Ravana's Contributions

March 15, 2009

Dear All, Now a days the text "Uddisa Maha Tantra" is getting sold in the market with the name "Ravana Samhita" and that too for a big price. So I thought a small write-up about the contributions of Ravana will not be out of place. So here it is -============================================Ravana's Contributions Ravana the ancient king of Lanka was well known for his knowledge and contributions. The Sri Lankans have a high regard for Ravana, and the archaeological evidences thought to be supporting the existence of Ravana in Sri Lanka is still available. In that ancient past India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Central Russia, Afghanistan, Singapore, Cambodia, Malesia, Indonesia, Bali etc were all part of the single Hindu culture with minor differences only. The Tantric and Vedic religions where keeping their head high with their contributions. Don't ask me which is this ancient past you are speaking about - I don't have a date to specify. The only thing I know is that this period was after the advent of Sanskrit language and literature, after the advent of Vedas. Even though a Tantric, and a supporter of Asura religion (Iranian Ahur Mazda/Asura Medha tradition?), Ravana knew the Vedas and was ardent worshiper of God Siva. He was obsessed with the devotion towards Siva (lord Mahakala) that in every work of his (i.e Ravana's) we can find the stamps of his devotion to Siva. His contribution to both Vedic and Tantric religion was excellent and should be remembered even for the generations to come. The same should be told about his contribution to Music, Ayurveda and Astrology as well. I will try to provide a brief info about his available contributions.1) Pada Padha of Rigveda (Vedic)------- It is believed that it was Ravana who prepared the Pada padha of Rigveda. Considering the complexity of Jada padha etc it should be said that in the absence of proper Pada Padha the whole of Rigvedic knowledge would have been lost. If the Rigvedic text and knowledge is still available today, then definitely it is indebted to "Pada padha of Rigveda" supposed to have been prepared by Ravana. I wonder whether the ardent opposers of Ravana and the Saiva and Asura traditions he stood for, know this or not. These are the Vedic supporters, the supporters of Rama and Vaishnavite tradition who find pleasure in abusing Ravana and the Saiva, Asura traditions. If they were aware of Ravana's contribution to the present survival of even the Vedic brahmanical religion, they would not have abused him this much!2) Uddisa Mahatantra (Tantric)------- Similarly valuable is Ravana's contribution to Tantric religion, as evident from Uddisa mahatantra which is now being sold with the name 'Ravana Samhita'. This is a book that deals with Tantric knowledge and Shadkarma sadhana. Don't get cheated by the new name i.e. Ravana Samhita given to it by some publishers to increase its sale. This books is NOT about astrology and not about Samhita branch of astrology (i.e. medini jyotisha alias mundane astrology) at all, but about Tantra. This is a well known book in Tantric literature known from ancient past itself. If only you are interested in ancient Tantric systems and Shadkarma, then only buy this book; otherwise it won't be of much use to you. Anyway, Uddisa Maha Tantra is a good book on Tantra and Shadkarma sadhana.3) Arka Prakasham (Astrology)----- Ravana's contribution to astrology (or Ravana's tradition of astrology) is visible in the ancient text 'Arka Prakasha' written as a conversation between Ravana and Mandodari. It is written as a question-answer between King Ravana and his revered wife Mandodari. This text is available and can give a good idea about the astrological development during the period of Ravana. This text mainly deals with Horory astrology.4) Nadi Pareeksha (Ayurveda)---- There is a well known book in Ayurvdea that deals with Nadi pariksha (measurement of heartbeat and breath pattern and thus judging the diseases). I am yet to see this book, but it is said that this book is available even today.5) Siva Tandava Stotra (Tantric Devotion)------------------- Siva Tandava Stotra is very popular. This great rhythmic prayer to Siva is available in the files section of this group as well. This single most literary contribution is enough to keep Ravana in popular memory for long. I love this poem - it is so beautiful and soul enriching!6) Music (Karnatic Music)-------------------------------- In Karnatic music, Ravana is treated as the originator of some Ragas. It is certain that Ravana's knowledge about Music and its technicalities was excellent. It is said the 10 heads

portrayed to Ravana is symbolic of his versatility in many fields of

knowledge and may be especially music (Das kandha = the one with 10

types of voices).

7) Valmiki Ramayana about Ravana------------ At the end Valmiki Ramayana quotes about Ravana and the words and philosophy of Ravana as quoted in Valmiki Ramayana becomes another excellent source of study the excellent contributions to art, culture, and knowledge by this great soul who walked this very earth. A systematic study of all the above material collected together and

presented well in a systematic manner would be a great contribution not

only to the authentic contributions of this great soul, but also much

useful to astrology. Let us hope that some body will do it in near future.============================================ Hope you enjoyed this simple write-up. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh

March 16, 2009

Dear Sreenadh ji,Yes of course! I enjoyed it. A little more: 1. Ravana arranged one of the different versions fo Mahannyasa (the other famous one is by Baudhayana).

2. Ravana created the "jata" method of chanting. This is one of the different methods like ghana, jata, pada. 3. "Asuric" and "Brahminical" are not two opposing. In fact Ravana represents the "brahminical" method more. 4. "Vedic" and "Asuric" aspects are explained quite well in Uttara Kanda of Ramayana, where Ravana admonishes Indrajit saying he better does Tapas for the grace of Brahma/Rudra than please Indra/etc with Yajna. By contrast Indrajit performs the sacrifice that eventually gives him the capability to defeat Indra. In the battle it is Indrajit who actually defeats Indra while others find it difficult to match him. So the whole thing boils down to dharma-karma-yajna vs tapas approach. The latter is the "brahminical" method, the former is the grhastha-kshatriya version. The "Asuric" is not specifically any of these, they follow anything -

the fundamental difference is in the understanding of Dharma, that is all. ShankarSreenadh <sreesog Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:43:50 PM Ravana's Contributions

