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Since ancient Vedic days , there were 18 sages of outstanding merit , who tried

to

improve and the science of Astronomy. Aryabhatta and Varamihira tried to further

enhance the level

of accuracy in observation and ascertaining the position of planets and other

astral bodies in the sky.

 

The discovery of telescope had increased the accuracy in observational astronomy

many fold.

Now a days planets are observed and traced by nuclear telescopes with help of

computers and sputniks

all the 24 hours.

A important breakthrough came in astronomy in the form of  Kepler's three  laws

of planetary motion.

Inspite of this , during the maned Apollo flight , the star could not guide the

movement of Apollo Vehicle

on account of displaced position of stars (calculated from all known siddantas

including Surya siddhant

and modern astronomy)

A thorough study was undertaken by a body of international Astro-scientists

under the overall guidance

of IAU.All constant were revised and the Sixth Fundamental Catalogue (FK6) was

prepared.. This gives much accurate position of astral bodies in the sky.

All Siddhanta(S) are of immense value to understand the development of Astronomy

, but we have no

 alternative but to follow modern astronomy.

All abuses to each other do not have any meaning . We can not resign ourselves

from truth.

Regards,

 G.K.GOEL

Ph: 09350311433

Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR

NEW DELHI-110 076

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Vedic Astrology- Hyderabad, " Chandrashekhar "

<chandrashekhar46@ ...> wrote:

 

Dear Kishore,

 

Avanti is the ancient name of Ujjain. Magadha means the Magadha desha or present

day Bihar and Dvija means Brahmin.

 

Chandrashekhar.

 

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kishore patnaik

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com ; Vedic Astrology- Hyderabad

Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:34 PM

[Vedic Astrology- Hyderabad] varaha mihira - http://www.aryabhat

ta.net/Varahamih ira.html

 

Varahamihira

 

Aryabhatta is said to have discovered the diurnal motion of the earth' which he

thought to be spherical. I leave the explanation of these scientific matters to

those who are making scientific investigations of Hindu Astronomy. But one thing

is certain that it was about this time that the old Krttika series of asterisms

was discarded and the new series commencing from the 1st point of Asvini was

adopted. The first point of ASvini recedes one degree or by one day in 73 years

and it has receded twenty days now giving a total of twenty into seventy-three

(20 X 73) that is, 1460 years. The point was on the equinoctial circle on the

first day of Vaisakha and now it is on the 10th of Ohaitra. So the point was

seen there 1460 years ago, that is, 1921-1460 that is 461 A.D. This is only an

approximate calculation. If accurate calculation is made it will fall within the

active period of Aryabhata's life.

 

Aryabhatta had many students and his next successor Lalla was one of his pupils

and some say Varahamihira, too, was his pupil.

 

Aryabhatta had another celebrated astronomer as his contemporary. This was

Varahamihira. In his Vrhajja- taka in the 26th chapter, he says that he was son

of Adityadasa, that he was an Avantaka, that he received his knowledge from his

father and that he obtained a book from the Sun-God at Kampillaka or Kapitthaka.

Bhattotpala tells us that he was a Migadha dvija. Some say that he was a

Magadvija, i.e., one of the Magii long settled in India. From all this the late

Pandit Sudhakara Dvivedi in his Ganakatarangiui infers that it is not impossible

that Varaha was a Magadha Brahmin. He might have gone to Ujjain for livelihood

He studied with his father at his own house in Magadha and also studied the

works of Aryabhatta there, he travelled to make himself known, he worshipped

Sun-God at Kampillaka (Kalpi) and obtained a book from him. I acquired a

manuscript of his son's work Prthuyasah-Sastra at Samkhu the northernmost part

of the Nepal valley, the opening

verse of which says that the son Varahamihira asked his father some questions

while he was residing at the beautiful city of Kanyakubja on the Ganges.

 

Varaha might have retired to Kanyakubja in his old age to be on the Ganges and

there imparted his knowledge to his son Prthuyasah. Amaraja, the commentator of

Khandanakhandakhady a says that Varahamihira died in the Saka year 509 that is

587 A.D. Some people think that Varaha wrote his Panca-Siddhantika in 505 A.D.

that is Saka 4:27. But this is impossible if we are to believe Amaraja. Varaha

would then be only 18. Therefore Dr Thibaut after carefully considering all the

facts of the case thinks that 427 Saka was the date when Lalla revised the

Romaka-Siddhanta and that the Panca-SiddhSnta was composed about 550 A.D. So

Varahamihira was a later contemporary and perhaps a student of Aryabhata.

 

The Ganakatarangiui has given a list of Varaha's works and thinks that the

Vrhat-Saipbita is his last work. It is an Eucyclopoedic work. It treats not only

of Astronomy and Astrology but of such subjects as gardening, agriculture,

sculpture, strilak^ana, purusalakgana and so on. This great work is the

Pafica-Sidhantta in which he gives a summary of all the Sidhantas current in his

time. They are five in number Paulisa, Romaka. VaSi^tha, Paitamaha and

Sur.yyasiddhaata. Varaha says that of these five PmiliSa and Roraaka have been

explained by Latadeva.

 

The Siddhanta made by PauliSa is accurate. Near to it stands the Siddhanta

proclaimed by Romaka, more accurate is the Savitra (Saura) and the two remaining

are far from the truth.

 

Kern says that the third Skandha of Jyotisa " 'namely, its Jataka section has

been borrowed from the Yavanas or Greeks. This is a fact. The Yavana-Jataka of

Yavan & caryya is still regarded as an authoritative work on the subject and there

are other works like Miuaraja Jataka also taken from the Yavanas. I found in

Nepal a manuscript of a Yavana-Jataka written in the character of the tenth

century oa palm-leaf which contains the following statement at the end.

 

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Since ancient Vedic days , there were 18 sages of outstanding merit , who tried to

improve and the science of Astronomy. Aryabhatta and Varamihira tried to further enhance the level

of accuracy in observation and ascertaining the position of planets and other astral bodies in the sky.

