[VRI] Meshadi abnd Makaradi in 11th century India.

[Guest guest]

Shri A.K.kaulji,

 

Quote

 

<Each ritu comprehends two solar months, i.e. the period of the sun's marching

through two consecutive zodiacal signs.

read this 1000 times till ur budhi is stable ,what is zodiacal signs ???is it

not rasi ???>

 

Unquote

 

You have to read what Nairji said, a million times. Rashis are linked to the

fixed Nakshatras and they belong to the Sidereal calender. See Vamana Purana and

you will know. In that sentence Nairji was mentioning the Tropical Zodiac as the

seasons are related only to the Tropical Zodiac. Avtarji ! It is shocking to

see that you have such poor ability of comprehension.

 

Nairji may like to reply to the rest of the points himself. 

 

Dhanyavad,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 6/15/09, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote:

 

 

jyotirved <jyotirved

[VRI] Meshadi abnd Makaradi in 11th century India.

hinducivilization

Cc: hinducalendar

Monday, June 15, 2009, 2:37 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Shri Sunil Nair ji,

Namaskar!

 

Thank you for the feedback.

<Each ritu comprehends two solar months, i.e. the period of the sun's marching

through two consecutive zodiacal signs.

read this 1000 times till ur budhi is stable ,what is zodiacal signs ???is it

not rasi ???>

Alberuni visited India in 11th century and recorded faithfully as to what he

gathered from his interaction with the Hindus.

Rashis came to India after the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha, and that was

most probably in about second century BC or so, i.e., much earlier than

Aleberuni’s visit to India.  Those rashis were/are so called sayana. 

Those very so called sayana rashis were faithfully reproduced by all the Puranas

like Bhagawata, Vishnudharmotara, Shiva Purana etc. etc. especially the Vishnu

Purana of Parashara Rishi, second amsha, eighth adhyaya.  That means that if at

all there is any truth in the so called Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, by

Parashara Rishi, which is actually a concoction of the worst order, that truth

is that predictive gimmicks have to take into account so called sayana and not

nirayana rashis!  All those rashis in the Puranas are, as such, later

interpolations.  This will be evident from Vishnudharmotarapur ana, that has

reproduced the planetary arguments of Brahma Sphuta Sidhanta of Brahma Gupta

without bating an eyelid!  Similarly, Narada Purana the bible of " Vedic

astrologers " has copied without any compunction even the interpolated shlokas of

Ayanamsha from the Surya Sidhanta and incorporated them in Narada Purana!  To

crown it all, " Nara Muni " has made

that ayanamsha equal to Lahiri Ayanamsha, more or less, by such a jugglery

which would put to shame even the devil himself.

Such an act was not expected at least from Narada Muni! 

We have similar atrocities in Agni Purana!

But then, it is jyotishis who are doing all these mischief!

All these facts about Sayana rashis etc. have been culled in BVB6.doc, which is

available in files section.

Shaivacharya Abhinavagupta, the world famous Tantracharya of Kashmir, of tenth

century AD,  has also talked of nothing but Sayana Rashis in his Tantraloka. 

Those references also are in the BVB6.doc

The so called nirayana rashichakra is a much later development in India, and it

came into full vogue after Grahalaghava by Ganesha Daivajnya.  The word

Ayanamsha was coined for the first time by Munjala --- around tenth century

AD---but that was in an entirely different sense to what the jyotishis are doing

these days!  Munjala had advised that in order to make the calculated results

tally exactly with the visible phenomena, we must add an Ayanamsha of one arc

minute per year from Shaka 444 to the calculated longitudes of the Surya

Sidhanta etc. That means he wanted to change so called nirayana into so called

sayana.  But Ganesha Daivajnya put the cart before the horse and advised to do

exactly opposite to the same, i.e. change so called sayana into nirayana!

No Indian astronomer had any idea about precession of equinoxes at least till

about fifteenth century AD.

< what happened to ur vedick calender ??? which U promised u will show to this

grp ??>

A list of correct dates of festivals for 2009-10 is already available in the

files section.  Tithi, Karna, Vara remain the same, in the so called nirayana

and the so called sayana. There is, however, a lot of confusion about junction

stars vis-a-vis 27 nakshatras, each being of 13.3333 degrees.  Those junction

stars cannot be accommodated in the respective divisions whatever ayanamsha we

may use.  Ayanamsha, in the sense it is being used these days, itself is yet

another myth, created by jyotishis and that is why they are never able to

determine the actual date " when the two zodiacs coincided " .  Zodiac being an

imaginary belt, it should not have been difficult for jyotishis to make them

meet on any imaginary day or time they want to.

