Test of tropical versus side r e al zodiac

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dear chakraborty ji sure ,i can understand ur feeling we welcome any sincere approach and even allows every one to say what he wanted to say ,we never also banned or choked any voice because he was using a diffrnt methodology .U can see various approaches like KP ,KAS ,Lalkitab etc was discussed in grp so long as the party is sincere .even we r not against western astrologers ,even i posted many subjucts even which i dont personaly vouch for it but for grp to discuss .But when some one strts mixing systems or cook up new theories then we cannot forgiv them unless they hav a strong evidence against it .being an astrologer myself i know my strnght and weakness ,when sani was going tru my 8th H ( still it is there ) i take max care while predicting for charts ,even i discussed this problem with sreenadh ji ,sreenivasji and neelamji .Then when a real force comes only i try to delv into any open predictions .Even individual face to face predictions i ask them details well in advance and does study max b4 i ventrue into any predictions because i am afraid of this transits ( sure there is other pointers too ) ,so without understanding all this if i ventrue into every predictions and if it back fires ,like all workers then i can blame the tools only and i can strt saying it is astrological tools are wrong and i am always correct ,it depends on individual perceptions and how they approach a subjuct .But being invested with some duties to guide the discussions i hav to say what is reality and i need to call a spade a spade .I cannot b victim of false modesty also one need s courage. to shed false notions and to shed mindset one needs courageAlso Real knowledge comes when one surrenders to the Gurus,rishies and acharyas and remains anchored to the right knowledgeThanks and respects all ur suggestions and sorry of the inconvenience happened to u rgrds sunil nair , CHAKRABORTYP2 wrote:>> Dear Sunil-ji,> > When someone does not go thru my mails and replies..I do feel bad.> And I do express that - because it a friendly forum.> > My frequent internet searches has led me to many areas...and hence > I am aware of the topic (usage of sidereal principle in Tropical astrology)> since 1 to 1.5 yrs.> > My take on this subject is simple.... like any engg standards, one has > to follow a single standard and methodology. One can not jump from > one system to another at his / her wish.> > However, if someone wants to experiment - he is free to do so. And if > he comes out with something worthwhile, we all will look in to that-> Provided> the test sample is very large (minm 10,000) and stands the basic > tests ( the basic assumptions are logical, methodology is clear-cut > and sample base is really random). A sample of 378 is not enough, > especially when the basic assumptions are not clearly defended.> > Let us not take this topic further. We have a saying -> > "Ulu-vane Mukto chhorano" - Strewing pearls in grass /waste lands.> > Let the learned persons not waste their time in arguing against likes > of AKK, VJ, Hari Malla and likes. This is my sincere request.> > regards> > Chakraborty> > > > > sunil nair [astro_tellerkerala]> Saturday, May 16, 2009 3:41 PM> > Re: Test of tropical versus side re al> zodiac> > > > > > > dear chakraborty ji > > Ok ,sorry ,then i miss read ur post > > I was fully aware of this reserch what shri Boazji says ,since one month> i think if my memory is correct .> > But i answered also their claims called experimnts tru our grp itself ( even> it was discussed between me and sreenadh ji b4 2 weeks i think tru personal> mails ) and posted one chart also for verifying for grp memebrs ,other than> claims of 378 successful predictions no reserch paper also provided to> verify it > > also all availble hora texts deal with siderial zodiac and degrees and> pointers in it ,so if some one misread it or trying to propogate some wrong> theories we cannot sit silently practising modesty and we shud able to say> what is correct and what is not correct with our knowledge and exprnce> other wise what is the use of a life time practising astrology and then even> the mission of this grp is re constructing lost principles as we know it is> working marvellously still without any failure .Astrologers individualy> failing or successful has nothing to do with the zodiac s i blv .> > Even if some one feels it is wrong approach then what stopped him to consult> some masters in this field and discuss it b4 launching a reserch and> trumpeting to the world b4 arriving at any results .So this so called> reserch itself is doubtful > > u r free to express ur feeling and if u prefer to not to commnt again i> respect ur discision > > rgrds sunil nair .> > > > > > > , CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil-ji,> > > > I was referring to similar debates in internet that crops up from time> > to time. I did write that in the 1st sentence of my mail. I never said> that> > I am referring to this particular exchange only> > > > I am also aware of such attempts (applying sidereal principle in Tropical> > charts) that has been tried by few astrologers (mainly Westerners).> > > > I don't think that I have misread the topics /discussions so far. My point> > was> > aimed at Mr. Boaz who suggested that the attempt is giving good results in> > some 378 cases. > > > > Anyway, I would not want to comment on this topic any further. > > > > regards> > > > > > [Chakraborty, PL] > > > > > > sunil nair [astro_tellerkerala@]> > Saturday, May 16, 2009 1:58 PM> > > > ] Re: Test of tropical versus sidere> al> > zodiac> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear chakraborty ji > > > > I think u miss read the whole topic > > > > here there is no question of western astrology or vedic astrology which is> > correct where as what is happening is some one who says he is vedic> > astrologer and wanted to adopt tropical zodiac for applying vedic> astrology> > principles and he dont hav any valid textual ,sastraic or own exprnce> > support to claim such arguemnt other than some misunderstanding of texts > > > > so i was pointing out the flaws in this approach > > > > Hope u got the point > > > > rgrds sunil nair > > > > > > > > > > , CHAKRABORTYP2@ wrote:> > >> > > Dear Boaz and other friends,> > > > > > I have seen the debate about sidereal and tropical astrology crops up> from> > > time to time.> > > > > > The debate generally revolves about different stance taken by the> > followers.> > > These are generally :> > > > > > Sidereal is correct vs Tropical is correct. > > > Sidereal is more accurate vs Tropical is more accurate.> > > > > > To decide in favor of any side (sidereal or tropical), the judge must be> > > > supremely knowledgeable and skilled in both the sidereal and tropical> > > astrology. Alas, it is difficult to find such Judges who would really> > > bother> > > to spend his precious time on this topic.> > > > > > Let us accept that both system follows the planetary movement and draws> > > inference from that. The frame of reference is different. It is like> > having> > > two> > > different observatories... both are seeing from their own vantage point> > and> > > arriving at some conclusions. > > > > > > I have noticed that both Sidereal and Tropical Astrologers give stunning> > > > predictions... both systems have large following... SO how can be any> one> > > of them be wrong ? And any verification of any system would need some > > > thousands of charts .... few hundreds of charts will not be enough.> > > > > > regards> > > > > > Chakraborty> > > > > > > >> > > > > This Message was sent from Indian Oil Messaging Gateway, New Delhi, India. 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