Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 Nice suggestion - the fee part is acceptable. But attending classes physically - now that is the difficult part, since we are a group on the net and may or may not be in the same city, and free at the same time. We can probably be in the same chat room on the net together for the interactions. I foresee a problem on the " being physically present in a class room together " bit. I have studied earth and goddess based religion and western astrology & divination for two years - i.e. astrology based on the placidus system, tarot, runes, scrying etc. from the US but it was net based. The faculty posted lessons on the net, and gave us assignments which we submitted via email. The interaction we had was in the chat rooms which was very enriching since there were students from Israel, Egypt, UK, States, Gulf, India etc. so we learnt a lot through our interactions as well. Cant this be implemented here ? lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> wrote: > > 1. Case material based course work ( I was the first one to suggest it > folks-no one has thanked me . Doesnt matter, I will pat my own > back. Please nobody kick me though) should be a sequel to course work > in the basic tenets of the LK system. For good measure throw in a > primer on basics of astrology. Work on the assumption that the guy/gal > sititng in the class is an abs ZERO in astrology. > > 2. We are dumping all this on Umesh ji. There are other people here > who are well versed in this subject - the degree of proficiency maybe > varying but proficient they are. Why is not anyone(besides KSB) > volunteering to lend a hand to Umesh. Consider he is an author and > practising astrologer so his time will be a constraint. I am calling > on my friend Laxmi and Prabhakar ji and Shukla ji specifically. > Khattar jee cant help out because of his location. > > 3. The course to be really succesful has to have an element of face to > face interaction between the faculty and the student body. Securing an > appropriate venue will entail costs, as will preparation of course > materials. > > 4. Finally this is touchy and controversial. We are talking of people > whose knowledge is priceless. The fact that they are willing to share > it, is in itself a big thing. To make this worthwhile for them on an > ongoing basis the course has to be commercially structured. This is > notwithstanding the fact all of these gentlemen are eminently > succesful in their professional lives. As all of us know Umesh bhai is > a sought after astrologer, Laxmi is a rising star in the > administration, Prabhakar ji an executive in the corporate sector and > Shukla ji an educator. However my submission is equity demands that > all those desirous of being a part of this course be willing to incur > the associated costs. > > I hope I dont ruffle any feathers because that is not my intent. > However a meaningful debate on this will certainly help in evolving a > long lasting LK related knowledge dissemination mechanism. > > Regards > > > R S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 I agree with Ritu's view point. To learn a subject in systematic manner, there should be a course with Guruji, as without guruji - no gyan, and then there should be guru-dakshina - All these are associated with each other without saying. M.R. GUPTA --- Ritu Lalit <ritulalit wrote: > > Nice suggestion - the fee part is acceptable. But > attending classes > physically - now that is the difficult part, since > we are a group on > the net and may or may not be in the same city, and > free at the same > time. We can probably be in the same chat room on > the net together > for the interactions. I foresee a problem on the > " being physically > present in a class room together " bit. I have > studied earth and > goddess based religion and western astrology & > divination for two > years - i.e. astrology based on the placidus system, > tarot, runes, > scrying etc. from the US but it was net based. The > faculty posted > lessons on the net, and gave us assignments which we > submitted via > email. The interaction we had was in the chat rooms > which was very > enriching since there were students from Israel, > Egypt, UK, States, > Gulf, India etc. so we learnt a lot through our > interactions as > well. Cant this be implemented here ? > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " > <rakeshsahgal> > wrote: > > > > 1. Case material based course work ( I was the > first one to suggest > it > > folks-no one has thanked me . Doesnt matter, I > will pat my own > > back. Please nobody kick me though) should be a > sequel to course > work > > in the basic tenets of the LK system. For good > measure throw in a > > primer on basics of astrology. Work on the > assumption that the > guy/gal > > sititng in the class is an abs ZERO in astrology. > > > > 2. We are dumping all this on Umesh ji. There are > other people here > > who are well versed in this subject - the degree > of proficiency > maybe > > varying but proficient they are. Why is not > anyone(besides KSB) > > volunteering to lend a hand to Umesh. Consider he > is an author and > > practising astrologer so his time will be a > constraint. I am calling > > on my friend Laxmi and Prabhakar ji and Shukla ji > specifically. > > Khattar jee cant help out because of his location. > > > > 3. The course to be really succesful has to have > an element of face > to > > face interaction between the faculty and the > student body. Securing > an > > appropriate venue will entail costs, as will > preparation of course > > materials. > > > > 4. Finally this is touchy and controversial. We > are talking of > people > > whose knowledge is priceless. The fact that they > are willing to > share > > it, is in itself a big thing. To make this > worthwhile for them on an > > ongoing basis the course has to be commercially > structured. This is > > notwithstanding the fact all of these gentlemen > are eminently > > succesful in their professional lives. As all of > us know Umesh bhai > is > > a sought after astrologer, Laxmi is a rising star > in the > > administration, Prabhakar ji an executive in the > corporate sector > and > > Shukla ji an educator. However my submission is > equity demands that > > all those desirous of being a part of this course > be willing to > incur > > the associated costs. > > > > I hope I dont ruffle any feathers because that is > not my intent. > > However a meaningful debate on this will certainly > help in evolving > a > > long lasting LK related knowledge dissemination > mechanism. > > > > Regards > > > > > > R S > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 Yeah should be. We all use the msngr. At the designated time all can log on and go into conference mode. So the objective of congregating at the same place and time is also achieved with the attendant saving in costs. Regards R S lalkitab , " Ritu Lalit " <ritulalit@h...> wrote: > > Nice suggestion - the fee part is acceptable. But attending classes > physically - now that is the difficult part, since we are a group on > the net and may or may not be in the same city, and free at the same > time. We can probably be in the same chat room on the net together > for the interactions. I foresee a problem on the " being physically > present in a class room together " bit. I have studied earth and > goddess based religion and western astrology & divination for two > years - i.e. astrology based on the placidus system, tarot, runes, > scrying etc. from the US but it was net based. The faculty posted > lessons on the net, and gave us assignments which we submitted via > email. The interaction we had was in the chat rooms which was very > enriching since there were students from Israel, Egypt, UK, States, > Gulf, India etc. so we learnt a lot through our interactions as > well. Cant this be implemented here ? > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> > wrote: > > > > 1. Case material based course work ( I was the first one to suggest > it > > folks-no one has thanked me . Doesnt matter, I will pat my own > > back. Please nobody kick me though) should be a sequel to course > work > > in the basic tenets of the LK system. For good measure throw in a > > primer on basics of astrology. Work on the assumption that the > guy/gal > > sititng in the class is an abs ZERO in astrology. > > > > 2. We are dumping all this on Umesh ji. There are other people here > > who are well versed in this subject - the degree of proficiency > maybe > > varying but proficient they are. Why is not anyone(besides KSB) > > volunteering to lend a hand to Umesh. Consider he is an author and > > practising astrologer so his time will be a constraint. I am calling > > on my friend Laxmi and Prabhakar ji and Shukla ji specifically. > > Khattar jee cant help out because of his location. > > > > 3. The course to be really succesful has to have an element of face > to > > face interaction between the faculty and the student body. Securing > an > > appropriate venue will entail costs, as will preparation of course > > materials. > > > > 4. Finally this is touchy and controversial. We are talking of > people > > whose knowledge is priceless. The fact that they are willing to > share > > it, is in itself a big thing. To make this worthwhile for them on an > > ongoing basis the course has to be commercially structured. This is > > notwithstanding the fact all of these gentlemen are eminently > > succesful in their professional lives. As all of us know Umesh bhai > is > > a sought after astrologer, Laxmi is a rising star in the > > administration, Prabhakar ji an executive in the corporate sector > and > > Shukla ji an educator. However my submission is equity demands that > > all those desirous of being a part of this course be willing to > incur > > the associated