[VRI] Fwd: RASHIS IN THE VEDAS --- FACT OR FICTION!

May 28, 2009

Dear friends,

It is shameful that Mr. Kaul is conveniently attempting to discard the presence of the Rarshis in the Veda and the Vedanga Jyotisha. Veda clearly mentions Mesha, Vrshabha, Mithun, Simha, Kanya, Vrischika and Dhanu and these had been found before Dr. Vartak's study on it. Dr. Vartak had to my knowledge identified Anas-Ratha with Tula and Kalasha with Kumbha and I have identified Brahma Rashi of the Mahabharata with the Makar Rashi mentioned in the Bhagavata Purana. Meena is clearly mentioned in the Vedanga Jyotisha and Mr. Kaul knows it as he claims to have read the Vedanga Jyotisha. It not impossible that Shyena of the Veda became Meena in Vedanga Jyotisha like the Brahma Rashi became Makara Rashi at the time of the Bhagavata Purana. I fully support Dr. Vartak as he knows that the Veda itself says that it has Paroksha and Pratyaksha meaning of the verses, which a shallow

person like Kaul does not know. I can assure you my friends that Mr. Kaul will try to discredit the Hindu Jyotisha and Veda and Vedanga to his last breadth and he is taking full advantage of the broad-minded fora to propagate his anti-Vedic views.

If possible the Swedish Academy should institute a Nobel Prize for falsification of Veda and Vedanga and recognise the life-time perseverance of Mr. Kaul by giving such a prize to Kaul for his anti-Hindu-shastra activity of trying to remove the Rashi from the Veda and Vedanga Jyotisha. I am sure that sooner or later the knowledgeable Hindus will not tolerate such anti-Hindu activities of Kaul. He is a back-sheep of the Kashmiri community also as he has been trying to discredit the antiquity of the traditional Kashmiri Saptarshi calendar, which was started 25 years after departure of Lord Krishna and hence 61 years after the Mahabharata war by reducjng the antiquity of the Mahabharata. In fact the Greek authorities should also give a prize to Mr. Kaul for trying to glorify the past contributions of Greece in Astronomy.

Regards,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Wed, 5/27/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved wrote:

Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved[VRI] Fwd: RASHIS IN THE VEDAS --- FACT OR FICTION!vedic_research_institute Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 10:19 AM

Dear All,Namaskar!Here is a self-eloquent copy of #No.1294 dt. 14-10-06 on WAVVES-VEDIC forum.Regards, AKKWAVES-Vedic, "jyotirved" <jyotirved@. ..> wrote:Dear friends,Namaste!The following "News item" in the Astrological Magazine of October 2006, page 904, should be of interest to all of us:"Dr. P. V. Vartak, researcher in the ancient Indian sciences, wasfelicitated on June 3, 2006, by Mr. Chandrakant Shewale under the auspicesof Veda Vigyan Mandal, Pune, for his discovery of the Rashis in the RigVeda".A similar "news" had appeared in the 'Express Star Teller' of September2006, page 12:"Dr. P. V. Vartak is the founder/President of the Veda Vidnyana Mandal,Pune. According

to Dr. Vartak, all the twelve Rasis are recorded in theRigveda, the oldest literature of the world. The Rigveda also mentionstwelve 'Figures' in the sky and twelve spokes of a wheel of time. The namesgiven by the Rigveda to the signs of the Zodiac are descriptive. Itmentions Mesha, (Aries), Vrushabha (Taurus), Mithuna, Simha (Leo), Kanya(Virgo), Vrischika (Scorpio), Dhanus (Sagittarius) , Kalasha (Aquarius). Forthe Pisces or Meena, the Rigveda uses the name 'Shyena' i.e. falcon, thefastest bird. Dr. Vartak states that in the sky, in the region of Pisces,we do see a figure made up of stars resembling the figure of a falcon. Itis now called as 'Phoenix'. Rigveda says that the Shyena has only one wing,and in fact, we see only one wing to that falcon. Tula (Libra) is called bythe name 'Anas-Ratha' , because we can see a pentagon as a cart (Ratha) and atriangular figure, representing its harness (Anas). It is

