Symbolism Everywhere (Based on Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin)

April 12, 2009

Symbolism Everywhere [symbolism Everywhere (An astrological discussion based on Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin)]

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Vinita, Nalini, Souvik Datta, Sreenadh OG]

[Editor:

Sreenadh OG]

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Vinita:

Maybe there is symbolism everywhere. Like in the following song which is

absolutely lovely......

[Editor: Vinita ji quotes

from - the lyrics to Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin, which was used to much

mirth in the Wayne's World Movie. Led Zeppelin were an English rock band formed

in 1968 by Jimmy Page (guitar), Robert Plant (vocals), John Paul Jones (bass

guitar, keyboards) and John Bonham (drums). With their heavy, guitar-driven

sound, Led Zeppelin are regarded as one of the first heavy metal bands. However,

the band's individualistic style draws from many sources and transcends any one

genre.

URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_Zeppelin]

STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN

There's a lady who's sure

All that glitters is gold

And she's buying a stairway to heaven.

When she gets there she knows

If the stores are all closed

With a word she can get what she came for.

Ooh, ooh, and she's buying a stairway to heaven.

There's a sign on the wall

But she wants to be sure

'cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.

In a tree by the brook

There's a songbird who sings,

Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven.

Ooh, it makes me wonder,

Ooh, it makes me wonder.

There's a feeling I get

When I look to the west,

And my spirit is crying for leaving.

In my thoughts I have seen

Rings of smoke through the trees,

And the voices of those who standing looking.

Ooh, it makes me wonder,

Ooh, it really makes me wonder.

And it's whispered that soon

If we all call the tune

Then the piper will lead us to reason.

And a new day will dawn

For those who stand long

And the forests will echo with laughter.

If there's a bustle in your hedgerow

Don't be alarmed now,

It's just a spring clean for the may queen.

Yes, there are two paths you can go by

But in the long run

There's still time to change the road you're on.

And it makes me wonder.

Your head is humming and it won't go

In case you don't know,

The piper's calling you to join him,

Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow,

And did you know

Your stairway lies on the whispering wind.

And as we wind on down the road

Our shadows taller than our soul.

There walks a lady we all know

Who shines white light and wants to show

How ev'rything still turns to gold.

And if you listen very hard

The tune will come to you at last.

When all are one and one is all

To be a rock and not to roll.

And she's buying a stairway to heaven.

Nalini:

I can only

say "WOW"

Vinita:

Nalini, I am glad u liked the lyrics. The song is

hauntingly beautiful. The tune keeps humming in the head and refuses go away.

Souvik, did you know that according to Mayan myth a

rope / snake / stairway will descend from heaven in 2012?

Souvik Datta:

Wow no I actually didn't know that till now. After

your mail I researched and found this: http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/author/henry/2012stargate.shtml

Quite interesting I must confess... Thanks for sharing...

[Editor: This branch ended

there itself and did not became a detailed discussion of 2012 end date provided

by ancient Maya civilization, as could have been expected. But another branch

from the same thread continued revealing some philosophical content and

understanding]

Sreenadh:

It is beautiful!! But I

think - "we should build the stair way the heaven we know" rather

than "buying the stairway to heaven". Thanks for giving us that very

good song. Yes, I too think that it is symbolic and there is hidden meaning

inside. I join hands with Nalini to say "WOW"

Vinita:

I agree with u 100 per

cent! We should BUILD our stairway.... (Can't think of how one could be

"buying" a stairway to heaven.... though I thought I could understand

a little bit why "all that glitters is gold").

Sreenadh:

That is interesting.

Quote

I thought I could understand a little bit why

"all that glitters is gold"

Unquote

I don't think 'all that

glitters is gold'. But for sure, if some thing is gold, even if it does not

glitter, it is valuable for sure. Let

us chip away the impurities, and refine the knowledge of astrology as Mihira

states in the opening verse of Brihat samhita, "Like melted gold" let

our knowledge become pure, refined, and let us be bold in upholding the truth

we find. If not worthy let it evaporate into thin air - and we are happy.

Let us joyously enjoy the exercise.

"We should build the

stair way to the heaven we know"

Two things are

pre-requisites here.

1) We

should know how to build the stairway.

For

this we first need to collect the raw material. As for as astrology is

concerned our stair way is a logical one, and the raw material is the knowledge

inputs and thoughts by the ancient Rishis. In short the whole available

knowledge about astrology.

2) We

should know the heaven before hand!

