Fw: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

May 22, 2009

--- On Fri, 5/22/09, nanku_singh6816 <nanku_singh6816 wrote:nanku_singh6816 <nanku_singh6816[vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jhavedic astrology Date: Friday, May 22, 2009, 5:59 PM

VJ and PGB(Moderator JR) both are crap

Sunil Bhatacharjya has already proved his calculation as totally wrong of 60 yrs weather forecast, when Sunil Bhattacharjya claimed about that, he recollected his mistake that time

His software is crap and God knows what type of ayanamsha he is talking about, he is stick to that calculation which can not locate Surya position

he is talking about that calculation which everybody knows are absurd and all persons have left that calculation as there is no reality and now all ppl use data provided by NASA and all ppl also use data provided by observatories

Now can we trust on his any calculation? He only shouts with high pitch just to show ppl that he is correct

He talks of Kali-Yuga and absurd calculation of lacks of years which are totally absurd everybody knows in this scientific world but God knows why he thinks that his absurd calculations are correct

Our Sunil Bhattacharjya asked him how many verses are in Suryasidhanta he was not able to answer

Can moderator of this group BAN him from here or he will spare this group from absurd calculations

Love and Regards

Nanku Bhaskar

vedic astrology, jayasreedaran nair <jayan_chorote@ ...> wrote:

>

> Can you guys please give the other members of the forum a break? I wonder how people have so much time to indulge in such crap of mudslinging. ..

> Those of you who boast of qualifications and certified credentials do not seem to have the basic thing known as civic sense. Why cant you guys

> fix a time and venue for a hand to hand fight and leave others alone?

>

> Sorry I had to tell this seeing the way such stupid discussions are perpetuating in this form.

>

> J Nair

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> vedic astrology

> Thursday, 21 May, 2009 10:31:54 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

>

> I do not know who this "serenity forever" is, and I am not interested in learning whether "serenity forever" is he, she or it. If anyone keeps a fake ID, I cannot know it, and my remarks like "he, she or it" do not amount to abusing.

>

> "Serenity forever" wanted me to predict marriage of Jignesh, I have never done such a job and will never do it ; it is against my principles. I took an oath before my late Guru ji that all women in the world, including infants, are my mothers, and it is sinful to help in marriage of one's mother. I do not visit marriages. "Serenity forever" is feigning to forget that I requested not to force a sanyaasi go against his principles. There are many astrologers, Jignesh/Neha/ Serenity could approach them.

>

> But these "sane" persons are now calling me names ("moron" , "nervous wreck" , "how sane is it if he goes around accues innocent passer-by"). In spite of my refusal to predict marriage, these persons were teasing me, and are now feigning to be "innocent passer-by".

>

> When I refused to predict his marriage, Mr Jignesh accused me : "it seems that he is only to propogate his software and nothing else". My free software seems business to Mr Jignesh.

>

> Neha Shah (shahnehainc) called me "moron, nervous wreck". Then, I became curious why these people are harassing me. I am not their family astrologer or a servant to obey their commands. "Serenity forever" poked his/her/its nose between by calling me to predict marriages against my principles. And calls me an abuser if I fail to understand whether "Serenity forever" is a nickname for Jignesh or Neha who are abusing me because they could not force a sanyaasi to predict marriages !! Keeping fake ID for creating confusion and taking sides with abusers is not an innocent. "Serenity forever" is certainly not an "innocent passer-by" and has taken up the issue of Jignesh and Neha. The manner in which this fake ID intruded on behalf of Jignesh and Neha convinces me that it is a fake ID of Neha. They want to abuse me and are inventing causes for abusing me. Some people with special yogas imagine monks must be treated like servants.

>

> -VJ

> ============ ===== ====

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> serenity forever <serenity_forever4@ >

> vedic astrology

> Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:52:16 PM

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

>

> Hello Sir,

>

> Though this email doesnt concern me, just would like to throw my few cents on what you are saying below. You can accept it or not but please dont get highly frustrated and throw abuses and allege wrong people like Mr.Jha.

>

> I am sure he is a really learned person, if you say so, there's no doubt about it. Its good you support him, but how sane is it if he goes around accues innocent passer-by's who just offered a suggestion, accusing them of abusing them and further abusing them calling them 'it' and 'hermaphrodite' ??? Knowledge should give one humbleness. But if it gives arrogance and frustration, I am not sure about the quality of knowledge anymore.

>

> I m guessing he should be in his 50s or 60s, alteast age wise he should act mature and try understand people instead of abusing them in the name of truth. Why does he have to think only he talks truth and everybody else is lying about thier ids and intentions?

>

> I am sorry to say this, but I dont see any point in encouraging such people by reading thier responses. As I said earlier, knowledge without humbleness is a waste.

>

> He had abused me that I am so and so and used several nicks and called me 'it' and 'hermaphrodite' without even giving a 1 second thought as to check if I had posted earlier in this group or am really someone faking as someone else. That's really outrageous.

