Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 hello neelamji,manojji and all other group memebrs,i somehow read in the threads on tri-shad-aya that saturn in 6th house wont give good results bcoz it was will cast its drashti over 8th hhouse,12th house,3rd house which are all dusthanas and therefore give the native more grief with respects to the significations of this dusthanas..but before 2/3 days ago i was reading Shri Sanjay Rath ji's papers on indian constitution where also shani is placed in 6th house and he cited that shani in 6th house does have an amrit drishti ,that is it drishti on all this dusthanas tries to destroy this dusthanas and promote the overall quality of the chart..so i am quite confuised whther to count this shani's drishti as good for the native or bad for the native.coming on to my personal experiencesI myself have shani in 6th house (mesha lagna ) and i can steal your words my life till date has been like a troubleshooting experience whereby one after another troubles keep arising before i have shooted them .my shaini is sthan vargottam in navmansha too in its own makar rashi..i seek the wisdom of the group members that the diff sets of problems can be attributed to this shani's 6th house placement or as shri Rathji suggests it truly carrie an amrit drishti and the problems can be attributed to weaknesses of other grahas.best wishesDeepen ..--- On Tue, 2/6/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: Saturn 3rd house Neecha in 6th for Scorpio Lagna Date: Tuesday, 2 June, 2009, 11:25 AM Dear Manoj ji, Dear Manoj ji,Glad that your attention drifted and it’s a pleasure to share this platform with the learned and knowledgeable. We welcome you on board, please share freely whether we agree or disagree, its learning both ways. //Since 6th house is 12th from the 7th and due to Saturns aspect on the 12th from the Lagna (as correctly pointed out by you), it also possible for married people to be physically (or otherwise) separated fom their spouse. This is a very difficult position for conjugal harmony, unless some exceptional alleviating factors are present.// Just an extended thought on this, if you don’t mind. Venus governs both 7H and 12H, Saturn being friendly to these houses for scorpio lagna, may act a little differently I feel. What is not good for lagna, is good for 7H, isn’t it? Saturn would be like a foolish friend! Misguiding the partner may be! When Saturn is neecha in 6H, it could even suppress the 6H results of actual separation and by its aspect on its exalted sign of libra, it could, in a way support the 12H. Some harder lessons there for the Venusian spouses? Thanks for sharing, I agree with you. RegardsNeelam Explore and discover exciting holidays and getaways with India Travel Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Dear Neelamji, Before you answer this, or if you intend to answer this, kindly reckon what is this, which I cant understand. " I myself have shani in 6th house (mesha lagna ) and i can steal your words my life till date has been like a troubleshooting experience whereby one after another troubles keep arising before i have shooted them .my shaini is sthan vargottam in navmansha too in its own makar rashi.. " Shani in 6th house in Mesha Lagna he says, so it should be Virgo. Then what is this Vargottama Shani thing in Makar rashi ? I got confused . regards/Bhaskar. , deepen thakkar <justcoolout wrote: > > hello neelamji,manojji and all other group memebrs, > > i somehow read in the threads on tri-shad-aya that saturn in 6th house wont give good results bcoz it was will cast its drashti over 8th hhouse,12th house,3rd house which are all dusthanas and therefore give the native more grief with respects to the significations of this dusthanas.. > but before 2/3 days ago i was reading Shri Sanjay Rath ji's papers on indian constitution where also shani is placed in 6th house and he cited that shani in 6th house does have an amrit drishti ,that is it drishti on all this dusthanas tries to destroy this dusthanas and promote the overall quality of the chart.. > so i am quite confuised whther to count this shani's drishti as good for the native or bad for the native. > coming on to my personal experiences > I myself have shani in 6th house (mesha lagna ) and i can steal your words my life till date has been like a troubleshooting experience whereby one after another troubles keep arising before i have shooted them .my shaini is sthan vargottam in navmansha too in its own makar rashi.. > i seek the wisdom of the group members that the diff sets of problems can be attributed to this shani's 6th house placement or as shri Rathji suggests it truly carrie an amrit drishti and the problems can be attributed to weaknesses of other grahas. > best wishes > Deepen . > > > --- On Tue, 2/6/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07 wrote: > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07 > Re: Re: Saturn 3rd house Neecha in 6th for Scorpio Lagna > > Tuesday, 2 June, 2009, 11:25 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > Dear Manoj ji, > Glad that your attention > drifted and it’s a pleasure to share this platform with the learned and knowledgeable. > We welcome you on board, please share freely whether we agree or disagree, its > learning both ways. > > //Since 6th house is > 12th from the 7th and due to Saturns aspect on the 12th from the Lagna (as > correctly pointed out by you), it also possible for married people to be > physically (or otherwise) separated fom their spouse. This is a very difficult position > for conjugal harmony, unless some exceptional alleviating factors are present.