Venus 7 and other houses

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends,

We all must congratulate, dear NARASIMHA RAO JI, for bringing a age old

but forgotten concept of Sage Parasara ( like upchya and argala or badhaka houses).

 

Kindly refer chapter 32-Planetary Karakatwas(Santhanam Edition) of BPHS.

 

Sloka 22 to 24 and 31 to 34 of this chapter are interpreted as under:

 

SUN-is karka of 1st house-self, soul etc and 9th house W.R.T father.

Similarly 9H from Sun and 9H is seat of father.

JUPITER-is karka of 2H-FAMILY FINANCE AND SPOUSE.

Similarly 2H from Jupiter and 2h from 2H ( BHAVAT BHAVA PRICIPLE) will represent all

these significations .

MARS - is Karka of 3rd house-courage, younger co-born;

Similarly 3rd house from Mars as well 3H

will represent these significations.

MOON - is karka of 4 th house and mother.

Similarly 4H from Moon and 4H will represent these significations.

JUPITER - is karka 5H-progeny and wisdom

Similarly 5H from Jupiter and 5H also represent these significations.

MARS - is the karka of 6H- enemies ,debts and accidents ..

Similarly 6H from Mars and 6H represent these significations

MERCURY - is the karka of maternal uncle and aunt who are represented by 6H.

Similarly 6H from Mercury and 6H also represent maternal uncle.

VENUS - is karka of 7H -Spouse, business partner

Similarly 7H from Venus is the seat of partners.( 7H from 7H does not

Represent spouse or business partner as Lagna is specifically assigned to

Self).

SATURN- is karka of 8H - death or longevity.

Similarly 8H from Saturn and 8H represent death.

JUPITER - is karka 9H-fortune and preceptor.

Similarly 9H from Jupiter and 9H will represent fortune.

MERCURY-- is karka of 10H- hounour;

Similarly 10H from Mercury and 10H will represent honour and status.

JUPITER - is karka of 11H -gains and elder co-borns,

Similarly 11H from Jupiter and 11H represent them.

SATURN - is the karka of 12H and expenditure;

Similarly 12H from Saturn and 12H represent expenditure.

KETU - is the karka of 12H for final emancipation;

Similarly 12H from Ketu represent Mokccha.

 

The principle suggested by Mr. Rao is applicable to all Bhava karka’s and bhavas.

This chapter also discuss char and sthir karkatwa of planets also , which should not

be mixed wiyh bhava karka's.

Regards,

G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIADear Friends,

We all must congratulate ,dear NARSHINHA JI, for bringing a age old

but forgotten concept of Sage Parasara ( like upchya and argala or badhaka houses).

 

Kindly refer chapter

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[Guest guest]

Namaste Goel ji,

 

What is special in that PVR's statement.... this is old thing....nothing

new in it......known to majority of astrologers...... by praising PVR

exclusively on this - is nothing by sychophancy. As a student of BVB

and associate of Sri K.N. Rao, you should be knowing this much

earlier.....did you not read this principle was being written by Sri

K.N. Rao in his book on Planets & Education..etc. ?? where he mentions

take 5H from Mercury also ??

 

If you really feel the principle of argala ....etc.. as discovered by

Mr. PVR can you explain why he is a poor predictor ?? unable to apply

the principles ?? I am open to focussed technical debate on

this.....let us test our knowledgebase and techniques...instead of

making the subject astrology more complex..... as I always took a

principle stand that to de-mystify the subject astrology to a

simplistic application.

 

It is pathetic to note senior astros or elders like you, blindly

eulogize otherwise ordinary people into demi-gods.

 

Are anyone ready to take this up ??

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

[Guest guest]

Dear Goelji,

 

Sreeramji is right. We have completed chapter 32 and just finished

chapter 33 of BPHS in our vedic astrology classes online. Not only

PVRji but ordinary people like us have also brought this out. Praising

PVRji would mean that this was written by him. You may kindly refer to

the translation and discussion we are doing in the classes.