presently calledas "Boootes', Vrischika is also called as Kumbhaka (which pricks or stings)or Ibha an elephant. The tail of the celestial scorpion also looks like atrunk of elephant. Valmiki in his Ramayana calls this as 'Airawata', theelephant of Lord Indra. It is described to be the eighth Sign of zodiac,which shows that just like today, Mesha was held as the beginning sign atthe Vernal Equinox and its period was 25740 years BC.Dr. Vartak admits that he has not found (sic!)the Karka (Cander) and theMakara (Capricorn) However, he says that when other ten names are alreadynoted and the total number is found to be twelve, these two signs must bepresent in the Rigveda under some other names. Other researchers should tryhard to find them out."End of news items!*** ***** ***** ***** ********* **** *****It is high time that we ask the Swedish Academy to start a "Nobel Prize

forVedic Jyotish" and "recommend" the names of such "researchers" and"scholars" for the same because, after all, though our "Vedic jyotishis"have been practising "Vedic Rashi" based "Vedic jyotish" ever since theGreek invasion on India (i.e. about 4th century BCE), obviously, they musthave been doing so in anticipation of this "discovery" by the "modern VedicSeers" like Dr. Vartak! It is something like the English translator ofParashari saying that Brihat Parashari yields best results as per LahiriAyanamsha, which means Parashara Rishi must have recommended LahiriAyanamsha more than five thousand years back in anticipation of the birth of"almighty Lahiri"! Thus it is only now that our "modern Vedic Rishis" arediscovering "Mesha etc. Rashis" in the Vedas, which should also mean thatsince as per the Vedas, the whole universe is "Maya" that is why even"Vedic Jyotishis" had been practising such a "Maya" of

"Vedic Jyotish" sansVedic Rashis just by dint of their "Maya"!Why worry about the two "missing Rashis" -- after all it is just liketurning fiction into facts, and having been "inspired" by Dr. Vartak, someother "modern Vedic Rishi" will stake his claim to having "discovered"those two Rashis also with his (or will it be her?) Tapasya!With regards,Avtar Krishen Kaul--- End forwarded message ---

May 29, 2009

Dear Sunil-Da,

In astrology we have primary assumptions as I called those or axioms as a

mathematician once reminded me was the proper term! Such as: the zone of stars

around the 'progressed and extrapolated path of the earth around our star, Sun "

is important to astrology, that primarily if not exclusively deals with the ZOO

of LIFE and Living forms (To some it may come as a surprise that even the Stock

Exchange is BIO-driven and now we are blaming even the weather and climate to

BIO (humans!).

There is a 'Humanist' School that even believes, so I have been told, that

humans projected their repetitive thoughts and thought-forms through words and

vibrations skywards for God only knows how long and now the Heavens have begun

to pay attention and reflect the destiny of those who dwell on earth!

All have become and pretty much for a long time have been focused on the Human

Being, but what about those precursor times when Human beings were still MONKEYS

or whatever! Did Astrology and its rules exist back then? Were the Dinosaurs

ruled by astrological rules? Or even when only Unicellular organisms existed on

the earth? Let us not stop there and go even further back. When the new atoms

were born/created on this very earth, did they have a birth chart?

If yes, then astrology is Shashwat, and if not, one wonders -- Where or when did

Astrology actually Begin?

Rohini

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> It is shameful that Mr. Kaul is conveniently attempting to discard the

presence of the Rarshis in the Veda and the Vedanga Jyotisha. Veda clearly

mentions Mesha, Vrshabha, Mithun, Simha, Kanya, Vrischika and Dhanu and these

had been found before Dr. Vartak's study on it. Dr. Vartak had to my

knowledge identified Anas-Ratha with Tula and Kalasha with Kumbha and I have

identified Brahma Rashi of the Mahabharata with the Makar Rashi mentioned in

the Bhagavata Purana. Meena is clearly mentioned in the Vedanga Jyotisha and Mr.

Kaul knows it as he claims to have read the Vedanga Jyotisha. It not impossible

that Shyena of the Veda became Meena in Vedanga Jyotisha like the Brahma Rashi

became Makara Rashi at the time of the Bhagavata Purana. I fully support Dr.

Vartak as he knows that the Veda itself says that it has Paroksha and Pratyaksha

meaning of the verses, which a shallow person like Kaul does not know. I can

assure you my friends that

> Mr. Kaul will try to discredit the Hindu Jyotisha and Veda and Vedanga to his

last breadth and he is taking full advantage of the broad-minded fora to

propagate his anti-Vedic views.