Dear All, Now a days the text "Uddisa Maha Tantra" is getting sold in the market with the name "Ravana Samhita" and that too for a big price. So I thought a small write-up about the contributions of Ravana will not be out of place. So here it is -============ ========= ========= ========= =====Ravana's Contributions Ravana the ancient king of Lanka was well known for his knowledge and contributions. The Sri Lankans have a high regard for Ravana, and the archaeological evidences thought to be supporting the existence of Ravana in Sri Lanka is still available. In that ancient past India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Central Russia, Afghanistan, Singapore, Cambodia, Malesia, Indonesia, Bali etc were all part of the single Hindu culture with minor differences only. The Tantric and Vedic

religions where keeping their head high with their contributions. Don't ask me which is this ancient past you are speaking about - I don't have a date to specify. The only thing I know is that this period was after the advent of Sanskrit language and literature, after the advent of Vedas. Even though a Tantric, and a supporter of Asura religion (Iranian Ahur Mazda/Asura Medha tradition?), Ravana knew the Vedas and was ardent worshiper of God Siva. He was obsessed with the devotion towards Siva (lord Mahakala) that in every work of his (i.e Ravana's) we can find the stamps of his devotion to Siva. His contribution to both Vedic and Tantric religion was excellent and should be remembered even for the generations to come. The same should be told about his contribution to Music, Ayurveda and Astrology as well. I will try to provide a brief info about his available contributions.1) Pada Padha of Rigveda (Vedic)------------

--------- --------- --------- - It is believed that it was Ravana who prepared the Pada padha of Rigveda. Considering the complexity of Jada padha etc it should be said that in the absence of proper Pada Padha the whole of Rigvedic knowledge would have been lost. If the Rigvedic text and knowledge is still available today, then definitely it is indebted to "Pada padha of Rigveda" supposed to have been prepared by Ravana. I wonder whether the ardent opposers of Ravana and the Saiva and Asura traditions he stood for, know this or not. These are the Vedic supporters, the supporters of Rama and Vaishnavite tradition who find pleasure in abusing Ravana and the Saiva, Asura traditions. If they were aware of Ravana's contribution to the present survival of even the Vedic brahmanical religion, they would not have abused him this much!2) Uddisa Mahatantra (Tantric)------------ --------- --------- --------- -

Similarly valuable is Ravana's contribution to Tantric religion, as evident from Uddisa mahatantra which is now being sold with the name 'Ravana Samhita'. This is a book that deals with Tantric knowledge and Shadkarma sadhana. Don't get cheated by the new name i.e. Ravana Samhita given to it by some publishers to increase its sale. This books is NOT about astrology and not about Samhita branch of astrology (i.e. medini jyotisha alias mundane astrology) at all, but about Tantra. This is a well known book in Tantric literature known from ancient past itself. If only you are interested in ancient Tantric systems and Shadkarma, then only buy this book; otherwise it won't be of much use to you. Anyway, Uddisa Maha Tantra is a good book on Tantra and Shadkarma sadhana.3) Arka Prakasham (Astrology)------------ --------- --------- -------- Ravana's contribution to astrology (or Ravana's

tradition of astrology) is visible in the ancient text 'Arka Prakasha' written as a conversation between Ravana and Mandodari. It is written as a question-answer between King Ravana and his revered wife Mandodari. This text is available and can give a good idea about the astrological development during the period of Ravana. This text mainly deals with Horory astrology.4) Nadi Pareeksha (Ayurveda)------------ --------- --------- ------- There is a well known book in Ayurvdea that deals with Nadi pariksha (measurement of heartbeat and breath pattern and thus judging the diseases). I am yet to see this book, but it is said that this book is available even today.5) Siva Tandava Stotra (Tantric Devotion)------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- Siva Tandava Stotra is very popular. This great rhythmic prayer to Siva is available in the files section of this group

as well. This single most literary contribution is enough to keep Ravana in popular memory for long. I love this poem - it is so beautiful and soul enriching!6) Music (Karnatic Music)------------ --------- --------- -- In Karnatic music, Ravana is treated as the originator of some Ragas. It is certain that Ravana's knowledge about Music and its technicalities was excellent. It is said the 10 heads

portrayed to Ravana is symbolic of his versatility in many fields of

knowledge and may be especially music (Das kandha = the one with 10

types of voices).

7) Valmiki Ramayana about Ravana------------ --------- --------- --------- ------ At the end Valmiki Ramayana quotes about Ravana and the words and philosophy of Ravana as quoted in Valmiki Ramayana becomes another excellent source of study the excellent contributions to art, culture, and knowledge by this great soul who walked this very earth. A systematic study of all the above material collected together and

presented well in a systematic manner would be a great contribution not

only to the authentic contributions of this great soul, but also much

useful to astrology. Let us hope that some body will do it in near future.============ ========= ========= ========= ===== Hope you enjoyed this simple write-up. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh

March 16, 2009

Dear Shankara Bharadwaj ji, //> 1. Ravana arranged one of the different versions fo Mahannyasa (the other famous one is by Baudhayana). // I couldn't get it. What is 'Mahannyasa' and ' Baudhayana'? Can you explain and elaborate it a bit please?//> 2. Ravana created the "jata" method of chanting. This is one of the different methods like ghana, jata, pada. // I heard that Ravana created Pada padha (of vedic chanting). And now you say that "Jata padha" (Jata method) is also created by him! So should we conclude that except ghana padha etc both Jata and Pada methods are created by Ravana? Interesting!//Ravana admonishes Indrajit saying he better does Tapas for the grace of Brahma/Rudra than please Indra/etc with Yajna. // Indra, Yajna etc are all Vedic in nature. Even though Brahma and Rudra also can be termed Vedic, Brhama has a Jain connection and Rudra has an ancient Saivate connection. Doen't it show the anit-vedic nature and practices of Ravana to a bit? The tradition and knowledge he followed must have been unique, even though connected to Vedic past. Interesting! Thanks for the informative mail.Love and regards,Sreenadh , ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Yes of course! I enjoyed it. > > A little more: > 1. Ravana arranged one of the different versions fo Mahannyasa (the other famous one is by Baudhayana). > > 2. Ravana created the "jata" method of chanting. This is one of the different methods like ghana, jata, pada. > > > 3. "Asuric" and "Brahminical" are not two opposing. In fact Ravana represents the "brahminical" method more. > > 4. "Vedic" and "Asuric" aspects are explained quite well in Uttara Kanda of Ramayana, where Ravana admonishes Indrajit saying he better does Tapas for the grace of Brahma/Rudra than please Indra/etc with Yajna. By contrast Indrajit performs the sacrifice that eventually gives him the capability to defeat Indra. In the battle it is Indrajit who actually defeats Indra while others find it difficult to match him. So the whole thing boils down to dharma-karma-yajna vs tapas approach. The latter is the "brahminical" method, the former is the grhastha-kshatriya version. The "Asuric" is not specifically any of these, they follow anything - the fundamental difference is in the understanding of Dharma, that is all. > > Shankar> > > > ________________________________> Sreenadh sreesog > Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:43:50 PM> Ravana's Contributions> > > Dear All,> Now a days the text "Uddisa Maha Tantra" is getting sold in the market with the name "Ravana Samhita" and that too for a big price. So I thought a small write-up about the contributions of Ravana will not be out of place. So here it is -> ============ ========= ========= ========= =====> Ravana's Contributions> > Ravana the ancient king of Lanka was well known for his knowledge and contributions. The Sri Lankans have a high regard for Ravana, and the archaeological evidences thought to be supporting the existence of Ravana in Sri Lanka is still available. In that ancient past India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Central Russia, Afghanistan, Singapore, Cambodia, Malesia, Indonesia, Bali etc were all part of the single Hindu culture with minor differences only. The Tantric and Vedic religions where keeping their head high with their contributions. Don't ask me which is this ancient past you are speaking about - I don't have a date to specify. The only thing I know is that this period was after the advent of Sanskrit language and literature, after the advent of Vedas.> Even though a Tantric, and a supporter of Asura religion (Iranian Ahur Mazda/Asura Medha tradition?), Ravana knew the Vedas and was ardent worshiper of God Siva. He was obsessed with the devotion towards Siva (lord Mahakala) that in every work of his (i.e Ravana's) we can find the stamps of his devotion to Siva. His contribution to both Vedic and Tantric religion was excellent and should be remembered even for the generations to come. The same should be told about his contribution to Music, Ayurveda and Astrology as well. I will try to provide a brief info about his available contributions.> 1) Pada Padha of Rigveda (Vedic)> ------------ --------- --------- --------- -> It is believed that it was Ravana who prepared the Pada padha of Rigveda. Considering the complexity of Jada padha etc it should be said that in the absence of proper Pada Padha the whole of Rigvedic knowledge would have been lost. If the Rigvedic text and knowledge is still available today, then definitely it is indebted to "Pada padha of Rigveda" supposed to have been prepared by Ravana. I wonder whether the ardent opposers of Ravana and the Saiva and Asura traditions he stood for, know this or not. These are the Vedic supporters, the supporters of Rama and Vaishnavite tradition who find pleasure in abusing Ravana and the Saiva, Asura traditions. If they were aware of Ravana's contribution to the present survival of even the Vedic brahmanical religion, they would not have abused him this much!> 2) Uddisa Mahatantra (Tantric)> ------------ --------- --------- --------- -> Similarly valuable is Ravana's contribution to Tantric religion, as evident from Uddisa mahatantra which is now being sold with the name 'Ravana Samhita'. This is a book that deals with Tantric knowledge and Shadkarma sadhana. Don't get cheated by the new name i.e. Ravana Samhita given to it by some publishers to increase its sale. This books is NOT about astrology and not about Samhita branch of astrology (i.e. medini jyotisha alias mundane astrology) at all, but about Tantra. This is a well known book in Tantric literature known from ancient past itself. If only you are interested in ancient Tantric systems and Shadkarma, then only buy this book; otherwise it won't be of much use to you. Anyway, Uddisa Maha Tantra is a good book on Tantra and Shadkarma sadhana.> 3) Arka Prakasham (Astrology)> ------------ --------- --------- --------> Ravana's contribution to astrology (or Ravana's tradition of astrology) is visible in the ancient text 'Arka Prakasha' written as a conversation between Ravana and Mandodari. It is written as a question-answer between King Ravana and his revered wife Mandodari. This text is available and can give a good idea about the astrological development during the period of Ravana. This text mainly deals with Horory astrology.> 4) Nadi Pareeksha (Ayurveda)> ------------ --------- --------- -------> There is a well known book in Ayurvdea that deals with Nadi pariksha (measurement of heartbeat and breath pattern and thus judging the diseases). I am yet to see this book, but it is said that this book is available even today.> 5) Siva Tandava Stotra (Tantric Devotion)> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- > Siva Tandava Stotra is very popular. This great rhythmic prayer to Siva is available in the files section of this group as well. This single most literary contribution is enough to keep Ravana in popular memory for long. I love this poem - it is so beautiful and soul enriching!> 6) Music (Karnatic Music)> ------------ --------- --------- --> In Karnatic music, Ravana is treated as the originator of some Ragas. It is certain that Ravana's knowledge about Music and its technicalities was excellent. It is said the 10 heads> portrayed to Ravana is symbolic of his versatility in many fields of> knowledge and may be especially music (Das kandha = the one with 10> types of voices). > > 7) Valmiki Ramayana about Ravana> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ------> At the end Valmiki Ramayana quotes about Ravana and the words and philosophy of Ravana as quoted in Valmiki Ramayana becomes another excellent source of study the excellent contributions to art, culture, and knowledge by this great soul who walked this very earth. > A systematic study of all the above material collected together and> presented well in a systematic manner would be a great contribution not> only to the authentic contributions of this great soul, but also much> useful to astrology. Let us hope that some body will do it in near future.> ============ ========= ========= ========= =====> Hope you enjoyed this simple write-up. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh>

March 16, 2009

Dear Sreenadhji and all,

Let us get one point clear.

In the wordly sense Ravana was a rascal King who used his powers to

capture a wife of another King through foul means, and without consent

of the women whom he captured. This is not acceptable by any means. So

he looses total respect on this count.