 

Regards,

Bhagavathi

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

I have utmost respect for PVR-ji and at the same time do consider

myself fairly liberal in my views ...but the principle stated by

respected Goel-ji is no secret. I am sure most of us use this in a chart.

 

However, giving Goel-ji the benefit of doubt, it could be that the

context in which PVR-ji presented this be of innovative thinking. If

he could present the original mail by PVR-ji, that probably could have

made more sense. However, the principle is surely age-old and very

popular, if not elementary.

 

Student Always,

 

Souvik

 

,

" bhagavathi_hariharan " <bhagavathi_hariharan wrote:

>

> Dear Goelji,

>

> Sreeramji is right. We have completed chapter 32 and just finished

> chapter 33 of BPHS in our vedic astrology classes online. Not only

> PVRji but ordinary people like us have also brought this out. Praising

> PVRji would mean that this was written by him. You may kindly refer to

> the translation and discussion we are doing in the classes.

>

> Regards,

> Bhagavathi

>

[Guest guest]

Dear friends,

 

Below is the context in which Goel-ji posted his mail. He probably

(and perhaps innocently) replies to all groups at once which may throw

some of us context-less ( please take it lightly).

 

PVR-ji wrote this below mail on Feb 14, 2009 in sohamsa group. I

apologize to PVR-ji (although he is not a member of this group) and

Goel-ji to copy-pasting someone else's email from another group on

this group, however my motive is just to set the context.

 

Student always,

 

Souvik

 

 

If I am not mistaken, this is the context:

 

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Namaste,

 

> You have mentioned some exciting aspects of special lagna and

> specifically mentioned by Ve7. You may kindly give the information

> as to which book I have to refer to know these concepts in detail

> I am 63 years oldman who enjoys your contribution on Astrology.

> I will be grateful if you would kindly enlighten me on this.

 

This is just research. It is not from a classic or a parampara. So it

is not covered by any classic or modern book.

 

Inspired by Parasara's teachings on special lagnas, I just generalized

it and followed up on the result of my intuition with some practical

testing. In my limited research, I found these special planetary

lagnas to be interesting.

 

I can give some examples using Ve7. If this makes no sense to you,

please ignore the research. If it makes sense to you, please feel free

to use the knowledge, develop it further and also spread it freely.

 

* * *

 

Definition of Ve7: Ve7 is a special lagna like hora lagna, ghati lagna

etc. We can perhaps call it " Sukra Dara Lagna " . At the time Venus

rises (i.e. lagna and Venus are conjunct), Ve7 is at the same

longitude as Venus. It will complete 7 revolutions around the zodiac

and reach the longitude of Venus at the time of next day's rise of

Venus. It moves at a uniform speed. So it moves by 7x360 deg in about

24 hours, i.e. 105 deg every hour. JHora's " special lagna research "

feature can be used to show it in charts.

 

If you use Sun instead of Venus and 5 instead of 7 as the speed

factor, you get Ghati Lagna. Ghati lagna has to do with power and

authority, while Ve7 has to do with marriage.

 

Use of Ve7: Parasara said that BL, HL, GL etc can be used as

references and houses can be found from them just like lagna. In my

experience, I found that Ve7 and 7th from it are important for

marriage. Usually, antardasa of marriage (based on nakshatra dasa) is

related to a planet linking the 7th from Ve7 with lagna in some

manner. In the annual Tithi Pravesha chart of the year of marriage

also, you will find a strong link between the 7th from Ve7 and lagna.

 

* * *

 

Example 1: Birthdata is 1970 April 4, 5:47:13 pm (IST), 81e12, 16n15.

In the natal rasi chart, Ve7 is in Ge. The 7th lord from Ve7 is

Jupiter. He and lagna lord Mercury aspect each other. Saturn-Jupiter

antardasa gave marriage.

 

Look at 1993-94 annual TP chart. Ve7 is in Cancer. Lord of Ve7 is Moon

and 7th lord from Ve7 is Saturn. Both join lagna lord Mercury in the

9th house of dharma from lagna. In Moon's annual TA dasa, the native

got married.