Thus we can see that Alberuni has recorded only the facts i.e. Meshadi was the

day of Vernal Equinox –around March 21 these days---as against the whimsical

and farcical April 14/15  of “Vedic astrologersâ€, which has absolutely no

geographical or scriptural sanction!  Similarly, Makaradi, the world famous

Makara Sankranti, was the day of Winter Solstice, i.e. the day of Uttarayana,

which is around December 21 these days, instead of January 14/15, another

whimsical date fixed by “Vedic astrologers’ without any rhyme or reason,

just to misguide the Hindu community as a whole!

<but not meghastanse a greek ambassodor who wrote the text  indica  BC 350

(approx )>

Would you pl. enlighten me as to what Meghasthanese has said, quoting the full

text, without any additions/alteratio ns.

Dhanyavad.

A K Kaul

 

hinducivilization, " sunil  nair " <astro_tellerkerala@

....> wrote:

>  

>

>

>   Al beruni acharya is is more learned than Varahamihira the charlattan

> frm greece ,he might hav stayed in india how long ?? but ppl like u who

> crossed  a century in astrology  still depending on his version but not

> meghastanse a greek ambassodor who wrote the text  indica  BC 350 (

> approx )

>

>

> Each ritu comprehends two solar months, i.e. the period of the sun's

> marching through two consecutive zodiacal signs.

>

> read this 1000 times till ur budhi is stable ,what is zodiacal signs ???

> is it not rasi ???

>

> what happened to ur vedick calender ??? which U promised u will show to

> this grp ??

>

> u talk to me only tru showing of ur calender tru this grp ?? when u strt

> showing ur mathematicaly impossible calender   i can answer u

>

> That time this ritu specified by alberuni arbab of u shud b there in ur

> calender .

>

> till then  good bye

>

>

> hinducivilization, " jyotirved " <jyotirved@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> >                                     356

> >

> >

> >

> >                         CHAPTER XXXVII

> > As the year is one revolution of the sun in tbe ecliptic, it is

> dividpd in

> > he Same way as the ec:iptic. The latter is divided into two halves,

> > depending upon the two solstititial points. Correspondingly the year

> is

> > divided into two halves, each of which is called Ayana

> >

> > When the sun leaves the point of the winter solstice, he begins to

> move

> > towards the north pole. Therefore this part of the year, which is

> nearly

> > one half, is referred to the north a.nd called nttardvana, i.e. the

> period

> > of the sun's marching through six zodiacal signs beginning with Capo'.

> In

> > consequence, this half of the ecliptic is called makaradi, i.e. having

> caper

> > as beginning.

> >

> > I'hen the SUN leaves the point of the summer solstice he begins to

> move

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Shri A.K.kaulji,

 

Quote

 

<Each ritu comprehends two solar months, i.e. the period of the sun's marching through two consecutive zodiacal signs.

read this 1000 times till ur budhi is stable ,what is zodiacal signs ???is it not rasi ???>

 

Unquote

 

You have to read what Nairji said, a million times. Rashis are linked to the fixed Nakshatras and they belong to the Sidereal calender. See Vamana Purana and you will know. In that sentence Nairji was mentioning the Tropical Zodiac as the seasons are related only to the Tropical Zodiac. Avtarji ! It is shocking to see that you have such poor ability of comprehension.

 

Nairji may like to reply to the rest of the points himself.

Dhanyavad,

 

Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

 

 

 

 

--- On Mon, 6/15/09, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote:

jyotirved <jyotirved[VRI] Meshadi abnd Makaradi in 11th century India.hinducivilization Cc: hinducalendar Date: Monday, June 15, 2009, 2:37 AM

 

 

 

 

Shri Sunil Nair ji,

Namaskar!

 

Thank you for the feedback.

<Each ritu comprehends two solar months, i.e. the period of the sun's marching through two consecutive zodiacal signs.

read this 1000 times till ur budhi is stable ,what is zodiacal signs ???is it not rasi ???>

Alberuni visited India in 11th century and recorded faithfully as to what he gathered from his interaction with the Hindus.