>

> If possible the Swedish Academy should institute a Nobel Prize for

falsification of Veda and Vedanga and recognise the life-time perseverance of

Mr. Kaul by giving such a prize to Kaul for his anti-Hindu-shastra activity of

trying to remove the Rashi from the Veda and Vedanga Jyotisha. I am sure that

sooner or later the knowledgeable Hindus will not tolerate such anti-Hindu

activities of Kaul. He is a back-sheep of the Kashmiri community also as he has

been trying to discredit the antiquity of the traditional Kashmiri Saptarshi

calendar, which was started 25 years after departure of Lord Krishna and hence

61 years after the Mahabharata war by reducjng the antiquity of the Mahabharata.

In fact the Greek authorities should also give a prize to Mr. Kaul for trying to

glorify the past contributions of Greece in Astronomy.

>

> Regards,

>

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>

> --- On Wed, 5/27/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved wrote:

>

> Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved

> [VRI] Fwd: RASHIS IN THE VEDAS --- FACT OR FICTION!

> vedic_research_institute

> Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 10:19 AM

>

Dear All,

> Namaskar!

> Here is a self-eloquent copy of #No.1294 dt. 14-10-06 on WAVVES-VEDIC forum.

> Regards,

> AKK

> WAVES-Vedic, " jyotirved " <jyotirved@ ..> wrote:

>

> Dear friends,

>

> Namaste!

>

> The following " News item " in the Astrological Magazine of October 2006, page

904, should be of interest to all of us:

>

> " Dr. P. V. Vartak, researcher in the ancient Indian sciences, was

> felicitated on June 3, 2006, by Mr. Chandrakant Shewale under the auspices

> of Veda Vigyan Mandal, Pune, for his discovery of the Rashis in the Rig

> Veda " .

>

> A similar " news " had appeared in the 'Express Star Teller' of September

> 2006, page 12:

>

> " Dr. P. V. Vartak is the founder/President of the Veda Vidnyana Mandal,

> Pune. According to Dr. Vartak, all the twelve Rasis are recorded in the

> Rigveda, the oldest literature of the world. The Rigveda also mentions

> twelve 'Figures' in the sky and twelve spokes of a wheel of time. The names

> given by the Rigveda to the signs of the Zodiac are descriptive. It

> mentions Mesha, (Aries), Vrushabha (Taurus), Mithuna, Simha (Leo), Kanya

> (Virgo), Vrischika (Scorpio), Dhanus (Sagittarius) , Kalasha (Aquarius). For

> the Pisces or Meena, the Rigveda uses the name 'Shyena' i.e. falcon, the

> fastest bird. Dr. Vartak states that in the sky, in the region of Pisces,

> we do see a figure made up of stars resembling the figure of a falcon. It

> is now called as 'Phoenix'. Rigveda says that the Shyena has only one wing,

> and in fact, we see only one wing to that falcon. Tula (Libra) is called by

> the name 'Anas-Ratha' , because we can see a pentagon as a cart (Ratha) and a

> triangular figure, representing its harness (Anas). It is presently called

> as " Boootes', Vrischika is also called as Kumbhaka (which pricks or stings)

> or Ibha an elephant. The tail of the celestial scorpion also looks like a

> trunk of elephant. Valmiki in his Ramayana calls this as 'Airawata', the

> elephant of Lord Indra. It is described to be the eighth Sign of zodiac,

> which shows that just like today, Mesha was held as the beginning sign at

> the Vernal Equinox and its period was 25740 years BC.

>

> Dr. Vartak admits that he has not found (sic!)the Karka (Cander) and the

> Makara (Capricorn) However, he says that when other ten names are already

> noted and the total number is found to be twelve, these two signs must be

> present in the Rigveda under some other names. Other researchers should try

> hard to find them out. "

>

> End of news items!

