet will break the

above rule and give its own good or bad fruits in proportion of its

strength. Net result becomes more complex when influences of

other planets are also considered, which we must do, because many

influences are effective for whole life irrespective of dasha. For

instance, a person will not become long during MD of Saturn and dwarf

during MD of Mercury. Rule-II :

Now let us consider another problem. Suppose we are in a situation in

which we an answer in binary language or yes or no. Eg., whether one

will pass or fail in an examination, live or die during a critical

surgery, etc. Mixed answers will not do under such circumstances. Such

cases are rare when a patients neither lives nor dies, and relapses in

a coma, or a student's result is washed away by floods in the board

office. In such situations, we have to evaluate the net

auspiciousness or inauspiciousness of all the five karaka planets of

five levels of Vimshottari, taking into account benefic and malefic

properties of each of them. Long practice coupled with intuition

developed by means of inner purity helps in this evaluation. During

such an evaluation, an exalted planet in 12th mansion must be counted

as a normal planet. Only general outlines are presented here.

Both of above laws work always work perfectly, but only when we follow

the siddhanta (mathematics) of ancient sages. =============================================

I said above "Both of above laws work always work perfectly, but only

when we follow the siddhanta (mathematics) of ancient sages."

Prevalent methods of computing Vimshottari dashas contain two major

sources of error in timing, one on account of Drikpakshiya Moon and

another on account of wrong duration of 'year' used. Canonical texts

strictly define Vimshottari's year to be of 360 days. Solar year is

slightly over 365 days. Hence, Solar year must not be used for

Vimshottari. Vimshottari is made from lunar asterism (nakshatra). Hence

its year is lunar. Lunar year is of 360 lunar days (tithis). This is

Vimshottari's year. Unfortunately, few astrologers use this correct

year for Vimshottari computations. As a result, there is a 3.07% error

in the length of Vimshottari year. If true moon is acurately computed,

Vimshottari timing at birth will be correct, but will err by one year

after 32.57 years, by two years after 65 years, and so on. As a result,

8% of mahadasha timings and 70% of antar-dasha timings will be wrong !

Very few persons will have accurate pratyantaras in their Vimshottari

tables ! If birthtime true moon is also wrong, there will be greater

error ! Among all the Vedic softwares I have hitherto seen,

only two softwares give the option of selecting lunar year in computing

Vimshottari, and few people take advantage of these options ! New

theories of predictive astrology (Phalit Jyotisha) are being invented

to account for the mismatch in predictions and reality, instead of

trying the ancient method of sages. Some practising

astrologers knew this mismatch in timing, but did not know the reason.

Dr Kameshwar Upadhyaya, former editor of Vishwa Panchanga published by

BHU (Benaras Hindu University), told me many years ago that all planets

start giving results many months before their real Vimshottari timing

begins. At that time, he was using solar year for Vimshottari

reckoning. He is one of the most busy practising astrologers of

Varanasi and has analysed a remendous number of horoscopes made with

the help of all sorts of methods. Now he is convinced that lunar year

should be used for Vimshottari reckoning, but fears that majority of

astrologers will become his opponent due to professional reasons, hence

keeps quiet but uses lunar year in his own computations. Same is the

case with some other reputed astrologers. But there is

another, more serious, problem : use of Drikpakshiya Moon in Vedic

Astrology, which results in considerable error in Vimshottari

reckoning. But the magnitude of this error remains constant throughout

the life of a native. For instance, if a planet starts giving its

results 6 months before its computed time according to lunar year, all

planets will show same error of 6 months throughout the life of that

native. Hence, it will be easy to recognize that there is an error of 6

months, which can be remedied by using Saurpakshiya correctives

according to ancient techniques. Magnitude of this error is different

for different persons, sometimes running into years ! How

long this wrong Vimshottari year will prevail is a matter of our

collective choice. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. Predictive

(Phalita) astrology of Vedic sages is an exact science, provided we

keep true to their Ganita. Grahas of Vedic Jyotisha are deities,

according to all ancient authorities, and deities cannot be perceived

sensorily. I have dared to write on this blasphemous topic in an age of

materialism, in which material objects of sky are believed to be

deities. Let me see what is the reaction ! -VJ====================================================================== The Secret Magic of Vimshottari It

is a universally accepted fact that any faultless astrological

technique of exact timing of events either does not exist or lies

hidden, although philistine astrologers (nakshatrasoochakas) may

declare themselves to be omniscient. All known methods in

Vedic Astrology can be divided into two categories, as far as

mathematics is concerned : (1) those dependent upon modern physical

astronomy and (2) those relying on traditional methods. Both these

categories have numerous variants. Major problem in the first camp is

astrologically correct value of ayanamsha, and main problem in second

camp is computational crudities of various types. We assume

that both these camps take for granted that in mathematics sidereal

(nirayana) system is correct and in predictive astrology (phalita

jyotisha) Brihat-Parashara-Hora-Shastra (BPHS) and ancient texts based

on or akin to BPHS are to be relied upon, because that is the accepted

meaning of Vedic Astrology or Jyotisha. There cannot be

mutually incompatible two correct techniques of timing, either both of

them or at least one of them must be incorrect. As far as the first

school based on physical astronomy is concerned, all possible values of

ayanamsha have been experimented with during past one hundred years,

without any conclusive outcome in the favour of any single value of

ayanamsha. It proves that even after we get some perfect solution to

the problem of ayanamsha, there must be other unrecognized errors which

must be removed if we want any exact technique in timing of events. One

such source of error is erroneous length of the Vimshottari year. Some

software developers, like Sri Jyoti Star in the USA and Kundalee in

India, have experimented with various types of Vimshottari years,

without any conclusive result, because a third source of error was

never noticed by any practitioner of Vedic Astrology among the computer

using guys : hidden Saurpakshiya offsets in Drikpakshiya longitudes of

planets. Most of the computer using astrologers might not have heard

these esoteric terms, whiich are fundamental in the curriculum of Vedic

Jyotisha taught in Sanskrit universities of India. These are ancient

concepts, and Ketaki system had revived these concepts during 20th

century. Kamlakara Bhatta was the most staunch proponent of this

Saurpakshiya mathematics during recent centuries, but due to Western

hegemony and faith in modern science this ancient system was never

tried by any software developer. Many reputed scholars of

Sanskrit universities on India have concluded that unless this

beejsamskrita (offset corrected) method of Suryasidhanta is adopted,

foolproof timing of events will remain a distant dream. On 18 Oct 2005,

after two days of discussions in a conference held at Sampoornanand

Sanskrit University in Varanasi, an unanimous decision was taken by

academic stalwarts from six states of India that all panchangas of

India ought to be made according to Suryasidhanta and a committee

headed by me (Vinay Jha) was formed to implement this unanimous

decision, whose parties were Dr Nagendra Pandey (currently HOD of

Jyotisha at Sampoornanand Sanskrit University in Varanasi), Dr Shukdeva

Chaturvedi (former HOD of Lalbahadur Shastri Kendriya Vidyapeetha in

Delhi), Dr Ramchandra Pandey (former HOD of Jyotisha of Benaras Hindu

University, Varanasi), Dr Radhakanta Mishra (currently HOD of Jyotisha

at KSD Sanskrit University in Bihar), etc. This unanimous decision was

implemented and eight panchangas were started in many states of India

and a horoscope making Kundalee software was also launched, based on

the same beejsamskrita Suryasidhantic mathematics.

Mathematical discussion of this tricky affair is not advisable here. My

aim here is merely to illustrate, with some examples, this traditional

method of Vedic Ganita (mathematics), which was simply known as

Siddhanta (theory) by all ancient astrologers of India. Without a sound

Siddhanta, a sound predictive astrology is just impossible. There were

18 ancient Siddhantas, of which Surya Siddhanta was lauded as the best

by Varah Mihir. The beauty and greatness of BPHS cannot be properly

fathomed unless we use the Ganita (Surya Siddhanta) of those very

ancient masters who created Phalita. Some rules must be

observed before we proceed. Rashi chart should be used only for

determining friendships, aspects, strengths, debilities, etc of

planets. Predictive work should be entirely based upon the

Bhava-chalita kundali. Many astrologers use Rashi kundali for

predictons because it saves time, and this habit has now become almost

a rule ! Ascendant is defined as a point in ecliptic. The latter is

elliptical. Hence, ascendant and consequent bhavas are all parts of

this solar ellipse. Rashi kundali is circular and therefore all 12

parts are equal. But bhavachalita kundali is elliptical because its 12

bhavas are unequal. Now we come to our main theme. Birthtime

bhavachalita (D1) and navamamsha (D9) kundalis and associated aspect

charts are given in following two pictures. Let us explore the timing

of marriage of a registered user (cf. http://www.mysticboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=58583 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & start=0)

according to BPHS and Laghuparashari. All the rules and techniques used

below are well known to all Vedic astrologers, but these rules work

with perfection only if all the three mathematical offsets are taken

into account. Following analysis is based on a software (Kundalee) in

which all necessary corrections proposed by aforementioned academics

have been taken into account. Birthtime : 17:07:1983 at 19:34, Nellore (14:27 N, 80:02 E) Marriage time : 10:08:2006 at 11:04, Hyderabad Saurpakshiya Vimshottari at the time of marriage : MahaDasha(MD) = Jup, AD = Sat, PD = Rahu,SD = Ven,PrD = Merc Let us consider birthtime Bhava-chalita (D1) and Navamasha(D9) charts. Following is the aspects (max. 60) on 7th house : Jup = 51 ; Ketu = 39 ; Sat = 38 ; Moon = 10 ; Rahu = 6 ; others = 0. Merury resides in 7th house. Due to more aspect on 7th house than any other planet, marriage took place in Jupiter's MD.

But Ketu and Saturn have nearly equal aspect on 7th. Ketu has Yuti

relation with Jupiter, but Saturn has a yuti relation with lord of the

7th house Moon. Firstly, Jupiter's being lord of 3rd and 12th

houses and being merely samagrihi in 11th house is far weaker than

exalted Saturn in 9th house with lord of 7th Moon. Hence, yuti relation

with Jupiter is not imparting enough weightage to Ketu in its

contention with Saturn as a force to reckon with as regards 7th house.

Secondly, Jupiter is friendly to both Ketu and Saturn in bhavachalita,

but in D9 Jupiter is friendly to Saturn but enmical (tatkalika) to

Ketu, the latter being further weakened by being placed in 12th house.

It forced Ketu out of the race, and made Saturn factor of AD.

Moon in spite of being lord of 7th house had only 10' aspect and in D9

was debilitated in D9, hence it went out of the race. Mercury is

combust (asta) with debilitated Sun, hence it was powerless. Jayakaraka

Venus is lord of 8th house, resides in 6th and has no aspect on 7th.

Hence it had no effect on marriage. In bhavachalita, all other planets

are totally ineffective in this regard. In D9, exalted Saturn has yuti

relation with Mercury and Rahu. Since Mercury is combust in

bhavachalita, Rahu emerges as the most powerful contender for factor

behind pratyantara dasha when we consider the combined effect of

bhavachalita and D9. Among the remaining, we find Jayakaraka

Venus as factor of SD and Mercury sitting in 7th as factor of

Prandasha, in spite of their weaknesses, because all other planets are

totally ineffectve. Mercury is 10°:34':35'' degrees away from Sun

(after applying Saurpakshiya offset in longitudes according to ancient

canons), and is therefore not totally combust. Venus is also not too

bad, and therefore its property of Jayakaraka was not totally destroyed

on account of residing in 8th and lacking aspect on 7th.

Careful comparison of all planets in D1and D9 with regard to their

influences on 7th house should be made by readers to determine the five

planets needed for Vimshottari timing. D1 is bhavachalita and not

Rashi-chart, because BPHS explicitly uses the word Lagna for D1, and

ancient mathematical canon (Suryasiddhanta) defines Lagna as in terms

of elliptical ecliptic and not in terms of circular bha-vritta. If such

precautions are taken, measure of error in determination of time of

events will gradually reduce. In the chart of husband of this

native, two planets are so powerful for the 7th house that they were

repeated in Vimshottari sequence Ineffectiveness of other planets also

contributed to this. This

topic is growing too big. Such problems should be solved by means of

comparison of both types of softwares, popular ones, and

Suryasiddhantic. It is not possible to wipe out Suryasiddhanta in spite

of centuries of propaganda against it by Semitic invaders and their

intellectual offsprings. Suryasiddhanta is not a text of physical

astronomy, its Grahas are incarnations of gods. BPHS also holds same

views. Physical planets have no power to control destinies of men and

nations, and they cannot be propitiated either. If material planets are

accepted to be factors in astrology, their forces must be material

forces. But how can we compare the gigantic material forces of Sun and

Jupiter with Mercury ? And what is the material force of Rahu or Ketu ?

Injecting materialism in astrology is destroying it. Jyotisha, being

Vedanga, is a part of Veda, and is a part of religion rather than of

material science. Its criterion of truth is not heavenly position of

material objects perceived by sense organs, but the reliability of

Phalita (predictive branch of astrology). 2000 AD was the year of

minimum amount of offset in longitudes between Drikpakshiya (physical)

and Saurpakshiya (Suryasiddhantic) planets. Now, this offset has begun

to increase, and will reach the value of 180° in 23000 AD. When this

offset was considerable, no one talked of material objects.

Observatories are things of Kaliyuga. Astrological Grahas are deities

who control lives of creatures. Reading such arguments, some

people start crying wolf about obscurantism. But they forget that all

great scientists like Newton, Neils Bohr, Einstein and Schröedinger

were believers in God, the last of them being a staunch supporter of

Vedanta who got a Nobel Prize by proving through his Wave Mechanics

that material things are mere perceptions and nothing exists in the

universe excepting Waves (of Consciousness?) : this is what Badarayana

and Shankaracharya taught! My chief

concern here is to bring to notice some little known aspects of

Vimshottari and of the mathematical aspects of astrology. The purpose

of this topic is not to assert that Vimshottari is enough for timing of

events. There are other techniques in Vedic Astrology. But Vimshottari

is by far the most important of all, and its importance has reduced due

to three factors already pointed out by me : wrong ayanamsha, wrong

length of Vimshottari year, and wrong or no longitudinal offsets in

planetary positions. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it, not by merely discussing it ! Kundalee software is free for all. -VJ========================================

[Guest guest]

Hello Sreenah g,

 

 

  It is a nice mail to understnd more in depth of Vimshottari Dasa ,have u tried

there free software plz guide us on tht,Thanks Mohit

 

--- On Mon, 1/5/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

 

Sreenadh <sreesog

The Secret Behind Vimshottari Dasha System

(By Vinay Jha)

 

Monday, January 5, 2009, 9:46 AM

Dear All,

  The following article by Vinay Jha jee is taken from:http://jyotirvidya.

wetpaint. com/page/ Vimshottari+ Dasha 

Love and regards,

Sreenadh

 

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The Secret Behind Vimshottari Dasha SystemThere are many types of Dashas, ten of

which are based on Nakshatras. Vimshottari Dasha is held to be the most

important Dasha System in Jyotisha of Vedic-Puranic tradition. Most often,

astrologers of this tradition do not even take into consideration other dasha

systems and base their conclusions solely upon Vimshottari.

 

But there are two obstacles which prevent accurate timing of events with the

help of vimshottari system. One is the use of Drik-pakshiya mathematics, ie,

modern astronomy , for finding true longitudes of planets and ascendant, etc.

Second problem is the use of solar year for reckoning, in spite of the fact that

all ancient texts explicitly mention that the year of vimshottari system

comprises of 360 days only. Due to these two errors, the timing of events in

vimshottari system errs by many years.

 

Vimshottari system is based upon lunar nakshatra, hence its year ought to be

lunar. Indian tradition year is a ccombination of solar and lunar, known as

luni-solar year, like other ancient systems. In lunar year, there are 360 tithis

or lunar days, which is the year of vimshottari system. 360 tithis are equal to

354.37 solar days. Therefore, there is a difference of 3% between solar year and

vimshottari year. Add to this 3% error the difference on account of

Drik-pakshiya and Saur-pakshiya positions of Moon. Drik-pakshiya world is the

phenomenal sensory world , which is manifest to human sense organs. It is the

material world. Saur-pakshiya world is the non-material world in which deities

reside. All ancient texts of Vedic-Puranic tradition say that the Grahas of

Jyotisha are gods and are diverse incarnations of God. God and gods are

conscious entities and it is wrong to conceptualize them as material bodies.

Material planets intruded into astrology only

during past one or two millenia, but even today there are a large number of

astrologers in India who refuse to accept computer softwares based upon modern

astronomy, and use traditional almanacs or panchangas. These traditional

panchangas are crudely made, yet the vimshottari timings based upon them prove

to be far more accurate than those based upon materialist astronomy.. Now,

highly precise software based upon traditional Surya-siddhantic system is also

in the market, distributed as a freeware for philanthropic purpose. If

birth-time is approximately correct, and few very good or very bad events in the

life of a person is known, then precise birth-time can be fixed, and thereafter

very accurate forecasts can be drawn from this software, accurate upto

prana-dasha. This software has been tested for natural disasters like floods,

earthquakes, cyclones, etc and the result is 100% positive.. Total annual and

fortnightly (actually, during solar nakshatra)

rainfall data of past 135 years of India have been tested, and this software is

100% accurate. But this software is not based upon the faulty interpretation of

Surya-siddhanta by E. Burgess. Instead, ancient Surya-siddhantic methods have

been used in it.

 

The maximum amount of correction made in mean Moon according to Surya-siddhanta

is nearly 1.5 degrees less than that made according to modern astronomy. It is

nearly 1 / 9 of a nakshatra which is equal to 13˚:20� . Due to this

factor alone, vomshottari period of Venus, Saturn and Rahu (lunar node) will

vary by 2 years and more. Add to it the difference due to descrepancies between

Surya-siddhantic mean Moon with the mean Moon of materialist astronomy. And then

add the 3% error due to wrong year imposed upon vimshottari system. Total error

in timing of vimshottari dashas will be over 5 years in modern era, when

differences between mean planets of Surya-siddhanta show minimum divergence from

those of materialist astronomy. In distant ages, the difference was greater. In

21000 years, difference between Drik-pakshiya and Saur-pakshiya positions of

planets increases by 180Ëš. Within a few centuries, Drik-pakshiya astronomy

will lose its charm in

astrology as vimshottari dashas will show intolerable errors.

 

Even today, Drik-pakshiya astronomy gives errors of ± 5 years in timing of

vimshottari dashas. As a result, 19% of Maha-dashas and a much greater portion

of antar-dashas are wrong. Pratyantar, sukshma and prana dashas are almost

always in the wrong. As a result, astrologers take a recourse to other dasha

systems, palmistry, numerology, etc for satisfying their clients.. Very few

persons are trying to test the Surya-siddhantic software, due to the venomous

propaganda against Surya-siddhanta by materialists. Surya-siddhanta is not a

text of materialist astronomy, and it is interpreted materialistically by

materialists, by comparison with planetary positions. The proof of

Surya-siddhanta is Phalit Jyotisha ( predictive astrology) based upon it, it is

wrong to use modern astronomy as a yardstick for testing the reliability of

Surya-siddhanta. I have met persons who refuse to test Surya-siddhantic software

of Phalit Jyotisha named 'Kundalee', calling

Surya-siddhanta to be an outdated and useless work ! Even criminals get a

chance to prove themselves, but Surya-siddhanta is denied this chance in a

materialist age. By rejecting the only accurate method of astrology, who will

prove to be a loser ?