 

The discovery of telescope had increased the accuracy in observational astronomy many fold.

Now a days planets are observed and traced by nuclear telescopes with help of computers and sputniks

all the 24 hours.

A important breakthrough came in astronomy in the form of Kepler's three laws of planetary motion.

Inspite of this , during the maned Apollo flight , the star could not guide the movement of Apollo Vehicle

on account of displaced position of stars (calculated from all known siddantas including Surya siddhant

and modern astronomy)

A thorough study was undertaken by a body of international Astro-scientists under the overall guidance

of IAU.All constant were revised and the Sixth Fundamental Catalogue (FK6) was prepared.. This gives much accurate position of astral bodies in the sky.

All Siddhanta(S) are of immense value to understand the development of Astronomy , but we have no

alternative but to follow modern astronomy.

All abuses to each other do not have any meaning . We can not resign ourselves from truth.

Regards, G.K.GOELPh: 09350311433Add: L-409, SARITA VIHARNEW DELHI-110 076INDIA

 

 

 

Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirvedhinducalendar Sent: Sunday, 19 April, 2009 6:57:34 PM[ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Re: [Vedic Astrology-Hyderabad] varaha mihira - http://www.aryabhatta.net/Varahamihira.html

 

Vedic Astrology- Hyderabad, "Chandrashekhar" <chandrashekhar46@ ...> wrote:Dear Kishore,Avanti is the ancient name of Ujjain. Magadha means the Magadha desha or present day Bihar and Dvija means Brahmin.Chandrashekhar.- kishore patnaik ; indiaarchaeology ; ancient_indian_ astrology ; Vedic Astrology- Hyderabad Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:34

PM[Vedic Astrology- Hyderabad] varaha mihira - http://www.aryabhat ta.net/Varahamih ira.htmlVarahamihiraAryabhatta is said to have discovered the diurnal motion of the earth' which he thought to be spherical. I leave the explanation of these scientific matters to those who are making scientific investigations of Hindu Astronomy. But one thing is certain that it was about this time that the old Krttika series of asterisms was discarded and the new series commencing from the 1st point of Asvini was adopted. The first point of ASvini recedes one degree or by one day in 73 years and it has receded twenty days now giving a total of twenty into seventy-three (20 X 73) that is, 1460 years. The point was on the equinoctial circle on the first day of Vaisakha and now it is on the 10th of Ohaitra. So the point was seen there 1460 years ago, that is,

1921-1460 that is 461 A.D. This is only an approximate calculation. If accurate calculation is made it will fall within the active period of Aryabhata's life. Aryabhatta had many students and his next successor Lalla was one of his pupils and some say Varahamihira, too, was his pupil. Aryabhatta had another celebrated astronomer as his contemporary. This was Varahamihira. In his Vrhajja- taka in the 26th chapter, he says that he was son of Adityadasa, that he was an Avantaka, that he received his knowledge from his father and that he obtained a book from the Sun-God at Kampillaka or Kapitthaka. Bhattotpala tells us that he was a Migadha dvija. Some say that he was a Magadvija, i.e., one of the Magii long settled in India. From all this the late Pandit Sudhakara Dvivedi in his Ganakatarangiui infers that it is not impossible that Varaha was a Magadha Brahmin. He might have gone to Ujjain for livelihood He studied with his father at his

own house in Magadha and also studied the works of Aryabhatta there, he travelled to make himself known, he worshipped Sun-God at Kampillaka (Kalpi) and obtained a book from him. I acquired a manuscript of his son's work Prthuyasah-Sastra at Samkhu the northernmost part of the Nepal valley, the opening verse of which says that the son Varahamihira asked his father some questions while he was residing at the beautiful city of Kanyakubja on the Ganges. Varaha might have retired to Kanyakubja in his old age to be on the Ganges and there imparted his knowledge to his son Prthuyasah. Amaraja, the commentator of Khandanakhandakhady a says that Varahamihira died in the Saka year 509 that is 587 A.D. Some people think that Varaha wrote his Panca-Siddhantika in 505 A.D. that is Saka 4:27. But this is impossible if we are to believe Amaraja. Varaha would then be only 18. Therefore Dr Thibaut after carefully considering all the facts of the case thinks

that 427 Saka was the date when Lalla revised the Romaka-Siddhanta and that the Panca-SiddhSnta was composed about 550 A.D. So Varahamihira was a later contemporary and perhaps a student of Aryabhata. The Ganakatarangiui has given a list of Varaha's works and thinks that the Vrhat-Saipbita is his last work. It is an Eucyclopoedic work. It treats not only of Astronomy and Astrology but of such subjects as gardening, agriculture, sculpture, strilak^ana, purusalakgana and so on. This great work is the Pafica-Sidhantta in which he gives a summary of all the Sidhantas current in his time. They are five in number Paulisa, Romaka. VaSi^tha, Paitamaha and Sur.yyasiddhaata. Varaha says that of these five PmiliSa and Roraaka have been explained by Latadeva. The Siddhanta made by PauliSa is accurate. Near to it stands the Siddhanta proclaimed by Romaka, more accurate is the Savitra (Saura) and the two remaining are far from the truth. Kern

says that the third Skandha of Jyotisa "'namely, its Jataka section has been borrowed from the Yavanas or Greeks. This is a fact. The Yavana-Jataka of Yavan & caryya is still regarded as an authoritative work on the subject and there are other works like Miuaraja Jataka also taken from the Yavanas. I found in Nepal a manuscript of a Yavana-Jataka written in the character of the tenth century oa palm-leaf which contains the following statement at the end.--- End forwarded message ---