// > > Just an extended thought > on this, if you don’t mind. Venus governs both 7H and 12H, Saturn being > friendly to these houses for scorpio lagna, may act a little differently I feel. > What is not good for lagna, is good for 7H, isn’t it? Saturn would be like a foolish > friend! Misguiding the partner may be! When Saturn is neecha in 6H, it could even suppress the 6H results of actual separation and by its aspect on its > exalted sign of libra, it could, in a way support the 12H. Some harder lessons > there for the Venusian spouses? > > Thanks for sharing, I agree with you. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to http://in.promos./groups/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Dear Bhaskar ji,You are right. He must clarify this point. However, I have never understood this vish-amrit point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Dear Neelamji, Saturn in 6th house may have good and bad effects as you have explained earlier, even with a neechabhanga yoga with Saturn being the owner of the 3rd house. Will the presence of some grahas in the 3rd and the 6th house not alter the scene. In the Jatak, which I referred to, where the 3rd house owner Saturn is in the 6th house, has the 3rd house occupied by Venus and Moon. Secondly I read that Lord Krishna also had Saturn in the 6th house. Any comment? Regards, Sunil K. Bhattacharjya--- On Sat, 6/6/09, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: neelam gupta <neelamgupta07Re: Re: shani 6th house,good or bad? Date: Saturday, June 6, 2009, 6:53 AM Dear Bhaskar ji,You are right. He must clarify this point. However, I have never understood this vish-amrit point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 dear deepen Thakur ji can u pls post the article of sanjay ji here rgrds sunil nair , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote:>> Dear Bhaskar ji,> > You are right. He must clarify this point.> > However, I have never understood this vish-amrit point. Amrit and Vish are> just words which may differ only with contextual references.> > One eats sweets thinking it is amrit and turns our to be vish.> One enjoys life and not work hard in prime years, which is like amrit, but> it makes life vish for ever.> Same drug can be used to save life and to kill.> Same chemical when produced by a germ kills, but when used to give immunity> through vaccination, becomes amrit.> > They are only two sides of the same coin, the polarity of our life. Without> one, the other cannot exist. The planets only show us this reality in> different ways.> > Regards> Neelam> > > 2009/6/6 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > >> >> >> > Dear Neelamji,> >> > Before you answer this, or if you intend to answer this, kindly reckon> > what is this, which I cant understand.> >> >> > "I myself have shani in 6th house (mesha lagna ) and i can steal your> > words my life till date has been like a troubleshooting experience> > whereby one after another troubles keep arising before i have shooted> > them .my shaini is sthan vargottam in navmansha too in its own> > makar rashi.."> >> > Shani in 6th house in Mesha Lagna he says, so it should be Virgo. Then> > what is this Vargottama Shani thing in Makar rashi ?> >> > I got confused .> >> > regards/Bhaskar.> >> > <%40>,> > deepen thakkar> > justcoolout@ wrote:> > >> > > hello neelamji,manojji and all other group memebrs,> > >> > > i somehow read in the threads on tri-shad-aya that saturn in 6th> > house wont give good results bcoz it was will cast its drashti over 8th> > hhouse,12th house,3rd house which are all dusthanas and therefore give> > the native more grief with respects to the significations of this> > dusthanas..> > > but before 2/3 days ago i was reading Shri Sanjay Rath ji's papers on> > indian constitution where also shani is placed in 6th house and he cited> > that shani in 6th house does have an amrit drishti ,that is it drishti> > on all this dusthanas tries to destroy this dusthanas and promote the> > overall quality of the chart..> > > so i am quite confuised whther to count this shani's drishti as good> > for the native or bad for the native.> > > coming on to my personal experiences> > > I myself have shani in 6th house (mesha lagna ) and i can steal your> > words my life till date has been like a troubleshooting experience> > whereby one after another troubles keep arising before i have shooted> > them .my shaini is sthan vargottam in navmansha too in its> > own makar rashi..> > > i seek the wisdom of the group members that the diff sets of problems> > can be attributed to this shani's 6th house placement or as shri Rathji> > suggests it truly carrie an amrit drishti and the problems can be> > attributed to weaknesses of other grahas.