>

> --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Jitendra Trivedi <trivedijv (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> Jitendra Trivedi <trivedijv (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

> vedic astrology

> Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 11:11 PM

>

> Dear Jignesh,

>

> I agree with Mr.Jha's statements. Infact I am already aware of authenticity

> of Mr..Jha. However I wanted him to answer, hence I requested him to reply to

> your emails.

>

> Mr.Vinay is a coveted and respected member of the Vedic-Astrology group. He

> has benevolently distributed his software developed by him through rigorous

> efforts. For which I and only few others have been able to appreciate his

> work.

>

> Unfortunately, a new comer, yourself and few others have made blatant

> derogatory remarks to Mr.Vinay. This is totally not acceptable. You are a

> beginner, and you have to embrace humbleness as your quality, which should

> compell seniors (like Mr.Vinay) to really feel spiritually indebted to

> answer your queries. Wiedling foul language like an immature user will only

> defame you.

>

> I request you to please be polite and humble enough hence-forth to the

> members. I am sure you will be contributing to the group by your queries and

> soon by replying few queries too.

>

> Dear Vinay Jha Ji,

>

> I appologize for the wrong words used by some of the users on the group. I

> am sorry for their behaviour, as they have targetted you for venting of

> their frustration (which is incorrect). I know you are spirtually matured

> and kind enough to give one more chance to the users. I thoroughly

> appreciate your contribution not only to the group but to the society and

> mankind as a whole.

>

> I have seen many posts where in users simply write to moderators to

> ban/control users for purported mis-behaving. Please comprehend the fact

> that this group is a "free" group. Moderators have other daunting tasks in

> real world too, may be more urgent than we understand. Hence alike freedom

> of speech in democracy there are always going to be few users who will

> resort to unpleasant / foul language. For which I think the group

> collectively is responsible. I request all to moderate "ourself" and group

> will be better place.

>

> Finally, I am not the moderator. I am veteran user (just like any of you).

>

> à¤¸à¤°à¥à¤µà¥‡ à¤à¤µà¤‚à¤¤à¥ à¤¸à¥à¤–à¥€à¤¨à¤ƒ

>

> à¥›à¤¿à¤¤à¥‡à¤¨à¥à¤¦à¥à¤° / Jitendra

>

> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

>

> >

> > Jitendra Trivedi Ji,

> >

> > Why you do not read the previous posts befire interfering ? Or are you also

> > a fake ID of this extraordinary person having many IDs (Jignesh, Shahneha

> > etc) who wants to force me to predict his/her marriage ? Am I his servant ?I

> > said I am a software developer and not a professional astrologer.

> >

> > I am notgoing to answer all such posts. You may ask promoters to ban me

> > just because I refused to predict the marriage of this person who uses both

> > a male and a female ID (read his/her own mails).

> >

> > The manner in which you have assumed the role of arbitrator suggests you

> > may be a new fake ID of this person.

> >

> > -VJ

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > Jitendra Trivedi <trivedijv (AT) gmail (DOT) com <trivedijv%40gmail. com>>

> > vedic astrology <vedic astrology% 40. com>;

> > vinayjhaa16@ <vinayjhaa16% 40>

> > Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:24:05 PM

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

> >

> > Dear Vinay Jha ji,

> >

> > Please reply to the below grievances against you ?

> >

> > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:18 AM, shahnehainc <shahnehainc@ >

> > wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > I have seen a few but it seems that he is only to propogate his software

> > > and nothing else ...

> > > Jignesh

> > >

> > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%

> > 40. com>,

> > > Jitendra Trivedi <trivedijv@ ..> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nehaji,

> > > >

> > > > Which postings in particular are you referring to ?

> > > >

> > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:00 AM, shahnehainc <shahnehainc@ ...>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Promoters,

> > > > >

> > > > > Kindly, refer the posting of Mr. Vinay Jha and appropriate actions

> > are

> > > > > awaited from your side.

> > > > >

> > > >

May 22, 2009

Dear Prashant Nair ji,

It has been now a proven fact, that this man VJ does not know abcd of

Surya Siddhanta.

His software is " Bakwaas " not downloadable, and those few who have

downloaded it, are crying. Because their Lagnas and Vimsottari dashas

have changed drasticaaly which do not match with any occurences in their

Life.

He is not a Brahmachaari. Any Brahmachaari does not have so much time to

do bakwaas on so many Groups and exhibit his non existent great

qualities 24 x 7.

He is not a Sanyaasi. No Sanyaasi is so much touchy to misunderstand

even a good advice from any good person who means good for him.

He has no power of words, language or Shabd. And he calls his statements

as " Brahma Vaakya " . This is the highest comedy of this decade. No

bragging does any man of God does.

He does not know abcd of astrology. If one checks his replies to many

querents on the " Jyotish Remedies " Group where he has been allowed to

release his scum, then even any nobody would realise that he is just

like anybody common and not any somebody as he projects himself to be.