( Now this is another matter that he knew that he was given a boon not

to be killed by anybody other than a human being, and he was fed up of

Long Life and wanted to be killed by lord Rama whom he knew was the

Actual Supreme God in human form, so he decided voluntarily to play foul

to be killed by Him )

( Or he knew that Sita was his daughter ( ??) and by capturing her, he

would be killed by lord Rama and gain Moksha (??) )

( Or maybe the above observations are totally wrong and he was actually

a rascal King who got enamoured by Sitas beauty and tried to gain her )

Whatever it may be, he did wrong in the eyes of public, so he is not a

good Idol.

Now considering his good assets in his character , lik knowledge of

shastras and his control over the NavGrahas through his powers, or his

knowledge of astrology and allied sciences, we would not mind in

accepting his good facets, and learning from same. we also respect his

good virtues of learning he possessed while ignoring his lust for

another mans wife .

So how do we learn now ? You have mentioned his good areas. But we need

the scanned books mentioned by Your goodself so that we can proceed to

studying the same and making use of it.

I had long back been offered the " Ravana Samhita ' for over Rs.2000 and

above, but my hatred for Ravana did not allow me to buy it. Now getting

more mature by age, I do not mind reading the same, if it is offered

again.

So please let us have access to this knowledge whenever you are able to.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

, ShankaraBharadwaj

Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> Yes of course! I enjoyed it.

>

> A little more:

> 1. Ravana arranged one of the different versions fo Mahannyasa (the

other famous one is by Baudhayana).

>

> 2. Ravana created the " jata " method of chanting. This is one of the

different methods like ghana, jata, pada.

>

> 3. " Asuric " and " Brahminical " are not two opposing. In fact Ravana

represents the " brahminical " method more.

>

> 4. " Vedic " and " Asuric " aspects are explained quite well in Uttara

Kanda of Ramayana, where Ravana admonishes Indrajit saying he better

does Tapas for the grace of Brahma/Rudra than please Indra/etc with

Yajna. By contrast Indrajit performs the sacrifice that eventually gives

him the capability to defeat Indra. In the battle it is Indrajit who

actually defeats Indra while others find it difficult to match him. So

the whole thing boils down to dharma-karma-yajna vs tapas approach. The

latter is the " brahminical " method, the former is the grhastha-kshatriya

version. The " Asuric " is not specifically any of these, they follow

anything - the fundamental difference is in the understanding of Dharma,

that is all.

>

> Shankar

>

> ________________________________

> Sreenadh sreesog

>

> Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:43:50 PM

> Ravana's Contributions

>

> Dear All,

> Now a days the text " Uddisa Maha Tantra " is getting sold in the market

with the name " Ravana Samhita " and that too for a big price. So I

thought a small write-up about the contributions of Ravana will not be

out of place. So here it is -

> ============ ========= ========= ========= =====

> Ravana's Contributions

>

> Ravana the ancient king of Lanka was well known for his knowledge and

contributions. The Sri Lankans have a high regard for Ravana, and the

archaeological evidences thought to be supporting the existence of

Ravana in Sri Lanka is still available. In that ancient past India,

Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Central Russia, Afghanistan, Singapore, Cambodia,

Malesia, Indonesia, Bali etc were all part of the single Hindu culture

with minor differences only. The Tantric and Vedic religions where

keeping their head high with their contributions. Don't ask me which is

this ancient past you are speaking about - I don't have a date to

specify. The only thing I know is that this period was after the advent

of Sanskrit language and literature, after the advent of Vedas.

> Even though a Tantric, and a supporter of Asura religion (Iranian Ahur

Mazda/Asura Medha tradition?), Ravana knew the Vedas and was ardent

worshiper of God Siva. He was obsessed with the devotion towards Siva

(lord Mahakala) that in every work of his (i.e Ravana's) we can find the

stamps of his devotion to Siva. His contribution to both Vedic and

Tantric religion was excellent and should be remembered even for the

generations to come. The same should be told about his contribution to

Music, Ayurveda and Astrology as well. I will try to provide a brief

info about his available contributions.

> 1) Pada Padha of Rigveda (Vedic)

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- -

> It is believed that it was Ravana who prepared the Pada padha of

Rigveda. Considering the complexity of Jada padha etc it should be said

that in the absence of proper Pada Padha the whole of Rigvedic knowledge

would have been lost. If the Rigvedic text and knowledge is still

available today, then definitely it is indebted to " Pada padha of

Rigveda " supposed to have been prepared by Ravana. I wonder whether the

ardent opposers of Ravana and the Saiva and Asura traditions he stood

for, know this or not. These are the Vedic supporters, the supporters of

Rama and Vaishnavite tradition who find pleasure in abusing Ravana and

the Saiva, Asura traditions. If they were aware of Ravana's contribution

to the present survival of even the Vedic brahmanical religion, they

would not have abused him this much!

> 2) Uddisa Mahatantra (Tantric)

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- -

> Similarly valuable is Ravana's contribution to Tantric religion, as

evident from Uddisa mahatantra which is now being sold with the name

'Ravana Samhita'. This is a book that deals with Tantric knowledge and

Shadkarma sadhana. Don't get cheated by the new name i.e. Ravana Samhita

given to it by some publishers to increase its sale. This books is NOT

about astrology and not about Samhita branch of astrology (i.e. medini

jyotisha alias mundane astrology) at all, but about Tantra. This is a

well known book in Tantric literature known from ancient past itself. If

only you are interested in ancient Tantric systems and Shadkarma, then

only buy this book; otherwise it won't be of much use to you. Anyway,

Uddisa Maha Tantra is a good book on Tantra and Shadkarma sadhana.

> 3) Arka Prakasham (Astrology)

> ------------ --------- --------- --------

> Ravana's contribution to astrology (or Ravana's tradition of

astrology) is visible in the ancient text 'Arka Prakasha' written as a

conversation between Ravana and Mandodari. It is written as a

question-answer between King Ravana and his revered wife Mandodari. This

text is available and can give a good idea about the astrological

development during the period of Ravana. This text mainly deals with

Horory astrology.