> > > best wishes> > > Deepen .> > >> > >> > > --- On Tue, 2/6/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote:> > >> > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@> > > Re: Re: Saturn 3rd house Neecha in> > 6th for Scorpio Lagna> > > <%40>> > > Tuesday, 2 June, 2009, 11:25 AM> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Dear Manoj ji,> > >> > > Dear Manoj ji,> > > Glad that your attention> > > drifted and it’s a pleasure to share this platform with the> > learned and knowledgeable.> > > We welcome you on board, please share freely whether we agree or> > disagree, its> > > learning both ways.> > >> > > //Since 6th house is> > > 12th from the 7th and due to Saturns aspect on the 12th from the Lagna> > (as> > > correctly pointed out by you), it also possible for married people to> > be> > > physically (or otherwise) separated fom their spouse. This is a very> > difficult position> > > for conjugal harmony, unless some exceptional alleviating factors are> > present.//> > >> > > Just an extended thought> > > on this, if you don’t mind. Venus governs both 7H and 12H,> > Saturn being> > > friendly to these houses for scorpio lagna, may act a little> > differently I feel.> > > What is not good for lagna, is good for 7H, isn’t it?> > Saturn would be like a foolish> > > friend! Misguiding the partner may be! When Saturn is neecha in 6H, it> > could even suppress the 6H results of actual separation and by its> > aspect on its> > > exalted sign of libra, it could, in a way support the 12H. Some harder> > lessons> > > there for the Venusian spouses?> > >> > > Thanks for sharing, I agree with you.> > >> > > Regards> > > Neelam> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to> > http://in.promos./groups/> > >> >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Dear Sunil ji,What we discussed was the general behaviour of a neecha Saturn in 6H. Saturn’s results can be affected by its sign, conjunctions and aspects on it. Saturn becomes the dispositor and venus and moon get coloured by Saturn. If planets exist in 3H, results of 3H and not of Saturn, would be moderated by the planets posited in this house. Venus and moon will come under the influence of this Saturn who also aspects them. Moon is 9L and venus is 7/12L, and depending on the dashas in operation we can judge their results. In makar these planets will get the star lordship of sun, moon and mars which will also bring their own area of influence. A careful synthesis has to be done. A typical condition would be, if dasha permits (may not be true in this case), the native will be interested in marrying a neighbour/relative and Saturn will create obstacles and make things difficult, even scandalous if 8L/mars/ketu get involved, and success would depend on the strength of moon. Lord Krishna’s horoscope by Surdas is said to have 5 exalted planets, with Saturn and Venus in libra in 6H. But I am sorry, I have never tried to analyse Shri Krishna’s or Shri Rama’s horoscopes. Who they were and what they did is beyond our comprehension and does not fall under the astrology that we are playing with. Other learned members may share their views on this.RegardsNeelam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Dear Neelamji, I have not even read or heard about such attributions " Vish-Amrit " so no question of understanding for me. In this field of astrology anyone is free to discover, write, attribute, deduce, invent, re-invent, modify the existing literature available, with no one to object or do anything about it, because no rules, no regulations, no Governing Regulatory body in this particular field of Education. Probably the name of the writer under reference was given for us to solicit some comments which may later be the cause to be used against our ownselves to........... The explanations you gave are what I too mantain about the Grahas. The Sun can give Life, and can also kill. So is the same with all other planets. They all possess dual powers both to pacify-reward and torment-punish . It all depends on which ones we invite as per our actions. I am never interested in these new theories thrown around these days to make oneself look spectacular and different and to project that " I know better than the rest " . I rather not twist, add, substract, or modify what is been given to us by the Rishis and then project it to the public as " Guru Parampara " knowledge like many so called Spiritual Astrologer Masters are into. I know that most of these writers of fat books sold at high prices dont even know to predict simple matters. regards, Bhaskar. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Bhaskar ji, > > You are right. He must clarify this point. > > However, I have never understood this vish-amrit point. Amrit and Vish are > just words which may differ only with contextual references. > > One eats sweets thinking it is amrit and turns our to be vish. > One enjoys life and not work hard in prime years, which is like amrit, but > it makes life vish for ever. > Same drug can be used to save life and to kill. > Same chemical when produced by a germ kills, but when used to give immunity > through vaccination, becomes amrit. > > They are only two sides of the same coin, the polarity of our life. Without > one, the other cannot exist. The planets only show us this reality in > different ways. > > Regards > Neelam > > > 2009/6/6 Bhaskar bhaskar_jyotish > > > > > > > > > Dear Neelamji, > > > > Before you answer this, or if you intend to answer this, kindly reckon > > what is this, which I cant understand. > > > > > > " I myself have shani in 6th house (mesha lagna ) and i can steal your > > words my life till date has been like a troubleshooting experience > > whereby one after another troubles keep arising before i have shooted > > them .my shaini is sthan vargottam in navmansha too in its own > > makar rashi.. " > > > > Shani in 6th house in Mesha Lagna he says, so it should be Virgo. Then > > what is this Vargottama Shani thing in Makar rashi ? > > > > I got confused . > > > > regards/Bhaskar. > > > > --- In <%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > > deepen thakkar > > justcoolout@ wrote: > > > > > > hello neelamji,manojji and all other group memebrs, > > > > > > i somehow read in the threads on tri-shad-aya that saturn in 6th > > house wont give good results bcoz it was will cast its drashti over 8th > > hhouse,12th house,3rd house which are all dusthanas and therefore give > > the native more grief with respects to the significations of this > > dusthanas.. > > > but before 2/3 days ago i was reading Shri Sanjay Rath ji's papers on > > indian constitution where also shani is placed in 6th house and he cited > > that shani in 6th house does have an amrit drishti ,that is it drishti > > on all this dusthanas tries to destroy this dusthanas and promote the > > overall quality of the chart.. > > > so i am quite confuised whther to count this shani's drishti as good > > for the native or bad for the native. > > > coming on to my personal experiences > > > I myself have shani in 6th house (mesha lagna ) and i can steal your > > words my life till date has been like a troubleshooting experience > > whereby one after another troubles keep arising before i have shooted > > them .my shaini is sthan vargottam in navmansha too in its > > own makar rashi.. > > > i seek the wisdom of the group members that the diff sets of problems > > can be attributed to this shani's 6th house placement or as shri Rathji > > suggests it truly carrie an amrit drishti and the problems can be > > attributed to weaknesses of other grahas. > > > best wishes > > > Deepen . > > > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 2/6/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ wrote: > > > > > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ > > > Re: Re: Saturn 3rd house Neecha in > > 6th for Scorpio Lagna > > > To: <%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > > Tuesday, 2 June, 2009, 11:25 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > > Glad that your attention > > > drifted and it’s a pleasure to share this platform with the > > learned and knowledgeable. > > > We welcome you on board, please share freely whether we agree or > > disagree, its > > > learning both ways. > > > > > > //Since 6th house is > > > 12th from the 7th and due to Saturns aspect on the 12th from the Lagna > > (as > > > correctly pointed out by you), it also possible for married people to > > be > > > physically (or otherwise) separated fom their spouse. This is a very > > difficult position > > > for conjugal harmony, unless some exceptional alleviating factors are > > present.// > > > > > > Just an extended thought > > > on this, if you don’t mind. Venus governs both 7H and 12H, > > Saturn being > > > friendly to these houses for scorpio lagna, may act a little > > differently I feel. > > > What is not good for lagna, is good for 7H, isn’t it? > > Saturn would be like a foolish > > > friend! Misguiding the partner may be! When Saturn is neecha in 6H, it > > could even suppress the 6H results of actual separation and by its > > aspect on its > > > exalted sign of libra, it could, in a way support the 12H. Some harder > > lessons > > > there for the Venusian spouses? > > > > > > Thanks for sharing, I agree with you. > > > > > > Regards > > > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to > > http://in.promos./groups/ > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Dear Neelam ji, // But I am sorry, I have never tried to analyse Shri Krishna's or Shri Rama's horoscopes. Who they were and what they did is beyond our comprehension and does not fall under the astrology that we are playing with. // Neither have I ever tried to analyse, study or put these to any inspection or any kind of srcutiny, observations or dissection, for the same reasons you give. regards/Bhaskar. , neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 wrote: > > Dear Sunil ji, > > What we discussed was the general behaviour of a neecha Saturn in 6H. > Saturn's results can be affected by its sign, conjunctions and aspects on > it. Saturn becomes the dispositor and venus and moon get coloured by Saturn. > If planets exist in 3H, results of 3H and not of Saturn, would be moderated > by the planets posited in this house. Venus