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Atleast think that why some Temples of Tamilnadu have started celebrating festivals according to the seasons.dear Mr. Prashant pandey,Ur abovementioned statement is totally absurd. I am from chennai. it is ourwonderful Chief minister who is well known for his hatred towards Hindu religion though he himself a hindu by birth has changed the Tamil new year to Pongal Harvest day. ie every body shud celeberate tamil new years day onPongal day and not on April 14th (this year tamil newyears day falls on 14h april).His hatred towards sanskrit, vedas,puranas and towards Hindu gods made himto shift the celebration of the new year to Jan 14th. It is nothing to do with seasonsor sayana or nirayana zodiac. He is a corrupt person amazed wealth thro corrupt means, having 3 wives and a dozen concubines. Now he has become old otherwise hisappetite to lead a highly immoral life would have been on the increasing

trend.chek before u make such statements. Tamilnadu is the only state where uhave large scale atheism targetting Brahmins, vedas, and mother of languages iesanskrit.Most of the brahmins have migrated outside the country because of perputual suppression by the so called political parties DMK,PMK MDMK etc.today other castes are fighting amongst themselves to share the cake .this is for ur information. k.gopu--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Astrolearner Brazil <astrolearner_ brazil (AT) ymail (DOT) com> wrote:Astrolearner Brazil <astrolearner_ brazil (AT) ymail (DOT) com>[vedic astrology] Fw: [ind. & West. Astrology] Re:aryabhatta. net/Varahamihiravedic astrologyTuesday, April 21, 2009, 11:42 PM--- On Tue, 21/4/09, Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ . co.in> wrote:Prashant Pandey <praspandey@ . co.in>[ind. & West. Astrology] Re:aryabhatta. net/VarahamihiraIndian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.comTuesday, 21 April, 2009, 5:27 PMDear Respected Goelji,Cool Down!Please before replying to his mails consider that instead of Mr A K Kaul some other person has written it than you would be able to do justice without being prejudiced to any side.Sir you have not shown any proof in following written mail,, you have not substantiated any argument by any quote from VEDAS and Purans.For your kind information even on internet there are proofs(from our Purans and VEDAS) that our calendar was Tropical.Sir i am talking of Vedic

Calendar.Atleast think that why some Temples of Tamilnadu have started celebrating festivals according to the seasons.Regs,Prashant PandeyIndian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:>> Dear?Mr. Kaul,> You are grossly wrong ,when you say that zodiac signs were not known to sages in ancient past.> 1. There is a concrete evidence that they were following sidereal? zodiac of 27 ?nakshatras .This is the back> bone of Indian vedic -cum puranic astrology.> 2. Out of nakshatras , 12 sidereal signs were created and named against fixed configuration of stars.> ? It is baseless to call tropical signs after the names of fixed stars.> 3. Ayanamsa - This is the angular arc between two points namely V.E.Point of the day and > ? initial point of sidereal Aries ( Nakshatra Acvini),which is 180 degrees away? from Star

chitra.> 4. Samvat sar calender is in continuous use since2066 years . This is sidereal soli-Lunar> calender .?Now 90% Panchang makers in India and abroad are obtaining basic astronomical data?> ?from 'POSITIONAL ASTRONOMICAL CENTRES ' and are in complete harmony with modern> ?Astronomy.More over , this calender is based on the traditions and dictum which were given by ancient sages before 2000B.C.There is no doubt about it.> 5. There is absolutely ,I repeat absolutely no necessity to discard this unique Samvat-sar calender as this meets all our requirements according to Vedas and Puranas.> 6. For civil purposes , Govt. of India has already given a Rashtrya panchag , alas no body including Govt. > follows it in preference to the Gregorian calender.> 7. In the name of calender reform , you people wish to destroy samvat-sar calender.Kindly do not do it.> ?? You are bound to fail.>

Regards,> ?G.K.GOEL> Ph: 09350311433> Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> NEW DELHI-110 076> INDIA > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@. ..>> Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com> Tuesday, 21 April, 2009 5:52:46 PM> [ind. & West. Astrology] Re:aryabhatta. net/Varahamihira> > > > > > Shri Gopal Goel ji,> Namaskar!> It is a pleasure to see your erudite article.> > GKG: "Since ancient Vedic days , there were 18 sages of outstanding merit , who tried to improve the science of Astronomy".> > AKK: Prior to the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha, we do not find any mention of Mesha etc. rashis in any of the astronomical works. As such, all that can be said about astronomical development in India

prior to that alien influence is that the Hindus were more interested in the Vedic lore sans predictive gimmicks based on Mangal, Shani etc. planets vis-a-vis Mesha etc. rashis.> > Judging from the Atharva-Veda- Parishishita etc., there is a possibility that some nakshatra-soochis, whom all the shastras have disparaged as brahmana-chandalas, did roam around in about fifth/sixth century BCE, but they were really nakshatra-soochis i.e. making a fool of a common man on the basis of planets vis-a-vis nakshatras (and not rashis!). How those nakshatra-soochis calculated the position of various planets vis-a-vis nakshatras is also a moot point, since we do not have any works like that of Hipparchus' catalogues etc. that could tell anything about the position of various stars in that age! If some "Vedic astrologers" claim that those nakshatra-soochis were "naked eyed jyotishis", they must get their heads examined, since it is impossible to

calculate planetary position of every nativity vis-a-vis nakshatras by just observing them with naked eyes!> > GKG: Aryabhatta and Varamihira tried to further enhance the level> of accuracy in observation and ascertaining the position of planets and other astral bodies in the sky.> > AKK: Varahamihira was a phalita-jyotishi ( pl. see his Brihat Jatakam etc..) who also dabbled in mundane astrology (pl. see his Brihat-Samhita) ! He did not know even ABC of astronomy since the only astronomical work attributed to him is Pancha-sidhantika. That is actually a compilation of five sidhantas, Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha being one of them, and the only astronomical work that has given planetary longitudes vis-a-vis Mesha etc. rashis till then.> As is common knowledge by now, Surya Sidhanta is really a monstrous astronomical work, irrespective of fulosme praise by "Vedic astrologers" to that alien work. The

