Uccha and Paramoccha

April 4, 2009

Dear Kannan ji, //> Recently my astrologer friend said that the exaltation of a planet

in a house is meaningful only at specified degrees, is it true, or

whether the belonging of a planet to a house itself is sufficient to

shower at least some beneficial aspects to the native.// What your astrologer friend said is wrong, as per astrological classics. As per Brihat Prajaptya the WHOLE SIGN should be considered as Uccha (Exaltation); the particular degree is known as Parmoccha (Maximum exaltation degree). Hope this clarifies.Love and regards,Sreenadh , kannan padma <kannan_padma30 wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > Recently my astrologer friend said that the exaltation of a planet in a house is meaningful only at specified degrees, is it true, or whether the belonging of a planet to a house itself is sufficient to shower at least some beneficial aspects to the native. As I have told you earlier I'm a novice to the subject and hence your expert views shall help me to learn further.> > with regards and respects - R.kannan , 04.04.2009

April 5, 2009

Dear Sreenadh ji,

While what you you say is perfectly fine and true, considering venus's highest exaltation point is 27* pisces, the last drekkana of pisces, sometimes I wonder if the rule 10* + or - could be applied to venus......you know even if it is within 7* of aries, it would give the results of exaltation or not? Similarly Moon in 3* taurus, Jupiter in 5 * cancer....Similarly, jupiter is supposed to give the same results as exaltation in kumbha rashi and in leo too... the two rashis have literally opposite properties. what could be the logic?Regs,

Anita--- On Sat, 4/4/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Sreenadh <sreesog Re: Uccha and Paramoccha Date: Saturday, 4 April, 2009, 8:41 AM

Dear Kannan ji, //> Recently my astrologer friend said that the exaltation of a planet in a house is meaningful only at specified degrees, is it true, or whether the belonging of a planet to a house itself is sufficient to shower at least some beneficial aspects to the native.// What your astrologer friend said is wrong, as per astrological classics. As per Brihat Prajaptya the WHOLE SIGN should be considered as Uccha (Exaltation) ; the particular degree is known as Parmoccha (Maximum exaltation degree). Hope this clarifies.Love and regards,Sreenadhancient_indian_ astrology, kannan padma <kannan_padma30@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sunilji,> > Recently my astrologer friend said that the exaltation of a planet in a house is meaningful only at specified degrees, is it true, or

whether the belonging of a planet to a house itself is sufficient to shower at least some beneficial aspects to the native. As I have told you earlier I'm a novice to the subject and hence your expert views shall help me to learn further.> > with regards and respects - R.kannan , 04.04.2009

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April 5, 2009

|| OM TAT SAT ||

Dear Sreenadh and Anita,

Whole sign is not considered to be uccha as in the case of Mercury.

Regards,

Nitish

, Anita R <ash.rsh55 wrote:

>

> Dear Sreenadh ji,

> While what you you say is perfectly fine and true, considering venus's highest

exaltation point is 27* pisces, the last drekkana of pisces, sometimes I wonder

if the rule 10* + or - could be applied to venus......you know even if it is

within 7* of aries, it would give the results of exaltation or not? Similarly

Moon in 3* taurus, Jupiter in 5 * cancer....Similarly, jupiter is supposed to

give the same results as exaltation in kumbha rashi and in leo too... the two

rashis have literally opposite properties. what could be the logic?

> Regs,

> Anita

>

> --- On Sat, 4/4/09, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

>

> Sreenadh <sreesog

> Re: Uccha and Paramoccha

>

> Saturday, 4 April, 2009, 8:41 AM

Dear Kannan ji,

> //> Recently my astrologer friend said that the exaltation of a planet in a

house is meaningful only at specified degrees, is it true, or whether the

belonging of a planet to a house itself is sufficient to shower at least some

beneficial aspects to the native.//

> What your astrologer friend said is wrong, as per astrological classics..

As per Brihat Prajaptya the WHOLE SIGN should be considered as Uccha

(Exaltation) ; the particular degree is known as Parmoccha (Maximum exaltation

degree). Hope this clarifies.