and moon will come under the > influence of this Saturn who also aspects them. Moon is 9L and venus is > 7/12L, and depending on the dashas in operation we can judge their results. > In makar these planets will get the star lordship of sun, moon and mars > which will also bring their own area of influence. A careful synthesis has > to be done. A typical condition would be, if dasha permits (may not be true > in this case), the native will be interested in marrying a > neighbour/relative and Saturn will create obstacles and make things > difficult, even scandalous if 8L/mars/ketu get involved, and success would > depend on the strength of moon. > > Lord Krishna's horoscope by Surdas is said to have 5 exalted planets, with > Saturn and Venus in libra in 6H. But I am sorry, I have never tried to > analyse Shri Krishna's or Shri Rama's horoscopes. Who they were and what > they did is beyond our comprehension and does not fall under the astrology > that we are playing with. > > Other learned members may share their views on this. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Dear Neelam Ji, Bhaskar Ji, You are so correct. How can we who are under the influence of Maya of space and time judge the chart of the Lord who is beyond such dualities? But I did learn an interesting astrological lesson from Lord Rama's chart. If I remember correctly I think all of his planets were exalted. But we all know he had a pretty tough life (atleast on the material terms). So that is a lesson that "exalted" does not always been "pleasant". Regards, -Manoj Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 8:24:40 AM Re: shani 6th house,good or bad? Dear Neelam ji,// But I am sorry, I have never tried to analyse Shri Krishna's orShri Rama's horoscopes. Who they were and what they did is beyondour comprehension and does not fall under the astrology that we areplaying with. //Neither have I ever tried to analyse, study or put these to anyinspection or any kind of srcutiny, observations or dissection, for thesame reasons you give.regards/Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta<neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,>> What we discussed was the general behaviour of a neecha Saturn in 6H.> Saturn's results can be affected by its sign, conjunctions andaspects on> it. Saturn becomes the dispositor and venus and moon get coloured bySaturn.> If planets exist in 3H, results of 3H and not of Saturn, would bemoderated> by the planets posited in this house. Venus and moon will come underthe> influence of this Saturn who also aspects them. Moon is 9L and venusis> 7/12L, and depending on the dashas in operation we can judge theirresults.> In makar these planets will get the star lordship of sun, moon andmars> which will also bring their own area of influence. A careful synthesishas> to be done. A typical condition would be, if dasha permits (may not betrue> in this case), the native will be interested in marrying a> neighbour/relative and Saturn will create obstacles and make things> difficult, even scandalous if 8L/mars/ketu get involved, and successwould> depend on the strength of moon.>> Lord Krishna's horoscope by Surdas is said to have 5 exaltedplanets, with> Saturn and Venus in libra in 6H. But I am sorry, I have never tried to> analyse Shri Krishna's or Shri Rama's horoscopes. Who theywere and what> they did is beyond our comprehension and does not fall under theastrology> that we are playing with.>> Other learned members may share their views on this.>> Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 If that is so Manoj ji, Lord Krishna also had 5 exalted planets but his life didn't have the kind of hardships that Rama's life had.Just a thought! 2009/6/6 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj Dear Neelam Ji, Bhaskar Ji, You are so correct. How can we who are under the influence of Maya of space and time judge the chart of the Lord who is beyond such dualities? But I did learn an interesting astrological lesson from Lord Rama's chart. If I remember correctly I think all of his planets were exalted. But we all know he had a pretty tough life (atleast on the material terms). So that is a lesson that " exalted " does not always been " pleasant " . Regards, -Manoj Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Saturday, June 6, 2009 8:24:40 AM Re: shani 6th house,good or bad? Dear Neelam ji,// But I am sorry, I have never tried to analyse Shri Krishna's orShri Rama's horoscopes. Who they were and what they did is beyondour comprehension and does not fall under the astrology that we are playing with. //Neither have I ever tried to analyse, study or put these to anyinspection or any kind of srcutiny, observations or dissection, for thesame reasons you give.regards/Bhaskar.ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:>> Dear Sunil ji,>> What we discussed was the general behaviour of a neecha Saturn in 6H.> Saturn's results can be affected by its sign, conjunctions and aspects on> it. Saturn becomes the dispositor and venus and moon get coloured bySaturn.