 

Now let us talk about the design of Vimshottari system. Arrange the planets

according to the plan as depicted in upper picture. This arrangement is based

upon planetary distances. Omit Rahu, Ketu and Moon initially, which are not full

planets. Inner planets, including Sun, are in the right half of the upper

picture. Outer planets are on the left side of the upper picture. Now add up

their duration of years as given in the vimshottari dasha system.. In left half,

we get

 

(Saturn 19) + (Jupiter 16) + (Mars 7) = 42 years

 

and in right half we get

 

(Mercury 17) + (Venus 20) + (Sun 6) = 43 years

 

Total of all 9 planets is 120 lunar years in the vimshottari system. Both halves

should have 60 years each. Left half in upper picture has a deficit of 18 years,

which only Rahu can give, and right half has a deficit of 17 years which only a

combination of Ketu and Moon can supply. Thus we get the lower picture of

vimshottari dasha system. Rahu and Ketu must be placed opposite to each other,

and Moon should be placed alongwith the Sun but not between Sun and any planet (

i.e., Venus). It is safe to put Rahu and Ketu away from Sun and Moon . Since

distances from the Sun was the basis of this plan, vimshottari dasha system

ought to start with Sun. As in the lower picture, we get the sequence Sun : Moon

: Mars : Rahu : Jupiter : Saturn : Mercury : Ketu : Venus which is the sequence

given in all ancient texts, esp. by Sage Parashara.

 

In adhyaya 3, khanda 16 of Chandogya Upanishada, there are 7 shlokas which

describe three stages in the lifespan of a person, being of 24, 44 and 48 years

respectively, which are the number of syllables in three important Vedic metres

Gayatri, Trishtup and Jagati. Total lifespan of a human being is here said to be

of 116 years.

 

In Vimshottari dasha system full lifespan of a human being is equal to 120 lunar

years, which is equal to 116.4 solar years which, when rounded off, is same as

that given in the Chandogya Upanishada.

 

One question remains to be answered : what is the rationale behind the number of

years assigned to different planets in the vimshottari dasha system ? Who will

find a plausible answer to this intriguing question ? -VJ

 

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Vimshottari Timings for Planets of Mixed AttributesOften a planet is both good

and bad, how to decide when we get which result?

 

Often a planet possesses both good and bad attributes. How we should decide when

we get which result during the dashas of such a planet of mixed attributes ? For

instance, if a student takes appears in an examination during the dasha of such

a planet, whether he/will get through or fail? Or will he hover at the passing

point ?

 

For instance, if Jupiter is in moolatrikona in a particular horoscope , it is

highly auspicious on account of that. But if it is lord of 6th and 11th houses

at the same time, it is highly malefic.

 

It is wrong to assume that these opposite attributes cancel each other. In

rainfall analysis, I found that such planets cause excessive rainfall on account

of being in moolatrikona, but cause destruction from rains and/or flooding due

to their malefic nature.

 

I have worked for many years in rain prediction, and there I had faced tricky

questions. What will be total amount of rainfall due to a planet which is good

(eg, exalted) and bad (eg, in 12th house)? The answer I found, from analysis of

past data of 136 years procured from IITM (Pune) is that net result will be

nearly ±5% of normal rainfall, if other planets do not influence that

particular region (ie, have no aspect and no relation with rain's karaka). But

places pierced (viddha) by malefic planets in Sarvatobhadra chakra in that

region will be badly hit by excessive or scanty rainfall depending upon

magnitude of aspect, and places pierced by benefics will be blessed with rains

conducive to good harvest.

 

In individual horoscopes, similar situations, however, produce different

problems. Many persons are confused about malefic and benefic planets. Jupiter

as lord of 3rd and 6th houses is malefic, but if it is situated in mooltrikona,

it is benefic as well. Now a question arises : when such a planet will give its

good results, and when its malefic fruits will be reaped ?

 

Rule-I :

 

The answer is simple : during MD (mahadasha) of Jupiter, one will get good

results during AD (antardasha) of Jupiter's own AD or ADs of friendly relatives,

and bad results during ADs of enmical planets. This principle works down to

prandasha level. For instance, if such a mixed Jupiter is karaka of

sukshma-dasha, it will give give good results during prana-dasha of its friends

and bad results during prana-dasha of its enemies.

 

For instance, a native topped school board exams during Jupiter's MD and

Jupiter's AD (pratyantara and sukshma were of auspicious planets too). But the

same native failed to get through the examinations just two years later during

AD of Saturn, although Saturn was lord of 4th and 5th houses and was therefore

auspicious for that native. The cause was mutual enmity and conjunction (yuti)

relation between Jupiter and Saturn. Jupiter gave its good results during its

own AD , but during Saturn's AD mainly the malefic results of Jupiter were

manifest, benefic results of both Jupiter and Saturn lied dormant. It was the

worst period in the life of that native. He could not leave his house for a long

period due to illness, depression and bad relations with everyone, and failed in

examinations.

 

But during Saturn's MD and Jupiter's AD, things were good for the same native,

because Saturn, being an auspicious planet (kendresh plus trikonesh) gave its

good results through its yuti relative jupiter, and suppressed the bad effects

of malefic Jupiter due to mutual enmity. It was the best period in the life of

same native and he excelled in whatever he attempted ! Thus, Jupiter's MD gave

both best and worst results in the life of a single native.

 

It is a general principle, which works only when aspects of both planets (eg,

planets causing MD and AD) are nearly equal upon the bhava we are analyzing. If

any one of them has very strong influence in comparison to the other planet over

that particular bhava, the stronger planet will break the above rule and give

its own good or bad fruits in proportion of its strength.

 

Net result becomes more complex when influences of other planets are also

considered, which we must do, because many influences are effective for whole

life irrespective of dasha. For instance, a person will not become long during

MD of Saturn and dwarf during MD of Mercury.

 

Rule-II :

 

Now let us consider another problem. Suppose we are in a situation in which we

an answer in binary language or yes or no. Eg., whether one will pass or fail in

an examination, live or die during a critical surgery, etc. Mixed answers will

not do under such circumstances. Such cases are rare when a patients neither

lives nor dies, and relapses in a coma, or a student's result is washed away by

floods in the board office.

 

In such situations, we have to evaluate the net auspiciousness or

inauspiciousness of all the five karaka planets of five levels of Vimshottari,

taking into account benefic and malefic properties of each of them. Long

practice coupled with intuition developed by means of inner purity helps in this

evaluation. During such an evaluation, an exalted planet in 12th mansion must be

counted as a normal planet.

 

Only general outlines are presented here. Both of above laws work always work

perfectly, but only when we follow the siddhanta (mathematics) of ancient sages.

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I said above " Both of above laws work always work perfectly, but only when we

follow the siddhanta (mathematics) of ancient sages. "

 

Prevalent methods of computing Vimshottari dashas contain two major sources of

error in timing, one on account of Drikpakshiya Moon and another on account of

wrong duration of 'year' used. Canonical texts strictly define Vimshottari' s

year to be of 360 days. Solar year is slightly over 365 days. Hence, Solar year

must not be used for Vimshottari. Vimshottari is made from lunar asterism

(nakshatra). Hence its year is lunar. Lunar year is of 360 lunar days (tithis).

This is Vimshottari' s year. Unfortunately, few astrologers use this correct

year for Vimshottari computations. As a result, there is a 3.07% error in the

length of Vimshottari year. If true moon is acurately computed, Vimshottari

timing at birth will be correct, but will err by one year after 32.57 years, by

two years after 65 years, and so on. As a result, 8% of mahadasha timings and

70% of antar-dasha timings will be wrong ! Very few persons will have accurate

pratyantaras in their

Vimshottari tables ! If birthtime true moon is also wrong, there will be

greater error !

 

Among all the Vedic softwares I have hitherto seen, only two softwares give the

option of selecting lunar year in computing Vimshottari, and few people take

advantage of these options ! New theories of predictive astrology (Phalit

Jyotisha) are being invented to account for the mismatch in predictions and

reality, instead of trying the ancient method of sages.

 

Some practising astrologers knew this mismatch in timing, but did not know the

reason. Dr Kameshwar Upadhyaya, former editor of Vishwa Panchanga published by

BHU (Benaras Hindu University), told me many years ago that all planets start

giving results many months before their real Vimshottari timing begins. At that

time, he was using solar year for Vimshottari reckoning. He is one of the most

busy practising astrologers of Varanasi and has analysed a remendous number of

horoscopes made with the help of all sorts of methods. Now he is convinced that

lunar year should be used for Vimshottari reckoning, but fears that majority of

astrologers will become his opponent due to professional reasons, hence keeps

quiet but uses lunar year in his own computations. Same is the case with some

other reputed astrologers.

 

But there is another, more serious, problem : use of Drikpakshiya Moon in Vedic

Astrology, which results in considerable error in Vimshottari reckoning. But the

magnitude of this error remains constant throughout the life of a native. For

instance, if a planet starts giving its results 6 months before its computed

time according to lunar year, all planets will show same error of 6 months

throughout the life of that native. Hence, it will be easy to recognize that

there is an error of 6 months, which can be remedied by using Saurpakshiya

correctives according to ancient techniques. Magnitude of this error is

different for different persons, sometimes running into years !

 

How long this wrong Vimshottari year will prevail is a matter of our collective

choice. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. Predictive (Phalita) astrology

of Vedic sages is an exact science, provided we keep true to their Ganita.

Grahas of Vedic Jyotisha are deities, according to all ancient authorities, and

deities cannot be perceived sensorily. I have dared to write on this blasphemous

topic in an age of materialism, in which material objects of sky are believed to

be deities. Let me see what is the reaction ! -VJ

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The Secret Magic of Vimshottari

It is a universally accepted fact that any faultless astrological technique of

exact timing of events either does not exist or lies hidden, although philistine

astrologers (nakshatrasoochakas ) may declare themselves to be omniscient.

 

All known methods in Vedic Astrology can be divided into two categories, as far

as mathematics is concerned : (1) those dependent upon modern physical astronomy

and (2) those relying on traditional methods. Both these categories have

numerous variants. Major problem in the first camp is astrologically correct

value of ayanamsha, and main problem in second camp is computational crudities

of various types.

 

We assume that both these camps take for granted that in mathematics sidereal

(nirayana) system is correct and in predictive astrology (phalita jyotisha)

Brihat-Parashara- Hora-Shastra (BPHS) and ancient texts based on or akin to BPHS

are to be relied upon, because that is the accepted meaning of Vedic Astrology

or Jyotisha.

 

There cannot be mutually incompatible two correct techniques of timing, either

both of them or at least one of them must be incorrect. As far as the first

school based on physical astronomy is concerned, all possible values of

ayanamsha have been experimented with during past one hundred years, without any

conclusive outcome in the favour of any single value of ayanamsha. It proves

that even after we get some perfect solution to the problem of ayanamsha, there

must be other unrecognized errors which must be removed if we want any exact

technique in timing of events. One such source of error is erroneous length of

the Vimshottari year. Some software developers, like Sri Jyoti Star in the USA

and Kundalee in India, have experimented with various types of Vimshottari

years, without any conclusive result, because a third source of error was never

noticed by any practitioner of Vedic Astrology among the computer using guys :

hidden Saurpakshiya offsets in

Drikpakshiya longitudes of planets. Most of the computer using astrologers

might not have heard these esoteric terms, whiich are fundamental in the

curriculum of Vedic Jyotisha taught in Sanskrit universities of India. These are

ancient concepts, and Ketaki system had revived these concepts during 20th

century. Kamlakara Bhatta was the most staunch proponent of this Saurpakshiya

mathematics during recent centuries, but due to Western hegemony and faith in

modern science this ancient system was never tried by any software developer.

 

Many reputed scholars of Sanskrit universities on India have concluded that

unless this beejsamskrita (offset corrected) method of Suryasidhanta is adopted,

foolproof timing of events will remain a distant dream. On 18 Oct 2005, after

two days of discussions in a conference held at Sampoornanand Sanskrit

University in Varanasi, an unanimous decision was taken by academic stalwarts

from six states of India that all panchangas of India ought to be made according

to Suryasidhanta and a committee headed by me (Vinay Jha) was formed to

implement this unanimous decision, whose parties were Dr Nagendra Pandey

(currently HOD of Jyotisha at Sampoornanand Sanskrit University in Varanasi), Dr

Shukdeva Chaturvedi (former HOD of Lalbahadur Shastri Kendriya Vidyapeetha in

Delhi), Dr Ramchandra Pandey (former HOD of Jyotisha of Benaras Hindu

University, Varanasi), Dr Radhakanta Mishra (currently HOD of Jyotisha at KSD

Sanskrit University in Bihar), etc. This unanimous

decision was implemented and eight panchangas were started in many states of

India and a horoscope making Kundalee software was also launched, based on the

same beejsamskrita Suryasidhantic mathematics.

 

Mathematical discussion of this tricky affair is not advisable here. My aim here

is merely to illustrate, with some examples, this traditional method of Vedic

Ganita (mathematics) , which was simply known as Siddhanta (theory) by all

ancient astrologers of India. Without a sound Siddhanta, a sound predictive

astrology is just impossible. There were 18 ancient Siddhantas, of which Surya

Siddhanta was lauded as the best by Varah Mihir. The beauty and greatness of

BPHS cannot be properly fathomed unless we use the Ganita (Surya Siddhanta) of

those very ancient masters who created Phalita.

 

Some rules must be observed before we proceed. Rashi chart should be used only

for determining friendships, aspects, strengths, debilities, etc of planets.

Predictive work should be entirely based upon the Bhava-chalita kundali. Many

astrologers use Rashi kundali for predictons because it saves time, and this

habit has now become almost a rule ! Ascendant is defined as a point in

ecliptic. The latter is elliptical. Hence, ascendant and consequent bhavas are

all parts of this solar ellipse. Rashi kundali is circular and therefore all 12

parts are equal. But bhavachalita kundali is elliptical because its 12 bhavas

are unequal.

 

Now we come to our main theme. Birthtime bhavachalita (D1) and navamamsha (D9)

kundalis and associated aspect charts are given in following two pictures. Let

us explore the timing of marriage of a registered user (cf. http://www.mysticbo

ard.com/viewtopi c.php?t=58583 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & start=0) according to

BPHS and Laghuparashari. All the rules and techniques used below are well known

to all Vedic astrologers, but these rules work with perfection only if all the

three mathematical offsets are taken into account. Following analysis is based

on a software (Kundalee) in which all necessary corrections proposed by

aforementioned academics have been taken into account.

 

Birthtime : 17:07:1983 at 19:34, Nellore (14:27 N, 80:02 E)

Marriage time : 10:08:2006 at 11:04, Hyderabad

 

Saurpakshiya Vimshottari at the time of marriage :

MahaDasha(MD) = Jup, AD = Sat, PD = Rahu,SD = Ven,PrD = Merc

Let us consider birthtime Bhava-chalita (D1) and Navamasha(D9) charts. Following

is the aspects (max. 60) on 7th house :

Jup = 51 ; Ketu = 39 ; Sat = 38 ; Moon = 10 ; Rahu = 6 ; others = 0.

Merury resides in 7th house.

 

Due to more aspect on 7th house than any other planet, marriage took place in

Jupiter's MD.

 

But Ketu and Saturn have nearly equal aspect on 7th. Ketu has Yuti relation with

Jupiter, but Saturn has a yuti relation with lord of the 7th house Moon.

 

Firstly, Jupiter's being lord of 3rd and 12th houses and being merely samagrihi

in 11th house is far weaker than exalted Saturn in 9th house with lord of 7th

Moon. Hence, yuti relation with Jupiter is not imparting enough weightage to

Ketu in its contention with Saturn as a force to reckon with as regards 7th

house.

 

Secondly, Jupiter is friendly to both Ketu and Saturn in bhavachalita, but in D9

Jupiter is friendly to Saturn but enmical (tatkalika) to Ketu, the latter being

further weakened by being placed in 12th house. It forced Ketu out of the race,

and made Saturn factor of AD.

 

Moon in spite of being lord of 7th house had only 10' aspect and in D9 was

debilitated in D9, hence it went out of the race. Mercury is combust (asta) with

debilitated Sun, hence it was powerless. Jayakaraka Venus is lord of 8th house,

resides in 6th and has no aspect on 7th. Hence it had no effect on marriage. In

bhavachalita, all other planets are totally ineffective in this regard. In D9,

exalted Saturn has yuti relation with Mercury and Rahu. Since Mercury is combust

in bhavachalita, Rahu emerges as the most powerful contender for factor behind

pratyantara dasha when we consider the combined effect of bhavachalita and D9.

 

Among the remaining, we find Jayakaraka Venus as factor of SD and Mercury

sitting in 7th as factor of Prandasha, in spite of their weaknesses, because all

other planets are totally ineffectve. Mercury is 10°:34':35'' degrees away from

Sun (after applying Saurpakshiya offset in longitudes according to ancient

canons), and is therefore not totally combust. Venus is also not too bad, and

therefore its property of Jayakaraka was not totally destroyed on account of

residing in 8th and lacking aspect on 7th.

 

Careful comparison of all planets in D1and D9 with regard to their influences on

7th house should be made by readers to determine the five planets needed for

Vimshottari timing. D1 is bhavachalita and not Rashi-chart, because BPHS

explicitly uses the word Lagna for D1, and ancient mathematical canon

(Suryasiddhanta) defines Lagna as in terms of elliptical ecliptic and not in

terms of circular bha-vritta. If such precautions are taken, measure of error in

determination of time of events will gradually reduce.

In the chart of husband of this native, two planets are so powerful for the 7th

house that they were repeated in Vimshottari sequence Ineffectiveness of other

planets also contributed to this.

 

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--------- ---This topic is growing too big. Such problems should be solved by

means of comparison of both types of softwares, popular ones, and

Suryasiddhantic. It is not possible to wipe out Suryasiddhanta in spite of

centuries of propaganda against it by Semitic invaders and their intellectual

offsprings. Suryasiddhanta is not a text of physical astronomy, its Grahas are

incarnations of gods. BPHS also holds same views. Physical planets have no power

to control destinies of men and nations, and they cannot be propitiated either.

If material planets are accepted to be factors in astrology, their forces must

be material forces. But how can we compare the gigantic material forces of Sun

and Jupiter with Mercury ? And what is the material force of Rahu or Ketu ?