fundamental arguments of that work are not correct for any epoch either in the past or future! They are just imagination run riot! The more the Hindus cling to that work, the more we will be making a laughing stock of ourselves either directly or indirectly, since clinging to that work is tantamount to attributing lack of knowledg to the real Vamadevas and Parasharas! As such, the earlier we admit that the Surya Sidhanta is an alien work, the better for the Hindu culture as a whole which will thus get rid of the stigma of having spawned wrong fundamental arguments and then clung to them in their foolishness!> > Varahamihira called that very monstrous astronomical work as "spashta-tarah savitrah" i.e. "The Surya Sidhanta is the most accurate astronomical work". That in itself proves that Varahamihira did not know even ABC of astronomy!> And, as is claimed by "Vedic astrologers" of today, Varahamihra is supposed to have made correct

predictions from that very fundamentally incorrect data! Such a feat can be attributed to either a yogi or a charlatan! Varahamihira was no yogi since he would have realized then that Maya the mlechha was palming of some Greek work as the one revealed by Surya Bhagwan! Varahamihira would not have been taken in by such ploys of Maya the mlechha if he had been a yogi! But since he fell hook, line and sinker for the ploy of Maya, and claimed to make correct predictions from that very fundamentally incorrect data, he certainly was a charlatan!> > Regarding Aryabhatti, that is more or less a ditto copy of the fundamental arguments of the Surya Sidhanta of Pancha-Sidhantika! As such, the planetary fundamental arguments in that work too are of an alien origin! Neither Aryabhata nor Maya the mlechha have indicated indebtedness to any purvacharya! That again proves their comlicity in plagiarising some alien arguments!> > GKG: The

discovery of telescope had increased the accuracy in observational astronomy many fold. Now a days planets are observed and traced by nuclear telescopes with help of computers and sputniks> all the 24 hours.A important breakthrough came in astronomy in the form of Kepler's three laws of planetary motion.> > AKK: I am very glad to see your boldness in admitting that till the time of Kepler i.e. sixteenth century A.D., the inhabitants of the planet called earth did not know how to calculate planetary longitudes correctly, in spite of the Surya Sidhanta and other sidhantas or even Ptolmey!> You are thus yourself conveying to everybody the unpleasant fact that prior to at least sixteenth century AD, no Western or Eastern---especiall y the latter, which includes Hindu astrologers --- could have made correct horoscopes, which means there could never have been correct predictions! Thus, all the claims by "Vedic astrologers"

---whether "Sayana-Vedic" or "Nirayana-Vedic" that their ancestors made correct predictions is nothing but a blatant lie! Or is it that all the "Vedic astrologers" want to prove that their ancestors also were charlatans, who could make corect predictions from wrong fundamental arguments?> > GKG: Inspite of this , during the maned Apollo flight , the star could not guide the movement of Apollo Vehicle on account of displaced position of stars (calculated from all known siddantas including Surya siddhant and modern astronomy)> A thorough study was undertaken by a body of international Astro-scientists under the overall guidance of IAU.All constant were revised and the Sixth Fundamental Catalogue (FK6) was prepared.. This gives much accurate position of astral bodies in the sky.> > AKK: That paragraph is really a master-piece and must serve as a warning to every astrologer for claiming to have made correct predictions in

the past! It is evident that if because of a minor flaw in calculations, Apollo Vehicle could not land at the desired spot, how can astrologers, whether "Sayana-Vedic" or "nirayana-Vedic" peep into the uncharted terrains of a human being---his past deeds, his present activities and his future success or failures, with the help of limited knowledge at their disposal, especially since that limited knowledge itself is emanating from JPL/NASA and not the Vedas or Puranas!> GKG: All Siddhanta(S) are of immense value to understand the development of Astronomy > > AKK: Actually the knowledge of sidhantic astronomy is of immense value to understand not the development but retardation of Hindu astronomy in the past, since all our efforts circumnavigated around the so called mythical ayanamsha of Surya Sidhanta by Maya the mlechha! And Lahiri Ayanamsha is one of the hundreds of resurrections of the imaginary Ayanamsha of that very sidhanta!

So I wonder whether the Vedic Hinuds are really progressing or going "retrograde" ---thanks to "Vedic astrologers" and their "Vedic astrology"> GKG: but we have no alternative but to follow modern astronomy.> AKK: Exactly! And since astronomically, the Ayanamsha curse does not exist at all, the earlier we get rid of it the better, if we want to really gain some astronomical knowledge!> GKG: All abuses to each other do not have any meaning . > AKK: U are right! Instead of abusing one another, we must abuse those aliens who tried to make a slave of us by palming of wrong fundamental arguments on the shoulders of Surya Bhagwan!> GKG: We can not resign ourselves from truth.> AKK: Very correct! And the truth is that there are no Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis either as per the Vedas or modern astronomy since the zodiac itself is an imaginary belt!> We must, therefore, go back to Madhu, Madhava etc. Vedic months and

Udagayana etc. astronomical phenomena, instead of clinging to making "correct predictions from incorrect data". In other words, we must say "good bye" to predictive gimmicks in the interest of the doctrines of real Vamadevas and Parasharas!> With kind regards,> A K Kaul> > Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, Gopal Goel <gkgoel1937@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Friends,> > Since ancient Vedic days , there were 18 sages of outstanding merit , who tried to > > improve and the science of Astronomy. Aryabhatta and Varamihira tried to further enhance the level> > of accuracy in observation and ascertaining the?position of planets and other astral bodies in the sky.> > > > The discovery of telescope had increased the accuracy in observational astronomy many fold.> > Now a days planets are observed and traced by nuclear

telescopes with help of computers and sputniks> > all the 24 hours.> > A important breakthrough came in astronomy in the form of? Kepler's three? laws of planetary motion.> > Inspite of this , during the maned Apollo flight , the star could not guide the movement of Apollo Vehicle> > on account of displaced position of stars (calculated from all known siddantas including Surya siddhant> > and modern astronomy)> > A thorough study was undertaken by a body of international Astro-scientists under the overall guidance > > of IAU.All constant were revised and the Sixth Fundamental Catalogue (FK6) was prepared.. This gives much accurate position of astral bodies in the sky.> > All?Siddhanta( S) are of immense value to understand the development of Astronomy , but we have no> > ?alternative but to follow modern astronomy.> > All abuses to each other do not have