Rashis came to India after the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha, and that was most probably in about second century BC or so, i.e., much earlier than Aleberuni’s visit to India. Those rashis were/are so called sayana. Those very so called sayana rashis were faithfully reproduced by all the Puranas like Bhagawata, Vishnudharmotara, Shiva Purana etc. etc. especially the Vishnu Purana of Parashara Rishi, second amsha, eighth adhyaya. That means that if at all there is any truth in the so called Brihat Parashara Hora Shastra, by Parashara Rishi, which is actually a concoction of the worst order, that truth is that predictive gimmicks have to take into account so called sayana and not nirayana rashis! All those rashis in the Puranas are, as such, later interpolations. This will be evident from Vishnudharmotarapur ana, that has reproduced the planetary arguments of Brahma Sphuta Sidhanta of Brahma Gupta without bating an eyelid! Similarly, Narada Purana the bible of "Vedic astrologers" has copied without any compunction even the interpolated shlokas of Ayanamsha from the Surya Sidhanta and incorporated them in Narada Purana!

To crown it all, "Nara Muni" has made that ayanamsha equal to Lahiri Ayanamsha, more or less, by such a jugglery which would put to shame even the devil himself.

Such an act was not expected at least from Narada Muni! We have similar atrocities in Agni Purana!

But then, it is jyotishis who are doing all these mischief!

All these facts about Sayana rashis etc. have been culled in BVB6.doc, which is available in files section.

Shaivacharya Abhinavagupta, the world famous Tantracharya of Kashmir, of tenth century AD, has also talked of nothing but Sayana Rashis in his Tantraloka. Those references also are in the BVB6.doc

The so called nirayana rashichakra is a much later development in India, and it came into full vogue after Grahalaghava by Ganesha Daivajnya. The word Ayanamsha was coined for the first time by Munjala --- around tenth century AD---but that was in an entirely different sense to what the jyotishis are doing these days! Munjala had advised that in order to make the calculated results tally exactly with the visible phenomena, we must add an Ayanamsha of one arc minute per year from Shaka 444 to the calculated longitudes of the Surya Sidhanta etc. That means he wanted to change so called nirayana into so called sayana. But Ganesha Daivajnya put the cart before the horse and advised to do exactly opposite to the same, i.e. change so called sayana into nirayana!

No Indian astronomer had any idea about precession of equinoxes at least till about fifteenth century AD.

< what happened to ur vedick calender ??? which U promised u will show to this grp ??>

A list of correct dates of festivals for 2009-10 is already available in the files section. Tithi, Karna, Vara remain the same, in the so called nirayana and the so called sayana. There is, however, a lot of confusion about junction stars vis-a-vis 27 nakshatras, each being of 13.3333 degrees. Those junction stars cannot be accommodated in the respective divisions whatever ayanamsha we may use. Ayanamsha, in the sense it is being used these days, itself is yet another myth, created by jyotishis and that is why they are never able to determine the actual date "when the two zodiacs coincided". Zodiac being an imaginary belt, it should not have been difficult for jyotishis to make them meet on any imaginary day or time they want to.

Thus we can see that Alberuni has recorded only the facts i.e. Meshadi was the day of Vernal Equinox –around March 21 these days---as against the whimsical and farcical April 14/15 of “Vedic astrologersâ€, which has absolutely no geographical or scriptural sanction! Similarly, Makaradi, the world famous Makara Sankranti, was the day of Winter Solstice, i.e. the day of Uttarayana, which is around December 21 these days, instead of January 14/15, another whimsical date fixed by “Vedic astrologers’ without any rhyme or reason, just to misguide the Hindu community as a whole!

<but not meghastanse a greek ambassodor who wrote the text indica BC 350 (approx )>

Would you pl. enlighten me as to what Meghasthanese has said, quoting the full text, without any additions/alteratio ns.

Dhanyavad.

A K Kaul

 

hinducivilization, "sunil nair" <astro_tellerkerala@ ...> wrote:

>

> > > Al beruni acharya is is more learned than Varahamihira the charlattan > frm greece ,he might hav stayed in india how long ?? but ppl like u who

> crossed a century in astrology still depending on his version but not

> meghastanse a greek ambassodor who wrote the text indica BC 350 (

> approx )

> > > Each ritu comprehends two solar months, i.e. the period of the sun's

> marching through two consecutive zodiacal signs.

> > read this 1000 times till ur budhi is stable ,what is zodiacal signs ???

> is it not rasi ???

> > what happened to ur vedick calender ??? which U promised u will show to

> this grp ??

> > u talk to me only tru showing of ur calender tru this grp ?? when u strt

> showing ur mathematicaly impossible calender i can answer u

> > That time this ritu specified by alberuni arbab of u shud b there in ur

> calender .