Injecting materialism in astrology is destroying it. Jyotisha, being Vedanga, is

a part of Veda, and is a part of religion

rather than of material science. Its criterion of truth is not heavenly

position of material objects perceived by sense organs, but the reliability of

Phalita (predictive branch of astrology). 2000 AD was the year of minimum amount

of offset in longitudes between Drikpakshiya (physical) and Saurpakshiya

(Suryasiddhantic) planets. Now, this offset has begun to increase, and will

reach the value of 180° in 23000 AD. When this offset was considerable, no one

talked of material objects. Observatories are things of Kaliyuga. Astrological

Grahas are deities who control lives of creatures.

 

Reading such arguments, some people start crying wolf about obscurantism. But

they forget that all great scientists like Newton, Neils Bohr, Einstein and

Schröedinger were believers in God, the last of them being a staunch supporter

of Vedanta who got a Nobel Prize by proving through his Wave Mechanics that

material things are mere perceptions and nothing exists in the universe

excepting Waves (of Consciousness? ) : this is what Badarayana and

Shankaracharya taught!

My chief concern here is to bring to notice some little known aspects of

Vimshottari and of the mathematical aspects of astrology. The purpose of this

topic is not to assert that Vimshottari is enough for timing of events. There

are other techniques in Vedic Astrology. But Vimshottari is by far the most

important of all, and its importance has reduced due to three factors already

pointed out by me : wrong ayanamsha, wrong length of Vimshottari year, and wrong

or no longitudinal offsets in planetary positions.

 

Test of the pudding lies in tasting it, not by merely discussing it ! Kundalee

software is free for all. -VJ

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Hi Mohit ji, I am yet to try Kundalee software by Vinay Jha ji. It is available for download at: http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/ But I can assure you that it is good software, and I know that it is one of the favorite software of our reputed group members Srinivas ji. You can clarify any major doubts regarding the same with Vinay Jha ji himself since he too is one of our reputed group members.Love and regards,Sreenadh , Mohit Virmani <mohitvirmani33 wrote:>> Hello Sreenah g,> > > It is a nice mail to understnd more in depth of Vimshottari Dasa ,have u tried there free software plz guide us on tht,Thanks Mohit> > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Sreenadh sreesog wrote:> > Sreenadh sreesog The Secret Behind Vimshottari Dasha System (By Vinay Jha)> > Monday, January 5, 2009, 9:46 AM> Dear All,> The following article by Vinay Jha jee is taken from:http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vimshottari+ Dasha > Love and regards,> Sreenadh> > ============ ========= ========= ========= => > The Secret Behind Vimshottari Dasha SystemThere are many types of Dashas, ten of which are based on Nakshatras. Vimshottari Dasha is held to be the most important Dasha System in Jyotisha of Vedic-Puranic tradition. Most often, astrologers of this tradition do not even take into consideration other dasha systems and base their conclusions solely upon Vimshottari.> > But there are two obstacles which prevent accurate timing of events with the help of vimshottari system. One is the use of Drik-pakshiya mathematics, ie, modern astronomy , for finding true longitudes of planets and ascendant, etc. Second problem is the use of solar year for reckoning, in spite of the fact that all ancient texts explicitly mention that the year of vimshottari system comprises of 360 days only. Due to these two errors, the timing of events in vimshottari system errs by many years.> > Vimshottari system is based upon lunar nakshatra, hence its year ought to be lunar. Indian tradition year is a ccombination of solar and lunar, known as luni-solar year, like other ancient systems. In lunar year, there are 360 tithis or lunar days, which is the year of vimshottari system. 360 tithis are equal to 354.37 solar days. Therefore, there is a difference of 3% between solar year and vimshottari year. Add to this 3% error the difference on account of Drik-pakshiya and Saur-pakshiya positions of Moon. Drik-pakshiya world is the phenomenal sensory world , which is manifest to human sense organs. It is the material world. Saur-pakshiya world is the non-material world in which deities reside. All ancient texts of Vedic-Puranic tradition say that the Grahas of Jyotisha are gods and are diverse incarnations of God. God and gods are conscious entities and it is wrong to conceptualize them as material bodies. Material planets intruded into astrology only> during past one or two millenia, but even today there are a large number of astrologers in India who refuse to accept computer softwares based upon modern astronomy, and use traditional almanacs or panchangas. These traditional panchangas are crudely made, yet the vimshottari timings based upon them prove to be far more accurate than those based upon materialist astronomy.. Now, highly precise software based upon traditional Surya-siddhantic system is also in the market, distributed as a freeware for philanthropic purpose. If birth-time is approximately correct, and few very good or very bad events in the life of a person is known, then precise birth-time can be fixed, and thereafter very accurate forecasts can be drawn from this software, accurate upto prana-dasha. This software has been tested for natural disasters like floods, earthquakes, cyclones, etc and the result is 100% positive.. Total annual and fortnightly (actually, during solar nakshatra)> rainfall data of past 135 years of India have been tested, and this software is 100% accurate. But this software is not based upon the faulty interpretation of Surya-siddhanta by E. Burgess. Instead, ancient Surya-siddhantic methods have been used in it.> > The maximum amount of correction made in mean Moon according to Surya-siddhanta is nearly 1.5 degrees less than that made according to modern astronomy. It is nearly 1 / 9 of a nakshatra which is equal to 13Ëš:20Ì� . Due to this factor alone, vomshottari period of Venus, Saturn and Rahu (lunar node) will vary by 2 years and more. Add to it the difference due to descrepancies between Surya-siddhantic mean Moon with the mean Moon of materialist astronomy. And then add the 3% error due to wrong year imposed upon vimshottari system. Total error in timing of vimshottari dashas will be over 5 years in modern era, when differences between mean planets of Surya-siddhanta show minimum divergence from those of materialist astronomy. In distant ages, the difference was greater. In 21000 years, difference between Drik-pakshiya and Saur-pakshiya positions of planets increases by 180Ëš. Within a few centuries, Drik-pakshiya astronomy will lose its charm in> astrology as vimshottari dashas will show intolerable errors.> > Even today, Drik-pakshiya astronomy gives errors of ± 5 years in timing of vimshottari dashas. As a result, 19% of Maha-dashas and a much greater portion of antar-dashas are wrong. Pratyantar, sukshma and prana dashas are almost always in the wrong. As a result, astrologers take a recourse to other dasha systems, palmistry, numerology, etc for satisfying their clients.. Very few persons are trying to test the Surya-siddhantic software, due to the venomous propaganda against Surya-siddhanta by materialists. Surya-siddhanta is not a text of materialist astronomy, and it is interpreted materialistically by materialists, by comparison with planetary positions. The proof of Surya-siddhanta is Phalit Jyotisha ( predictive astrology) based upon it, it is wrong to use modern astronomy as a yardstick for testing the reliability of Surya-siddhanta. I have met persons who refuse to test Surya-siddhantic software of Phalit Jyotisha named 'Kundalee', calling> Surya-siddhanta to be an outdated and useless work ! Even criminals get a chance to prove themselves, but Surya-siddhanta is denied this chance in a materialist age. By rejecting the only accurate method of astrology, who will prove to be a loser ?> > Now let us talk about the design of Vimshottari system. Arrange the planets according to the plan as depicted in upper picture. This arrangement is based upon planetary distances. Omit Rahu, Ketu and Moon initially, which are not full planets. Inner planets, including Sun, are in the right half of the upper picture. Outer planets are on the left side of the upper picture. Now add up their duration of years as given in the vimshottari dasha system.. In left half, we get> > (Saturn 19) + (Jupiter 16) + (Mars 7) = 42 years> > and in right half we get> > (Mercury 17) + (Venus 20) + (Sun 6) = 43 years> > Total of all 9 planets is 120 lunar years in the vimshottari system. Both halves should have 60 years each. Left half in upper picture has a deficit of 18 years, which only Rahu can give, and right half has a deficit of 17 years which only a combination of Ketu and Moon can supply. Thus we get the lower picture of vimshottari dasha system. Rahu and Ketu must be placed opposite to each other, and Moon should be placed alongwith the Sun but not between Sun and any planet ( i.e., Venus). It is safe to put Rahu and Ketu away from Sun and Moon . Since distances from the Sun was the basis of this plan, vimshottari dasha system ought to start with Sun. As in the lower picture, we get the sequence Sun : Moon : Mars : Rahu : Jupiter : Saturn : Mercury : Ketu : Venus which is the sequence given in all ancient texts, esp. by Sage Parashara.> > In adhyaya 3, khanda 16 of Chandogya Upanishada, there are 7 shlokas which describe three stages in the lifespan of a person, being of 24, 44 and 48 years respectively, which are the number of syllables in three important Vedic metres Gayatri, Trishtup and Jagati. Total lifespan of a human being is here said to be of 116 years.> > In Vimshottari dasha system full lifespan of a human being is equal to 120 lunar years, which is equal to 116.4 solar years which, when rounded off, is same as that given in the Chandogya Upanishada.> > One question remains to be answered : what is the rationale behind the number of years assigned to different planets in the vimshottari dasha system ? Who will find a plausible answer to this intriguing question ? -VJ> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= =======> Vimshottari Timings for Planets of Mixed AttributesOften a planet is both good and bad, how to decide when we get which result?> > Often a planet possesses both good and bad attributes. How we should decide when we get which result during the dashas of such a planet of mixed attributes ? For instance, if a student takes appears in an examination during the dasha of such a planet, whether he/will get through or fail? Or will he hover at the passing point ?> > For instance, if Jupiter is in moolatrikona in a particular horoscope , it is highly auspicious on account of that. But if it is lord of 6th and 11th houses at the same time, it is highly malefic.> > It is wrong to assume that these opposite attributes cancel each other. In rainfall analysis, I found that such planets cause excessive rainfall on account of being in moolatrikona, but cause destruction from rains and/or flooding due to their malefic nature.> > I have worked for many years in rain prediction, and there I had faced tricky questions. What will be total amount of rainfall due to a planet which is good (eg, exalted) and bad (eg, in 12th house)? The answer I found, from analysis of past data of 136 years procured from IITM (Pune) is that net result will be nearly ±5% of normal rainfall, if other planets do not influence that particular region (ie, have no aspect and no relation with rain's karaka). But places pierced (viddha) by malefic planets in Sarvatobhadra chakra in that region will be badly hit by excessive or scanty rainfall depending upon magnitude of aspect, and places pierced by benefics will be blessed with rains conducive to good harvest.> > In individual horoscopes, similar situations, however, produce different problems. Many persons are confused about malefic and benefic planets. Jupiter as lord of 3rd and 6th houses is malefic, but if it is situated in mooltrikona, it is benefic as well. Now a question arises : when such a planet will give its good results, and when its malefic fruits will be reaped ?> > Rule-I :> > The answer is simple : during MD (mahadasha) of Jupiter, one will get good results during AD (antardasha) of Jupiter's own AD or ADs of friendly relatives, and bad results during ADs of enmical planets. This principle works down to prandasha level. For instance, if such a mixed Jupiter is karaka of sukshma-dasha, it will give give good results during prana-dasha of its friends and bad results during prana-dasha of its enemies.> > For instance, a native topped school board exams during Jupiter's MD and Jupiter's AD (pratyantara and sukshma were of auspicious planets too). But the same native failed to get through the examinations just two years later during AD of Saturn, although Saturn was lord of 4th and 5th houses and was therefore auspicious for that native. The cause was mutual enmity and conjunction (yuti) relation between Jupiter and Saturn. Jupiter gave its good results during its own AD , but during Saturn's AD mainly the malefic results of Jupiter were manifest, benefic results of both Jupiter and Saturn lied dormant. It was the worst period in the life of that native. He could not leave his house for a long period due to illness, depression and bad relations with everyone, and failed in examinations.> > But during Saturn's MD and Jupiter's AD, things were good for the same native, because Saturn, being an auspicious planet (kendresh plus trikonesh) gave its good results through its yuti relative jupiter, and suppressed the bad effects of malefic Jupiter due to mutual enmity. It was the best period in the life of same native and he excelled in whatever he attempted ! Thus, Jupiter's MD gave both best and worst results in the life of a single native.> > It is a general principle, which works only when aspects of both planets (eg, planets causing MD and AD) are nearly equal upon the bhava we are analyzing. If any one of them has very strong influence in comparison to the other planet over that particular bhava, the stronger planet will break the above rule and give its own good or bad fruits in proportion of its strength.> > Net result becomes more complex when influences of other planets are also considered, which we must do, because many influences are effective for whole life irrespective of dasha. For instance, a person will not become long during MD of Saturn and dwarf during MD of Mercury.> > Rule-II :> > Now let us consider another problem. Suppose we are in a situation in which we an answer in binary language or yes or no. Eg., whether one will pass or fail in an examination, live or die during a critical surgery, etc. Mixed answers will not do under such circumstances. Such cases are rare when a patients neither lives nor dies, and relapses in a coma, or a student's result is washed away by floods in the board office.> > In such situations, we have to evaluate the net auspiciousness or inauspiciousness of all the five karaka planets of five levels of Vimshottari, taking into account benefic and malefic properties of each of them. Long practice coupled with intuition developed by means of inner purity helps in this evaluation. During such an evaluation, an exalted planet in 12th mansion must be counted as a normal planet.> > Only general outlines are presented here. Both of above laws work always work perfectly, but only when we follow the siddhanta (mathematics) of ancient sages.> ============ ========= ========= ========= ======> I said above "Both of above laws work always work perfectly, but only when we follow the siddhanta (mathematics) of ancient sages."> > Prevalent methods of computing Vimshottari dashas contain two major sources of error in timing, one on account of Drikpakshiya Moon and another on account of wrong duration of 'year' used. Canonical texts strictly define Vimshottari' s year to be of 360 days. Solar year is slightly over 365 days. Hence, Solar year must not be used for Vimshottari. Vimshottari is made from lunar asterism (nakshatra). Hence its year is lunar. Lunar year is of 360 lunar days (tithis). This is Vimshottari' s year. Unfortunately, few astrologers use this correct year for Vimshottari computations. As a result, there is a 3.07% error in the length of Vimshottari year. If true moon is acurately computed, Vimshottari timing at birth will be correct, but will err by one year after 32.57 years, by two years after 65 years, and so on. As a result, 8% of mahadasha timings and 70% of antar-dasha timings will be wrong ! Very few persons will have accurate pratyantaras in their> Vimshottari tables ! If birthtime true moon is also wrong, there will be greater error !> > Among all the Vedic softwares I have hitherto seen, only two softwares give the option of selecting lunar year in computing Vimshottari, and few people take advantage of these options ! New theories of predictive astrology (Phalit Jyotisha) are being invented to account for the mismatch in predictions and reality, instead of trying the ancient method of sages.> > Some practising astrologers knew this mismatch in timing, but did not know the reason. Dr Kameshwar Upadhyaya, former editor of Vishwa Panchanga published by BHU (Benaras Hindu University), told me many years ago that all planets start giving results many months before their real Vimshottari timing begins. At that time, he was using solar year for Vimshottari reckoning. He is one of the most busy practising astrologers of Varanasi and has analysed a remendous number of horoscopes made with the help of all sorts of methods. Now he is convinced that lunar year should be used for Vimshottari reckoning, but fears that majority of astrologers will become his opponent due to professional reasons, hence keeps quiet but uses lunar year in his own computations. Same is the case with some other reputed astrologers.> > But there is another, more serious, problem : use of Drikpakshiya Moon in Vedic Astrology, which results in considerable error in Vimshottari reckoning. But the magnitude of this error remains constant throughout the life of a native. For instance, if a planet starts giving its results 6 months before its computed time according to lunar year, all planets will show same error of 6 months throughout the life of that native. Hence, it will be easy to recognize that there is an error of 6 months, which can be remedied by using Saurpakshiya correctives according to ancient techniques. Magnitude of this error is different for different persons, sometimes running into years !> > How long this wrong Vimshottari year will prevail is a matter of our collective choice. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it. Predictive (Phalita) astrology of Vedic sages is an exact science, provided we keep true to their Ganita. Grahas of Vedic Jyotisha are deities, according to all ancient authorities, and deities cannot be perceived sensorily. I have dared to write on this blasphemous topic in an age of materialism, in which material objects of sky are believed to be deities. Let me see what is the reaction ! -VJ> ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ========= ====> > The Secret Magic of Vimshottari> It is a universally accepted fact that any faultless astrological technique of exact timing of events either does not exist or lies hidden, although philistine astrologers (nakshatrasoochakas ) may declare themselves to be omniscient.> > All known methods in Vedic Astrology can be divided into two categories, as far as mathematics is concerned : (1) those dependent upon modern physical astronomy and (2) those relying on traditional methods. Both these categories have numerous variants. Major problem in the first camp is astrologically correct value of ayanamsha, and main problem in second camp is computational crudities of various types.> > We assume that both these camps take for granted that in mathematics sidereal (nirayana) system is correct and in predictive astrology (phalita jyotisha) Brihat-Parashara- Hora-Shastra (BPHS) and ancient texts based on or akin to BPHS are to be relied upon, because that is the accepted meaning of Vedic Astrology or Jyotisha.> > There cannot be mutually incompatible two correct techniques of timing, either both of them or at least one of them must be incorrect. As far as the first school based on physical astronomy is concerned, all possible values of ayanamsha have been experimented with during past one hundred years, without any conclusive outcome in the favour of any single value of ayanamsha. It proves that even after we get some perfect solution to the problem of ayanamsha, there must be other unrecognized errors which must be removed if we want any exact technique in timing of events. One such source of error is erroneous length of the Vimshottari year. Some software developers, like Sri Jyoti Star in the USA and Kundalee in India, have experimented with various types of Vimshottari years, without any conclusive result, because a third source of error was never noticed by any practitioner of Vedic Astrology among the computer using guys : hidden Saurpakshiya offsets in> Drikpakshiya longitudes of planets. Most of the computer using astrologers might not have heard these esoteric terms, whiich are fundamental in the curriculum of Vedic Jyotisha taught in Sanskrit universities of India. These are ancient concepts, and Ketaki system had revived these concepts during 20th century. Kamlakara Bhatta was the most staunch proponent of this Saurpakshiya mathematics during recent centuries, but due to Western hegemony and faith in modern science this ancient system was never tried by any software developer.> > Many reputed scholars of Sanskrit universities on India have concluded that unless this beejsamskrita (offset corrected) method of Suryasidhanta is adopted, foolproof timing of events will remain a distant dream. On 18 Oct 2005, after two days of discussions in a conference held at Sampoornanand Sanskrit University in Varanasi, an unanimous decision was taken by academic stalwarts from six states of India that all panchangas of India ought to be made according to Suryasidhanta and a committee headed by me (Vinay Jha) was formed to implement this unanimous decision, whose parties were Dr Nagendra Pandey (currently HOD of Jyotisha at Sampoornanand Sanskrit University in Varanasi), Dr Shukdeva Chaturvedi (former HOD of Lalbahadur Shastri Kendriya Vidyapeetha in Delhi), Dr Ramchandra Pandey (former HOD of Jyotisha of Benaras Hindu University, Varanasi), Dr Radhakanta Mishra (currently HOD of Jyotisha at KSD Sanskrit University in Bihar), etc. This unanimous> decision was implemented and eight panchangas were started in many states of India and a horoscope making Kundalee software was also launched, based on the same beejsamskrita Suryasidhantic mathematics.> > Mathematical discussion of this tricky affair is not advisable here. My aim here is merely to illustrate, with some examples, this traditional method of Vedic Ganita (mathematics) , which was simply known as Siddhanta (theory) by all ancient astrologers of India. Without a sound Siddhanta, a sound predictive astrology is just impossible. There were 18 ancient Siddhantas, of which Surya Siddhanta was lauded as the best by Varah Mihir. The beauty and greatness of BPHS cannot be properly fathomed unless we use the Ganita (Surya Siddhanta) of those very ancient masters who created Phalita.> > Some rules must be observed before we proceed. Rashi chart should be used only for determining friendships, aspects, strengths, debilities, etc of planets. Predictive work should be entirely based upon the Bhava-chalita kundali. Many astrologers use Rashi kundali for predictons because it saves time, and this habit has now become almost a rule ! Ascendant is defined as a point in ecliptic. The latter is elliptical. Hence, ascendant and consequent bhavas are all parts of this solar ellipse. Rashi kundali is circular and therefore all 12 parts are equal. But bhavachalita kundali is elliptical because its 12 bhavas are unequal.> > Now we come to our main theme. Birthtime bhavachalita (D1) and navamamsha (D9) kundalis and associated aspect charts are given in following two pictures. Let us explore the timing of marriage of a registered user (cf. http://www.mysticbo ard.com/viewtopi c.php?t=58583 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & start=0) according to BPHS and Laghuparashari. All the rules and techniques used below are well known to all Vedic astrologers, but these rules work with perfection only if all the three mathematical offsets are taken into account. Following analysis is based on a software (Kundalee) in which all necessary corrections proposed by aforementioned academics have been taken into account.> > Birthtime : 17:07:1983 at 19:34, Nellore (14:27 N, 80:02 E)> Marriage time : 10:08:2006 at 11:04, Hyderabad> > Saurpakshiya Vimshottari at the time of marriage :> MahaDasha(MD) = Jup, AD = Sat, PD = Rahu,SD = Ven,PrD = Merc> Let us consider birthtime Bhava-chalita (D1) and Navamasha(D9) charts. Following is the aspects (max. 60) on 7th house :> Jup = 51 ; Ketu = 39 ; Sat = 38 ; Moon = 10 ; Rahu = 6 ; others = 0.> Merury resides in 7th house.> > Due to more aspect on 7th house than any other planet, marriage took place in Jupiter's MD.> > But Ketu and Saturn have nearly equal aspect on 7th. Ketu has Yuti relation with Jupiter, but Saturn has a yuti relation with lord of the 7th house Moon.> > Firstly, Jupiter's being lord of 3rd and 12th houses and being merely samagrihi in 11th house is far weaker than exalted Saturn in 9th house with lord of 7th Moon. Hence, yuti relation with Jupiter is not imparting enough weightage to Ketu in its contention with Saturn as a force to reckon with as regards 7th house.> > Secondly, Jupiter is friendly to both Ketu and Saturn in bhavachalita, but in D9 Jupiter is friendly to Saturn but enmical (tatkalika) to Ketu, the latter being further weakened by being placed in 12th house. It forced Ketu out of the race, and made Saturn factor of AD.> > Moon in spite of being lord of 7th house had only 10' aspect and in D9 was debilitated in D9, hence it went out of the race. Mercury is combust (asta) with debilitated Sun, hence it was powerless. Jayakaraka Venus is lord of 8th house, resides in 6th and has no aspect on 7th. Hence it had no effect on marriage. In bhavachalita, all other planets are totally ineffective in this regard. In D9, exalted Saturn has yuti relation with Mercury and Rahu. Since Mercury is combust in bhavachalita, Rahu emerges as the most powerful contender for factor behind pratyantara dasha when we consider the combined effect of bhavachalita and D9.> > Among the remaining, we find Jayakaraka Venus as factor of SD and Mercury sitting in 7th as factor of Prandasha, in spite of their weaknesses, because all other planets are totally ineffectve. Mercury is 10°:34':35'' degrees away from Sun (after applying Saurpakshiya offset in longitudes according to ancient canons), and is therefore not totally combust. Venus is also not too bad, and therefore its property of Jayakaraka was not totally destroyed on account of residing in 8th and lacking aspect on 7th.> > Careful comparison of all planets in D1and D9 with regard to their influences on 7th house should be made by readers to determine the five planets needed for Vimshottari timing. D1 is bhavachalita and not Rashi-chart, because BPHS explicitly uses the word Lagna for D1, and ancient mathematical canon (Suryasiddhanta) defines Lagna as in terms of elliptical ecliptic and not in terms of circular bha-vritta. If such precautions are taken, measure of error in determination of time of events will gradually reduce.> In the chart of husband of this native, two planets are so powerful for the 7th house that they were repeated in Vimshottari sequence Ineffectiveness of other planets also contributed to this.> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- ---This topic is growing too big. Such problems should be solved by means of comparison of both types of softwares, popular ones, and Suryasiddhantic. It is not possible to wipe out Suryasiddhanta in spite of centuries of propaganda against it by Semitic invaders and their intellectual offsprings. Suryasiddhanta is not a text of physical astronomy, its Grahas are incarnations of gods. BPHS also holds same views. Physical planets have no power to control destinies of men and nations, and they cannot be propitiated either. If material planets are accepted to be factors in astrology, their forces must be material forces. But how can we compare the gigantic material forces of Sun and Jupiter with Mercury ? And what is the material force of Rahu or Ketu ? Injecting materialism in astrology is destroying it. Jyotisha, being Vedanga, is a part of Veda, and is a part of religion> rather than of material science. Its criterion of truth is not heavenly position of material objects perceived by sense organs, but the reliability of Phalita (predictive branch of astrology). 2000 AD was the year of minimum amount of offset in longitudes between Drikpakshiya (physical) and Saurpakshiya (Suryasiddhantic) planets. Now, this offset has begun to increase, and will reach the value of 180° in 23000 AD. When this offset was considerable, no one talked of material objects. Observatories are things of Kaliyuga. Astrological Grahas are deities who control lives of creatures.> > Reading such arguments, some people start crying wolf about obscurantism. But they forget that all great scientists like Newton, Neils Bohr, Einstein and Schröedinger were believers in God, the last of them being a staunch supporter of Vedanta who got a Nobel Prize by proving through his Wave Mechanics that material things are mere perceptions and nothing exists in the universe excepting Waves (of Consciousness? ) : this is what Badarayana and Shankaracharya taught!> My chief concern here is to bring to notice some little known aspects of Vimshottari and of the mathematical aspects of astrology. The purpose of this topic is not to assert that Vimshottari is enough for timing of events. There are other techniques in Vedic Astrology. But Vimshottari is by far the most important of all, and its importance has reduced due to three factors already pointed out by me : wrong ayanamsha, wrong length of Vimshottari year, and wrong or no longitudinal offsets in planetary positions.> > Test of the pudding lies in tasting it, not by merely discussing it ! Kundalee software is free for all. -VJ> ============ ========= ========= ========= =>