 

Example 2: Birthdata is 1970 October 5, 12:34 pm (IST), 80e21, 15n49.

Ve7 is in Sc. The 7th lord from Ve7 is Venus and he joins lagna lord

Jupiter. Venus-Venus antardasa as per Chaturaseeti sama dasa (10th

lord is in 10th and hence use this dasa) gave marriage.

 

Look at 1998-99 annual TP chart. Ve7 is in Ge. The 7th lord from Ve7

is Jupiter. He is in samasaptaka from lagna lord Venus. Marriage

happened in Venus-Jupiter antardasa as per annual TP chart.

 

Example 3: Birthdata is 1973 July 26, 9:45:30 pm (IST), 80e28, 16n13.

Ve7 is in Cn. The 7th lord from Ve7 is Saturn. He has 10th aspect on

lagna. Lagna lord Jupiter occupies 7th from Ve7. Jupiter-Saturn

antardasa gave marriage.

 

Look at 1998-99 annual TP chart. Ve7 is in Pi. The 7th lord from Ve7

is Mercury and he joins lagna lord Sun. The 7th lord Rahu is in lagna

and he aspects the 7th from Ve7. So he too connects the 7th from Ve7

with lagna. His annual TA dasa gave marriage.

 

Example 4: Birthdata is 1971 September 12, 8:25 am (IST), 80e23,

16n13. Ve7 is in Ar. The 7th from Ve7 and lagna are both in Li. Its

lord is Venus. He is with Sun and Mercury and Mars aspects him by 8th

aspect. Using Sataabdika dasa started from lagna, Mercury-Mars

antardasa gave marriage.

 

Look at 1992-93 annual TP chart. Ve7 is in Le. The 7th house from Ve7

is aspected by Jupiter and he joins lagna lord Venus. Jupiter-Jupiter

antardasa as per annual TA dasa brought marriage.

 

Example 5: Birthdata is 1975 July 13, 4:04 pm (IST), 81e06, 16n42. Ve7

is in Vi. The 7th house is Pi and Rahu in lagna aspects it. Rahu-Rahu

antardasa brought marriage.

 

Look at the 2000-01 annual TP chart. Ve7 is in Ar. The 7th lord from

Ve7 is Venus. He is in lagna with lagna lord Mercury. Marriage

happened in Mercury-Venus antardasa as per annual TA chart.

 

Example 6 (Rajiv Gandhi): Birthdata is 1944 August 20, 7:12:45 am

(IST), 72e49, 18n58. Ve7 is in Cn. The 7th lord from it is Saturn and

he is aspecting lagna by 3rd aspect. Rahu has 7th aspect on the 7th

from Ve7 and 2nd aspect on lagna. He too connects them. Saturn-Rahu

antardasa as per Shashtihayani dasa brought marriage.

 

Look at 1967-68 annual TP chart. Ve7 is in Vi. The 7th lord from Ve7

is Jupiter. He aspects lagna. Jupiter's annual TA dasa brought marriage.

 

Example 7: Birthdata is 1972 June 1, 4:16 am (IST), 81e12, 16n15. Ve7

is in Cn. The 7th from Ve7 is Cp. Lagna lord Mars aspects it by 8th

aspect. The 7th lord from Ve7 is Saturn. He joins the dispositor of

lagna lord, Mercury, and Sun also joins them. She got married in

Mars-Sun antardasa.

 

Look at 1993-94 annual TP chart. Ve7 is in Vi. The 7th lord from Ve7

is Jupiter and he is in lagna. The 7th from Ve7 has exalted Venus and

he aspects lagna. Jupiter-Venus antardasa as per annual TA dasa

brought marriage.

 

Example 8 (George Bush): Birthdata is 1946 July 6, 7:30 am (4 hrs west

of GMT), New Haven, CT, USA (72w55'43 " , 41n18'29 " ). Ve7 is in Pi. The

7th from Ve7 has Jupiter and lagna lord Moon. Dwisaptati sama dasa

applies as 7th lord Saturn is in lagna. As per that dasa, he got

married in Moon-Jupiter antardasa.