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> ancient_indian_ astrology, kannan padma

<kannan_padma30@ ...> wrote:

> >

> > Dear Sunilji,

> >

> > Recently my astrologer friend said that the exaltation of a planet in a

house is meaningful only at specified degrees, is it true, or whether the

belonging of a planet to a house itself is sufficient to shower at least some

beneficial aspects to the native. As I have told you earlier I'm a novice to the

subject and hence your expert views shall help me to learn further.

> >

> > with regards and respects - R.kannan , 04.04.2009

>

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April 5, 2009

Dear Nitish ji, It is NOT you or me or someone else who decide which is Uccha or Paramoccha! If the ancient Rishi horas states that the whole sign should be considered Uccha then it remains so. Since Brihat Prajapatya states that the whole sign should be considered Uccha, your statement is irrelevant. Yes, as your personal suggestion or opinion it is acceptable, but not as something authentic. The authentic opinion of ancient astro classics is in favor of considering the whole sign as Uccha, and - * as one who follow tradition, I would prefer to follow that opinion. * as it perfectly matches with practical experience, I would prefer to follow that opinion. Logic and personal opinions are all secondary. Hope you see the point. :)Love and regards,Sreenadh , "yeeahoo_99" <nitish.arya wrote:>> || OM TAT SAT ||> Dear Sreenadh and Anita,> Whole sign is not considered to be uccha as in the case of Mercury.> Regards,> Nitish> > , Anita R ash.rsh55@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sreenadh ji,> > While what you you say is perfectly fine and true, considering venus's highest exaltation point is 27* pisces, the last drekkana of pisces, sometimes I wonder if the rule 10* + or - could be applied to venus......you know even if it is within 7* of aries, it would give the results of exaltation or not? Similarly Moon in 3* taurus, Jupiter in 5 * cancer....Similarly, jupiter is supposed to give the same results as exaltation in kumbha rashi and in leo too... the two rashis have literally opposite properties. what could be the logic?> > Regs,> > Anita

April 5, 2009

Dear Sreenadh ji and all,

I am not looking for an argument or discussion on the following, but

just mentioning to put the record straight.

Jataka Parijata , Adhaya 1 Shloka 29

Brihat Jataka , Adhyaya 1 Shloka 13

Does it mention the Uccha and param Uccha sign and degrees of the

planets and the same for debilitations too ?

I am not knowing Sanskrit hence the query.

regards/Bhaskar.

, " Sreenadh "

<sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Nitish ji,

> It is NOT you or me or someone else who decide which is Uccha or

> Paramoccha! If the ancient Rishi horas states that the whole sign

> should be considered Uccha then it remains so. Since Brihat Prajapatya

> states that the whole sign should be considered Uccha, your statement

is

> irrelevant. Yes, as your personal suggestion or opinion it is

> acceptable, but not as something authentic. The authentic opinion of

> ancient astro classics is in favor of considering the whole sign as

> Uccha, and -

> * as one who follow tradition, I would prefer to follow that opinion.

> * as it perfectly matches with practical experience, I would prefer to

> follow that opinion.

> Logic and personal opinions are all secondary. Hope you see the point.

>

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " yeeahoo_99 "

> nitish.arya@ wrote:

> >

> > || OM TAT SAT ||

> > Dear Sreenadh and Anita,

> > Whole sign is not considered to be uccha as in the case of Mercury.

> > Regards,

> > Nitish

> >

> > , Anita R ash.rsh55@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > While what you you say is perfectly fine and true, considering

> venus's highest exaltation point is 27* pisces, the last drekkana of

> pisces, sometimes I wonder if the rule 10* + or - could be applied to

> venus......you know even if it is within 7* of aries, it would give

the

> results of exaltation or not? Similarly Moon in 3* taurus, Jupiter in

5

> * cancer....Similarly, jupiter is supposed to give the same results as

> exaltation in kumbha rashi and in leo too... the two rashis have

> literally opposite properties. what could be the logic?