[Guest guest]

Dear Vinayji,

Namaskar.

Your article is very helpful for me as I a beginner in study. I have

few doubts. If possible please clarify:

(1) You have mentioned for Jupiter:

//But if it is lord of 6th and 11th houses at the same time, it is

highly malefic.//

I feel here there is typo. It could be 3rd and 6th house for Tula

lagna andd 8th and 11th house for Vrishabha lagna. Or am I missing

something?

(2) The example bhava chalita chart shows Sa in 9th house. As

mentioned in the article strength of Sa is takn from Rasi chart. Do

you advise this approach for all predictions or for analysis of

Vimshottari dasa only? BTW Bhava Chalita given by JHora shows Sa in

10th house. I tried to install Kundalee software with Widows Vista

but installation failed.

Thanks and Regards,

Rajendra

 

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Hi Mohit ji,

> I am yet to try Kundalee software by Vinay Jha ji. It is

available

> for download at: http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/

> <http://jyotirvidya.wetpaint.com/> But I can assure you that it is

> good software, and I know that it is one of the favorite software

of our

> reputed group members Srinivas ji. You can clarify any major doubts

> regarding the same with Vinay Jha ji himself since he too is one of

our

> reputed group members.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , Mohit Virmani

> <mohitvirmani33@> wrote:

> >

> > Hello Sreenah g,

> >

> >

> > It is a nice mail to understnd more in depth of Vimshottari Dasa

> ,have u tried there free software plz guide us on tht,Thanks Mohit

> >

> > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> >

> > Sreenadh sreesog@

> > The Secret Behind Vimshottari

> Dasha System (By Vinay Jha)

> >

> > Monday, January 5, 2009, 9:46 AM

> > Dear All,

> > The following article by Vinay Jha jee is taken

> from:http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vimshottari+ DashaÂ

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ============ ========= ========= ========= =

> >

> > The Secret Behind Vimshottari Dasha SystemThere are many types of

> Dashas, ten of which are based on Nakshatras. Vimshottari Dasha is

held

> to be the most important Dasha System in Jyotisha of Vedic-Puranic

> tradition. Most often, astrologers of this tradition do not even

take

> into consideration other dasha systems and base their conclusions

solely

> upon Vimshottari.

> >

> > But there are two obstacles which prevent accurate timing of

events

> with the help of vimshottari system. One is the use of Drik-pakshiya

> mathematics, ie, modern astronomy , for finding true longitudes of

> planets and ascendant, etc. Second problem is the use of solar year

for

> reckoning, in spite of the fact that all ancient texts explicitly

> mention that the year of vimshottari system comprises of 360 days

only.

> Due to these two errors, the timing of events in vimshottari system

errs

> by many years.

> >

> > Vimshottari system is based upon lunar nakshatra, hence its year

ought

> to be lunar. Indian tradition year is a ccombination of solar and

lunar,

> known as luni-solar year, like other ancient systems. In lunar year,

> there are 360 tithis or lunar days, which is the year of vimshottari

> system. 360 tithis are equal to 354.37 solar days. Therefore, there

is a

> difference of 3% between solar year and vimshottari year. Add to

this 3%

> error the difference on account of Drik-pakshiya and Saur-pakshiya

> positions of Moon. Drik-pakshiya world is the phenomenal sensory

world ,

> which is manifest to human sense organs. It is the material world.

> Saur-pakshiya world is the non-material world in which deities

reside.

> All ancient texts of Vedic-Puranic tradition say that the Grahas of

> Jyotisha are gods and are diverse incarnations of God. God and gods

are

> conscious entities and it is wrong to conceptualize them as material

> bodies. Material planets intruded into astrology only

> > during past one or two millenia, but even today there are a large

> number of astrologers in India who refuse to accept computer

softwares

> based upon modern astronomy, and use traditional almanacs or

panchangas.

> These traditional panchangas are crudely made, yet the vimshottari

> timings based upon them prove to be far more accurate than those

based

> upon materialist astronomy.. Now, highly precise software based upon

> traditional Surya-siddhantic system is also in the market,

distributed

> as a freeware for philanthropic purpose. If birth-time is

approximately

> correct, and few very good or very bad events in the life of a

person is

> known, then precise birth-time can be fixed, and thereafter very

> accurate forecasts can be drawn from this software, accurate upto

> prana-dasha. This software has been tested for natural disasters

like

> floods, earthquakes, cyclones, etc and the result is 100% positive..

> Total annual and fortnightly (actually, during solar nakshatra)

> > rainfall data of past 135 years of India have been tested, and

this

> software is 100% accurate. But this software is not based upon the

> faulty interpretation of Surya-siddhanta by E. Burgess. Instead,

ancient

> Surya-siddhantic methods have been used in it.

> >

> > The maximum amount of correction made in mean Moon according to

> Surya-siddhanta is nearly 1.5 degrees less than that made according

to

> modern astronomy. It is nearly 1 / 9 of a nakshatra which is equal

to

> 13˚:20� . Due to this factor alone, vomshottari period of

> Venus, Saturn and Rahu (lunar node) will vary by 2 years and more.

Add

> to it the difference due to descrepancies between Surya-siddhantic

mean

> Moon with the mean Moon of materialist astronomy. And then add the

3%

> error due to wrong year imposed upon vimshottari system. Total

error in

> timing of vimshottari dashas will be over 5 years in modern era,

when

> differences between mean planets of Surya-siddhanta show minimum

> divergence from those of materialist astronomy. In distant ages, the

> difference was greater. In 21000 years, difference between Drik-

pakshiya

> and Saur-pakshiya positions of planets increases by 180Ëš. Within

> a few centuries, Drik-pakshiya astronomy will lose its charm in

> > astrology as vimshottari dashas will show intolerable errors.

> >

> > Even today, Drik-pakshiya astronomy gives errors of ± 5 years in

> timing of vimshottari dashas. As a result, 19% of Maha-dashas and a

much

> greater portion of antar-dashas are wrong. Pratyantar, sukshma and

prana

> dashas are almost always in the wrong. As a result, astrologers

take a

> recourse to other dasha systems, palmistry, numerology, etc for

> satisfying their clients.. Very few persons are trying to test the

> Surya-siddhantic software, due to the venomous propaganda against

> Surya-siddhanta by materialists. Surya-siddhanta is not a text of

> materialist astronomy, and it is interpreted materialistically by

> materialists, by comparison with planetary positions. The proof of

> Surya-siddhanta is Phalit Jyotisha ( predictive astrology) based

upon

> it, it is wrong to use modern astronomy as a yardstick for testing

the

> reliability of Surya-siddhanta. I have met persons who refuse to

test

> Surya-siddhantic software of Phalit Jyotisha named 'Kundalee',

calling

> > Surya-siddhanta to be an outdated and useless work ! Even

criminals

> get a chance to prove themselves, but Surya-siddhanta is denied this

> chance in a materialist age. By rejecting the only accurate method

of

> astrology, who will prove to be a loser ?

> >

> > Now let us talk about the design of Vimshottari system. Arrange

the

> planets according to the plan as depicted in upper picture. This

> arrangement is based upon planetary distances. Omit Rahu, Ketu and

Moon

> initially, which are not full planets. Inner planets, including

Sun, are

> in the right half of the upper picture. Outer planets are on the

left

> side of the upper picture. Now add up their duration of years as

given

> in the vimshottari dasha system.. In left half, we get

> >

> > (Saturn 19) + (Jupiter 16) + (Mars 7) = 42 years

> >

> > and in right half we get

> >

> > (Mercury 17) + (Venus 20) + (Sun 6) = 43 years

> >

> > Total of all 9 planets is 120 lunar years in the vimshottari

system.

> Both halves should have 60 years each. Left half in upper picture

has a

> deficit of 18 years, which only Rahu can give, and right half has a

> deficit of 17 years which only a combination of Ketu and Moon can

> supply. Thus we get the lower picture of vimshottari dasha system.

Rahu

> and Ketu must be placed opposite to each other, and Moon should be

> placed alongwith the Sun but not between Sun and any planet ( i.e.,

> Venus). It is safe to put Rahu and Ketu away from Sun and Moon .

Since

> distances from the Sun was the basis of this plan, vimshottari dasha

> system ought to start with Sun. As in the lower picture, we get the

> sequence Sun : Moon : Mars : Rahu : Jupiter : Saturn : Mercury :

Ketu :

> Venus which is the sequence given in all ancient texts, esp. by Sage

> Parashara.

> >

> > In adhyaya 3, khanda 16 of Chandogya Upanishada, there are 7

shlokas

> which describe three stages in the lifespan of a person, being of

24, 44

> and 48 years respectively, which are the number of syllables in

three

> important Vedic metres Gayatri, Trishtup and Jagati. Total lifespan

of a

> human being is here said to be of 116 years.

> >

> > In Vimshottari dasha system full lifespan of a human being is

equal to

> 120 lunar years, which is equal to 116.4 solar years which, when

rounded

> off, is same as that given in the Chandogya Upanishada.

> >

> > One question remains to be answered : what is the rationale

behind the

> number of years assigned to different planets in the vimshottari

dasha

> system ? Who will find a plausible answer to this intriguing

question ?

> -VJ

> >

> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

=======

> > Vimshottari Timings for Planets of Mixed AttributesOften a planet

is

> both good and bad, how to decide when we get which result?

> >

> > Often a planet possesses both good and bad attributes. How we

should

> decide when we get which result during the dashas of such a planet

of

> mixed attributes ? For instance, if a student takes appears in an

> examination during the dasha of such a planet, whether he/will get

> through or fail? Or will he hover at the passing point ?

> >

> > For instance, if Jupiter is in moolatrikona in a particular

horoscope

> , it is highly auspicious on account of that. But if it is lord of

6th

> and 11th houses at the same time, it is highly malefic.

> >

> > It is wrong to assume that these opposite attributes cancel each

> other. In rainfall analysis, I found that such planets cause

excessive

> rainfall on account of being in moolatrikona, but cause destruction

from

> rains and/or flooding due to their malefic nature.

> >

> > I have worked for many years in rain prediction, and there I had

faced

> tricky questions. What will be total amount of rainfall due to a

planet

> which is good (eg, exalted) and bad (eg, in 12th house)? The answer

I

> found, from analysis of past data of 136 years procured from IITM

(Pune)

> is that net result will be nearly ±5% of normal rainfall, if other

> planets do not influence that particular region (ie, have no aspect

and

> no relation with rain's karaka). But places pierced (viddha) by

malefic

> planets in Sarvatobhadra chakra in that region will be badly hit by

> excessive or scanty rainfall depending upon magnitude of aspect, and

> places pierced by benefics will be blessed with rains conducive to

good

> harvest.

> >

> > In individual horoscopes, similar situations, however, produce

> different problems. Many persons are confused about malefic and

benefic

> planets. Jupiter as lord of 3rd and 6th houses is malefic, but if

it is

> situated in mooltrikona, it is benefic as well. Now a question

arises :

> when such a planet will give its good results, and when its malefic

> fruits will be reaped ?

> >

> > Rule-I :

> >

> > The answer is simple : during MD (mahadasha) of Jupiter, one will

get

> good results during AD (antardasha) of Jupiter's own AD or ADs of

> friendly relatives, and bad results during ADs of enmical planets.

This

> principle works down to prandasha level. For instance, if such a

mixed

> Jupiter is karaka of sukshma-dasha, it will give give good results

> during prana-dasha of its friends and bad results during prana-

dasha of

> its enemies.

> >

> > For instance, a native topped school board exams during Jupiter's

MD

> and Jupiter's AD (pratyantara and sukshma were of auspicious planets

> too). But the same native failed to get through the examinations

just

> two years later during AD of Saturn, although Saturn was lord of

4th and

> 5th houses and was therefore auspicious for that native. The cause

was

> mutual enmity and conjunction (yuti) relation between Jupiter and

> Saturn. Jupiter gave its good results during its own AD , but during

> Saturn's AD mainly the malefic results of Jupiter were manifest,

benefic

> results of both Jupiter and Saturn lied dormant. It was the worst

period

> in the life of that native. He could not leave his house for a long

> period due to illness, depression and bad relations with everyone,

and

> failed in examinations.