 

In the annual TP chart of 1977-78, Ve7 is in Vi. The 7th from Ve7 is

aspected by Moon and Rahu, who are in lagna. He got married in

Moon-Rahu antardasa as per annual TA dasa.

 

* * *

 

Ve7 is only one example. Several other planetary special lagnas based

on other planets and other houses can be defined. They can also be

used. This is an area for research.

 

For example, find Ke12 by starting at Ketu's longitude when Ketu

rises, progress *anti-zodiacally* at a uniform speed to go around the

zodiac (in reverse) 12 times in the next 24 hours. That is how Ke12 is

found. It changes sign in every 10 min. Count the 12th house

anti-zodiacally from Ke12. When dasas activate links between that and

lagna, important events relating to spiritual detachment happen.

Interestingly, Ramakrishna Paramahamsa, Ramana Maharshi, Aurobindo

Ghose and Swami Chandrasekhara Saraswati all have lagna in the 12th

house from Ke12 when counted anti-zodiacally. It is a very interesting

coincidence.

 

* * *

 

GL defined by Parasara is nothing but Su5 in the special planetary

lagna notation of JHora. Planets linking the 5th from GL to lagna can

bring political power based on my research.

 

Let us revisit example 8. The 5th lord from GL is Jupiter. He joins

lagna lord Jupiter. As per Dwisaptati sama dasa dasa, Jupiter dasa

during April 2000-April 2009 pretty much coincides with his presidency

(political power). Mercury is the 8th lord from GL and he is in lagna.

In his antardasa, his second term ended.

 

Let us see one more example.

 

Example 9 (Dr Murli Manohar Joshi): Birthdata is 1934 January 5, 10:17

am (IST), 77e13, 28n40. GL is in Le. The 5th lord from GL is Jupiter

and he aspects lagna lord by 5th aspect. His dasa started in 1997 and

he became a central minister in India in 1998. Ketu is in 12th from GL

and has rasi drishti on lagna (he has no graha drishti and hence we

see rasi drishti only). His antardasa in 2004-2005 brought loss of

political power. Moon antardasa in Jupiter dasa is running now. Moon

has half aspect on the 5th from GL and aspects lagna. He can give

political power again.

 

In the 1998-99 annual TP chart, GL is in Le. The 5th lord from GL is

Jupiter. He is with lagna lord Mars. He became a central minister in

Jupiter's annual TA dasa.

 

Example 10 (JFK): Birthdata is 1917 May 29, 4 pm (4 hours west of

GMT), Brookline, MA, USA (71e7'18 " , 42n19'54 " ). Lagna is in vargottama

and Sataabdika dasa started from lagna applies. He became a

congressman in Jupiter-Jupiter antardasa and president in Jupiter-Moon

antardasa. Jupiter is the 5th lord from GL and aspects lagna. Moon is

in GL and has half aspect on 5th from GL and lagna lord.

 

In the 1960-61 annual TP chart, GL is in Li. The 5th lord from GL is

Saturn. He is in Sg and aspects Ge lagna and lagna lord Mercury in Ge.

Saturn's annual TA dasa gave him victory in presidential elections.

 

* * *

 

Links between lagna and houses from planetary special lagnas seem to

be important for important events in both natal charts (using the most

appropriate nakshatra dasa) and annual Tithi Pravesha charts (using

Tithi Ashtottari dasa).

 

Best regards,

Narasimha

---------------------------

 

, " Souvik Dutta "

<explore_vulcan wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> I have utmost respect for PVR-ji and at the same time do consider

> myself fairly liberal in my views ...but the principle stated by

> respected Goel-ji is no secret. I am sure most of us use this in a

chart.

>

> However, giving Goel-ji the benefit of doubt, it could be that the

> context in which PVR-ji presented this be of innovative thinking. If

> he could present the original mail by PVR-ji, that probably could have

> made more sense. However, the principle is surely age-old and very

> popular, if not elementary.