> > till then good bye

> > > hinducivilization, "jyotirved" <jyotirved@>

> wrote:

> >

> >

> >

> > 356

> >

> >

> >

> > CHAPTER XXXVII

> > As the year is one revolution of the sun in tbe ecliptic, it is

> dividpd in

> > he Same way as the ec:iptic. The latter is divided into two halves,

> > depending upon the two solstititial points. Correspondingly the year

> is

> > divided into two halves, each of which is called Ayana

> >

> > When the sun leaves the point of the winter solstice, he begins to

> move

> > towards the north pole. Therefore this part of the year, which is > nearly

> > one half, is referred to the north a.nd called nttardvana, i.e. the

> period

> > of the sun's marching through six zodiacal signs beginning with Capo'.

> In

> > consequence, this half of the ecliptic is called makaradi, i.e. having

> caper

> > as beginning.

> >

> > I'hen the SUN leaves the point of the summer solstice he begins to

> move

[Guest guest]

You need to see what type Rashis are written in Bhagvata Puran.

 

Go and see and let all ppl know abt it

 

otherwise again third party will come and refute it like verses you produced and

third person came and he refuted it

 

/////////////////In that sentence Nairji was mentioning the Tropical Zodiac as

the seasons are related only to the Tropical Zodiac. Avtarji !

//////////////////

 

Read this again

 

 

 

, Sunil Bhattacharjya

<sunil_bhattacharjya wrote:

>

> Shri A.K.kaulji,

>  

> Quote

>  

> <Each ritu comprehends two solar months, i.e. the period of the sun's marching

through two consecutive zodiacal signs.

> read this 1000 times till ur budhi is stable ,what is zodiacal signs ???is it

not rasi ???>

>  

> Unquote

>  

> You have to read what Nairji said, a million times. Rashis are linked to the

fixed Nakshatras and they belong to the Sidereal calender. See Vamana Purana and

you will know. In that sentence Nairji was mentioning the Tropical Zodiac as the

seasons are related only to the Tropical Zodiac. Avtarji ! It is shocking to

see that you have such poor ability of comprehension.

>  

> Nairji may like to reply to the rest of the points himself. 

>  

> Dhanyavad,

>  

> Sunil K. Bhattacharjya

>  

>  

>  

>  

>

> --- On Mon, 6/15/09, jyotirved <jyotirved wrote:

>

>

> jyotirved <jyotirved

> [VRI] Meshadi abnd Makaradi in 11th century India.

> hinducivilization

> Cc: hinducalendar

> Monday, June 15, 2009, 2:37 AM

>

>

>

>

Shri Sunil Nair ji,

> Namaskar!

>  

> Thank you for the feedback.

> <Each ritu comprehends two solar months, i.e. the period of the sun's marching

through two consecutive zodiacal signs.

> read this 1000 times till ur budhi is stable ,what is zodiacal signs ???is it

not rasi ???>

> Alberuni visited India in 11th century and recorded faithfully as to what he

gathered from his interaction with the Hindus.

> Rashis came to India after the Surya Sidhanta of Maya the mlechha, and that

was most probably in about second century BC or so, i.e., much earlier than

Aleberuni’s visit to India.  Those rashis were/are so called sayana. 

> Those very so called sayana rashis were faithfully reproduced by all the

Puranas like Bhagawata, Vishnudharmotara, Shiva Purana etc. etc. especially the

Vishnu Purana of Parashara Rishi, second amsha, eighth adhyaya.  That means

that if at all there is any truth in the so called Brihat Parashara Hora

Shastra, by Parashara Rishi, which is actually a concoction of the worst order,

that truth is that predictive gimmicks have to take into account so called

sayana and not nirayana rashis!  All those rashis in the Puranas are, as such,

later interpolations.  This will be evident from Vishnudharmotarapur ana, that

has reproduced the planetary arguments of Brahma Sphuta Sidhanta of Brahma Gupta

without bating an eyelid!  Similarly, Narada Purana the bible of " Vedic

astrologers " has copied without any compunction even the interpolated shlokas of

Ayanamsha from the Surya Sidhanta and incorporated them in Narada Purana!  To

crown it all, " Nara Muni " has made

> that ayanamsha equal to Lahiri Ayanamsha, more or less, by such a jugglery

which would put to shame even the devil himself.

> Such an act was not expected at least from Narada Muni! 

> We have similar atrocities in Agni Purana!

> But then, it is jyotishis who are doing all these mischief!

> All these facts about Sayana rashis etc. have been culled in BVB6.doc, which

is available in files section.