any meaning . We can not resign ourselves from truth.> > Regards,> > ?G.K.GOEL> > Ph: 09350311433> > Add: L-409, SARITA VIHAR> > NEW DELHI-110 076> > INDIA > > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> > Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved@ ..>> > hinducalendar> > Sunday, 19 April, 2009 6:57:34 PM> > [ind. & West. Astrology] Fwd: Re: [Vedic Astrology- Hyderabad] varaha mihira - http://www.aryabhat ta.net/Varahamih ira.html> > > > > > > > > > > > Vedic Astrology- Hyderabad, "Chandrashekhar" <chandrashekhar46@ ...> wrote:> > > > Dear Kishore,> > > > Avanti is the

ancient name of Ujjain. Magadha means the Magadha desha or present day Bihar and Dvija means Brahmin.> > > > Chandrashekhar.> > > > - > > kishore patnaik > > ; indiaarchaeology ; ancient_indian_ astrology ; Vedic Astrology- Hyderabad > > Thursday, April 16, 2009 8:34 PM> > [Vedic Astrology- Hyderabad] varaha mihira - http://www.aryabhat ta.net/Varahamih ira.html> > > > Varahamihira> > > > Aryabhatta is said to have discovered the diurnal motion of the earth' which he thought to be spherical. I leave the explanation of these scientific matters to those who are making scientific investigations of Hindu Astronomy. But one thing is certain that it was about this time that the old

Krttika series of asterisms was discarded and the new series commencing from the 1st point of Asvini was adopted. The first point of ASvini recedes one degree or by one day in 73 years and it has receded twenty days now giving a total of twenty into seventy-three (20 X 73) that is, 1460 years. The point was on the equinoctial circle on the first day of Vaisakha and now it is on the 10th of Ohaitra. So the point was seen there 1460 years ago, that is, 1921-1460 that is 461 A.D. This is only an approximate calculation. If accurate calculation is made it will fall within the active period of Aryabhata's life. > > > > Aryabhatta had many students and his next successor Lalla was one of his pupils and some say Varahamihira, too, was his pupil. > > > > Aryabhatta had another celebrated astronomer as his contemporary. This was Varahamihira. In his Vrhajja- taka in the 26th chapter, he says that he was son of Adityadasa,

that he was an Avantaka, that he received his knowledge from his father and that he obtained a book from the Sun-God at Kampillaka or Kapitthaka. Bhattotpala tells us that he was a Migadha dvija. Some say that he was a Magadvija, i.e., one of the Magii long settled in India. From all this the late Pandit Sudhakara Dvivedi in his Ganakatarangiui infers that it is not impossible that Varaha was a Magadha Brahmin. He might have gone to Ujjain for livelihood He studied with his father at his own house in Magadha and also studied the works of Aryabhatta there, he travelled to make himself known, he worshipped Sun-God at Kampillaka (Kalpi) and obtained a book from him. I acquired a manuscript of his son's work Prthuyasah-Sastra at Samkhu the northernmost part of the Nepal valley, theopening> > verse of which says that the son Varahamihira asked his father some questions while he was residing at the beautiful city of Kanyakubja on the Ganges.

> > > > Varaha might have retired to Kanyakubja in his old age to be on the Ganges and there imparted his knowledge to his son Prthuyasah. Amaraja, the commentator of Khandanakhandakhady a says that Varahamihira died in the Saka year 509 that is 587 A.D. Some people think that Varaha wrote his Panca-Siddhantika in 505 A.D. that is Saka 4:27. But this is impossible if we are to believe Amaraja. Varaha would then be only 18. Therefore Dr Thibaut after carefully considering all the facts of the case thinks that 427 Saka was the date when Lalla revised the Romaka-Siddhanta and that the Panca-SiddhSnta was composed about 550 A.D. So Varahamihira was a later contemporary and perhaps a student of Aryabhata. > > > > The Ganakatarangiui has given a list of Varaha's works and thinks that the Vrhat-Saipbita is his last work. It is an Eucyclopoedic work. It treats not only of Astronomy and Astrology but of such subjects as

gardening, agriculture, sculpture, strilak^ana, purusalakgana and so on. This great work is the Pafica-Sidhantta in which he gives a summary of all the Sidhantas current in his time. They are five in number Paulisa, Romaka. VaSi^tha, Paitamaha and Sur.yyasiddhaata. Varaha says that of these five PmiliSa and Roraaka have been explained by Latadeva. > > > > The Siddhanta made by PauliSa is accurate. Near to it stands the Siddhanta proclaimed by Romaka, more accurate is the Savitra (Saura) and the two remaining are far from the truth. > > > > Kern says that the third Skandha of Jyotisa "'namely, its Jataka section has been borrowed from the Yavanas or Greeks. This is a fact. The Yavana-Jataka of Yavan & caryya is still regarded as an authoritative work on the subject and there are other works like Miuaraja Jataka also taken from the Yavanas. I found in Nepal a manuscript of a Yavana-Jataka written in the character

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Dear Gopal Goelji,Namaste,While you will reply to the mail please permit me to express my views on some of the absurd passages of this mail.1)QuoteIf some "Vedic astrologers" claim that those nakshatra-soochis were

"naked eyed jyotishis", they must get their heads examined, since it is

impossible to calculate planetary position of every nativity vis-a-vis

nakshatras by just observing them with naked eyes!

UnquoteAncient astronomers were naked eye astronomers. Only a headless person will contest this. By definition the word "Jyotish" means both astrology and astronomy. One cannot say that in the past the astronomers could not have known astrology.2)QuoteHe did not know even ABC of astronomy since the only astronomical work

attributed to him is Pancha-sidhantika. That is actually a compilation

of five sidhantas, Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha being one of

them, and the only astronomical work that has given planetary

longitudes vis-a-vis Mesha etc. rashis till then.UnquoteThis statement shows lack of common sense. What proof this writer has to say that Varahamihira did not know ABC of astronomy. Varahamihira wrote Panchasiddhantika and gave his assessment that Suryasiddhanta is the best among the five siddhantas and that provides ample proof of Varahamihira's all-encompassing knowledge of Astronomy. It is idiotic to say that a person ignorant of astronomy can assess treatises on astronomy. Some modern Mlecchas may use Mleccha bhasha to call Mayasura as Mleccha but Mayasura was not a mleccha and he used Aryabhasha to write the Suryasiddhanta. 3)QuoteAs such, the earlier we admit that the Surya Sidhanta is an alien work,

the better for the Hindu culture as a whole which will thus get rid of

the stigma of having spawned wrong fundamental arguments and then clung

to them in their foolishness!