This

means that, instead of believing or disbelieving in a subject, naturally the

TRUST should develop. We never believe in Sun, but we TRUST because we know

that it is a reality. Yes, but this comes from experience and daily

interaction. If we have seen somebody using the tool of astrology is a very

effective manner producing astonishing results, or if we ourselves were able to

do that then only that trust originates/forms. (For people in Kerala, I think

still that chance remains, I think. Anybody who has seen a good Deva Prasna in

Temples of Kerala where 3 to 10 astrologers interact each other discussing the

various aspects of astrology will agree to this I hope)

But yes, there are big

gaps in between - Between the accepted knowledge of science and the system of

astrology. Plus, the astrological system itself is now in a corrupted state. So

what we should try to do is to bridge this gap using the logical

stairway we build using

the raw materials collected form the ancient classics. Yes, since we have to

bridge it to the knowledge today, we would have to have the systematic idea of

the current knowledge as well. I hope

you would agree.

Let us join hands in this

search, in this effort, in this sincere research for reestablishing the value

of an ancient thought system, the holistic approach - and its child, astrology.

It is not everything and perfect in all ways – but, yes, for sure there is

something worthy. And even if it is a lone piece of real gold, among thousand

junk superstitions, (things that glitters), let us give it its true credit, to

enjoy the impartial happiness.

Vinita:

I simply loved that! For me too all that glitters

(has the light of God reflected on it) is gold and is worth pursuing. The

stairway we can build, or buy, that is not material.....non material?

Nalini:

Meta physical and spiritual I would say! As long as

the stairway is strong fundamentally, it would serve the purpose it is built

for with *investing* our all into it, like sreenadh ji said, else it would

crumble ignomiously (in a dishonorably manner or to a dishonorable degree).

[Editor:

The thread ended there. It was a knowledge sharing session – spiritual and

philosophical. But in astrological perspective this thread has shared only a

little, I would say. The possibilities related to exploring the 2012 Mayan end

date remained unexplored and left out for some time, even though in some other

thread someone else took up it later and discussed in detail]

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April 13, 2009

Hi All,

Buying a stairway would be like a person doing his karma like a kam kami and building one would be lika a person doing karm as a karm yogi.

manoj

On Sun, Apr 12, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Sreenadh <sreesog wrote:

Symbolism Everywhere

[symbolism Everywhere (An astrological discussion based on Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin)]

[Participants: Vinita, Nalini, Souvik Datta, Sreenadh OG]

[Editor: Sreenadh OG]

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The article should be presented in a conversation form itself, with participant name mentioned and his words below intended

Editor should take care to ensure the continuity of the subject matter discussed by slipping in his own comments between conversations, but should take care to put his comments always within square brackets.

The editor has the full freedom to edit/remove any part of the conversation to ensure continuity and readability of the articles, but adding extra statements outside the editor brackets or within the conversation as if statements made by participants (when they didn't) should be avoided.

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(Source: AIA Website: Symbolism Everywhere )

Vinita:

Maybe there is symbolism everywhere. Like in the following song which is absolutely lovely......

[Editor: Vinita ji quotes from - the lyrics to Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin, which was used to much mirth in the Wayne's World Movie. Led Zeppelin were an English rock band formed in 1968 by Jimmy Page (guitar), Robert Plant (vocals), John Paul Jones (bass guitar, keyboards) and John Bonham (drums). With their heavy, guitar-driven sound, Led Zeppelin are regarded as one of the first heavy metal bands. However, the band's individualistic style draws from many sources and transcends any one genre.

URL: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Led_Zeppelin]

STAIRWAY TO HEAVENThere's a lady who's sureAll that glitters is goldAnd she's buying a stairway to heaven.When she gets there she knowsIf the stores are all closedWith a word she can get what she came for.

Ooh, ooh, and she's buying a stairway to heaven.There's a sign on the wallBut she wants to be sure'cause you know sometimes words have two meanings.In a tree by the brookThere's a songbird who sings,

Sometimes all of our thoughts are misgiven.Ooh, it makes me wonder,Ooh, it makes me wonder.There's a feeling I getWhen I look to the west,And my spirit is crying for leaving.In my thoughts I have seen

Rings of smoke through the trees,And the voices of those who standing looking.Ooh, it makes me wonder,Ooh, it really makes me wonder.And it's whispered that soonIf we all call the tuneThen the piper will lead us to reason.

And a new day will dawnFor those who stand longAnd the forests will echo with laughter.If there's a bustle in your hedgerowDon't be alarmed now,It's just a spring clean for the may queen.