> >

> > But during Saturn's MD and Jupiter's AD, things were good for the

same

> native, because Saturn, being an auspicious planet (kendresh plus

> trikonesh) gave its good results through its yuti relative jupiter,

and

> suppressed the bad effects of malefic Jupiter due to mutual enmity.

It

> was the best period in the life of same native and he excelled in

> whatever he attempted ! Thus, Jupiter's MD gave both best and worst

> results in the life of a single native.

> >

> > It is a general principle, which works only when aspects of both

> planets (eg, planets causing MD and AD) are nearly equal upon the

bhava

> we are analyzing. If any one of them has very strong influence in

> comparison to the other planet over that particular bhava, the

stronger

> planet will break the above rule and give its own good or bad

fruits in

> proportion of its strength.

> >

> > Net result becomes more complex when influences of other planets

are

> also considered, which we must do, because many influences are

effective

> for whole life irrespective of dasha. For instance, a person will

not

> become long during MD of Saturn and dwarf during MD of Mercury.

> >

> > Rule-II :

> >

> > Now let us consider another problem. Suppose we are in a

situation in

> which we an answer in binary language or yes or no. Eg., whether one

> will pass or fail in an examination, live or die during a critical

> surgery, etc. Mixed answers will not do under such circumstances.

Such

> cases are rare when a patients neither lives nor dies, and relapses

in a

> coma, or a student's result is washed away by floods in the board

> office.

> >

> > In such situations, we have to evaluate the net auspiciousness or

> inauspiciousness of all the five karaka planets of five levels of

> Vimshottari, taking into account benefic and malefic properties of

each

> of them. Long practice coupled with intuition developed by means of

> inner purity helps in this evaluation. During such an evaluation, an

> exalted planet in 12th mansion must be counted as a normal planet.

> >

> > Only general outlines are presented here. Both of above laws work

> always work perfectly, but only when we follow the siddhanta

> (mathematics) of ancient sages.

> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ======

> > I said above " Both of above laws work always work perfectly, but

only

> when we follow the siddhanta (mathematics) of ancient sages. "

> >

> > Prevalent methods of computing Vimshottari dashas contain two

major

> sources of error in timing, one on account of Drikpakshiya Moon and

> another on account of wrong duration of 'year' used. Canonical texts

> strictly define Vimshottari' s year to be of 360 days. Solar year is

> slightly over 365 days. Hence, Solar year must not be used for

> Vimshottari. Vimshottari is made from lunar asterism (nakshatra).

Hence

> its year is lunar. Lunar year is of 360 lunar days (tithis). This is

> Vimshottari' s year. Unfortunately, few astrologers use this correct

> year for Vimshottari computations. As a result, there is a 3.07%

error

> in the length of Vimshottari year. If true moon is acurately

computed,

> Vimshottari timing at birth will be correct, but will err by one

year

> after 32.57 years, by two years after 65 years, and so on. As a

result,

> 8% of mahadasha timings and 70% of antar-dasha timings will be

wrong !

> Very few persons will have accurate pratyantaras in their

> > Vimshottari tables ! If birthtime true moon is also wrong, there

will

> be greater error !

> >

> > Among all the Vedic softwares I have hitherto seen, only two

softwares

> give the option of selecting lunar year in computing Vimshottari,

and

> few people take advantage of these options ! New theories of

predictive

> astrology (Phalit Jyotisha) are being invented to account for the

> mismatch in predictions and reality, instead of trying the ancient

> method of sages.

> >

> > Some practising astrologers knew this mismatch in timing, but did

not

> know the reason. Dr Kameshwar Upadhyaya, former editor of Vishwa

> Panchanga published by BHU (Benaras Hindu University), told me many

> years ago that all planets start giving results many months before

their

> real Vimshottari timing begins. At that time, he was using solar

year

> for Vimshottari reckoning. He is one of the most busy practising

> astrologers of Varanasi and has analysed a remendous number of

> horoscopes made with the help of all sorts of methods. Now he is

> convinced that lunar year should be used for Vimshottari reckoning,

but

> fears that majority of astrologers will become his opponent due to

> professional reasons, hence keeps quiet but uses lunar year in his

own

> computations. Same is the case with some other reputed astrologers.

> >

> > But there is another, more serious, problem : use of Drikpakshiya

Moon

> in Vedic Astrology, which results in considerable error in

Vimshottari

> reckoning. But the magnitude of this error remains constant

throughout

> the life of a native. For instance, if a planet starts giving its

> results 6 months before its computed time according to lunar year,

all

> planets will show same error of 6 months throughout the life of that

> native. Hence, it will be easy to recognize that there is an error

of 6

> months, which can be remedied by using Saurpakshiya correctives

> according to ancient techniques. Magnitude of this error is

different

> for different persons, sometimes running into years !

> >

> > How long this wrong Vimshottari year will prevail is a matter of

our

> collective choice. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it.

Predictive

> (Phalita) astrology of Vedic sages is an exact science, provided we

keep

> true to their Ganita. Grahas of Vedic Jyotisha are deities,

according to

> all ancient authorities, and deities cannot be perceived sensorily.

I

> have dared to write on this blasphemous topic in an age of

materialism,

> in which material objects of sky are believed to be deities. Let me

see

> what is the reaction ! -VJ

> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

> ========= ====

> >

> > The Secret Magic of Vimshottari

> > It is a universally accepted fact that any faultless astrological

> technique of exact timing of events either does not exist or lies

> hidden, although philistine astrologers (nakshatrasoochakas ) may

> declare themselves to be omniscient.

> >

> > All known methods in Vedic Astrology can be divided into two

> categories, as far as mathematics is concerned : (1) those dependent

> upon modern physical astronomy and (2) those relying on traditional

> methods. Both these categories have numerous variants. Major

problem in

> the first camp is astrologically correct value of ayanamsha, and

main

> problem in second camp is computational crudities of various types.

> >

> > We assume that both these camps take for granted that in

mathematics

> sidereal (nirayana) system is correct and in predictive astrology

> (phalita jyotisha) Brihat-Parashara- Hora-Shastra (BPHS) and ancient

> texts based on or akin to BPHS are to be relied upon, because that

is

> the accepted meaning of Vedic Astrology or Jyotisha.

> >

> > There cannot be mutually incompatible two correct techniques of

> timing, either both of them or at least one of them must be

incorrect.

> As far as the first school based on physical astronomy is

concerned, all

> possible values of ayanamsha have been experimented with during

past one

> hundred years, without any conclusive outcome in the favour of any

> single value of ayanamsha. It proves that even after we get some

perfect

> solution to the problem of ayanamsha, there must be other

unrecognized

> errors which must be removed if we want any exact technique in

timing of

> events. One such source of error is erroneous length of the

Vimshottari

> year. Some software developers, like Sri Jyoti Star in the USA and

> Kundalee in India, have experimented with various types of

Vimshottari

> years, without any conclusive result, because a third source of

error

> was never noticed by any practitioner of Vedic Astrology among the

> computer using guys : hidden Saurpakshiya offsets in

> > Drikpakshiya longitudes of planets. Most of the computer using

> astrologers might not have heard these esoteric terms, whiich are

> fundamental in the curriculum of Vedic Jyotisha taught in Sanskrit

> universities of India. These are ancient concepts, and Ketaki

system had

> revived these concepts during 20th century. Kamlakara Bhatta was the

> most staunch proponent of this Saurpakshiya mathematics during

recent

> centuries, but due to Western hegemony and faith in modern science

this

> ancient system was never tried by any software developer.

> >

> > Many reputed scholars of Sanskrit universities on India have

concluded

> that unless this beejsamskrita (offset corrected) method of

> Suryasidhanta is adopted, foolproof timing of events will remain a

> distant dream. On 18 Oct 2005, after two days of discussions in a

> conference held at Sampoornanand Sanskrit University in Varanasi, an

> unanimous decision was taken by academic stalwarts from six states

of

> India that all panchangas of India ought to be made according to

> Suryasidhanta and a committee headed by me (Vinay Jha) was formed to

> implement this unanimous decision, whose parties were Dr Nagendra

Pandey

> (currently HOD of Jyotisha at Sampoornanand Sanskrit University in

> Varanasi), Dr Shukdeva Chaturvedi (former HOD of Lalbahadur Shastri

> Kendriya Vidyapeetha in Delhi), Dr Ramchandra Pandey (former HOD of

> Jyotisha of Benaras Hindu University, Varanasi), Dr Radhakanta

Mishra

> (currently HOD of Jyotisha at KSD Sanskrit University in Bihar),

etc.

> This unanimous

> > decision was implemented and eight panchangas were started in

many

> states of India and a horoscope making Kundalee software was also

> launched, based on the same beejsamskrita Suryasidhantic

mathematics.

> >

> > Mathematical discussion of this tricky affair is not advisable

here.

> My aim here is merely to illustrate, with some examples, this

> traditional method of Vedic Ganita (mathematics) , which was simply

> known as Siddhanta (theory) by all ancient astrologers of India.

Without

> a sound Siddhanta, a sound predictive astrology is just impossible.

> There were 18 ancient Siddhantas, of which Surya Siddhanta was

lauded as

> the best by Varah Mihir. The beauty and greatness of BPHS cannot be

> properly fathomed unless we use the Ganita (Surya Siddhanta) of

those

> very ancient masters who created Phalita.

> >

> > Some rules must be observed before we proceed. Rashi chart should

be

> used only for determining friendships, aspects, strengths,

debilities,

> etc of planets. Predictive work should be entirely based upon the

> Bhava-chalita kundali. Many astrologers use Rashi kundali for

predictons

> because it saves time, and this habit has now become almost a rule !

> Ascendant is defined as a point in ecliptic. The latter is

elliptical.

> Hence, ascendant and consequent bhavas are all parts of this solar

> ellipse. Rashi kundali is circular and therefore all 12 parts are

equal.

> But bhavachalita kundali is elliptical because its 12 bhavas are

> unequal.

> >

> > Now we come to our main theme. Birthtime bhavachalita (D1) and

> navamamsha (D9) kundalis and associated aspect charts are given in

> following two pictures. Let us explore the timing of marriage of a

> registered user (cf. http://www.mysticbo ard.com/viewtopi

> c.php?t=58583 & postdays=0 & postorder=asc & start=0) according to BPHS

and

> Laghuparashari. All the rules and techniques used below are well

known

> to all Vedic astrologers, but these rules work with perfection only

if

> all the three mathematical offsets are taken into account. Following

> analysis is based on a software (Kundalee) in which all necessary

> corrections proposed by aforementioned academics have been taken

into

> account.

> >

> > Birthtime : 17:07:1983 at 19:34, Nellore (14:27 N, 80:02 E)

> > Marriage time : 10:08:2006 at 11:04, Hyderabad

> >

> > Saurpakshiya Vimshottari at the time of marriage :

> > MahaDasha(MD) = Jup, AD = Sat, PD = Rahu,SD = Ven,PrD = Merc

> > Let us consider birthtime Bhava-chalita (D1) and Navamasha(D9)

charts.

> Following is the aspects (max. 60) on 7th house :

> > Jup = 51 ; Ketu = 39 ; Sat = 38 ; Moon = 10 ; Rahu = 6 ; others =

0.

> > Merury resides in 7th house.

> >

> > Due to more aspect on 7th house than any other planet, marriage

took

> place in Jupiter's MD.

> >

> > But Ketu and Saturn have nearly equal aspect on 7th. Ketu has Yuti

> relation with Jupiter, but Saturn has a yuti relation with lord of

the

> 7th house Moon.

> >

> > Firstly, Jupiter's being lord of 3rd and 12th houses and being

merely

> samagrihi in 11th house is far weaker than exalted Saturn in 9th

house

> with lord of 7th Moon. Hence, yuti relation with Jupiter is not

> imparting enough weightage to Ketu in its contention with Saturn as

a

> force to reckon with as regards 7th house.

> >

> > Secondly, Jupiter is friendly to both Ketu and Saturn in

bhavachalita,

> but in D9 Jupiter is friendly to Saturn but enmical (tatkalika) to

Ketu,

> the latter being further weakened by being placed in 12th house. It

> forced Ketu out of the race, and made Saturn factor of AD.

> >

> > Moon in spite of being lord of 7th house had only 10' aspect and

in D9

> was debilitated in D9, hence it went out of the race. Mercury is

combust

> (asta) with debilitated Sun, hence it was powerless. Jayakaraka

Venus is

> lord of 8th house, resides in 6th and has no aspect on 7th. Hence

it had

> no effect on marriage. In bhavachalita, all other planets are

totally

> ineffective in this regard. In D9, exalted Saturn has yuti relation

with

> Mercury and Rahu. Since Mercury is combust in bhavachalita, Rahu

emerges

> as the most powerful contender for factor behind pratyantara dasha

when

> we consider the combined effect of bhavachalita and D9.

> >

> > Among the remaining, we find Jayakaraka Venus as factor of SD and

> Mercury sitting in 7th as factor of Prandasha, in spite of their

> weaknesses, because all other planets are totally ineffectve.

Mercury is

> 10°:34':35'' degrees away from Sun (after applying Saurpakshiya

> offset in longitudes according to ancient canons), and is therefore

not

> totally combust. Venus is also not too bad, and therefore its

property

> of Jayakaraka was not totally destroyed on account of residing in

8th

> and lacking aspect on 7th.

> >

> > Careful comparison of all planets in D1and D9 with regard to their

> influences on 7th house should be made by readers to determine the

five

> planets needed for Vimshottari timing. D1 is bhavachalita and not

> Rashi-chart, because BPHS explicitly uses the word Lagna for D1, and

> ancient mathematical canon (Suryasiddhanta) defines Lagna as in

terms of

> elliptical ecliptic and not in terms of circular bha-vritta. If such

> precautions are taken, measure of error in determination of time of

> events will gradually reduce.

> > In the chart of husband of this native, two planets are so

powerful

> for the 7th house that they were repeated in Vimshottari sequence

> Ineffectiveness of other planets also contributed to this.

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> --------- --------- ---This topic is growing too big. Such problems

> should be solved by means of comparison of both types of softwares,

> popular ones, and Suryasiddhantic. It is not possible to wipe out

> Suryasiddhanta in spite of centuries of propaganda against it by

Semitic

> invaders and their intellectual offsprings. Suryasiddhanta is not a

text

> of physical astronomy, its Grahas are incarnations of gods. BPHS

also

> holds same views. Physical planets have no power to control

destinies of

> men and nations, and they cannot be propitiated either. If material

> planets are accepted to be factors in astrology, their forces must

be

> material forces. But how can we compare the gigantic material

forces of

> Sun and Jupiter with Mercury ? And what is the material force of

Rahu or

> Ketu ? Injecting materialism in astrology is destroying it.

Jyotisha,

> being Vedanga, is a part of Veda, and is a part of religion

> > rather than of material science. Its criterion of truth is not

> heavenly position of material objects perceived by sense organs,

but the

> reliability of Phalita (predictive branch of astrology). 2000 AD

was the

> year of minimum amount of offset in longitudes between Drikpakshiya

> (physical) and Saurpakshiya (Suryasiddhantic) planets. Now, this

offset

> has begun to increase, and will reach the value of 180° in 23000

AD.

> When this offset was considerable, no one talked of material

objects.

> Observatories are things of Kaliyuga. Astrological Grahas are

deities

> who control lives of creatures.

> >

> > Reading such arguments, some people start crying wolf about

> obscurantism. But they forget that all great scientists like Newton,

> Neils Bohr, Einstein and Schröedinger were believers in God, the

> last of them being a staunch supporter of Vedanta who got a Nobel

Prize

> by proving through his Wave Mechanics that material things are mere

> perceptions and nothing exists in the universe excepting Waves (of

> Consciousness? ) : this is what Badarayana and Shankaracharya

taught!

> > My chief concern here is to bring to notice some little known

aspects

> of Vimshottari and of the mathematical aspects of astrology. The

purpose

> of this topic is not to assert that Vimshottari is enough for

timing of

> events. There are other techniques in Vedic Astrology. But

Vimshottari

> is by far the most important of all, and its importance has reduced

due

> to three factors already pointed out by me : wrong ayanamsha, wrong

> length of Vimshottari year, and wrong or no longitudinal offsets in

> planetary positions.

> >

> > Test of the pudding lies in tasting it, not by merely discussing

it !

> Kundalee software is free for all. -VJ

> > ============ ========= ========= ========= =

> >

>

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Neither I nor anyone else have any right to change the basic rules of

Jyotisha. Aspects, friendships, uchcha-neecha strengths, combustion

(asta), etc are judged from raashi chart, generally known as

Janma-kundali. But the predictive part is based upon Bhaavachalita.

Even Jhora regards bhaavachalita as D1, which is borne by its name as

Lagna in BPHS.

In the case of Napoleon Bonaparte (cf. Prediction of Death in

jyotirvidya website), I found Jhora had a difference of 23 degrees in

lagna wrt Kundalee, mainly due to difference in Sunrise. Jhora gives

material Sun's rise. Kundalee gives divine Sun's rise, which cannot be

seen by human senses. But when you judge the astrological results on

the lines of Parashara & c, Kundalee is 100% perfect. Now the choice is

yours. Both Jhora and Kundalee have been built by sincere persons, but

the difference is in mathematical approach. I discarded the use of

modern astronomy in astrology 11 years ago, when a paramhamsa scholar

taught me a better alternative.

 

-VJ

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr.Vinayaji,

Namaskar!!

 

I am not able to open the software after downloading,every time run time error

shows.Pl help.

 

 

regards/manoj kar

 

--- On Tue, 6/1/09, rajendra_bhatt <rajendra_bhatt wrote:

 

rajendra_bhatt <rajendra_bhatt

Re: The Secret Behind Vimshottari Dasha

System (By Vinay Jha)

 

Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 11:01 PM

 

Dear Vinayji,

Namaskar.

Your article is very helpful for me as I a beginner in study. I have

few doubts. If possible please clarify:

(1) You have mentioned for Jupiter:

//But if it is lord of 6th and 11th houses at the same time, it is

highly malefic.//

I feel here there is typo. It could be 3rd and 6th house for Tula

lagna andd 8th and 11th house for Vrishabha lagna. Or am I missing

something?

(2) The example bhava chalita chart shows Sa in 9th house. As

mentioned in the article strength of Sa is takn from Rasi chart. Do

you advise this approach for all predictions or for analysis of

Vimshottari dasa only? BTW Bhava Chalita given by JHora shows Sa in

10th house. I tried to install Kundalee software with Widows Vista

but installation failed.