> 4) Nadi Pareeksha (Ayurveda)

> ------------ --------- --------- -------

> There is a well known book in Ayurvdea that deals with Nadi pariksha

(measurement of heartbeat and breath pattern and thus judging the

diseases). I am yet to see this book, but it is said that this book is

available even today.

> 5) Siva Tandava Stotra (Tantric Devotion)

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ----

> Siva Tandava Stotra is very popular. This great rhythmic prayer to

Siva is available in the files section of this group as well. This

single most literary contribution is enough to keep Ravana in popular

memory for long. I love this poem - it is so beautiful and soul

enriching!

> 6) Music (Karnatic Music)

> ------------ --------- --------- --

> In Karnatic music, Ravana is treated as the originator of some Ragas.

It is certain that Ravana's knowledge about Music and its technicalities

was excellent. It is said the 10 heads

> portrayed to Ravana is symbolic of his versatility in many fields of

> knowledge and may be especially music (Das kandha = the one with 10

> types of voices).

>

> 7) Valmiki Ramayana about Ravana

> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ------

> At the end Valmiki Ramayana quotes about Ravana and the words and

philosophy of Ravana as quoted in Valmiki Ramayana becomes another

excellent source of study the excellent contributions to art, culture,

and knowledge by this great soul who walked this very earth.

> A systematic study of all the above material collected together and

> presented well in a systematic manner would be a great contribution

not

> only to the authentic contributions of this great soul, but also much

> useful to astrology. Let us hope that some body will do it in near

future.

> ============ ========= ========= ========= =====

> Hope you enjoyed this simple write-up.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

March 16, 2009

Dear Bhaskar-ji,

S.C.Kursija-ji (who is also a member of this group) writes in Saptarshi

Astrology e-zine on Nakshatra Padas from Ravana Samhita. He is upto Mrigashira

nakshtra till now (started from Ashwini).

You can get the all the past articles free of cost from here ->

http://www.saptarishisastrology.com/

Regards,

Souvik

, " Bhaskar " <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadhji and all,

>

> Let us get one point clear.

>

> In the wordly sense Ravana was a rascal King who used his powers to

> capture a wife of another King through foul means, and without consent

> of the women whom he captured. This is not acceptable by any means. So

> he looses total respect on this count.

>

> ( Now this is another matter that he knew that he was given a boon not

> to be killed by anybody other than a human being, and he was fed up of

> Long Life and wanted to be killed by lord Rama whom he knew was the

> Actual Supreme God in human form, so he decided voluntarily to play foul

> to be killed by Him )

>

> ( Or he knew that Sita was his daughter ( ??) and by capturing her, he

> would be killed by lord Rama and gain Moksha (??) )

>

> ( Or maybe the above observations are totally wrong and he was actually

> a rascal King who got enamoured by Sitas beauty and tried to gain her )

>

> Whatever it may be, he did wrong in the eyes of public, so he is not a

> good Idol.

>

> Now considering his good assets in his character , lik knowledge of

> shastras and his control over the NavGrahas through his powers, or his

> knowledge of astrology and allied sciences, we would not mind in

> accepting his good facets, and learning from same. we also respect his

> good virtues of learning he possessed while ignoring his lust for

> another mans wife .

>

> So how do we learn now ? You have mentioned his good areas. But we need

> the scanned books mentioned by Your goodself so that we can proceed to

> studying the same and making use of it.

>

> I had long back been offered the " Ravana Samhita ' for over Rs.2000 and

> above, but my hatred for Ravana did not allow me to buy it. Now getting

> more mature by age, I do not mind reading the same, if it is offered

> again.

>

> So please let us have access to this knowledge whenever you are able to.

>

> best wishes,

>

> Bhaskar.

>

> , ShankaraBharadwaj

> Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj@> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> >

> > Yes of course! I enjoyed it.

> >

> > A little more:

> > 1. Ravana arranged one of the different versions fo Mahannyasa (the

> other famous one is by Baudhayana).

> >

> > 2. Ravana created the " jata " method of chanting. This is one of the

> different methods like ghana, jata, pada.

> >

> > 3. " Asuric " and " Brahminical " are not two opposing. In fact Ravana

> represents the " brahminical " method more.

> >

> > 4. " Vedic " and " Asuric " aspects are explained quite well in Uttara

> Kanda of Ramayana, where Ravana admonishes Indrajit saying he better

> does Tapas for the grace of Brahma/Rudra than please Indra/etc with

> Yajna. By contrast Indrajit performs the sacrifice that eventually gives

> him the capability to defeat Indra. In the battle it is Indrajit who

> actually defeats Indra while others find it difficult to match him. So

> the whole thing boils down to dharma-karma-yajna vs tapas approach. The

> latter is the " brahminical " method, the former is the grhastha-kshatriya

> version. The " Asuric " is not specifically any of these, they follow

> anything - the fundamental difference is in the understanding of Dharma,

> that is all.

> >

> > Shankar

> >

> > ________________________________

> > Sreenadh sreesog@

> >

> > Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:43:50 PM

> > Ravana's Contributions

> >

> > Dear All,

> > Now a days the text " Uddisa Maha Tantra " is getting sold in the market

> with the name " Ravana Samhita " and that too for a big price. So I

> thought a small write-up about the contributions of Ravana will not be

> out of place. So here it is -

> > ============ ========= ========= ========= =====

> > Ravana's Contributions

> >

> > Ravana the ancient king of Lanka was well known for his knowledge and

> contributions. The Sri Lankans have a high regard for Ravana, and the

> archaeological evidences thought to be supporting the existence of

> Ravana in Sri Lanka is still available. In that ancient past India,

> Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Central Russia, Afghanistan, Singapore, Cambodia,

> Malesia, Indonesia, Bali etc were all part of the single Hindu culture

> with minor differences only. The Tantric and Vedic religions where

> keeping their head high with their contributions. Don't ask me which is

> this ancient past you are speaking about - I don't have a date to

> specify. The only thing I know is that this period was after the advent

> of Sanskrit language and literature, after the advent of Vedas.