UnquoteHere is another strange statement that Hindus should disown Suryasiddhanta and donate it to the aliens, thinking it to be useless, just because a blacksheep says so. 4)Quote

AKK: I am very glad to see your boldness in admitting that till the

time of Kepler i.e. sixteenth century A.D., the inhabitants of the

planet called earth did not know how to calculate planetary longitudes

correctly, in spite of the Surya Sidhanta and other sidhantas or even

Ptolmey!UnquoteHere Goelji, you are talking of the higher accuracy of the modern instruments as compared to the naked eye observations and AKK had hijacked it to say that you admitted that before Kepler nobody knew how to calculate the planetary positions correctly. No person in his senses cant make such a twisted statement.5)QuoteAKK: Very correct! And the truth is that there are no Mesha, Vrisha

etc. rashis either as per the Vedas or modern astronomy since the

zodiac itself is an imaginary belt!UnquoteInspite of my telling AKK that the Vedas do mention Rashis like Vrshabha AKK goes on repeating that there is no Rashi in Veda. This shows, once for all, that AKK cannot remember anything that has recently told to him recently. I thought this type of foregetfulness happens only to very old persons. Do you think that what you tell him now will bw registered by him? I think it will go down the drain as far he is concerned. But we must inform the group members as to what is the truth.AKK says that the Indians learned Astrology from the Greeks but has been unable to show any ancient Greek book, which gives everything that the ancient Indian books on Astrology has. Instead of giving false assertions it will be better if AKK tries to write a book to show the past Greek works corresponding to each and every topic of Indian Astrology. I am sure he cannot take such a challenge and will try to

wriggle out of it tactfully.Regards,Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Tue, 4/21/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved wrote:Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved[VRI] Fwd: Re:aryabhatta.net/Varahamihiravedic_research_institute Date: Tuesday, April 21, 2009, 9:31 PM

 

Indian_Astrology_ Group_Daily_ Digest@grou ps.com, "Avtar Krishen Kaul" <jyotirved@. ..> wrote:

 

Shri Gopal Goel ji,

Namaskar!

It is a pleasure to see your erudite article.

 

GKG: "Since ancient Vedic days , there were 18 sages of outstanding merit , who tried to improve the science of Astronomy".

 

AKK: Prior to the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha, we do not find any mention of Mesha etc. rashis in any of the astronomical works. As such, all that can be said about astronomical development in India prior to that alien influence is that the Hindus were more interested in the Vedic lore sans predictive gimmicks based on Mangal, Shani etc. planets vis-a-vis Mesha etc. rashis.

 

Judging from the Atharva-Veda- Parishishita etc., there is a possibility that some nakshatra-soochis, whom all the shastras have disparaged as brahmana-chandalas, did roam around in about fifth/sixth century BCE, but they were really nakshatra-soochis i.e. making a fool of a common man on the basis of planets vis-a-vis nakshatras (and not rashis!). How those nakshatra-soochis calculated the position of various planets vis-a-vis nakshatras is also a moot point, since we do not have any works like that of Hipparchus' catalogues etc. that could tell anything about the position of various stars in that age! If some "Vedic astrologers" claim that those nakshatra-soochis were "naked eyed jyotishis", they must get their heads examined, since it is impossible to calculate planetary position of every nativity vis-a-vis nakshatras by just observing them with naked eyes!

 

GKG: Aryabhatta and Varamihira tried to further enhance the level

of accuracy in observation and ascertaining the position of planets and other astral bodies in the sky.

 

AKK: Varahamihira was a phalita-jyotishi ( pl. see his Brihat Jatakam etc.) who also dabbled in mundane astrology (pl. see his Brihat-Samhita) ! He did not know even ABC of astronomy since the only astronomical work attributed to him is Pancha-sidhantika. That is actually a compilation of five sidhantas, Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha being one of them, and the only astronomical work that has given planetary longitudes vis-a-vis Mesha etc. rashis till then.

As is common knowledge by now, Surya Sidhanta is really a monstrous astronomical work, irrespective of fulosme praise by "Vedic astrologers" to that alien work. The fundamental arguments of that work are not correct for any epoch either in the past or future! They are just imagination run riot! The more the Hindus cling to that work, the more we will be making a laughing stock of ourselves either directly or indirectly, since clinging to that work is tantamount to attributing lack of knowledg to the real Vamadevas and Parasharas! As such, the earlier we admit that the Surya Sidhanta is an alien work, the better for the Hindu culture as a whole which will thus get rid of the stigma of having spawned wrong fundamental arguments and then clung to them in their foolishness!

 

Varahamihira called that very monstrous astronomical work as "spashta-tarah savitrah" i.e. "The Surya Sidhanta is the most accurate astronomical work". That in itself proves that Varahamihira did not know even ABC of astronomy!

And, as is claimed by "Vedic astrologers" of today, Varahamihra is supposed to have made correct predictions from that very fundamentally incorrect data! Such a feat can be attributed to either a yogi or a charlatan! Varahamihira was no yogi since he would have realized then that Maya the mlechha was palming of some Greek work as the one revealed by Surya Bhagwan! Varahamihira would not have been taken in by such ploys of Maya the mlechha if he had been a yogi! But since he fell hook, line and sinker for the ploy of Maya, and claimed to make correct predictions from that very fundamentally incorrect data, he certainly was a charlatan!