Thanks and Regards,

Rajendra

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog > wrote:

>

> Hi Mohit ji,

> I am yet to try Kundalee software by Vinay Jha ji. It is

available

> for download at: http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/

> <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/> But I can assure you that it is

> good software, and I know that it is one of the favorite software

of our

> reputed group members Srinivas ji. You can clarify any major doubts

> regarding the same with Vinay Jha ji himself since he too is one of

our

> reputed group members.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani

> <mohitvirmani33@ > wrote:

> >

> > Hello Sreenah g,

> >

> >

> > It is a nice mail to understnd more in depth of Vimshottari Dasa

> ,have u tried there free software plz guide us on tht,Thanks Mohit

> >

> > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> >

> > Sreenadh sreesog@

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] The Secret Behind Vimshottari

> Dasha System (By Vinay Jha)

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Monday, January 5, 2009, 9:46 AM

> > Dear All,

> > The following article by Vinay Jha jee is taken

> from:http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vimshottari+ DashaÂ

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ============ ========= ========= ========= =

> >

> > The Secret Behind Vimshottari Dasha SystemThere are many types of

> Dashas, ten of which are based on Nakshatras. Vimshottari Dasha is

held

> to be the most important Dasha System in Jyotisha of Vedic-Puranic

> tradition. Most often, astrologers of this tradition do not even

take

> into consideration other dasha systems and base their conclusions

solely

> upon Vimshottari.

> >

> > But there are two obstacles which prevent accurate timing of

events

> with the help of vimshottari system. One is the use of Drik-pakshiya

> mathematics, ie, modern astronomy , for finding true longitudes of

> planets and ascendant, etc. Second problem is the use of solar year

for

> reckoning, in spite of the fact that all ancient texts explicitly

> mention that the year of vimshottari system comprises of 360 days

only.

> Due to these two errors, the timing of events in vimshottari system

errs

> by many years.

> >

> > Vimshottari system is based upon lunar nakshatra, hence its year

ought

> to be lunar. Indian tradition year is a ccombination of solar and

lunar,

> known as luni-solar year, like other ancient systems. In lunar year,

> there are 360 tithis or lunar days, which is the year of vimshottari

> system. 360 tithis are equal to 354.37 solar days. Therefore, there

is a

> difference of 3% between solar year and vimshottari year. Add to

this 3%

> error the difference on account of Drik-pakshiya and Saur-pakshiya

> positions of Moon. Drik-pakshiya world is the phenomenal sensory

world ,

> which is manifest to human sense organs. It is the material world.

> Saur-pakshiya world is the non-material world in which deities

reside.

> All ancient texts of Vedic-Puranic tradition say that the Grahas of

> Jyotisha are gods and are diverse incarnations of God. God and gods

are

> conscious entities and it is wrong to conceptualize them as material

> bodies. Material planets intruded into astrology only

> > during past one or two millenia, but even today there are a large

> number of astrologers in India who refuse to accept computer

softwares

> based upon modern astronomy, and use traditional almanacs or

panchangas.

> These traditional panchangas are crudely made, yet the vimshottari

> timings based upon them prove to be far more accurate than those

based

> upon materialist astronomy.. Now, highly precise software based upon

> traditional Surya-siddhantic system is also in the market,

distributed

> as a freeware for philanthropic purpose. If birth-time is

approximately

> correct, and few very good or very bad events in the life of a

person is

> known, then precise birth-time can be fixed, and thereafter very

> accurate forecasts can be drawn from this software, accurate upto

> prana-dasha. This software has been tested for natural disasters

like

> floods, earthquakes, cyclones, etc and the result is 100% positive..

> Total annual and fortnightly (actually, during solar nakshatra)

> > rainfall data of past 135 years of India have been tested, and

this

> software is 100% accurate. But this software is not based upon the

> faulty interpretation of Surya-siddhanta by E. Burgess. Instead,

ancient

> Surya-siddhantic methods have been used in it.

> >

> > The maximum amount of correction made in mean Moon according to

> Surya-siddhanta is nearly 1.5 degrees less than that made according

to

> modern astronomy. It is nearly 1 / 9 of a nakshatra which is equal

to

> 13˚:20� . Due to this factor alone, vomshottari period of

> Venus, Saturn and Rahu (lunar node) will vary by 2 years and more.

Add

> to it the difference due to descrepancies between Surya-siddhantic

mean

> Moon with the mean Moon of materialist astronomy. And then add the

3%

> error due to wrong year imposed upon vimshottari system. Total

error in

> timing of vimshottari dashas will be over 5 years in modern era,

when

> differences between mean planets of Surya-siddhanta show minimum

> divergence from those of materialist astronomy. In distant ages, the

> difference was greater. In 21000 years, difference between Drik-

pakshiya

> and Saur-pakshiya positions of planets increases by 180Ëš. Within

> a few centuries, Drik-pakshiya astronomy will lose its charm in

> > astrology as vimshottari dashas will show intolerable errors.

> >

> > Even today, Drik-pakshiya astronomy gives errors of ± 5 years in

> timing of vimshottari dashas. As a result, 19% of Maha-dashas and a

much

> greater portion of antar-dashas are wrong. Pratyantar, sukshma and

prana

> dashas are almost always in the wrong. As a result, astrologers

take a

> recourse to other dasha systems, palmistry, numerology, etc for

> satisfying their clients.. Very few persons are trying to test the

> Surya-siddhantic software, due to the venomous propaganda against

> Surya-siddhanta by materialists. Surya-siddhanta is not a text of

> materialist astronomy, and it is interpreted materialistically by

> materialists, by comparison with planetary positions. The proof of

> Surya-siddhanta is Phalit Jyotisha ( predictive astrology) based

upon

> it, it is wrong to use modern astronomy as a yardstick for testing

the

> reliability of Surya-siddhanta. I have met persons who refuse to

test

> Surya-siddhantic software of Phalit Jyotisha named 'Kundalee',

calling

> > Surya-siddhanta to be an outdated and useless work ! Even

criminals

> get a chance to prove themselves, but Surya-siddhanta is denied this

> chance in a materialist age. By rejecting the only accurate method

of

> astrology, who will prove to be a loser ?

> >

> > Now let us talk about the design of Vimshottari system. Arrange

the

> planets according to the plan as depicted in upper picture. This

> arrangement is based upon planetary distances. Omit Rahu, Ketu and

Moon

> initially, which are not full planets. Inner planets, including

Sun, are

> in the right half of the upper picture. Outer planets are on the

left

> side of the upper picture. Now add up their duration of years as

given

> in the vimshottari dasha system.. In left half, we get

> >

> > (Saturn 19) + (Jupiter 16) + (Mars 7) = 42 years

> >

> > and in right half we get

> >

> > (Mercury 17) + (Venus 20) + (Sun 6) = 43 years

> >

> > Total of all 9 planets is 120 lunar years in the vimshottari

system.

> Both halves should have 60 years each. Left half in upper picture

has a

> deficit of 18 years, which only Rahu can give, and right half has a

> deficit of 17 years which only a combination of Ketu and Moon can

> supply. Thus we get the lower picture of vimshottari dasha system.

Rahu

> and Ketu must be placed opposite to each other, and Moon should be

> placed alongwith the Sun but not between Sun and any planet ( i.e.,

> Venus). It is safe to put Rahu and Ketu away from Sun and Moon .

Since

> distances from the Sun was the basis of this plan, vimshottari dasha

> system ought to start with Sun. As in the lower picture, we get the

> sequence Sun : Moon : Mars : Rahu : Jupiter : Saturn : Mercury :

Ketu :

> Venus which is the sequence given in all ancient texts, esp. by Sage

> Parashara.

> >

> > In adhyaya 3, khanda 16 of Chandogya Upanishada, there are 7

shlokas

> which describe three stages in the lifespan of a person, being of

24, 44

> and 48 years respectively, which are the number of syllables in

three

> important Vedic metres Gayatri, Trishtup and Jagati. Total lifespan

of a

> human being is here said to be of 116 years.

> >

> > In Vimshottari dasha system full lifespan of a human being is

equal to

> 120 lunar years, which is equal to 116.4 solar years which, when

rounded

> off, is same as that given in the Chandogya Upanishada.

> >

> > One question remains to be answered : what is the rationale

behind the

> number of years assigned to different planets in the vimshottari

dasha

> system ? Who will find a plausible answer to this intriguing

question ?

> -VJ

> >

> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

=======

> > Vimshottari Timings for Planets of Mixed AttributesOften a planet

is

> both good and bad, how to decide when we get which result?

> >

> > Often a planet possesses both good and bad attributes. How we

should

> decide when we get which result during the dashas of such a planet

of

> mixed attributes ? For instance, if a student takes appears in an

> examination during the dasha of such a planet, whether he/will get

> through or fail? Or will he hover at the passing point ?

> >

> > For instance, if Jupiter is in moolatrikona in a particular

horoscope

> , it is highly auspicious on account of that. But if it is lord of

6th

> and 11th houses at the same time, it is highly malefic.

> >

> > It is wrong to assume that these opposite attributes cancel each

> other. In rainfall analysis, I found that such planets cause

excessive

> rainfall on account of being in moolatrikona, but cause destruction

from

> rains and/or flooding due to their malefic nature.

> >

> > I have worked for many years in rain prediction, and there I had

faced

> tricky questions. What will be total amount of rainfall due to a

planet

> which is good (eg, exalted) and bad (eg, in 12th house)? The answer

I

> found, from analysis of past data of 136 years procured from IITM

(Pune)

> is that net result will be nearly ±5% of normal rainfall, if other

> planets do not influence that particular region (ie, have no aspect

and

> no relation with rain's karaka). But places pierced (viddha) by

malefic

> planets in Sarvatobhadra chakra in that region will be badly hit by

> excessive or scanty rainfall depending upon magnitude of aspect, and

> places pierced by benefics will be blessed with rains conducive to

good

> harvest.

> >

> > In individual horoscopes, similar situations, however, produce

> different problems. Many persons are confused about malefic and

benefic

> planets. Jupiter as lord of 3rd and 6th houses is malefic, but if

it is

> situated in mooltrikona, it is benefic as well. Now a question

arises :

> when such a planet will give its good results, and when its malefic

> fruits will be reaped ?

> >

> > Rule-I :

> >

> > The answer is simple : during MD (mahadasha) of Jupiter, one will

get

> good results during AD (antardasha) of Jupiter's own AD or ADs of

> friendly relatives, and bad results during ADs of enmical planets.

This

> principle works down to prandasha level. For instance, if such a

mixed

> Jupiter is karaka of sukshma-dasha, it will give give good results

> during prana-dasha of its friends and bad results during prana-

dasha of

> its enemies.

> >

> > For instance, a native topped school board exams during Jupiter's

MD

> and Jupiter's AD (pratyantara and sukshma were of auspicious planets

> too). But the same native failed to get through the examinations

just

> two years later during AD of Saturn, although Saturn was lord of

4th and

> 5th houses and was therefore auspicious for that native. The cause

was

> mutual enmity and conjunction (yuti) relation between Jupiter and

> Saturn. Jupiter gave its good results during its own AD , but during

> Saturn's AD mainly the malefic results of Jupiter were manifest,

benefic

> results of both Jupiter and Saturn lied dormant. It was the worst

period

> in the life of that native. He could not leave his house for a long

> period due to illness, depression and bad relations with everyone,

and

> failed in examinations.

> >

> > But during Saturn's MD and Jupiter's AD, things were good for the

same

> native, because Saturn, being an auspicious planet (kendresh plus

> trikonesh) gave its good results through its yuti relative jupiter,

and

> suppressed the bad effects of malefic Jupiter due to mutual enmity.

It

> was the best period in the life of same native and he excelled in

> whatever he attempted ! Thus, Jupiter's MD gave both best and worst

> results in the life of a single native.

> >

> > It is a general principle, which works only when aspects of both

> planets (eg, planets causing MD and AD) are nearly equal upon the

bhava

> we are analyzing. If any one of them has very strong influence in

> comparison to the other planet over that particular bhava, the

stronger

> planet will break the above rule and give its own good or bad

fruits in

> proportion of its strength.

> >

> > Net result becomes more complex when influences of other planets

are

> also considered, which we must do, because many influences are

effective

> for whole life irrespective of dasha. For instance, a person will

not

> become long during MD of Saturn and dwarf during MD of Mercury.

> >

> > Rule-II :

> >

> > Now let us consider another problem. Suppose we are in a

situation in

> which we an answer in binary language or yes or no. Eg., whether one

> will pass or fail in an examination, live or die during a critical

> surgery, etc. Mixed answers will not do under such circumstances.

Such

> cases are rare when a patients neither lives nor dies, and relapses

in a

> coma, or a student's result is washed away by floods in the board

> office.

> >

> > In such situations, we have to evaluate the net auspiciousness or

> inauspiciousness of all the five karaka planets of five levels of

> Vimshottari, taking into account benefic and malefic properties of

each

> of them. Long practice coupled with intuition developed by means of

> inner purity helps in this evaluation. During such an evaluation, an

> exalted planet in 12th mansion must be counted as a normal planet.

> >

> > Only general outlines are presented here. Both of above laws work

> always work perfectly, but only when we follow the siddhanta

> (mathematics) of ancient sages.

> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ======

> > I said above " Both of above laws work always work perfectly, but

only

> when we follow the siddhanta (mathematics) of ancient sages. "

> >

> > Prevalent methods of computing Vimshottari dashas contain two

major

> sources of error in timing, one on account of Drikpakshiya Moon and

> another on account of wrong duration of 'year' used. Canonical texts

> strictly define Vimshottari' s year to be of 360 days. Solar year is

> slightly over 365 days. Hence, Solar year must not be used for

> Vimshottari. Vimshottari is made from lunar asterism (nakshatra).

Hence

> its year is lunar. Lunar year is of 360 lunar days (tithis). This is

> Vimshottari' s year. Unfortunately, few astrologers use this correct

> year for Vimshottari computations. As a result, there is a 3.07%

error

> in the length of Vimshottari year. If true moon is acurately

computed,

> Vimshottari timing at birth will be correct, but will err by one

year

> after 32.57 years, by two years after 65 years, and so on. As a

result,

> 8% of mahadasha timings and 70% of antar-dasha timings will be

wrong !

> Very few persons will have accurate pratyantaras in their

> > Vimshottari tables ! If birthtime true moon is also wrong, there

will

> be greater error !

> >

> > Among all the Vedic softwares I have hitherto seen, only two

softwares

> give the option of selecting lunar year in computing Vimshottari,

and

> few people take advantage of these options ! New theories of

predictive

> astrology (Phalit Jyotisha) are being invented to account for the

> mismatch in predictions and reality, instead of trying the ancient

> method of sages.

> >

> > Some practising astrologers knew this mismatch in timing, but did

not

> know the reason. Dr Kameshwar Upadhyaya, former editor of Vishwa

> Panchanga published by BHU (Benaras Hindu University), told me many

> years ago that all planets start giving results many months before

their

> real Vimshottari timing begins. At that time, he was using solar

year

> for Vimshottari reckoning. He is one of the most busy practising

> astrologers of Varanasi and has analysed a remendous number of

> horoscopes made with the help of all sorts of methods. Now he is

> convinced that lunar year should be used for Vimshottari reckoning,

but

> fears that majority of astrologers will become his opponent due to

> professional reasons, hence keeps quiet but uses lunar year in his

own

> computations. Same is the case with some other reputed astrologers.

> >

> > But there is another, more serious, problem : use of Drikpakshiya

Moon

> in Vedic Astrology, which results in considerable error in

Vimshottari

> reckoning. But the magnitude of this error remains constant

throughout

> the life of a native. For instance, if a planet starts giving its

> results 6 months before its computed time according to lunar year,

all

> planets will show same error of 6 months throughout the life of that

> native. Hence, it will be easy to recognize that there is an error

of 6

> months, which can be remedied by using Saurpakshiya correctives

> according to ancient techniques. Magnitude of this error is

different

> for different persons, sometimes running into years !

> >

> > How long this wrong Vimshottari year will prevail is a matter of

our

> collective choice. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it.

Predictive

> (Phalita) astrology of Vedic sages is an exact science, provided we

keep

> true to their Ganita. Grahas of Vedic Jyotisha are deities,

according to

> all ancient authorities, and deities cannot be perceived sensorily.

I

> have dared to write on this blasphemous topic in an age of

materialism,

> in which material objects of sky are believed to be deities. Let me

see

> what is the reaction ! -VJ

> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

> ========= ====

> >

> > The Secret Magic of Vimshottari

> > It is a universally accepted fact that any faultless astrological

> technique of exact timing of events either does not exist or lies

> hidden, although philistine astrologers (nakshatrasoochakas ) may

> declare themselves to be omniscient.

> >

> > All known methods in Vedic Astrology can be divided into two

> categories, as far as mathematics is concerned : (1) those dependent

> upon modern physical astronomy and (2) those relying on traditional

> methods. Both these categories have numerous variants. Major

problem in

> the first camp is astrologically correct value of ayanamsha, and

main

> problem in second camp is computational crudities of various types.

> >

> > We assume that both these camps take for granted that in

mathematics

> sidereal (nirayana) system is correct and in predictive astrology

> (phalita jyotisha) Brihat-Parashara- Hora-Shastra (BPHS) and ancient

> texts based on or akin to BPHS are to be relied upon, because that

is

> the accepted meaning of Vedic Astrology or Jyotisha.

> >

> > There cannot be mutually incompatible two correct techniques of

> timing, either both of them or at least one of them must be

incorrect.

> As far as the first school based on physical astronomy is

concerned, all

> possible values of ayanamsha have been experimented with during

past one

> hundred years, without any conclusive outcome in the favour of any

> single value of ayanamsha. It proves that even after we get some

perfect

> solution to the problem of ayanamsha, there must be other

unrecognized

> errors which must be removed if we want any exact technique in

timing of

> events. One such source of error is erroneous length of the

Vimshottari

> year. Some software developers, like Sri Jyoti Star in the USA and

> Kundalee in India, have experimented with various types of

Vimshottari

> years, without any conclusive result, because a third source of

error

> was never noticed by any practitioner of Vedic Astrology among the

> computer using guys : hidden Saurpakshiya offsets in

> > Drikpakshiya longitudes of planets. Most of the computer using

> astrologers might not have heard these esoteric terms, whiich are

> fundamental in the curriculum of Vedic Jyotisha taught in Sanskrit

> universities of India. These are ancient concepts, and Ketaki

system had

> revived these concepts during 20th century. Kamlakara Bhatta was the

> most staunch proponent of this Saurpakshiya mathematics during

recent

> centuries, but due to Western hegemony and faith in modern science

this

> ancient system was never tried by any software developer.