costs. > > > > I hope I dont ruffle any feathers because that is not my intent. > > However a meaningful debate on this will certainly help in evolving > a > > long lasting LK related knowledge dissemination mechanism. > > > > Regards > > > > > > R S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2004 Report Share Posted October 8, 2004 resp sh rakesh ji; very good suggestion that most of course be online but pesonal contact programs on strict schedule can only help if possible for those living in reachable distances. guru- shishya contact me shishya ki total knowledge ek minute me parkhi jaati hai and guru can point the lacunae . well any way what the majority wants shall be acceptable. off course fee structure is must . ok u get a pat on back.thank you dr gopal sharma lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> wrote: > > Yeah should be. We all use the msngr. At the designated time all > can log on and go into conference mode. So the objective of > congregating at the same place and time is also achieved with the > attendant saving in costs. > > Regards > > > R S > > > lalkitab , " Ritu Lalit " <ritulalit@h...> wrote: > > > > Nice suggestion - the fee part is acceptable. But attending > classes > > physically - now that is the difficult part, since we are a group > on > > the net and may or may not be in the same city, and free at the > same > > time. We can probably be in the same chat room on the net together > > for the interactions. I foresee a problem on the " being physically > > present in a class room together " bit. I have studied earth and > > goddess based religion and western astrology & divination for two > > years - i.e. astrology based on the placidus system, tarot, runes, > > scrying etc. from the US but it was net based. The faculty posted > > lessons on the net, and gave us assignments which we submitted via > > email. The interaction we had was in the chat rooms which was very > > enriching since there were students from Israel, Egypt, UK, States, > > Gulf, India etc. so we learnt a lot through our interactions as > > well. Cant this be implemented here ? > > > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " <rakeshsahgal> > > wrote: > > > > > > 1. Case material based course work ( I was the first one to > suggest > > it > > > folks-no one has thanked me . Doesnt matter, I will pat my own > > > back. Please nobody kick me though) should be a sequel to course > > work > > > in the basic tenets of the LK system. For good measure throw in a > > > primer on basics of astrology. Work on the assumption that the > > guy/gal > > > sititng in the class is an abs ZERO in astrology. > > > > > > 2. We are dumping all this on Umesh ji. There are other people > here > > > who are well versed in this subject - the degree of proficiency > > maybe > > > varying but proficient they are. Why is not anyone(besides KSB) > > > volunteering to lend a hand to Umesh. Consider he is an author and > > > practising astrologer so his time will be a constraint. I am > calling > > > on my friend Laxmi and Prabhakar ji and Shukla ji specifically. > > > Khattar jee cant help out because of his location. > > > > > > 3. The course to be really succesful has to have an element of > face > > to > > > face interaction between the faculty and the student body. > Securing > > an > > > appropriate venue will entail costs, as will preparation of course > > > materials. > > > > > > 4. Finally this is touchy and controversial. We are talking of > > people > > > whose knowledge is priceless. The fact that they are willing to > > share > > > it, is in itself a big thing. To make this worthwhile for them on > an > > > ongoing basis the course has to be commercially structured. This > is > > > notwithstanding the fact all of these gentlemen are eminently > > > succesful in their professional lives. As all of us know Umesh > bhai > > is > > > a sought after astrologer, Laxmi is a rising star in the > > > administration, Prabhakar ji an executive in the corporate sector > > and > > > Shukla ji an educator. However my submission is equity demands > that > > > all those desirous of being a part of this course be willing to > > incur > > > the associated costs. > > > > > > I hope I dont ruffle any feathers because that is not my intent. > > > However a meaningful debate on this will certainly help in > evolving > > a > > > long lasting LK related knowledge dissemination mechanism. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > R S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2004 Report Share Posted October 9, 2004 Dear friends, I think for designing and planning any course, its curriculum and number of contact hours are required to be finalised. Then depending on whether course is a short period course - may be 7 to 15 days or a long period course - one to 6 months etc., the modality of conducting the same could be thought of, e.g. for short period - one may adjust him(her)self to attend it anywhere in India. Yet we do not know we all belong to which places. But I am very much interest in the course. M.R. GUPTA --- gopshaz <gopshaz wrote: > > resp sh rakesh ji; > very good suggestion that most of > course be online > but pesonal contact programs on strict > schedule can only help > if possible for those living in reachable > distances. > guru- shishya contact me shishya ki total > knowledge > ek minute me parkhi jaati hai and guru can > point the > lacunae . > well any way what the majority wants shall > be acceptable. > off course fee structure is must . > ok u get a pat on back.thank you > dr gopal sharma > > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " > <rakeshsahgal> > wrote: > > > > Yeah should be. We all use the msngr. At the > designated time > all > > can log on and go into conference mode. So the > objective of > > congregating at the same place and time is also > achieved with the > > attendant saving in costs. > > > > Regards > > > > > > R S > > > > > > lalkitab , " Ritu Lalit " > <ritulalit@h...> > wrote: > > > > > > Nice suggestion - the fee part is acceptable. > But attending > > classes > > > physically - now that is the difficult part, > since we are a group > > on > > > the net and may or may not be in the same city, > and free at the > > same > > > time. We can probably be in the same chat room > on the net > together > > > for the interactions. I foresee a problem on > the " being > physically > > > present in a class room together " bit. I have > studied earth and > > > goddess based religion and western astrology & > divination for two > > > years - i.e. astrology based on the placidus > system, tarot, > runes, > > > scrying etc. from the US but it was net based. > The faculty > posted > > > lessons on the net, and gave us assignments > which we submitted > via > > > email. The interaction we had was in the chat > rooms which was > very > > > enriching since there were students from Israel, > Egypt, UK, > States, > > > Gulf, India etc. so we learnt a lot through our > interactions as > > > well. Cant this be implemented here ? > > > > > > > > > lalkitab , " rakeshsahgal " > <rakeshsahgal> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > 1. Case material based course work ( I was the > first one to > > suggest > > > it > > > > folks-no one has thanked me . Doesnt > matter, I will pat my > own > > > > back. Please nobody kick me though) should be > a sequel to > course > > > work > > > > in the basic tenets of the LK system. For > good measure throw > in a > > > > primer on basics of astrology. Work on the > assumption that the > > > guy/gal > > > > sititng in the class is an abs ZERO in > astrology. > > > > > > > > 2. We are dumping all this on Umesh ji. There > are other people > > here > > > > who are well versed in this subject - the > degree of proficiency > > > maybe > > > > varying but proficient they are. Why is not > anyone(besides KSB) > > > > volunteering to lend a hand to Umesh. Consider > he is an author > and > > > > practising astrologer so his time will be a > constraint. I am > > calling > > > > on my friend Laxmi and Prabhakar ji and Shukla > ji specifically. > > > > Khattar jee cant help out because of his > location. > > > > > > > > 3. The course to be really succesful has to > have an element of > > face > > > to > > > > face interaction between the faculty and the > student body. > > Securing > > > an > > > > appropriate venue will entail costs, as will > preparation of > course > > > > materials. > > > > > > > > 4. Finally this is touchy and controversial. > We are talking of > > > people > > > > whose knowledge is priceless. The fact that > they are willing to > > > share > > > > it, is in itself a big thing. To make this > worthwhile for them > on > > an > > > > ongoing basis the course has to be > commercially structured. This > > is > > > > notwithstanding the fact all of these > gentlemen are eminently > > > > succesful in their professional lives. As all > of us know Umesh > > bhai > > > is > > > > a sought after astrologer, Laxmi is a rising > star in the > > > > administration, Prabhakar ji an executive in > the corporate > sector > > > and > > > > Shukla ji an educator. However my submission > is equity demands > > that > > > > all those desirous of being a part of this > course be willing to > > > incur > > > > the associated costs. > > > > > > > > I hope I dont ruffle any feathers because that > is not my intent. > > > > However a meaningful debate on this will > certainly help in > > evolving > > > a > > > > long lasting LK related knowledge > dissemination mechanism. > > > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > > > > > > > R S > > > > _______________________________ Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 Some Ramblings Last Updated on Friday, 01 May 2009 09:34 Written by Vinita, Sreenadh OG Friday, 01 May 2009 09:32(Source: AIA Website: Some Ramblings )[Participants: Vinita, Sreenadh OG] [Editor: Sreenadh OG] Admin Note: Any editor preparing such write-ups based on AIA Group conversations are requested to follow the below guidelines. The participants and editors name should be mentioned at the top of the documentThe article should be presented in a conversation form itself, with participant name mentioned and his words below intendedEditor should take care to ensure the continuity of the subject matter discussed by slipping in his own comments between conversations, but should take care to put his comments always within square brackets. The editor has the full freedom to edit/remove any part of the conversation to ensure continuity and readability of the articles, but adding extra statements outside the editor brackets or within the conversation as if statements made by participants (when they didn't) should be avoided. Always give the original thread URL as a reference, in the beginning of the document. [Thread: /message/422] [This is a conversation record write-up prepared based on a thread happened in AIA . Please note that, many points from the original discussion might have been omitted here to make this readable] Vinita: Yesterday I went through the files section, basically your articles - to understand some to the things that we are talking of here. The 0 point in Chandrahari Ayanamsa, the BT rectification etc. My first thought was - Christ, what am I doing on a forum like this? This is meant for knowledgeable people - people who know astrology and Ganita (mathematics). Though you have been extremely encouraging and patient with at times inane questions from my side - the best thing for a person like me would be to remain shut. The thought also crossed my mind that I could be suffering from indigestion - the rumblings that go on with undigested food in the stomach. But as a novice in this area let me still give you some feedback, for whatever that is worth. First let me thank u for clarifying that astrology is basically Kala Tantra, a study of time. What I like particularly is what u said about understanding the rhythm of time. It almost sounded like the Ayurvedic doctor putting the finger on the pulse. So when you can understand the pulse of time you can understand so many things. There can be different techniques for catching the pulse as there are different systems in astrology, but the essence remains the same. Then you said that in order to understand time you study motions, motions of planets. That is even more interesting - Motions in relation to a stationary zodiac, motions of the planets, motions of the earth. The whole talk of the 0 point is a search of where the sidereal coincided with the tropical while the earth "wobbled" on its axis. (Why the lagna jumps 180 degrees at the poles may once again have something to do with the motion of the earth?) But the most interesting thing perhaps is whether the study of the macro could be combined with the micro. (Again back to relativity and quantum mechanics?). I am really looking forward to your exposition of the Prasnamarga - the present moment, and how truth can be derived from there. And finally, whether there is anything that can bend time to one's own wishes, by bending to the divine wish - where motions stop and time has no meaning? Thank you, once again for putting so many delectable things on the plate. Though the appetite is always there to gobble up food what I should mind is the poor stomach, which is only a small pouch of extremely limited capacity. Sreenadh: It was beautiful - Thank you. You have collected many important points and presented them in a single mail. Quote First let me thank u for clarifying that astrology is basically Kala Tantra, a study of time. Unquote Yes, It is one of the most important points. Quote What I like particularly is what you said about understanding the rhythm of time. It almost sounded like the Ayurvedic doctor putting the finger on the pulse. So when you can understand the pulse of time you can understand so many things. There can be different techniques for catching the pulse as there are different systems in astrology, but the essence remains the same. Unquote You have put it beautifully. Yes, there can be different techniques for catching the pulse, as there are different systems in astrology. That is why Tropical and Sidereal predictive astrology existed even from time of Vedic period simultaneously, and gave true results. That is why if we take any point in the ecliptic and make a predictive system after proper study it can give good results for a short span (many 25-50 years) but not long. (Why ecliptic alone, even the path of moon could a reference for creating a temporary predictive system) That is why for giving exact results for long a fixed frame of reference, and a mathematical abstraction of the fluctuations, becomes important - and so the