Yes, there are two paths you can go byBut in the long runThere's still time to change the road you're on.And it makes me wonder.Your head is humming and it won't goIn case you don't know,

The piper's calling you to join him,Dear lady, can you hear the wind blow,And did you knowYour stairway lies on the whispering wind.And as we wind on down the roadOur shadows taller than our soul.

There walks a lady we all knowWho shines white light and wants to showHow ev'rything still turns to gold.And if you listen very hardThe tune will come to you at last.When all are one and one is all

To be a rock and not to roll.And she's buying a stairway to heaven.

Nalini:

I can only say " WOW "

Vinita:

Nalini, I am glad u liked the lyrics. The song is hauntingly beautiful. The tune keeps humming in the head and refuses go away.

Souvik, did you know that according to Mayan myth a rope / snake / stairway will descend from heaven in 2012?

Souvik Datta:

Wow no I actually didn't know that till now. After your mail I researched and found this: http://www.hiddenmysteries.org/author/henry/2012stargate.shtml

Quite interesting I must confess... Thanks for sharing...

[Editor: This branch ended there itself and did not became a detailed discussion of 2012 end date provided by ancient Maya civilization, as could have been expected. But another branch from the same thread continued revealing some philosophical content and understanding]

Sreenadh:

It is beautiful!! But I think - " we should build the stair way the heaven we know " rather than " buying the stairway to heaven " . Thanks for giving us that very good song. Yes, I too think that it is symbolic and there is hidden meaning inside. I join hands with Nalini to say " WOW "

Vinita:

I agree with u 100 per cent! We should BUILD our stairway.... (Can't think of how one could be " buying " a stairway to heaven.... though I thought I could understand a little bit why " all that glitters is gold " ).

Sreenadh:

That is interesting.

Quote

I thought I could understand a little bit why " all that glitters is gold "

Unquote

I don't think 'all that glitters is gold'. But for sure, if some thing is gold, even if it does not glitter, it is valuable for sure. Let us chip away the impurities, and refine the knowledge of astrology as Mihira states in the opening verse of Brihat samhita, " Like melted gold " let our knowledge become pure, refined, and let us be bold in upholding the truth we find. If not worthy let it evaporate into thin air - and we are happy. Let us joyously enjoy the exercise.

" We should build the stair way to the heaven we know "

Two things are pre-requisites here.

1) We should know how to build the stairway.

For this we first need to collect the raw material. As for as astrology is concerned our stair way is a logical one, and the raw material is the knowledge inputs and thoughts by the ancient Rishis. In short the whole available knowledge about astrology.

2) We should know the heaven before hand!

This means that, instead of believing or disbelieving in a subject, naturally the TRUST should develop. We never believe in Sun, but we TRUST because we know that it is a reality. Yes, but this comes from experience and daily interaction. If we have seen somebody using the tool of astrology is a very effective manner producing astonishing results, or if we ourselves were able to do that then only that trust originates/forms. (For people in Kerala, I think still that chance remains, I think. Anybody who has seen a good Deva Prasna in Temples of Kerala where 3 to 10 astrologers interact each other discussing the various aspects of astrology will agree to this I hope)

But yes, there are big gaps in between - Between the accepted knowledge of science and the system of astrology. Plus, the astrological system itself is now in a corrupted state. So what we should try to do is to bridge this gap using the logical

stairway we build using the raw materials collected form the ancient classics. Yes, since we have to bridge it to the knowledge today, we would have to have the systematic idea of the current knowledge as well. I hope you would agree.

Let us join hands in this search, in this effort, in this sincere research for reestablishing the value of an ancient thought system, the holistic approach - and its child, astrology. It is not everything and perfect in all ways – but, yes, for sure there is something worthy. And even if it is a lone piece of real gold, among thousand junk superstitions, (things that glitters), let us give it its true credit, to enjoy the impartial happiness.

Vinita:

I simply loved that! For me too all that glitters (has the light of God reflected on it) is gold and is worth pursuing. The stairway we can build, or buy, that is not material.....non material?

Nalini:

Meta physical and spiritual I would say! As long as the stairway is strong fundamentally, it would serve the purpose it is built for with *investing* our all into it, like sreenadh ji said, else it would crumble ignomiously (in a dishonorably manner or to a dishonorable degree).

[Editor: The thread ended there. It was a knowledge sharing session – spiritual and philosophical. But in astrological perspective this thread has shared only a little, I would say. The possibilities related to exploring the 2012 Mayan end date remained unexplored and left out for some time, even though in some other thread someone else took up it later and discussed in detail]

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