> > > Regs,

> > > Anita

>

April 6, 2009

Dear Bhaskar ji,

Yes, your pointer is valid. I will try to address this

question in detail with references today evening itself, to clarify it from

various perspective. Apart from quotes from Rishi horas such as Skanda

Hora, Brihat Prajapatya, Sounaka Hora etc, the mideveal texts such as Brihat

Jataka and Jataka Parijata also provide quotes related to the same. Let us

address this issue in detail with quotes - and let us have more clarity on

this. So that when ever someone raises this question again, we have a common

ground of understanding.

Note: Now I am in office, and only in the evening sitting in the comfort

of home I can type-in all those reference quotes etc, and that is why

postponing the detailed response to evening.

Love and regards,

Sreenadh , "Bhaskar" <bhaskar_jyotish wrote:>> > Dear Sreenadh ji and all,> > I am not looking for an argument or discussion on the following, but> just mentioning to put the record straight.> > Jataka Parijata , Adhaya 1 Shloka 29> > Brihat Jataka , Adhyaya 1 Shloka 13> > Does it mention the Uccha and param Uccha sign and degrees of the> planets and the same for debilitations too ?> > I am not knowing Sanskrit hence the query.> > regards/Bhaskar.

April 6, 2009

Dear Sreenadhji,

Thank you. Theres no hurry, please take your own time and do not spend

time more than necessary on this. This is because in practise I do not

think more than 1 in a 1000 astrologers would be bothering about the

exact degrees of exaltation or debilitation, because normalyy one jus

looks at the planet in sign and annouces " So many planets are exalted

in your chart. Its a great horoscope " . But few may bother to check the

exact degrees. Though this is a very important matter and must not be

neglected. For instance JUpiter in Sagittarius is considered to be good,

but if the same Jupiter is at 28 degrees in Sagittarius then it means he

is now travelling and near towards his Debilitation sign, Capricorn.

And same for a planet retrograde who at times may be moving towards

their exaltation degrees.

There are many such nuances in astrology which are yet to be tapped

effectively.

regards,

Bhaskar.

April 7, 2009

|| OM TAT SAT ||

Dear Sreenadh ji,

Ancient Rishi Horas, traditions and practical experiences of different people

give many different perspectives on just about anything. Thus, are often found

conflicting with each other, and mutually contradictory to the extent that

" Brahma Sutras " dedicate two out of four chapters to create Samanvaya and

Avirodha.

When I read your mail, it is always noticeable that you are attempting to

accomodate other viewpoints, rather inharmoniously. Since others are not a cause

of your disagreement to their opinions, they cannot be the recipients of your

disappointment either.

As an observation, if you drop the usage of this word " authentic " when you are

not establishing the authenticity of your references, your mails would be more

enjoyable.

Regards,

Nitish

, " Sreenadh " <sreesog wrote:

>

> Dear Nitish ji,

> It is NOT you or me or someone else who decide which is Uccha or

> Paramoccha! If the ancient Rishi horas states that the whole sign

> should be considered Uccha then it remains so. Since Brihat Prajapatya

> states that the whole sign should be considered Uccha, your statement is

> irrelevant. Yes, as your personal suggestion or opinion it is

> acceptable, but not as something authentic. The authentic opinion of

> ancient astro classics is in favor of considering the whole sign as

> Uccha, and -

> * as one who follow tradition, I would prefer to follow that opinion.

> * as it perfectly matches with practical experience, I would prefer to

> follow that opinion.

> Logic and personal opinions are all secondary. Hope you see the point.

>

> Love and regards,

> Sreenadh

>

> , " yeeahoo_99 "

> <nitish.arya@> wrote:

> >

> > || OM TAT SAT ||

> > Dear Sreenadh and Anita,

> > Whole sign is not considered to be uccha as in the case of Mercury.

> > Regards,

> > Nitish

> >

> > , Anita R ash.rsh55@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Dear Sreenadh ji,

> > > While what you you say is perfectly fine and true, considering

> venus's highest exaltation point is 27* pisces, the last drekkana of

> pisces, sometimes I wonder if the rule 10* + or - could be applied to

> venus......you know even if it is within 7* of aries, it would give the

> results of exaltation or not? Similarly Moon in 3* taurus, Jupiter in 5

> * cancer....Similarly, jupiter is supposed to give the same results as

> exaltation in kumbha rashi and in leo too... the two rashis have

> literally opposite properties. what could be the logic?