I am not an astronomer. But yet I have understood the SuryaSiddhanta

much better, infact absolutely the way it must be understood. Even today

I can sit in a closed room with blind folded eyes and tell the positions

of the planets, what they should be, in future in any century on any

given date. Can he do this ? I can do this on the basis of Surya

Siddhanta principles. Then who has understood the Suryasiddhant . He, or

those who argue with him as astronomers for their Supreme Egoes ???

Are we ordinary astrologers not better then these " God men " ? If we can

do so ????????????

I challenge him to do what I can do. In front of hundred dignatories

from all over India I can prove what I said above. Can he do this ?

Bhaskar.

, Prashanth Nair

<prashanthnair999 wrote:

>

> --- On Fri, 5/22/09, nanku_singh6816 nanku_singh6816 wrote:

>

> nanku_singh6816 nanku_singh6816

> [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

> vedic astrology

> Friday, May 22, 2009, 5:59 PM

>

VJ and PGB(Moderator JR) both are crap

>

> Sunil Bhatacharjya has already proved his calculation as totally wrong

of 60 yrs weather forecast, when Sunil Bhattacharjya claimed about that,

he recollected his mistake that time

>

> His software is crap and God knows what type of ayanamsha he is

talking about, he is stick to that calculation which can not locate

Surya position

>

> he is talking about that calculation which everybody knows are absurd

and all persons have left that calculation as there is no reality and

now all ppl use data provided by NASA and all ppl also use data provided

by observatories

>

> Now can we trust on his any calculation? He only shouts with high

pitch just to show ppl that he is correct

>

> He talks of Kali-Yuga and absurd calculation of lacks of years which

are totally absurd everybody knows in this scientific world but God

knows why he thinks that his absurd calculations are correct

>

> Our Sunil Bhattacharjya asked him how many verses are in Suryasidhanta

he was not able to answer

>

> Can moderator of this group BAN him from here or he will spare this

group from absurd calculations

>

> Love and Regards

>

> Nanku Bhaskar

>

> vedic astrology, jayasreedaran nair

<jayan_chorote@ ...> wrote:

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > Can you guys please give the other members of the forum a break? I

wonder how people have so much time to indulge in such crap of

mudslinging. ..

>

> > Those of you who boast of qualifications and certified credentials

do not seem to have the basic thing known as civic sense. Why cant you

guys

>

> > fix a time and venue for a hand to hand fight and leave others

alone?

>

> >

>

> > Sorry I had to tell this seeing the way such stupid discussions are

perpetuating in this form.

>

> >

>

> > J Nair

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

>

> > vedic astrology

>

> > Thursday, 21 May, 2009 10:31:54 PM

>

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> >

>

> > I do not know who this " serenity forever " is, and I am not

interested in learning whether " serenity forever " is he, she or it. If

anyone keeps a fake ID, I cannot know it, and my remarks like " he, she

or it " do not amount to abusing.

>

> >

>

> > " Serenity forever " wanted me to predict marriage of Jignesh, I have

never done such a job and will never do it ; it is against my

principles. I took an oath before my late Guru ji that all women in the

world, including infants, are my mothers, and it is sinful to help in

marriage of one's mother. I do not visit marriages. " Serenity forever "

is feigning to forget that I requested not to force a sanyaasi go

against his principles. There are many astrologers, Jignesh/Neha/

Serenity could approach them.

>

> >

>

> > But these " sane " persons are now calling me names ( " moron " ,

" nervous wreck " , " how sane is it if he goes around accues innocent

passer-by " ). In spite of my refusal to predict marriage, these persons

were teasing me, and are now feigning to be " innocent passer-by " .

>

> >

>

> > When I refused to predict his marriage, Mr Jignesh accused me : " it

seems that he is only to propogate his software and nothing else " . My

free software seems business to Mr Jignesh.

>

> >

>

> > Neha Shah (shahnehainc) called me " moron, nervous wreck " . Then, I

became curious why these people are harassing me. I am not their family

astrologer or a servant to obey their commands. " Serenity forever " poked

his/her/its nose between by calling me to predict marriages against my

principles. And calls me an abuser if I fail to understand whether

" Serenity forever " is a nickname for Jignesh or Neha who are abusing me

because they could not force a sanyaasi to predict marriages !! Keeping

fake ID for creating confusion and taking sides with abusers is not an

innocent. " Serenity forever " is certainly not an " innocent passer-by "

and has taken up the issue of Jignesh and Neha. The manner in which this

fake ID intruded on behalf of Jignesh and Neha convinces me that it is a

fake ID of Neha. They want to abuse me and are inventing causes for

abusing me. Some people with special yogas imagine monks must be treated

like servants.

>

> >

>

> > -VJ

>

> > ============ ===== ====

>

> >

>

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > serenity forever <serenity_forever4@ >

>

> > vedic astrology

>

> > Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:52:16 PM

>

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

>

> >

>

> > Hello Sir,

>

> >

>

> > Though this email doesnt concern me, just would like to throw my few

cents on what you are saying below. You can accept it or not but please

dont get highly frustrated and throw abuses and allege wrong people like

Mr.Jha.