 

Regarding Aryabhatti, that is more or less a ditto copy of the fundamental arguments of the Surya Sidhanta of Pancha-Sidhantika! As such, the planetary fundamental arguments in that work too are of an alien origin! Neither Aryabhata nor Maya the mlechha have indicated indebtedness to any purvacharya! That again proves their comlicity in plagiarising some alien arguments!

 

GKG: The discovery of telescope had increased the accuracy in observational astronomy many fold. Now a days planets are observed and traced by nuclear telescopes with help of computers and sputniks

all the 24 hours.A important breakthrough came in astronomy in the form of Kepler's three laws of planetary motion.

 

AKK: I am very glad to see your boldness in admitting that till the time of Kepler i.e. sixteenth century A.D., the inhabitants of the planet called earth did not know how to calculate planetary longitudes correctly, in spite of the Surya Sidhanta and other sidhantas or even Ptolmey!

You are thus yourself conveying to everybody the unpleasant fact that prior to at least sixteenth century AD, no Western or Eastern---especiall y the latter, which includes Hindu astrologers --- could have made correct horoscopes, which means there could never have been correct predictions! Thus, all the claims by "Vedic astrologers" ---whether "Sayana-Vedic" or "Nirayana-Vedic" that their ancestors made correct predictions is nothing but a blatant lie! Or is it that all the "Vedic astrologers" want to prove that their ancestors also were charlatans, who could make corect predictions from wrong fundamental arguments?

 

GKG: Inspite of this , during the maned Apollo flight , the star could not guide the movement of Apollo Vehicle on account of displaced position of stars (calculated from all known siddantas including Surya siddhant and modern astronomy)

A thorough study was undertaken by a body of international Astro-scientists under the overall guidance of IAU.All constant were revised and the Sixth Fundamental Catalogue (FK6) was prepared.. This gives much accurate position of astral bodies in the sky.

 

AKK: That paragraph is really a master-piece and must serve as a warning to every astrologer for claiming to have made correct predictions in the past! It is evident that if because of a minor flaw in calculations, Apollo Vehicle could not land at the desired spot, how can astrologers, whether "Sayana-Vedic" or "nirayana-Vedic" peep into the uncharted terrains of a human being---his past deeds, his present activities and his future success or failures, with the help of limited knowledge at their disposal, especially since that limited knowledge itself is emanating from JPL/NASA and not the Vedas or Puranas!

GKG: All Siddhanta(S) are of immense value to understand the development of Astronomy

 

AKK: Actually the knowledge of sidhantic astronomy is of immense value to understand not the development but retardation of Hindu astronomy in the past, since all our efforts circumnavigated around the so called mythical ayanamsha of Surya Sidhanta by Maya the mlechha! And Lahiri Ayanamsha is one of the hundreds of resurrections of the imaginary Ayanamsha of that very sidhanta! So I wonder whether the Vedic Hinuds are really progressing or going "retrograde" ---thanks to "Vedic astrologers" and their "Vedic astrology"

GKG: but we have no alternative but to follow modern astronomy.

AKK: Exactly! And since astronomically, the Ayanamsha curse does not exist at all, the earlier we get rid of it the better, if we want to really gain some astronomical knowledge!

GKG: All abuses to each other do not have any meaning .

AKK: U are right! Instead of abusing one another, we must abuse those aliens who tried to make a slave of us by palming of wrong fundamental arguments on the shoulders of Surya Bhagwan!

GKG: We can not resign ourselves from truth.

AKK: Very correct! And the truth is that there are no Mesha, Vrisha etc. rashis either as per the Vedas or modern astronomy since the zodiac itself is an imaginary belt!

We must, therefore, go back to Madhu, Madhava etc. Vedic months and Udagayana etc. astronomical phenomena, instead of clinging to making "correct predictions from incorrect data". In other words, we must say "good bye" to predictive gimmicks in the interest of the doctrines of real Vamadevas and Parasharas!

With kind regards,

A K Kaul

 

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> Dear Friends,

> Since ancient Vedic days , there were 18 sages of outstanding merit , who tried to

> improve and the science of Astronomy. Aryabhatta and Varamihira tried to further enhance the level

> of accuracy in observation and ascertaining the position of planets and other astral bodies in the sky.

>

> The discovery of telescope had increased the accuracy in observational astronomy many fold.

> Now a days planets are observed and traced by nuclear telescopes with help of computers and sputniks

> all the 24 hours.

> A important breakthrough came in astronomy in the form of Kepler's three laws of planetary motion.

> Inspite of this , during the maned Apollo flight , the star could not guide the movement of Apollo Vehicle

> on account of displaced position of stars (calculated from all known siddantas including Surya siddhant

> and modern astronomy)

> A thorough study was undertaken by a body of international Astro-scientists under the overall guidance

> of IAU.All constant were revised and the Sixth Fundamental Catalogue (FK6) was prepared.. This gives much accurate position of astral bodies in the sky.

> All Siddhanta( S) are of immense value to understand the development of Astronomy , but we have no

> alternative but to follow modern astronomy.

> All abuses to each other do not have any meaning . We can not resign ourselves from truth.

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> Dear Kishore,

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> Avanti is the ancient name of Ujjain. Magadha means the Magadha desha or present day Bihar and Dvija means Brahmin.

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> Chandrashekhar.

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> Varahamihira

>

> Aryabhatta is said to have discovered the diurnal motion of the earth' which he thought to be spherical. I leave the explanation of these scientific matters to those who are making scientific investigations of Hindu Astronomy. But one thing is certain that it was about this time that the old Krttika series of asterisms was discarded and the new series commencing from the 1st point of Asvini was adopted. The first point of ASvini recedes one degree or by one day in 73 years and it has receded twenty days now giving a total of twenty into seventy-three (20 X 73) that is, 1460 years. The point was on the equinoctial circle on the first day of Vaisakha and now it is on the 10th of Ohaitra. So the point was seen there 1460 years ago, that is, 1921-1460 that is 461 A.D. This is only an approximate calculation. If accurate calculation is made it will fall within the active period of Aryabhata's life.