> > Even though a Tantric, and a supporter of Asura religion (Iranian Ahur

> Mazda/Asura Medha tradition?), Ravana knew the Vedas and was ardent

> worshiper of God Siva. He was obsessed with the devotion towards Siva

> (lord Mahakala) that in every work of his (i.e Ravana's) we can find the

> stamps of his devotion to Siva. His contribution to both Vedic and

> Tantric religion was excellent and should be remembered even for the

> generations to come. The same should be told about his contribution to

> Music, Ayurveda and Astrology as well. I will try to provide a brief

> info about his available contributions.

> > 1) Pada Padha of Rigveda (Vedic)

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- -

> > It is believed that it was Ravana who prepared the Pada padha of

> Rigveda. Considering the complexity of Jada padha etc it should be said

> that in the absence of proper Pada Padha the whole of Rigvedic knowledge

> would have been lost. If the Rigvedic text and knowledge is still

> available today, then definitely it is indebted to " Pada padha of

> Rigveda " supposed to have been prepared by Ravana. I wonder whether the

> ardent opposers of Ravana and the Saiva and Asura traditions he stood

> for, know this or not. These are the Vedic supporters, the supporters of

> Rama and Vaishnavite tradition who find pleasure in abusing Ravana and

> the Saiva, Asura traditions. If they were aware of Ravana's contribution

> to the present survival of even the Vedic brahmanical religion, they

> would not have abused him this much!

> > 2) Uddisa Mahatantra (Tantric)

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- -

> > Similarly valuable is Ravana's contribution to Tantric religion, as

> evident from Uddisa mahatantra which is now being sold with the name

> 'Ravana Samhita'. This is a book that deals with Tantric knowledge and

> Shadkarma sadhana. Don't get cheated by the new name i.e. Ravana Samhita

> given to it by some publishers to increase its sale. This books is NOT

> about astrology and not about Samhita branch of astrology (i.e. medini

> jyotisha alias mundane astrology) at all, but about Tantra. This is a

> well known book in Tantric literature known from ancient past itself. If

> only you are interested in ancient Tantric systems and Shadkarma, then

> only buy this book; otherwise it won't be of much use to you. Anyway,

> Uddisa Maha Tantra is a good book on Tantra and Shadkarma sadhana.

> > 3) Arka Prakasham (Astrology)

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------

> > Ravana's contribution to astrology (or Ravana's tradition of

> astrology) is visible in the ancient text 'Arka Prakasha' written as a

> conversation between Ravana and Mandodari. It is written as a

> question-answer between King Ravana and his revered wife Mandodari. This

> text is available and can give a good idea about the astrological

> development during the period of Ravana. This text mainly deals with

> Horory astrology.

> > 4) Nadi Pareeksha (Ayurveda)

> > ------------ --------- --------- -------

> > There is a well known book in Ayurvdea that deals with Nadi pariksha

> (measurement of heartbeat and breath pattern and thus judging the

> diseases). I am yet to see this book, but it is said that this book is

> available even today.

> > 5) Siva Tandava Stotra (Tantric Devotion)

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ----

> > Siva Tandava Stotra is very popular. This great rhythmic prayer to

> Siva is available in the files section of this group as well. This

> single most literary contribution is enough to keep Ravana in popular

> memory for long. I love this poem - it is so beautiful and soul

> enriching!

> > 6) Music (Karnatic Music)

> > ------------ --------- --------- --

> > In Karnatic music, Ravana is treated as the originator of some Ragas.

> It is certain that Ravana's knowledge about Music and its technicalities

> was excellent. It is said the 10 heads

> > portrayed to Ravana is symbolic of his versatility in many fields of

> > knowledge and may be especially music (Das kandha = the one with 10

> > types of voices).

> >

> > 7) Valmiki Ramayana about Ravana

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ------

> > At the end Valmiki Ramayana quotes about Ravana and the words and

> philosophy of Ravana as quoted in Valmiki Ramayana becomes another

> excellent source of study the excellent contributions to art, culture,

> and knowledge by this great soul who walked this very earth.

> > A systematic study of all the above material collected together and

> > presented well in a systematic manner would be a great contribution

> not

> > only to the authentic contributions of this great soul, but also much

> > useful to astrology. Let us hope that some body will do it in near

> future.

> > ============ ========= ========= ========= =====

> > Hope you enjoyed this simple write-up.

> > Love and regards,

> > Sreenadh

> >

>

March 16, 2009

Dear Sreenadh ji,"I couldn't get it. What is 'Mahannyasa' and ' Baudhayana'? Can you explain and elaborate it a bit please?"Mahannyasa is an elaborate procedure of invoking Siva in the body. Basically it is like Anganyasa and Karanyasa done before mantra japa, but a thorough one involving the entire philosophy of Saiva and its vidyas. It has five main sections of "Raudreekarana" or making oneself Rudra. In the middle it says "naa rudro rudram arcayet" - one who is not Rudra cannot worship Rudra. This preceedes the famous arcana/snana/abhisheka. The fullest essence of Siva worshiping Himself or the cosmic mechanism, in that worship, is achieved by the Mahannyasa preceding it. Mahanyasa applies the Vedic mantras

throughout, for the Raudreekarana. It involves various mantra vidyas like Ajapa, Nishkala, Pasupata. These vidyas also form the crux of Saiva disciplines. For instance the namaka mantra (which is found in the middle of Yajurveda) is the central mantra of Pasupata. The 37 letters of namaka mantra form the 37 cosmic tatvas of Saiva religion (just the way 24 letters of Gayatri form the 24 tatvas of Sankhya darsana). Ajapa and Nishkala are known as advanced vidyas in Saiva. Siva Pancakshari itself, the most famou Saiva vidya, is an extract from namaka. The five principles, five activities that are variedly called, are from Pancakshari. Well it goes on and on, but in short one can understand the entire Saiva world view through Mahannyasa. There are multiple versions of Mahannyasa compositions. One of them is given by Ravana. One of them is given by Baudhayana.