>

> >

>

> > I am sure he is a really learned person, if you say so, there's no

doubt about it. Its good you support him, but how sane is it if he goes

around accues innocent passer-by's who just offered a suggestion,

accusing them of abusing them and further abusing them calling them 'it'

and 'hermaphrodite' ??? Knowledge should give one humbleness. But if it

gives arrogance and frustration, I am not sure about the quality of

knowledge anymore.

>

> >

>

> > I m guessing he should be in his 50s or 60s, alteast age wise he

should act mature and try understand people instead of abusing them in

the name of truth. Why does he have to think only he talks truth and

everybody else is lying about thier ids and intentions?

>

> >

>

> > I am sorry to say this, but I dont see any point in encouraging such

people by reading thier responses. As I said earlier, knowledge without

humbleness is a waste.

>

> >

>

> > He had abused me that I am so and so and used several nicks and

called me 'it' and 'hermaphrodite' without even giving a 1 second

thought as to check if I had posted earlier in this group or am really

someone faking as someone else. That's really outrageous.

>

> >

>

> > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Jitendra Trivedi trivedijv (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > Jitendra Trivedi trivedijv (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

>

> > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

>

> > vedic astrology

>

> > Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 11:11 PM

>

> >

>

> > Dear Jignesh,

>

> >

>

> > I agree with Mr.Jha's statements. Infact I am already aware of

authenticity

>

> > of Mr..Jha. However I wanted him to answer, hence I requested him to

reply to

>

> > your emails.

>

> >

>

> > Mr.Vinay is a coveted and respected member of the Vedic-Astrology

group. He

>

> > has benevolently distributed his software developed by him through

rigorous

>

> > efforts. For which I and only few others have been able to

appreciate his

>

> > work.

>

> >

>

> > Unfortunately, a new comer, yourself and few others have made

blatant

>

> > derogatory remarks to Mr.Vinay. This is totally not acceptable. You

are a

>

> > beginner, and you have to embrace humbleness as your quality, which

should

>

> > compell seniors (like Mr.Vinay) to really feel spiritually indebted

to

>

> > answer your queries. Wiedling foul language like an immature user

will only

>

> > defame you.

>

> >

>

> > I request you to please be polite and humble enough hence-forth to

the

>

> > members. I am sure you will be contributing to the group by your

queries and

>

> > soon by replying few queries too.

>

> >

>

> > Dear Vinay Jha Ji,

>

> >

>

> > I appologize for the wrong words used by some of the users on the

group. I

>

> > am sorry for their behaviour, as they have targetted you for venting

of

>

> > their frustration (which is incorrect). I know you are spirtually

matured

>

> > and kind enough to give one more chance to the users. I thoroughly

>

> > appreciate your contribution not only to the group but to the

society and

>

> > mankind as a whole.

>

> >

>

> > I have seen many posts where in users simply write to moderators to

>

> > ban/control users for purported mis-behaving. Please comprehend the

fact

>

> > that this group is a " free " group. Moderators have other daunting

tasks in

>

> > real world too, may be more urgent than we understand. Hence alike

freedom

>

> > of speech in democracy there are always going to be few users who

will

>

> > resort to unpleasant / foul language. For which I think the group

>

> > collectively is responsible. I request all to moderate " ourself " and

group

>

> > will be better place.

>

> >

>

> > Finally, I am not the moderator. I am veteran user (just like any of

you).

>

> >

>

> > à¤¸à¤°à¥à¤µà¥‡ à¤à¤µà¤‚à¤¤à¥

à¤¸à¥à¤–à¥€à¤¨à¤ƒ

>

> >

>

> > à¥›à¤¿à¤¤à¥‡à¤¨à¥à¤¦à¥à¤° / Jitendra

>

> >

>

> > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

wrote:

>

> >

>

> > >

>

> > >

>

> > > Jitendra Trivedi Ji,

>

> > >

>

> > > Why you do not read the previous posts befire interfering ? Or are

you also

>

> > > a fake ID of this extraordinary person having many IDs (Jignesh,

Shahneha

>

> > > etc) who wants to force me to predict his/her marriage ? Am I his

servant ?I

>

> > > said I am a software developer and not a professional astrologer.

>

> > >

>

> > > I am notgoing to answer all such posts. You may ask promoters to

ban me

>

> > > just because I refused to predict the marriage of this person who

uses both

>

> > > a male and a female ID (read his/her own mails).

>

> > >

>

> > > The manner in which you have assumed the role of arbitrator

suggests you

>

> > > may be a new fake ID of this person.

>

> > >

>

> > > -VJ

>

> > >

>

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

>

> > > Jitendra Trivedi trivedijv (AT) gmail (DOT) com <trivedijv%40gmail.

com>>

>

> > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%

40. com>;

>

> > > vinayjhaa16@ <vinayjhaa16% 40>

>

> > > Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:24:05 PM

>

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

>

> > >

>

> > > Dear Vinay Jha ji,

>

> > >

>

> > > Please reply to the below grievances against you ?

>

> > >

>

> > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:18 AM, shahnehainc <shahnehainc@

>

> > > wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > I have seen a few but it seems that he is only to propogate his

software

>

> > > > and nothing else ...

>

> > > > Jignesh

>

> > > >

>

> > > >

>

> > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%

>

> > > 40. com>,

>

> > > > Jitendra Trivedi <trivedijv@ ..> wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Nehaji,

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > Which postings in particular are you referring to ?

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:00 AM, shahnehainc <shahnehainc@

....>

>

> > > wrote:

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Promoters,

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > > Kindly, refer the posting of Mr. Vinay Jha and appropriate

actions

>

> > > are

>

> > > > > > awaited from your side.

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

>

> > > > >

May 23, 2009

dear Bhaskar ji

why such god men s ,fake spiritualists and neo theoriest r entertained

in one forum only ?

why such fellaws is not asked to substantiate their claims

why all such mails ( i know almost 6 persons mails deleted who ever

asked to stop this drama/or countered the claims ) which is simply

based on some un prooven claims called secrets are approved in a

moderated forum .

why this moderaters cant behav sensibily ,why he giving statements in

forums against who ever asked for prooving any claims ? I think this is

the 5th person ( all were some manaics or some selfish fake idiots )or

so who is being promoted in that astrological forum which was once one

of the best in grps .Wat he wanted to achiev tru this ?

Now what happened all those people who ever come with more taller

claims supported by this moderater

rgrds prashanth

, " Bhaskar "

<bhaskar_jyotish wrote:

>

> Dear Prashant Nair ji,

>

> It has been now a proven fact, that this man VJ does not know abcd of

> Surya Siddhanta.

>

> His software is " Bakwaas " not downloadable, and those few who have

> downloaded it, are crying. Because their Lagnas and Vimsottari dashas

> have changed drasticaaly which do not match with any occurences in

their

> Life.

>

> He is not a Brahmachaari. Any Brahmachaari does not have so much time

to

> do bakwaas on so many Groups and exhibit his non existent great

> qualities 24 x 7.

>

> He is not a Sanyaasi. No Sanyaasi is so much touchy to misunderstand

> even a good advice from any good person who means good for him.

>

> He has no power of words, language or Shabd. And he calls his

statements

> as " Brahma Vaakya " . This is the highest comedy of this decade. No

> bragging does any man of God does.

>

> He does not know abcd of astrology. If one checks his replies to many

> querents on the " Jyotish Remedies " Group where he has been allowed to

> release his scum, then even any nobody would realise that he is just

> like anybody common and not any somebody as he projects himself to be.

>

> I am not an astronomer. But yet I have understood the SuryaSiddhanta

> much better, infact absolutely the way it must be understood. Even

today

> I can sit in a closed room with blind folded eyes and tell the

positions

> of the planets, what they should be, in future in any century on any

> given date. Can he do this ? I can do this on the basis of Surya

> Siddhanta principles. Then who has understood the Suryasiddhant . He,

or

> those who argue with him as astronomers for their Supreme Egoes ???

>

> Are we ordinary astrologers not better then these " God men " ? If we

can

> do so ????????????

>

> I challenge him to do what I can do. In front of hundred dignatories

> from all over India I can prove what I said above. Can he do this ?

>

> Bhaskar.

, Prashanth Nair

> prashanthnair999@ wrote:

>

May 24, 2009

Mr. Vinay Ji,

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â You and your principle are absolutely right. Jo jaisa

karega wo baisha hi phal payega.

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â \

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With Regards

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â \

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â S.C.Agrawal

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

(Cunsulting astrologer)

----- Forwarded Message ----

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16

vedic astrology

Sunday, 24 May, 2009 10:37:27 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

To j_janam :

I took an oath before my departed Guruji long ago that all women in the world

all my mothers. I have to observe many other oaths too, as a part of lifelong

brahmacharya. Hence, Bhaskar's mother is my mother. I am incapable of abusing

anyone.

My mundane father, mother, sister are all dead. Abuses are like barks of dogs on

the road which no one cares for.

Some people have special yogas in their kundalis which induces them to abuse

monks. These special yogas will punish them ultimately, I do not need to

retaliate. If dogs bark at me, I do not need to become a dog to bark at them.

