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Dear Shri Ujjagar Singhji and the learned Vedic scholars

 

Kindly look at the following:

 

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To impute ignorance of knowledge of puranas to all these scholars shows the intentions of “Vedic astrologersâ€---they are none too honest!

 

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I think the scholars like S.B.Dixit, T.S.Kupunna Sastry, Meghnad Saha, S.K.Chatterjee and .K.Bag are honest persons and not hypocrites. If they would have read the Puranas they would have definitely found the Rashis mentioned there and would not have said that the Rashis are not there in the Vedic loiterature. Chandogya and Brhadaranyaka Upanishads call the Puranas as the Fifth Veda. The Mahabharata tells us that there is an injunction that one must read the Puranas before reading the Vedas. Now in the light of this kindly also judge for yourself whether these scholars have read the Vedas or not. I am not casting any aspersions on these scholars. I am telling what the logical conclusion anybody can draw with an objective frame of mind. If there is any fault in the logic kindly do not hesitate to point that out and I shall be grateful to you for that.

 

Previously I submitted several references from the Veda and Vedanga jyotisha on the presence of Rashi in these texts. In addition, now I wish to to submit additional references from the Vamana purana (5. 29 - 43), where Pulastya told Narada about the fixed Nakshatras included in each of the Rashis such as Mesha thereby proclaiming that the Rashis are Sidereal and not Tropical. Had the scholars like Dixit read the Upanishads they would have fdefinitely ound that in the Chandogya Upanishad (7. 1 - 3) Narada told Sanatkumara that he knew the Nakshatra Vidya (Astronomy) and the Rashi Vidya (Astrology).

 

In the Bhagavad Gita Lord Krishna told Arjuna that among the month He is the Margashirsha. In the Vamana Purana the sage Sanatkumara tells about the Lunar months corresponding to the Sun's position in different Rashis thereby showing that sidereal Soli-Lunar calendar is the real Vedic calendar. He says how the lunar month Margashirsha is related to the Sun's position in the Vrscika Rashi.

 

vÄkÄraṃ nÄbhisaṃyuktaṃ sthitastatra tu vṛścikaḥ | mÄso mÄrgaÅ›iro nÄma tvaṣṭamaṃ patrakaṃ smá¹›tam || 35.61 ||

 

In the Vedic time the seasons were also recognised as Lord Krishna tells Arjuna in the Bhagavad Gita that among the Ritus he is the Kusumakara, ie. the Vasanta Ritu. Vasanta Ritu includes the seasonal months of Madhu and Madhava. These seasonal months were required for the purpose of agriculture as well as for the seasonal festivals and they go on changing their occurrences in the Nakashatras due to precession of the Earth.

 

I have submitted to you in this as well as in the earlier mails that the Rashis are there in the ancient Vedic literature and that these have not been imported from the Babylonia as David Pingree and subsequently the many other ill-informed persons would like you to believe. Secondly the Vedic calendar is Sidereal and not Tropical and the Tropical months are recognised but their positions with respect to the fixed Nakshatras will go on changing due to the Precession of the earth.

 

Regards,

 

Sunil K. BHattacharjya

 

 

 

--- On Sun, 6/14/09, Avtar <Avtar wrote:

Avtar <Avtar[Abhinavagupta] FW: References of Rashis in the Vedaas and the Vedanga Jyotisha.abhinavagupta Date: Sunday, June 14, 2009, 2:30 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

jyotirved [jyotirved@ sify.com] Sunday, June 14, 2009 2:55 PM'uswassan 'Cc: 'subash razdan'; 'soham '; 'hinducalendar'; 'hinducivilization'; 'usbrahmins'; 'indian_astrology_ group_daily_ digest@grou ps.com'; 'indiaarchaeology'References of Rashis in the Vedaas and the Vedanga Jyotisha.

 

 

 

 

 

Shri Ujjagar Singh Wassanji,

Namaskar!