>

> *** ***** ***** ***** ****

> ***** **** *****

>

> It is high time that we ask the Swedish Academy to start a " Nobel Prize for

> Vedic Jyotish " and " recommend " the names of such " researchers " and

> " scholars " for the same because, after all, though our " Vedic jyotishis "

> have been practising " Vedic Rashi " based " Vedic jyotish " ever since the

> Greek invasion on India (i.e. about 4th century BCE), obviously, they must

> have been doing so in anticipation of this " discovery " by the " modern Vedic

> Seers " like Dr. Vartak! It is something like the English translator of

> Parashari saying that Brihat Parashari yields best results as per Lahiri

> Ayanamsha, which means Parashara Rishi must have recommended Lahiri

> Ayanamsha more than five thousand years back in anticipation of the birth of

> " almighty Lahiri " ! Thus it is only now that our " modern Vedic Rishis " are

> discovering " Mesha etc. Rashis " in the Vedas, which should also mean that

> since as per the Vedas, the whole universe is " Maya " that is why even

> " Vedic Jyotishis " had been practising such a " Maya " of " Vedic Jyotish " sans

> Vedic Rashis just by dint of their " Maya " !

>

> Why worry about the two " missing Rashis " -- after all it is just like

> turning fiction into facts, and having been " inspired " by Dr. Vartak, some

> other " modern Vedic Rishi " will stake his claim to having " discovered "

> those two Rashis also with his (or will it be her?) Tapasya!

>

> With regards,

>

> Avtar Krishen Kaul

>

> --- End forwarded message ---

>

May 29, 2009

Mr Sunil K. Bhattacharjya Ji is right in saying " the Greek authorities should

also give a prize to Mr. Kaul for trying to glorify the past contributions of

Greece in Astronomy. "

But Mr AK Kaul has not worked on vedanga Jyotisha, he only copies the wrong

ideas of Colebrooke and his chelas. I asked this team to prove that con ditions

described in Vedanga Jyotisha belonged to ~1300 BCE, but in return I received

only abuses. Mr AK Kaul will never be able to compute the date of condistions

described in Vedanga Jyotisha.

The very fact that solar year was divided into 12 solar months in Vedas means

the concept of 12 divisions of zodiac was there.

-VJ

========================= ====

________________________________

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya

vedic_research_institute

Cc: ; ;

indiaarchaeology ; WAVES-Vedic

Thursday, May 28, 2009 7:00:05 PM

Re: [VRI] Fwd: RASHIS IN THE VEDAS --- FACT OR

FICTION!

Dear friends,

It is shameful that Mr. Kaul is conveniently attempting to discard the presence

of the Rarshis in the Veda and the Vedanga Jyotisha. Veda clearly mentions

Mesha, Vrshabha, Mithun, Simha, Kanya, Vrischika and Dhanu and these had been

found before Dr. Vartak's study on it. Dr. Vartak had to my knowledge

identified Anas-Ratha with Tula and Kalasha with Kumbha and I have identified

Brahma Rashi of the Mahabharata with the Makar Rashi mentioned in the Bhagavata

Purana. Meena is clearly mentioned in the Vedanga Jyotisha and Mr. Kaul knows it

as he claims to have read the Vedanga Jyotisha. It not impossible that Shyena of

the Veda became Meena in Vedanga Jyotisha like the Brahma Rashi became Makara

Rashi at the time of the Bhagavata Purana. I fully support Dr. Vartak as he

knows that the Veda itself says that it has Paroksha and Pratyaksha meaning of

the verses, which a shallow person like Kaul does not know. I can assure you my

friends that

Mr. Kaul will try to discredit the Hindu Jyotisha and Veda and Vedanga to his

last breadth and he is taking full advantage of the broad-minded fora to

propagate his anti-Vedic views.

If possible the Swedish Academy should institute a Nobel Prize for falsification

of Veda and Vedanga and recognise the life-time perseverance of Mr. Kaul by

giving such a prize to Kaul for his anti-Hindu-shastra activity of trying to

remove the Rashi from the Veda and Vedanga Jyotisha. I am sure that sooner or

later the knowledgeable Hindus will not tolerate such anti-Hindu activities of

Kaul. He is a back-sheep of the Kashmiri community also as he has been trying to

discredit the antiquity of the traditional Kashmiri Saptarshi calendar, which

was started 25 years after departure of Lord Krishna and hence 61 years after

the Mahabharata war by reducjng the antiquity of the Mahabharata. In fact the

Greek authorities should also give a prize to Mr. Kaul for trying to glorify the

past contributions of Greece in Astronomy.

Regards,

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

--- On Wed, 5/27/09, Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com> wrote:

Avtar Krishen Kaul <jyotirved (AT) sify (DOT) com>

[VRI] Fwd: RASHIS IN THE VEDAS --- FACT OR FICTION!

vedic_research_ institute

Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 10:19 AM

Dear All,

Namaskar!