-VJ

============ ========= == ===

____________ _________ _________ __

" j_janam (AT) ymail (DOT) com " <j_janam (AT) ymail (DOT) com>

vedic astrology

Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:39:59 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

Vinay Shah-ji

Why you didnt give abuse to Bhaskar like

@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@

Gali ka kutta hai kya tu ? tere pachas baap hai kya

@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@

In reply

Teri maa kutiya thi aur pachas kuttay teri maa ko chodtay the

@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@

Sammjhe kutte ki aulad

@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@

Teri maa kutiya thi,50 kutton ne choda hoga tab tuu paida huaa hoga

so simple it is

His whole team Bhaskar, Neelam, Sunil give you abuses daily, you can check on

your own those abuses on thier forum, please read all past msgs

2 days back they only gave abuses to you on their forum

You should also continue with tirade

vedic astrology, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ....> wrote:

>

> RR Ji,

>

> I was unwilling to publicize the obsence abuses sent to me by " Respectable "

Bhaskar Ji alias thousands of fake IDs (for floating a fake with

thousands of fake members). Following is one of the many " scholarly " message to

me from " Respectable " Bhaskar ji :

>

> <<<<<<<

> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ ...>

> vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:50:45 PM

> You bastard

>

> Abe hinjde,

>

> // (I had informed him yesterday through email that I left AIA, hence his

first target was this forum and not AIA because I will never answer anyone

there). Suchabusive remarks can be sent to me through PM/email. //

>

> When did you write to me and inform me that you had posted me a mail ?

>

> Gali ka kutta hai kya tu ? tere pachas baap hai kya ?Ya randiyon ka dalaal hai

Tu ?

>

> Jhoot kyon bol raha hai ek acche aadmi ke liye ? Tujhe pata hai iska parinam

kya hoga ? Agar Bhaskarji chahe toh tere thobdaa ek din mein kaala kar denge ek

hi mantra padh kar.Sammjhe kutte ki aulad.

>

> Bastard does not know anything about astrology or astronomy but keepsfucking

around like a parasite.

> >>>>>>>

>

> His real name is something else. I did not want to destroy his hapinness and

business by taking appropriate action on him.He had promised to keep away from

me, but now he is forgetting his promise. If he persists in his disruptive

activities, I will broadcast his obscene messages and real identity to everyone.

>

> -VJ

> ============ === ======

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, May 23, 2009 6:43:36 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

>

> Dear Bhaskar jee,

>

> That message was from jayasreedaran nair and not Sunil jee ;-)

>

> RR

>

> vedic astrology, " nanku_singh6816 " <nanku_singh6816@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks Sunil Nair for the message

> > You are saviour of this group

> >

> > Love and Regards

> > Nanku Bhaskar

> >

> > vedic astrology, jayasreedaran nair <jayan_chorote@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Can you guys please give the other members of the forum a break? I wonder

how people have so much time to indulge in such crap of mudslinging. ..

> > > Those of you who boast of qualifications and certified credentials do not

seem to have the basic thing known as civic sense. Why cant you guys

> > > fix a time and venue for a hand to hand fight and leave others alone?

> > >

> > > Sorry I had to tell this seeing the way such stupid discussions are

perpetuating in this form.

> > >

> > > J Nair

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Thursday, 21 May, 2009 10:31:54 PM

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

> > >

> > > I do not know who this " serenity forever " is, and I am not interested in

learning whether " serenity forever " is he, she or it. If anyone keeps a fake ID,

I cannot know it, and my remarks like " he, she or it " do not amount to abusing.

> > >

> > > " Serenity forever " wanted me to predict marriage of Jignesh, I have never

done such a job and will never do it ; it is against my principles. I took an

oath before my late Guru ji that all women in the world, including infants, are

my mothers, and it is sinful to help in marriage of one's mother. I do not visit

marriages. " Serenity forever " is feigning to forget that I requested not to

force a sanyaasi go against his principles. There are many astrologers,

Jignesh/Neha/ Serenity could approach them.

> > >

> > > But these " sane " persons are now calling me names ( " moron " , " nervous

wreck " , " how sane is it if he goes around accues innocent passer-by " ). In spite

of my refusal to predict marriage, these persons were teasing me, and are now

feigning to be " innocent passer-by " .

> > >

> > > When I refused to predict his marriage, Mr Jignesh accused me : " it seems

that he is only to propogate his software and nothing else " . My free software

seems business to Mr Jignesh.

> > >

> > > Neha Shah (shahnehainc) called me " moron, nervous wreck " . Then, I became

curious why these people are harassing me. I am not their family astrologer or a

servant to obey their commands. " Serenity forever " poked his/her/its nose

between by calling me to predict marriages against my principles. And calls me

an abuser if I fail to understand whether " Serenity forever " is a nickname for

Jignesh or Neha who are abusing me because they could not force a sanyaasi to

predict marriages !! Keeping fake ID for creating confusion and taking sides

with abusers is not an innocent. " Serenity forever " is certainly not an

" innocent passer-by " and has taken up the issue of Jignesh and Neha. The manner

in which this fake ID intruded on behalf of Jignesh and Neha convinces me that

it is a fake ID of Neha. They want to abuse me and are inventing causes for

abusing me. Some people with special yogas imagine monks must be treated like

servants.

> > >

> > > -VJ

> > > ============ ===== ====

> > >

> > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > serenity forever <serenity_forever4@ >

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Thursday, May 21, 2009 9:52:16 PM

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

> > >

> > > Hello Sir,

> > >

> > > Though this email doesnt concern me, just would like to throw my few cents

on what you are saying below. You can accept it or not but please dont get

highly frustrated and throw abuses and allege wrong people like Mr.Jha.