> > > Regs,

> > > Anita

>

April 8, 2009

Pranams,As regards the above,I follow the under noted Jyotish Balapaada :-Grha-------------Sign----------Uccha Phalam up toSun--------------Mesha---------10 out of 30 Divisions,Moon-------------Rishabha-----3 out of 30Divi.Mars---------------Mithuna-----28 out of 30Divi.Mercury----------Kannya------15 out of 30 Divi.Juptiter----------Kataka--------5 out of 30Divi.Venus----------Meena--------27 out of 30Divi.Sat.-----------Thulaa--------20 out of 30 Divi.Rahu--------Rishabha---- 22 out of 30Divi.Ketu--------Virchika-----24 out of 30Divi.The above are also found in a Jyotish book "Jyotisha pradhama Balacshisha" written in 18th Century by Jyotish scholar T.S.Aiyaasami pillai.I also see similar references in "Bhrigu Sutras" for example in the case of Mercury it is

mentioned as "The first 15 degrees of Virgo is the exaltation portion of Virgo, 16 to 20 degrees portion is his Mooltrikona and the rest is Swakshetra. The whole of Gemini is also his Swakshetra."--- On Mon, 6/4/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish

wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: Uccha and Paramoccha Date: Monday, 6 April, 2009, 11:29 AM

Dear Sreenadhji,

Thank you. Theres no hurry, please take your own time and do not spend

time more than necessary on this. This is because in practise I do not

think more than 1 in a 1000 astrologers would be bothering about the

exact degrees of exaltation or debilitation, because normalyy one jus

looks at the planet in sign and annouces " So many planets are exalted

in your chart. Its a great horoscope". But few may bother to check the

exact degrees. Though this is a very important matter and must not be

neglected. For instance JUpiter in Sagittarius is considered to be good,

but if the same Jupiter is at 28 degrees in Sagittarius then it means he

is now travelling and near towards his Debilitation sign, Capricorn.

And same for a planet retrograde who at times may be moving towards

their exaltation degrees.

There are many such nuances in astrology which are yet to be tapped

effectively.

regards,

Bhaskar.

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April 9, 2009

Abnayaji,Mars-------- -------Mithuna- ----28 out of 30Divi. - to be modified as 'makara' and not mithuna.kannan --- On Wed, 8/4/09, abhanaya <abhanaya wrote:abhanaya <abhanayaRe: Re: Uccha and Paramoccha Date: Wednesday, 8 April, 2009, 2:42 PM

Pranams,As regards the above,I follow the under noted Jyotish Balapaada :-Grha-------- -----Sign- --------- Uccha Phalam up toSun--------- -----Mesha- --------10 out of 30 Divisions,Moon-------- -----Rishabha- ----3 out of 30Divi.Mars-------- -------Mithuna- ----28 out of 30Divi.Mercury----- -----Kannya- -----15 out of 30 Divi.Juptiter---- ------Kataka- -------5 out of 30Divi.Venus------- ---Meena- -------27 out of 30Divi.Sat.-------- ---Thulaa- -------20 out of 30 Divi.Rahu-------- Rishabha- --- 22 out of 30Divi.Ketu-------- Virchika- ----24 out of 30Divi.The above are also found in a

Jyotish book "Jyotisha pradhama Balacshisha" written in 18th Century by Jyotish scholar T.S.Aiyaasami pillai.I also see similar references in "Bhrigu Sutras" for example in the case of Mercury it is

mentioned as "The first 15 degrees of Virgo is the exaltation portion of Virgo, 16 to 20 degrees portion is his Mooltrikona and the rest is Swakshetra. The whole of Gemini is also his Swakshetra."--- On Mon, 6/4/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>

wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Uccha and Paramocchaancient_indian_ astrologyMonday, 6 April, 2009, 11:29 AM