>

> Student Always,

>

> Souvik

>

> ,

> " bhagavathi_hariharan " <bhagavathi_hariharan@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Goelji,

> >

> > Sreeramji is right. We have completed chapter 32 and just finished

> > chapter 33 of BPHS in our vedic astrology classes online. Not only

> > PVRji but ordinary people like us have also brought this out.

Praising

> > PVRji would mean that this was written by him. You may kindly

refer to

> > the translation and discussion we are doing in the classes.

> >

> > Regards,

> > Bhagavathi

> >

>

[Guest guest]

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Goelji,

What you are telling is like rediscovering India by Christopher

Columbus after Vasco-Da-Gama.

Again, didn't India exist before Vasco-da-gama reached India?Didn't

the Indian scholars travelled & the greeks came to india to learn

astronomy & gave us some secrets of astrology in returns?

There is also a controversy that Christ came to Kashmir & according to

Orissa tradtion & story, Christ also visited Jagannath Temple(in a

small story, it is mentioned as " Juggernaut temple!!).

Probably we will see a new BPHS written & claimed to be the original,

but alas!!Who will vouch for it??Parasara is dead long ago....

Gaurav.

[Guest guest]

Namaste Goel ji,

 

As there is life before and beyond the current one....similarly there is

lot more literature on these other than given in Parashara BPHS which

every one strongly believes to be " COLLECTION " of astro_literature.

Sreenadh would be writing on this shortly ...... which you will find it

more authentic than what you might already gone through.....

 

We can discuss this in details later on.

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

[Guest guest]

Dear freinds,

 

The interpretation part is what makes the difference between a good BPHS

and a not so good one. And same goes for other texts. When the authors

mention their own explanations beneath the shloka translation , that

makes the material and content worth reading or not, and also

contributes to each ones experience and perceptions about BPHS or the

other texts.

 

I recently purchased a Xerox copy of a Book which originally cost rs.15-

but I paid Rs.285- to a freind in Bombay for the translated English

version of " Jatak Parijata " . The author was V.Subrahmanya Sastri, and

asI mentioned the second edition of the copy published in 1971 just cost

Rs.15- only. (548 Pages)

 

But this translations was worth reading. The Index of this Translation

itself runs into 20 Pages, with a person easily coming to know which

shloka to read for what purpose from the index itself. I do not know

when I will complete reading this book, because we are already reading

10-15 books at a time simultaensously, so one never knows, when it will

be left and another one picked.

 

regards/Bhaskar.

[Guest guest]

Dear Sriniwas,

 

I didn't knew that shri Gopal Goel was also have been associated with

Shri K N Rao.

I think he is presently the course director of SJC.

 

Regards,

Vijay Goel

Jaipur.

[Guest guest]

||Jai Ramakrishna||

Dear Vijayji,

Yes. Mr.G.K.Goel was associated with Mr.K.N.Rao(in the 80s I guess!!).

You can find his name, being associated with Mr.Rao in the book " Learn

successful predictive techniques of Hindu Astrology " .But then, they

had to sever ties, for obvious reasons.

Thank you,

Gaurav.

 

, Vijay Goel

<goyalvj wrote:

>

> Dear Sriniwas,

>

> I didn't knew that shri Gopal Goel was also have been associated with

> Shri K N Rao.

> I think he is presently the course director of SJC.

>

> Regards,

> Vijay Goel

> Jaipur.

>

[Guest guest]

thank all group members

 

wrote:

> ||Jai Ramakrishna| |

> Dear Vijayji,

> Yes. Mr.G.K.Goel was associated with Mr.K.N.Rao(in the 80s I guess!!).

> You can find his name, being associated with Mr.Rao in the book " Learn

> successful predictive techniques of Hindu Astrology " .But then, they

> had to sever ties, for obvious reasons.

> Thank you,

> Gaurav.

> ancient_indian_ astrology , Vijay Goel

> <goyalvj > wrote:

>>

>> Dear Sriniwas,

>>

>> I didn't knew that shri Gopal Goel was also have been associated with

>> Shri K N Rao.

>> I think he is presently the course director of SJC.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Vijay Goel

>> Jaipur.

>>

>

 

 

 

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