> If planets exist in 3H, results of 3H and not of Saturn, would bemoderated> by the planets posited in this house. Venus and moon will come underthe> influence of this Saturn who also aspects them. Moon is 9L and venus is> 7/12L, and depending on the dashas in operation we can judge theirresults.> In makar these planets will get the star lordship of sun, moon andmars> which will also bring their own area of influence. A careful synthesis has> to be done. A typical condition would be, if dasha permits (may not betrue> in this case), the native will be interested in marrying a> neighbour/relative and Saturn will create obstacles and make things > difficult, even scandalous if 8L/mars/ketu get involved, and successwould> depend on the strength of moon.>> Lord Krishna's horoscope by Surdas is said to have 5 exaltedplanets, with> Saturn and Venus in libra in 6H. But I am sorry, I have never tried to> analyse Shri Krishna's or Shri Rama's horoscopes. Who theywere and what> they did is beyond our comprehension and does not fall under the astrology> that we are playing with.>> Other learned members may share their views on this.>> Regards> Neelam> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 "I myself have shani in 6th house (mesha lagna ) and i can steal your words my life till date has been like a troubleshooting experience whereby one after another troubles keep arising before i have shooted them :)i am sorry for the typo here i can steal ms. neelam'words as somewhere in the threads did she mentioned that shani in 3rd,6th house gives native problems arising of labour strikes ,healt concerns etc. etc.. and the persone spends his life basically in troubleshooting..i meant that .sorry for using the fussy language that was hard to comprehend.i have sthana vargottam shani,by sthan vargottam i mean shani occupies the 6th house in lagna chart as well as in navmanshain lagna its in kanya and in navmansha its in makar.sorry for the confusion and hope that i have made my points clear.as far as shri rathji's articles is concernd i will provide the appropriate links tom. as i will have to search it again..regardsdeepen--- On Sat, 6/6/09, Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish (AT) (DOT) co.in> wrote:Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish Re: shani 6th house,good or bad? Date: Saturday, 6 June, 2009, 7:08 PM Dear Neelamji, Before you answer this, or if you intend to answer this, kindly reckon what is this, which I cant understand. "I myself have shani in 6th house (mesha lagna ) and i can steal your words my life till date has been like a troubleshooting experience whereby one after another troubles keep arising before i have shooted them .my shaini is sthan vargottam in navmansha too in its own makar rashi.." Shani in 6th house in Mesha Lagna he says, so it should be Virgo. Then what is this Vargottama Shani thing in Makar rashi ? I got confused . regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, deepen thakkar <justcoolout@ ...> wrote: > > hello neelamji,manojji and all other group memebrs, > > i somehow read in the threads on tri-shad-aya that saturn in 6th house wont give good results bcoz it was will cast its drashti over 8th hhouse,12th house,3rd house which are all dusthanas and therefore give the native more grief with respects to the significations of this dusthanas.. > but before 2/3 days ago i was reading Shri Sanjay Rath ji's papers on indian constitution where also shani is placed in 6th house and he cited that shani in 6th house does have an amrit drishti ,that is it drishti on all this dusthanas tries to destroy this dusthanas and promote the overall quality of the chart.. > so i am quite confuised whther to count this shani's drishti as good for the native or bad for the native. > coming on to my personal experiences > I myself have shani in 6th house (mesha lagna ) and i can steal your words my life till date has been like a troubleshooting experience whereby one after another troubles keep arising before i have shooted them .my shaini is sthan vargottam in navmansha too in its own makar rashi.. > i seek the wisdom of the group members that the diff sets of problems can be attributed to this shani's 6th house placement or as shri Rathji suggests it truly carrie an amrit drishti and the problems can be attributed to weaknesses of other grahas. > best wishes > Deepen . > > > --- On Tue, 2/6/09, neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... wrote: > > neelam gupta neelamgupta07@ ... > Re: [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: Saturn 3rd house Neecha in 6th for Scorpio Lagna > ancient_indian_ astrology > Tuesday, 2 June, 2009, 11:25 AM > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Manoj ji, > > Dear Manoj ji, > Glad that your attention > drifted and it’s a pleasure to share this platform with the learned and knowledgeable. > We welcome you on board, please share freely whether we agree or disagree, its > learning both ways. > > //Since 6th house is > 12th from the 7th and due to Saturns aspect on the 12th from the Lagna (as > correctly pointed out by you), it also possible for married people to be > physically (or otherwise) separated fom their spouse. This is a very difficult position > for conjugal harmony, unless some exceptional alleviating factors are present.