"So should we conclude that except ghana padha etc both Jata and Pada methods are created by Ravana? Interesting!"Jata is the method Ravana gave from what I know. Ghana and Pada are not his. " Indra, Yajna etc are all

Vedic in nature. Even though Brahma and Rudra also can be termed

Vedic, Brhama has a Jain connection and Rudra has an ancient Saivate

connection. Doen't it show the

anit-vedic nature and practices of Ravana to a bit? The tradition and

knowledge he followed must have been unique, even though connected to

Vedic past. Interesting!"Well Ravana was not at all anti-Vedic, as he used the Vedic mantras themselves for the Mahanyasa. He even made an arrangement for Vedic recension, so how could he be anti-Vedic at all! He was Veda-learnt and Veda-loving too. Indra-yajna etc are one face of the Veda. There is a famous sloka that says Vishnu is best worshiped in Krita yuga, Maheswara in Treta, Indra-yajna in Dwapara and Candi-Vinayaka in Kali. None of these are non-Vedic or anti-Vedic, all of these are very much Vedic and also Tantric (yes, including Indra Agni etc). If we look at the Vedic corpus, it speaks of so many approaches and vidyas, and not just the Yajna aspect. Karma Mimamsa is the only Darsana out of the many, that talks of Yajna etc. So yajna as A symbol of Vedic approach is right, but as THE defining symbol is simplistic. Indra-Vishnu-Yajna are dharma centric and Ravana as an Asura was Sakti centric, not dharma centric. That is

the axiomatic difference between him and Rama. That cannot be generalized as a Vedic-non Vedic difference. However there is no question in that Ravana was unique and a creator. And the villian image of Ravana is more sentimental than factual. He was a mighty and a grand personality with a glaring flaw. The lesson is that such flaw in Dharma is enough to take one off perfection and cause his downfall. That does not however negate his greatness or contribution in any way. I guess we agree here ShankarSreenadh <sreesog Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:38:58 PM Re: Ravana's Contributions

Dear Shankara Bharadwaj ji, //> 1. Ravana arranged one of the different versions fo Mahannyasa (the other famous one is by Baudhayana). // I couldn't get it. What is 'Mahannyasa' and ' Baudhayana'? Can you explain and elaborate it a bit please?//> 2. Ravana created the "jata" method of chanting. This is one of the different methods like ghana, jata, pada. // I heard that Ravana created Pada padha (of vedic chanting). And now you say that "Jata padha" (Jata method) is also created by him! So should we conclude that except ghana padha etc both Jata and Pada methods are created by Ravana? Interesting!//Ravana admonishes Indrajit saying he better does Tapas for the grace of Brahma/Rudra than please Indra/etc with Yajna. // Indra,

Yajna etc are all Vedic in nature. Even though Brahma and Rudra also can be termed Vedic, Brhama has a Jain connection and Rudra has an ancient Saivate connection. Doen't it show the anit-vedic nature and practices of Ravana to a bit? The tradition and knowledge he followed must have been unique, even though connected to Vedic past. Interesting! Thanks for the informative mail.Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, ShankaraBharadwaj Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sreenadh ji,> > Yes of course! I enjoyed it. > > A little more: > 1. Ravana arranged one of the different versions fo Mahannyasa (the other famous one is by Baudhayana). > > 2. Ravana created the "jata" method of chanting. This is one of the different methods like ghana, jata, pada. > > > 3. "Asuric" and

"Brahminical" are not two opposing. In fact Ravana represents the "brahminical" method more. > > 4. "Vedic" and "Asuric" aspects are explained quite well in Uttara Kanda of Ramayana, where Ravana admonishes Indrajit saying he better does Tapas for the grace of Brahma/Rudra than please Indra/etc with Yajna. By contrast Indrajit performs the sacrifice that eventually gives him the capability to defeat Indra. In the battle it is Indrajit who actually defeats Indra while others find it difficult to match him. So the whole thing boils down to dharma-karma- yajna vs tapas approach. The latter is the "brahminical" method, the former is the grhastha-kshatriya version. The "Asuric" is not specifically any of these, they follow anything - the fundamental difference is in the understanding of Dharma, that is all. > > Shankar> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Sreenadh sreesog

ancient_indian_ astrology> Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:43:50 PM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Ravana's Contributions> > > Dear All,> Now a days the text "Uddisa Maha Tantra" is getting sold in the market with the name "Ravana Samhita" and that too for a big price. So I thought a small write-up about the contributions of Ravana will not be out of place. So here it is -> ============ ========= ========= ========= =====> Ravana's Contributions> > Ravana the ancient king of Lanka was well known for his knowledge and contributions. The Sri Lankans have a high regard for Ravana, and the archaeological evidences thought to be supporting the existence of Ravana in Sri Lanka is still available. In that ancient past India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Central Russia, Afghanistan, Singapore, Cambodia, Malesia, Indonesia, Bali etc were all part of the single

Hindu culture with minor differences only. The Tantric and Vedic religions where keeping their head high with their contributions. Don't ask me which is this ancient past you are speaking about - I don't have a date to specify. The only thing I know is that this period was after the advent of Sanskrit language and literature, after the advent of Vedas.> Even though a Tantric, and a supporter of Asura religion (Iranian Ahur Mazda/Asura Medha tradition?), Ravana knew the Vedas and was ardent worshiper of God Siva. He was obsessed with the devotion towards Siva (lord Mahakala) that in every work of his (i.e Ravana's) we can find the stamps of his devotion to Siva. His contribution to both Vedic and Tantric religion was excellent and should be remembered even for the generations to come. The same should be told about his contribution to Music, Ayurveda and Astrology as well. I will try to provide a brief info about his available

contributions.> 1) Pada Padha of Rigveda (Vedic)> ------------ --------- --------- --------- -> It is believed that it was Ravana who prepared the Pada padha of Rigveda. Considering the complexity of Jada padha etc it should be said that in the absence of proper Pada Padha the whole of Rigvedic knowledge would have been lost. If the Rigvedic text and knowledge is still available today, then definitely it is indebted to "Pada padha of Rigveda" supposed to have been prepared by Ravana. I wonder whether the ardent opposers of Ravana and the Saiva and Asura traditions he stood for, know this or not. These are the Vedic supporters, the supporters of Rama and Vaishnavite tradition who find pleasure in abusing Ravana and the Saiva, Asura traditions. If they were aware of Ravana's contribution to the present survival of even the Vedic brahmanical religion, they would not have abused him this much!> 2) Uddisa Mahatantra