Sidereal Zodiac with Meshadi as Zero point. Yes, in all these situations the essence remains the same - study of the pulse of time. Quote Then you said that in order to understand time you study motions, motions of planets. That is even more interesting - Motions in relation to a stationary zodiac, motions of the planets, motions of the earth. The whole talk of the 0 point is a search of where the sidereal coincided with the tropical while the earth "wobbled" on its axis. Unquote Absolutely right - Motions should be judged against a fixed framework - like the coordinates plotted on a graph. Quote (Why the lagna jumps 180 degrees at the poles may once again have something to do with the motion of the earth?) Unquote Exactly right - and that is why that question is very important. Does it tell us that the current calculation system given in JHora (for Lagna calculation for polar regions) is not in line with the fundamental concept of Rishis? If Lagna is supposed to give the "the relative angle of rotation of earth with reference to the Zero point with in 360 deg", then how can it jump? It shouldn't! What does that mean? Are we wrongly taking opposite point in such situations, because the fundamentals are still undigested? Can't you see how even the big questions automatically gets answered when we are ready to stick to the fundamentals? I think the answer hides here – why lagna jumps and why it shouldn't. Please follow the Link provided by Vijayadas ji some days before - and see how the wrong consideration of house system as different from Rasis could lead to more erroneous concepts - such as non existence of some houses in horoscope etc. Please remember that in 360 deg all signs and all houses do exist. If it were a continuous 360 deg rotation of a single point, everything would be ok. If somebody is changing the reference points - it should be a wrong calculation, which is a violation of the fundamentals. Rishis defined Lagna as "The point of ecliptic that rises in the east". So the question of vernamalga ji "What is this East after all?" That is the right question and he is pointing in the right direction.. Quote But the most interesting thing perhaps is whether the study of the macro could be combined with the micro. (again back to relativity and quantum mechanics?). Unquote You spotted it rightly. This is the thread of thought that leads us towards the extreme concepts of science - let it be Relativity, Quantum mechanics, Storage mechanism of human memory, Biological clocks and circadian rhythm or the like. It is also the thread that leads us towards Philosophical concepts regarding the different thinking methods (Scientific and holistic), Subjective and Objective study methods, study of mind (which like a broken glass) that could only see things through classification and the like. Quote And finally, whether there is anything that can bend time to one's own wishes, by bending to the divine wish - where motions stop and time has no meaning? Unquote Yes, as you rightly spotted - it is one of the extreme areas. Why meditation? What is it? Could there exist a space-time continuum with in brain? Is there some unknown link between the inner and the outer world - inner having the power to modify the outer directly?! Where motions stop, and time has no meaning - Is that a scientific concept (as in relativity) or subjective experience (as in meditation)? Where does all this subjective and objective merge? Where does this scientific and holistic merge? Where do all these fragments merge into one - integrating everything! Where is that ONENESS? Are we going to study (!) it also through classification?! Yes, you are to the path of spirituality. Dear vinita ji, save this mail (this question and this answer) separately. This is something special of you. No more answers for some time……… Because I don't have any…………….. But meditate on this for some time…… You will see the light inside....……….. Is that Siva or is that ONE………? Is that whirl or storm inside……..? Is that rhythm or pulsing breath…? Jyotish makes us mad or divine……? Mass destruction sure ensured….! Beware that you have to build…..! Dare to say - you astro fools……. But dare not say – you astro fools…! Things can shine when light comes by…. Inner light of true sun shine……………... Hope and wait for Siva to rise…………. Destroy all for new buildings………...! But all buildings are with out life…... Only souls can view sunlight……….!! Idols are fore mere worship………….. Inner divinity worth pursuit………...! P.S. Life is not mechanical, so as true astrology. Astrological constructs are mechanical. So it is worthless with out a true astrologer. Astrology has two purposes they say – worldly and spiritual. Which one you choose? How many things you would destroy! Why you always want to deny things and stand away from the crowd! - 0 - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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