// > > Just an extended thought > on this, if you don’t mind. Venus governs both 7H and 12H, Saturn being > friendly to these houses for scorpio lagna, may act a little differently I feel. > What is not good for lagna, is good for 7H, isn’t it? Saturn would be like a foolish > friend! Misguiding the partner may be! When Saturn is neecha in 6H, it could even suppress the 6H results of actual separation and by its aspect on its > exalted sign of libra, it could, in a way support the 12H. Some harder lessons > there for the Venusian spouses? > > Thanks for sharing, I agree with you. > > Regards > Neelam > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to http://in.promos. / groups/ > Cricket on your mind? Visit the ultimate cricket website.. Enter now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Neelam Ji, Good Point, which is why I worded it carefully (although there was a typo). I said " it does not always mean a pleasant life, but some times it can be pleasant " . However I have to question if Lord Krishna did really have a very pleasant life (although compared to Lord Rama it was more pleasant). He had to kill his own uncle, ended up killing many of his relatives and by the time every thing was said and done, most of his race was gone !!! But your bigger point is noted and acknowledged. Which is why I cannot fathom the arrogance of some astrologers these days, pretending to " know all and be all " . Glad to be in a group that is refreshingly different. Regards, -Manoj ________________________________ neelam gupta <neelamgupta07 Saturday, June 6, 2009 8:54:05 AM Re: Re: shani 6th house,good or bad? If that is so Manoj ji, Lord Krishna also had 5 exalted planets but his life didn't have the kind of hardships that Rama's life had. Just a thought! 2009/6/6 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ > Dear Neelam Ji, Bhaskar Ji, You are so correct. How can we who are under the influence of Maya of space and time judge the chart of the Lord who is beyond such dualities? But I did learn an interesting astrological lesson from Lord Rama's chart. If I remember correctly I think all of his planets were exalted. But we all know he had a pretty tough life (atleast on the material terms). So that is a lesson that " exalted " does not always been " pleasant " . Regards, -Manoj ________________________________ Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in> ancient_indian_ astrology Saturday, June 6, 2009 8:24:40 AM [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: shani 6th house,good or bad? Dear Neelam ji, // But I am sorry, I have never tried to analyse Shri Krishna's or Shri Rama's horoscopes. Who they were and what they did is beyond our comprehension and does not fall under the astrology that we are playing with. // Neither have I ever tried to analyse, study or put these to any inspection or any kind of srcutiny, observations or dissection, for the same reasons you give. regards/Bhaskar. ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote: > > Dear Sunil ji, > > What we discussed was the general behaviour of a neecha Saturn in 6H. > Saturn's results can be affected by its sign, conjunctions and aspects on > it. Saturn becomes the dispositor and venus and moon get coloured by Saturn. > If planets exist in 3H, results of 3H and not of Saturn, would be moderated > by the planets posited in this house. Venus and moon will come under the > influence of this Saturn who also aspects them. Moon is 9L and venus is > 7/12L, and depending on the dashas in operation we can judge their results. > In makar these planets will get the star lordship of sun, moon and mars > which will also bring their own area of influence. A careful synthesis has > to be done. A typical condition would be, if dasha permits (may not be true > in this case), the native will be interested in marrying a > neighbour/relative and Saturn will create obstacles and make things > difficult, even scandalous if 8L/mars/ketu get involved, and success would > depend on the strength of moon. > > Lord Krishna's horoscope by Surdas is said to have 5 exalted planets, with > Saturn and Venus in libra in 6H. But I am sorry, I have never tried to > analyse Shri Krishna's or Shri Rama's horoscopes. Who they were and what > they did is beyond our comprehension and does not fall under the astrology > that we are playing with. > > Other learned members may share their views on this. > > Regards > Neelam > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 6, 2009 Report Share Posted June 6, 2009 Dear Manoj ji, // However I have to question if Lord Krishna did really have a verypleasant life (although compared to Lord Rama it was more pleasant). He had tokill his own uncle, ended up killing many of his relatives and by the time everything was said and done, most of his race was gone !!! // We can never know what is pleasant for us and what is pleasant for Avatars. Our definitions of pleasure and pains may be different their theirs. For instance 16ooo odd wives may be an ordinary Leela for the Lord, but for us to handle more than one wife may become a pain. Krishna was born on Earth to kill His Uncle and also