(Tantric)> ------------ --------- --------- --------- -> Similarly valuable is Ravana's contribution to Tantric religion, as evident from Uddisa mahatantra which is now being sold with the name 'Ravana Samhita'. This is a book that deals with Tantric knowledge and Shadkarma sadhana. Don't get cheated by the new name i.e. Ravana Samhita given to it by some publishers to increase its sale. This books is NOT about astrology and not about Samhita branch of astrology (i.e. medini jyotisha alias mundane astrology) at all, but about Tantra. This is a well known book in Tantric literature known from ancient past itself. If only you are interested in ancient Tantric systems and Shadkarma, then only buy this book; otherwise it won't be of much use to you. Anyway, Uddisa Maha Tantra is a good book on Tantra and Shadkarma sadhana.> 3) Arka Prakasham (Astrology)> ------------ --------- --------- --------> Ravana's

contribution to astrology (or Ravana's tradition of astrology) is visible in the ancient text 'Arka Prakasha' written as a conversation between Ravana and Mandodari. It is written as a question-answer between King Ravana and his revered wife Mandodari. This text is available and can give a good idea about the astrological development during the period of Ravana. This text mainly deals with Horory astrology.> 4) Nadi Pareeksha (Ayurveda)> ------------ --------- --------- -------> There is a well known book in Ayurvdea that deals with Nadi pariksha (measurement of heartbeat and breath pattern and thus judging the diseases). I am yet to see this book, but it is said that this book is available even today.> 5) Siva Tandava Stotra (Tantric Devotion)> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- ---- > Siva Tandava Stotra is very popular. This great rhythmic prayer to Siva is available in the files

section of this group as well. This single most literary contribution is enough to keep Ravana in popular memory for long. I love this poem - it is so beautiful and soul enriching!> 6) Music (Karnatic Music)> ------------ --------- --------- --> In Karnatic music, Ravana is treated as the originator of some Ragas. It is certain that Ravana's knowledge about Music and its technicalities was excellent. It is said the 10 heads> portrayed to Ravana is symbolic of his versatility in many fields of> knowledge and may be especially music (Das kandha = the one with 10> types of voices). > > 7) Valmiki Ramayana about Ravana> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ------> At the end Valmiki Ramayana quotes about Ravana and the words and philosophy of Ravana as quoted in Valmiki Ramayana becomes another excellent source of study the excellent contributions to art, culture, and

knowledge by this great soul who walked this very earth. > A systematic study of all the above material collected together and> presented well in a systematic manner would be a great contribution not> only to the authentic contributions of this great soul, but also much> useful to astrology. Let us hope that some body will do it in near future.> ============ ========= ========= ========= =====> Hope you enjoyed this simple write-up. > Love and regards,> Sreenadh>

March 16, 2009

Dear Sri Bhaskar ji,I cannot agree more. He is not for emulation. ShankarBhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:39:25 PM Re: Ravana's Contributions

Dear Sreenadhji and all,

Let us get one point clear.

In the wordly sense Ravana was a rascal King who used his powers to

capture a wife of another King through foul means, and without consent

of the women whom he captured. This is not acceptable by any means. So

he looses total respect on this count.

( Now this is another matter that he knew that he was given a boon not

to be killed by anybody other than a human being, and he was fed up of

Long Life and wanted to be killed by lord Rama whom he knew was the

Actual Supreme God in human form, so he decided voluntarily to play foul

to be killed by Him )

( Or he knew that Sita was his daughter ( ??) and by capturing her, he

would be killed by lord Rama and gain Moksha (??) )

( Or maybe the above observations are totally wrong and he was actually

a rascal King who got enamoured by Sitas beauty and tried to gain her )

Whatever it may be, he did wrong in the eyes of public, so he is not a

good Idol.

Now considering his good assets in his character , lik knowledge of

shastras and his control over the NavGrahas through his powers, or his

knowledge of astrology and allied sciences, we would not mind in

accepting his good facets, and learning from same. we also respect his

good virtues of learning he possessed while ignoring his lust for

another mans wife .

So how do we learn now ? You have mentioned his good areas. But we need

the scanned books mentioned by Your goodself so that we can proceed to

studying the same and making use of it.

I had long back been offered the "Ravana Samhita ' for over Rs.2000 and

above, but my hatred for Ravana did not allow me to buy it. Now getting

more mature by age, I do not mind reading the same, if it is offered

again.

So please let us have access to this knowledge whenever you are able to.

best wishes,

Bhaskar.

ancient_indian_ astrology, ShankaraBharadwaj

Khandavalli <shankarabharadwaj@ ...> wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

>

> Yes of course! I enjoyed it.

>

> A little more:

> 1. Ravana arranged one of the different versions fo Mahannyasa (the

other famous one is by Baudhayana).

>

> 2. Ravana created the "jata" method of chanting. This is one of the

different methods like ghana, jata, pada.

>

> 3. "Asuric" and "Brahminical" are not two opposing. In fact Ravana

represents the "brahminical" method more.

>

> 4. "Vedic" and "Asuric" aspects are explained quite well in Uttara

Kanda of Ramayana, where Ravana admonishes Indrajit saying he better

does Tapas for the grace of Brahma/Rudra than please Indra/etc with

Yajna. By contrast Indrajit performs the sacrifice that eventually gives

him the capability to defeat Indra. In the battle it is Indrajit who

actually defeats Indra while others find it difficult to match him. So

the whole thing boils down to dharma-karma- yajna vs tapas approach. The

latter is the "brahminical" method, the former is the grhastha-kshatriya

version. The "Asuric" is not specifically any of these, they follow

anything - the fundamental difference is in the understanding of Dharma,

that is all.

>

> Shankar

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Sreenadh sreesog

> ancient_indian_ astrology

> Sunday, March 15, 2009 10:43:50 PM

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Ravana's Contributions

>

> Dear All,

> Now a days the text "Uddisa Maha Tantra" is getting sold in the market

with the name "Ravana Samhita" and that too for a big price. So I