> > >

> > > I am sure he is a really learned person, if you say so, there's no doubt

about it. Its good you support him, but how sane is it if he goes around accues

innocent passer-by's who just offered a suggestion, accusing them of abusing

them and further abusing them calling them 'it' and 'hermaphrodite' ???

Knowledge should give one humbleness. But if it gives arrogance and frustration,

I am not sure about the quality of knowledge anymore.

> > >

> > > I m guessing he should be in his 50s or 60s, alteast age wise he should

act mature and try understand people instead of abusing them in the name of

truth. Why does he have to think only he talks truth and everybody else is lying

about thier ids and intentions?

> > >

> > > I am sorry to say this, but I dont see any point in encouraging such

people by reading thier responses. As I said earlier, knowledge without

humbleness is a waste.

> > >

> > > He had abused me that I am so and so and used several nicks and called me

'it' and 'hermaphrodite' without even giving a 1 second thought as to check if I

had posted earlier in this group or am really someone faking as someone else.

That's really outrageous.

> > >

> > > --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Jitendra Trivedi <trivedijv (AT) gmail (DOT) com> wrote:

> > >

> > > Jitendra Trivedi <trivedijv (AT) gmail (DOT) com>

> > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

> > > vedic astrology

> > > Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 11:11 PM

> > >

> > > Dear Jignesh,

> > >

> > > I agree with Mr.Jha's statements. Infact I am already aware of

authenticity

> > > of Mr..Jha. However I wanted him to answer, hence I requested him to reply

to

> > > your emails.

> > >

> > > Mr.Vinay is a coveted and respected member of the Vedic-Astrology group.

He

> > > has benevolently distributed his software developed by him through

rigorous

> > > efforts. For which I and only few others have been able to appreciate his

> > > work.

> > >

> > > Unfortunately, a new comer, yourself and few others have made blatant

> > > derogatory remarks to Mr.Vinay. This is totally not acceptable. You are a

> > > beginner, and you have to embrace humbleness as your quality, which should

> > > compell seniors (like Mr.Vinay) to really feel spiritually indebted to

> > > answer your queries. Wiedling foul language like an immature user will

only

> > > defame you.

> > >

> > > I request you to please be polite and humble enough hence-forth to the

> > > members. I am sure you will be contributing to the group by your queries

and

> > > soon by replying few queries too.

> > >

> > > Dear Vinay Jha Ji,

> > >

> > > I appologize for the wrong words used by some of the users on the group. I

> > > am sorry for their behaviour, as they have targetted you for venting of

> > > their frustration (which is incorrect). I know you are spirtually matured

> > > and kind enough to give one more chance to the users. I thoroughly

> > > appreciate your contribution not only to the group but to the society and

> > > mankind as a whole.

> > >

> > > I have seen many posts where in users simply write to moderators to

> > > ban/control users for purported mis-behaving. Please comprehend the fact

> > > that this group is a " free " group. Moderators have other daunting tasks in

> > > real world too, may be more urgent than we understand. Hence alike freedom

> > > of speech in democracy there are always going to be few users who will

> > > resort to unpleasant / foul language. For which I think the group

> > > collectively is responsible. I request all to moderate " ourself " and group

> > > will be better place.

> > >

> > > Finally, I am not the moderator. I am veteran user (just like any of you).

> > >

> > >

> > > à¥›à¤¿à¤¤à¥‡à¤¨à¥à¤¦à¥à¤° / Jitendra

> > >

> > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ > wrote:

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Jitendra Trivedi Ji,

> > > >

> > > > Why you do not read the previous posts befire interfering ? Or are you

also

> > > > a fake ID of this extraordinary person having many IDs (Jignesh,

Shahneha

> > > > etc) who wants to force me to predict his/her marriage ? Am I his

servant ?I

> > > > said I am a software developer and not a professional astrologer.

> > > >

> > > > I am notgoing to answer all such posts. You may ask promoters to ban me

> > > > just because I refused to predict the marriage of this person who uses

both

> > > > a male and a female ID (read his/her own mails).

> > > >

> > > > The manner in which you have assumed the role of arbitrator suggests you

> > > > may be a new fake ID of this person.

> > > >

> > > > -VJ

> > > >

> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > > > Jitendra Trivedi <trivedijv (AT) gmail (DOT) com <trivedijv%40gmail. com>>

> > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology% 40.

com>;

> > > > vinayjhaa16@ <vinayjhaa16% 40>

> > > > Wednesday, May 20, 2009 1:24:05 PM

> > > > Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

> > > >

> > > > Dear Vinay Jha ji,

> > > >

> > > > Please reply to the below grievances against you ?

> > > >

> > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:18 AM, shahnehainc <shahnehainc@ >

> > > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > I have seen a few but it seems that he is only to propogate his

software

> > > > > and nothing else ...