>

> Aryabhatta had many students and his next successor Lalla was one of his pupils and some say Varahamihira, too, was his pupil.

>

> Aryabhatta had another celebrated astronomer as his contemporary. This was Varahamihira. In his Vrhajja- taka in the 26th chapter, he says that he was son of Adityadasa, that he was an Avantaka, that he received his knowledge from his father and that he obtained a book from the Sun-God at Kampillaka or Kapitthaka. Bhattotpala tells us that he was a Migadha dvija. Some say that he was a Magadvija, i.e., one of the Magii long settled in India. From all this the late Pandit Sudhakara Dvivedi in his Ganakatarangiui infers that it is not impossible that Varaha was a Magadha Brahmin. He might have gone to Ujjain for livelihood He studied with his father at his own house in Magadha and also studied the works of Aryabhatta there, he travelled to make himself known, he worshipped Sun-God at Kampillaka (Kalpi) and obtained a book from him. I acquired a manuscript of his son's work Prthuyasah-Sastra at Samkhu the northernmost part of the Nepal valley, the

opening

> verse of which says that the son Varahamihira asked his father some questions while he was residing at the beautiful city of Kanyakubja on the Ganges.

>

> Varaha might have retired to Kanyakubja in his old age to be on the Ganges and there imparted his knowledge to his son Prthuyasah. Amaraja, the commentator of Khandanakhandakhady a says that Varahamihira died in the Saka year 509 that is 587 A.D. Some people think that Varaha wrote his Panca-Siddhantika in 505 A.D. that is Saka 4:27. But this is impossible if we are to believe Amaraja. Varaha would then be only 18. Therefore Dr Thibaut after carefully considering all the facts of the case thinks that 427 Saka was the date when Lalla revised the Romaka-Siddhanta and that the Panca-SiddhSnta was composed about 550 A.D. So Varahamihira was a later contemporary and perhaps a student of Aryabhata.

>

> The Ganakatarangiui has given a list of Varaha's works and thinks that the Vrhat-Saipbita is his last work. It is an Eucyclopoedic work. It treats not only of Astronomy and Astrology but of such subjects as gardening, agriculture, sculpture, strilak^ana, purusalakgana and so on. This great work is the Pafica-Sidhantta in which he gives a summary of all the Sidhantas current in his time. They are five in number Paulisa, Romaka. VaSi^tha, Paitamaha and Sur.yyasiddhaata. Varaha says that of these five PmiliSa and Roraaka have been explained by Latadeva.

>

> The Siddhanta made by PauliSa is accurate. Near to it stands the Siddhanta proclaimed by Romaka, more accurate is the Savitra (Saura) and the two remaining are far from the truth.

>

> Kern says that the third Skandha of Jyotisa "'namely, its Jataka section has been borrowed from the Yavanas or Greeks. This is a fact. The Yavana-Jataka of Yavan & caryya is still regarded as an authoritative work on the subject and there are other works like Miuaraja Jataka also taken from the Yavanas. I found in Nepal a manuscript of a Yavana-Jataka written in the character of the tenth century oa palm-leaf which contains the following statement at the end.

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mr. Harimalla ji,

 

Time and Again you and your friends have been posing questions to

knowledgeable astros and they have been patiently replying to you & your

gangs.

 

Let me pose some straight questions to you -

 

1) What are your credentials to talk or discuss about calendar reforms

??

 

2) Why should we waste our time with you when you are not even remotely

in control or influence the Calendar Reforms

 

3) What is your self interest in your continous tirade against astrology

or the calendar reforms you call it

 

4) Who are those people funding you or your mission ?? for you seem to

have all the time in the world to query

 

5) Why do you conveniently ignore to accept the straight answers ...even

when checkmated

 

6) Honestly, if you are so convinced by your calendar, tell me when you

do you celebrate your festivals or birth or death centenaries ??

 

7) Almost all known astrologers have rebutted your claims and check

mated you on various occasions, yet you are obsessed with your

calendar..... any person with normal five senses would have by now

stopped or be a changed person.... but you seem to defy that......

 

With regards,

 

Sreeram_Srinivas

[Guest guest]

Dear Harimallaji,

 

Firstly AKK is a gone case. In his this life he will remain the same as he always was - an adamant anti- astrology person, whose life's mission is to condemn astrology by hook or crook. Please do not try to bring him together with the persons, who believe in astrology. Please do not try these tricks as this is proving that you are a pro-AKK person, and nobody will trust your denials.

 

Secondly you said as follows:

 

Quote

 

Does it not occur to you why Barahmihir and others shifted the nirayan uttarayan from the sun in dhanistha to makar sankranti to set uttarayan right?

 

Unquote

 

Plerase do not interpret the ideas of Varahamihira and others wrongly just because you do not understand what they say. You are doing like just like AKK. Nobody can shift anything in the heavenly bodies. They will follow their rule we have to observe the realities and act accordingly. Please curb your imaginations. For example nobody can change the name of the rashis as they are groups of the padas of the Nakshatras. Probably you do not know that the Makar Rashi includes two padas of Dhanistha. So there was a time when the Utttarayana in Dhanistha and Makara rashi were synonymous. I have told you earlier but you did not understand that and that is why you are repeating your old views like AKK does. Vedanga Jyotisha and Suryasiddhanta never said about observing the Makar Sankranti as a festival. It is a Laukika festival started from the time the Uttarayana shifted from the Makar Rashi and crucial junction was the

Uttarayana in the junction of Makara and Dhanu Rashi. You cannot change anything. You are saying all the non-sense because you have not accepted how Rashis have been named. You should discuss with us about the Calendar reform only after you declare that you have accepted the definition of Rashi as the groups of the padas of the fixed nakshatras and that the names of the Tropical Rashis are just imitations. Tropical months are as good as the Tropical rashis and there is no valid basis for naming them mesha etc. My suggestion will be that since you too are unable to change your stance it is better that you do not disturb the peaceful working of the AIA group with your half-baked ideas lest the Moderators feel compelled to take some drastic action.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya