Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Dear Mr. Sukranbuddhan, We in this group have consistency maintained that we cannot verify nor predict - either your PAST or FUTURE BIRTHS for there is NO way to confirm them. Hence such topics are NOT discussed for they are better left to those believers. So possibly this thread cannot be taken further. As per Karma Siddhantam{rules} such thing is NOT possible and a complete FAKE. You are advised to keep away from such subjects. Note: There is a "Vedik Healing and Astrology" i.e. a Lunatic Astros Group, where the moderator {Hororscope Certified as a potential Spiritual Guru by Sri P.V.R. Narasimha Rao of JHORA fame - for more details browse & search in "Jyotish Group"} has claimed to remove hororscope "Doshams" by his mere look at the native - I encourage you to visit him with a group of goons and thrash him, if NOT convinced.....for You seem to have right aptitude and knowledgeable plus very very interested in Investigating such fake peculiar things..... start with this person first.... If you are not convinced I will provide you secret access to his group's mails and you can see for yourself - read all his fake, false statements. With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Dear SriRam,sreenadh and all , Thank you for replying. I belive that you have misunderstood my question . The astrologer says that by performing this rite (ie immersing a doll in water along with your dress ) erases your present horoscope. He reasoned out it as when you tie a dress to a doll and put it in a river , it is like symbolically you are dead and hence your present horoscope is gone and you would need a new horoscope and he also told me that ravan had done the same to meghanath . So this is not a topic on past life or on future birth , just the current one. Could you comment on this procedure pls . , " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64 wrote: > > > Dear Mr. Sukranbuddhan, > > We in this group have consistency maintained that we cannot verify nor > predict - either your PAST or FUTURE BIRTHS for there is NO way to > confirm them. Hence such topics are NOT discussed for they are better > left to those believers. So possibly this thread cannot be taken > further. > > As per Karma Siddhantam{rules} such thing is NOT possible and a complete > FAKE. You are advised to keep away from such subjects. > > Note: There is a " Vedik Healing and Astrology " i.e. a > Lunatic Astros Group, where the moderator {Hororscope Certified as a > potential Spiritual Guru by Sri P.V.R. Narasimha Rao of JHORA fame - for > more details browse & search in " Jyotish Group " } has claimed to remove > hororscope " Doshams " by his mere look at the native - I encourage you > to visit him with a group of goons and thrash him, if NOT > convinced.....for You seem to have right aptitude and knowledgeable plus > very very interested in Investigating such fake peculiar things..... > start with this person first.... > > If you are not convinced I will provide you secret access to his group's > mails and you can see for yourself - read all his fake, false > statements. > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2009 Report Share Posted May 29, 2009 Dear Sukhrabuddhan ji,There is no astrological basis of what this astrologer is doing. He or his ancestors might’ve developed this as a belief and people would obviously believe in all sorts of gimmicks to get a small peace of mind. There are many techniques given in classics for lost horoscopy and how to predict when there is no horoscope. Basically I think it is an off-shoot of a prashna technique and the astrologer might be capitalising on the innovative way of dealing with it. On the whole this appears to be an absurd drama and a local stunt to fool the public. About Ravana having done a similar thing with Meghnad, I do not believe anything like this ever happened. Do you think this tradition is prevalent since the times of Ramayana or there has been a revival in modern times? RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Dear Mr. Sukranbuddhan, Whoever has told you that by immersing a doll with your clothes on and then doing a particular right you can nullify your natal horoscope, is probably trying to give you false hopes. However by accepting Sanyasha and doing Atmashraaddha one can live as a Sanyashi and in that case it ican be said that the time of taking sanyasha will be one's new birth time. As Sreeramji said it is not withong the scope of this group to discuss such matters. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Fri, 5/29/09, sukranbuddhan <sukranbuddhan wrote: sukranbuddhan <sukranbuddhan Re: Rebirth of a living person Friday, May 29, 2009, 6:03 AM Dear SriRam,sreenadh and all , Thank you for replying. I belive that you have misunderstood my question . The astrologer says that by performing this rite (ie immersing a doll in water along with your dress ) erases your present horoscope. He reasoned out it as when you tie a dress to a doll and put it in a river , it is like symbolically you are dead and hence your present horoscope is gone and you would need a new horoscope and he also told me that ravan had done the same to meghanath . So this is not a topic on past life or on future birth , just the current one. Could you comment on this procedure pls . ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64@. ..> wrote: > > > Dear Mr. Sukranbuddhan, > > We in this group have consistency maintained that we cannot verify nor > predict - either your PAST or FUTURE BIRTHS for there is NO way to > confirm them. Hence such topics are NOT discussed for they are better > left to those believers. So possibly this thread cannot be taken > further. > > As per Karma Siddhantam{rules} such thing is NOT possible and a complete > FAKE. You are advised to keep away from such subjects. > > Note: There is a " Vedik Healing and Astrology " i.e. a > Lunatic Astros Group, where the moderator {Hororscope Certified as a > potential Spiritual Guru by Sri P.V.R. Narasimha Rao of JHORA fame - for > more details browse & search in " Jyotish Group " } has claimed to remove > hororscope " Doshams " by his mere look at the native - I encourage you > to visit him with a group of goons and thrash him, if NOT > convinced... ..for You seem to have right aptitude and knowledgeable plus > very very interested in Investigating such fake peculiar things..... > start with this person first.... > > If you are not convinced I will provide you secret access to his group's > mails and you can see for yourself - read all his fake, false > statements. > > With regards, > > Sreeram_Srinivas > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 30, 2009 Report Share Posted May 30, 2009 Dear Mr. Sukranbuddhan, Maharishi Parashara and various other seers have made the following very clear: 1. The Kundali (Birth Chart) is a representation of the Prarabdha Karma of THIS birth. So this is what WE (the Big WE(Atma) not the little we(Ego)) has decided in accordance with our Ishtadevata in a pre-birth agreement to go through to resolve past karmic tendencies and also as a means to advance future soul development. The Sanchitha Karma (the reservoir of Karmas) is unkown to Jyotish and kept a secret on purpose. Only self realized Masters have access to this information. 2.It is important to remember this is NOT a simple process (like many misinformed Jyotishis (and non-jyotishis) seem to think. We are not JUST paying for past sins. There would no point in such meaningless divine retribution. Instead we are going through specific, pre-destined MAJOR events in our lives, whereby, we are given an opportunity to overcome past " negative " tendencies and enhance and grow past " positive " tendencies. 3.Suffering and spiritual knowledge go hand in hand. Deep and extended suffering (mental, physical or spiritual or all of the aforementioned) caused by a deep churing of the Karmic ocean has profound significance in teaching us everlasting lessons in compassion(Jupiter), surrender and presistence(Saturn), resilience (Mars), mental equanimity (Moon), quick learning from others mistakes (Mercury) which ultimately leads to the removal of bondage and emergence of our splendorous Atma (through the naisargika Atmakaraka Sun). Human birth is precious. The suffering we go through is even more precious since behind the suffering is a great opportunity. For any to claim that such a profound lesson in living can be undone (or redone) under the Ego's Terms (by whatever gimick of the day) is on a benign level extremely silly and on a non-benign level extremely tragic and manipulative. Beware of such people. There are NO short cuts in life. Hard work, sincerity of purpose, a resilient and grateful heart and above all the grace of the Divine Mother and a Guru is the ONLY sure shot path available to cross the ocean of Samsara. The journey is not easy but the destination is priceless. -Manoj , Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya wrote: > > Dear Mr. Sukranbuddhan, > > Whoever has told you that by immersing a doll with your clothes on and then doing a particular right you can nullify your natal horoscope, is probably trying to give you false hopes. However by accepting Sanyasha and doing Atmashraaddha one can live as a Sanyashi and in that case it ican be said that the time of taking sanyasha will be one's new birth time. As Sreeramji said it is not withong the scope of this group to discuss such matters. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, sukranbuddhan <sukranbuddhan wrote: > > > sukranbuddhan <sukranbuddhan > Re: Rebirth of a living person > > Friday, May 29, 2009, 6:03 AM > > Dear SriRam,sreenadh and all , > Thank you for replying. > I belive that you have misunderstood my question . > The astrologer says that by performing this rite (ie immersing a doll in water along with your dress ) erases your present horoscope. He reasoned out it as when you tie a dress to a doll and put it in a river , it is like symbolically you are dead and hence your present horoscope is gone and you would need a new horoscope and he also told me that ravan had done the same to meghanath . So this is not a topic on past life or on future birth , just the current one. > Could you comment on this procedure pls . > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. Sukranbuddhan, > > > > We in this group have consistency maintained that we cannot verify nor > > predict - either your PAST or FUTURE BIRTHS for there is NO way to > > confirm them. Hence such topics are NOT discussed for they are better > > left to those believers. So possibly this thread cannot be taken > > further. > > > > As per Karma Siddhantam{rules} such thing is NOT possible and a complete > > FAKE. You are advised to keep away from such subjects. > > > > Note: There is a " Vedik Healing and Astrology " i.e. a > > Lunatic Astros Group, where the moderator {Hororscope Certified as a > > potential Spiritual Guru by Sri P.V.R. Narasimha Rao of JHORA fame - for > > more details browse & search in " Jyotish Group " } has claimed to remove > > hororscope " Doshams " by his mere look at the native - I encourage you > > to visit him with a group of goons and thrash him, if NOT > > convinced... ..for You seem to have right aptitude and knowledgeable plus > > very very interested in Investigating such fake peculiar things..... > > start with this person first.... > > > > If you are not convinced I will provide you secret access to his group's > > mails and you can see for yourself - read all his fake, false > > statements. > > > > With regards, > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2009 Report Share Posted May 31, 2009 Dear Friends, Karmaphal cannot be called retribution. Unlike the Semitic religions the Hindu Dharma does not believe in permanent enjoyment in heaven or permanent suffering in hell. One has to have the karmaphal one earned for himself because of one's past karma. But it is not possible to know the details of the past karma. But one can rest assured that no karma goes away without showing its effects sooner or later and that is the Hindu belief. But Lord Krishna tells us that we cannot claim right to the karmaphal as that is not in our hand but the karmaphal will come sooner or later. If one does Niskama karma then one does not have to bother as one will not be affected by the karmaphal. A highly spiritually developed person does niskama karma and his actions do not affect him. Lord Buddha could see his past births but everybody cannot do that to look at the past karmas. It requires sadhana and spiritual progress. To my understanding astrology can give some hint of the past karma but all may not agree to this. Lord krishna had told about the different paths like the karmayioga, Bhaktiyoga and Jnanayoga for crossing the cycle of birth and death. Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya --- On Sat, 5/30/09, Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote: Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Re: Rebirth of a living person Saturday, May 30, 2009, 10:15 AM Dear Mr. Sukranbuddhan, Maharishi Parashara and various other seers have made the following very clear: 1. The Kundali (Birth Chart) is a representation of the Prarabdha Karma of THIS birth. So this is what WE (the Big WE(Atma) not the little we(Ego)) has decided in accordance with our Ishtadevata in a pre-birth agreement to go through to resolve past karmic tendencies and also as a means to advance future soul development. The Sanchitha Karma (the reservoir of Karmas) is unkown to Jyotish and kept a secret on purpose. Only self realized Masters have access to this information. 2.It is important to remember this is NOT a simple process (like many misinformed Jyotishis (and non-jyotishis) seem to think. We are not JUST paying for past sins. There would no point in such meaningless divine retribution. Instead we are going through specific, pre-destined MAJOR events in our lives, whereby, we are given an opportunity to overcome past " negative " tendencies and enhance and grow past " positive " tendencies. 3.Suffering and spiritual knowledge go hand in hand. Deep and extended suffering (mental, physical or spiritual or all of the aforementioned) caused by a deep churing of the Karmic ocean has profound significance in teaching us everlasting lessons in compassion(Jupiter) , surrender and presistence( Saturn), resilience (Mars), mental equanimity (Moon), quick learning from others mistakes (Mercury) which ultimately leads to the removal of bondage and emergence of our splendorous Atma (through the naisargika Atmakaraka Sun). Human birth is precious. The suffering we go through is even more precious since behind the suffering is a great opportunity. For any to claim that such a profound lesson in living can be undone (or redone) under the Ego's Terms (by whatever gimick of the day) is on a benign level extremely silly and on a non-benign level extremely tragic and manipulative. Beware of such people. There are NO short cuts in life. Hard work, sincerity of purpose, a resilient and grateful heart and above all the grace of the Divine Mother and a Guru is the ONLY sure shot path available to cross the ocean of Samsara. The journey is not easy but the destination is priceless. -Manoj ancient_indian_ astrology, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjy a wrote: > > Dear Mr. Sukranbuddhan, > > Whoever has told you that by immersing a doll with your clothes on and then doing a particular right you can nullify your natal horoscope, is probably trying to give you false hopes. However by accepting Sanyasha and doing Atmashraaddha one can live as a Sanyashi and in that case it ican be said that the time of taking sanyasha will be one's new birth time. As Sreeramji said it is not withong the scope of this group to discuss such matters. > > Regards, > > Sunil K. Bhattacharjya > > > --- On Fri, 5/29/09, sukranbuddhan <sukranbuddhan@ ...> wrote: > > > sukranbuddhan <sukranbuddhan@ ...> > [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Rebirth of a living person > ancient_indian_ astrology > Friday, May 29, 2009, 6:03 AM > > Dear SriRam,sreenadh and all , > Thank you for replying. > I belive that you have misunderstood my question . > The astrologer says that by performing this rite (ie immersing a doll in water along with your dress ) erases your present horoscope. He reasoned out it as when you tie a dress to a doll and put it in a river , it is like symbolically you are dead and hence your present horoscope is gone and you would need a new horoscope and he also told me that ravan had done the same to meghanath . So this is not a topic on past life or on future birth , just the current one. > Could you comment on this procedure pls . > > ancient_indian_ astrology, " sreeram srinivas " <sreeram64@ ..> wrote: > > > > > > Dear Mr. Sukranbuddhan, > > > > We in this group have consistency maintained that we cannot verify nor > > predict - either your PAST or FUTURE BIRTHS for there is NO way to > > confirm them. Hence such topics are NOT discussed for they are better > > left to those believers. So possibly this thread cannot be taken > > further. > > > > As per Karma Siddhantam{rules} such thing is NOT possible and a complete > > FAKE. You are advised to keep away from such subjects. > > > > Note: There is a " Vedik Healing and Astrology " i.e. a > > Lunatic Astros Group, where the moderator {Hororscope Certified as a > > potential Spiritual Guru by Sri P.V.R. Narasimha Rao of JHORA fame - for > > more details browse & search in " Jyotish Group " } has claimed to remove > > hororscope " Doshams " by his mere look at the native - I encourage you > > to visit him with a group of goons and thrash him, if NOT > > convinced... ..for You seem to have right aptitude and knowledgeable plus > > very very interested in Investigating such fake peculiar things..... > > start with this person first.... > > > > If you are not convinced I will provide you secret access to his group's > > mails and you can see for yourself - read all his fake, false > > statements. > > > > With regards, > > > > Sreeram_Srinivas > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Dear learned members, Thank you very much for your kind replies. Sunil Sir you had mentioned " However by accepting Sanyasha and doing Atmashraaddha one can live as a Sanyashi and in that case it ican be said that the time of taking sanyasha will be one's new birth time " . Is atma shraddha something like a person performing his own shraadh in which case can the practice of this doll be equated to atmashradh or must it be performed only by great spirtual masters. It would be great if sunil sir could shed some light on this . The explanation by manoj sir is very detailed and helped me to understand the nuances between spirtuality and astrology . Thanking you and looking forward to sunil sirs reply best regards sukran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Dear Mr. Sukrabuddhan, You can consider every morning or everytime you " open your eyes " - can be a new life !! It does not have any astrological basis. As I said before this topic is beyond the interest of this group for it is about Indian philosophy. In short, your query has NO basis in astrology With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Dear Shri Sukranbuddhan, It is said that Adi Sankaracharya had short life and while bathing in a river he was attacked by a crocodile. At that time he told his mother that she should permit him to take Sanyasha as that will give him a new birth. The mother naturally had to agree and the crocodile left him. As regards the initiation procedures to Sanyasha there may be variations. To my knowledge the effigy of the person taking sanyasha is burnt and then he performs his own shraddha. Only the body of a dead person bitten by snake is sent afloat in water, probably in the hope that some mantric somewhere will find the body of the person and restore him to life. Best wishes, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Sun, 5/31/09, sukranbuddhan <sukranbuddhan wrote: sukranbuddhan <sukranbuddhan Re: Rebirth of a living person Date: Sunday, May 31, 2009, 3:06 PM Dear learned members,Thank you very much for your kind replies.Sunil Sir you had mentioned "However by accepting Sanyasha and doing Atmashraaddha one can live as a Sanyashi and in that case it ican be said that the time of taking sanyasha will be one's new birth time". Is atma shraddha something like a person performing his own shraadh in which case can the practice of this doll be equated to atmashradh or must it be performed only by great spirtual masters. It would be great if sunil sir could shed some light on this .The explanation by manoj sir is very detailed and helped me to understand the nuances between spirtuality and astrology .Thanking you and looking forward to sunil sirs replybest regardssukran Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2009 Report Share Posted June 1, 2009 Well siad Sreeram ji, Regs, Anita--- On Mon, 1/6/09, sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 wrote: sreeram srinivas <sreeram64 Re: Rebirth of a living person Date: Monday, 1 June, 2009, 1:09 AM Dear Mr. Sukrabuddhan,You can consider every morning or everytime you "open your eyes" - canbe a new life !! It does not have any astrological basis. As I saidbefore this topic is beyond the interest of this group for it is aboutIndian philosophy. In short, your query has NO basis in astrologyWith regards,Sreeram_Srinivas Share files, take polls, and make new friends - all under one roof. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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