Here is a self-eloquent copy of #No.1294 dt. 14-10-06 on WAVVES-VEDIC forum.

Regards,

AKK

WAVES-Vedic, " jyotirved " <jyotirved@. ..> wrote:

Dear friends,

Namaste!

The following " News item " in the Astrological Magazine of October 2006, page

904, should be of interest to all of us:

" Dr. P. V. Vartak, researcher in the ancient Indian sciences, was

felicitated on June 3, 2006, by Mr. Chandrakant Shewale under the auspices

of Veda Vigyan Mandal, Pune, for his discovery of the Rashis in the Rig

Veda " .

A similar " news " had appeared in the 'Express Star Teller' of September

2006, page 12:

" Dr. P. V. Vartak is the founder/President of the Veda Vidnyana Mandal,

Pune. According to Dr. Vartak, all the twelve Rasis are recorded in the

Rigveda, the oldest literature of the world. The Rigveda also mentions

twelve 'Figures' in the sky and twelve spokes of a wheel of time. The names

given by the Rigveda to the signs of the Zodiac are descriptive. It

mentions Mesha, (Aries), Vrushabha (Taurus), Mithuna, Simha (Leo), Kanya

(Virgo), Vrischika (Scorpio), Dhanus (Sagittarius) , Kalasha (Aquarius). For

the Pisces or Meena, the Rigveda uses the name 'Shyena' i.e. falcon, the

fastest bird. Dr. Vartak states that in the sky, in the region of Pisces,

we do see a figure made up of stars resembling the figure of a falcon. It

is now called as 'Phoenix'. Rigveda says that the Shyena has only one wing,

and in fact, we see only one wing to that falcon. Tula (Libra) is called by

the name 'Anas-Ratha' , because we can see a pentagon as a cart (Ratha) and a

triangular figure, representing its harness (Anas). It is presently called

as " Boootes', Vrischika is also called as Kumbhaka (which pricks or stings)

or Ibha an elephant. The tail of the celestial scorpion also looks like a

trunk of elephant. Valmiki in his Ramayana calls this as 'Airawata', the

elephant of Lord Indra. It is described to be the eighth Sign of zodiac,

which shows that just like today, Mesha was held as the beginning sign at

the Vernal Equinox and its period was 25740 years BC.

Dr. Vartak admits that he has not found (sic!)the Karka (Cander) and the

Makara (Capricorn) However, he says that when other ten names are already

noted and the total number is found to be twelve, these two signs must be

present in the Rigveda under some other names. Other researchers should try

hard to find them out. "

End of news items!

*** ***** ***** ***** ****

***** **** *****

It is high time that we ask the Swedish Academy to start a " Nobel Prize for

Vedic Jyotish " and " recommend " the names of such " researchers " and

" scholars " for the same because, after all, though our " Vedic jyotishis "

have been practising " Vedic Rashi " based " Vedic jyotish " ever since the

Greek invasion on India (i.e. about 4th century BCE), obviously, they must

have been doing so in anticipation of this " discovery " by the " modern Vedic

Seers " like Dr. Vartak! It is something like the English translator of

Parashari saying that Brihat Parashari yields best results as per Lahiri

Ayanamsha, which means Parashara Rishi must have recommended Lahiri

Ayanamsha more than five thousand years back in anticipation of the birth of

" almighty Lahiri " ! Thus it is only now that our " modern Vedic Rishis " are

discovering " Mesha etc. Rashis " in the Vedas, which should also mean that

since as per the Vedas, the whole universe is " Maya " that is why even

" Vedic Jyotishis " had been practising such a " Maya " of " Vedic Jyotish " sans

Vedic Rashis just by dint of their " Maya " !

Why worry about the two " missing Rashis " -- after all it is just like

turning fiction into facts, and having been " inspired " by Dr. Vartak, some

other " modern Vedic Rishi " will stake his claim to having " discovered "

those two Rashis also with his (or will it be her?) Tapasya!

With regards,

Avtar Krishen Kaul

--- End forwarded message ---

May 29, 2009

Traditional view is that Veda and its parts are apaurusheya.

________________________________

Rohiniranjan <jyotish_vani

Friday, May 29, 2009 7:15:13 AM