> Shaivacharya Abhinavagupta, the world famous Tantracharya of Kashmir, of tenth

century AD,  has also talked of nothing but Sayana Rashis in his Tantraloka. 

Those references also are in the BVB6.doc

> The so called nirayana rashichakra is a much later development in India, and

it came into full vogue after Grahalaghava by Ganesha Daivajnya.  The word

Ayanamsha was coined for the first time by Munjala --- around tenth century

AD---but that was in an entirely different sense to what the jyotishis are doing

these days!  Munjala had advised that in order to make the calculated results

tally exactly with the visible phenomena, we must add an Ayanamsha of one arc

minute per year from Shaka 444 to the calculated longitudes of the Surya

Sidhanta etc. That means he wanted to change so called nirayana into so called

sayana.  But Ganesha Daivajnya put the cart before the horse and advised to do

exactly opposite to the same, i.e. change so called sayana into nirayana!

> No Indian astronomer had any idea about precession of equinoxes at least till

about fifteenth century AD.

> < what happened to ur vedick calender ??? which U promised u will show to this

grp ??>

> A list of correct dates of festivals for 2009-10 is already available in the

files section.  Tithi, Karna, Vara remain the same, in the so called nirayana

and the so called sayana. There is, however, a lot of confusion about junction

stars vis-a-vis 27 nakshatras, each being of 13.3333 degrees.  Those junction

stars cannot be accommodated in the respective divisions whatever ayanamsha we

may use.  Ayanamsha, in the sense it is being used these days, itself is yet

another myth, created by jyotishis and that is why they are never able to

determine the actual date " when the two zodiacs coincided " .  Zodiac being an

imaginary belt, it should not have been difficult for jyotishis to make them

meet on any imaginary day or time they want to.

> Thus we can see that Alberuni has recorded only the facts i.e. Meshadi was the

day of Vernal Equinox †" around March 21 these days---as against the whimsical

and farcical April 14/15  of “Vedic astrologersâ€, which has absolutely no

geographical or scriptural sanction!  Similarly, Makaradi, the world famous

Makara Sankranti, was the day of Winter Solstice, i.e. the day of Uttarayana,

which is around December 21 these days, instead of January 14/15, another

whimsical date fixed by “Vedic astrologers’ without any rhyme or reason,

just to misguide the Hindu community as a whole!

> <but not meghastanse a greek ambassodor who wrote the text  indica  BC 350

(approx )>

> Would you pl. enlighten me as to what Meghasthanese has said, quoting the full

text, without any additions/alteratio ns.

> Dhanyavad.

> A K Kaul

>  

> hinducivilization, " sunil  nair "

<astro_tellerkerala@ ...> wrote:

> >  

> >

> >

> >   Al beruni acharya is is more learned than Varahamihira the charlattan

> > frm greece ,he might hav stayed in india how long ?? but ppl like u who

> > crossed  a century in astrology  still depending on his version but not

> > meghastanse a greek ambassodor who wrote the text  indica  BC 350 (

> > approx )

> >

> >

> > Each ritu comprehends two solar months, i.e. the period of the sun's

> > marching through two consecutive zodiacal signs.

> >

> > read this 1000 times till ur budhi is stable ,what is zodiacal signs ???

> > is it not rasi ???

> >

> > what happened to ur vedick calender ??? which U promised u will show to

> > this grp ??

> >

> > u talk to me only tru showing of ur calender tru this grp ?? when u strt

> > showing ur mathematicaly impossible calender   i can answer u

> >

> > That time this ritu specified by alberuni arbab of u shud b there in ur

> > calender .

> >

> > till then  good bye

> >

> >

> > hinducivilization, " jyotirved " <jyotirved@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >                                    

356

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >                         CHAPTER XXXVII

> > > As the year is one revolution of the sun in tbe ecliptic, it is

> > dividpd in

> > > he Same way as the ec:iptic. The latter is divided into two halves,

> > > depending upon the two solstititial points. Correspondingly the year

> > is

> > > divided into two halves, each of which is called Ayana

> > >

> > > When the sun leaves the point of the winter solstice, he begins to

> > move

> > > towards the north pole. Therefore this part of the year, which is

> > nearly

> > > one half, is referred to the north a.nd called nttardvana, i.e. the

> > period

> > > of the sun's marching through six zodiacal signs beginning with Capo'.

> > In

> > > consequence, this half of the ecliptic is called makaradi, i.e. having

> > caper

> > > as beginning.

> > >

> > > I'hen the SUN leaves the point of the summer solstice he begins to

> > move

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>