> >

> > Many reputed scholars of Sanskrit universities on India have

concluded

> that unless this beejsamskrita (offset corrected) method of

> Suryasidhanta is adopted, foolproof timing of events will remain a

> distant dream. On 18 Oct 2005, after two days of discussions in a

> conference held at Sampoornanand Sanskrit University in Varanasi, an

> unanimous decision was taken by academic stalwarts from six states

of

> India that all panchangas of India ought to be made according to

> Suryasidhanta and a committee headed by me (Vinay Jha) was formed to

> implement this unanimous decision, whose parties were Dr Nagendra

Pandey

> (currently HOD of Jyotisha at Sampoornanand Sanskrit University in

> Varanasi), Dr Shukdeva Chaturvedi (former HOD of Lalbahadur Shastri

> Kendriya Vidyapeetha in Delhi), Dr Ramchandra Pandey (former HOD of

> Jyotisha of Benaras Hindu University, Varanasi), Dr Radhakanta

Mishra

> (currently HOD of Jyotisha at KSD Sanskrit University in Bihar),

etc.

> This unanimous

> > decision was implemented and eight panchangas were started in

many

> states of India and a horoscope making Kundalee software was also

> launched, based on the same beejsamskrita Suryasidhantic

mathematics.

> >

> > Mathematical discussion of this tricky affair is not advisable

here.

> My aim here is merely to illustrate, with some examples, this

> traditional method of Vedic Ganita (mathematics) , which was simply

> known as Siddhanta (theory) by all ancient astrologers of India.

Without

> a sound Siddhanta, a sound predictive astrology is just impossible.

> There were 18 ancient Siddhantas, of which Surya Siddhanta was

lauded as

> the best by Varah Mihir. The beauty and greatness of BPHS cannot be

> properly fathomed unless we use the Ganita (Surya Siddhanta) of

those

> very ancient masters who created Phalita.

> >

> > Some rules must be observed before we proceed. Rashi chart should

be

> used only for determining friendships, aspects, strengths,

debilities,

> etc of planets. Predictive work should be entirely based upon the

> Bhava-chalita kundali. Many astrologers use Rashi kundali for

predictons

> because it saves time, and this habit has now become almost a rule !

> Ascendant is defined as a point in ecliptic. The latter is

elliptical.

> Hence, ascendant and consequent bhavas are all parts of this solar

> ellipse. Rashi kundali is circular and therefore all 12 parts are

equal.

> But bhavachalita kundali is elliptical because its 12 bhavas are

> unequal.

> >

> > Now we come to our main theme. Birthtime bhavachalita (D1) and

> navamamsha (D9) kundalis and associated aspect charts are given in

> following two pictures. Let us explore the timing of marriage of a

> registered user (cf. http://www.mysticbo ard.com/viewtopi

> c.php?t=58583 & postdays= 0 & postorder= asc & start= 0) according to BPHS

and

> Laghuparashari. All the rules and techniques used below are well

known

> to all Vedic astrologers, but these rules work with perfection only

if

> all the three mathematical offsets are taken into account. Following

> analysis is based on a software (Kundalee) in which all necessary

> corrections proposed by aforementioned academics have been taken

into

> account.

> >

> > Birthtime : 17:07:1983 at 19:34, Nellore (14:27 N, 80:02 E)

> > Marriage time : 10:08:2006 at 11:04, Hyderabad

> >

> > Saurpakshiya Vimshottari at the time of marriage :

> > MahaDasha(MD) = Jup, AD = Sat, PD = Rahu,SD = Ven,PrD = Merc

> > Let us consider birthtime Bhava-chalita (D1) and Navamasha(D9)

charts.

> Following is the aspects (max. 60) on 7th house :

> > Jup = 51 ; Ketu = 39 ; Sat = 38 ; Moon = 10 ; Rahu = 6 ; others =

0.

> > Merury resides in 7th house.

> >

> > Due to more aspect on 7th house than any other planet, marriage

took

> place in Jupiter's MD.

> >

> > But Ketu and Saturn have nearly equal aspect on 7th. Ketu has Yuti

> relation with Jupiter, but Saturn has a yuti relation with lord of

the

> 7th house Moon.

> >

> > Firstly, Jupiter's being lord of 3rd and 12th houses and being

merely

> samagrihi in 11th house is far weaker than exalted Saturn in 9th

house

> with lord of 7th Moon. Hence, yuti relation with Jupiter is not

> imparting enough weightage to Ketu in its contention with Saturn as

a

> force to reckon with as regards 7th house.

> >

> > Secondly, Jupiter is friendly to both Ketu and Saturn in

bhavachalita,

> but in D9 Jupiter is friendly to Saturn but enmical (tatkalika) to

Ketu,

> the latter being further weakened by being placed in 12th house. It

> forced Ketu out of the race, and made Saturn factor of AD.

> >

> > Moon in spite of being lord of 7th house had only 10' aspect and

in D9

> was debilitated in D9, hence it went out of the race. Mercury is

combust

> (asta) with debilitated Sun, hence it was powerless. Jayakaraka

Venus is

> lord of 8th house, resides in 6th and has no aspect on 7th. Hence

it had

> no effect on marriage. In bhavachalita, all other planets are

totally

> ineffective in this regard. In D9, exalted Saturn has yuti relation

with

> Mercury and Rahu. Since Mercury is combust in bhavachalita, Rahu

emerges

> as the most powerful contender for factor behind pratyantara dasha

when

> we consider the combined effect of bhavachalita and D9.

> >

> > Among the remaining, we find Jayakaraka Venus as factor of SD and

> Mercury sitting in 7th as factor of Prandasha, in spite of their

> weaknesses, because all other planets are totally ineffectve.

Mercury is

> 10°:34':35'' degrees away from Sun (after applying Saurpakshiya

> offset in longitudes according to ancient canons), and is therefore

not

> totally combust. Venus is also not too bad, and therefore its

property

> of Jayakaraka was not totally destroyed on account of residing in

8th

> and lacking aspect on 7th.

> >

> > Careful comparison of all planets in D1and D9 with regard to their

> influences on 7th house should be made by readers to determine the

five

> planets needed for Vimshottari timing. D1 is bhavachalita and not

> Rashi-chart, because BPHS explicitly uses the word Lagna for D1, and

> ancient mathematical canon (Suryasiddhanta) defines Lagna as in

terms of

> elliptical ecliptic and not in terms of circular bha-vritta. If such

> precautions are taken, measure of error in determination of time of

> events will gradually reduce.

> > In the chart of husband of this native, two planets are so

powerful

> for the 7th house that they were repeated in Vimshottari sequence

> Ineffectiveness of other planets also contributed to this.

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> --------- --------- ---This topic is growing too big. Such problems

> should be solved by means of comparison of both types of softwares,

> popular ones, and Suryasiddhantic. It is not possible to wipe out

> Suryasiddhanta in spite of centuries of propaganda against it by

Semitic

> invaders and their intellectual offsprings. Suryasiddhanta is not a

text

> of physical astronomy, its Grahas are incarnations of gods. BPHS

also

> holds same views. Physical planets have no power to control

destinies of

> men and nations, and they cannot be propitiated either. If material

> planets are accepted to be factors in astrology, their forces must

be

> material forces. But how can we compare the gigantic material

forces of

> Sun and Jupiter with Mercury ? And what is the material force of

Rahu or

> Ketu ? Injecting materialism in astrology is destroying it.

Jyotisha,

> being Vedanga, is a part of Veda, and is a part of religion

> > rather than of material science. Its criterion of truth is not

> heavenly position of material objects perceived by sense organs,

but the

> reliability of Phalita (predictive branch of astrology). 2000 AD

was the

> year of minimum amount of offset in longitudes between Drikpakshiya

> (physical) and Saurpakshiya (Suryasiddhantic) planets. Now, this

offset

> has begun to increase, and will reach the value of 180° in 23000

AD.

> When this offset was considerable, no one talked of material

objects.

> Observatories are things of Kaliyuga. Astrological Grahas are

deities

> who control lives of creatures.

> >

> > Reading such arguments, some people start crying wolf about

> obscurantism. But they forget that all great scientists like Newton,

> Neils Bohr, Einstein and Schröedinger were believers in God, the

> last of them being a staunch supporter of Vedanta who got a Nobel

Prize

> by proving through his Wave Mechanics that material things are mere

> perceptions and nothing exists in the universe excepting Waves (of

> Consciousness? ) : this is what Badarayana and Shankaracharya

taught!

> > My chief concern here is to bring to notice some little known

aspects

> of Vimshottari and of the mathematical aspects of astrology. The

purpose

> of this topic is not to assert that Vimshottari is enough for

timing of

> events. There are other techniques in Vedic Astrology. But

Vimshottari

> is by far the most important of all, and its importance has reduced

due

> to three factors already pointed out by me : wrong ayanamsha, wrong

> length of Vimshottari year, and wrong or no longitudinal offsets in

> planetary positions.

> >

> > Test of the pudding lies in tasting it, not by merely discussing

it !

> Kundalee software is free for all. -VJ

> > ============ ========= ========= ========= =

> >

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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________________________________

MANOJ KAR <manoj_kar7

 

Wednesday, January 7, 2009 12:16:09 AM

Re: The Secret Behind Vimshottari Dasha

System (By Vinay Jha)

 

 

Dear Mr.Vinayaji,

Namaskar!!

 

I am not able to open the software after downloading, every time run time error

shows.Pl help.

 

 

regards/manoj kar

 

--- On Tue, 6/1/09, rajendra_bhatt <rajendra_bhatt@ > wrote:

 

rajendra_bhatt <rajendra_bhatt@ >

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: The Secret Behind Vimshottari Dasha

System (By Vinay Jha)

ancient_indian_ astrology

Tuesday, 6 January, 2009, 11:01 PM

 

Dear Vinayji,

Namaskar.

Your article is very helpful for me as I a beginner in study. I have

few doubts. If possible please clarify:

(1) You have mentioned for Jupiter:

//But if it is lord of 6th and 11th houses at the same time, it is

highly malefic.//

I feel here there is typo. It could be 3rd and 6th house for Tula

lagna andd 8th and 11th house for Vrishabha lagna. Or am I missing

something?

(2) The example bhava chalita chart shows Sa in 9th house. As

mentioned in the article strength of Sa is takn from Rasi chart. Do

you advise this approach for all predictions or for analysis of

Vimshottari dasa only? BTW Bhava Chalita given by JHora shows Sa in

10th house. I tried to install Kundalee software with Widows Vista

but installation failed.

Thanks and Regards,

Rajendra

 

ancient_indian_ astrology, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog > wrote:

>

> Hi Mohit ji,

> I am yet to try Kundalee software by Vinay Jha ji. It is

available

> for download at: http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/

> <http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint.. com/> But I can assure you that it is

> good software, and I know that it is one of the favorite software

of our

> reputed group members Srinivas ji. You can clarify any major doubts

> regarding the same with Vinay Jha ji himself since he too is one of

our

> reputed group members.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, Mohit Virmani

> <mohitvirmani33@ > wrote:

> >

> > Hello Sreenah g,

> >

> >

> > It is a nice mail to understnd more in depth of Vimshottari Dasa

> ,have u tried there free software plz guide us on tht,Thanks Mohit

> >

> > --- On Mon, 1/5/09, Sreenadh sreesog@ wrote:

> >

> > Sreenadh sreesog@

> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] The Secret Behind Vimshottari

> Dasha System (By Vinay Jha)

> > ancient_indian_ astrology

> > Monday, January 5, 2009, 9:46 AM

> > Dear All,

> > The following article by Vinay Jha jee is taken

> from:http://jyotirvidya. wetpaint. com/page/ Vimshottari+ DashaÂ

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

> > ============ ========= ========= ========= =

> >

> > The Secret Behind Vimshottari Dasha SystemThere are many types of

> Dashas, ten of which are based on Nakshatras. Vimshottari Dasha is

held

> to be the most important Dasha System in Jyotisha of Vedic-Puranic

> tradition. Most often, astrologers of this tradition do not even

take

> into consideration other dasha systems and base their conclusions

solely

> upon Vimshottari.

> >

> > But there are two obstacles which prevent accurate timing of

events

> with the help of vimshottari system. One is the use of Drik-pakshiya

> mathematics, ie, modern astronomy , for finding true longitudes of

> planets and ascendant, etc. Second problem is the use of solar year

for

> reckoning, in spite of the fact that all ancient texts explicitly

> mention that the year of vimshottari system comprises of 360 days

only.

> Due to these two errors, the timing of events in vimshottari system

errs

> by many years.

> >

> > Vimshottari system is based upon lunar nakshatra, hence its year

ought

> to be lunar. Indian tradition year is a ccombination of solar and

lunar,

> known as luni-solar year, like other ancient systems. In lunar year,

> there are 360 tithis or lunar days, which is the year of vimshottari

> system. 360 tithis are equal to 354.37 solar days. Therefore, there

is a

> difference of 3% between solar year and vimshottari year. Add to

this 3%

> error the difference on account of Drik-pakshiya and Saur-pakshiya

> positions of Moon. Drik-pakshiya world is the phenomenal sensory

world ,

> which is manifest to human sense organs. It is the material world.

> Saur-pakshiya world is the non-material world in which deities

reside.

> All ancient texts of Vedic-Puranic tradition say that the Grahas of

> Jyotisha are gods and are diverse incarnations of God. God and gods

are

> conscious entities and it is wrong to conceptualize them as material

> bodies. Material planets intruded into astrology only

> > during past one or two millenia, but even today there are a large

> number of astrologers in India who refuse to accept computer

softwares

> based upon modern astronomy, and use traditional almanacs or

panchangas.

> These traditional panchangas are crudely made, yet the vimshottari

> timings based upon them prove to be far more accurate than those

based

> upon materialist astronomy.. Now, highly precise software based upon

> traditional Surya-siddhantic system is also in the market,

distributed

> as a freeware for philanthropic purpose. If birth-time is

approximately

> correct, and few very good or very bad events in the life of a

person is

> known, then precise birth-time can be fixed, and thereafter very

> accurate forecasts can be drawn from this software, accurate upto

> prana-dasha. This software has been tested for natural disasters

like

> floods, earthquakes, cyclones, etc and the result is 100% positive..

> Total annual and fortnightly (actually, during solar nakshatra)

> > rainfall data of past 135 years of India have been tested, and

this

> software is 100% accurate. But this software is not based upon the

> faulty interpretation of Surya-siddhanta by E. Burgess. Instead,

ancient

> Surya-siddhantic methods have been used in it.

> >

> > The maximum amount of correction made in mean Moon according to

> Surya-siddhanta is nearly 1.5 degrees less than that made according

to

> modern astronomy. It is nearly 1 / 9 of a nakshatra which is equal

to

> 13˚:20� . Due to this factor alone, vomshottari period of

> Venus, Saturn and Rahu (lunar node) will vary by 2 years and more.

Add

> to it the difference due to descrepancies between Surya-siddhantic

mean

> Moon with the mean Moon of materialist astronomy. And then add the

3%

> error due to wrong year imposed upon vimshottari system. Total

error in

> timing of vimshottari dashas will be over 5 years in modern era,

when

> differences between mean planets of Surya-siddhanta show minimum

> divergence from those of materialist astronomy. In distant ages, the

> difference was greater. In 21000 years, difference between Drik-

pakshiya

> and Saur-pakshiya positions of planets increases by 180Ëš. Within

> a few centuries, Drik-pakshiya astronomy will lose its charm in

> > astrology as vimshottari dashas will show intolerable errors.

> >

> > Even today, Drik-pakshiya astronomy gives errors of ± 5 years in

> timing of vimshottari dashas. As a result, 19% of Maha-dashas and a

much

> greater portion of antar-dashas are wrong. Pratyantar, sukshma and

prana

> dashas are almost always in the wrong. As a result, astrologers

take a

> recourse to other dasha systems, palmistry, numerology, etc for

> satisfying their clients.. Very few persons are trying to test the

> Surya-siddhantic software, due to the venomous propaganda against

> Surya-siddhanta by materialists. Surya-siddhanta is not a text of

> materialist astronomy, and it is interpreted materialistically by

> materialists, by comparison with planetary positions. The proof of

> Surya-siddhanta is Phalit Jyotisha ( predictive astrology) based

upon

> it, it is wrong to use modern astronomy as a yardstick for testing

the

> reliability of Surya-siddhanta. I have met persons who refuse to

test

> Surya-siddhantic software of Phalit Jyotisha named 'Kundalee',

calling

> > Surya-siddhanta to be an outdated and useless work ! Even

criminals

> get a chance to prove themselves, but Surya-siddhanta is denied this

> chance in a materialist age. By rejecting the only accurate method

of

> astrology, who will prove to be a loser ?

> >

> > Now let us talk about the design of Vimshottari system. Arrange

the

> planets according to the plan as depicted in upper picture. This

> arrangement is based upon planetary distances. Omit Rahu, Ketu and

Moon

> initially, which are not full planets. Inner planets, including

Sun, are

> in the right half of the upper picture. Outer planets are on the

left

> side of the upper picture. Now add up their duration of years as

given

> in the vimshottari dasha system.. In left half, we get

> >

> > (Saturn 19) + (Jupiter 16) + (Mars 7) = 42 years

> >

> > and in right half we get

> >

> > (Mercury 17) + (Venus 20) + (Sun 6) = 43 years

> >

> > Total of all 9 planets is 120 lunar years in the vimshottari

system.

> Both halves should have 60 years each. Left half in upper picture

has a

> deficit of 18 years, which only Rahu can give, and right half has a

> deficit of 17 years which only a combination of Ketu and Moon can

> supply. Thus we get the lower picture of vimshottari dasha system.

Rahu

> and Ketu must be placed opposite to each other, and Moon should be

> placed alongwith the Sun but not between Sun and any planet ( i.e.,

> Venus). It is safe to put Rahu and Ketu away from Sun and Moon .

Since

> distances from the Sun was the basis of this plan, vimshottari dasha

> system ought to start with Sun. As in the lower picture, we get the

> sequence Sun : Moon : Mars : Rahu : Jupiter : Saturn : Mercury :

Ketu :

> Venus which is the sequence given in all ancient texts, esp. by Sage

> Parashara.

> >

> > In adhyaya 3, khanda 16 of Chandogya Upanishada, there are 7

shlokas

> which describe three stages in the lifespan of a person, being of

24, 44

> and 48 years respectively, which are the number of syllables in

three

> important Vedic metres Gayatri, Trishtup and Jagati. Total lifespan

of a

> human being is here said to be of 116 years.

> >

> > In Vimshottari dasha system full lifespan of a human being is

equal to

> 120 lunar years, which is equal to 116.4 solar years which, when

rounded

> off, is same as that given in the Chandogya Upanishada.

> >

> > One question remains to be answered : what is the rationale

behind the

> number of years assigned to different planets in the vimshottari

dasha

> system ? Who will find a plausible answer to this intriguing

question ?

> -VJ

> >

> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

=======

> > Vimshottari Timings for Planets of Mixed AttributesOften a planet

is

> both good and bad, how to decide when we get which result?

> >

> > Often a planet possesses both good and bad attributes. How we

should

> decide when we get which result during the dashas of such a planet

of

> mixed attributes ? For instance, if a student takes appears in an

> examination during the dasha of such a planet, whether he/will get

> through or fail? Or will he hover at the passing point ?