Shri Subhash Razdan has sent me copy of your following message, “May be somebody should compile all the contemporary comments and have a discussion at meeting. It is too important a topic to let it go waste. Interested please cooperateâ€.

 

Since I have d from WAVES-Vedic, I am unable to post any comment on that forum. However, I am sure you have heard the famous saying, “all that glitters is not goldâ€. All I can say is that Vedic mantras are being twisted to prove the existence of non-existent Mesha, Vrisha etc. Rashis in the Vedas which would put to shame even Satan himself. To say that Agastya is known as Kumbhaja because he was born in so called Kumbha Rashi is the real joke of the last several millennia! Similarly, if someone says, “It is evident that the scholars like S.B.Dixit, T.S.Kupunna Sastry, Meghnad Saha, S.K.Chatterjee and A.K. Bag had unfortunately not read the Bhagavata purana and the Vedas and therefore they have not seen the references to the Rashis in these texts. Their knowledge of the ancient Indian chronology was also limited to that of the Max Mullerian chronology†he is again making such insinuations that can be digested only by “Vedic astrologers†and their clans, since none of them has read any of the works by Dixit of Sastry etc. himself! To impute ignorance of knowledge of puranas to all these scholars shows the intentions of “Vedic astrologersâ€---they are none too honest! Talking of Rashis in the Bhagavata and other Puranas it has been discussed by me thoroughly in one of the posts (BVB6.doc) several times on the WAVES and other forums! It is actually a copy of a letter that was sent to all the branches of Bharatiya Vidya Bhvan several years back! The rashis that we come across in Puranas and sidhantas etc. are actually so called Sayana i.e. if at all there has to be a Makar Sankranti, it has to be the day of Uttarayana and so on! But then that is an anathema to “Vedic astrologers†since their bread and butter depends only on proving that Makar Sanrkanti is on January14/15 and so on. I was actually myself under the same delusion for a considerable time that the real Vamadevas had nothing else to do except prepare horoscopes of every Tom, Dick and Harry from so called nirayana Rashis and their “owners†like inanimate planets like Mangal, Shani etc. But thanks to the real Vedic rishis, I woke to the situation and repudiated all the claims of “Vedic astrologers†that there are Rashis in the Vedas. Now they have devised devious ways of interpreting Vedic mantras in a manner that suits their fancy! Majority of Hindus being “scholars†of “Vedic astrology†instead of the Vedas fall easily hook, line and sinker for these ploys of “Vedic jyotishisâ€. In any case, a thorough discussion on the points raised by Shri Bhattacharjya is going on in several other forums like abhinavagupta, vedic-reserach_ institute, indiaarchaeology etc. I have also started, several years back, a forum http://groups. / group/HinduCalen dar for streamlining the Hindu calendar. Posts to that forum are not moderated. If you so desire, you are welcome to join that forum. I am sending you an invitation for the same separately. With regards, A K Kaul http://groups. / group/WAVES- Vedic/pending? view=1 & msg=5285 -----Inline Message Follows-----

 

 

 

 

Dear Veda Interested Audience

 

May be somebody should compile all the contemporary comments and have a discussion at meeting. It is too important a topic to let it go waste. Interested please cooperate. Best wishes.

 

Ujjagar Singh Wassan--- On Thu, 6/11/09, Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @> wrote:

 

Sunil Bhattacharjya <sunil_bhattacharjya @>[WAVES-Vedic] Re: [Abhinavagupta] References of Rashis in the Vedaas and the Vedanga Jyotisha?AbhinavaguptaCc: ancient_indian_ astrology, , vedic astrology, vedic_research_ institute, indiaarchaeology, , USBrahmins@gro ups.com, waves-vedicThursday, June 11, 2009, 1:37 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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The Rashis are mentioned in the Vedas and Vedanga Jyotisha as shown in my earlier mail. Rashis are also given in the Bhagavata Purana. As the Vedic verses are cryptic in nature everybody may not be able to understand these verses and this was deliberately made so such