> > > > > Jignesh

> > > > >

> > > > > vedic astrology <vedic astrology%

> > > > 40. com>,

> > > > > Jitendra Trivedi <trivedijv@ ..> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nehaji,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Which postings in particular are you referring to ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:00 AM, shahnehainc <shahnehainc@ ...>

> > > > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Promoters,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Kindly, refer the posting of Mr. Vinay Jha and appropriate actions

> > > > are

> > > > > > > awaited from your side.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

May 24, 2009

pls stop the sending mailssssssss

--- On Sun, 5/24/09, Suresh Agrawal <sureshagrawal.1966 wrote:

Suresh Agrawal <sureshagrawal.1966

Fw: [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

vedic astrology

Sunday, May 24, 2009, 6:23 AM

Mr. Vinay Ji,

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â You and your principle are absolutely right. Jo jaisa

karega wo baisha hi phal payega.

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â \

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â With Regards

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â \

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â S.C.Agrawal

Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â

(Cunsulting astrologer)

----- Forwarded Message ----

Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ >

vedic astrology

Sunday, 24 May, 2009 10:37:27 AM

Re: [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

To j_janam :

I took an oath before my departed Guruji long ago that all women in the world

all my mothers. I have to observe many other oaths too, as a part of lifelong

brahmacharya. Hence, Bhaskar's mother is my mother. I am incapable of abusing

anyone.

My mundane father, mother, sister are all dead. Abuses are like barks of dogs on

the road which no one cares for.

Some people have special yogas in their kundalis which induces them to abuse

monks. These special yogas will punish them ultimately, I do not need to

retaliate. If dogs bark at me, I do not need to become a dog to bark at them.

-VJ

============ ========= == ===

____________ _________ _________ __

" j_janam (AT) ymail (DOT) com " <j_janam (AT) ymail (DOT) com>

vedic astrology

Sunday, May 24, 2009 3:39:59 AM

[vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

Vinay Shah-ji

Why you didnt give abuse to Bhaskar like

@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@

Gali ka kutta hai kya tu ? tere pachas baap hai kya

@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@

In reply

Teri maa kutiya thi aur pachas kuttay teri maa ko chodtay the

@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@

Sammjhe kutte ki aulad

@@@@@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@

Teri maa kutiya thi,50 kutton ne choda hoga tab tuu paida huaa hoga

so simple it is

His whole team Bhaskar, Neelam, Sunil give you abuses daily, you can check on

your own those abuses on thier forum, please read all past msgs

2 days back they only gave abuses to you on their forum

You should also continue with tirade

vedic astrology, Vinay Jha <vinayjhaa16@ ....> wrote:

>

> RR Ji,

>

> I was unwilling to publicize the obsence abuses sent to me by " Respectable "

Bhaskar Ji alias thousands of fake IDs (for floating a fake with

thousands of fake members). Following is one of the many " scholarly " message to

me from " Respectable " Bhaskar ji :

>

> <<<<<<<

> Bhaskar <rajiventerprises@ ...>

> vinayjhaa16 <vinayjhaa16@ ...>

> Saturday, January 17, 2009 10:50:45 PM

> You bastard

>

> Abe hinjde,

>

> // (I had informed him yesterday through email that I left AIA, hence his

first target was this forum and not AIA because I will never answer anyone

there). Suchabusive remarks can be sent to me through PM/email. //

>

> When did you write to me and inform me that you had posted me a mail ?

>

> Gali ka kutta hai kya tu ? tere pachas baap hai kya ?Ya randiyon ka dalaal hai

Tu ?

>

> Jhoot kyon bol raha hai ek acche aadmi ke liye ? Tujhe pata hai iska parinam

kya hoga ? Agar Bhaskarji chahe toh tere thobdaa ek din mein kaala kar denge ek

hi mantra padh kar.Sammjhe kutte ki aulad.

>

> Bastard does not know anything about astrology or astronomy but keepsfucking

around like a parasite.

> >>>>>>>

>

> His real name is something else. I did not want to destroy his hapinness and

business by taking appropriate action on him.He had promised to keep away from

me, but now he is forgetting his promise. If he persists in his disruptive

activities, I will broadcast his obscene messages and real identity to everyone.

>

> -VJ

> ============ === ======

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani@ ...>

> vedic astrology

> Saturday, May 23, 2009 6:43:36 AM

> [vedic astrology] Re: Ban Mr. Vinay Jha

>

> Dear Bhaskar jee,

>

> That message was from jayasreedaran nair and not Sunil jee ;-)

>

> RR

>

> vedic astrology, " nanku_singh6816 " <nanku_singh6816@

....> wrote:

> >

> > Thanks Sunil Nair for the message

> > You are saviour of this group

> >

> > Love and Regards

> > Nanku Bhaskar

> >

> > vedic astrology, jayasreedaran nair <jayan_chorote@

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Can you guys please give the other members of the forum a break? I wonder

how people have so much time to indulge in such crap of mudslinging. ...