> >

> > For instance, if Jupiter is in moolatrikona in a particular

horoscope

> , it is highly auspicious on account of that. But if it is lord of

6th

> and 11th houses at the same time, it is highly malefic.

> >

> > It is wrong to assume that these opposite attributes cancel each

> other. In rainfall analysis, I found that such planets cause

excessive

> rainfall on account of being in moolatrikona, but cause destruction

from

> rains and/or flooding due to their malefic nature.

> >

> > I have worked for many years in rain prediction, and there I had

faced

> tricky questions. What will be total amount of rainfall due to a

planet

> which is good (eg, exalted) and bad (eg, in 12th house)? The answer

I

> found, from analysis of past data of 136 years procured from IITM

(Pune)

> is that net result will be nearly ±5% of normal rainfall, if other

> planets do not influence that particular region (ie, have no aspect

and

> no relation with rain's karaka). But places pierced (viddha) by

malefic

> planets in Sarvatobhadra chakra in that region will be badly hit by

> excessive or scanty rainfall depending upon magnitude of aspect, and

> places pierced by benefics will be blessed with rains conducive to

good

> harvest.

> >

> > In individual horoscopes, similar situations, however, produce

> different problems. Many persons are confused about malefic and

benefic

> planets. Jupiter as lord of 3rd and 6th houses is malefic, but if

it is

> situated in mooltrikona, it is benefic as well. Now a question

arises :

> when such a planet will give its good results, and when its malefic

> fruits will be reaped ?

> >

> > Rule-I :

> >

> > The answer is simple : during MD (mahadasha) of Jupiter, one will

get

> good results during AD (antardasha) of Jupiter's own AD or ADs of

> friendly relatives, and bad results during ADs of enmical planets.

This

> principle works down to prandasha level.. For instance, if such a

mixed

> Jupiter is karaka of sukshma-dasha, it will give give good results

> during prana-dasha of its friends and bad results during prana-

dasha of

> its enemies.

> >

> > For instance, a native topped school board exams during Jupiter's

MD

> and Jupiter's AD (pratyantara and sukshma were of auspicious planets

> too). But the same native failed to get through the examinations

just

> two years later during AD of Saturn, although Saturn was lord of

4th and

> 5th houses and was therefore auspicious for that native. The cause

was

> mutual enmity and conjunction (yuti) relation between Jupiter and

> Saturn. Jupiter gave its good results during its own AD , but during

> Saturn's AD mainly the malefic results of Jupiter were manifest,

benefic

> results of both Jupiter and Saturn lied dormant. It was the worst

period

> in the life of that native. He could not leave his house for a long

> period due to illness, depression and bad relations with everyone,

and

> failed in examinations.

> >

> > But during Saturn's MD and Jupiter's AD, things were good for the

same

> native, because Saturn, being an auspicious planet (kendresh plus

> trikonesh) gave its good results through its yuti relative jupiter,

and

> suppressed the bad effects of malefic Jupiter due to mutual enmity.

It

> was the best period in the life of same native and he excelled in

> whatever he attempted ! Thus, Jupiter's MD gave both best and worst

> results in the life of a single native.

> >

> > It is a general principle, which works only when aspects of both

> planets (eg, planets causing MD and AD) are nearly equal upon the

bhava

> we are analyzing. If any one of them has very strong influence in

> comparison to the other planet over that particular bhava, the

stronger

> planet will break the above rule and give its own good or bad

fruits in

> proportion of its strength.

> >

> > Net result becomes more complex when influences of other planets

are

> also considered, which we must do, because many influences are

effective

> for whole life irrespective of dasha. For instance, a person will

not

> become long during MD of Saturn and dwarf during MD of Mercury.

> >

> > Rule-II :

> >

> > Now let us consider another problem. Suppose we are in a

situation in

> which we an answer in binary language or yes or no. Eg., whether one

> will pass or fail in an examination, live or die during a critical

> surgery, etc. Mixed answers will not do under such circumstances.

Such

> cases are rare when a patients neither lives nor dies, and relapses

in a

> coma, or a student's result is washed away by floods in the board

> office.

> >

> > In such situations, we have to evaluate the net auspiciousness or

> inauspiciousness of all the five karaka planets of five levels of

> Vimshottari, taking into account benefic and malefic properties of

each

> of them. Long practice coupled with intuition developed by means of

> inner purity helps in this evaluation. During such an evaluation, an

> exalted planet in 12th mansion must be counted as a normal planet.

> >

> > Only general outlines are presented here. Both of above laws work

> always work perfectly, but only when we follow the siddhanta

> (mathematics) of ancient sages.

> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ======

> > I said above " Both of above laws work always work perfectly, but

only

> when we follow the siddhanta (mathematics) of ancient sages. "

> >

> > Prevalent methods of computing Vimshottari dashas contain two

major

> sources of error in timing, one on account of Drikpakshiya Moon and

> another on account of wrong duration of 'year' used. Canonical texts

> strictly define Vimshottari' s year to be of 360 days. Solar year is

> slightly over 365 days. Hence, Solar year must not be used for

> Vimshottari. Vimshottari is made from lunar asterism (nakshatra).

Hence

> its year is lunar. Lunar year is of 360 lunar days (tithis). This is

> Vimshottari' s year. Unfortunately, few astrologers use this correct

> year for Vimshottari computations. As a result, there is a 3.07%

error

> in the length of Vimshottari year. If true moon is acurately

computed,

> Vimshottari timing at birth will be correct, but will err by one

year

> after 32.57 years, by two years after 65 years, and so on. As a

result,

> 8% of mahadasha timings and 70% of antar-dasha timings will be

wrong !

> Very few persons will have accurate pratyantaras in their

> > Vimshottari tables ! If birthtime true moon is also wrong, there

will

> be greater error !

> >

> > Among all the Vedic softwares I have hitherto seen, only two

softwares

> give the option of selecting lunar year in computing Vimshottari,

and

> few people take advantage of these options ! New theories of

predictive

> astrology (Phalit Jyotisha) are being invented to account for the

> mismatch in predictions and reality, instead of trying the ancient

> method of sages.

> >

> > Some practising astrologers knew this mismatch in timing, but did

not

> know the reason. Dr Kameshwar Upadhyaya, former editor of Vishwa

> Panchanga published by BHU (Benaras Hindu University), told me many

> years ago that all planets start giving results many months before

their

> real Vimshottari timing begins. At that time, he was using solar

year

> for Vimshottari reckoning. He is one of the most busy practising

> astrologers of Varanasi and has analysed a remendous number of

> horoscopes made with the help of all sorts of methods. Now he is

> convinced that lunar year should be used for Vimshottari reckoning,

but

> fears that majority of astrologers will become his opponent due to

> professional reasons, hence keeps quiet but uses lunar year in his

own

> computations. Same is the case with some other reputed astrologers.

> >

> > But there is another, more serious, problem : use of Drikpakshiya

Moon

> in Vedic Astrology, which results in considerable error in

Vimshottari

> reckoning. But the magnitude of this error remains constant

throughout

> the life of a native. For instance, if a planet starts giving its

> results 6 months before its computed time according to lunar year,

all

> planets will show same error of 6 months throughout the life of that

> native. Hence, it will be easy to recognize that there is an error

of 6

> months, which can be remedied by using Saurpakshiya correctives

> according to ancient techniques. Magnitude of this error is

different

> for different persons, sometimes running into years !

> >

> > How long this wrong Vimshottari year will prevail is a matter of

our

> collective choice. Test of the pudding lies in tasting it.

Predictive

> (Phalita) astrology of Vedic sages is an exact science, provided we

keep

> true to their Ganita. Grahas of Vedic Jyotisha are deities,

according to

> all ancient authorities, and deities cannot be perceived sensorily.

I

> have dared to write on this blasphemous topic in an age of

materialism,

> in which material objects of sky are believed to be deities. Let me

see

> what is the reaction ! -VJ

> > ============ ========= ========= ========= ========= =========

> ========= ====

> >

> > The Secret Magic of Vimshottari

> > It is a universally accepted fact that any faultless astrological

> technique of exact timing of events either does not exist or lies

> hidden, although philistine astrologers (nakshatrasoochakas ) may

> declare themselves to be omniscient.

> >

> > All known methods in Vedic Astrology can be divided into two

> categories, as far as mathematics is concerned : (1) those dependent

> upon modern physical astronomy and (2) those relying on traditional

> methods. Both these categories have numerous variants. Major

problem in

> the first camp is astrologically correct value of ayanamsha, and

main

> problem in second camp is computational crudities of various types.

> >

> > We assume that both these camps take for granted that in

mathematics

> sidereal (nirayana) system is correct and in predictive astrology

> (phalita jyotisha) Brihat-Parashara- Hora-Shastra (BPHS) and ancient

> texts based on or akin to BPHS are to be relied upon, because that

is

> the accepted meaning of Vedic Astrology or Jyotisha.

> >

> > There cannot be mutually incompatible two correct techniques of

> timing, either both of them or at least one of them must be

incorrect.

> As far as the first school based on physical astronomy is

concerned, all

> possible values of ayanamsha have been experimented with during

past one

> hundred years, without any conclusive outcome in the favour of any

> single value of ayanamsha. It proves that even after we get some

perfect

> solution to the problem of ayanamsha, there must be other

unrecognized

> errors which must be removed if we want any exact technique in

timing of

> events. One such source of error is erroneous length of the

Vimshottari

> year.. Some software developers, like Sri Jyoti Star in the USA and

> Kundalee in India, have experimented with various types of

Vimshottari

> years, without any conclusive result, because a third source of

error

> was never noticed by any practitioner of Vedic Astrology among the

> computer using guys : hidden Saurpakshiya offsets in

> > Drikpakshiya longitudes of planets. Most of the computer using

> astrologers might not have heard these esoteric terms, whiich are

> fundamental in the curriculum of Vedic Jyotisha taught in Sanskrit

> universities of India. These are ancient concepts, and Ketaki

system had

> revived these concepts during 20th century. Kamlakara Bhatta was the

> most staunch proponent of this Saurpakshiya mathematics during

recent

> centuries, but due to Western hegemony and faith in modern science

this

> ancient system was never tried by any software developer.

> >

> > Many reputed scholars of Sanskrit universities on India have

concluded

> that unless this beejsamskrita (offset corrected) method of

> Suryasidhanta is adopted, foolproof timing of events will remain a

> distant dream. On 18 Oct 2005, after two days of discussions in a

> conference held at Sampoornanand Sanskrit University in Varanasi, an

> unanimous decision was taken by academic stalwarts from six states

of

> India that all panchangas of India ought to be made according to

> Suryasidhanta and a committee headed by me (Vinay Jha) was formed to

> implement this unanimous decision, whose parties were Dr Nagendra

Pandey

> (currently HOD of Jyotisha at Sampoornanand Sanskrit University in

> Varanasi), Dr Shukdeva Chaturvedi (former HOD of Lalbahadur Shastri

> Kendriya Vidyapeetha in Delhi), Dr Ramchandra Pandey (former HOD of

> Jyotisha of Benaras Hindu University, Varanasi), Dr Radhakanta

Mishra

> (currently HOD of Jyotisha at KSD Sanskrit University in Bihar),

etc.

> This unanimous

> > decision was implemented and eight panchangas were started in

many

> states of India and a horoscope making Kundalee software was also

> launched, based on the same beejsamskrita Suryasidhantic

mathematics.

> >

> > Mathematical discussion of this tricky affair is not advisable

here.

> My aim here is merely to illustrate, with some examples, this

> traditional method of Vedic Ganita (mathematics) , which was simply

> known as Siddhanta (theory) by all ancient astrologers of India.

Without

> a sound Siddhanta, a sound predictive astrology is just impossible.

> There were 18 ancient Siddhantas, of which Surya Siddhanta was

lauded as

> the best by Varah Mihir. The beauty and greatness of BPHS cannot be

> properly fathomed unless we use the Ganita (Surya Siddhanta) of

those

> very ancient masters who created Phalita.

> >

> > Some rules must be observed before we proceed. Rashi chart should

be

> used only for determining friendships, aspects, strengths,

debilities,

> etc of planets. Predictive work should be entirely based upon the

> Bhava-chalita kundali. Many astrologers use Rashi kundali for

predictons

> because it saves time, and this habit has now become almost a rule !

> Ascendant is defined as a point in ecliptic. The latter is

elliptical.

> Hence, ascendant and consequent bhavas are all parts of this solar

> ellipse. Rashi kundali is circular and therefore all 12 parts are

equal.

> But bhavachalita kundali is elliptical because its 12 bhavas are

> unequal.

> >

> > Now we come to our main theme. Birthtime bhavachalita (D1) and

> navamamsha (D9) kundalis and associated aspect charts are given in

> following two pictures. Let us explore the timing of marriage of a

> registered user (cf. http://www.mysticbo ard.com/viewtopi

> c.php?t=58583 & postdays= 0 & postorder= asc & start= 0) according to BPHS

and

> Laghuparashari. All the rules and techniques used below are well

known

> to all Vedic astrologers, but these rules work with perfection only

if

> all the three mathematical offsets are taken into account. Following

> analysis is based on a software (Kundalee) in which all necessary

> corrections proposed by aforementioned academics have been taken

into

> account.

> >

> > Birthtime : 17:07:1983 at 19:34, Nellore (14:27 N, 80:02 E)

> > Marriage time : 10:08:2006 at 11:04, Hyderabad

> >

> > Saurpakshiya Vimshottari at the time of marriage :

> > MahaDasha(MD) = Jup, AD = Sat, PD = Rahu,SD = Ven,PrD = Merc

> > Let us consider birthtime Bhava-chalita (D1) and Navamasha(D9)

charts.

> Following is the aspects (max. 60) on 7th house :

> > Jup = 51 ; Ketu = 39 ; Sat = 38 ; Moon = 10 ; Rahu = 6 ; others =

0.

> > Merury resides in 7th house.

> >

> > Due to more aspect on 7th house than any other planet, marriage

took

> place in Jupiter's MD.

> >

> > But Ketu and Saturn have nearly equal aspect on 7th. Ketu has Yuti

> relation with Jupiter, but Saturn has a yuti relation with lord of

the

> 7th house Moon.

> >

> > Firstly, Jupiter's being lord of 3rd and 12th houses and being

merely

> samagrihi in 11th house is far weaker than exalted Saturn in 9th

house

> with lord of 7th Moon. Hence, yuti relation with Jupiter is not

> imparting enough weightage to Ketu in its contention with Saturn as

a

> force to reckon with as regards 7th house.

> >

> > Secondly, Jupiter is friendly to both Ketu and Saturn in

bhavachalita,

> but in D9 Jupiter is friendly to Saturn but enmical (tatkalika) to

Ketu,

> the latter being further weakened by being placed in 12th house. It

> forced Ketu out of the race, and made Saturn factor of AD.

> >

> > Moon in spite of being lord of 7th house had only 10' aspect and

in D9

> was debilitated in D9, hence it went out of the race. Mercury is

combust

> (asta) with debilitated Sun, hence it was powerless. Jayakaraka

Venus is

> lord of 8th house, resides in 6th and has no aspect on 7th. Hence

it had

> no effect on marriage. In bhavachalita, all other planets are

totally

> ineffective in this regard. In D9, exalted Saturn has yuti relation

with

> Mercury and Rahu. Since Mercury is combust in bhavachalita, Rahu

emerges

> as the most powerful contender for factor behind pratyantara dasha

when

> we consider the combined effect of bhavachalita and D9.

> >

> > Among the remaining, we find Jayakaraka Venus as factor of SD and

> Mercury sitting in 7th as factor of Prandasha, in spite of their

> weaknesses, because all other planets are totally ineffectve.

Mercury is

> 10°:34':35'' degrees away from Sun (after applying Saurpakshiya

> offset in longitudes according to ancient canons), and is therefore

not

> totally combust. Venus is also not too bad, and therefore its

property

> of Jayakaraka was not totally destroyed on account of residing in

8th

> and lacking aspect on 7th.

> >

> > Careful comparison of all planets in D1and D9 with regard to their

> influences on 7th house should be made by readers to determine the

five

> planets needed for Vimshottari timing. D1 is bhavachalita and not

> Rashi-chart, because BPHS explicitly uses the word Lagna for D1, and

> ancient mathematical canon (Suryasiddhanta) defines Lagna as in

terms of

> elliptical ecliptic and not in terms of circular bha-vritta. If such

> precautions are taken, measure of error in determination of time of

> events will gradually reduce.

> > In the chart of husband of this native, two planets are so

powerful

> for the 7th house that they were repeated in Vimshottari sequence

> Ineffectiveness of other planets also contributed to this.

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---------

> --------- --------- ---This topic is growing too big. Such problems

> should be solved by means of comparison of both types of softwares,

> popular ones, and Suryasiddhantic. It is not possible to wipe out

> Suryasiddhanta in spite of centuries of propaganda against it by

Semitic

> invaders and their intellectual offsprings. Suryasiddhanta is not a

text

> of physical astronomy, its Grahas are incarnations of gods. BPHS

also

> holds same views. Physical planets have no power to control

destinies of

> men and nations, and they cannot be propitiated either. If material

> planets are accepted to be factors in astrology, their forces must

be

> material forces. But how can we compare the gigantic material

forces of

> Sun and Jupiter with Mercury ? And what is the material force of

Rahu or

> Ketu ? Injecting materialism in astrology is destroying it.

Jyotisha,

> being Vedanga, is a part of Veda, and is a part of religion

> > rather than of material science. Its criterion of truth is not

> heavenly position of material objects perceived by sense organs,

but the

> reliability of Phalita (predictive branch of astrology). 2000 AD

was the

> year of minimum amount of offset in longitudes between Drikpakshiya

> (physical) and Saurpakshiya (Suryasiddhantic) planets. Now, this

offset

> has begun to increase, and will reach the value of 180° in 23000

AD.

> When this offset was considerable, no one talked of material

objects.

> Observatories are things of Kaliyuga. Astrological Grahas are

deities

> who control lives of creatures.

> >

> > Reading such arguments, some people start crying wolf about

> obscurantism. But they forget that all great scientists like Newton,

> Neils Bohr, Einstein and Schröedinger were believers in God, the

> last of them being a staunch supporter of Vedanta who got a Nobel

Prize

> by proving through his Wave Mechanics that material things are mere

> perceptions and nothing exists in the universe excepting Waves (of

> Consciousness? ) : this is what Badarayana and Shankaracharya

taught!

> > My chief concern here is to bring to notice some little known

aspects

> of Vimshottari and of the mathematical aspects of astrology. The

purpose

> of this topic is not to assert that Vimshottari is enough for

timing of

> events. There are other techniques in Vedic Astrology. But

Vimshottari

> is by far the most important of all, and its importance has reduced

due

> to three factors already pointed out by me : wrong ayanamsha, wrong

> length of Vimshottari year, and wrong or no longitudinal offsets in

> planetary positions.

> >

> > Test of the pudding lies in tasting it, not by merely discussing

it !

> Kundalee software is free for all. -VJ

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