cleanse other evils. How do you know that what you call as Krishna "killing" His Uncle was not actually Granting Moksha to His Uncle and in fact was a "blessing" ??? We have all the answers about His Race Why it had to go, what were the reasons etc. so nothing wrong about it, considering from a humans limited power of imaginations and brainwork. But actually we are not equipped to fathom the ways of the Lord, our perception levels are not evry clear of the ways of the Gods, and which is why we may think that Krishna killing Kamsa, Shishupala etc. was actually wrong when in fact it was not. The gathering at Sitas Swayamwar , each of them saw and thought of Sita with his limited perceptions, is mentioned in the Ramayana. Some saw her as a Heavenly angel, others as a Great princess, others as a unattainable beauty, others saw her with lust. Each man with his limited power and way of perception thought differently. So are we mortals, who some find Rama or Krishna ethical, some not, some see him killing his own Uncle, some see Him as destroying evil, some see him as granting Moksha to his Uncle, so on and so forth. there is no end to such discussions, We better concentrate on astrology for which too we may not be well equipped in the final count. God knows better. regards/Bhaskar. , Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj wrote:>> Neelam Ji,> > Good Point, which is why I worded it carefully (although there was a typo). I said "it does not always mean a pleasant life, but some times it can be pleasant". However I have to question if Lord Krishna did really have a very pleasant life (although compared to Lord Rama it was more pleasant). He had to kill his own uncle, ended up killing many of his relatives and by the time every thing was said and done, most of his race was gone !!!> > But your bigger point is noted and acknowledged. Which is why I cannot fathom the arrogance of some astrologers these days, pretending to "know all and be all". Glad to be in a group that is refreshingly different.> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > ________________________________> neelam gupta neelamgupta07 > Saturday, June 6, 2009 8:54:05 AM> Re: Re: shani 6th house,good or bad?> > > If that is so Manoj ji, Lord Krishna also had 5 exalted planets but his life didn't have the kind of hardships that Rama's life had.> Just a thought!> > > > 2009/6/6 Manoj Chandran <chandran_manoj@ >> > > > > Dear Neelam Ji, Bhaskar Ji,> > You are so correct. How can we who are under the influence of Maya of space and time judge the chart of the Lord who is beyond such dualities? But I did learn an interesting astrological lesson from Lord Rama's chart. If I remember correctly I think all of his planets were exalted. But we all know he had a pretty tough life (atleast on the material terms). So that is a lesson that "exalted" does not always been "pleasant".> > Regards,> > -Manoj> > > > > ________________________________> Bhaskar <bhaskar_jyotish@ .co. in>> ancient_indian_ astrology> Saturday, June 6, 2009 8:24:40 AM> [ancient_indian_ astrology] Re: shani 6th house,good or bad?> > > > > Dear Neelam ji,> > // But I am sorry, I have never tried to analyse Shri Krishna's or> Shri Rama's horoscopes. Who they were and what they did is beyond> our comprehension and does not fall under the astrology that we are> playing with. //> > Neither have I ever tried to analyse, study or put these to any> inspection or any kind of srcutiny, observations or dissection, for the> same reasons you give.> > regards/Bhaskar.> > ancient_indian_ astrology, neelam gupta> <neelamgupta07@ ...> wrote:> >> > Dear Sunil ji,> >> > What we discussed was the general behaviour of a neecha Saturn in 6H.> > Saturn's results can be affected by its sign, conjunctions and> aspects on> > it. Saturn becomes the dispositor and venus and moon get coloured by> Saturn.> > If planets exist in 3H, results of 3H and not of Saturn, would be> moderated> > by the planets posited in this house. Venus and moon will come under> the> > influence of this Saturn who also aspects them. Moon is 9L and venus> is> > 7/12L, and depending on the dashas in operation we can judge their> results.> > In makar these planets will get the star lordship of sun, moon and> mars> > which will also bring their own area of influence. A careful synthesis> has> > to be done. A typical condition would be, if dasha permits (may not be> true> > in this case), the native will be interested in marrying a> > neighbour/relative and Saturn will create obstacles and make things> > difficult, even scandalous if 8L/mars/ketu get involved, and success> would> > depend on the strength of moon.> >> > Lord Krishna's horoscope by Surdas is said to have 5 exalted> planets, with> > Saturn and Venus in libra in 6H. But I am sorry, I have never tried to> > analyse Shri Krishna's or Shri Rama's horoscopes. Who they> were and what> > they did is beyond our comprehension and does not fall under the> astrology> > that we are playing with.> >> > Other learned members may share their views on this.> >> > Regards> > Neelam> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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