Test of tropical versus sidere al zodiac

May 16, 2009

Dear Chakrabortyji,

Yes. No doubt that both are correct but the scopes are not entirely the same.

The Tropical Zodiac considers the Solar system and the Sidereal Zodiac considers

the Universal system including the Solar system. Hence corrections are made for

the precession of the Earth to relate the Tropical Zodiac to the Sideraeal

Zodiac or if you want to say the Sidereal Zodiac to the Tropical Zodiac. In

other words the reoriented Tropical Zodiac is very much a part of the Sidereal

Zodiac. The narrow looking followers of the Tropical Zodiac do not have the

larger total picture of the Sidereal Zodiac.

Regards,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Sat, 5/16/09, CHAKRABORTYP2 <CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:

CHAKRABORTYP2 <CHAKRABORTYP2

] Re: Test of tropical versus sidere al

zodiac

Saturday, May 16, 2009, 12:58 AM

Dear Boaz and other friends,

I have seen the debate about sidereal and tropical astrology crops up from

time to time.

The debate generally revolves about different stance taken by the followers.

These are generally :

Sidereal is correct vs Tropical is correct.

Sidereal is more accurate vs Tropical is more accurate.

To decide in favor of any side (sidereal or tropical), the judge must be

supremely knowledgeable and skilled in both the sidereal and tropical

astrology. Alas, it is difficult to find such Judges who would really

bother

to spend his precious time on this topic.

Let us accept that both system follows the planetary movement and draws

inference from that. The frame of reference is different. It is like having

two

different observatories. .. both are seeing from their own vantage point and

arriving at some conclusions.

I have noticed that both Sidereal and Tropical Astrologers give stunning

predictions. .. both systems have large following... SO how can be any one

of them be wrong ? And any verification of any system would need some

thousands of charts .... few hundreds of charts will not be enough.

regards

Chakraborty

zaobnali [zaob16 (AT) gmail (DOT) com]

Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:19 AM

ancient_indian_ astrology

[ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Test of tropical versus sidereal

zodiac

Hello,

I think it is important to understand conceptually what the rasis mean. The

rasis, for example, have certain qualities, mobile, fixed and mutable, as

well as the four elements. These qualities 3x4 = 12 rasis. The Sun sets

these qualities in motion and the tropical zodiac is Sun based. The moveable

signs Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn coincide with the solstices and

equinoxes. In addition it turns out that the ancient scripts actually seem

to suggest that the rishis used the tropical zodiac (see Ernst's article on

Ayanamsha). It may be that the sidereal zodiac will eventually be proven

correct but we can not ignore the tropical zodiac and the reasoning behind,

which is why such studies are important.

Thanks

Boaz

ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

astrology@grou ps.com, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a

wrote:

>

> Dear All,

>

> The positions of all the nine grahas in the Tropical Zodiac are

ayanamsha-corrected in the Sidereal Zodiac. So this means the a reoriented

Tropical Ziodiac fits in the Sidereal Zodiac and the interaction between the

grahas based on the angles relative to each other are the same in both the

Zodiacs. On top of it the Sidereal Zodiac takes into account the additional

effects of the Nakshatras. So in my opinion the Sidereal predictions are

bound to be more precise.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunl K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Fri, 5/15/09, zaobnali <zaob16 wrote:

>

> zaobnali <zaob16

> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Test of tropical versus sidereal

zodiac

> ancient_indian_ <ancient_ indian_astrology %40. com>

astrology@grou ps.com

> Friday, May 15, 2009, 4:27 AM

>

Dear All,

>

> Glad to join this forum.

>

> Vedic astrologer Ersnt Wilhelm is conducting a statistical query to

determine which of the zodiacs - tropical or sidereal - works better. Those

of you who are interested and have an accurate time of birth are encouraged

to fill out the test. Ernst reports that test 2 is showing some quite

rewarding results. So far more than 378 people have taken the test and

results are consistently aligning with the same calculations on all three

questions, which is quite exciting. Hopefully a few hundred more people will

take the test over the weekend and then he can reveal the results to you

all.

>

> http://www.isjyotis <http://www.isjyotis> h.com/

>

> Thanks,

> Boaz

>

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May 18, 2009

Dear Boaz,

By any chance, are you a member of VPM forum..under the name of Hsitoyj ?

Anyway, let me convey my feelings about the subject of use of tropical zodiac

and sidereal rules for astrology.

When you sincerely believe in any new system ... it is necessary that you

become fully aware about it - before you propagate it. And when you discuss

a very fundamental change .... it is very critical that that you are aware of

all the implications and pitfalls of the changes. And the advantages and

accuaracy of new proposed changes

We all get these new found theories floating in internet - which are basically

floatsam...driftwoods... basically half-baked ideas only. These ideas are not

in usable form yet.

As this forum is titled as "Ancient_Indian_Astrology" and it's theme is clearly

defined..... it is very clear that unless backed by strong fundamentals and logic

with strong database, the idea of use of tropical zodiac will not be accepted here.

'Hope you get the point.

regards

P L Chakraborty

zaobnali [zaob16]Saturday, May 16, 2009 10:19 AM Subject: Re: Test of tropical versus sidereal zodiac

Hello, I think it is important to understand conceptually what the rasis mean. The rasis, for example, have certain qualities, mobile, fixed and mutable, as well as the four elements. These qualities 3x4 = 12 rasis. The Sun sets these qualities in motion and the tropical zodiac is Sun based. The moveable signs Aries, Cancer, Libra and Capricorn coincide with the solstices and equinoxes. In addition it turns out that the ancient scripts actually seem to suggest that the rishis used the tropical zodiac (see Ernst's article on Ayanamsha). It may be that the sidereal zodiac will eventually be proven correct but we can not ignore the tropical zodiac and the reasoning behind, which is why such studies are important. ThanksBoaz , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:>> Dear All,> > The positions of all the nine grahas in the Tropical Zodiac are ayanamsha-corrected in the Sidereal Zodiac. So this means the a reoriented Tropical Ziodiac fits in the Sidereal Zodiac and the interaction between the grahas based on the angles relative to each other are the same in both the Zodiacs. On top of it the Sidereal Zodiac takes into account the additional effects of the Nakshatras. So in my opinion the Sidereal predictions are bound to be more precise.> > Regards,> > Sunl K. Bhattacharjya> > --- On Fri, 5/15/09, zaobnali <zaob16 wrote:> > > zaobnali <zaob16> Test of tropical versus sidereal zodiac> > Friday, May 15, 2009, 4:27 AM> > > > > > > > > Dear All, > > Glad to join this forum.> > Vedic astrologer Ersnt Wilhelm is conducting a statistical query to determine which of the zodiacs - tropical or sidereal - works better. Those of you who are interested and have an accurate time of birth are encouraged to fill out the test. Ernst reports that test 2 is showing some quite rewarding results. So far more than 378 people have taken the test and results are consistently aligning with the same calculations on all three questions, which is quite exciting. Hopefully a few hundred more people will take the test over the weekend and then he can reveal the results to you all. > > http://www.isjyotis h.com/> > Thanks,> Boaz>This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. The information contained in this electronic message and any attachments to this message are intended for the exclusive use of the addressee(s) and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately and destroy all copies of this message and any attachments.